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[00:30:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:30:56] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[00:31:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:05] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[00:31:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:07] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[00:31:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:09] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[00:31:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:12] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[00:31:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:14] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[00:31:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:17] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[00:31:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:25] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[00:31:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:27] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[00:31:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:30] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[00:31:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:32] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[00:31:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:34] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[00:31:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:37] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[00:31:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:39] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[00:31:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:42] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[00:31:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:44] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[00:31:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:46] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[00:31:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:49] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[00:31:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:51] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[00:31:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:53] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[00:31:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:56] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[00:31:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:31:58] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[00:31:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:00] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[00:32:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:03] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[00:32:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:05] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[00:32:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:07] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[00:32:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:09] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[00:32:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:12] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[00:32:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:14] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[00:32:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:17] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[00:32:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:19] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[00:32:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:21] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:32:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:23] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[00:32:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:26] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[00:32:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:34] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[00:32:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:40] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[00:32:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:43] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[00:32:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:45] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[00:32:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:47] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[00:32:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:49] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[00:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:52] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[00:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:54] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[00:32:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:56] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[00:32:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:58] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[00:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:01] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[00:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:03] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[00:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:05] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[00:33:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:07] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[00:33:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:09] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[00:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:12] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[00:33:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:14] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[00:33:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:16] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[00:33:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:18] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[00:33:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:21] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[00:33:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:23] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[00:33:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:25] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[00:33:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:27] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[00:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:35] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[00:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:37] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[00:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:40] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[00:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:42] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[00:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:44] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[00:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:46] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[00:33:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:49] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[00:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:51] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[00:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:53] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[00:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:56] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[00:34:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:04] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[00:34:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:07] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[00:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:09] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[00:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:11] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[00:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:13] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[00:34:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:16] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[00:34:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:18] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[00:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:20] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[00:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:22] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[00:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:25] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[00:34:26] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:27] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[00:34:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:29] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[00:34:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:31] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[00:34:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:34] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[00:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:36] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[00:34:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:38] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[00:34:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:40] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[00:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:43] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[00:34:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:45] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[00:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:47] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[00:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:49] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[00:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:52] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[00:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:54] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[00:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:56] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[00:34:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:58] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[00:35:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:00] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[00:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:03] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[00:35:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:05] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[00:35:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:14] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[00:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:16] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[00:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:19] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[00:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:21] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[00:35:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:23] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[00:35:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:25] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[00:35:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:28] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[00:35:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:30] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[00:35:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:32] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[00:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:34] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[00:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:37] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[00:35:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:39] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[00:35:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:41] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[00:35:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:44] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[00:35:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:46] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[00:35:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:48] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[00:35:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:50] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[00:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:52] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[00:35:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:55] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[00:35:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:57] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[00:35:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:35:59] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[00:36:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:01] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[00:36:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:04] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[00:36:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:06] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[00:36:15] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Snotnose [1623] 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:16] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[00:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:18] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[00:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:20] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[00:36:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:23] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[00:36:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:25] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[00:36:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:27] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[00:36:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:29] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[00:36:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:31] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[00:36:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:34] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[00:36:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:36] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[00:36:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:38] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[00:36:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:40] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[00:36:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:42] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[00:36:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:45] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:36:46] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03cockroach [2266] 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:47] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[00:36:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:49] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[00:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:51] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[00:36:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:53] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[00:36:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:56] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[00:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:58] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[00:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:00] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:02] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[00:37:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:05] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[00:37:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:07] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[00:37:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:09] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[00:37:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:11] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[00:37:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:13] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[00:37:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:16] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[00:37:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:18] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[00:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:20] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[00:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:22] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[00:37:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:24] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[00:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:27] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[00:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:29] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[00:37:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:31] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[00:37:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:33] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[00:37:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:35] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[00:37:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:38] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[00:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:40] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[00:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:42] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[00:37:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:44] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[00:37:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:47] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[00:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:49] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[00:37:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:51] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[00:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:53] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[00:37:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:55] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[00:37:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:37:58] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[00:37:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:00] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[00:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:02] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[00:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:04] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[00:38:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:07] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[00:38:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:09] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[00:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:11] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[00:38:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:13] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[00:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:16] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[00:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:18] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[00:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:20] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[00:38:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:22] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[00:38:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:24] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[00:38:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:27] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[00:38:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:29] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[00:38:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:31] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[00:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:33] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[00:38:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:35] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[00:38:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:38] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[00:38:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:40] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[00:38:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:42] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[00:38:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:44] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[00:38:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:46] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[00:38:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:49] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[00:38:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:51] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[00:39:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:00] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[00:39:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:03] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[00:39:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:05] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[00:39:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:07] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[00:39:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:09] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[00:39:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:11] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[00:39:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:14] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[00:39:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:16] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[00:39:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:18] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[00:39:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:20] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[00:39:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:22] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[00:39:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:25] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[00:39:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:27] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[00:39:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:29] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[00:39:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:31] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[00:39:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:34] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[00:39:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:36] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[00:39:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:38] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[00:39:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:40] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[00:39:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:43] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[00:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:45] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[00:39:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:48] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[00:39:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:51] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[00:39:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:54] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[00:39:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:56] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[00:39:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:39:58] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[00:39:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:00] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[00:40:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:03] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[00:40:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:05] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[00:40:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:07] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[00:40:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:09] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[00:40:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:11] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[00:40:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:14] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[00:40:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:16] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[00:40:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:18] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[00:40:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:20] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[00:40:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:22] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[00:40:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:25] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[00:40:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:27] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[00:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:29] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[00:40:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:31] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[00:40:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:33] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[00:40:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:36] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[00:40:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:38] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[00:40:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:40] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[00:40:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:42] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[00:40:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:45] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[00:40:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:47] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[00:40:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:49] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[00:40:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:51] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[00:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:54] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[00:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:56] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[00:40:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:40:58] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[00:40:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:00] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[00:41:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:03] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[00:41:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:05] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[00:41:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:07] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[00:41:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:09] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[00:41:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:12] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[00:41:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:14] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[00:41:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:16] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[00:41:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:18] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[00:41:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:20] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[00:41:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:23] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[00:41:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:25] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[00:41:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:27] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[00:41:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:29] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[00:41:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:32] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[00:41:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:34] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[00:41:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:36] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[00:41:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:38] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[00:41:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:40] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[00:41:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:43] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[00:41:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:51] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[00:41:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:53] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[00:41:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:56] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[00:41:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:41:58] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[00:41:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:00] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[00:42:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:02] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[00:42:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:04] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[00:42:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:07] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[00:42:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:09] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[00:42:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:11] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[00:42:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:13] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[00:42:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:15] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[00:42:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:18] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[00:42:27] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Entropy [4228] 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:28] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[00:42:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:30] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[00:42:32] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:33] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[00:42:34] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:35] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[00:42:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:37] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[00:42:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:39] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[00:42:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:41] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[00:42:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:44] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[00:42:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:46] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[00:42:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:48] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[00:42:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:50] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[00:42:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:52] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[00:42:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:55] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[00:42:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:57] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[00:42:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:59] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[00:43:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:01] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[00:43:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:03] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[00:43:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:06] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[00:43:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:08] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[00:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:10] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[00:43:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:13] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[00:43:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:15] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[00:43:16] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Wootery [2341] 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:17] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[00:43:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:19] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[00:43:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:21] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[00:43:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:24] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[00:43:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:26] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[00:43:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:28] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[00:43:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:30] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[00:43:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:33] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[00:43:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:35] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[00:43:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:37] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[00:43:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:39] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[00:43:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:41] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[00:43:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:44] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[00:43:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:46] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[00:43:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:48] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[00:43:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:50] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[00:43:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:52] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[00:43:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:55] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[00:43:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:57] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[00:43:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:43:59] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[00:44:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:01] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[00:44:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:03] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[00:44:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:06] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[00:44:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:08] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[00:44:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:10] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[00:44:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:12] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[00:44:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:14] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[00:44:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:17] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[00:44:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:19] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[00:44:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:21] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[00:44:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:23] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[00:44:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:26] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[00:44:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:28] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[00:44:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:30] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[00:44:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:32] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[00:44:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:34] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[00:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:37] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[00:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:39] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[00:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:41] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[00:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:43] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[00:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:45] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[00:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:47] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[00:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:50] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[00:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:52] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[00:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:54] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[00:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:57] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[00:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:59] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[00:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:01] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[00:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:03] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[00:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:05] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[00:45:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:08] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[00:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:10] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[00:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:12] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[00:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:14] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[00:45:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:16] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[00:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:19] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[00:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:21] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[00:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:23] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[00:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:25] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[00:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:28] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[00:45:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:30] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[00:45:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:32] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[00:45:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:34] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[00:45:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:36] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[00:45:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:39] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[00:45:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:41] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[00:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:43] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[00:45:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:45] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[00:45:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:47] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[00:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:50] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[00:45:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:52] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[00:45:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:54] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[00:45:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:56] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[00:45:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:58] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[00:46:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:01] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[00:46:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:03] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[00:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:05] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[00:46:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:07] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[00:46:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:17] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[00:46:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:19] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[00:46:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Spam) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:21] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[00:46:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:23] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[00:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:25] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[00:46:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:28] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[00:46:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:30] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[00:46:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:32] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[00:46:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:34] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[00:46:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:37] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[00:46:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:39] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[00:46:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:41] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[00:46:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:43] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[00:46:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:46] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[00:46:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:48] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[00:46:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:50] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[00:46:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:52] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[00:46:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:54] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[00:46:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:57] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[00:46:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:46:59] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[00:47:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:01] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[00:47:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:03] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[00:47:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:06] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[00:47:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:08] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[00:47:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:10] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[00:47:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:12] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[00:47:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:14] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[00:47:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:17] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[00:47:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:19] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[00:47:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:21] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[00:47:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:23] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[00:47:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:25] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[00:47:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:28] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[00:47:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:30] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[00:47:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:32] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[00:47:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:34] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[00:47:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:37] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[00:47:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:39] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[00:47:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:42] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[00:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:44] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[00:47:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:46] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[00:47:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:48] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[00:47:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:51] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[00:47:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:53] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[00:47:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:55] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[00:47:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:47:57] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[00:48:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:06] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[00:48:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:08] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[00:48:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:10] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[00:48:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:12] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[00:48:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:15] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[00:48:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:17] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[00:48:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:19] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[00:48:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:21] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[00:48:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:23] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[00:48:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:26] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[00:48:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:28] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[00:48:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:30] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[00:48:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:32] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[00:48:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:34] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[00:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:37] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[00:48:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:39] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[00:48:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:49] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[00:48:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:52] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[00:48:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:54] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[00:48:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:56] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[00:48:57] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03BK [4868] 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:48:58] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[00:49:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:01] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[00:49:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:03] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[00:49:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:05] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[00:49:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:07] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[00:49:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:09] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[00:49:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:12] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[00:49:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:14] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[00:49:15] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03jmorris [4844] 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:16] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[00:49:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:18] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[00:49:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:20] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[00:49:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:23] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[00:49:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:25] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
[00:49:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:27] <exec> 08└─I actually sort of agree with you -- not necessarily that this article shouldn't be here at all (I personally find it interesting), but stuff like this with no tech/science angle at all perhaps should be flagged somehow. This one could probably fall under "politics," since it's pretty clear this was...
[00:49:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:29] <exec> 08└─You are correct. The North had much more industry, much more population, and more food production. The South's only hope was to have the war end quickly, preferably with the support of a foreign power like Britain. The Northern naval blockade prevented that.
[00:49:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:32] <exec> 08└─Robert E. Lee was not a bad general. That much is certain regardless of what this historian wrote. He was more than competent. He did make some mistakes on occasion, such as at the Battle of Gettysburg, which was turned out to be the turning point in the war. But when you consider that he was fighti...
[00:49:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:34] <exec> 08└─Probably should reevaluate Lincoln's decision making as well. Lincoln was dumb enough that he actually wanted Lee to head up the union army.
[00:49:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:36] <exec> 08└─That being said, I don't know much about combat history, but removing statues is bullshit.
[00:49:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:38] <exec> 08└─Not only that, but I think there's different degrees here. For instance, should a statue of General Lee, installed not long after the Civil War by defeated Confederates be removed? Now, should an obelisk built in 1891 to honor a white supremacist group who fought against integration in the New Orlea...
[00:49:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:41] <exec> 08└─I think a good compromise would be to ship all those disgruntled slaves' descendants to Los Angeles and San Francisco with plenty of downtown properties converted to affordable housing for them -- calling it "reparations." It's a win-win situation that also preserves American history.
[00:49:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:43] <exec> 08└─Oh, in addition: I agree that keeping that symbol of injustice seems bad, however how about this suggestion: if the anti-statue-removal people don't want Lee's statue removed, how about if we put statues of Grant and Lincoln right next to it? Would they be in favor of that, or against? Then the desc...
[00:49:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:45] <exec> 08└─Paid for primarily with extra taxes on the southern colonies, right?
[00:49:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:47] <exec> 08└─"oakgrove has 0 submissions" Huh! oakgrove submits nothing, but complains when others do!?! What. A. Surprise.
[00:49:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 734 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:49] <exec> 08└─This happens a lot because the further out you get from a historical event or a person's lifetime, the less control there is over what you dig up. New letters surface and people are willing to say things about dictators that weren't safe to say while the tyrant was in control of the country. But, af...
[00:49:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:52] <exec> 08└─No, what are you, racist or something? Refugees Welcome, as some people like to say.
[00:49:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:54] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. That sounds awfully like political correctness to me. Did your account get hacked?
[00:49:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:56] <exec> 08└─It lost! Get over it!
[00:49:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:49:58] <exec> 08└─right next to it, and bigger and much more prominent roo, perhaps looking down with a look of pity mixed with scorn as well. Especially Sherman.
[00:49:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:00] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but let's remember also the huge symbolism that Arlington National Cemetery is... it was Robt E Lee's estate before the Civil War..
[00:50:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:03] <exec> 08└─Also, Bamiyan statues need to be removed for they stand for the glory of infidels and non-believers who. thankfully, we have stoned to death long time ago. All praise the almighty Allah!
[00:50:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:05] <exec> 08└─Tech nexus, politics nexus, general/other nexus? Start using nexus' more so those who want to see certain stuff can opt in or out of categories. Maybe make tech the "default" nexus with others hidden so we don't have to have crybabies whining in every political/non-tech article and let the those tha...
[00:50:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:07] <exec> 08└─So did American Indians. Yet I'm sure you're not snidely saying the same thing to them, dickhead.
[00:50:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:09] <exec> 08└─Lee and most Confederate Generals apparently thought that they were still going up against swordsmen or smooth-bore muskets in the 1860s. The rifled firearms and minnie balls of the era could cut a force to pieces at a range of hundreds of yards--not to mention grapeshot and cannister rounds from ar...
[00:50:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:12] <exec> 08└─No, it's not. It should have been done a long, long time ago.
[00:50:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:14] <exec> 08└─James Burke [google.com] should have been writing those History books. Howard Zinn [google.com] is another guy who -did- write History books--and didn't just repeat the White-people-are-awesome myths. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:50:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:16] <exec> 08└─You don't even need to say "broadly". The Civil War was about which commanders could best use technology. They mostly did a shit job, choosing attrition. Lee, in particular. See my comment #524126 [soylentnews.org]. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:50:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:18] <exec> 08└─>But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job" The allegation in the actual article was that Lee was a failed strategist, and it's hard to disagree given the strategic choices laid out (namely making it an offensive war). Tactically yes, Lee was good; there was a reaso...
[00:50:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:20] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad idea at all. Sort of reminds me of the Confederate memorial on Martha's Vineyard. "WHAT?!" you say, "Another confederate memorial in Massachusetts? I thought Charlie Baker wanted to tear down the "only one" [bostonmagazine.com]." Nope. There's a much more interesting confederate mem...
[00:50:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:23] <exec> 08└─In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!
[00:50:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:25] <exec> 08└─Sometimes, great men are forced to make decisions that they don't like. Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his home state. Big difference there. Of course, today's politically correct crowd are incapable of distinguishing the difference. Another great man who should be honored, but is not,...
[00:50:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:27] <exec> 08└─Agreed. I never heard of those insurrectionists, until recently. They mean nothing to me, and I can't even be assed to do the minimal research that might make them mean something. Trash the obelisk, I don't care. No one outside of New Orleans - certainly no one outside Louisiana cares about it.
[00:50:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:29] <exec> 08└─Tell you what, I'll put up a statue of Grant next to Lee's if you put a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Lincoln Memorial. Deal?
[00:50:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:32] <exec> 08└─Has no one ever informed you that it was YOUR FAULT that you never studied recent American history? For my part, we, as a class, never really studied WWII. I, personally, devoted uncounted hours to studying Hitler, the Third Reich, the officers, and the Holocaust, BEFORE I graduated from high school...
[00:50:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:34] <exec> 08└─Another great man who should be honored, but is not, is Erwin Rommel. Rommel was among the most honorable men in Germany
[00:50:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:36] <exec> 08└─What I meant by "technical" there wasn't necessarily technology, but I guess something more like "academic" or "nerdy" rather than articles just on random pop culture topics or recipes for souffle (unless the souffle article details the science behind them or something).
[00:50:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:38] <exec> 08└─Let me add a little to your perspective. The Grand Old Army, that is the Union Army, was infested with incompetent officers who were appointed for political reasons, and due to family connections, when the war began. Incompetent fools were dismissed and replaced repeatedly for the first couple years...
[00:50:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:40] <exec> 08└─Thank you for that. I've heard of Mackensen, but know almost nothing about him. I had never heard of this monument before. My studies have been from the Anglo point of view, most of the time. There was a time, when good officers were taught to respect the enemy. If the enemy could make you bleed, he...
[00:50:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:43] <exec> 08└─My post is much like your own: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] Grant was pretty damned good, but without Sherman, Grant's efforts would have been much more costly to the North.
[00:50:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:45] <exec> 08└─LoL, nice to know that the "obama was just as bad" concept isn't anything new. Lincoln was to Lee as Obama is to Trump? We can only hope that this generation's flaming bigot falls even harder.
[00:50:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:47] <exec> 08└─What we choose to honor and given public space speaks a lot about our culture. Move these statues to the local museum of shame. "Look kids, here are some of our bigger fuck ups, please learn from their mistakes."
[00:50:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:49] <exec> 08└─Pickett's Charge was just stupid. Frontal assaults on dug-in troops in 1863 was suicide.[1] Lee telling Pickett to have his division cross hundreds of yards of of open ground wasn't tactically or strategically[2] smart.
[00:50:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:52] <exec> 08└─His statue is a symbol of everything the South stood for, including slavery.
[00:50:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:54] <exec> 08└─Lee was exactly the sort of general the South wanted. The whole Southern Gentleman propaganda pushed for an aggressive style of war. They wanted not just to win the war, but to win it in a very manly way with glorious victory after glorious victory. Stupid, but then, it was stupid to have started th...
[00:50:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:56] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid, by 1914 the generals STILL hadn't figured out that it was stupid and now there were MACHINE GUNS. As long as commanders were actually -leading- their forces, the stupidity had a natural limiting factor. (The stupid commanders were killed in battle.) The...
[00:50:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:50:58] <exec> 08└─Well, you got 2 of the words right. G.A.R. == Grand Army of the Republic -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:50:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:01] <exec> 08└─http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/040218.html [genealogytoday.com] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] "The "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR) was a fraternal organization composed of veterans of the Union Army" Please don't confuse a fraternity with the...
[00:51:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:03] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid
[00:51:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:05] <exec> 08└─Lee wouldn't have been a tyrant at any point so that restriction doesn't apply. And after the war, perhaps former Confederate sources might be circumspect due to social pressures, but Union ones wouldn't be so affected. It appears that there was a great deal of respect on the Union side for the man...
[00:51:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:07] <exec> 08└─Welp, jmorris can't possibly disagree with you on everything. It's natural bias for him to sound more reasonable when he agrees with you than when he disagrees.
[00:51:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:09] <exec> 08└─Wikipedia is a genuine wonder of the world when it comes to stuff like this. It's by necessity a bit superficial, but can quickly tell you who did what, even bit players. This can lead to the discovery of connections that normal discourse on history tends to gloss over. For example, one of the most...
[00:51:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:12] <exec> 08└─Germany lost WWI and beating them up for it didn't work out so well. So there was a do over called WWII. This rewriting of history to feel better is not a smart move. It's kind of like asking for a ham fisted do over on the reconciliation that made a United States after the civil war. PC is not alwa...
[00:51:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:14] <exec> 08└─The problem with a policy of censorship because they're not progressive enough is there is no logical limit. We'll have to bulldoze over the washington monument because he owned slaves, and nuke the city of Rome from orbit just to be sure because the Roman Empire was rather problematic. We gotta bul...
[00:51:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:16] <exec> 08└─And most history should be like that, less focused on Great Men
[00:51:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:18] <exec> 08└─I'm tolerable good at analogies. I'll try to squirt out two good ones. This is similar to endless Monday morning quarterbacking about how "640K should be enough for anyone" and all that crap. I was THERE in the old days and a lot of stuff didn't last very long so planning for the future was really s...
[00:51:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:20] <exec> 08└─Your comment is underrated in that it was a confusing era to live thru and a bit of hero worship of Lee was important to healing the military, post war. Before the war the army was one big happy family, right? Then for a couple years a family feud. Then in theory one big happy family again. Thats go...
[00:51:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:23] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[00:51:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:25] <exec> 08└─People are already trying to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson and other prominent figures that weren't on the side of the Confederacy or even involved in the Civil War. It's only a matter of time before the only thing people are taught about US history is that old white men are bad.
[00:51:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:27] <exec> 08└─He doesn't have a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because he was the greatest general ever. He has a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because "fuck you, you goddamn yankees!"
[00:51:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:29] <exec> 08└─I've got a different idea for a compromise. Get all those people who still support the "Southern Culture" of the antebellum US South. That is gather all the people together that support keeping and creating statues celebrating a culture that enslaves humans beings, a culture that believed in enslavi...
[00:51:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:31] <exec> 08└─Plus, Lincoln told England that if they didn't stop trading with the south he would consider that an act of war. It could have been a different outcome if England had said piss off and continued supplying the south. What was Lincoln going to do, fight two wars at the same time?
[00:51:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:33] <exec> 08└─Why should a traitor get a statue in the nation's capital? Honestly, I think the Union did the wrong thing by re-admitting the Southern states. They should have remained occupied territory, with their citizens always kept as second-class citizens. If they still haven't figured out after over 150 yea...
[00:51:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:36] <exec> 08└─I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, though I don't claim to be a military historian, so I'm not really going to weigh in on the details. My objection was primarily with the overall tone of the article (specifically its headline and conclusion). Yes, a lot of the concerns about strategy in...
[00:51:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:38] <exec> 08└─I submitted it weeks ago on a slow news day. Many american geeks like to obsess about two wars, WWII and the American Civil War. I thought the SN crowd might enjoy responding to the article's premise.
[00:51:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:40] <exec> 08└─Yep, 'cause not celebrating someone is the exact same thing as systematically removing him from the history books.
[00:51:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:42] <exec> 08└─Give them time...
[00:51:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:45] <exec> 08└─Actually, from a liberal perspective it is more important to leave the history intact so that people can learn from their mistakes. But hey, I'm responding to VLM so this is all gibberish apparently.
[00:51:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:47] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[00:51:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:49] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the statue of Benjamin Franklin Butler.
[00:51:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:51] <exec> 08└─You been snorting crack again?
[00:51:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:54] <exec> 08└─You know, it's amazing. There were two Buddha statues in Afghanistan, a pair of twin Buddha statues. And in New York City, there were the two twin towers of the World Trade Center. And both sets were destroyed by Islam, by radical Islam. Mullah Omar said no, don't blow up the statues. But the radica...
[00:51:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:56] <exec> 08└─You know, Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee. And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew J...
[00:51:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:51:58] <exec> 08└─This right here. He held his own very well and gave more than he got against an in all ways superior force that was being woefully mismanaged. The problem the Lincoln administration had was the Army he inherited was a political thing not a fighting force. That took time to fix. Ironically, Lee was o...
[00:51:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:00] <exec> 08└─History is what people repeat about the past - not an accurate, complete, nor unbiased account of anything. BTW, this story seems to be rebel-baiting.
[00:52:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:02] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[00:52:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:10] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[00:52:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:13] <exec> 08└─The dd utility is part of any respectable *NIX distribution and first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. https://www.freebsd.org(1) [freebsd.org] http://man7.org [man7.org] That said, it is not unheard of to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's...
[00:52:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:15] <exec> 08└─it was mentioned that dd (sometimes referred to as Data Dump), an app that comes with pretty much every Linux distro,
[00:52:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:17] <exec> 08└─Mint users are pretty much Windows users, never mind that Mint as a distro is bug-ridden gobshite and I have no idea how it got hyped to the point it did. Still, they need tools that are easy-to-understand if not one-click solutions. Not fifty-million goddamn options that 99% of people don't even us...
[00:52:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:19] <exec> 08└─I miss reading those Microsoft help websites where MS techs only give you notebook scripted answers instead of getting to a solution. Q: "My mouse won't work" A: :First run your antivirus, then check for updates, then restart your PC, and if that doesn't fix it reinstall Windows.
[00:52:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:21] <exec> 08└─Your Mint experience is nothing like mine. I have been using Mint for about 2 years and have never had a problem, with the notable exception of a Bluetooth mouse that stopped working. I think I started with version 17.0 and have just upgraded every time a new release happened, so I must be on 18.1 n...
[00:52:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:23] <exec> 08└─You'd think that a bootable USB image of Linux would Just Work nowadays, nope! Still gotta fuck with options when writing the image , then again fuck with boot options to get it to boot.
[00:52:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:26] <exec> 08└─+1 positive mint experience. Mint was my introduction to Linux as a desktop OS. Coming from Windows, Cinnamon was a very comfortable DTE and matching shortcuts for things like minimising/maximising was nice when doing the boring day to day desktop stuff: browsing the internet, reading email, typing...
[00:52:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:28] <exec> 08└─Clem's response to Kim, linked as tools [linuxmint.com] says simply extract the img image from the ZIP and then right-click it and select "Make bootable USB stick"
[00:52:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:30] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[00:52:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:32] <exec> 08└─OK. dd is an internal command, not a separate executable file. So, "app" isn't the ideal word; "command" would have been better. There's no requirement for the guy who compiled -your- kernel to include it, so there's a possibility that it's not there to be run. There are a scad of interpretations/ex...
[00:52:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:34] <exec> 08└─On my Linux system, dd is an executable file. Specifically, /bin/dd Or has systemd managed to screw even that up?
[00:52:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:37] <exec> 08└─Hmmm, yeah. There that sucker is. That would seem to strike 1 of the sighs. (It's still possible to omit it.) ...as well as the assertion of another commenter about its app-ness. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:52:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:39] <exec> 08└─You're tiresome.
[00:52:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:41] <exec> 08└─It comes with proprietary software out of the box (not limited to firmware) and its repositories don't separate free software from proprietary. Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[00:52:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:44] <exec> 08└─...to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's configuration utility. This was very common in the days DOS was still around,..
[00:52:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:46] <exec> 08└─Garmin GPS - Windows only for updates. Canon scanner - Windows only software (slide scanning) Mac support, sometimes. Linux, sadly, an afterthought. We are after all, only 2% of the world 'market', but we are the 2% what make it happen and who know stuff. 98% sheep don't make it the right technology...
[00:52:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:48] <exec> 08└─dd has nothing to do with the kernel, so whoever did what when building the kernel is irrelevant. Under GNU/Linux distributions, it's in the coreutils package.
[00:52:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:50] <exec> 08└─Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[00:52:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:53] <exec> 08└─Not always. When I needed to update the BIOS on my Pentium 4 motherboard, I got a DOS executable. I downloaded a floppy image of OpenDOS, which worked fine for the job.
[00:52:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:55] <exec> 08└─The only Windows-only tool that is mentioned in the article is the tool Win32DiskImager. I never before even heard of that tool, but yet it is very obvious what it is used for: To make a bootable USB stick from the disk image provided. Now obviously for a computer marketed specifically for Linux, it...
[00:52:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:57] <exec> 08└─I agree that "command" would have been a more appropriate word, but for different reasons. As others noted, dd is indeed an executable file. However in my book an app (or application) is a program which is controlled through its UI (doesn't need to be a GUI; the point is that you first start the pro...
[00:52:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:52:59] <exec> 08└─But when the doggie-doo hits the BIOS fan, they only have one tool in their toolbox.
[00:53:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zyx Abacab [3701] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:01] <exec> 08└─If systemd's `rm -r .*` walks up the entire filesystem-hierarchy, you can fully expect systemd's `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3` to nuke all your hard disks, flash drives, blank DVDs, network shares, and brain-cells. That behaviour is just an ordinary UNIX pitfall, no? [github.com]
[00:53:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 634 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:04] <exec> 08└─I really do not know how much manufacturers use Windows bios update tools; I do not use Windows much. If I had to implement something of the sort, FreeDOS is likely what I would use as well. That said, the procedures referred to above seem to call for Win32 Disk Imager, a utility built for Windows...
[00:53:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:06] <exec> 08└─Nothing that a 8G USB stick won't fix.
[00:53:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:08] <exec> 08└─cannot be used easily from a desktop environment Your exception actually means that a commandline invoked executable are very easy to use from a desktop environment, with the commandline switches it is in fact often easier than hunting through ever increasing levels of menus with a mouse. This is es...
[00:53:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:10] <exec> 08└─*sh are not terminals, but shells. Terminals (or rather, terminal emulators) are xterm, konsole and Gnome-Terminal. And no, I don't consider running commands from a terminal window as "running from a desktop environment". The terminal runs on the desktop environment. The command runs on the terminal...
[00:53:19] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 476 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:20] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians - perhaps even those mentioned in the three combined stories - were so quick to recognize (possible) mistakes and were s...
[00:53:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 2023 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:22] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable "Trump Derangement Syndrome" victimposting combined with a bit of humor. I mean, for any random comment in three stories couldn't it appear in the other two almost unchanged? Colo had something insightful on that...
[00:53:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:24] <exec> 08└─I submitted the thing about the UK elections - I was surprised no one else had as it has been quite a big thing in the UK. I was a bit cheesed off that it got lumped in with the FBI stuff, but figured it was just a bad judgement. No problem. Thanks for the apology.
[00:53:25] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 189 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:26] <exec> 08└─That's a man's admission, not a boy's... MartyB, you're all right, you are... it takes guts to do this. You did and you learned from it. Please continue your contributions, they are valued!
[00:53:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:29] <exec> 08└─Kill yourself now.
[00:53:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:31] <exec> 08└─His Words: "Brexit is coming."
[00:53:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:33] <exec> 08└─Amid all this hoopla, Puerto Rico is voting today (Sunday 6/11/17) on whether to seek full statehood. http://www.npr.org [npr.org] You would think, with all the press, they would be trying to...
[00:53:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:35] <exec> 08└─it has been quite a big thing in the UK
[00:53:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:37] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt, well, hope all you want its free... Also for practical political reasons the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state. I'm not seeing them admitted any time soon.
[00:53:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:40] <exec> 08└─As punishment I suggest Marty B be sent to Washing D.C. to serve in the senate as an actual senator. Lecturing to psychopaths will get you nowhere. I'm disappointed. I thought everybody knew that by now. Don't bother 'lecturing' these people. You have to vote them out. It's the only way.
[00:53:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:42] <exec> 08└─"On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable" Yes, thanks to partisan posters like yourself, who can't comprehend someone with a different opinion. Funny that one of the worst offenders with Hillary/Obama/Comey derangement syndrome pointing this out.
[00:53:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:44] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[00:53:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:46] <exec> 08└─... you'll be first up against the wall. But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers.
[00:53:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:49] <exec> 08└─As i said in my editor's note... There will be a proper UK election story soon, there has been a lot of coverage in the online editorial form, but very little in the way of actual confirmed details of the results... What was confirmed, the 'confidence and supply deal' with the DUP was retracted. The...
[00:53:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:51] <exec> 08└─Well now we know MDC is a UEL. United Empire Loyalist. Relocate to Canada while your Queen has a few years of life still in her.
[00:53:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:54] <exec> 08└─Been following it fairly closely. May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result. May and her party, the conservatives*, had a decent majority. *Think old school Republican's At this point Corbyn, the leader of the Labour* party, was (quite liter...
[00:53:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:56] <exec> 08└─Probably because you are too connected to US space? The two stories are different by implications.
[00:53:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:53:58] <exec> 08└─No hard feelings either.
[00:53:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:00] <exec> 08└─only one Politics story per day
[00:54:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:03] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt
[00:54:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:05] <exec> 08└─This bullshit apology story just ate the Politics quota for today? If martyb weren't a complete utter disingenuous cunt, he would have put this shit under Meta where it belongs. What a fucking cunt.
[00:54:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:07] <exec> 08└─There is no hard limit, but we do try to maintain a focus on technology and science. In my opinion there is such a wide intersection where politics meets science and technology. Your submitted story is a good example of this. We should have some focus on political stories that actually have some wid...
[00:54:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:09] <exec> 08└─I decided to leave it in Politics. The reason for this is... If you have Politics unchecked in your preferences, then you would not have seen the original story anyway so it's irrelevant to your use of the site. If you're an AC then it doesn't matter either, as you can't set preferences. I could hav...
[00:54:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:12] <exec> 08└─Don't we have the nexus so people can avoid Politics if they wish?
[00:54:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:14] <exec> 08└─Keep up the good work Marty and everyone else. Yeah, I know... ass-hat will come along now and say something unkind.
[00:54:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:16] <exec> 08└─Agreed, if you're going to open your borders to packs of wild animals, then you might as well admit those wild animals who have decent music and rum and love bikes and guns. That being said, we should be the ones offering to pay other nations to take Puerto Rico from us.
[00:54:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:18] <exec> 08└─Says the boy who never made a mistake, ever.
[00:54:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:21] <exec> 08└─> Coverage has been very ... muted. Gee, I wonder where you get your international news? Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet (NE USA), and even more after midnight when that FM station switches over to the BBC World Service. I often play this BBC news on the clock radio sleep timer...
[00:54:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03woodcruft [6528] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:23] <exec> 08└─Although it's appreciated. I guess the audience for this site is largely from IT but it doesn't mean we have no interest in other matters and on occasion you get times when a pile of say important political events happen, like recently. In the past year we have seen a number of seismic political e...
[00:54:24] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 101 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:25] <exec> 08└─May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result.
[00:54:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:27] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[00:54:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:29] <exec> 08└─I 2nd this. MartyB, you contribute so much to this website, and through it, us, that I can only thank you for posting what you feel is important. As always I have the power to skim past it; but I'd rather it be there in the 1st place, giving me that option. Thank you!
[00:54:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Empyrean [5241] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:32] <exec> 08└─No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians...
[00:54:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:34] <exec> 08└─Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet Pacifica Radio in SoCal for the previous week (and more). [archive.li] (orig; Will age rapidly) [kpfk.org] Scroll to Friday June 9 and the 2 hosts (Brad and Suzi) who made the effort to type in some comments show evidence of their coverage. Other...
[00:54:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:36] <exec> 08└─One "Oh shit" wipes out a thousand Attaboys. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[00:54:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:38] <exec> 08└─I don't see what all the fuss was about. It's an interesting thought, and I'm glad martyb tried it--lumping the political stories of the day into one. I'm not convinced it's wrong. There is a real dilemma we have here, of scope and identity. I expect some difficulty as we figure it out. More importa...
[00:54:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:40] <exec> 08└─the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state.
[00:54:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:43] <exec> 08└─I completely concur. Of course, there is also the minor matter of the requisite accompanying penalty [youtube.com].
[00:54:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:45] <exec> 08└─Agreed. It's good to change behavior but it takes balls to admit you were wrong. Thanks for all your work martyb!
[00:54:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:47] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time."
[00:54:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:49] <exec> 08└─The only major opponent to the Conservatives and analogous to the Democrats.
[00:54:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:51] <exec> 08└─In politics they have a word for the honesty and intellectual maturity to admit a mistake: "weakness".
[00:54:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:54] <exec> 08└─Don't sweat it, martyb. You work hard for the community. Folks who criticized it could mix their feedback with pitching in a bit. Many hands make for light work, but also in an all volunteer effort like this it separates productive feedback from deleterious carping. Or they could ignore the Politics...
[00:54:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:56] <exec> 08└─muted in a relative sense. news.google.com shows exactly one story about the current UK situation on the right side "Britain's PM May to face her party amid post-election tumult - Reuters Staff" Meanwhile there's about two dozen Trump Derangement Syndrome rants, two Apple posts one about WWDC last w...
[00:54:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:58] <exec> 08└─The Left-right dichotomy is completely worthless, especially now, in defining American politics. The two parties have the exact same policies but with different target audiences. It is particularly ridiculous now since the Republicans just elected a hard core liberal democrat to president, and the o...
[00:54:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:00] <exec> 08└─First, you need to drain the swamp, don't you?
[00:55:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:02] <exec> 08└─But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers. Namespace Pollution: If you use the word "conservative" in a political thread about UK and US politics at the same time, what do you actually mean?
[00:55:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:05] <exec> 08└─I am a cunt, martyb is an honorable gentleman. Hmmm...is that a UK cunt, or a US one?
[00:55:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:13] <exec> 08└─... it says grant winners
[00:55:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:16] <exec> 08└─> before election: I will defend French interests in Europe, The World, And This Quadrant Of The Galaxy > after election: yo, señorita, want a grant?
[00:55:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:18] <exec> 08└─Maricón has already imported thousands of foreign scientists. [express.co.uk]
[00:55:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:20] <exec> 08└─Is he offering a reduction in terrorism-related loss of limbs/property insurance? That would surely make moving to France less problematic.
[00:55:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:22] <exec> 08└─Statistically you are more likely to kill yourself, deliberately, than to be killed by a terrorist.
[00:55:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:24] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case. More's the pity.
[00:55:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:27] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case.
[00:55:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:30] <exec> 08└─"I also married my molester"
[00:55:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:33] <exec> 08└─It might well be in France's interest to have the world's top scientists there.
[00:55:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:35] <exec> 08└─It looks like France has decided to compete with Canada, then. The Canadian government has also told scientists they are welcome. And maybe we'll both be competing with California.
[00:55:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:37] <exec> 08└─Make America Great Again is a rediculus slogan because the past was less great than the present for a lot of people, including non-whites and women. That criticism also applies to Macaroni's version.
[00:55:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:39] <exec> 08└─You're more likely to commit suicide(19.5/100000) than to be killed by a drunk driver(5/100000)...does that mean drunk driving isn't a big deal too?
[00:55:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03fierce [4087] (Score: 1) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:41] <exec> 08└─Obviously the parent poster was refering to killing yourself by accident.
[00:55:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:43] <exec> 08└─Yes, under the ideal and unrealistic condition that they have no ties with country of origin. How easy it is to force a scientist to pass classified data to his country of origin where his family lives? Do you recall the intranet hacking Chinese interns of some time ago?
[00:55:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 469 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:46] <exec> 08└─MAGA is a problem because the cows have escaped. If America got selfish around the Clinton era, they would have pushed the rest of the world in the second world or less. But America and URSS are globalists' inventions like China and Africa. The pattern you will recognize in all of those places is th...
[00:55:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:48] <exec> 08└─Oh shit, the American scientists might tell America how to fight climate change! The horror!
[00:55:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:55:50] <exec> 08└─The research gets done, and we save a lot of money on the research.
[00:56:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:01] <exec> 08└─Fake news arose as soon as trump entered the scene. Coincidence? I think not. Donald is tweeting at 3AM for one reason only. He stays up and writes all of the fake news you see.
[00:56:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:03] <exec> 08└─Fake news pointed out those other evil Fake news supported by alternative facts. But be assured, I can now announce: Reality is over. You can relax!
[00:56:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Disagree) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:05] <exec> 08└─The average human is as dumb as a pile of bricks, and roughly half of humans are even dumber than that. That is why democracy is a terrible idea; it gives equal voices to unequal people. Capitalism is the only real solution: The weight of a person's "vote" depends on how productive that person's pre...
[00:56:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:07] <exec> 08└─Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right? It always surprises me that people who argue for exclusion always argue from the point of view that /they/ will remain in the group of the powerful. They never seem to grasp that -looking back at our history- it will backfire and they...
[00:56:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:09] <exec> 08└─Try again.
[00:56:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:11] <exec> 08└─You're confusing an industrial era financing technology arguably past its prime with a political system. You're better off with a nice monarchy, neoreactionary style. Like the brits but with teeth.
[00:56:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:14] <exec> 08└─the US science community
[00:56:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:16] <exec> 08└─How does a monarchy have anything to do with ensuring that future decisions are likely made by people who have had a history of making profitable decisions? Indeed, a monarchy (especially one with "teeth") is based on the principle of coercion, rather than on voluntary agreement in advance of intera...
[00:56:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 692 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:18] <exec> 08└─I can't believe there's so much disinformation out there against climate change! Don't these people know that there's already scientific consensus? As we all know, once a bunch of scientists agree on something, it's fact and you can't argue anymore. So if Al Gore tells us that the polar ice caps are...
[00:56:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:20] <exec> 08└─Hmm, informal list of attributes the king should have: PhilosopherHealing hands (this one is important! you have to have healing hands to be king, you know)In-depth knowledge of swallows
[00:56:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:23] <exec> 08└─The average human USian is as dumb as a pile of bricks
[00:56:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:25] <exec> 08└─Bullshit. Stupidity is universal. Just look at the political turmoil in the EU as one example.
[00:56:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 333 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:27] <exec> 08└─Exactly! I propose an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We should take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer should have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs or a two-thirds...
[00:56:29] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03VLM [445] 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 156 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:30] <exec> 08└─How does a monarchy have anything to do with ensuring that future decisions are likely made by people who have had a history of making profitable decisions?
[00:56:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 727 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:32] <exec> 08└─Pffff. Children with a limited grasp of History are a real scream. When Roger Ailes founded Fox so-called News in 1996, he had a vision of it becoming the propaganda arm of the Republican Party. (Glad he's dead. Wish it had happened in 1966 when he was still a flunky for the Mike Douglas chat show....
[00:56:33] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03julian [6003] 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 1449 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:34] <exec> 08└─None of this bullshit propaganda would have worked if people hadn't been primed for it. The Right has spent the last several decades nurturing a culture of illiteracy and skepticism of the utility of science itself among their base. These chickens are finally coming home and we see the complete coll...
[00:56:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:36] <exec> 08└─Not sure why someone troll modded you on this one...it probably hit a little too close to home. I only see one party here with guys spewing apocalyptic shit about how God will fix this if it's meant to get fixed etc. I mean ffs already.
[00:56:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:38] <exec> 08└─> Capitalism is the only real solution We should first implement it, to test your assertion. The problem being, as soon as a player in the free market gets strong enough, wants the freedom to end, and succeeds.
[00:56:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:41] <exec> 08└─We have the ability to reorganize our economy and our civilization to fight it.
[00:56:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:43] <exec> 08└─> The Right has spent the last several decades nurturing a culture of illiteracy and skepticism. Probably. Meanwhile the left says exactly the same thing no matter who, where or when. Which means that what they say is self evident truth or groupthink propaganda. Self evident truth means they are nev...
[00:56:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:45] <exec> 08└─... responded by ratcheting up efforts to communicate with the public at the grassroots level as well as in the mainstream press.
[00:56:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aiwendil [531] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:47] <exec> 08└─Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right?
[00:56:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:50] <exec> 08└─Yeah not a lot of liberals in Mother Russia huh?
[00:56:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:52] <exec> 08└─Sorry, bub. When you say that poor peoples' vote shouldn't count, you are making precisely that argument, with the full expectation that you will be on the 'right' side of the line. So, really, you can bugger off!
[00:56:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:54] <exec> 08└─i.e. "We admit that we have lost control over the narrative."
[00:56:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:56] <exec> 08└─Also remember, if not for US occupation, Europe would still be in its continual state of war that goes back thousands of years. Let's not mince meat on who the peacekeepers are.
[00:56:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:56:58] <exec> 08└─Stupidity is universal.
[00:57:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:01] <exec> 08└─The real powers in the government and business outsourced the job to the mob that sent a goon and then the secret part of government took the opportunity to piggyback the a existing shooter to cover it all up? The Warren Commission seems a little too bit similar to the 9/11 Commission.
[00:57:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 589 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:03] <exec> 08└─Your replies are a case in point on the matter of people being unable to scrutinize info! Nobody said anything about who should be allowed to vote; rather, the other AC is simply pointing out the nature of decision-making—why democratic decision-making is ridiculous, and why capitalistic decision-...
[00:57:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Weasley [6421] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:05] <exec> 08└─Capitalism is the only real solution: The weight of a person's "vote" depends on how productive that person's previous "votes" have been.
[00:57:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 365 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:07] <exec> 08└─Mass death on a global scale would be best! Man! Nothing would be better than to be able to prune about 6 billion off the planet. Just keep the Aussies, Canadians (except this time let's grant Quebec its separation) and Americans (well, the better ones anyway) and Germany and Scandinavia... okay, an...
[00:57:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03letssee [2537] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:09] <exec> 08└─Hell yes, capitalism is the way to go! Lets just abandon the idea of democracy altogether and just appoint Donald Trump as dictator for life because he is *rich* so he must be smart. /s
[00:57:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:12] <exec> 08└─That's not capitalism. Fail.
[00:57:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:14] <exec> 08└─Your conception of the left seems to be based on YouTube rage bait videos of idiot college kids embarrassing themselves. I can't take you seriously.
[00:57:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:16] <exec> 08└─Also remember, if not for US occupation, Europe would still be in its continual state of war that goes back thousands of years.
[00:57:17] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03theluggage [1797] 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 72 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:18] <exec> 08└─So if Al Gore tells us that the polar ice caps are going to melt by 2011
[00:57:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 755 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:20] <exec> 08└─Both involve governance on the principle of coercion "Do as I say", rather than on the principle that interaction follows rules to which the parties agree in advance. Indeed, Somalia is the result of a failed communist state, and the warlords that have taken over are just another form of the governm...
[00:57:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:23] <exec> 08└─The Propaganda Wars of the early 21st century marked what many believe to have been the start of the political decay of the United States of American. It would take decades of ineffective governing & infighting, extreme partisanship, and the eventual citizen uprisings, to break through the petty and...
[00:57:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 1462 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:25] <exec> 08└─There's a lot of parties in Sweden that too few people vote for: *SPOILER* (click to show) *SPOILER* (click to hide) De nya svenskarna (DPNS) Direktdemokraterna Djurens parti (DjuP) Djurägarpartiet (Däp) Enhet (ENH) Europeiska arbetarpart...
[00:57:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:27] <exec> 08└─As soon as a player acts in such a fashion, then that is no longer an example of capitalism. If a monopolistic player is so dangerous, then why are you so eager to make government a monopolistic player? It makes no sense!
[00:57:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:29] <exec> 08└─You are confusing two groups: The people who become elite through the "do as I say" coercion of governmentalism.The people who become elite through the "do as we agree" markets of capitalism.
[00:57:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:31] <exec> 08└─Neither "appoint as dictator" nor "rich implies smart" has anything to with what was said about voting, or with capitalism. So... what the hell are you banging on about?
[00:57:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:57:34] <exec> 08└─An entire post of partisan bullshit.
[00:57:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
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[01:31:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:06] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[01:31:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1072 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:08] <exec> 08└─Playing the original Burnout games was a lot of fun, not sure how well they stand up today. Carmageddon and Twisted Metal were some of my favorite games of that era... I think best left to the memories. You could perhaps look into the FlatOut series for that type of thing. In my opinion, the racing/...
[01:31:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:10] <exec> 08└─For a long time, it was absolutely taboo for ads to show the car destroyed, because the viewer has to dream of the pretty shapes, not rationalize the much-touted safety features and resultant mess. I remember hearing when they had one of the first ever human-driven crashes in an ad (note that many s...
[01:31:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:12] <exec> 08└─Trackmania series, for the arcade feel. Dirt (4, rallye) for more realism. Not interested in the list by realistic track racing games, so I can't help you there.
[01:31:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:14] <exec> 08└─Both should be cheap used, and it doesn't require online activation. I personally preferred The Pre-Undercover NFS games (Shift games were alright with a steering wheel, but I was tired of DRM by the time they came out, so I didn't end up buying them. Everybody I know who tried to play them with a c...
[01:31:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:16] <exec> 08└─There was a PS3 racing game, Grid 3 or something. I did everything needed at the first level but didn't have the points to get to the second level. Did everything I could to gain points, could not get enough for level 2. Sold the game, then got it at the library for a week for $0. Same result, can't...
[01:31:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:19] <exec> 08└─There's a new Gran Turismo for PS4 coming out in December.
[01:31:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:27] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[01:31:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:29] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[01:31:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:32] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[01:31:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:34] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[01:31:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:36] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[01:31:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:38] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[01:31:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:41] <exec> 08└─even the easy MIPS stuff
[01:31:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:50] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[01:31:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:52] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[01:31:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:54] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[01:31:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:57] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[01:31:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:31:59] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[01:32:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:01] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[01:32:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:03] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[01:32:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:05] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[01:32:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:08] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[01:32:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:10] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[01:32:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:12] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[01:32:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:14] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[01:32:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:17] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[01:32:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:19] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[01:32:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:21] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[01:32:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:23] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[01:32:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:26] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[01:32:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:28] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[01:32:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:30] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[01:32:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:32] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[01:32:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:35] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[01:32:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:37] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[01:32:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:39] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[01:32:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:41] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[01:32:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:44] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:32:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:46] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[01:32:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:48] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[01:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:50] <exec> 08└─You can make it a hard problem by cutting weight, volume, and power until it stops working. Also to be honest a lot of 70s crashes semi-CFIT they just blamed the hell out of the pilot for being a dumbass. Now a days a dude augers in and cheap cameras everywhere means they play back the video where t...
[01:32:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:52] <exec> 08└─100 $100M planes or 1000 $10M planes the profits the same but pilot survival is higher in the latter.
[01:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:55] <exec> 08└─That was F22, and it ground the whole fleet of them.
[01:33:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:04] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[01:33:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:06] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[01:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:08] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[01:33:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:10] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[01:33:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:13] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[01:33:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:15] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[01:33:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:17] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[01:33:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:19] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[01:33:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:22] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[01:33:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:24] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[01:33:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:26] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[01:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:28] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[01:33:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:31] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[01:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:33] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[01:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:35] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[01:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:37] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[01:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:40] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[01:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:42] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[01:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:44] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[01:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:46] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[01:33:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:49] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[01:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:51] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[01:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:53] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[01:33:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:55] <exec> 08└─And "wingdings" are a problem because...? I might sympatize with an idea than combining characters wasn't as good of an idea as some thought it would be, but this? If you don't need those you just don't use them.
[01:33:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:58] <exec> 08└─I once looked forward to UTF with longing. It would be so great to be able to use "æ" instead of having to cludge "ae" for example. But it's become so overrun with nonsense it almost seems like a bad idea in retrospect. ASCII wasn't perfect but at least we were spared all these wingnuts.
[01:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:00] <exec> 08└─Yeah here's the problem - you can't keep other people from using them. And it opens all kinds of problems. For one big field of examples consider the implications of using these things in filenames. No, a text encoding system needs to encode text. It needs to encode the regular symbols used in writi...
[01:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:08] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[01:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:11] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[01:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:13] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[01:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:15] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[01:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:17] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[01:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:19] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[01:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:22] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[01:34:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:24] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[01:34:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:26] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[01:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:28] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[01:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:37] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[01:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:39] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[01:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:41] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[01:34:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:43] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[01:34:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:46] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[01:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:48] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[01:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:50] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[01:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:52] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[01:34:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:54] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[01:34:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:57] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[01:34:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 5, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:34:59] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[01:35:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:01] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[01:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:03] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[01:35:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:06] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[01:35:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:08] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[01:35:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:10] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[01:35:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:12] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[01:35:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:14] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[01:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:17] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[01:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:19] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[01:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:21] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[01:35:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:23] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[01:35:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:25] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[01:35:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:28] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[01:35:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:30] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[01:35:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:32] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[01:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:34] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[01:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:36] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[01:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:45] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[01:35:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:47] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[01:35:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:50] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[01:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:52] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[01:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:54] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[01:35:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:56] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[01:35:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:58] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[01:36:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:01] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[01:36:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:03] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[01:36:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:05] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[01:36:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:07] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[01:36:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:09] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[01:36:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:12] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[01:36:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:14] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[01:36:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:16] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[01:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:18] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[01:36:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:20] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[01:36:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:23] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[01:36:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:25] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[01:36:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:27] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[01:36:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:29] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[01:36:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:31] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[01:36:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:34] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[01:36:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:36] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[01:36:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:39] <exec> 08└─Your demo fails when you add the PS2 slim and the PS4 pro. The point of the weird monikers is that all XBox "One" should be compatible games-wise. But my mom would get lost and wait for the boys to write down the exact thing needed. Exhibit B: Ask a Spanish speaker (so few of them in the US, right?)...
[01:36:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:49] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[01:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:51] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[01:36:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:54] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[01:36:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:56] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[01:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:58] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[01:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:00] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[01:37:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:02] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[01:37:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:05] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[01:37:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:07] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[01:37:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:09] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[01:37:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:11] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[01:37:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:14] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[01:37:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:16] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[01:37:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:18] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03cockroach [2266] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:20] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[01:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:22] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[01:37:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:24] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[01:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:27] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[01:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:29] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[01:37:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:31] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[01:37:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:33] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:37:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:36] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[01:37:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:38] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[01:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:40] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[01:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:42] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[01:37:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:45] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[01:37:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:47] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[01:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:49] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[01:37:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:51] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[01:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:53] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[01:37:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:55] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[01:37:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:58] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[01:37:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:00] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[01:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:02] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[01:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:04] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[01:38:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:06] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[01:38:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:09] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[01:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:11] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[01:38:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:13] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[01:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:15] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[01:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:18] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[01:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:20] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[01:38:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:22] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[01:38:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:24] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[01:38:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:26] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[01:38:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:29] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[01:38:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:31] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[01:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:33] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[01:38:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:35] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[01:38:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:37] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[01:38:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:39] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[01:38:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:42] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[01:38:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:44] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[01:38:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:46] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[01:38:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:48] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[01:38:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:50] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[01:38:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:53] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[01:38:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:55] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[01:38:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:57] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[01:38:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:38:59] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[01:39:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:02] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[01:39:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:04] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[01:39:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:06] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[01:39:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:08] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[01:39:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:10] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[01:39:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:12] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[01:39:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:15] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[01:39:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:17] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[01:39:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:19] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[01:39:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:21] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[01:39:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:23] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[01:39:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:26] <exec> 08└─Someone who is scared off by an interesting name is probably not the ideal user for Linux. Folks who think that Lubuntu is weird would also think that Ubuntu was weird. Some folks are curious enough to Google that. [google.com] Lubuntu could be thought of as "Light Ubuntu", suitable for older, less...
[01:39:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:28] <exec> 08└─Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[01:39:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:30] <exec> 08└─Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
[01:39:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:32] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[01:39:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:42] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[01:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:44] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[01:39:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:47] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[01:39:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:49] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[01:39:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:51] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[01:39:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:53] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[01:39:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:55] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[01:39:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:39:58] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[01:39:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:00] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[01:40:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:02] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[01:40:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:04] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[01:40:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:06] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[01:40:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:09] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[01:40:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:11] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[01:40:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:13] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[01:40:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:15] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[01:40:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:18] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[01:40:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:20] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[01:40:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:22] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[01:40:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:24] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[01:40:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:26] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[01:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:28] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[01:40:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:31] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[01:40:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:33] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[01:40:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:35] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[01:40:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:37] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[01:40:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:40] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[01:40:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:42] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[01:40:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:44] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[01:40:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:46] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[01:40:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:48] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[01:40:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:51] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[01:40:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:53] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[01:40:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:55] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[01:40:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:57] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[01:40:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:40:59] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[01:41:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:02] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[01:41:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:04] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[01:41:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:06] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[01:41:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:08] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[01:41:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:11] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[01:41:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:13] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[01:41:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:15] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[01:41:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:17] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[01:41:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:19] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[01:41:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:22] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[01:41:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:24] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[01:41:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:26] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[01:41:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:28] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[01:41:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:31] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[01:41:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:33] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[01:41:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:35] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[01:41:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:37] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[01:41:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:39] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[01:41:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:41] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[01:41:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:44] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[01:41:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:46] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[01:41:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:48] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[01:41:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:50] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[01:41:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:53] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[01:41:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:55] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[01:41:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:57] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[01:41:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:41:59] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[01:42:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:01] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[01:42:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:04] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[01:42:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:06] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[01:42:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:08] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[01:42:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:10] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[01:42:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:13] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[01:42:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:15] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[01:42:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:17] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[01:42:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:19] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[01:42:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:21] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[01:42:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:23] <exec> 08└─A few months ago I posted my recipe for Cranberry mead here. I'm still waiting for the other half of the swap.
[01:42:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:32] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[01:42:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:34] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[01:42:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:36] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[01:42:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:39] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[01:42:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:41] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[01:42:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:43] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[01:42:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:45] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[01:42:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:47] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[01:42:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:50] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[01:42:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:52] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[01:42:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:54] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[01:42:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:56] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[01:42:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:58] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[01:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:10] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[01:43:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:12] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[01:43:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:14] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[01:43:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:16] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[01:43:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:18] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[01:43:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:20] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[01:43:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:23] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[01:43:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:25] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[01:43:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:27] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[01:43:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:29] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[01:43:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:32] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[01:43:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:34] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[01:43:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:36] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[01:43:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:38] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[01:43:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:40] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[01:43:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:43] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[01:43:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:45] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[01:43:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:47] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[01:43:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:49] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[01:43:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:51] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[01:43:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:54] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[01:43:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:56] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[01:43:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:43:58] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[01:43:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:00] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[01:44:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:02] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[01:44:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:05] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[01:44:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:07] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[01:44:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:09] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[01:44:10] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03c0lo [156] 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:11] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[01:44:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:13] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[01:44:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:15] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[01:44:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:18] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[01:44:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:20] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[01:44:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:22] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[01:44:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:24] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[01:44:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:26] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[01:44:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:29] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[01:44:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:31] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[01:44:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:33] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[01:44:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:35] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[01:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:37] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[01:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:40] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[01:44:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:42] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[01:44:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:44] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[01:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:46] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[01:44:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:48] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[01:44:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:51] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[01:44:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:53] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[01:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:55] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[01:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:57] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[01:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:59] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[01:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:02] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[01:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:04] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[01:45:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:06] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[01:45:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:08] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[01:45:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:10] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[01:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:13] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[01:45:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:15] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[01:45:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:17] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[01:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:19] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[01:45:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:21] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[01:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:24] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[01:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:26] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[01:45:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:28] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[01:45:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:30] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[01:45:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:32] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[01:45:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:35] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[01:45:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:37] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[01:45:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:39] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[01:45:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:41] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[01:45:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:44] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[01:45:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:46] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[01:45:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:48] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[01:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:50] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[01:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:52] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[01:45:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:55] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[01:45:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:57] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[01:45:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:59] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[01:46:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:01] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[01:46:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:03] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[01:46:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:06] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[01:46:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:08] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[01:46:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:10] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[01:46:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:13] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[01:46:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:15] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[01:46:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:17] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[01:46:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:19] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[01:46:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:21] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[01:46:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:23] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[01:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:26] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[01:46:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:28] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[01:46:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:30] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[01:46:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:32] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[01:46:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:35] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[01:46:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:37] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[01:46:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:39] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[01:46:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:41] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[01:46:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:43] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[01:46:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:46] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[01:46:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:48] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[01:46:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:58] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[01:46:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:00] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[01:47:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:02] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[01:47:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:04] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[01:47:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:06] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[01:47:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:09] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[01:47:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:11] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[01:47:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:13] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[01:47:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:15] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[01:47:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:18] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[01:47:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:20] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[01:47:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:22] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[01:47:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:24] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[01:47:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:26] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[01:47:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:29] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[01:47:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:31] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[01:47:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:33] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[01:47:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:35] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[01:47:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:38] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[01:47:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:40] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[01:47:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:42] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[01:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:44] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[01:47:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:46] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[01:47:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:49] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[01:47:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:51] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[01:47:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:53] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[01:47:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:55] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[01:47:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:47:57] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[01:47:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:00] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[01:48:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:02] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[01:48:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:04] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[01:48:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:06] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[01:48:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:08] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[01:48:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:11] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[01:48:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:13] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[01:48:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:15] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[01:48:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:17] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[01:48:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:20] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[01:48:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:22] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[01:48:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:24] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[01:48:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:26] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[01:48:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:28] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[01:48:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:30] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[01:48:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:33] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[01:48:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:35] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[01:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:37] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[01:48:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:46] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[01:48:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:49] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[01:48:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:51] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[01:48:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:53] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[01:48:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:55] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[01:48:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:58] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[01:48:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:00] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[01:49:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:02] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[01:49:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:04] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[01:49:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:07] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[01:49:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:09] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[01:49:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:11] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[01:49:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:13] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[01:49:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:16] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[01:49:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:18] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[01:49:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:20] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[01:49:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:31] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[01:49:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:33] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[01:49:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:35] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[01:49:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:37] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[01:49:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:40] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[01:49:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:42] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[01:49:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:44] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[01:49:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:46] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[01:49:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:48] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[01:49:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:51] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[01:49:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:53] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[01:49:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:55] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[01:49:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:49:57] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[01:49:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:00] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[01:50:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:02] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[01:50:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:04] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[01:50:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:06] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
[01:50:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:08] <exec> 08└─I actually sort of agree with you -- not necessarily that this article shouldn't be here at all (I personally find it interesting), but stuff like this with no tech/science angle at all perhaps should be flagged somehow. This one could probably fall under "politics," since it's pretty clear this was...
[01:50:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:11] <exec> 08└─You are correct. The North had much more industry, much more population, and more food production. The South's only hope was to have the war end quickly, preferably with the support of a foreign power like Britain. The Northern naval blockade prevented that.
[01:50:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:13] <exec> 08└─Robert E. Lee was not a bad general. That much is certain regardless of what this historian wrote. He was more than competent. He did make some mistakes on occasion, such as at the Battle of Gettysburg, which was turned out to be the turning point in the war. But when you consider that he was fighti...
[01:50:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:15] <exec> 08└─Probably should reevaluate Lincoln's decision making as well. Lincoln was dumb enough that he actually wanted Lee to head up the union army.
[01:50:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:17] <exec> 08└─That being said, I don't know much about combat history, but removing statues is bullshit.
[01:50:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:20] <exec> 08└─Not only that, but I think there's different degrees here. For instance, should a statue of General Lee, installed not long after the Civil War by defeated Confederates be removed? Now, should an obelisk built in 1891 to honor a white supremacist group who fought against integration in the New Orlea...
[01:50:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:22] <exec> 08└─I think a good compromise would be to ship all those disgruntled slaves' descendants to Los Angeles and San Francisco with plenty of downtown properties converted to affordable housing for them -- calling it "reparations." It's a win-win situation that also preserves American history.
[01:50:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:24] <exec> 08└─Oh, in addition: I agree that keeping that symbol of injustice seems bad, however how about this suggestion: if the anti-statue-removal people don't want Lee's statue removed, how about if we put statues of Grant and Lincoln right next to it? Would they be in favor of that, or against? Then the desc...
[01:50:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:26] <exec> 08└─Paid for primarily with extra taxes on the southern colonies, right?
[01:50:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:28] <exec> 08└─"oakgrove has 0 submissions" Huh! oakgrove submits nothing, but complains when others do!?! What. A. Surprise.
[01:50:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 734 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:31] <exec> 08└─This happens a lot because the further out you get from a historical event or a person's lifetime, the less control there is over what you dig up. New letters surface and people are willing to say things about dictators that weren't safe to say while the tyrant was in control of the country. But, af...
[01:50:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:33] <exec> 08└─No, what are you, racist or something? Refugees Welcome, as some people like to say.
[01:50:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:35] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. That sounds awfully like political correctness to me. Did your account get hacked?
[01:50:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:37] <exec> 08└─It lost! Get over it!
[01:50:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:39] <exec> 08└─right next to it, and bigger and much more prominent roo, perhaps looking down with a look of pity mixed with scorn as well. Especially Sherman.
[01:50:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:42] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but let's remember also the huge symbolism that Arlington National Cemetery is... it was Robt E Lee's estate before the Civil War..
[01:50:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:44] <exec> 08└─Also, Bamiyan statues need to be removed for they stand for the glory of infidels and non-believers who. thankfully, we have stoned to death long time ago. All praise the almighty Allah!
[01:50:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:46] <exec> 08└─Tech nexus, politics nexus, general/other nexus? Start using nexus' more so those who want to see certain stuff can opt in or out of categories. Maybe make tech the "default" nexus with others hidden so we don't have to have crybabies whining in every political/non-tech article and let the those tha...
[01:50:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:48] <exec> 08└─So did American Indians. Yet I'm sure you're not snidely saying the same thing to them, dickhead.
[01:50:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:50] <exec> 08└─Lee and most Confederate Generals apparently thought that they were still going up against swordsmen or smooth-bore muskets in the 1860s. The rifled firearms and minnie balls of the era could cut a force to pieces at a range of hundreds of yards--not to mention grapeshot and cannister rounds from ar...
[01:50:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:53] <exec> 08└─No, it's not. It should have been done a long, long time ago.
[01:50:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:55] <exec> 08└─James Burke [google.com] should have been writing those History books. Howard Zinn [google.com] is another guy who -did- write History books--and didn't just repeat the White-people-are-awesome myths. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:50:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:57] <exec> 08└─You don't even need to say "broadly". The Civil War was about which commanders could best use technology. They mostly did a shit job, choosing attrition. Lee, in particular. See my comment #524126 [soylentnews.org]. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:50:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:50:59] <exec> 08└─>But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job" The allegation in the actual article was that Lee was a failed strategist, and it's hard to disagree given the strategic choices laid out (namely making it an offensive war). Tactically yes, Lee was good; there was a reaso...
[01:51:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:01] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad idea at all. Sort of reminds me of the Confederate memorial on Martha's Vineyard. "WHAT?!" you say, "Another confederate memorial in Massachusetts? I thought Charlie Baker wanted to tear down the "only one" [bostonmagazine.com]." Nope. There's a much more interesting confederate mem...
[01:51:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:04] <exec> 08└─In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!
[01:51:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:06] <exec> 08└─Sometimes, great men are forced to make decisions that they don't like. Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his home state. Big difference there. Of course, today's politically correct crowd are incapable of distinguishing the difference. Another great man who should be honored, but is not,...
[01:51:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:08] <exec> 08└─Agreed. I never heard of those insurrectionists, until recently. They mean nothing to me, and I can't even be assed to do the minimal research that might make them mean something. Trash the obelisk, I don't care. No one outside of New Orleans - certainly no one outside Louisiana cares about it.
[01:51:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:10] <exec> 08└─Tell you what, I'll put up a statue of Grant next to Lee's if you put a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Lincoln Memorial. Deal?
[01:51:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:13] <exec> 08└─Has no one ever informed you that it was YOUR FAULT that you never studied recent American history? For my part, we, as a class, never really studied WWII. I, personally, devoted uncounted hours to studying Hitler, the Third Reich, the officers, and the Holocaust, BEFORE I graduated from high school...
[01:51:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:15] <exec> 08└─Another great man who should be honored, but is not, is Erwin Rommel. Rommel was among the most honorable men in Germany
[01:51:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:17] <exec> 08└─What I meant by "technical" there wasn't necessarily technology, but I guess something more like "academic" or "nerdy" rather than articles just on random pop culture topics or recipes for souffle (unless the souffle article details the science behind them or something).
[01:51:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:19] <exec> 08└─Let me add a little to your perspective. The Grand Old Army, that is the Union Army, was infested with incompetent officers who were appointed for political reasons, and due to family connections, when the war began. Incompetent fools were dismissed and replaced repeatedly for the first couple years...
[01:51:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:21] <exec> 08└─Thank you for that. I've heard of Mackensen, but know almost nothing about him. I had never heard of this monument before. My studies have been from the Anglo point of view, most of the time. There was a time, when good officers were taught to respect the enemy. If the enemy could make you bleed, he...
[01:51:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:24] <exec> 08└─My post is much like your own: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] Grant was pretty damned good, but without Sherman, Grant's efforts would have been much more costly to the North.
[01:51:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:26] <exec> 08└─LoL, nice to know that the "obama was just as bad" concept isn't anything new. Lincoln was to Lee as Obama is to Trump? We can only hope that this generation's flaming bigot falls even harder.
[01:51:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:28] <exec> 08└─What we choose to honor and given public space speaks a lot about our culture. Move these statues to the local museum of shame. "Look kids, here are some of our bigger fuck ups, please learn from their mistakes."
[01:51:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:30] <exec> 08└─Pickett's Charge was just stupid. Frontal assaults on dug-in troops in 1863 was suicide.[1] Lee telling Pickett to have his division cross hundreds of yards of of open ground wasn't tactically or strategically[2] smart.
[01:51:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:32] <exec> 08└─His statue is a symbol of everything the South stood for, including slavery.
[01:51:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:35] <exec> 08└─Lee was exactly the sort of general the South wanted. The whole Southern Gentleman propaganda pushed for an aggressive style of war. They wanted not just to win the war, but to win it in a very manly way with glorious victory after glorious victory. Stupid, but then, it was stupid to have started th...
[01:51:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:37] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid, by 1914 the generals STILL hadn't figured out that it was stupid and now there were MACHINE GUNS. As long as commanders were actually -leading- their forces, the stupidity had a natural limiting factor. (The stupid commanders were killed in battle.) The...
[01:51:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:39] <exec> 08└─Well, you got 2 of the words right. G.A.R. == Grand Army of the Republic -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:51:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:41] <exec> 08└─http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/040218.html [genealogytoday.com] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] "The "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR) was a fraternal organization composed of veterans of the Union Army" Please don't confuse a fraternity with the...
[01:51:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:43] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid
[01:51:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:46] <exec> 08└─Lee wouldn't have been a tyrant at any point so that restriction doesn't apply. And after the war, perhaps former Confederate sources might be circumspect due to social pressures, but Union ones wouldn't be so affected. It appears that there was a great deal of respect on the Union side for the man...
[01:51:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:48] <exec> 08└─Welp, jmorris can't possibly disagree with you on everything. It's natural bias for him to sound more reasonable when he agrees with you than when he disagrees.
[01:51:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:50] <exec> 08└─Wikipedia is a genuine wonder of the world when it comes to stuff like this. It's by necessity a bit superficial, but can quickly tell you who did what, even bit players. This can lead to the discovery of connections that normal discourse on history tends to gloss over. For example, one of the most...
[01:51:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:52] <exec> 08└─Germany lost WWI and beating them up for it didn't work out so well. So there was a do over called WWII. This rewriting of history to feel better is not a smart move. It's kind of like asking for a ham fisted do over on the reconciliation that made a United States after the civil war. PC is not alwa...
[01:51:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:54] <exec> 08└─The problem with a policy of censorship because they're not progressive enough is there is no logical limit. We'll have to bulldoze over the washington monument because he owned slaves, and nuke the city of Rome from orbit just to be sure because the Roman Empire was rather problematic. We gotta bul...
[01:51:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:57] <exec> 08└─And most history should be like that, less focused on Great Men
[01:51:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:51:59] <exec> 08└─I'm tolerable good at analogies. I'll try to squirt out two good ones. This is similar to endless Monday morning quarterbacking about how "640K should be enough for anyone" and all that crap. I was THERE in the old days and a lot of stuff didn't last very long so planning for the future was really s...
[01:52:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:01] <exec> 08└─Your comment is underrated in that it was a confusing era to live thru and a bit of hero worship of Lee was important to healing the military, post war. Before the war the army was one big happy family, right? Then for a couple years a family feud. Then in theory one big happy family again. Thats go...
[01:52:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:03] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[01:52:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:05] <exec> 08└─People are already trying to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson and other prominent figures that weren't on the side of the Confederacy or even involved in the Civil War. It's only a matter of time before the only thing people are taught about US history is that old white men are bad.
[01:52:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:08] <exec> 08└─He doesn't have a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because he was the greatest general ever. He has a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because "fuck you, you goddamn yankees!"
[01:52:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:10] <exec> 08└─I've got a different idea for a compromise. Get all those people who still support the "Southern Culture" of the antebellum US South. That is gather all the people together that support keeping and creating statues celebrating a culture that enslaves humans beings, a culture that believed in enslavi...
[01:52:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:12] <exec> 08└─Plus, Lincoln told England that if they didn't stop trading with the south he would consider that an act of war. It could have been a different outcome if England had said piss off and continued supplying the south. What was Lincoln going to do, fight two wars at the same time?
[01:52:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:14] <exec> 08└─Why should a traitor get a statue in the nation's capital? Honestly, I think the Union did the wrong thing by re-admitting the Southern states. They should have remained occupied territory, with their citizens always kept as second-class citizens. If they still haven't figured out after over 150 yea...
[01:52:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:16] <exec> 08└─I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, though I don't claim to be a military historian, so I'm not really going to weigh in on the details. My objection was primarily with the overall tone of the article (specifically its headline and conclusion). Yes, a lot of the concerns about strategy in...
[01:52:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:19] <exec> 08└─I submitted it weeks ago on a slow news day. Many american geeks like to obsess about two wars, WWII and the American Civil War. I thought the SN crowd might enjoy responding to the article's premise.
[01:52:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:21] <exec> 08└─Yep, 'cause not celebrating someone is the exact same thing as systematically removing him from the history books.
[01:52:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:23] <exec> 08└─Give them time...
[01:52:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:25] <exec> 08└─Actually, from a liberal perspective it is more important to leave the history intact so that people can learn from their mistakes. But hey, I'm responding to VLM so this is all gibberish apparently.
[01:52:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:27] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[01:52:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:30] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the statue of Benjamin Franklin Butler.
[01:52:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:32] <exec> 08└─You been snorting crack again?
[01:52:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:34] <exec> 08└─You know, it's amazing. There were two Buddha statues in Afghanistan, a pair of twin Buddha statues. And in New York City, there were the two twin towers of the World Trade Center. And both sets were destroyed by Islam, by radical Islam. Mullah Omar said no, don't blow up the statues. But the radica...
[01:52:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:36] <exec> 08└─You know, Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee. And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew J...
[01:52:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:38] <exec> 08└─This right here. He held his own very well and gave more than he got against an in all ways superior force that was being woefully mismanaged. The problem the Lincoln administration had was the Army he inherited was a political thing not a fighting force. That took time to fix. Ironically, Lee was o...
[01:52:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:41] <exec> 08└─History is what people repeat about the past - not an accurate, complete, nor unbiased account of anything. BTW, this story seems to be rebel-baiting.
[01:52:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:43] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[01:52:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:52] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[01:52:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:54] <exec> 08└─The dd utility is part of any respectable *NIX distribution and first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. https://www.freebsd.org(1) [freebsd.org] http://man7.org [man7.org] That said, it is not unheard of to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's...
[01:52:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:56] <exec> 08└─it was mentioned that dd (sometimes referred to as Data Dump), an app that comes with pretty much every Linux distro,
[01:52:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:52:58] <exec> 08└─Mint users are pretty much Windows users, never mind that Mint as a distro is bug-ridden gobshite and I have no idea how it got hyped to the point it did. Still, they need tools that are easy-to-understand if not one-click solutions. Not fifty-million goddamn options that 99% of people don't even us...
[01:53:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:00] <exec> 08└─I miss reading those Microsoft help websites where MS techs only give you notebook scripted answers instead of getting to a solution. Q: "My mouse won't work" A: :First run your antivirus, then check for updates, then restart your PC, and if that doesn't fix it reinstall Windows.
[01:53:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:03] <exec> 08└─Your Mint experience is nothing like mine. I have been using Mint for about 2 years and have never had a problem, with the notable exception of a Bluetooth mouse that stopped working. I think I started with version 17.0 and have just upgraded every time a new release happened, so I must be on 18.1 n...
[01:53:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:05] <exec> 08└─You'd think that a bootable USB image of Linux would Just Work nowadays, nope! Still gotta fuck with options when writing the image , then again fuck with boot options to get it to boot.
[01:53:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:07] <exec> 08└─+1 positive mint experience. Mint was my introduction to Linux as a desktop OS. Coming from Windows, Cinnamon was a very comfortable DTE and matching shortcuts for things like minimising/maximising was nice when doing the boring day to day desktop stuff: browsing the internet, reading email, typing...
[01:53:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:09] <exec> 08└─Clem's response to Kim, linked as tools [linuxmint.com] says simply extract the img image from the ZIP and then right-click it and select "Make bootable USB stick"
[01:53:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:11] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[01:53:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:14] <exec> 08└─OK. dd is an internal command, not a separate executable file. So, "app" isn't the ideal word; "command" would have been better. There's no requirement for the guy who compiled -your- kernel to include it, so there's a possibility that it's not there to be run. There are a scad of interpretations/ex...
[01:53:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:16] <exec> 08└─On my Linux system, dd is an executable file. Specifically, /bin/dd Or has systemd managed to screw even that up?
[01:53:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:18] <exec> 08└─Hmmm, yeah. There that sucker is. That would seem to strike 1 of the sighs. (It's still possible to omit it.) ...as well as the assertion of another commenter about its app-ness. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:53:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:20] <exec> 08└─You're tiresome.
[01:53:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:22] <exec> 08└─It comes with proprietary software out of the box (not limited to firmware) and its repositories don't separate free software from proprietary. Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[01:53:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:25] <exec> 08└─...to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's configuration utility. This was very common in the days DOS was still around,..
[01:53:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:27] <exec> 08└─Garmin GPS - Windows only for updates. Canon scanner - Windows only software (slide scanning) Mac support, sometimes. Linux, sadly, an afterthought. We are after all, only 2% of the world 'market', but we are the 2% what make it happen and who know stuff. 98% sheep don't make it the right technology...
[01:53:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:29] <exec> 08└─dd has nothing to do with the kernel, so whoever did what when building the kernel is irrelevant. Under GNU/Linux distributions, it's in the coreutils package.
[01:53:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:31] <exec> 08└─Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[01:53:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:33] <exec> 08└─Not always. When I needed to update the BIOS on my Pentium 4 motherboard, I got a DOS executable. I downloaded a floppy image of OpenDOS, which worked fine for the job.
[01:53:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:36] <exec> 08└─The only Windows-only tool that is mentioned in the article is the tool Win32DiskImager. I never before even heard of that tool, but yet it is very obvious what it is used for: To make a bootable USB stick from the disk image provided. Now obviously for a computer marketed specifically for Linux, it...
[01:53:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:38] <exec> 08└─I agree that "command" would have been a more appropriate word, but for different reasons. As others noted, dd is indeed an executable file. However in my book an app (or application) is a program which is controlled through its UI (doesn't need to be a GUI; the point is that you first start the pro...
[01:53:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:40] <exec> 08└─But when the doggie-doo hits the BIOS fan, they only have one tool in their toolbox.
[01:53:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zyx Abacab [3701] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:42] <exec> 08└─If systemd's `rm -r .*` walks up the entire filesystem-hierarchy, you can fully expect systemd's `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3` to nuke all your hard disks, flash drives, blank DVDs, network shares, and brain-cells. That behaviour is just an ordinary UNIX pitfall, no? [github.com]
[01:53:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 634 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:45] <exec> 08└─I really do not know how much manufacturers use Windows bios update tools; I do not use Windows much. If I had to implement something of the sort, FreeDOS is likely what I would use as well. That said, the procedures referred to above seem to call for Win32 Disk Imager, a utility built for Windows...
[01:53:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:47] <exec> 08└─Nothing that a 8G USB stick won't fix.
[01:53:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:49] <exec> 08└─cannot be used easily from a desktop environment Your exception actually means that a commandline invoked executable are very easy to use from a desktop environment, with the commandline switches it is in fact often easier than hunting through ever increasing levels of menus with a mouse. This is es...
[01:53:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:53:51] <exec> 08└─*sh are not terminals, but shells. Terminals (or rather, terminal emulators) are xterm, konsole and Gnome-Terminal. And no, I don't consider running commands from a terminal window as "running from a desktop environment". The terminal runs on the desktop environment. The command runs on the terminal...
[01:54:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:01] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians - perhaps even those mentioned in the three combined stories - were so quick to recognize (possible) mistakes and were s...
[01:54:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 2023 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:03] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable "Trump Derangement Syndrome" victimposting combined with a bit of humor. I mean, for any random comment in three stories couldn't it appear in the other two almost unchanged? Colo had something insightful on that...
[01:54:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:05] <exec> 08└─I submitted the thing about the UK elections - I was surprised no one else had as it has been quite a big thing in the UK. I was a bit cheesed off that it got lumped in with the FBI stuff, but figured it was just a bad judgement. No problem. Thanks for the apology.
[01:54:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:07] <exec> 08└─That's a man's admission, not a boy's... MartyB, you're all right, you are... it takes guts to do this. You did and you learned from it. Please continue your contributions, they are valued!
[01:54:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:09] <exec> 08└─Kill yourself now.
[01:54:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:12] <exec> 08└─His Words: "Brexit is coming."
[01:54:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:14] <exec> 08└─Amid all this hoopla, Puerto Rico is voting today (Sunday 6/11/17) on whether to seek full statehood. http://www.npr.org [npr.org] You would think, with all the press, they would be trying to...
[01:54:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:16] <exec> 08└─it has been quite a big thing in the UK
[01:54:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:18] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt, well, hope all you want its free... Also for practical political reasons the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state. I'm not seeing them admitted any time soon.
[01:54:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:20] <exec> 08└─As punishment I suggest Marty B be sent to Washing D.C. to serve in the senate as an actual senator. Lecturing to psychopaths will get you nowhere. I'm disappointed. I thought everybody knew that by now. Don't bother 'lecturing' these people. You have to vote them out. It's the only way.
[01:54:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:23] <exec> 08└─"On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable" Yes, thanks to partisan posters like yourself, who can't comprehend someone with a different opinion. Funny that one of the worst offenders with Hillary/Obama/Comey derangement syndrome pointing this out.
[01:54:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:25] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[01:54:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:27] <exec> 08└─... you'll be first up against the wall. But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers.
[01:54:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:29] <exec> 08└─As i said in my editor's note... There will be a proper UK election story soon, there has been a lot of coverage in the online editorial form, but very little in the way of actual confirmed details of the results... What was confirmed, the 'confidence and supply deal' with the DUP was retracted. The...
[01:54:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:32] <exec> 08└─Well now we know MDC is a UEL. United Empire Loyalist. Relocate to Canada while your Queen has a few years of life still in her.
[01:54:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:34] <exec> 08└─Been following it fairly closely. May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result. May and her party, the conservatives*, had a decent majority. *Think old school Republican's At this point Corbyn, the leader of the Labour* party, was (quite liter...
[01:54:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:36] <exec> 08└─Probably because you are too connected to US space? The two stories are different by implications.
[01:54:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:38] <exec> 08└─No hard feelings either.
[01:54:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:40] <exec> 08└─only one Politics story per day
[01:54:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:43] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt
[01:54:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:45] <exec> 08└─This bullshit apology story just ate the Politics quota for today? If martyb weren't a complete utter disingenuous cunt, he would have put this shit under Meta where it belongs. What a fucking cunt.
[01:54:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:47] <exec> 08└─There is no hard limit, but we do try to maintain a focus on technology and science. In my opinion there is such a wide intersection where politics meets science and technology. Your submitted story is a good example of this. We should have some focus on political stories that actually have some wid...
[01:54:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:49] <exec> 08└─I decided to leave it in Politics. The reason for this is... If you have Politics unchecked in your preferences, then you would not have seen the original story anyway so it's irrelevant to your use of the site. If you're an AC then it doesn't matter either, as you can't set preferences. I could hav...
[01:54:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:51] <exec> 08└─Don't we have the nexus so people can avoid Politics if they wish?
[01:54:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:54] <exec> 08└─Keep up the good work Marty and everyone else. Yeah, I know... ass-hat will come along now and say something unkind.
[01:54:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:56] <exec> 08└─Agreed, if you're going to open your borders to packs of wild animals, then you might as well admit those wild animals who have decent music and rum and love bikes and guns. That being said, we should be the ones offering to pay other nations to take Puerto Rico from us.
[01:54:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:54:58] <exec> 08└─Says the boy who never made a mistake, ever.
[01:54:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:00] <exec> 08└─> Coverage has been very ... muted. Gee, I wonder where you get your international news? Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet (NE USA), and even more after midnight when that FM station switches over to the BBC World Service. I often play this BBC news on the clock radio sleep timer...
[01:55:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03woodcruft [6528] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:02] <exec> 08└─Although it's appreciated. I guess the audience for this site is largely from IT but it doesn't mean we have no interest in other matters and on occasion you get times when a pile of say important political events happen, like recently. In the past year we have seen a number of seismic political e...
[01:55:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:05] <exec> 08└─May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result.
[01:55:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:07] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[01:55:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:09] <exec> 08└─I 2nd this. MartyB, you contribute so much to this website, and through it, us, that I can only thank you for posting what you feel is important. As always I have the power to skim past it; but I'd rather it be there in the 1st place, giving me that option. Thank you!
[01:55:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Empyrean [5241] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:11] <exec> 08└─No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians...
[01:55:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:13] <exec> 08└─Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet Pacifica Radio in SoCal for the previous week (and more). [archive.li] (orig; Will age rapidly) [kpfk.org] Scroll to Friday June 9 and the 2 hosts (Brad and Suzi) who made the effort to type in some comments show evidence of their coverage. Other...
[01:55:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:16] <exec> 08└─One "Oh shit" wipes out a thousand Attaboys. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[01:55:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:18] <exec> 08└─I don't see what all the fuss was about. It's an interesting thought, and I'm glad martyb tried it--lumping the political stories of the day into one. I'm not convinced it's wrong. There is a real dilemma we have here, of scope and identity. I expect some difficulty as we figure it out. More importa...
[01:55:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:20] <exec> 08└─the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state.
[01:55:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:22] <exec> 08└─I completely concur. Of course, there is also the minor matter of the requisite accompanying penalty [youtube.com].
[01:55:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:24] <exec> 08└─Agreed. It's good to change behavior but it takes balls to admit you were wrong. Thanks for all your work martyb!
[01:55:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:27] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time."
[01:55:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:29] <exec> 08└─The only major opponent to the Conservatives and analogous to the Democrats.
[01:55:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:31] <exec> 08└─In politics they have a word for the honesty and intellectual maturity to admit a mistake: "weakness".
[01:55:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:33] <exec> 08└─Don't sweat it, martyb. You work hard for the community. Folks who criticized it could mix their feedback with pitching in a bit. Many hands make for light work, but also in an all volunteer effort like this it separates productive feedback from deleterious carping. Or they could ignore the Politics...
[01:55:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:36] <exec> 08└─muted in a relative sense. news.google.com shows exactly one story about the current UK situation on the right side "Britain's PM May to face her party amid post-election tumult - Reuters Staff" Meanwhile there's about two dozen Trump Derangement Syndrome rants, two Apple posts one about WWDC last w...
[01:55:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:38] <exec> 08└─The Left-right dichotomy is completely worthless, especially now, in defining American politics. The two parties have the exact same policies but with different target audiences. It is particularly ridiculous now since the Republicans just elected a hard core liberal democrat to president, and the o...
[01:55:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:40] <exec> 08└─First, you need to drain the swamp, don't you?
[01:55:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:42] <exec> 08└─But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers. Namespace Pollution: If you use the word "conservative" in a political thread about UK and US politics at the same time, what do you actually mean?
[01:55:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:44] <exec> 08└─I am a cunt, martyb is an honorable gentleman. Hmmm...is that a UK cunt, or a US one?
[01:55:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:53] <exec> 08└─... it says grant winners
[01:55:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:55] <exec> 08└─> before election: I will defend French interests in Europe, The World, And This Quadrant Of The Galaxy > after election: yo, señorita, want a grant?
[01:55:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:55:57] <exec> 08└─Maricón has already imported thousands of foreign scientists. [express.co.uk]
[01:55:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:00] <exec> 08└─Is he offering a reduction in terrorism-related loss of limbs/property insurance? That would surely make moving to France less problematic.
[01:56:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:02] <exec> 08└─Statistically you are more likely to kill yourself, deliberately, than to be killed by a terrorist.
[01:56:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:04] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case. More's the pity.
[01:56:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:06] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case.
[01:56:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:09] <exec> 08└─"I also married my molester"
[01:56:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:11] <exec> 08└─It might well be in France's interest to have the world's top scientists there.
[01:56:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:13] <exec> 08└─It looks like France has decided to compete with Canada, then. The Canadian government has also told scientists they are welcome. And maybe we'll both be competing with California.
[01:56:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:15] <exec> 08└─Make America Great Again is a rediculus slogan because the past was less great than the present for a lot of people, including non-whites and women. That criticism also applies to Macaroni's version.
[01:56:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:17] <exec> 08└─You're more likely to commit suicide(19.5/100000) than to be killed by a drunk driver(5/100000)...does that mean drunk driving isn't a big deal too?
[01:56:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03fierce [4087] (Score: 1) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:20] <exec> 08└─Obviously the parent poster was refering to killing yourself by accident.
[01:56:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:22] <exec> 08└─Yes, under the ideal and unrealistic condition that they have no ties with country of origin. How easy it is to force a scientist to pass classified data to his country of origin where his family lives? Do you recall the intranet hacking Chinese interns of some time ago?
[01:56:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 469 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:24] <exec> 08└─MAGA is a problem because the cows have escaped. If America got selfish around the Clinton era, they would have pushed the rest of the world in the second world or less. But America and URSS are globalists' inventions like China and Africa. The pattern you will recognize in all of those places is th...
[01:56:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:26] <exec> 08└─Oh shit, the American scientists might tell America how to fight climate change! The horror!
[01:56:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:28] <exec> 08└─The research gets done, and we save a lot of money on the research.
[01:56:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:39] <exec> 08└─Fake news arose as soon as trump entered the scene. Coincidence? I think not. Donald is tweeting at 3AM for one reason only. He stays up and writes all of the fake news you see.
[01:56:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:41] <exec> 08└─Fake news pointed out those other evil Fake news supported by alternative facts. But be assured, I can now announce: Reality is over. You can relax!
[01:56:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Disagree) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:43] <exec> 08└─The average human is as dumb as a pile of bricks, and roughly half of humans are even dumber than that. That is why democracy is a terrible idea; it gives equal voices to unequal people. Capitalism is the only real solution: The weight of a person's "vote" depends on how productive that person's pre...
[01:56:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:46] <exec> 08└─Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right? It always surprises me that people who argue for exclusion always argue from the point of view that /they/ will remain in the group of the powerful. They never seem to grasp that -looking back at our history- it will backfire and they...
[01:56:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:48] <exec> 08└─Try again.
[01:56:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:50] <exec> 08└─You're confusing an industrial era financing technology arguably past its prime with a political system. You're better off with a nice monarchy, neoreactionary style. Like the brits but with teeth.
[01:56:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:52] <exec> 08└─the US science community
[01:56:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:54] <exec> 08└─How does a monarchy have anything to do with ensuring that future decisions are likely made by people who have had a history of making profitable decisions? Indeed, a monarchy (especially one with "teeth") is based on the principle of coercion, rather than on voluntary agreement in advance of intera...
[01:56:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 692 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:57] <exec> 08└─I can't believe there's so much disinformation out there against climate change! Don't these people know that there's already scientific consensus? As we all know, once a bunch of scientists agree on something, it's fact and you can't argue anymore. So if Al Gore tells us that the polar ice caps are...
[01:56:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:56:59] <exec> 08└─Hmm, informal list of attributes the king should have: PhilosopherHealing hands (this one is important! you have to have healing hands to be king, you know)In-depth knowledge of swallows
[01:57:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:01] <exec> 08└─The average human USian is as dumb as a pile of bricks
[01:57:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:03] <exec> 08└─Bullshit. Stupidity is universal. Just look at the political turmoil in the EU as one example.
[01:57:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 333 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:06] <exec> 08└─Exactly! I propose an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We should take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer should have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs or a two-thirds...
[01:57:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 5, Interesting) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:08] <exec> 08└─How does a monarchy have anything to do with ensuring that future decisions are likely made by people who have had a history of making profitable decisions?
[01:57:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 727 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:10] <exec> 08└─Pffff. Children with a limited grasp of History are a real scream. When Roger Ailes founded Fox so-called News in 1996, he had a vision of it becoming the propaganda arm of the Republican Party. (Glad he's dead. Wish it had happened in 1966 when he was still a flunky for the Mike Douglas chat show....
[01:57:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:12] <exec> 08└─None of this bullshit propaganda would have worked if people hadn't been primed for it. The Right has spent the last several decades nurturing a culture of illiteracy and skepticism of the utility of science itself among their base. These chickens are finally coming home and we see the complete coll...
[01:57:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:15] <exec> 08└─Not sure why someone troll modded you on this one...it probably hit a little too close to home. I only see one party here with guys spewing apocalyptic shit about how God will fix this if it's meant to get fixed etc. I mean ffs already.
[01:57:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:17] <exec> 08└─> Capitalism is the only real solution We should first implement it, to test your assertion. The problem being, as soon as a player in the free market gets strong enough, wants the freedom to end, and succeeds.
[01:57:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:19] <exec> 08└─We have the ability to reorganize our economy and our civilization to fight it.
[01:57:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:21] <exec> 08└─> The Right has spent the last several decades nurturing a culture of illiteracy and skepticism. Probably. Meanwhile the left says exactly the same thing no matter who, where or when. Which means that what they say is self evident truth or groupthink propaganda. Self evident truth means they are nev...
[01:57:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:23] <exec> 08└─... responded by ratcheting up efforts to communicate with the public at the grassroots level as well as in the mainstream press.
[01:57:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aiwendil [531] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:25] <exec> 08└─Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right?
[01:57:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:28] <exec> 08└─Yeah not a lot of liberals in Mother Russia huh?
[01:57:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:30] <exec> 08└─Sorry, bub. When you say that poor peoples' vote shouldn't count, you are making precisely that argument, with the full expectation that you will be on the 'right' side of the line. So, really, you can bugger off!
[01:57:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:32] <exec> 08└─i.e. "We admit that we have lost control over the narrative."
[01:57:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:57:34] <exec> 08└─Also remember, if not for US occupation, Europe would still be in its continual state of war that goes back thousands of years. Let's not mince meat on who the peacekeepers are.
[01:57:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
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[02:31:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:02] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors makes me want one of these CPU's - NOT!!
[02:31:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:09] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[02:31:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1072 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:12] <exec> 08└─Playing the original Burnout games was a lot of fun, not sure how well they stand up today. Carmageddon and Twisted Metal were some of my favorite games of that era... I think best left to the memories. You could perhaps look into the FlatOut series for that type of thing. In my opinion, the racing/...
[02:31:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:14] <exec> 08└─For a long time, it was absolutely taboo for ads to show the car destroyed, because the viewer has to dream of the pretty shapes, not rationalize the much-touted safety features and resultant mess. I remember hearing when they had one of the first ever human-driven crashes in an ad (note that many s...
[02:31:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:16] <exec> 08└─Trackmania series, for the arcade feel. Dirt (4, rallye) for more realism. Not interested in the list by realistic track racing games, so I can't help you there.
[02:31:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:18] <exec> 08└─Both should be cheap used, and it doesn't require online activation. I personally preferred The Pre-Undercover NFS games (Shift games were alright with a steering wheel, but I was tired of DRM by the time they came out, so I didn't end up buying them. Everybody I know who tried to play them with a c...
[02:31:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:21] <exec> 08└─There was a PS3 racing game, Grid 3 or something. I did everything needed at the first level but didn't have the points to get to the second level. Did everything I could to gain points, could not get enough for level 2. Sold the game, then got it at the library for a week for $0. Same result, can't...
[02:31:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:23] <exec> 08└─There's a new Gran Turismo for PS4 coming out in December.
[02:31:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:25] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't buy this game simply because it uses them. It's not that hard to just fictionalize the cars and tell the brands to pound sand, lots of other games do that. When you start playing product placement games you lose me from your audience.
[02:31:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:34] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[02:31:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:36] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[02:31:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:38] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[02:31:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:40] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[02:31:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:42] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[02:31:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:44] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[02:31:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:47] <exec> 08└─even the easy MIPS stuff
[02:31:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:56] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[02:31:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:31:58] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[02:32:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:00] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[02:32:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:03] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[02:32:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:05] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[02:32:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:07] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[02:32:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:09] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[02:32:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:11] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[02:32:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:14] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[02:32:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:16] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[02:32:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:18] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[02:32:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:20] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[02:32:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:22] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[02:32:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:25] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[02:32:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:27] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[02:32:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:29] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[02:32:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:31] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[02:32:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:34] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[02:32:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:36] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[02:32:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:38] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[02:32:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:40] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[02:32:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:43] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[02:32:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:45] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[02:32:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:47] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[02:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:49] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:52] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[02:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:54] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[02:32:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:56] <exec> 08└─You can make it a hard problem by cutting weight, volume, and power until it stops working. Also to be honest a lot of 70s crashes semi-CFIT they just blamed the hell out of the pilot for being a dumbass. Now a days a dude augers in and cheap cameras everywhere means they play back the video where t...
[02:32:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:58] <exec> 08└─100 $100M planes or 1000 $10M planes the profits the same but pilot survival is higher in the latter.
[02:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:01] <exec> 08└─That was F22, and it ground the whole fleet of them.
[02:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:03] <exec> 08└─I googled up some relevant articles https://www.flightglobal.com [flightglobal.com] http://www.airforce-technology.com [airforce-technology.com] https://www.usnews.com
[02:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:05] <exec> 08└─Yeah right [youtube.com]....
[02:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:08] <exec> 08└─Turn 'em into UAVs. Then they'll get their money's worth. Why are we still sending pilots up anyway?
[02:33:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:17] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[02:33:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:19] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[02:33:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:21] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[02:33:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:24] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[02:33:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:26] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[02:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:28] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[02:33:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:30] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[02:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:33] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[02:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:35] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[02:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:37] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[02:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:39] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[02:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:41] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[02:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:44] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[02:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:46] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[02:33:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:48] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[02:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:50] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[02:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:53] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[02:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:55] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[02:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:57] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[02:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:59] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[02:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:01] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[02:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:04] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[02:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:06] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[02:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:08] <exec> 08└─And "wingdings" are a problem because...? I might sympatize with an idea than combining characters wasn't as good of an idea as some thought it would be, but this? If you don't need those you just don't use them.
[02:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:10] <exec> 08└─I once looked forward to UTF with longing. It would be so great to be able to use "æ" instead of having to cludge "ae" for example. But it's become so overrun with nonsense it almost seems like a bad idea in retrospect. ASCII wasn't perfect but at least we were spared all these wingnuts.
[02:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:13] <exec> 08└─Yeah here's the problem - you can't keep other people from using them. And it opens all kinds of problems. For one big field of examples consider the implications of using these things in filenames. No, a text encoding system needs to encode text. It needs to encode the regular symbols used in writi...
[02:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:24] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[02:34:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:26] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[02:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:28] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[02:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:30] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[02:34:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:32] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[02:34:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:34] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[02:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:37] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[02:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:39] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[02:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:41] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[02:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:43] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[02:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:52] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[02:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:54] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[02:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:56] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[02:34:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:59] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[02:35:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:01] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[02:35:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:03] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[02:35:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:06] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[02:35:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:08] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[02:35:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:10] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[02:35:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:12] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[02:35:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 5, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:14] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[02:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:17] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[02:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:19] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[02:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:21] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[02:35:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:23] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[02:35:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:25] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[02:35:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:28] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[02:35:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:30] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[02:35:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:32] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[02:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:34] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[02:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:36] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[02:35:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:39] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[02:35:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:41] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[02:35:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:43] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[02:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:45] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[02:35:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:47] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[02:35:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:50] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[02:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:52] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[02:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:35:54] <exec> 08└─> Google indicates human powered hydrofoil is a thing and 21 MPH is achievable. Yep, I was part of the group that ran the human powered watercraft speed prizes. We had DuPont as a sponsor and eventually gave away $35K over 4 years, c.1990. I also got to pedal a couple of the different hydrofoils and...
[02:36:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:04] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[02:36:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:06] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[02:36:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:08] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[02:36:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:10] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[02:36:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:13] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[02:36:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:15] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[02:36:16] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Wootery [2341] 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:17] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[02:36:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:19] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[02:36:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:21] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[02:36:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:24] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[02:36:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:26] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[02:36:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:28] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[02:36:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:30] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[02:36:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:32] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[02:36:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:35] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[02:36:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:37] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[02:36:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:39] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[02:36:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:41] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[02:36:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:44] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[02:36:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:46] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[02:36:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:48] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[02:36:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:50] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[02:36:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:52] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[02:36:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:55] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[02:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:36:57] <exec> 08└─Your demo fails when you add the PS2 slim and the PS4 pro. The point of the weird monikers is that all XBox "One" should be compatible games-wise. But my mom would get lost and wait for the boys to write down the exact thing needed. Exhibit B: Ask a Spanish speaker (so few of them in the US, right?)...
[02:37:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:08] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[02:37:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:10] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[02:37:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:12] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[02:37:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:14] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[02:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:17] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[02:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:19] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[02:37:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:21] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[02:37:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:23] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[02:37:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:25] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[02:37:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:28] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[02:37:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:30] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[02:37:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:32] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[02:37:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:34] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[02:37:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:36] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:37:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03cockroach [2266] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:39] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[02:37:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:41] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[02:37:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:43] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[02:37:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:45] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[02:37:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:47] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[02:37:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:50] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[02:37:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:52] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:37:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:54] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[02:37:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:56] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[02:37:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:37:59] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[02:38:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:01] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[02:38:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:03] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[02:38:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:05] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[02:38:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:07] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[02:38:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:10] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[02:38:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:12] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[02:38:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:14] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[02:38:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:16] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[02:38:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:18] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[02:38:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:21] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[02:38:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:23] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[02:38:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:25] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[02:38:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:27] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[02:38:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:29] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[02:38:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:32] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[02:38:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:34] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[02:38:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:36] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[02:38:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:38] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[02:38:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:40] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[02:38:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:43] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[02:38:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:45] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[02:38:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:47] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[02:38:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:50] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[02:38:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:52] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[02:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:54] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[02:38:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:56] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[02:38:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:59] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[02:39:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:01] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[02:39:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:03] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[02:39:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:05] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[02:39:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:07] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[02:39:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:10] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[02:39:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:12] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[02:39:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:14] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[02:39:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:16] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[02:39:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:18] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[02:39:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:21] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[02:39:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:23] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[02:39:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:25] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[02:39:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:27] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[02:39:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:29] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[02:39:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:32] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[02:39:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:34] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[02:39:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:36] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[02:39:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:38] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[02:39:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:40] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[02:39:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:43] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[02:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:45] <exec> 08└─Someone who is scared off by an interesting name is probably not the ideal user for Linux. Folks who think that Lubuntu is weird would also think that Ubuntu was weird. Some folks are curious enough to Google that. [google.com] Lubuntu could be thought of as "Light Ubuntu", suitable for older, less...
[02:39:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:47] <exec> 08└─Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[02:39:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:49] <exec> 08└─Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
[02:39:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:52] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[02:39:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:54] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[02:40:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:03] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[02:40:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:05] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[02:40:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:08] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[02:40:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:10] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[02:40:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:12] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[02:40:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:14] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[02:40:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:17] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[02:40:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:19] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[02:40:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:22] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[02:40:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:24] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[02:40:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:26] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[02:40:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:28] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[02:40:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:30] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[02:40:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:33] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[02:40:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:35] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[02:40:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:37] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[02:40:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:39] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[02:40:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:41] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[02:40:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:44] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[02:40:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:46] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[02:40:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:48] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[02:40:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:50] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[02:40:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:52] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[02:40:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:55] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[02:40:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:57] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[02:40:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:59] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[02:41:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:01] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[02:41:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:03] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[02:41:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:06] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[02:41:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:08] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[02:41:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:10] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[02:41:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:12] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[02:41:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:14] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[02:41:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:17] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[02:41:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:19] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[02:41:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:21] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[02:41:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:23] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[02:41:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:25] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[02:41:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:28] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[02:41:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:30] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[02:41:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:32] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[02:41:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:34] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[02:41:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:36] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[02:41:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:39] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[02:41:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:41] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[02:41:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:43] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[02:41:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:45] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[02:41:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:48] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[02:41:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:50] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[02:41:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:52] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[02:41:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:54] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[02:41:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:56] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[02:41:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:59] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[02:42:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:01] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[02:42:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:03] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[02:42:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:05] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[02:42:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:07] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[02:42:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:10] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[02:42:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:12] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[02:42:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:14] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[02:42:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:16] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[02:42:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:18] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[02:42:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:21] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[02:42:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:23] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[02:42:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:25] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[02:42:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:27] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[02:42:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:29] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[02:42:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:32] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[02:42:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:34] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[02:42:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:36] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[02:42:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:38] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[02:42:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:40] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[02:42:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:43] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[02:42:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:45] <exec> 08└─A few months ago I posted my recipe for Cranberry mead here. I'm still waiting for the other half of the swap.
[02:42:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:53] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[02:42:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:56] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[02:42:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:58] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[02:42:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:00] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[02:43:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:02] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[02:43:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:04] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[02:43:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:07] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[02:43:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:09] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[02:43:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:11] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[02:43:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:13] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[02:43:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:15] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[02:43:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:18] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[02:43:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:20] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[02:43:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:30] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[02:43:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:33] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[02:43:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:35] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[02:43:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:37] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[02:43:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:39] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[02:43:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:41] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[02:43:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:44] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[02:43:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:46] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[02:43:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:48] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[02:43:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:50] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[02:43:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:53] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[02:43:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:55] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[02:43:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:57] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[02:43:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:43:59] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[02:44:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:01] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[02:44:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:04] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[02:44:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:06] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[02:44:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:08] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[02:44:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:10] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[02:44:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:12] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[02:44:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:15] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[02:44:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:17] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[02:44:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:19] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[02:44:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:21] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[02:44:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:24] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[02:44:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:26] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[02:44:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:28] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[02:44:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:30] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[02:44:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:32] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[02:44:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:34] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[02:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:37] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[02:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:39] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[02:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:41] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[02:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:43] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[02:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:45] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[02:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:48] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[02:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:50] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[02:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:52] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[02:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:54] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[02:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:57] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[02:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:59] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[02:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:01] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[02:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:03] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[02:45:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:05] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[02:45:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:08] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[02:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:10] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[02:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:12] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[02:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:14] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[02:45:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:17] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[02:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:19] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[02:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:21] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[02:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:23] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[02:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:25] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[02:45:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:28] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[02:45:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:30] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[02:45:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:32] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[02:45:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:34] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[02:45:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:37] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[02:45:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:39] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[02:45:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:41] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[02:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:43] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[02:45:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:45] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[02:45:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:48] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[02:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:50] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[02:45:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:52] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[02:45:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:54] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[02:45:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:56] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[02:45:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:59] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[02:46:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:01] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[02:46:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:03] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[02:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:05] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[02:46:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:08] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[02:46:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:10] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[02:46:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:12] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[02:46:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:14] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[02:46:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:16] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[02:46:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:18] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[02:46:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:21] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[02:46:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:23] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[02:46:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:25] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[02:46:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:27] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[02:46:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:30] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[02:46:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:32] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[02:46:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:34] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[02:46:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:36] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[02:46:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:38] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[02:46:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:41] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[02:46:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:43] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[02:46:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:45] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[02:46:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:47] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[02:46:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:50] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[02:46:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:52] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[02:46:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:54] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[02:46:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:56] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[02:46:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:46:59] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[02:47:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:01] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[02:47:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:03] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[02:47:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:05] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[02:47:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:07] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[02:47:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:10] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[02:47:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:19] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[02:47:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:21] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[02:47:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:24] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[02:47:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:26] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[02:47:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:28] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[02:47:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:30] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[02:47:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:33] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[02:47:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:35] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[02:47:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:37] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[02:47:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:39] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[02:47:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:41] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[02:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:44] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[02:47:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:46] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[02:47:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:48] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[02:47:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:50] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[02:47:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:52] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[02:47:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:54] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[02:47:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:57] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[02:47:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:47:59] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[02:48:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:01] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[02:48:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:03] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[02:48:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:05] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[02:48:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:08] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[02:48:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:10] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[02:48:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:12] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[02:48:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:14] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[02:48:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:17] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[02:48:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:19] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[02:48:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:21] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[02:48:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:23] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[02:48:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:26] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[02:48:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:28] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[02:48:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:30] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[02:48:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:32] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[02:48:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:35] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[02:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:37] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[02:48:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:39] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[02:48:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:41] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[02:48:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:43] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[02:48:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:46] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[02:48:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:48] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[02:48:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:50] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[02:48:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:52] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[02:48:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:54] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[02:48:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:57] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[02:48:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:48:59] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[02:49:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:07] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[02:49:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:10] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[02:49:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:12] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[02:49:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:14] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[02:49:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:17] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[02:49:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:19] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[02:49:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:21] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[02:49:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:23] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[02:49:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:25] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[02:49:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:28] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[02:49:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:30] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[02:49:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:32] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[02:49:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:34] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[02:49:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:37] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[02:49:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:39] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[02:49:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:41] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[02:49:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:51] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[02:49:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:54] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[02:49:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:56] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[02:49:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:49:58] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[02:49:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:00] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[02:50:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:03] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[02:50:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:05] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[02:50:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:07] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[02:50:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:09] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[02:50:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:12] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[02:50:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:14] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[02:50:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:16] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[02:50:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:18] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[02:50:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:20] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[02:50:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:23] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[02:50:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:25] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[02:50:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:27] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
[02:50:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:29] <exec> 08└─I actually sort of agree with you -- not necessarily that this article shouldn't be here at all (I personally find it interesting), but stuff like this with no tech/science angle at all perhaps should be flagged somehow. This one could probably fall under "politics," since it's pretty clear this was...
[02:50:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:31] <exec> 08└─You are correct. The North had much more industry, much more population, and more food production. The South's only hope was to have the war end quickly, preferably with the support of a foreign power like Britain. The Northern naval blockade prevented that.
[02:50:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:34] <exec> 08└─Robert E. Lee was not a bad general. That much is certain regardless of what this historian wrote. He was more than competent. He did make some mistakes on occasion, such as at the Battle of Gettysburg, which was turned out to be the turning point in the war. But when you consider that he was fighti...
[02:50:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:36] <exec> 08└─Probably should reevaluate Lincoln's decision making as well. Lincoln was dumb enough that he actually wanted Lee to head up the union army.
[02:50:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:38] <exec> 08└─That being said, I don't know much about combat history, but removing statues is bullshit.
[02:50:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:40] <exec> 08└─Not only that, but I think there's different degrees here. For instance, should a statue of General Lee, installed not long after the Civil War by defeated Confederates be removed? Now, should an obelisk built in 1891 to honor a white supremacist group who fought against integration in the New Orlea...
[02:50:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:42] <exec> 08└─I think a good compromise would be to ship all those disgruntled slaves' descendants to Los Angeles and San Francisco with plenty of downtown properties converted to affordable housing for them -- calling it "reparations." It's a win-win situation that also preserves American history.
[02:50:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:45] <exec> 08└─Oh, in addition: I agree that keeping that symbol of injustice seems bad, however how about this suggestion: if the anti-statue-removal people don't want Lee's statue removed, how about if we put statues of Grant and Lincoln right next to it? Would they be in favor of that, or against? Then the desc...
[02:50:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:47] <exec> 08└─Paid for primarily with extra taxes on the southern colonies, right?
[02:50:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:49] <exec> 08└─"oakgrove has 0 submissions" Huh! oakgrove submits nothing, but complains when others do!?! What. A. Surprise.
[02:50:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 734 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:51] <exec> 08└─This happens a lot because the further out you get from a historical event or a person's lifetime, the less control there is over what you dig up. New letters surface and people are willing to say things about dictators that weren't safe to say while the tyrant was in control of the country. But, af...
[02:50:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:53] <exec> 08└─No, what are you, racist or something? Refugees Welcome, as some people like to say.
[02:50:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:56] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. That sounds awfully like political correctness to me. Did your account get hacked?
[02:50:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:50:58] <exec> 08└─It lost! Get over it!
[02:50:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:00] <exec> 08└─right next to it, and bigger and much more prominent roo, perhaps looking down with a look of pity mixed with scorn as well. Especially Sherman.
[02:51:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:02] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but let's remember also the huge symbolism that Arlington National Cemetery is... it was Robt E Lee's estate before the Civil War..
[02:51:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:04] <exec> 08└─Also, Bamiyan statues need to be removed for they stand for the glory of infidels and non-believers who. thankfully, we have stoned to death long time ago. All praise the almighty Allah!
[02:51:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:07] <exec> 08└─Tech nexus, politics nexus, general/other nexus? Start using nexus' more so those who want to see certain stuff can opt in or out of categories. Maybe make tech the "default" nexus with others hidden so we don't have to have crybabies whining in every political/non-tech article and let the those tha...
[02:51:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:09] <exec> 08└─So did American Indians. Yet I'm sure you're not snidely saying the same thing to them, dickhead.
[02:51:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:12] <exec> 08└─Lee and most Confederate Generals apparently thought that they were still going up against swordsmen or smooth-bore muskets in the 1860s. The rifled firearms and minnie balls of the era could cut a force to pieces at a range of hundreds of yards--not to mention grapeshot and cannister rounds from ar...
[02:51:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:14] <exec> 08└─No, it's not. It should have been done a long, long time ago.
[02:51:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:16] <exec> 08└─James Burke [google.com] should have been writing those History books. Howard Zinn [google.com] is another guy who -did- write History books--and didn't just repeat the White-people-are-awesome myths. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:51:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:18] <exec> 08└─You don't even need to say "broadly". The Civil War was about which commanders could best use technology. They mostly did a shit job, choosing attrition. Lee, in particular. See my comment #524126 [soylentnews.org]. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:51:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:20] <exec> 08└─>But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job" The allegation in the actual article was that Lee was a failed strategist, and it's hard to disagree given the strategic choices laid out (namely making it an offensive war). Tactically yes, Lee was good; there was a reaso...
[02:51:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:23] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad idea at all. Sort of reminds me of the Confederate memorial on Martha's Vineyard. "WHAT?!" you say, "Another confederate memorial in Massachusetts? I thought Charlie Baker wanted to tear down the "only one" [bostonmagazine.com]." Nope. There's a much more interesting confederate mem...
[02:51:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:25] <exec> 08└─In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!
[02:51:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:27] <exec> 08└─Sometimes, great men are forced to make decisions that they don't like. Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his home state. Big difference there. Of course, today's politically correct crowd are incapable of distinguishing the difference. Another great man who should be honored, but is not,...
[02:51:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:29] <exec> 08└─Agreed. I never heard of those insurrectionists, until recently. They mean nothing to me, and I can't even be assed to do the minimal research that might make them mean something. Trash the obelisk, I don't care. No one outside of New Orleans - certainly no one outside Louisiana cares about it.
[02:51:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:32] <exec> 08└─Tell you what, I'll put up a statue of Grant next to Lee's if you put a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Lincoln Memorial. Deal?
[02:51:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:34] <exec> 08└─Has no one ever informed you that it was YOUR FAULT that you never studied recent American history? For my part, we, as a class, never really studied WWII. I, personally, devoted uncounted hours to studying Hitler, the Third Reich, the officers, and the Holocaust, BEFORE I graduated from high school...
[02:51:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:36] <exec> 08└─Another great man who should be honored, but is not, is Erwin Rommel. Rommel was among the most honorable men in Germany
[02:51:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:38] <exec> 08└─What I meant by "technical" there wasn't necessarily technology, but I guess something more like "academic" or "nerdy" rather than articles just on random pop culture topics or recipes for souffle (unless the souffle article details the science behind them or something).
[02:51:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:41] <exec> 08└─Let me add a little to your perspective. The Grand Old Army, that is the Union Army, was infested with incompetent officers who were appointed for political reasons, and due to family connections, when the war began. Incompetent fools were dismissed and replaced repeatedly for the first couple years...
[02:51:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:43] <exec> 08└─Thank you for that. I've heard of Mackensen, but know almost nothing about him. I had never heard of this monument before. My studies have been from the Anglo point of view, most of the time. There was a time, when good officers were taught to respect the enemy. If the enemy could make you bleed, he...
[02:51:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:45] <exec> 08└─My post is much like your own: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] Grant was pretty damned good, but without Sherman, Grant's efforts would have been much more costly to the North.
[02:51:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:47] <exec> 08└─LoL, nice to know that the "obama was just as bad" concept isn't anything new. Lincoln was to Lee as Obama is to Trump? We can only hope that this generation's flaming bigot falls even harder.
[02:51:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:50] <exec> 08└─What we choose to honor and given public space speaks a lot about our culture. Move these statues to the local museum of shame. "Look kids, here are some of our bigger fuck ups, please learn from their mistakes."
[02:51:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:52] <exec> 08└─Pickett's Charge was just stupid. Frontal assaults on dug-in troops in 1863 was suicide.[1] Lee telling Pickett to have his division cross hundreds of yards of of open ground wasn't tactically or strategically[2] smart.
[02:51:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:55] <exec> 08└─His statue is a symbol of everything the South stood for, including slavery.
[02:51:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:57] <exec> 08└─Lee was exactly the sort of general the South wanted. The whole Southern Gentleman propaganda pushed for an aggressive style of war. They wanted not just to win the war, but to win it in a very manly way with glorious victory after glorious victory. Stupid, but then, it was stupid to have started th...
[02:51:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:51:59] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid, by 1914 the generals STILL hadn't figured out that it was stupid and now there were MACHINE GUNS. As long as commanders were actually -leading- their forces, the stupidity had a natural limiting factor. (The stupid commanders were killed in battle.) The...
[02:52:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:01] <exec> 08└─Well, you got 2 of the words right. G.A.R. == Grand Army of the Republic -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:52:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:04] <exec> 08└─http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/040218.html [genealogytoday.com] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] "The "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR) was a fraternal organization composed of veterans of the Union Army" Please don't confuse a fraternity with the...
[02:52:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:06] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid
[02:52:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:08] <exec> 08└─Lee wouldn't have been a tyrant at any point so that restriction doesn't apply. And after the war, perhaps former Confederate sources might be circumspect due to social pressures, but Union ones wouldn't be so affected. It appears that there was a great deal of respect on the Union side for the man...
[02:52:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:10] <exec> 08└─Welp, jmorris can't possibly disagree with you on everything. It's natural bias for him to sound more reasonable when he agrees with you than when he disagrees.
[02:52:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:12] <exec> 08└─Wikipedia is a genuine wonder of the world when it comes to stuff like this. It's by necessity a bit superficial, but can quickly tell you who did what, even bit players. This can lead to the discovery of connections that normal discourse on history tends to gloss over. For example, one of the most...
[02:52:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:15] <exec> 08└─Germany lost WWI and beating them up for it didn't work out so well. So there was a do over called WWII. This rewriting of history to feel better is not a smart move. It's kind of like asking for a ham fisted do over on the reconciliation that made a United States after the civil war. PC is not alwa...
[02:52:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:17] <exec> 08└─The problem with a policy of censorship because they're not progressive enough is there is no logical limit. We'll have to bulldoze over the washington monument because he owned slaves, and nuke the city of Rome from orbit just to be sure because the Roman Empire was rather problematic. We gotta bul...
[02:52:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:19] <exec> 08└─And most history should be like that, less focused on Great Men
[02:52:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:21] <exec> 08└─I'm tolerable good at analogies. I'll try to squirt out two good ones. This is similar to endless Monday morning quarterbacking about how "640K should be enough for anyone" and all that crap. I was THERE in the old days and a lot of stuff didn't last very long so planning for the future was really s...
[02:52:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:23] <exec> 08└─Your comment is underrated in that it was a confusing era to live thru and a bit of hero worship of Lee was important to healing the military, post war. Before the war the army was one big happy family, right? Then for a couple years a family feud. Then in theory one big happy family again. Thats go...
[02:52:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:26] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[02:52:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:28] <exec> 08└─People are already trying to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson and other prominent figures that weren't on the side of the Confederacy or even involved in the Civil War. It's only a matter of time before the only thing people are taught about US history is that old white men are bad.
[02:52:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:30] <exec> 08└─He doesn't have a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because he was the greatest general ever. He has a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because "fuck you, you goddamn yankees!"
[02:52:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:32] <exec> 08└─I've got a different idea for a compromise. Get all those people who still support the "Southern Culture" of the antebellum US South. That is gather all the people together that support keeping and creating statues celebrating a culture that enslaves humans beings, a culture that believed in enslavi...
[02:52:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:34] <exec> 08└─Plus, Lincoln told England that if they didn't stop trading with the south he would consider that an act of war. It could have been a different outcome if England had said piss off and continued supplying the south. What was Lincoln going to do, fight two wars at the same time?
[02:52:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:37] <exec> 08└─Why should a traitor get a statue in the nation's capital? Honestly, I think the Union did the wrong thing by re-admitting the Southern states. They should have remained occupied territory, with their citizens always kept as second-class citizens. If they still haven't figured out after over 150 yea...
[02:52:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:39] <exec> 08└─I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, though I don't claim to be a military historian, so I'm not really going to weigh in on the details. My objection was primarily with the overall tone of the article (specifically its headline and conclusion). Yes, a lot of the concerns about strategy in...
[02:52:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:41] <exec> 08└─I submitted it weeks ago on a slow news day. Many american geeks like to obsess about two wars, WWII and the American Civil War. I thought the SN crowd might enjoy responding to the article's premise.
[02:52:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:43] <exec> 08└─Yep, 'cause not celebrating someone is the exact same thing as systematically removing him from the history books.
[02:52:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:46] <exec> 08└─Give them time...
[02:52:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:48] <exec> 08└─Actually, from a liberal perspective it is more important to leave the history intact so that people can learn from their mistakes. But hey, I'm responding to VLM so this is all gibberish apparently.
[02:52:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:50] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[02:52:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:52] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the statue of Benjamin Franklin Butler.
[02:52:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:54] <exec> 08└─You been snorting crack again?
[02:52:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:57] <exec> 08└─You know, it's amazing. There were two Buddha statues in Afghanistan, a pair of twin Buddha statues. And in New York City, there were the two twin towers of the World Trade Center. And both sets were destroyed by Islam, by radical Islam. Mullah Omar said no, don't blow up the statues. But the radica...
[02:52:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:52:59] <exec> 08└─You know, Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee. And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew J...
[02:53:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:01] <exec> 08└─This right here. He held his own very well and gave more than he got against an in all ways superior force that was being woefully mismanaged. The problem the Lincoln administration had was the Army he inherited was a political thing not a fighting force. That took time to fix. Ironically, Lee was o...
[02:53:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:03] <exec> 08└─History is what people repeat about the past - not an accurate, complete, nor unbiased account of anything. BTW, this story seems to be rebel-baiting.
[02:53:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:05] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[02:53:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:08] <exec> 08└─Now - I wonder if you can identify the politician who ran for office in the United States, who enjoyed the fruits of slave black labor?
[02:53:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:10] <exec> 08└─Ahhhh - relativism. If it's not been made illegal, then it's not so bad. Or less bad. Excusable, anyway. Got it. Anyway, here's one lady's take on the issue: https://kmgarcia2000.blogspot.com [blogspot.com]
[02:53:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:18] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[02:53:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:20] <exec> 08└─The dd utility is part of any respectable *NIX distribution and first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. https://www.freebsd.org(1) [freebsd.org] http://man7.org [man7.org] That said, it is not unheard of to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's...
[02:53:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:23] <exec> 08└─it was mentioned that dd (sometimes referred to as Data Dump), an app that comes with pretty much every Linux distro,
[02:53:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:25] <exec> 08└─Mint users are pretty much Windows users, never mind that Mint as a distro is bug-ridden gobshite and I have no idea how it got hyped to the point it did. Still, they need tools that are easy-to-understand if not one-click solutions. Not fifty-million goddamn options that 99% of people don't even us...
[02:53:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:27] <exec> 08└─I miss reading those Microsoft help websites where MS techs only give you notebook scripted answers instead of getting to a solution. Q: "My mouse won't work" A: :First run your antivirus, then check for updates, then restart your PC, and if that doesn't fix it reinstall Windows.
[02:53:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:29] <exec> 08└─Your Mint experience is nothing like mine. I have been using Mint for about 2 years and have never had a problem, with the notable exception of a Bluetooth mouse that stopped working. I think I started with version 17.0 and have just upgraded every time a new release happened, so I must be on 18.1 n...
[02:53:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:31] <exec> 08└─You'd think that a bootable USB image of Linux would Just Work nowadays, nope! Still gotta fuck with options when writing the image , then again fuck with boot options to get it to boot.
[02:53:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:34] <exec> 08└─+1 positive mint experience. Mint was my introduction to Linux as a desktop OS. Coming from Windows, Cinnamon was a very comfortable DTE and matching shortcuts for things like minimising/maximising was nice when doing the boring day to day desktop stuff: browsing the internet, reading email, typing...
[02:53:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:36] <exec> 08└─Clem's response to Kim, linked as tools [linuxmint.com] says simply extract the img image from the ZIP and then right-click it and select "Make bootable USB stick"
[02:53:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:38] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[02:53:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:40] <exec> 08└─OK. dd is an internal command, not a separate executable file. So, "app" isn't the ideal word; "command" would have been better. There's no requirement for the guy who compiled -your- kernel to include it, so there's a possibility that it's not there to be run. There are a scad of interpretations/ex...
[02:53:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:43] <exec> 08└─On my Linux system, dd is an executable file. Specifically, /bin/dd Or has systemd managed to screw even that up?
[02:53:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:45] <exec> 08└─Hmmm, yeah. There that sucker is. That would seem to strike 1 of the sighs. (It's still possible to omit it.) ...as well as the assertion of another commenter about its app-ness. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:53:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:47] <exec> 08└─You're tiresome.
[02:53:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:49] <exec> 08└─It comes with proprietary software out of the box (not limited to firmware) and its repositories don't separate free software from proprietary. Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[02:53:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:52] <exec> 08└─...to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's configuration utility. This was very common in the days DOS was still around,..
[02:53:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:54] <exec> 08└─Garmin GPS - Windows only for updates. Canon scanner - Windows only software (slide scanning) Mac support, sometimes. Linux, sadly, an afterthought. We are after all, only 2% of the world 'market', but we are the 2% what make it happen and who know stuff. 98% sheep don't make it the right technology...
[02:53:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:56] <exec> 08└─dd has nothing to do with the kernel, so whoever did what when building the kernel is irrelevant. Under GNU/Linux distributions, it's in the coreutils package.
[02:53:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:53:58] <exec> 08└─Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[02:53:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:00] <exec> 08└─Not always. When I needed to update the BIOS on my Pentium 4 motherboard, I got a DOS executable. I downloaded a floppy image of OpenDOS, which worked fine for the job.
[02:54:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:02] <exec> 08└─The only Windows-only tool that is mentioned in the article is the tool Win32DiskImager. I never before even heard of that tool, but yet it is very obvious what it is used for: To make a bootable USB stick from the disk image provided. Now obviously for a computer marketed specifically for Linux, it...
[02:54:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:05] <exec> 08└─I agree that "command" would have been a more appropriate word, but for different reasons. As others noted, dd is indeed an executable file. However in my book an app (or application) is a program which is controlled through its UI (doesn't need to be a GUI; the point is that you first start the pro...
[02:54:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:07] <exec> 08└─But when the doggie-doo hits the BIOS fan, they only have one tool in their toolbox.
[02:54:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zyx Abacab [3701] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:09] <exec> 08└─If systemd's `rm -r .*` walks up the entire filesystem-hierarchy, you can fully expect systemd's `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3` to nuke all your hard disks, flash drives, blank DVDs, network shares, and brain-cells. That behaviour is just an ordinary UNIX pitfall, no? [github.com]
[02:54:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 634 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:11] <exec> 08└─I really do not know how much manufacturers use Windows bios update tools; I do not use Windows much. If I had to implement something of the sort, FreeDOS is likely what I would use as well. That said, the procedures referred to above seem to call for Win32 Disk Imager, a utility built for Windows...
[02:54:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:14] <exec> 08└─Nothing that a 8G USB stick won't fix.
[02:54:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:16] <exec> 08└─cannot be used easily from a desktop environment Your exception actually means that a commandline invoked executable are very easy to use from a desktop environment, with the commandline switches it is in fact often easier than hunting through ever increasing levels of menus with a mouse. This is es...
[02:54:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:18] <exec> 08└─*sh are not terminals, but shells. Terminals (or rather, terminal emulators) are xterm, konsole and Gnome-Terminal. And no, I don't consider running commands from a terminal window as "running from a desktop environment". The terminal runs on the desktop environment. The command runs on the terminal...
[02:54:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:27] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians - perhaps even those mentioned in the three combined stories - were so quick to recognize (possible) mistakes and were s...
[02:54:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 2023 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:29] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable "Trump Derangement Syndrome" victimposting combined with a bit of humor. I mean, for any random comment in three stories couldn't it appear in the other two almost unchanged? Colo had something insightful on that...
[02:54:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:32] <exec> 08└─I submitted the thing about the UK elections - I was surprised no one else had as it has been quite a big thing in the UK. I was a bit cheesed off that it got lumped in with the FBI stuff, but figured it was just a bad judgement. No problem. Thanks for the apology.
[02:54:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:34] <exec> 08└─That's a man's admission, not a boy's... MartyB, you're all right, you are... it takes guts to do this. You did and you learned from it. Please continue your contributions, they are valued!
[02:54:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:36] <exec> 08└─Kill yourself now.
[02:54:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:38] <exec> 08└─His Words: "Brexit is coming."
[02:54:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:40] <exec> 08└─Amid all this hoopla, Puerto Rico is voting today (Sunday 6/11/17) on whether to seek full statehood. http://www.npr.org [npr.org] You would think, with all the press, they would be trying to...
[02:54:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:43] <exec> 08└─it has been quite a big thing in the UK
[02:54:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:45] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt, well, hope all you want its free... Also for practical political reasons the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state. I'm not seeing them admitted any time soon.
[02:54:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:47] <exec> 08└─As punishment I suggest Marty B be sent to Washing D.C. to serve in the senate as an actual senator. Lecturing to psychopaths will get you nowhere. I'm disappointed. I thought everybody knew that by now. Don't bother 'lecturing' these people. You have to vote them out. It's the only way.
[02:54:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:49] <exec> 08└─"On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable" Yes, thanks to partisan posters like yourself, who can't comprehend someone with a different opinion. Funny that one of the worst offenders with Hillary/Obama/Comey derangement syndrome pointing this out.
[02:54:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:51] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[02:54:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:54] <exec> 08└─... you'll be first up against the wall. But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers.
[02:54:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:56] <exec> 08└─As i said in my editor's note... There will be a proper UK election story soon, there has been a lot of coverage in the online editorial form, but very little in the way of actual confirmed details of the results... What was confirmed, the 'confidence and supply deal' with the DUP was retracted. The...
[02:54:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:54:59] <exec> 08└─Well now we know MDC is a UEL. United Empire Loyalist. Relocate to Canada while your Queen has a few years of life still in her.
[02:55:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:01] <exec> 08└─Been following it fairly closely. May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result. May and her party, the conservatives*, had a decent majority. *Think old school Republican's At this point Corbyn, the leader of the Labour* party, was (quite liter...
[02:55:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:03] <exec> 08└─Probably because you are too connected to US space? The two stories are different by implications.
[02:55:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:05] <exec> 08└─No hard feelings either.
[02:55:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:08] <exec> 08└─only one Politics story per day
[02:55:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:10] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt
[02:55:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:13] <exec> 08└─This bullshit apology story just ate the Politics quota for today? If martyb weren't a complete utter disingenuous cunt, he would have put this shit under Meta where it belongs. What a fucking cunt.
[02:55:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:15] <exec> 08└─There is no hard limit, but we do try to maintain a focus on technology and science. In my opinion there is such a wide intersection where politics meets science and technology. Your submitted story is a good example of this. We should have some focus on political stories that actually have some wid...
[02:55:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:18] <exec> 08└─I decided to leave it in Politics. The reason for this is... If you have Politics unchecked in your preferences, then you would not have seen the original story anyway so it's irrelevant to your use of the site. If you're an AC then it doesn't matter either, as you can't set preferences. I could hav...
[02:55:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:21] <exec> 08└─Don't we have the nexus so people can avoid Politics if they wish?
[02:55:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:23] <exec> 08└─Keep up the good work Marty and everyone else. Yeah, I know... ass-hat will come along now and say something unkind.
[02:55:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:25] <exec> 08└─Agreed, if you're going to open your borders to packs of wild animals, then you might as well admit those wild animals who have decent music and rum and love bikes and guns. That being said, we should be the ones offering to pay other nations to take Puerto Rico from us.
[02:55:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:27] <exec> 08└─Says the boy who never made a mistake, ever.
[02:55:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:29] <exec> 08└─> Coverage has been very ... muted. Gee, I wonder where you get your international news? Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet (NE USA), and even more after midnight when that FM station switches over to the BBC World Service. I often play this BBC news on the clock radio sleep timer...
[02:55:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03woodcruft [6528] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:32] <exec> 08└─Although it's appreciated. I guess the audience for this site is largely from IT but it doesn't mean we have no interest in other matters and on occasion you get times when a pile of say important political events happen, like recently. In the past year we have seen a number of seismic political e...
[02:55:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:34] <exec> 08└─May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result.
[02:55:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:36] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[02:55:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:38] <exec> 08└─I 2nd this. MartyB, you contribute so much to this website, and through it, us, that I can only thank you for posting what you feel is important. As always I have the power to skim past it; but I'd rather it be there in the 1st place, giving me that option. Thank you!
[02:55:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Empyrean [5241] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:41] <exec> 08└─No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians...
[02:55:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:43] <exec> 08└─Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet Pacifica Radio in SoCal for the previous week (and more). [archive.li] (orig; Will age rapidly) [kpfk.org] Scroll to Friday June 9 and the 2 hosts (Brad and Suzi) who made the effort to type in some comments show evidence of their coverage. Other...
[02:55:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:45] <exec> 08└─One "Oh shit" wipes out a thousand Attaboys. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[02:55:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:47] <exec> 08└─I don't see what all the fuss was about. It's an interesting thought, and I'm glad martyb tried it--lumping the political stories of the day into one. I'm not convinced it's wrong. There is a real dilemma we have here, of scope and identity. I expect some difficulty as we figure it out. More importa...
[02:55:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:49] <exec> 08└─the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state.
[02:55:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:52] <exec> 08└─I completely concur. Of course, there is also the minor matter of the requisite accompanying penalty [youtube.com].
[02:55:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:55] <exec> 08└─Agreed. It's good to change behavior but it takes balls to admit you were wrong. Thanks for all your work martyb!
[02:55:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:57] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time."
[02:55:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:55:59] <exec> 08└─The only major opponent to the Conservatives and analogous to the Democrats.
[02:56:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:03] <exec> 08└─In politics they have a word for the honesty and intellectual maturity to admit a mistake: "weakness".
[02:56:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:05] <exec> 08└─Don't sweat it, martyb. You work hard for the community. Folks who criticized it could mix their feedback with pitching in a bit. Many hands make for light work, but also in an all volunteer effort like this it separates productive feedback from deleterious carping. Or they could ignore the Politics...
[02:56:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:07] <exec> 08└─muted in a relative sense. news.google.com shows exactly one story about the current UK situation on the right side "Britain's PM May to face her party amid post-election tumult - Reuters Staff" Meanwhile there's about two dozen Trump Derangement Syndrome rants, two Apple posts one about WWDC last w...
[02:56:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:09] <exec> 08└─The Left-right dichotomy is completely worthless, especially now, in defining American politics. The two parties have the exact same policies but with different target audiences. It is particularly ridiculous now since the Republicans just elected a hard core liberal democrat to president, and the o...
[02:56:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:12] <exec> 08└─First, you need to drain the swamp, don't you?
[02:56:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:14] <exec> 08└─But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers. Namespace Pollution: If you use the word "conservative" in a political thread about UK and US politics at the same time, what do you actually mean?
[02:56:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:16] <exec> 08└─I am a cunt, martyb is an honorable gentleman. Hmmm...is that a UK cunt, or a US one?
[02:56:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:25] <exec> 08└─... it says grant winners
[02:56:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:27] <exec> 08└─> before election: I will defend French interests in Europe, The World, And This Quadrant Of The Galaxy > after election: yo, señorita, want a grant?
[02:56:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:29] <exec> 08└─Maricón has already imported thousands of foreign scientists. [express.co.uk]
[02:56:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:31] <exec> 08└─Is he offering a reduction in terrorism-related loss of limbs/property insurance? That would surely make moving to France less problematic.
[02:56:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:34] <exec> 08└─Statistically you are more likely to kill yourself, deliberately, than to be killed by a terrorist.
[02:56:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:36] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case. More's the pity.
[02:56:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:38] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case.
[02:56:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:40] <exec> 08└─"I also married my molester"
[02:56:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:42] <exec> 08└─It might well be in France's interest to have the world's top scientists there.
[02:56:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:45] <exec> 08└─It looks like France has decided to compete with Canada, then. The Canadian government has also told scientists they are welcome. And maybe we'll both be competing with California.
[02:56:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:47] <exec> 08└─Make America Great Again is a rediculus slogan because the past was less great than the present for a lot of people, including non-whites and women. That criticism also applies to Macaroni's version.
[02:56:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:49] <exec> 08└─You're more likely to commit suicide(19.5/100000) than to be killed by a drunk driver(5/100000)...does that mean drunk driving isn't a big deal too?
[02:56:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03fierce [4087] (Score: 1) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:51] <exec> 08└─Obviously the parent poster was refering to killing yourself by accident.
[02:56:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:53] <exec> 08└─Yes, under the ideal and unrealistic condition that they have no ties with country of origin. How easy it is to force a scientist to pass classified data to his country of origin where his family lives? Do you recall the intranet hacking Chinese interns of some time ago?
[02:56:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 469 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:56] <exec> 08└─MAGA is a problem because the cows have escaped. If America got selfish around the Clinton era, they would have pushed the rest of the world in the second world or less. But America and URSS are globalists' inventions like China and Africa. The pattern you will recognize in all of those places is th...
[02:56:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:56:58] <exec> 08└─Oh shit, the American scientists might tell America how to fight climate change! The horror!
[02:56:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:00] <exec> 08└─The research gets done, and we save a lot of money on the research.
[02:57:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:11] <exec> 08└─Fake news arose as soon as trump entered the scene. Coincidence? I think not. Donald is tweeting at 3AM for one reason only. He stays up and writes all of the fake news you see.
[02:57:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:13] <exec> 08└─Fake news pointed out those other evil Fake news supported by alternative facts. But be assured, I can now announce: Reality is over. You can relax!
[02:57:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Disagree) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:15] <exec> 08└─The average human is as dumb as a pile of bricks, and roughly half of humans are even dumber than that. That is why democracy is a terrible idea; it gives equal voices to unequal people. Capitalism is the only real solution: The weight of a person's "vote" depends on how productive that person's pre...
[02:57:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:17] <exec> 08└─Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right? It always surprises me that people who argue for exclusion always argue from the point of view that /they/ will remain in the group of the powerful. They never seem to grasp that -looking back at our history- it will backfire and they...
[02:57:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:19] <exec> 08└─Try again.
[02:57:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:22] <exec> 08└─You're confusing an industrial era financing technology arguably past its prime with a political system. You're better off with a nice monarchy, neoreactionary style. Like the brits but with teeth.
[02:57:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:24] <exec> 08└─the US science community
[02:57:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:26] <exec> 08└─How does a monarchy have anything to do with ensuring that future decisions are likely made by people who have had a history of making profitable decisions? Indeed, a monarchy (especially one with "teeth") is based on the principle of coercion, rather than on voluntary agreement in advance of intera...
[02:57:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 692 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:28] <exec> 08└─I can't believe there's so much disinformation out there against climate change! Don't these people know that there's already scientific consensus? As we all know, once a bunch of scientists agree on something, it's fact and you can't argue anymore. So if Al Gore tells us that the polar ice caps are...
[02:57:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:30] <exec> 08└─Hmm, informal list of attributes the king should have: PhilosopherHealing hands (this one is important! you have to have healing hands to be king, you know)In-depth knowledge of swallows
[02:57:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:33] <exec> 08└─The average human USian is as dumb as a pile of bricks
[02:57:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:57:35] <exec> 08└─Bullshit. Stupidity is universal. Just look at the political turmoil in the EU as one example.
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[03:30:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 736 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:30:47] <exec> 08└─Basically, that money will be wasted, because the prison system is governmental and will therefore just swallow up private resources without being transformed appreciably (NO. There is is NO SUCH THING as a "private" prison; they all suck dependently at government's tax-dollar teat!). Why is art...
[03:30:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:30:49] <exec> 08└─I'll take that $165 million and you can't jail me because it would be incarceration. Hey listen up! Free tunes on me! I put $1000 in the jukebox for everybody except since I'm paying I get to choose the first ten songs. What do you mean you don't like my choice of music and I'm banned for life? Wher...
[03:30:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 771 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:30:51] <exec> 08└─It seems like Agnes Gund is a heavy hitter in the NY City art scene. Here is the original version of her Wiki page, from 22 January 2011 -- and as expected for a new page, it was tagged by Wiki editors as needing work, https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia....
[03:30:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:30:53] <exec> 08└─The reform project would put angry young black men back on the streets, so no, it will not be allowed to happen.
[03:31:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:01] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors makes me want one of these CPU's - NOT!!
[03:31:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:04] <exec> 08└─You're nominated to join the team as the designated whistleblower who checks for backdoors. Now take these coupons for discount hookers and get lost until your report is due. The young people have innovation to do.
[03:31:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:06] <exec> 08└─I cannot blame anyone whatsoever for whatever conspiracy theories they may have about surveillance at this point. So not going to try to address that. But it is a shame that this is something we have to give a shit about in the first place. The concept in itself seems pretty interesting and yet woul...
[03:31:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:08] <exec> 08└─I'm trying to figure out how this will be used. The summary didn't help me very much which called for extraordinary efforts, so I read the fine article. And I'm still confused. Can one of our resident experts provide a car analogy?
[03:31:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:16] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[03:31:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1072 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:19] <exec> 08└─Playing the original Burnout games was a lot of fun, not sure how well they stand up today. Carmageddon and Twisted Metal were some of my favorite games of that era... I think best left to the memories. You could perhaps look into the FlatOut series for that type of thing. In my opinion, the racing/...
[03:31:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:21] <exec> 08└─For a long time, it was absolutely taboo for ads to show the car destroyed, because the viewer has to dream of the pretty shapes, not rationalize the much-touted safety features and resultant mess. I remember hearing when they had one of the first ever human-driven crashes in an ad (note that many s...
[03:31:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:23] <exec> 08└─Trackmania series, for the arcade feel. Dirt (4, rallye) for more realism. Not interested in the list by realistic track racing games, so I can't help you there.
[03:31:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:25] <exec> 08└─Both should be cheap used, and it doesn't require online activation. I personally preferred The Pre-Undercover NFS games (Shift games were alright with a steering wheel, but I was tired of DRM by the time they came out, so I didn't end up buying them. Everybody I know who tried to play them with a c...
[03:31:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:27] <exec> 08└─There was a PS3 racing game, Grid 3 or something. I did everything needed at the first level but didn't have the points to get to the second level. Did everything I could to gain points, could not get enough for level 2. Sold the game, then got it at the library for a week for $0. Same result, can't...
[03:31:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:30] <exec> 08└─There's a new Gran Turismo for PS4 coming out in December.
[03:31:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:32] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't buy this game simply because it uses them. It's not that hard to just fictionalize the cars and tell the brands to pound sand, lots of other games do that. When you start playing product placement games you lose me from your audience.
[03:31:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:34] <exec> 08└─So is this about computer-game-physics-crash-porn or product placement? I can't really tell. Personally I still remember Outrun as the Arcade game when you got to sit in the Red (plastic) Ferrari, that was nice. The crash physics sucked tho if you compare it to today but it was still fun.
[03:31:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:42] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[03:31:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:45] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[03:31:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:47] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[03:31:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:49] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[03:31:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:51] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[03:31:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:54] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[03:31:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:31:56] <exec> 08└─even the easy MIPS stuff
[03:32:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:05] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[03:32:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:08] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[03:32:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:10] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[03:32:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:12] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[03:32:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:14] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[03:32:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:16] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[03:32:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:19] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[03:32:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:21] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[03:32:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:23] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[03:32:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:25] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[03:32:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:28] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[03:32:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:30] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[03:32:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:32] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[03:32:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:34] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[03:32:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:37] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[03:32:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:39] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[03:32:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:41] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[03:32:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:43] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[03:32:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:46] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[03:32:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:48] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[03:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:50] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[03:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:52] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[03:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:54] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[03:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:57] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[03:32:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:59] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:01] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[03:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:03] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[03:33:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:06] <exec> 08└─You can make it a hard problem by cutting weight, volume, and power until it stops working. Also to be honest a lot of 70s crashes semi-CFIT they just blamed the hell out of the pilot for being a dumbass. Now a days a dude augers in and cheap cameras everywhere means they play back the video where t...
[03:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:08] <exec> 08└─100 $100M planes or 1000 $10M planes the profits the same but pilot survival is higher in the latter.
[03:33:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:10] <exec> 08└─That was F22, and it ground the whole fleet of them.
[03:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:12] <exec> 08└─I googled up some relevant articles https://www.flightglobal.com [flightglobal.com] http://www.airforce-technology.com [airforce-technology.com] https://www.usnews.com
[03:33:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:14] <exec> 08└─Yeah right [youtube.com]....
[03:33:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:17] <exec> 08└─Turn 'em into UAVs. Then they'll get their money's worth. Why are we still sending pilots up anyway?
[03:33:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:19] <exec> 08└─Your math is a little bit to simple. You have to factor in *WHO* gets the money, and how much they get. The F35 has it's very own system of graft and corruption, and going back to the older, more proven aircraft would have cut some important people out of the loop. It's easy to hide a lot of money l...
[03:33:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:21] <exec> 08└─I'm not so sure about all those claims for cost per hour. Let's consider automobiles for a minute. A new car generally runs pretty cheaply, because it needs little to no maintenance. Assuming you pay cash, you have a big payment upfront, then you drive for two to four years, quite cheaply. When you...
[03:33:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:30] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[03:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:33] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[03:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:35] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[03:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:37] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[03:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:39] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[03:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:42] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[03:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:44] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[03:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:46] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[03:33:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:48] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[03:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:51] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[03:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:53] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[03:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:55] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[03:33:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:57] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[03:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:00] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[03:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:02] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[03:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:04] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[03:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:06] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[03:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:09] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[03:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:11] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[03:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:13] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[03:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:15] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[03:34:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:18] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[03:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:20] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[03:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:22] <exec> 08└─And "wingdings" are a problem because...? I might sympatize with an idea than combining characters wasn't as good of an idea as some thought it would be, but this? If you don't need those you just don't use them.
[03:34:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:24] <exec> 08└─I once looked forward to UTF with longing. It would be so great to be able to use "æ" instead of having to cludge "ae" for example. But it's become so overrun with nonsense it almost seems like a bad idea in retrospect. ASCII wasn't perfect but at least we were spared all these wingnuts.
[03:34:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:26] <exec> 08└─Yeah here's the problem - you can't keep other people from using them. And it opens all kinds of problems. For one big field of examples consider the implications of using these things in filenames. No, a text encoding system needs to encode text. It needs to encode the regular symbols used in writi...
[03:34:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:35] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[03:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:37] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[03:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:39] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[03:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:41] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[03:34:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:44] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[03:34:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:46] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[03:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:48] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[03:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:50] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[03:34:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:53] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[03:34:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:34:55] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[03:35:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:04] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[03:35:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:06] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[03:35:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:08] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[03:35:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:10] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[03:35:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:13] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[03:35:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:15] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[03:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:17] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[03:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:19] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[03:35:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:21] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[03:35:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:24] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[03:35:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 5, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:26] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[03:35:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:28] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[03:35:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:30] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[03:35:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:32] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[03:35:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:35] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[03:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:37] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[03:35:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:39] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[03:35:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:41] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[03:35:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:43] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[03:35:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:46] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[03:35:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:48] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[03:35:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:50] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[03:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:52] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[03:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:54] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[03:35:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:57] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[03:35:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:59] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[03:36:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:01] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[03:36:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:03] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[03:36:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:06] <exec> 08└─> Google indicates human powered hydrofoil is a thing and 21 MPH is achievable. Yep, I was part of the group that ran the human powered watercraft speed prizes. We had DuPont as a sponsor and eventually gave away $35K over 4 years, c.1990. I also got to pedal a couple of the different hydrofoils and...
[03:36:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:15] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[03:36:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:17] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[03:36:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:19] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[03:36:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:21] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[03:36:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:23] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[03:36:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:26] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[03:36:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Interesting) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:28] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[03:36:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:30] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[03:36:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:32] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[03:36:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:34] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[03:36:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:36] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[03:36:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:39] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[03:36:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:41] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[03:36:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:43] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[03:36:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:45] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[03:36:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:48] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[03:36:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:50] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[03:36:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:52] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[03:36:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:54] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[03:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:56] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[03:36:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:36:59] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[03:37:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:01] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[03:37:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:03] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[03:37:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:05] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[03:37:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:08] <exec> 08└─Your demo fails when you add the PS2 slim and the PS4 pro. The point of the weird monikers is that all XBox "One" should be compatible games-wise. But my mom would get lost and wait for the boys to write down the exact thing needed. Exhibit B: Ask a Spanish speaker (so few of them in the US, right?)...
[03:37:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:18] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[03:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:20] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[03:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:22] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[03:37:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:25] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[03:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:27] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[03:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:29] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[03:37:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:31] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[03:37:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:33] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[03:37:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:36] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[03:37:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:38] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[03:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:40] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[03:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:42] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[03:37:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:44] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[03:37:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:47] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03cockroach [2266] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:49] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[03:37:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:51] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[03:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:53] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[03:37:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:55] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[03:37:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:37:58] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[03:37:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:00] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[03:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:02] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:04] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[03:38:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:06] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[03:38:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:09] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[03:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:11] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[03:38:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:13] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[03:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:15] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[03:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:18] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[03:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:20] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[03:38:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:22] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[03:38:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:24] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[03:38:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:26] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[03:38:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:29] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[03:38:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:31] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[03:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:33] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[03:38:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:35] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[03:38:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:37] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[03:38:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:40] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[03:38:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:42] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[03:38:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:44] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[03:38:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:46] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[03:38:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:48] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[03:38:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:51] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[03:38:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:53] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[03:38:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:55] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[03:38:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:38:57] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[03:38:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:00] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[03:39:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:02] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[03:39:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:04] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[03:39:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:06] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[03:39:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:08] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[03:39:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:10] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[03:39:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:13] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[03:39:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:15] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[03:39:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:17] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[03:39:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:19] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[03:39:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:22] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[03:39:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:24] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[03:39:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:26] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[03:39:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:28] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[03:39:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:30] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[03:39:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:33] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[03:39:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:35] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[03:39:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:37] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[03:39:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:39] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[03:39:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:42] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[03:39:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:44] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[03:39:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:46] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[03:39:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:48] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[03:39:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:50] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[03:39:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:53] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[03:39:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:55] <exec> 08└─Someone who is scared off by an interesting name is probably not the ideal user for Linux. Folks who think that Lubuntu is weird would also think that Ubuntu was weird. Some folks are curious enough to Google that. [google.com] Lubuntu could be thought of as "Light Ubuntu", suitable for older, less...
[03:39:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:57] <exec> 08└─Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[03:39:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:39:59] <exec> 08└─Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
[03:40:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:02] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[03:40:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:04] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[03:40:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:06] <exec> 08└─You're not seeing good technical justifications because the justifications are shit and don't really go along with how unix commands should work. So it's a hard sell. Essentially: ifconfig didn't have feature X because it only cared about interfaces. ip has Y and Z because those have to do with the...
[03:40:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:16] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[03:40:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:19] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[03:40:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:21] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[03:40:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:23] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[03:40:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:25] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[03:40:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:27] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[03:40:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:30] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[03:40:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:32] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[03:40:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:34] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[03:40:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:36] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[03:40:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:38] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[03:40:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:41] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[03:40:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:43] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[03:40:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:45] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[03:40:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:47] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[03:40:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:50] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[03:40:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:52] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[03:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:54] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[03:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:56] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[03:40:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:40:58] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[03:41:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:00] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[03:41:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:03] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[03:41:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:05] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[03:41:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:07] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[03:41:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:09] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[03:41:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:12] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[03:41:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:14] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[03:41:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:16] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[03:41:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:18] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[03:41:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:20] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[03:41:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:22] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[03:41:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:25] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[03:41:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:27] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[03:41:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:29] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[03:41:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:31] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[03:41:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:34] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[03:41:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:36] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[03:41:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:38] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[03:41:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:40] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[03:41:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:42] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[03:41:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:45] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[03:41:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:47] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[03:41:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:49] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[03:41:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:51] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[03:41:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:54] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[03:41:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:56] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[03:41:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:41:58] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[03:41:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:00] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[03:42:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:02] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[03:42:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:05] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[03:42:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:07] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[03:42:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:09] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[03:42:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:11] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[03:42:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:13] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[03:42:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:15] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[03:42:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:18] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[03:42:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:20] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[03:42:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:22] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[03:42:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:24] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[03:42:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:26] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[03:42:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:29] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[03:42:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:31] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[03:42:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:33] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[03:42:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:35] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[03:42:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:37] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[03:42:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:40] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[03:42:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:42] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[03:42:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:44] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[03:42:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:46] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[03:42:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:49] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[03:42:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:51] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[03:42:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:53] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[03:42:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:55] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[03:42:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:57] <exec> 08└─A few months ago I posted my recipe for Cranberry mead here. I'm still waiting for the other half of the swap.
[03:43:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:06] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[03:43:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:08] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[03:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:10] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[03:43:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:12] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[03:43:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:14] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[03:43:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:17] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[03:43:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:19] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[03:43:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:21] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[03:43:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:23] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[03:43:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:26] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[03:43:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:28] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[03:43:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:30] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[03:43:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:32] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[03:43:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:34] <exec> 08└─Nope, censorship is always evil and should be circumvented by any means possible. There is nothing on any part of the internet that can make a person act involuntarily. So stop with the scapegoating. If you find something you consider offensive, tune it out, and teach your damn kids to do the same t...
[03:43:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:46] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[03:43:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:48] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[03:43:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:50] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[03:43:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:52] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[03:43:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:54] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[03:43:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:57] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[03:43:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:43:59] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[03:44:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:01] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[03:44:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:03] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[03:44:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:05] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[03:44:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:08] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[03:44:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:10] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[03:44:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:12] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[03:44:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:14] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[03:44:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:16] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[03:44:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:19] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[03:44:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:21] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[03:44:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:23] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[03:44:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:25] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[03:44:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:28] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[03:44:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:30] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[03:44:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:32] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[03:44:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:34] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[03:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:36] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[03:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:38] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[03:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:41] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[03:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:43] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[03:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:45] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[03:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:47] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[03:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:49] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[03:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:52] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[03:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:54] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[03:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:56] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[03:44:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:58] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[03:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:00] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[03:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:03] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[03:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:05] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[03:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:07] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[03:45:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:09] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[03:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:12] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[03:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:14] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[03:45:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:16] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[03:45:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:18] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[03:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:20] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[03:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:22] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[03:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:25] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[03:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:27] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[03:45:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:29] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[03:45:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:31] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[03:45:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:33] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[03:45:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:36] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[03:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:38] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[03:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:40] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[03:45:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:42] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[03:45:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:44] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[03:45:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:47] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[03:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:49] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[03:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:51] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[03:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:53] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[03:45:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:55] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[03:45:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:58] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[03:45:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:00] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[03:46:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:02] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[03:46:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:04] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[03:46:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:06] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[03:46:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:09] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[03:46:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:11] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[03:46:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:13] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[03:46:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:15] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[03:46:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:17] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[03:46:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:20] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[03:46:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:22] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[03:46:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:24] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[03:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:26] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[03:46:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:29] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[03:46:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:31] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[03:46:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:33] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[03:46:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:35] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[03:46:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:37] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[03:46:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:40] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[03:46:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:42] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[03:46:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:44] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[03:46:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:46] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[03:46:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:48] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[03:46:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:51] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[03:46:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:53] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[03:46:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:55] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[03:46:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:57] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[03:46:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:59] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[03:47:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:02] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[03:47:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:04] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[03:47:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:06] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[03:47:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:08] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[03:47:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:11] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[03:47:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:13] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[03:47:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:15] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[03:47:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:17] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[03:47:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:19] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[03:47:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:22] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[03:47:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:24] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[03:47:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:33] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[03:47:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:35] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[03:47:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:38] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[03:47:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:40] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[03:47:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:42] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[03:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:44] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[03:47:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:46] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[03:47:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:49] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[03:47:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:51] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[03:47:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:53] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[03:47:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:55] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[03:47:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:47:57] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[03:47:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:00] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[03:48:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:02] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[03:48:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:04] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[03:48:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:06] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[03:48:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:08] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[03:48:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:11] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[03:48:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:13] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[03:48:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:15] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[03:48:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:17] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[03:48:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:19] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[03:48:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:22] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[03:48:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:24] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[03:48:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:26] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[03:48:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:28] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[03:48:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:30] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[03:48:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:33] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[03:48:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:35] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[03:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:37] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[03:48:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:39] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[03:48:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:41] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[03:48:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:44] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[03:48:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:46] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[03:48:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:48] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[03:48:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:50] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[03:48:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:52] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[03:48:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:55] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[03:48:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:57] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[03:48:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:48:59] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[03:49:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:01] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[03:49:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:03] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[03:49:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:06] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[03:49:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:08] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[03:49:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:10] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[03:49:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:12] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[03:49:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:15] <exec> 08└─Indeed I did, and that raised an eyebrow. It didn't, however, trigger me...as it seems to have done to you. Runaway, you have some serious unresolved fucking daddy issues, you know that? This weird, slavish authoritarianism coupled with an almost unconscious reactive insistence that you're not actua...
[03:49:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:24] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[03:49:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:26] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[03:49:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:28] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[03:49:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:31] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[03:49:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:33] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[03:49:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:35] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[03:49:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:37] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[03:49:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:39] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[03:49:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:41] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[03:49:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:44] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[03:49:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:46] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[03:49:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:48] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[03:49:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:50] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[03:49:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:52] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[03:49:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:55] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[03:49:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:57] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[03:50:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:08] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[03:50:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:09] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[03:50:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:11] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[03:50:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:14] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[03:50:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:16] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[03:50:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:18] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[03:50:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:20] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[03:50:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:23] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[03:50:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:25] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[03:50:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:27] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[03:50:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:29] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[03:50:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:31] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[03:50:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:34] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[03:50:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:36] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[03:50:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:38] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[03:50:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:40] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[03:50:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:42] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
[03:50:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:45] <exec> 08└─I actually sort of agree with you -- not necessarily that this article shouldn't be here at all (I personally find it interesting), but stuff like this with no tech/science angle at all perhaps should be flagged somehow. This one could probably fall under "politics," since it's pretty clear this was...
[03:50:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:47] <exec> 08└─You are correct. The North had much more industry, much more population, and more food production. The South's only hope was to have the war end quickly, preferably with the support of a foreign power like Britain. The Northern naval blockade prevented that.
[03:50:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:49] <exec> 08└─Robert E. Lee was not a bad general. That much is certain regardless of what this historian wrote. He was more than competent. He did make some mistakes on occasion, such as at the Battle of Gettysburg, which was turned out to be the turning point in the war. But when you consider that he was fighti...
[03:50:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:51] <exec> 08└─Probably should reevaluate Lincoln's decision making as well. Lincoln was dumb enough that he actually wanted Lee to head up the union army.
[03:50:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:53] <exec> 08└─That being said, I don't know much about combat history, but removing statues is bullshit.
[03:50:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:56] <exec> 08└─Not only that, but I think there's different degrees here. For instance, should a statue of General Lee, installed not long after the Civil War by defeated Confederates be removed? Now, should an obelisk built in 1891 to honor a white supremacist group who fought against integration in the New Orlea...
[03:50:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:58] <exec> 08└─I think a good compromise would be to ship all those disgruntled slaves' descendants to Los Angeles and San Francisco with plenty of downtown properties converted to affordable housing for them -- calling it "reparations." It's a win-win situation that also preserves American history.
[03:50:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:00] <exec> 08└─Oh, in addition: I agree that keeping that symbol of injustice seems bad, however how about this suggestion: if the anti-statue-removal people don't want Lee's statue removed, how about if we put statues of Grant and Lincoln right next to it? Would they be in favor of that, or against? Then the desc...
[03:51:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:02] <exec> 08└─Paid for primarily with extra taxes on the southern colonies, right?
[03:51:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:05] <exec> 08└─"oakgrove has 0 submissions" Huh! oakgrove submits nothing, but complains when others do!?! What. A. Surprise.
[03:51:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 734 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:07] <exec> 08└─This happens a lot because the further out you get from a historical event or a person's lifetime, the less control there is over what you dig up. New letters surface and people are willing to say things about dictators that weren't safe to say while the tyrant was in control of the country. But, af...
[03:51:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:09] <exec> 08└─No, what are you, racist or something? Refugees Welcome, as some people like to say.
[03:51:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:11] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. That sounds awfully like political correctness to me. Did your account get hacked?
[03:51:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:13] <exec> 08└─It lost! Get over it!
[03:51:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:16] <exec> 08└─right next to it, and bigger and much more prominent roo, perhaps looking down with a look of pity mixed with scorn as well. Especially Sherman.
[03:51:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:18] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but let's remember also the huge symbolism that Arlington National Cemetery is... it was Robt E Lee's estate before the Civil War..
[03:51:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:20] <exec> 08└─Also, Bamiyan statues need to be removed for they stand for the glory of infidels and non-believers who. thankfully, we have stoned to death long time ago. All praise the almighty Allah!
[03:51:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:22] <exec> 08└─Tech nexus, politics nexus, general/other nexus? Start using nexus' more so those who want to see certain stuff can opt in or out of categories. Maybe make tech the "default" nexus with others hidden so we don't have to have crybabies whining in every political/non-tech article and let the those tha...
[03:51:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:24] <exec> 08└─So did American Indians. Yet I'm sure you're not snidely saying the same thing to them, dickhead.
[03:51:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:27] <exec> 08└─Lee and most Confederate Generals apparently thought that they were still going up against swordsmen or smooth-bore muskets in the 1860s. The rifled firearms and minnie balls of the era could cut a force to pieces at a range of hundreds of yards--not to mention grapeshot and cannister rounds from ar...
[03:51:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:29] <exec> 08└─No, it's not. It should have been done a long, long time ago.
[03:51:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:31] <exec> 08└─James Burke [google.com] should have been writing those History books. Howard Zinn [google.com] is another guy who -did- write History books--and didn't just repeat the White-people-are-awesome myths. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:51:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:33] <exec> 08└─You don't even need to say "broadly". The Civil War was about which commanders could best use technology. They mostly did a shit job, choosing attrition. Lee, in particular. See my comment #524126 [soylentnews.org]. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:51:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:36] <exec> 08└─>But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job" The allegation in the actual article was that Lee was a failed strategist, and it's hard to disagree given the strategic choices laid out (namely making it an offensive war). Tactically yes, Lee was good; there was a reaso...
[03:51:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:38] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad idea at all. Sort of reminds me of the Confederate memorial on Martha's Vineyard. "WHAT?!" you say, "Another confederate memorial in Massachusetts? I thought Charlie Baker wanted to tear down the "only one" [bostonmagazine.com]." Nope. There's a much more interesting confederate mem...
[03:51:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:40] <exec> 08└─In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!
[03:51:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:42] <exec> 08└─Sometimes, great men are forced to make decisions that they don't like. Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his home state. Big difference there. Of course, today's politically correct crowd are incapable of distinguishing the difference. Another great man who should be honored, but is not,...
[03:51:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:44] <exec> 08└─Agreed. I never heard of those insurrectionists, until recently. They mean nothing to me, and I can't even be assed to do the minimal research that might make them mean something. Trash the obelisk, I don't care. No one outside of New Orleans - certainly no one outside Louisiana cares about it.
[03:51:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:46] <exec> 08└─Tell you what, I'll put up a statue of Grant next to Lee's if you put a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Lincoln Memorial. Deal?
[03:51:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:49] <exec> 08└─Has no one ever informed you that it was YOUR FAULT that you never studied recent American history? For my part, we, as a class, never really studied WWII. I, personally, devoted uncounted hours to studying Hitler, the Third Reich, the officers, and the Holocaust, BEFORE I graduated from high school...
[03:51:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:51] <exec> 08└─Another great man who should be honored, but is not, is Erwin Rommel. Rommel was among the most honorable men in Germany
[03:51:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:53] <exec> 08└─What I meant by "technical" there wasn't necessarily technology, but I guess something more like "academic" or "nerdy" rather than articles just on random pop culture topics or recipes for souffle (unless the souffle article details the science behind them or something).
[03:51:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:55] <exec> 08└─Let me add a little to your perspective. The Grand Old Army, that is the Union Army, was infested with incompetent officers who were appointed for political reasons, and due to family connections, when the war began. Incompetent fools were dismissed and replaced repeatedly for the first couple years...
[03:51:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:57] <exec> 08└─Thank you for that. I've heard of Mackensen, but know almost nothing about him. I had never heard of this monument before. My studies have been from the Anglo point of view, most of the time. There was a time, when good officers were taught to respect the enemy. If the enemy could make you bleed, he...
[03:51:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:00] <exec> 08└─My post is much like your own: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] Grant was pretty damned good, but without Sherman, Grant's efforts would have been much more costly to the North.
[03:52:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:02] <exec> 08└─LoL, nice to know that the "obama was just as bad" concept isn't anything new. Lincoln was to Lee as Obama is to Trump? We can only hope that this generation's flaming bigot falls even harder.
[03:52:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:04] <exec> 08└─What we choose to honor and given public space speaks a lot about our culture. Move these statues to the local museum of shame. "Look kids, here are some of our bigger fuck ups, please learn from their mistakes."
[03:52:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:06] <exec> 08└─Pickett's Charge was just stupid. Frontal assaults on dug-in troops in 1863 was suicide.[1] Lee telling Pickett to have his division cross hundreds of yards of of open ground wasn't tactically or strategically[2] smart.
[03:52:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:09] <exec> 08└─His statue is a symbol of everything the South stood for, including slavery.
[03:52:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:11] <exec> 08└─Lee was exactly the sort of general the South wanted. The whole Southern Gentleman propaganda pushed for an aggressive style of war. They wanted not just to win the war, but to win it in a very manly way with glorious victory after glorious victory. Stupid, but then, it was stupid to have started th...
[03:52:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:13] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid, by 1914 the generals STILL hadn't figured out that it was stupid and now there were MACHINE GUNS. As long as commanders were actually -leading- their forces, the stupidity had a natural limiting factor. (The stupid commanders were killed in battle.) The...
[03:52:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:15] <exec> 08└─Well, you got 2 of the words right. G.A.R. == Grand Army of the Republic -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:52:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:17] <exec> 08└─http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/040218.html [genealogytoday.com] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] "The "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR) was a fraternal organization composed of veterans of the Union Army" Please don't confuse a fraternity with the...
[03:52:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:20] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid
[03:52:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:22] <exec> 08└─Lee wouldn't have been a tyrant at any point so that restriction doesn't apply. And after the war, perhaps former Confederate sources might be circumspect due to social pressures, but Union ones wouldn't be so affected. It appears that there was a great deal of respect on the Union side for the man...
[03:52:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:24] <exec> 08└─Welp, jmorris can't possibly disagree with you on everything. It's natural bias for him to sound more reasonable when he agrees with you than when he disagrees.
[03:52:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:26] <exec> 08└─Wikipedia is a genuine wonder of the world when it comes to stuff like this. It's by necessity a bit superficial, but can quickly tell you who did what, even bit players. This can lead to the discovery of connections that normal discourse on history tends to gloss over. For example, one of the most...
[03:52:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:28] <exec> 08└─Germany lost WWI and beating them up for it didn't work out so well. So there was a do over called WWII. This rewriting of history to feel better is not a smart move. It's kind of like asking for a ham fisted do over on the reconciliation that made a United States after the civil war. PC is not alwa...
[03:52:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:31] <exec> 08└─The problem with a policy of censorship because they're not progressive enough is there is no logical limit. We'll have to bulldoze over the washington monument because he owned slaves, and nuke the city of Rome from orbit just to be sure because the Roman Empire was rather problematic. We gotta bul...
[03:52:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:33] <exec> 08└─And most history should be like that, less focused on Great Men
[03:52:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:35] <exec> 08└─I'm tolerable good at analogies. I'll try to squirt out two good ones. This is similar to endless Monday morning quarterbacking about how "640K should be enough for anyone" and all that crap. I was THERE in the old days and a lot of stuff didn't last very long so planning for the future was really s...
[03:52:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:37] <exec> 08└─Your comment is underrated in that it was a confusing era to live thru and a bit of hero worship of Lee was important to healing the military, post war. Before the war the army was one big happy family, right? Then for a couple years a family feud. Then in theory one big happy family again. Thats go...
[03:52:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:40] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[03:52:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:42] <exec> 08└─People are already trying to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson and other prominent figures that weren't on the side of the Confederacy or even involved in the Civil War. It's only a matter of time before the only thing people are taught about US history is that old white men are bad.
[03:52:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:44] <exec> 08└─He doesn't have a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because he was the greatest general ever. He has a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because "fuck you, you goddamn yankees!"
[03:52:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:46] <exec> 08└─I've got a different idea for a compromise. Get all those people who still support the "Southern Culture" of the antebellum US South. That is gather all the people together that support keeping and creating statues celebrating a culture that enslaves humans beings, a culture that believed in enslavi...
[03:52:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:49] <exec> 08└─Plus, Lincoln told England that if they didn't stop trading with the south he would consider that an act of war. It could have been a different outcome if England had said piss off and continued supplying the south. What was Lincoln going to do, fight two wars at the same time?
[03:52:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:51] <exec> 08└─Why should a traitor get a statue in the nation's capital? Honestly, I think the Union did the wrong thing by re-admitting the Southern states. They should have remained occupied territory, with their citizens always kept as second-class citizens. If they still haven't figured out after over 150 yea...
[03:52:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:53] <exec> 08└─I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, though I don't claim to be a military historian, so I'm not really going to weigh in on the details. My objection was primarily with the overall tone of the article (specifically its headline and conclusion). Yes, a lot of the concerns about strategy in...
[03:52:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:55] <exec> 08└─I submitted it weeks ago on a slow news day. Many american geeks like to obsess about two wars, WWII and the American Civil War. I thought the SN crowd might enjoy responding to the article's premise.
[03:52:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:57] <exec> 08└─Yep, 'cause not celebrating someone is the exact same thing as systematically removing him from the history books.
[03:52:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:52:59] <exec> 08└─Give them time...
[03:53:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:02] <exec> 08└─Actually, from a liberal perspective it is more important to leave the history intact so that people can learn from their mistakes. But hey, I'm responding to VLM so this is all gibberish apparently.
[03:53:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:04] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[03:53:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:06] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the statue of Benjamin Franklin Butler.
[03:53:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:08] <exec> 08└─You been snorting crack again?
[03:53:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:10] <exec> 08└─You know, it's amazing. There were two Buddha statues in Afghanistan, a pair of twin Buddha statues. And in New York City, there were the two twin towers of the World Trade Center. And both sets were destroyed by Islam, by radical Islam. Mullah Omar said no, don't blow up the statues. But the radica...
[03:53:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:13] <exec> 08└─You know, Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee. And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew J...
[03:53:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:15] <exec> 08└─This right here. He held his own very well and gave more than he got against an in all ways superior force that was being woefully mismanaged. The problem the Lincoln administration had was the Army he inherited was a political thing not a fighting force. That took time to fix. Ironically, Lee was o...
[03:53:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:17] <exec> 08└─History is what people repeat about the past - not an accurate, complete, nor unbiased account of anything. BTW, this story seems to be rebel-baiting.
[03:53:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:19] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[03:53:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:22] <exec> 08└─Now - I wonder if you can identify the politician who ran for office in the United States, who enjoyed the fruits of slave black labor?
[03:53:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:24] <exec> 08└─Ahhhh - relativism. If it's not been made illegal, then it's not so bad. Or less bad. Excusable, anyway. Got it. Anyway, here's one lady's take on the issue: https://kmgarcia2000.blogspot.com [blogspot.com]
[03:53:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:26] <exec> 08└─That's a gross mis-characterization of what I wrote.
[03:53:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:35] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[03:53:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:37] <exec> 08└─The dd utility is part of any respectable *NIX distribution and first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. https://www.freebsd.org(1) [freebsd.org] http://man7.org [man7.org] That said, it is not unheard of to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's...
[03:53:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:39] <exec> 08└─it was mentioned that dd (sometimes referred to as Data Dump), an app that comes with pretty much every Linux distro,
[03:53:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:41] <exec> 08└─Mint users are pretty much Windows users, never mind that Mint as a distro is bug-ridden gobshite and I have no idea how it got hyped to the point it did. Still, they need tools that are easy-to-understand if not one-click solutions. Not fifty-million goddamn options that 99% of people don't even us...
[03:53:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:44] <exec> 08└─I miss reading those Microsoft help websites where MS techs only give you notebook scripted answers instead of getting to a solution. Q: "My mouse won't work" A: :First run your antivirus, then check for updates, then restart your PC, and if that doesn't fix it reinstall Windows.
[03:53:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:46] <exec> 08└─Your Mint experience is nothing like mine. I have been using Mint for about 2 years and have never had a problem, with the notable exception of a Bluetooth mouse that stopped working. I think I started with version 17.0 and have just upgraded every time a new release happened, so I must be on 18.1 n...
[03:53:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:48] <exec> 08└─You'd think that a bootable USB image of Linux would Just Work nowadays, nope! Still gotta fuck with options when writing the image , then again fuck with boot options to get it to boot.
[03:53:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:50] <exec> 08└─+1 positive mint experience. Mint was my introduction to Linux as a desktop OS. Coming from Windows, Cinnamon was a very comfortable DTE and matching shortcuts for things like minimising/maximising was nice when doing the boring day to day desktop stuff: browsing the internet, reading email, typing...
[03:53:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:52] <exec> 08└─Clem's response to Kim, linked as tools [linuxmint.com] says simply extract the img image from the ZIP and then right-click it and select "Make bootable USB stick"
[03:53:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:55] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[03:53:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:57] <exec> 08└─OK. dd is an internal command, not a separate executable file. So, "app" isn't the ideal word; "command" would have been better. There's no requirement for the guy who compiled -your- kernel to include it, so there's a possibility that it's not there to be run. There are a scad of interpretations/ex...
[03:53:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:53:59] <exec> 08└─On my Linux system, dd is an executable file. Specifically, /bin/dd Or has systemd managed to screw even that up?
[03:54:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:01] <exec> 08└─Hmmm, yeah. There that sucker is. That would seem to strike 1 of the sighs. (It's still possible to omit it.) ...as well as the assertion of another commenter about its app-ness. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:54:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:03] <exec> 08└─You're tiresome.
[03:54:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:05] <exec> 08└─It comes with proprietary software out of the box (not limited to firmware) and its repositories don't separate free software from proprietary. Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[03:54:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:08] <exec> 08└─...to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's configuration utility. This was very common in the days DOS was still around,..
[03:54:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:10] <exec> 08└─Garmin GPS - Windows only for updates. Canon scanner - Windows only software (slide scanning) Mac support, sometimes. Linux, sadly, an afterthought. We are after all, only 2% of the world 'market', but we are the 2% what make it happen and who know stuff. 98% sheep don't make it the right technology...
[03:54:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:12] <exec> 08└─dd has nothing to do with the kernel, so whoever did what when building the kernel is irrelevant. Under GNU/Linux distributions, it's in the coreutils package.
[03:54:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:14] <exec> 08└─Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[03:54:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:16] <exec> 08└─Not always. When I needed to update the BIOS on my Pentium 4 motherboard, I got a DOS executable. I downloaded a floppy image of OpenDOS, which worked fine for the job.
[03:54:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:19] <exec> 08└─The only Windows-only tool that is mentioned in the article is the tool Win32DiskImager. I never before even heard of that tool, but yet it is very obvious what it is used for: To make a bootable USB stick from the disk image provided. Now obviously for a computer marketed specifically for Linux, it...
[03:54:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:21] <exec> 08└─I agree that "command" would have been a more appropriate word, but for different reasons. As others noted, dd is indeed an executable file. However in my book an app (or application) is a program which is controlled through its UI (doesn't need to be a GUI; the point is that you first start the pro...
[03:54:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:23] <exec> 08└─But when the doggie-doo hits the BIOS fan, they only have one tool in their toolbox.
[03:54:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zyx Abacab [3701] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:25] <exec> 08└─If systemd's `rm -r .*` walks up the entire filesystem-hierarchy, you can fully expect systemd's `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3` to nuke all your hard disks, flash drives, blank DVDs, network shares, and brain-cells. That behaviour is just an ordinary UNIX pitfall, no? [github.com]
[03:54:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 634 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:28] <exec> 08└─I really do not know how much manufacturers use Windows bios update tools; I do not use Windows much. If I had to implement something of the sort, FreeDOS is likely what I would use as well. That said, the procedures referred to above seem to call for Win32 Disk Imager, a utility built for Windows...
[03:54:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:30] <exec> 08└─Nothing that a 8G USB stick won't fix.
[03:54:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:32] <exec> 08└─cannot be used easily from a desktop environment Your exception actually means that a commandline invoked executable are very easy to use from a desktop environment, with the commandline switches it is in fact often easier than hunting through ever increasing levels of menus with a mouse. This is es...
[03:54:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:34] <exec> 08└─*sh are not terminals, but shells. Terminals (or rather, terminal emulators) are xterm, konsole and Gnome-Terminal. And no, I don't consider running commands from a terminal window as "running from a desktop environment". The terminal runs on the desktop environment. The command runs on the terminal...
[03:54:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:43] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians - perhaps even those mentioned in the three combined stories - were so quick to recognize (possible) mistakes and were s...
[03:54:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 2023 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:46] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable "Trump Derangement Syndrome" victimposting combined with a bit of humor. I mean, for any random comment in three stories couldn't it appear in the other two almost unchanged? Colo had something insightful on that...
[03:54:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:48] <exec> 08└─I submitted the thing about the UK elections - I was surprised no one else had as it has been quite a big thing in the UK. I was a bit cheesed off that it got lumped in with the FBI stuff, but figured it was just a bad judgement. No problem. Thanks for the apology.
[03:54:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:50] <exec> 08└─That's a man's admission, not a boy's... MartyB, you're all right, you are... it takes guts to do this. You did and you learned from it. Please continue your contributions, they are valued!
[03:54:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:52] <exec> 08└─Kill yourself now.
[03:54:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:54] <exec> 08└─His Words: "Brexit is coming."
[03:54:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:57] <exec> 08└─Amid all this hoopla, Puerto Rico is voting today (Sunday 6/11/17) on whether to seek full statehood. http://www.npr.org [npr.org] You would think, with all the press, they would be trying to...
[03:54:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:54:59] <exec> 08└─it has been quite a big thing in the UK
[03:55:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:01] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt, well, hope all you want its free... Also for practical political reasons the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state. I'm not seeing them admitted any time soon.
[03:55:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:03] <exec> 08└─As punishment I suggest Marty B be sent to Washing D.C. to serve in the senate as an actual senator. Lecturing to psychopaths will get you nowhere. I'm disappointed. I thought everybody knew that by now. Don't bother 'lecturing' these people. You have to vote them out. It's the only way.
[03:55:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:06] <exec> 08└─"On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable" Yes, thanks to partisan posters like yourself, who can't comprehend someone with a different opinion. Funny that one of the worst offenders with Hillary/Obama/Comey derangement syndrome pointing this out.
[03:55:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:08] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[03:55:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:10] <exec> 08└─... you'll be first up against the wall. But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers.
[03:55:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:12] <exec> 08└─As i said in my editor's note... There will be a proper UK election story soon, there has been a lot of coverage in the online editorial form, but very little in the way of actual confirmed details of the results... What was confirmed, the 'confidence and supply deal' with the DUP was retracted. The...
[03:55:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:14] <exec> 08└─Well now we know MDC is a UEL. United Empire Loyalist. Relocate to Canada while your Queen has a few years of life still in her.
[03:55:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:16] <exec> 08└─Been following it fairly closely. May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result. May and her party, the conservatives*, had a decent majority. *Think old school Republican's At this point Corbyn, the leader of the Labour* party, was (quite liter...
[03:55:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:19] <exec> 08└─Probably because you are too connected to US space? The two stories are different by implications.
[03:55:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:21] <exec> 08└─No hard feelings either.
[03:55:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:23] <exec> 08└─only one Politics story per day
[03:55:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:25] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt
[03:55:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:28] <exec> 08└─This bullshit apology story just ate the Politics quota for today? If martyb weren't a complete utter disingenuous cunt, he would have put this shit under Meta where it belongs. What a fucking cunt.
[03:55:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:30] <exec> 08└─There is no hard limit, but we do try to maintain a focus on technology and science. In my opinion there is such a wide intersection where politics meets science and technology. Your submitted story is a good example of this. We should have some focus on political stories that actually have some wid...
[03:55:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:32] <exec> 08└─I decided to leave it in Politics. The reason for this is... If you have Politics unchecked in your preferences, then you would not have seen the original story anyway so it's irrelevant to your use of the site. If you're an AC then it doesn't matter either, as you can't set preferences. I could hav...
[03:55:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:34] <exec> 08└─Don't we have the nexus so people can avoid Politics if they wish?
[03:55:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:36] <exec> 08└─Keep up the good work Marty and everyone else. Yeah, I know... ass-hat will come along now and say something unkind.
[03:55:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:38] <exec> 08└─Agreed, if you're going to open your borders to packs of wild animals, then you might as well admit those wild animals who have decent music and rum and love bikes and guns. That being said, we should be the ones offering to pay other nations to take Puerto Rico from us.
[03:55:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:41] <exec> 08└─Says the boy who never made a mistake, ever.
[03:55:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:43] <exec> 08└─> Coverage has been very ... muted. Gee, I wonder where you get your international news? Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet (NE USA), and even more after midnight when that FM station switches over to the BBC World Service. I often play this BBC news on the clock radio sleep timer...
[03:55:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03woodcruft [6528] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:45] <exec> 08└─Although it's appreciated. I guess the audience for this site is largely from IT but it doesn't mean we have no interest in other matters and on occasion you get times when a pile of say important political events happen, like recently. In the past year we have seen a number of seismic political e...
[03:55:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:47] <exec> 08└─May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result.
[03:55:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:50] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[03:55:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:52] <exec> 08└─I 2nd this. MartyB, you contribute so much to this website, and through it, us, that I can only thank you for posting what you feel is important. As always I have the power to skim past it; but I'd rather it be there in the 1st place, giving me that option. Thank you!
[03:55:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Empyrean [5241] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:54] <exec> 08└─No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians...
[03:55:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:56] <exec> 08└─Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet Pacifica Radio in SoCal for the previous week (and more). [archive.li] (orig; Will age rapidly) [kpfk.org] Scroll to Friday June 9 and the 2 hosts (Brad and Suzi) who made the effort to type in some comments show evidence of their coverage. Other...
[03:55:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:55:58] <exec> 08└─One "Oh shit" wipes out a thousand Attaboys. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[03:56:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:01] <exec> 08└─I don't see what all the fuss was about. It's an interesting thought, and I'm glad martyb tried it--lumping the political stories of the day into one. I'm not convinced it's wrong. There is a real dilemma we have here, of scope and identity. I expect some difficulty as we figure it out. More importa...
[03:56:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:03] <exec> 08└─the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state.
[03:56:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:05] <exec> 08└─I completely concur. Of course, there is also the minor matter of the requisite accompanying penalty [youtube.com].
[03:56:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:07] <exec> 08└─Agreed. It's good to change behavior but it takes balls to admit you were wrong. Thanks for all your work martyb!
[03:56:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:10] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time."
[03:56:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:12] <exec> 08└─The only major opponent to the Conservatives and analogous to the Democrats.
[03:56:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:14] <exec> 08└─In politics they have a word for the honesty and intellectual maturity to admit a mistake: "weakness".
[03:56:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:16] <exec> 08└─Don't sweat it, martyb. You work hard for the community. Folks who criticized it could mix their feedback with pitching in a bit. Many hands make for light work, but also in an all volunteer effort like this it separates productive feedback from deleterious carping. Or they could ignore the Politics...
[03:56:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:18] <exec> 08└─muted in a relative sense. news.google.com shows exactly one story about the current UK situation on the right side "Britain's PM May to face her party amid post-election tumult - Reuters Staff" Meanwhile there's about two dozen Trump Derangement Syndrome rants, two Apple posts one about WWDC last w...
[03:56:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:21] <exec> 08└─The Left-right dichotomy is completely worthless, especially now, in defining American politics. The two parties have the exact same policies but with different target audiences. It is particularly ridiculous now since the Republicans just elected a hard core liberal democrat to president, and the o...
[03:56:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:23] <exec> 08└─First, you need to drain the swamp, don't you?
[03:56:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:25] <exec> 08└─But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers. Namespace Pollution: If you use the word "conservative" in a political thread about UK and US politics at the same time, what do you actually mean?
[03:56:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:27] <exec> 08└─I am a cunt, martyb is an honorable gentleman. Hmmm...is that a UK cunt, or a US one?
[03:56:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:36] <exec> 08└─... it says grant winners
[03:56:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:38] <exec> 08└─> before election: I will defend French interests in Europe, The World, And This Quadrant Of The Galaxy > after election: yo, señorita, want a grant?
[03:56:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:40] <exec> 08└─Maricón has already imported thousands of foreign scientists. [express.co.uk]
[03:56:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:42] <exec> 08└─Is he offering a reduction in terrorism-related loss of limbs/property insurance? That would surely make moving to France less problematic.
[03:56:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:44] <exec> 08└─Statistically you are more likely to kill yourself, deliberately, than to be killed by a terrorist.
[03:56:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:47] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case. More's the pity.
[03:56:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:49] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case.
[03:56:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:51] <exec> 08└─"I also married my molester"
[03:56:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:53] <exec> 08└─It might well be in France's interest to have the world's top scientists there.
[03:56:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:55] <exec> 08└─It looks like France has decided to compete with Canada, then. The Canadian government has also told scientists they are welcome. And maybe we'll both be competing with California.
[03:56:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:56:58] <exec> 08└─Make America Great Again is a rediculus slogan because the past was less great than the present for a lot of people, including non-whites and women. That criticism also applies to Macaroni's version.
[03:56:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:00] <exec> 08└─You're more likely to commit suicide(19.5/100000) than to be killed by a drunk driver(5/100000)...does that mean drunk driving isn't a big deal too?
[03:57:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03fierce [4087] (Score: 1) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:02] <exec> 08└─Obviously the parent poster was refering to killing yourself by accident.
[03:57:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:04] <exec> 08└─Yes, under the ideal and unrealistic condition that they have no ties with country of origin. How easy it is to force a scientist to pass classified data to his country of origin where his family lives? Do you recall the intranet hacking Chinese interns of some time ago?
[03:57:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 469 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:06] <exec> 08└─MAGA is a problem because the cows have escaped. If America got selfish around the Clinton era, they would have pushed the rest of the world in the second world or less. But America and URSS are globalists' inventions like China and Africa. The pattern you will recognize in all of those places is th...
[03:57:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:08] <exec> 08└─Oh shit, the American scientists might tell America how to fight climate change! The horror!
[03:57:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:11] <exec> 08└─The research gets done, and we save a lot of money on the research.
[03:57:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:21] <exec> 08└─Fake news arose as soon as trump entered the scene. Coincidence? I think not. Donald is tweeting at 3AM for one reason only. He stays up and writes all of the fake news you see.
[03:57:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:24] <exec> 08└─Fake news pointed out those other evil Fake news supported by alternative facts. But be assured, I can now announce: Reality is over. You can relax!
[03:57:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Disagree) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:26] <exec> 08└─The average human is as dumb as a pile of bricks, and roughly half of humans are even dumber than that. That is why democracy is a terrible idea; it gives equal voices to unequal people. Capitalism is the only real solution: The weight of a person's "vote" depends on how productive that person's pre...
[03:57:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:28] <exec> 08└─Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right? It always surprises me that people who argue for exclusion always argue from the point of view that /they/ will remain in the group of the powerful. They never seem to grasp that -looking back at our history- it will backfire and they...
[03:57:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:30] <exec> 08└─Try again.
[03:57:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:32] <exec> 08└─You're confusing an industrial era financing technology arguably past its prime with a political system. You're better off with a nice monarchy, neoreactionary style. Like the brits but with teeth.
[03:57:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:57:35] <exec> 08└─the US science community
[04:29:16] <exec> 08********** 03SOYLENTNEWS COMMENT FEED08 **********
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[04:30:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 736 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:00] <exec> 08└─Basically, that money will be wasted, because the prison system is governmental and will therefore just swallow up private resources without being transformed appreciably (NO. There is is NO SUCH THING as a "private" prison; they all suck dependently at government's tax-dollar teat!). Why is art...
[04:31:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:01] <exec> 08└─I'll take that $165 million and you can't jail me because it would be incarceration. Hey listen up! Free tunes on me! I put $1000 in the jukebox for everybody except since I'm paying I get to choose the first ten songs. What do you mean you don't like my choice of music and I'm banned for life? Wher...
[04:31:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 771 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:03] <exec> 08└─It seems like Agnes Gund is a heavy hitter in the NY City art scene. Here is the original version of her Wiki page, from 22 January 2011 -- and as expected for a new page, it was tagged by Wiki editors as needing work, https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia....
[04:31:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:05] <exec> 08└─The reform project would put angry young black men back on the streets, so no, it will not be allowed to happen.
[04:31:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:07] <exec> 08└─This looks like a money laundering operation. Improper influence with donations/bribery is a crime.
[04:31:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:16] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors makes me want one of these CPU's - NOT!!
[04:31:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:18] <exec> 08└─You're nominated to join the team as the designated whistleblower who checks for backdoors. Now take these coupons for discount hookers and get lost until your report is due. The young people have innovation to do.
[04:31:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:20] <exec> 08└─I cannot blame anyone whatsoever for whatever conspiracy theories they may have about surveillance at this point. So not going to try to address that. But it is a shame that this is something we have to give a shit about in the first place. The concept in itself seems pretty interesting and yet woul...
[04:31:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:22] <exec> 08└─I'm trying to figure out how this will be used. The summary didn't help me very much which called for extraordinary efforts, so I read the fine article. And I'm still confused. Can one of our resident experts provide a car analogy?
[04:31:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:24] <exec> 08└─Instead of one big autobahn where everyone queues up and then drives very fast in the same direction, you pave the entire area and everyone drives directly from one point to another. Individual trips are slower because you have to stop at yield and stops signs to avoid collisions, but overall everyo...
[04:31:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:27] <exec> 08└─What happened to publicly funded work being public IP? :) (I know, I know, that has never REALLY been true, but for paradigm shifting publically-funded technology, it really should be!)
[04:31:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:29] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors
[04:31:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:37] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[04:31:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1072 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:39] <exec> 08└─Playing the original Burnout games was a lot of fun, not sure how well they stand up today. Carmageddon and Twisted Metal were some of my favorite games of that era... I think best left to the memories. You could perhaps look into the FlatOut series for that type of thing. In my opinion, the racing/...
[04:31:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:42] <exec> 08└─For a long time, it was absolutely taboo for ads to show the car destroyed, because the viewer has to dream of the pretty shapes, not rationalize the much-touted safety features and resultant mess. I remember hearing when they had one of the first ever human-driven crashes in an ad (note that many s...
[04:31:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:44] <exec> 08└─Trackmania series, for the arcade feel. Dirt (4, rallye) for more realism. Not interested in the list by realistic track racing games, so I can't help you there.
[04:31:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:46] <exec> 08└─Both should be cheap used, and it doesn't require online activation. I personally preferred The Pre-Undercover NFS games (Shift games were alright with a steering wheel, but I was tired of DRM by the time they came out, so I didn't end up buying them. Everybody I know who tried to play them with a c...
[04:31:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:48] <exec> 08└─There was a PS3 racing game, Grid 3 or something. I did everything needed at the first level but didn't have the points to get to the second level. Did everything I could to gain points, could not get enough for level 2. Sold the game, then got it at the library for a week for $0. Same result, can't...
[04:31:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:51] <exec> 08└─There's a new Gran Turismo for PS4 coming out in December.
[04:31:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:53] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't buy this game simply because it uses them. It's not that hard to just fictionalize the cars and tell the brands to pound sand, lots of other games do that. When you start playing product placement games you lose me from your audience.
[04:31:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:31:55] <exec> 08└─So is this about computer-game-physics-crash-porn or product placement? I can't really tell. Personally I still remember Outrun as the Arcade game when you got to sit in the Red (plastic) Ferrari, that was nice. The crash physics sucked tho if you compare it to today but it was still fun.
[04:32:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:03] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[04:32:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:06] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[04:32:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:08] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[04:32:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:10] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[04:32:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:12] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[04:32:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:14] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[04:32:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:17] <exec> 08└─even the easy MIPS stuff
[04:32:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:26] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[04:32:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:28] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[04:32:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:30] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[04:32:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:32] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[04:32:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:35] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[04:32:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:37] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[04:32:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:39] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[04:32:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:41] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[04:32:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:44] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[04:32:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:46] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[04:32:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:48] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[04:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:50] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[04:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:52] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[04:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:54] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[04:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:57] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[04:32:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:59] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[04:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:01] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[04:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:03] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[04:33:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:05] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[04:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:08] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[04:33:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:10] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[04:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:12] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[04:33:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:14] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[04:33:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:16] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[04:33:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:19] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:33:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:21] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[04:33:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:23] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[04:33:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:25] <exec> 08└─You can make it a hard problem by cutting weight, volume, and power until it stops working. Also to be honest a lot of 70s crashes semi-CFIT they just blamed the hell out of the pilot for being a dumbass. Now a days a dude augers in and cheap cameras everywhere means they play back the video where t...
[04:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:28] <exec> 08└─100 $100M planes or 1000 $10M planes the profits the same but pilot survival is higher in the latter.
[04:33:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:30] <exec> 08└─That was F22, and it ground the whole fleet of them.
[04:33:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:32] <exec> 08└─I googled up some relevant articles https://www.flightglobal.com [flightglobal.com] http://www.airforce-technology.com [airforce-technology.com] https://www.usnews.com
[04:33:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:34] <exec> 08└─Yeah right [youtube.com]....
[04:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:36] <exec> 08└─Turn 'em into UAVs. Then they'll get their money's worth. Why are we still sending pilots up anyway?
[04:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:39] <exec> 08└─Your math is a little bit to simple. You have to factor in *WHO* gets the money, and how much they get. The F35 has it's very own system of graft and corruption, and going back to the older, more proven aircraft would have cut some important people out of the loop. It's easy to hide a lot of money l...
[04:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:41] <exec> 08└─I'm not so sure about all those claims for cost per hour. Let's consider automobiles for a minute. A new car generally runs pretty cheaply, because it needs little to no maintenance. Assuming you pay cash, you have a big payment upfront, then you drive for two to four years, quite cheaply. When you...
[04:33:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:50] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[04:33:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:52] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[04:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:54] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[04:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:57] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[04:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:59] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[04:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:01] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[04:34:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:03] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[04:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:05] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[04:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:08] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[04:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:10] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[04:34:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:12] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[04:34:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:14] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[04:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:16] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[04:34:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:19] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[04:34:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:21] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[04:34:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:23] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[04:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:25] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[04:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:27] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[04:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:30] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[04:34:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:32] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[04:34:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:34] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[04:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:36] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[04:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:38] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[04:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:41] <exec> 08└─And "wingdings" are a problem because...? I might sympatize with an idea than combining characters wasn't as good of an idea as some thought it would be, but this? If you don't need those you just don't use them.
[04:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:43] <exec> 08└─I once looked forward to UTF with longing. It would be so great to be able to use "æ" instead of having to cludge "ae" for example. But it's become so overrun with nonsense it almost seems like a bad idea in retrospect. ASCII wasn't perfect but at least we were spared all these wingnuts.
[04:34:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:45] <exec> 08└─Yeah here's the problem - you can't keep other people from using them. And it opens all kinds of problems. For one big field of examples consider the implications of using these things in filenames. No, a text encoding system needs to encode text. It needs to encode the regular symbols used in writi...
[04:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:47] <exec> 08└─From what I have observed of the "business executive mentality", PowerPoint is Business-Grade software. People like us have no business using it. Business-Grade software is for people who can delegate all the shit so someone else. People like us are the ones who actually personally experience the ra...
[04:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:56] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[04:34:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:58] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[04:34:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:00] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[04:35:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:02] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[04:35:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:04] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[04:35:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:07] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[04:35:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:09] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[04:35:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:11] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[04:35:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:13] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[04:35:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:15] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[04:35:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:25] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[04:35:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:27] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[04:35:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:29] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[04:35:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:31] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[04:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:34] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[04:35:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:36] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[04:35:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:38] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[04:35:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:40] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[04:35:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:42] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[04:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:45] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[04:35:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 5, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:47] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[04:35:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:49] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[04:35:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:51] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[04:35:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:53] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[04:35:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:56] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[04:35:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:58] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[04:35:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:00] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[04:36:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:02] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[04:36:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:05] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[04:36:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:07] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[04:36:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:09] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[04:36:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:11] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[04:36:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:13] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[04:36:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:16] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[04:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:18] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[04:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:20] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[04:36:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:22] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[04:36:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:24] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[04:36:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:27] <exec> 08└─> Google indicates human powered hydrofoil is a thing and 21 MPH is achievable. Yep, I was part of the group that ran the human powered watercraft speed prizes. We had DuPont as a sponsor and eventually gave away $35K over 4 years, c.1990. I also got to pedal a couple of the different hydrofoils and...
[04:36:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:36] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[04:36:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:38] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[04:36:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:40] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[04:36:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:42] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[04:36:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:45] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[04:36:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:47] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[04:36:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Interesting) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:49] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[04:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:51] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[04:36:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:54] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[04:36:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:56] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[04:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:58] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[04:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:00] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[04:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:02] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[04:37:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:05] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[04:37:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:07] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[04:37:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:09] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[04:37:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:11] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[04:37:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:14] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[04:37:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:16] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[04:37:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:18] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[04:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:20] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[04:37:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:22] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[04:37:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:25] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[04:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:27] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[04:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:29] <exec> 08└─Your demo fails when you add the PS2 slim and the PS4 pro. The point of the weird monikers is that all XBox "One" should be compatible games-wise. But my mom would get lost and wait for the boys to write down the exact thing needed. Exhibit B: Ask a Spanish speaker (so few of them in the US, right?)...
[04:37:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:39] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[04:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:41] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[04:37:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:44] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[04:37:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:46] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[04:37:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:48] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[04:37:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:50] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[04:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:53] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[04:37:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:55] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[04:37:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:57] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[04:37:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:37:59] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[04:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:01] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[04:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:04] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[04:38:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:06] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[04:38:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:08] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:38:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03cockroach [2266] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:10] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[04:38:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:12] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[04:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:15] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[04:38:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:17] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[04:38:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:19] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[04:38:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:21] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[04:38:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:23] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:38:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:25] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[04:38:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:28] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[04:38:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:30] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[04:38:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:32] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[04:38:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:34] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[04:38:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:37] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[04:38:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:39] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[04:38:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:41] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[04:38:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:43] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[04:38:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:45] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[04:38:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:48] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[04:38:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:50] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[04:38:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:52] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[04:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:54] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[04:38:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:56] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[04:38:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:38:59] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[04:39:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:01] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[04:39:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:03] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[04:39:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:05] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[04:39:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:08] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[04:39:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:10] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[04:39:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:12] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[04:39:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:14] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[04:39:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:16] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[04:39:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:19] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[04:39:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:21] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[04:39:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:23] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[04:39:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:25] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[04:39:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:27] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[04:39:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:30] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[04:39:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:32] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[04:39:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:34] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[04:39:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:36] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[04:39:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:39] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[04:39:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:41] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[04:39:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:43] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[04:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:45] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[04:39:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:48] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[04:39:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:50] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[04:39:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:52] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[04:39:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:54] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[04:39:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:56] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[04:39:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:39:59] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[04:40:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:01] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[04:40:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:03] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[04:40:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:05] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[04:40:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:08] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[04:40:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:10] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[04:40:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:12] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[04:40:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:14] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[04:40:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:16] <exec> 08└─Someone who is scared off by an interesting name is probably not the ideal user for Linux. Folks who think that Lubuntu is weird would also think that Ubuntu was weird. Some folks are curious enough to Google that. [google.com] Lubuntu could be thought of as "Light Ubuntu", suitable for older, less...
[04:40:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:19] <exec> 08└─Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[04:40:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:21] <exec> 08└─Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
[04:40:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:23] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[04:40:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:25] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[04:40:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:28] <exec> 08└─You're not seeing good technical justifications because the justifications are shit and don't really go along with how unix commands should work. So it's a hard sell. Essentially: ifconfig didn't have feature X because it only cared about interfaces. ip has Y and Z because those have to do with the...
[04:40:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:38] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[04:40:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:40] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[04:40:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:42] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[04:40:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:44] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[04:40:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:47] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[04:40:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:49] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[04:40:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:51] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[04:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:53] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[04:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:56] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[04:40:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:40:58] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[04:40:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:00] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[04:41:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:02] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[04:41:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:04] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[04:41:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:07] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[04:41:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:09] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[04:41:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:11] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[04:41:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:13] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[04:41:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:15] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[04:41:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:18] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[04:41:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:20] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[04:41:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:22] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[04:41:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:24] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[04:41:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:26] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[04:41:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:29] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[04:41:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:31] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[04:41:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:33] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[04:41:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:35] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[04:41:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:37] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[04:41:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:40] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[04:41:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:42] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[04:41:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:44] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[04:41:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:46] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[04:41:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:48] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[04:41:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:51] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[04:41:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:53] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[04:41:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:55] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[04:41:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:57] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[04:41:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:41:59] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[04:42:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:01] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[04:42:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:04] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[04:42:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:06] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[04:42:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:08] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[04:42:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:10] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[04:42:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:13] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[04:42:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:15] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[04:42:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:17] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[04:42:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:19] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[04:42:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:21] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[04:42:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:24] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[04:42:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:26] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[04:42:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:28] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[04:42:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:30] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[04:42:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:32] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[04:42:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:35] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[04:42:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:37] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[04:42:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:39] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[04:42:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:41] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[04:42:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:44] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[04:42:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:46] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[04:42:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:48] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[04:42:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:50] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[04:42:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:52] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[04:42:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:55] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[04:42:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:57] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[04:42:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:59] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[04:43:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:01] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[04:43:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:03] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[04:43:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:06] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[04:43:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:08] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[04:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:10] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[04:43:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:12] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[04:43:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:14] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[04:43:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:17] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[04:43:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:19] <exec> 08└─A few months ago I posted my recipe for Cranberry mead here. I'm still waiting for the other half of the swap.
[04:43:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:21] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it's never the stupid fucking bankrupt loser's fault. MUST be rich old whitey to blame!! Only possible option! Throw out some vague hypothetical racism accusations out there to cover your tracks, then shut the browser window, secure in your own personal victory.
[04:43:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:30] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[04:43:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:32] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[04:43:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:34] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[04:43:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:36] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[04:43:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:39] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[04:43:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:41] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[04:43:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:43] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[04:43:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:45] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[04:43:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:47] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[04:43:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:50] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[04:43:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:52] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[04:43:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:54] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[04:43:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:56] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[04:43:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:43:59] <exec> 08└─Nope, censorship is always evil and should be circumvented by any means possible. There is nothing on any part of the internet that can make a person act involuntarily. So stop with the scapegoating. If you find something you consider offensive, tune it out, and teach your damn kids to do the same t...
[04:44:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:09] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[04:44:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:12] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[04:44:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:14] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[04:44:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:16] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[04:44:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:18] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[04:44:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:21] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[04:44:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:23] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[04:44:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:25] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[04:44:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:27] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[04:44:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:29] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[04:44:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:32] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[04:44:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:34] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[04:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:36] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[04:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:38] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[04:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:40] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[04:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:43] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[04:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:45] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[04:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:47] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[04:44:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:49] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[04:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:51] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[04:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:54] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[04:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:56] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[04:44:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:58] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[04:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:00] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[04:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:03] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[04:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:05] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[04:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:07] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[04:45:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:09] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[04:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:11] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[04:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:14] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[04:45:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:16] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[04:45:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:18] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[04:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:20] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[04:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:22] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[04:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:25] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[04:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:27] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[04:45:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:29] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[04:45:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:31] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[04:45:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:33] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[04:45:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:36] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[04:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:38] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[04:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:40] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[04:45:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:42] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[04:45:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:44] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[04:45:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:47] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[04:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:49] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[04:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:51] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[04:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:53] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[04:45:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:55] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[04:45:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:58] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[04:45:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:00] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[04:46:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:02] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[04:46:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:04] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[04:46:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:06] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[04:46:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:09] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[04:46:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:11] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[04:46:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:13] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[04:46:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:15] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[04:46:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:18] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[04:46:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:20] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[04:46:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:22] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[04:46:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:24] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[04:46:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:27] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[04:46:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:29] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[04:46:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:31] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[04:46:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:33] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[04:46:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:35] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[04:46:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:38] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[04:46:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:40] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[04:46:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:42] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[04:46:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:44] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[04:46:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:46] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[04:46:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:49] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[04:46:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:51] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[04:46:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:53] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[04:46:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:55] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[04:46:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:46:57] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[04:46:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:00] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[04:47:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:02] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[04:47:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:04] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[04:47:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:06] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[04:47:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:08] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[04:47:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:11] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[04:47:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:13] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[04:47:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:15] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[04:47:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:17] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[04:47:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:20] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[04:47:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:22] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[04:47:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:24] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[04:47:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:26] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[04:47:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:28] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[04:47:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:31] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[04:47:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:33] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[04:47:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:35] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[04:47:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:37] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[04:47:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:39] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[04:47:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:42] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[04:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:44] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[04:47:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:46] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[04:47:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:48] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[04:47:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:58] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[04:48:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:00] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[04:48:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:03] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[04:48:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:05] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[04:48:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:07] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[04:48:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:09] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[04:48:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:11] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[04:48:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:14] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[04:48:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:16] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[04:48:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:18] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[04:48:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:20] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[04:48:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:22] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[04:48:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:25] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[04:48:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:27] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[04:48:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:29] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[04:48:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:31] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[04:48:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:33] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[04:48:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:36] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[04:48:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:38] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[04:48:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:40] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[04:48:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:42] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[04:48:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:44] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[04:48:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:47] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[04:48:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:49] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[04:48:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:51] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[04:48:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:53] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[04:48:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:55] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[04:48:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:48:58] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[04:48:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:00] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[04:49:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:02] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[04:49:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:04] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[04:49:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:06] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[04:49:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:09] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[04:49:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:11] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[04:49:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:13] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[04:49:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:15] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[04:49:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:18] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[04:49:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:20] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[04:49:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:22] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[04:49:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:24] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[04:49:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:26] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[04:49:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:29] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[04:49:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:31] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[04:49:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:33] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[04:49:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:35] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[04:49:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:37] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[04:49:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:40] <exec> 08└─Indeed I did, and that raised an eyebrow. It didn't, however, trigger me...as it seems to have done to you. Runaway, you have some serious unresolved fucking daddy issues, you know that? This weird, slavish authoritarianism coupled with an almost unconscious reactive insistence that you're not actua...
[04:49:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:49] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[04:49:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:51] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[04:49:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:53] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[04:49:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:55] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[04:49:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:57] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[04:49:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:49:59] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[04:50:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:02] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[04:50:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:04] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[04:50:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:06] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[04:50:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:08] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[04:50:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:10] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[04:50:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:13] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[04:50:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:15] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[04:50:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:17] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[04:50:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:19] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[04:50:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:21] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[04:50:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:33] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[04:50:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:35] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[04:50:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:37] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[04:50:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:39] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[04:50:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:41] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[04:50:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:44] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[04:50:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:46] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[04:50:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:48] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[04:50:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:50] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[04:50:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:52] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[04:50:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:55] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[04:50:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:57] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[04:50:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:50:59] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[04:51:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:01] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[04:51:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:03] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[04:51:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:06] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[04:51:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:08] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
[04:51:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:10] <exec> 08└─I actually sort of agree with you -- not necessarily that this article shouldn't be here at all (I personally find it interesting), but stuff like this with no tech/science angle at all perhaps should be flagged somehow. This one could probably fall under "politics," since it's pretty clear this was...
[04:51:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:12] <exec> 08└─You are correct. The North had much more industry, much more population, and more food production. The South's only hope was to have the war end quickly, preferably with the support of a foreign power like Britain. The Northern naval blockade prevented that.
[04:51:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:14] <exec> 08└─Robert E. Lee was not a bad general. That much is certain regardless of what this historian wrote. He was more than competent. He did make some mistakes on occasion, such as at the Battle of Gettysburg, which was turned out to be the turning point in the war. But when you consider that he was fighti...
[04:51:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:17] <exec> 08└─Probably should reevaluate Lincoln's decision making as well. Lincoln was dumb enough that he actually wanted Lee to head up the union army.
[04:51:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:19] <exec> 08└─That being said, I don't know much about combat history, but removing statues is bullshit.
[04:51:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:21] <exec> 08└─Not only that, but I think there's different degrees here. For instance, should a statue of General Lee, installed not long after the Civil War by defeated Confederates be removed? Now, should an obelisk built in 1891 to honor a white supremacist group who fought against integration in the New Orlea...
[04:51:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:23] <exec> 08└─I think a good compromise would be to ship all those disgruntled slaves' descendants to Los Angeles and San Francisco with plenty of downtown properties converted to affordable housing for them -- calling it "reparations." It's a win-win situation that also preserves American history.
[04:51:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:25] <exec> 08└─Oh, in addition: I agree that keeping that symbol of injustice seems bad, however how about this suggestion: if the anti-statue-removal people don't want Lee's statue removed, how about if we put statues of Grant and Lincoln right next to it? Would they be in favor of that, or against? Then the desc...
[04:51:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:28] <exec> 08└─Paid for primarily with extra taxes on the southern colonies, right?
[04:51:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:30] <exec> 08└─"oakgrove has 0 submissions" Huh! oakgrove submits nothing, but complains when others do!?! What. A. Surprise.
[04:51:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 734 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:32] <exec> 08└─This happens a lot because the further out you get from a historical event or a person's lifetime, the less control there is over what you dig up. New letters surface and people are willing to say things about dictators that weren't safe to say while the tyrant was in control of the country. But, af...
[04:51:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:34] <exec> 08└─No, what are you, racist or something? Refugees Welcome, as some people like to say.
[04:51:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:36] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. That sounds awfully like political correctness to me. Did your account get hacked?
[04:51:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:39] <exec> 08└─It lost! Get over it!
[04:51:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:41] <exec> 08└─right next to it, and bigger and much more prominent roo, perhaps looking down with a look of pity mixed with scorn as well. Especially Sherman.
[04:51:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:43] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but let's remember also the huge symbolism that Arlington National Cemetery is... it was Robt E Lee's estate before the Civil War..
[04:51:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:45] <exec> 08└─Also, Bamiyan statues need to be removed for they stand for the glory of infidels and non-believers who. thankfully, we have stoned to death long time ago. All praise the almighty Allah!
[04:51:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:47] <exec> 08└─Tech nexus, politics nexus, general/other nexus? Start using nexus' more so those who want to see certain stuff can opt in or out of categories. Maybe make tech the "default" nexus with others hidden so we don't have to have crybabies whining in every political/non-tech article and let the those tha...
[04:51:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:50] <exec> 08└─So did American Indians. Yet I'm sure you're not snidely saying the same thing to them, dickhead.
[04:51:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:52] <exec> 08└─Lee and most Confederate Generals apparently thought that they were still going up against swordsmen or smooth-bore muskets in the 1860s. The rifled firearms and minnie balls of the era could cut a force to pieces at a range of hundreds of yards--not to mention grapeshot and cannister rounds from ar...
[04:51:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:54] <exec> 08└─No, it's not. It should have been done a long, long time ago.
[04:51:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:56] <exec> 08└─James Burke [google.com] should have been writing those History books. Howard Zinn [google.com] is another guy who -did- write History books--and didn't just repeat the White-people-are-awesome myths. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:51:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:58] <exec> 08└─You don't even need to say "broadly". The Civil War was about which commanders could best use technology. They mostly did a shit job, choosing attrition. Lee, in particular. See my comment #524126 [soylentnews.org]. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:52:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:01] <exec> 08└─>But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job" The allegation in the actual article was that Lee was a failed strategist, and it's hard to disagree given the strategic choices laid out (namely making it an offensive war). Tactically yes, Lee was good; there was a reaso...
[04:52:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:03] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad idea at all. Sort of reminds me of the Confederate memorial on Martha's Vineyard. "WHAT?!" you say, "Another confederate memorial in Massachusetts? I thought Charlie Baker wanted to tear down the "only one" [bostonmagazine.com]." Nope. There's a much more interesting confederate mem...
[04:52:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:05] <exec> 08└─In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!
[04:52:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:07] <exec> 08└─Sometimes, great men are forced to make decisions that they don't like. Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his home state. Big difference there. Of course, today's politically correct crowd are incapable of distinguishing the difference. Another great man who should be honored, but is not,...
[04:52:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:09] <exec> 08└─Agreed. I never heard of those insurrectionists, until recently. They mean nothing to me, and I can't even be assed to do the minimal research that might make them mean something. Trash the obelisk, I don't care. No one outside of New Orleans - certainly no one outside Louisiana cares about it.
[04:52:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:12] <exec> 08└─Tell you what, I'll put up a statue of Grant next to Lee's if you put a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Lincoln Memorial. Deal?
[04:52:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:14] <exec> 08└─Has no one ever informed you that it was YOUR FAULT that you never studied recent American history? For my part, we, as a class, never really studied WWII. I, personally, devoted uncounted hours to studying Hitler, the Third Reich, the officers, and the Holocaust, BEFORE I graduated from high school...
[04:52:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:16] <exec> 08└─Another great man who should be honored, but is not, is Erwin Rommel. Rommel was among the most honorable men in Germany
[04:52:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:18] <exec> 08└─What I meant by "technical" there wasn't necessarily technology, but I guess something more like "academic" or "nerdy" rather than articles just on random pop culture topics or recipes for souffle (unless the souffle article details the science behind them or something).
[04:52:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:21] <exec> 08└─Let me add a little to your perspective. The Grand Old Army, that is the Union Army, was infested with incompetent officers who were appointed for political reasons, and due to family connections, when the war began. Incompetent fools were dismissed and replaced repeatedly for the first couple years...
[04:52:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:23] <exec> 08└─Thank you for that. I've heard of Mackensen, but know almost nothing about him. I had never heard of this monument before. My studies have been from the Anglo point of view, most of the time. There was a time, when good officers were taught to respect the enemy. If the enemy could make you bleed, he...
[04:52:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:25] <exec> 08└─My post is much like your own: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] Grant was pretty damned good, but without Sherman, Grant's efforts would have been much more costly to the North.
[04:52:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:27] <exec> 08└─LoL, nice to know that the "obama was just as bad" concept isn't anything new. Lincoln was to Lee as Obama is to Trump? We can only hope that this generation's flaming bigot falls even harder.
[04:52:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:29] <exec> 08└─What we choose to honor and given public space speaks a lot about our culture. Move these statues to the local museum of shame. "Look kids, here are some of our bigger fuck ups, please learn from their mistakes."
[04:52:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:31] <exec> 08└─Pickett's Charge was just stupid. Frontal assaults on dug-in troops in 1863 was suicide.[1] Lee telling Pickett to have his division cross hundreds of yards of of open ground wasn't tactically or strategically[2] smart.
[04:52:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:34] <exec> 08└─His statue is a symbol of everything the South stood for, including slavery.
[04:52:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:36] <exec> 08└─Lee was exactly the sort of general the South wanted. The whole Southern Gentleman propaganda pushed for an aggressive style of war. They wanted not just to win the war, but to win it in a very manly way with glorious victory after glorious victory. Stupid, but then, it was stupid to have started th...
[04:52:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:38] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid, by 1914 the generals STILL hadn't figured out that it was stupid and now there were MACHINE GUNS. As long as commanders were actually -leading- their forces, the stupidity had a natural limiting factor. (The stupid commanders were killed in battle.) The...
[04:52:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:40] <exec> 08└─Well, you got 2 of the words right. G.A.R. == Grand Army of the Republic -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:52:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:42] <exec> 08└─http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/040218.html [genealogytoday.com] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] "The "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR) was a fraternal organization composed of veterans of the Union Army" Please don't confuse a fraternity with the...
[04:52:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:45] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid
[04:52:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:47] <exec> 08└─Lee wouldn't have been a tyrant at any point so that restriction doesn't apply. And after the war, perhaps former Confederate sources might be circumspect due to social pressures, but Union ones wouldn't be so affected. It appears that there was a great deal of respect on the Union side for the man...
[04:52:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:49] <exec> 08└─Welp, jmorris can't possibly disagree with you on everything. It's natural bias for him to sound more reasonable when he agrees with you than when he disagrees.
[04:52:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:51] <exec> 08└─Wikipedia is a genuine wonder of the world when it comes to stuff like this. It's by necessity a bit superficial, but can quickly tell you who did what, even bit players. This can lead to the discovery of connections that normal discourse on history tends to gloss over. For example, one of the most...
[04:52:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:54] <exec> 08└─Germany lost WWI and beating them up for it didn't work out so well. So there was a do over called WWII. This rewriting of history to feel better is not a smart move. It's kind of like asking for a ham fisted do over on the reconciliation that made a United States after the civil war. PC is not alwa...
[04:52:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:56] <exec> 08└─The problem with a policy of censorship because they're not progressive enough is there is no logical limit. We'll have to bulldoze over the washington monument because he owned slaves, and nuke the city of Rome from orbit just to be sure because the Roman Empire was rather problematic. We gotta bul...
[04:52:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:58] <exec> 08└─And most history should be like that, less focused on Great Men
[04:52:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:00] <exec> 08└─I'm tolerable good at analogies. I'll try to squirt out two good ones. This is similar to endless Monday morning quarterbacking about how "640K should be enough for anyone" and all that crap. I was THERE in the old days and a lot of stuff didn't last very long so planning for the future was really s...
[04:53:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:02] <exec> 08└─Your comment is underrated in that it was a confusing era to live thru and a bit of hero worship of Lee was important to healing the military, post war. Before the war the army was one big happy family, right? Then for a couple years a family feud. Then in theory one big happy family again. Thats go...
[04:53:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:05] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[04:53:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:07] <exec> 08└─People are already trying to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson and other prominent figures that weren't on the side of the Confederacy or even involved in the Civil War. It's only a matter of time before the only thing people are taught about US history is that old white men are bad.
[04:53:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:09] <exec> 08└─He doesn't have a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because he was the greatest general ever. He has a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because "fuck you, you goddamn yankees!"
[04:53:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:11] <exec> 08└─I've got a different idea for a compromise. Get all those people who still support the "Southern Culture" of the antebellum US South. That is gather all the people together that support keeping and creating statues celebrating a culture that enslaves humans beings, a culture that believed in enslavi...
[04:53:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:13] <exec> 08└─Plus, Lincoln told England that if they didn't stop trading with the south he would consider that an act of war. It could have been a different outcome if England had said piss off and continued supplying the south. What was Lincoln going to do, fight two wars at the same time?
[04:53:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:16] <exec> 08└─Why should a traitor get a statue in the nation's capital? Honestly, I think the Union did the wrong thing by re-admitting the Southern states. They should have remained occupied territory, with their citizens always kept as second-class citizens. If they still haven't figured out after over 150 yea...
[04:53:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:18] <exec> 08└─I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, though I don't claim to be a military historian, so I'm not really going to weigh in on the details. My objection was primarily with the overall tone of the article (specifically its headline and conclusion). Yes, a lot of the concerns about strategy in...
[04:53:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:20] <exec> 08└─I submitted it weeks ago on a slow news day. Many american geeks like to obsess about two wars, WWII and the American Civil War. I thought the SN crowd might enjoy responding to the article's premise.
[04:53:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:22] <exec> 08└─Yep, 'cause not celebrating someone is the exact same thing as systematically removing him from the history books.
[04:53:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:24] <exec> 08└─Give them time...
[04:53:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:27] <exec> 08└─Actually, from a liberal perspective it is more important to leave the history intact so that people can learn from their mistakes. But hey, I'm responding to VLM so this is all gibberish apparently.
[04:53:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:29] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[04:53:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:31] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the statue of Benjamin Franklin Butler.
[04:53:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:33] <exec> 08└─You been snorting crack again?
[04:53:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:36] <exec> 08└─You know, it's amazing. There were two Buddha statues in Afghanistan, a pair of twin Buddha statues. And in New York City, there were the two twin towers of the World Trade Center. And both sets were destroyed by Islam, by radical Islam. Mullah Omar said no, don't blow up the statues. But the radica...
[04:53:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:38] <exec> 08└─You know, Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee. And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew J...
[04:53:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:40] <exec> 08└─This right here. He held his own very well and gave more than he got against an in all ways superior force that was being woefully mismanaged. The problem the Lincoln administration had was the Army he inherited was a political thing not a fighting force. That took time to fix. Ironically, Lee was o...
[04:53:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:42] <exec> 08└─History is what people repeat about the past - not an accurate, complete, nor unbiased account of anything. BTW, this story seems to be rebel-baiting.
[04:53:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:44] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[04:53:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:47] <exec> 08└─Now - I wonder if you can identify the politician who ran for office in the United States, who enjoyed the fruits of slave black labor?
[04:53:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:49] <exec> 08└─Ahhhh - relativism. If it's not been made illegal, then it's not so bad. Or less bad. Excusable, anyway. Got it. Anyway, here's one lady's take on the issue: https://kmgarcia2000.blogspot.com [blogspot.com]
[04:53:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:51] <exec> 08└─That's a gross mis-characterization of what I wrote.
[04:53:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:53] <exec> 08└─Fake af. REAL Donal Trump wouldn't know about Bamiyan's statues, nor will most his followers :p
[04:53:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:53:55] <exec> 08└─Well if you wanna go down the rabbit hole, you need to follow the white rabbit.
[04:54:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:05] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[04:54:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:07] <exec> 08└─The dd utility is part of any respectable *NIX distribution and first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. https://www.freebsd.org(1) [freebsd.org] http://man7.org [man7.org] That said, it is not unheard of to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's...
[04:54:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:09] <exec> 08└─it was mentioned that dd (sometimes referred to as Data Dump), an app that comes with pretty much every Linux distro,
[04:54:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:12] <exec> 08└─Mint users are pretty much Windows users, never mind that Mint as a distro is bug-ridden gobshite and I have no idea how it got hyped to the point it did. Still, they need tools that are easy-to-understand if not one-click solutions. Not fifty-million goddamn options that 99% of people don't even us...
[04:54:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:14] <exec> 08└─I miss reading those Microsoft help websites where MS techs only give you notebook scripted answers instead of getting to a solution. Q: "My mouse won't work" A: :First run your antivirus, then check for updates, then restart your PC, and if that doesn't fix it reinstall Windows.
[04:54:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:16] <exec> 08└─Your Mint experience is nothing like mine. I have been using Mint for about 2 years and have never had a problem, with the notable exception of a Bluetooth mouse that stopped working. I think I started with version 17.0 and have just upgraded every time a new release happened, so I must be on 18.1 n...
[04:54:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:18] <exec> 08└─You'd think that a bootable USB image of Linux would Just Work nowadays, nope! Still gotta fuck with options when writing the image , then again fuck with boot options to get it to boot.
[04:54:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:20] <exec> 08└─+1 positive mint experience. Mint was my introduction to Linux as a desktop OS. Coming from Windows, Cinnamon was a very comfortable DTE and matching shortcuts for things like minimising/maximising was nice when doing the boring day to day desktop stuff: browsing the internet, reading email, typing...
[04:54:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:23] <exec> 08└─Clem's response to Kim, linked as tools [linuxmint.com] says simply extract the img image from the ZIP and then right-click it and select "Make bootable USB stick"
[04:54:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:25] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[04:54:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:27] <exec> 08└─OK. dd is an internal command, not a separate executable file. So, "app" isn't the ideal word; "command" would have been better. There's no requirement for the guy who compiled -your- kernel to include it, so there's a possibility that it's not there to be run. There are a scad of interpretations/ex...
[04:54:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:29] <exec> 08└─On my Linux system, dd is an executable file. Specifically, /bin/dd Or has systemd managed to screw even that up?
[04:54:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:32] <exec> 08└─Hmmm, yeah. There that sucker is. That would seem to strike 1 of the sighs. (It's still possible to omit it.) ...as well as the assertion of another commenter about its app-ness. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:54:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:34] <exec> 08└─You're tiresome.
[04:54:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:36] <exec> 08└─It comes with proprietary software out of the box (not limited to firmware) and its repositories don't separate free software from proprietary. Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[04:54:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:38] <exec> 08└─...to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's configuration utility. This was very common in the days DOS was still around,..
[04:54:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:40] <exec> 08└─Garmin GPS - Windows only for updates. Canon scanner - Windows only software (slide scanning) Mac support, sometimes. Linux, sadly, an afterthought. We are after all, only 2% of the world 'market', but we are the 2% what make it happen and who know stuff. 98% sheep don't make it the right technology...
[04:54:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:43] <exec> 08└─dd has nothing to do with the kernel, so whoever did what when building the kernel is irrelevant. Under GNU/Linux distributions, it's in the coreutils package.
[04:54:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:45] <exec> 08└─Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[04:54:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:47] <exec> 08└─Not always. When I needed to update the BIOS on my Pentium 4 motherboard, I got a DOS executable. I downloaded a floppy image of OpenDOS, which worked fine for the job.
[04:54:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:49] <exec> 08└─The only Windows-only tool that is mentioned in the article is the tool Win32DiskImager. I never before even heard of that tool, but yet it is very obvious what it is used for: To make a bootable USB stick from the disk image provided. Now obviously for a computer marketed specifically for Linux, it...
[04:54:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:52] <exec> 08└─I agree that "command" would have been a more appropriate word, but for different reasons. As others noted, dd is indeed an executable file. However in my book an app (or application) is a program which is controlled through its UI (doesn't need to be a GUI; the point is that you first start the pro...
[04:54:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:54] <exec> 08└─But when the doggie-doo hits the BIOS fan, they only have one tool in their toolbox.
[04:54:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zyx Abacab [3701] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:56] <exec> 08└─If systemd's `rm -r .*` walks up the entire filesystem-hierarchy, you can fully expect systemd's `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3` to nuke all your hard disks, flash drives, blank DVDs, network shares, and brain-cells. That behaviour is just an ordinary UNIX pitfall, no? [github.com]
[04:54:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 634 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:54:58] <exec> 08└─I really do not know how much manufacturers use Windows bios update tools; I do not use Windows much. If I had to implement something of the sort, FreeDOS is likely what I would use as well. That said, the procedures referred to above seem to call for Win32 Disk Imager, a utility built for Windows...
[04:54:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:00] <exec> 08└─Nothing that a 8G USB stick won't fix.
[04:55:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:02] <exec> 08└─cannot be used easily from a desktop environment Your exception actually means that a commandline invoked executable are very easy to use from a desktop environment, with the commandline switches it is in fact often easier than hunting through ever increasing levels of menus with a mouse. This is es...
[04:55:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:05] <exec> 08└─*sh are not terminals, but shells. Terminals (or rather, terminal emulators) are xterm, konsole and Gnome-Terminal. And no, I don't consider running commands from a terminal window as "running from a desktop environment". The terminal runs on the desktop environment. The command runs on the terminal...
[04:55:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:14] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians - perhaps even those mentioned in the three combined stories - were so quick to recognize (possible) mistakes and were s...
[04:55:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 2023 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:16] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable "Trump Derangement Syndrome" victimposting combined with a bit of humor. I mean, for any random comment in three stories couldn't it appear in the other two almost unchanged? Colo had something insightful on that...
[04:55:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:19] <exec> 08└─I submitted the thing about the UK elections - I was surprised no one else had as it has been quite a big thing in the UK. I was a bit cheesed off that it got lumped in with the FBI stuff, but figured it was just a bad judgement. No problem. Thanks for the apology.
[04:55:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:21] <exec> 08└─That's a man's admission, not a boy's... MartyB, you're all right, you are... it takes guts to do this. You did and you learned from it. Please continue your contributions, they are valued!
[04:55:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:23] <exec> 08└─Kill yourself now.
[04:55:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:26] <exec> 08└─His Words: "Brexit is coming."
[04:55:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:28] <exec> 08└─Amid all this hoopla, Puerto Rico is voting today (Sunday 6/11/17) on whether to seek full statehood. http://www.npr.org [npr.org] You would think, with all the press, they would be trying to...
[04:55:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:30] <exec> 08└─it has been quite a big thing in the UK
[04:55:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:32] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt, well, hope all you want its free... Also for practical political reasons the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state. I'm not seeing them admitted any time soon.
[04:55:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:34] <exec> 08└─As punishment I suggest Marty B be sent to Washing D.C. to serve in the senate as an actual senator. Lecturing to psychopaths will get you nowhere. I'm disappointed. I thought everybody knew that by now. Don't bother 'lecturing' these people. You have to vote them out. It's the only way.
[04:55:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:36] <exec> 08└─"On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable" Yes, thanks to partisan posters like yourself, who can't comprehend someone with a different opinion. Funny that one of the worst offenders with Hillary/Obama/Comey derangement syndrome pointing this out.
[04:55:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:39] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[04:55:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:41] <exec> 08└─... you'll be first up against the wall. But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers.
[04:55:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:43] <exec> 08└─As i said in my editor's note... There will be a proper UK election story soon, there has been a lot of coverage in the online editorial form, but very little in the way of actual confirmed details of the results... What was confirmed, the 'confidence and supply deal' with the DUP was retracted. The...
[04:55:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:45] <exec> 08└─Well now we know MDC is a UEL. United Empire Loyalist. Relocate to Canada while your Queen has a few years of life still in her.
[04:55:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:47] <exec> 08└─Been following it fairly closely. May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result. May and her party, the conservatives*, had a decent majority. *Think old school Republican's At this point Corbyn, the leader of the Labour* party, was (quite liter...
[04:55:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:50] <exec> 08└─Probably because you are too connected to US space? The two stories are different by implications.
[04:55:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:52] <exec> 08└─No hard feelings either.
[04:55:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:54] <exec> 08└─only one Politics story per day
[04:55:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:56] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt
[04:55:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:55:58] <exec> 08└─This bullshit apology story just ate the Politics quota for today? If martyb weren't a complete utter disingenuous cunt, he would have put this shit under Meta where it belongs. What a fucking cunt.
[04:56:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:01] <exec> 08└─There is no hard limit, but we do try to maintain a focus on technology and science. In my opinion there is such a wide intersection where politics meets science and technology. Your submitted story is a good example of this. We should have some focus on political stories that actually have some wid...
[04:56:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:03] <exec> 08└─I decided to leave it in Politics. The reason for this is... If you have Politics unchecked in your preferences, then you would not have seen the original story anyway so it's irrelevant to your use of the site. If you're an AC then it doesn't matter either, as you can't set preferences. I could hav...
[04:56:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:05] <exec> 08└─Don't we have the nexus so people can avoid Politics if they wish?
[04:56:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:07] <exec> 08└─Keep up the good work Marty and everyone else. Yeah, I know... ass-hat will come along now and say something unkind.
[04:56:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:10] <exec> 08└─Agreed, if you're going to open your borders to packs of wild animals, then you might as well admit those wild animals who have decent music and rum and love bikes and guns. That being said, we should be the ones offering to pay other nations to take Puerto Rico from us.
[04:56:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:12] <exec> 08└─Says the boy who never made a mistake, ever.
[04:56:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:14] <exec> 08└─> Coverage has been very ... muted. Gee, I wonder where you get your international news? Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet (NE USA), and even more after midnight when that FM station switches over to the BBC World Service. I often play this BBC news on the clock radio sleep timer...
[04:56:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03woodcruft [6528] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:16] <exec> 08└─Although it's appreciated. I guess the audience for this site is largely from IT but it doesn't mean we have no interest in other matters and on occasion you get times when a pile of say important political events happen, like recently. In the past year we have seen a number of seismic political e...
[04:56:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:18] <exec> 08└─May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result.
[04:56:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:21] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[04:56:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:23] <exec> 08└─I 2nd this. MartyB, you contribute so much to this website, and through it, us, that I can only thank you for posting what you feel is important. As always I have the power to skim past it; but I'd rather it be there in the 1st place, giving me that option. Thank you!
[04:56:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Empyrean [5241] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:25] <exec> 08└─No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians...
[04:56:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:27] <exec> 08└─Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet Pacifica Radio in SoCal for the previous week (and more). [archive.li] (orig; Will age rapidly) [kpfk.org] Scroll to Friday June 9 and the 2 hosts (Brad and Suzi) who made the effort to type in some comments show evidence of their coverage. Other...
[04:56:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:29] <exec> 08└─One "Oh shit" wipes out a thousand Attaboys. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[04:56:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:32] <exec> 08└─I don't see what all the fuss was about. It's an interesting thought, and I'm glad martyb tried it--lumping the political stories of the day into one. I'm not convinced it's wrong. There is a real dilemma we have here, of scope and identity. I expect some difficulty as we figure it out. More importa...
[04:56:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:34] <exec> 08└─the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state.
[04:56:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:36] <exec> 08└─I completely concur. Of course, there is also the minor matter of the requisite accompanying penalty [youtube.com].
[04:56:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:38] <exec> 08└─Agreed. It's good to change behavior but it takes balls to admit you were wrong. Thanks for all your work martyb!
[04:56:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:40] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time."
[04:56:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:43] <exec> 08└─The only major opponent to the Conservatives and analogous to the Democrats.
[04:56:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:45] <exec> 08└─In politics they have a word for the honesty and intellectual maturity to admit a mistake: "weakness".
[04:56:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:47] <exec> 08└─Don't sweat it, martyb. You work hard for the community. Folks who criticized it could mix their feedback with pitching in a bit. Many hands make for light work, but also in an all volunteer effort like this it separates productive feedback from deleterious carping. Or they could ignore the Politics...
[04:56:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:49] <exec> 08└─muted in a relative sense. news.google.com shows exactly one story about the current UK situation on the right side "Britain's PM May to face her party amid post-election tumult - Reuters Staff" Meanwhile there's about two dozen Trump Derangement Syndrome rants, two Apple posts one about WWDC last w...
[04:56:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:51] <exec> 08└─The Left-right dichotomy is completely worthless, especially now, in defining American politics. The two parties have the exact same policies but with different target audiences. It is particularly ridiculous now since the Republicans just elected a hard core liberal democrat to president, and the o...
[04:56:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:54] <exec> 08└─First, you need to drain the swamp, don't you?
[04:56:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:56] <exec> 08└─But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers. Namespace Pollution: If you use the word "conservative" in a political thread about UK and US politics at the same time, what do you actually mean?
[04:56:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:56:58] <exec> 08└─I am a cunt, martyb is an honorable gentleman. Hmmm...is that a UK cunt, or a US one?
[04:57:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:07] <exec> 08└─... it says grant winners
[04:57:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:09] <exec> 08└─> before election: I will defend French interests in Europe, The World, And This Quadrant Of The Galaxy > after election: yo, señorita, want a grant?
[04:57:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:11] <exec> 08└─Maricón has already imported thousands of foreign scientists. [express.co.uk]
[04:57:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:13] <exec> 08└─Is he offering a reduction in terrorism-related loss of limbs/property insurance? That would surely make moving to France less problematic.
[04:57:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:16] <exec> 08└─Statistically you are more likely to kill yourself, deliberately, than to be killed by a terrorist.
[04:57:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:18] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case. More's the pity.
[04:57:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:20] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case.
[04:57:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:22] <exec> 08└─"I also married my molester"
[04:57:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:24] <exec> 08└─It might well be in France's interest to have the world's top scientists there.
[04:57:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:27] <exec> 08└─It looks like France has decided to compete with Canada, then. The Canadian government has also told scientists they are welcome. And maybe we'll both be competing with California.
[04:57:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:29] <exec> 08└─Make America Great Again is a rediculus slogan because the past was less great than the present for a lot of people, including non-whites and women. That criticism also applies to Macaroni's version.
[04:57:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:31] <exec> 08└─You're more likely to commit suicide(19.5/100000) than to be killed by a drunk driver(5/100000)...does that mean drunk driving isn't a big deal too?
[04:57:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03fierce [4087] (Score: 1) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:33] <exec> 08└─Obviously the parent poster was refering to killing yourself by accident.
[04:57:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:57:35] <exec> 08└─Yes, under the ideal and unrealistic condition that they have no ties with country of origin. How easy it is to force a scientist to pass classified data to his country of origin where his family lives? Do you recall the intranet hacking Chinese interns of some time ago?
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[05:30:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 2767 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:30:47] <exec> 08└─I know a little girl who has a kidney transplant. Her name is Ailes Brolly. "Ailes" is French for "Wings" as in Angel Wings. She was not expected to live longer than a month. She'd be about nine by now. Her mother and father are both carriers of Recessive Polycystic Kidney Disease. Neither of them k...
[05:30:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:30:48] <exec> 08└─The bad news is a shortage of organ donors because in this social climate of extreme conformity, reckless people got laid off for being non-team-players and now they're unemployed and can't afford motorcycles. But the good news is unemployed former tech workers who trained their H1B replacements wil...
[05:30:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 736 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:30:56] <exec> 08└─Basically, that money will be wasted, because the prison system is governmental and will therefore just swallow up private resources without being transformed appreciably (NO. There is is NO SUCH THING as a "private" prison; they all suck dependently at government's tax-dollar teat!). Why is art...
[05:30:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:30:58] <exec> 08└─I'll take that $165 million and you can't jail me because it would be incarceration. Hey listen up! Free tunes on me! I put $1000 in the jukebox for everybody except since I'm paying I get to choose the first ten songs. What do you mean you don't like my choice of music and I'm banned for life? Wher...
[05:30:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 771 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:00] <exec> 08└─It seems like Agnes Gund is a heavy hitter in the NY City art scene. Here is the original version of her Wiki page, from 22 January 2011 -- and as expected for a new page, it was tagged by Wiki editors as needing work, https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia....
[05:31:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:02] <exec> 08└─The reform project would put angry young black men back on the streets, so no, it will not be allowed to happen.
[05:31:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:05] <exec> 08└─This looks like a money laundering operation. Improper influence with donations/bribery is a crime.
[05:31:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:07] <exec> 08└─Which philanthropist should be thrown in jail? Both the seller and buyer are well documented philanthropists. Cohen (the buyer) is listed in Wiki at having already given away a significant part of $1Billion for various causes. And how can this art sale be money laundering when it's totally public?
[05:31:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 2) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:09] <exec> 08└─Which philanthropist should be thrown in jail?
[05:31:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:17] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors makes me want one of these CPU's - NOT!!
[05:31:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:19] <exec> 08└─You're nominated to join the team as the designated whistleblower who checks for backdoors. Now take these coupons for discount hookers and get lost until your report is due. The young people have innovation to do.
[05:31:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:21] <exec> 08└─I cannot blame anyone whatsoever for whatever conspiracy theories they may have about surveillance at this point. So not going to try to address that. But it is a shame that this is something we have to give a shit about in the first place. The concept in itself seems pretty interesting and yet woul...
[05:31:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:23] <exec> 08└─I'm trying to figure out how this will be used. The summary didn't help me very much which called for extraordinary efforts, so I read the fine article. And I'm still confused. Can one of our resident experts provide a car analogy?
[05:31:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:26] <exec> 08└─Instead of one big autobahn where everyone queues up and then drives very fast in the same direction, you pave the entire area and everyone drives directly from one point to another. Individual trips are slower because you have to stop at yield and stops signs to avoid collisions, but overall everyo...
[05:31:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:28] <exec> 08└─What happened to publicly funded work being public IP? :) (I know, I know, that has never REALLY been true, but for paradigm shifting publically-funded technology, it really should be!)
[05:31:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:30] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors
[05:31:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:32] <exec> 08└─Anyone know how this stacks up against the already well-known "Harvard" architecture, where code and data are in completely separate memory?
[05:31:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:34] <exec> 08└─Kinda like unregulated airspace?
[05:31:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:37] <exec> 08└─Ummm... I believe that is exactly what this is.... a "line item" crafted to justify a transfer of public funds to private entities.... in a manner so that the public funds it, but the results are private.
[05:31:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:44] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[05:31:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1072 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:47] <exec> 08└─Playing the original Burnout games was a lot of fun, not sure how well they stand up today. Carmageddon and Twisted Metal were some of my favorite games of that era... I think best left to the memories. You could perhaps look into the FlatOut series for that type of thing. In my opinion, the racing/...
[05:31:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:49] <exec> 08└─For a long time, it was absolutely taboo for ads to show the car destroyed, because the viewer has to dream of the pretty shapes, not rationalize the much-touted safety features and resultant mess. I remember hearing when they had one of the first ever human-driven crashes in an ad (note that many s...
[05:31:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:51] <exec> 08└─Trackmania series, for the arcade feel. Dirt (4, rallye) for more realism. Not interested in the list by realistic track racing games, so I can't help you there.
[05:31:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:53] <exec> 08└─Both should be cheap used, and it doesn't require online activation. I personally preferred The Pre-Undercover NFS games (Shift games were alright with a steering wheel, but I was tired of DRM by the time they came out, so I didn't end up buying them. Everybody I know who tried to play them with a c...
[05:31:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:56] <exec> 08└─There was a PS3 racing game, Grid 3 or something. I did everything needed at the first level but didn't have the points to get to the second level. Did everything I could to gain points, could not get enough for level 2. Sold the game, then got it at the library for a week for $0. Same result, can't...
[05:31:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:31:58] <exec> 08└─There's a new Gran Turismo for PS4 coming out in December.
[05:31:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:00] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't buy this game simply because it uses them. It's not that hard to just fictionalize the cars and tell the brands to pound sand, lots of other games do that. When you start playing product placement games you lose me from your audience.
[05:32:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:02] <exec> 08└─So is this about computer-game-physics-crash-porn or product placement? I can't really tell. Personally I still remember Outrun as the Arcade game when you got to sit in the Red (plastic) Ferrari, that was nice. The crash physics sucked tho if you compare it to today but it was still fun.
[05:32:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:10] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[05:32:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:12] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[05:32:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:14] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[05:32:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:17] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[05:32:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:19] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[05:32:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:21] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[05:32:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:23] <exec> 08└─even the easy MIPS stuff
[05:32:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:32] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[05:32:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:34] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[05:32:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:36] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[05:32:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:39] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[05:32:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:41] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[05:32:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:43] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[05:32:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:45] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[05:32:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:47] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[05:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:50] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[05:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:52] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[05:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:54] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[05:32:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:56] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[05:32:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:58] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[05:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:01] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[05:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:03] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[05:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:05] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[05:33:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:07] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[05:33:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:09] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[05:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:12] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[05:33:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:14] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[05:33:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:16] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[05:33:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:18] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[05:33:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:20] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[05:33:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:23] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[05:33:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:25] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:33:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:27] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[05:33:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:29] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[05:33:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:31] <exec> 08└─You can make it a hard problem by cutting weight, volume, and power until it stops working. Also to be honest a lot of 70s crashes semi-CFIT they just blamed the hell out of the pilot for being a dumbass. Now a days a dude augers in and cheap cameras everywhere means they play back the video where t...
[05:33:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:34] <exec> 08└─100 $100M planes or 1000 $10M planes the profits the same but pilot survival is higher in the latter.
[05:33:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:36] <exec> 08└─That was F22, and it ground the whole fleet of them.
[05:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:38] <exec> 08└─I googled up some relevant articles https://www.flightglobal.com [flightglobal.com] http://www.airforce-technology.com [airforce-technology.com] https://www.usnews.com
[05:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:40] <exec> 08└─Yeah right [youtube.com]....
[05:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:43] <exec> 08└─Turn 'em into UAVs. Then they'll get their money's worth. Why are we still sending pilots up anyway?
[05:33:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:45] <exec> 08└─Your math is a little bit to simple. You have to factor in *WHO* gets the money, and how much they get. The F35 has it's very own system of graft and corruption, and going back to the older, more proven aircraft would have cut some important people out of the loop. It's easy to hide a lot of money l...
[05:33:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:47] <exec> 08└─I'm not so sure about all those claims for cost per hour. Let's consider automobiles for a minute. A new car generally runs pretty cheaply, because it needs little to no maintenance. Assuming you pay cash, you have a big payment upfront, then you drive for two to four years, quite cheaply. When you...
[05:33:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:49] <exec> 08└─That's a good question, but aircraft, even brand-new ones, require a significant amount of maintenance, and aren't really engineered like cars are to be mostly maintenance-free. After all, when an aircraft has a mechanical failure, that frequently means a crash. So they have to get various things do...
[05:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:52] <exec> 08└─Yep, and that's why all military procurement is done in two phases, "it's too early to tell" and "it's too late to stop".
[05:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:00] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[05:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:02] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[05:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:04] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[05:34:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:07] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[05:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:09] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[05:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:11] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[05:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:13] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[05:34:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:16] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[05:34:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:18] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[05:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:20] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[05:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:22] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[05:34:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:24] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[05:34:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:27] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[05:34:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:29] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[05:34:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:31] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[05:34:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:33] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[05:34:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:35] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[05:34:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:38] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[05:34:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:40] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[05:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:42] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[05:34:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:44] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[05:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:47] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[05:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:49] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[05:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:51] <exec> 08└─And "wingdings" are a problem because...? I might sympatize with an idea than combining characters wasn't as good of an idea as some thought it would be, but this? If you don't need those you just don't use them.
[05:34:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:53] <exec> 08└─I once looked forward to UTF with longing. It would be so great to be able to use "æ" instead of having to cludge "ae" for example. But it's become so overrun with nonsense it almost seems like a bad idea in retrospect. ASCII wasn't perfect but at least we were spared all these wingnuts.
[05:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:56] <exec> 08└─Yeah here's the problem - you can't keep other people from using them. And it opens all kinds of problems. For one big field of examples consider the implications of using these things in filenames. No, a text encoding system needs to encode text. It needs to encode the regular symbols used in writi...
[05:34:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:34:58] <exec> 08└─From what I have observed of the "business executive mentality", PowerPoint is Business-Grade software. People like us have no business using it. Business-Grade software is for people who can delegate all the shit so someone else. People like us are the ones who actually personally experience the ra...
[05:35:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:07] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[05:35:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:09] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[05:35:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:11] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[05:35:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:13] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[05:35:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:16] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[05:35:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:18] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[05:35:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:20] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[05:35:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:22] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[05:35:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:24] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[05:35:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:27] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[05:35:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:36] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[05:35:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:38] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[05:35:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:40] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[05:35:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:42] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[05:35:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:44] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[05:35:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:47] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[05:35:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:49] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[05:35:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:51] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[05:35:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:53] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[05:35:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:56] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[05:35:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 5, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:58] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[05:35:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:00] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[05:36:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:02] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[05:36:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:04] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[05:36:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:07] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[05:36:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:09] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[05:36:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:11] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[05:36:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:13] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[05:36:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:15] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[05:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:17] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[05:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:20] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[05:36:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:22] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[05:36:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:24] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[05:36:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:26] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[05:36:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:29] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[05:36:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:31] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[05:36:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:33] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[05:36:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:35] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[05:36:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:37] <exec> 08└─> Google indicates human powered hydrofoil is a thing and 21 MPH is achievable. Yep, I was part of the group that ran the human powered watercraft speed prizes. We had DuPont as a sponsor and eventually gave away $35K over 4 years, c.1990. I also got to pedal a couple of the different hydrofoils and...
[05:36:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:46] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[05:36:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:48] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[05:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:51] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[05:36:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:53] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[05:36:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:55] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[05:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:57] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[05:36:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Interesting) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:36:59] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[05:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:02] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[05:37:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:04] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[05:37:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:06] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[05:37:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:08] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[05:37:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:10] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[05:37:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:13] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[05:37:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:15] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[05:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:17] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[05:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:19] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[05:37:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:21] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[05:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:24] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[05:37:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:26] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[05:37:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:28] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[05:37:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:30] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[05:37:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:33] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[05:37:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:35] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[05:37:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:37] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[05:37:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:39] <exec> 08└─Your demo fails when you add the PS2 slim and the PS4 pro. The point of the weird monikers is that all XBox "One" should be compatible games-wise. But my mom would get lost and wait for the boys to write down the exact thing needed. Exhibit B: Ask a Spanish speaker (so few of them in the US, right?)...
[05:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:49] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[05:37:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:51] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[05:37:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:54] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[05:37:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:56] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[05:37:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:58] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[05:37:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:00] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[05:38:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:03] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[05:38:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:05] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[05:38:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:07] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[05:38:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:09] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[05:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:11] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[05:38:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:14] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[05:38:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:16] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[05:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:18] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03cockroach [2266] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:20] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[05:38:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:22] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[05:38:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:25] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[05:38:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:27] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[05:38:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:29] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[05:38:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:31] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[05:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:34] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:38:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:36] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[05:38:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:38] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[05:38:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:40] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[05:38:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:42] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[05:38:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:45] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[05:38:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:47] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[05:38:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:49] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[05:38:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:51] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[05:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:54] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[05:38:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:56] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[05:38:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:58] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[05:38:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:00] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[05:39:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:03] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[05:39:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:05] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[05:39:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:07] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[05:39:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:09] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[05:39:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:11] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[05:39:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:14] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[05:39:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:16] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[05:39:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:18] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[05:39:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:20] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[05:39:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:22] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[05:39:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:25] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[05:39:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:27] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[05:39:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:29] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[05:39:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:31] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[05:39:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:33] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[05:39:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:36] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[05:39:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:38] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[05:39:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:40] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[05:39:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:42] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[05:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:45] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[05:39:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:47] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[05:39:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:49] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[05:39:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:51] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[05:39:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:53] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[05:39:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:56] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[05:39:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:39:58] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[05:39:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:00] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[05:40:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:02] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[05:40:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:04] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[05:40:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:07] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[05:40:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:09] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[05:40:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:11] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[05:40:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:13] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[05:40:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:15] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[05:40:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:18] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[05:40:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:20] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[05:40:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:22] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[05:40:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:24] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[05:40:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:26] <exec> 08└─Someone who is scared off by an interesting name is probably not the ideal user for Linux. Folks who think that Lubuntu is weird would also think that Ubuntu was weird. Some folks are curious enough to Google that. [google.com] Lubuntu could be thought of as "Light Ubuntu", suitable for older, less...
[05:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2, Troll) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:29] <exec> 08└─Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[05:40:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:31] <exec> 08└─Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
[05:40:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:33] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[05:40:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:35] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[05:40:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:37] <exec> 08└─You're not seeing good technical justifications because the justifications are shit and don't really go along with how unix commands should work. So it's a hard sell. Essentially: ifconfig didn't have feature X because it only cared about interfaces. ip has Y and Z because those have to do with the...
[05:40:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:40] <exec> 08└─It can't write documentation for shit, is one. Seriously, EBNF is for language spec and compiler design, not teaching. In the past five years I've found exactly zero useful tutorials on how to actually use the iproute packages. And no, one-off "this is how you use ip to do this rare ifconfig thing"...
[05:40:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:42] <exec> 08└─The fact that their idea of "help" is BNF suggests that they're idiots, assholes, or both. Maybe there's a more charitable explanation, but it's clear that they're not interested in making it possible for people to begin using it before they're experts in using it. The various BSDs are looking bette...
[05:40:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:52] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[05:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:54] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[05:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:56] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[05:40:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:59] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[05:41:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:01] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[05:41:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:03] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[05:41:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:05] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[05:41:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:07] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[05:41:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:10] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[05:41:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:12] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[05:41:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:14] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[05:41:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:16] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[05:41:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:18] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[05:41:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:21] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[05:41:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:23] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[05:41:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:25] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[05:41:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:27] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[05:41:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:29] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[05:41:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:32] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[05:41:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:34] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[05:41:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:36] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[05:41:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:38] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[05:41:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:41] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[05:41:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:43] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[05:41:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:45] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[05:41:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:47] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[05:41:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:50] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[05:41:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:52] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[05:41:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:54] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[05:41:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:56] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[05:41:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:41:58] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[05:42:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:01] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[05:42:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:03] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[05:42:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:05] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[05:42:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:07] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[05:42:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:09] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[05:42:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:12] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[05:42:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:14] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[05:42:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:16] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[05:42:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:18] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[05:42:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:20] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[05:42:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:23] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[05:42:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:25] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[05:42:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:27] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[05:42:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:29] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[05:42:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:31] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[05:42:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:34] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[05:42:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:36] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[05:42:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:38] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[05:42:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:40] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[05:42:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:42] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[05:42:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:45] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[05:42:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:47] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[05:42:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:49] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[05:42:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:51] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[05:42:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:53] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[05:42:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:56] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[05:42:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:42:58] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[05:42:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:00] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[05:43:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:02] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[05:43:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:05] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[05:43:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:07] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[05:43:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:09] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[05:43:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:11] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[05:43:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:14] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[05:43:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:16] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[05:43:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:18] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[05:43:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:20] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[05:43:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:22] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[05:43:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:25] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[05:43:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:27] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[05:43:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:29] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[05:43:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:31] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[05:43:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:33] <exec> 08└─A few months ago I posted my recipe for Cranberry mead here. I'm still waiting for the other half of the swap.
[05:43:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:36] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it's never the stupid fucking bankrupt loser's fault. MUST be rich old whitey to blame!! Only possible option! Throw out some vague hypothetical racism accusations out there to cover your tracks, then shut the browser window, secure in your own personal victory.
[05:43:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:38] <exec> 08└─You wrote all that shit just to prove the GP's point. *slow clap*
[05:43:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:46] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[05:43:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:48] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[05:43:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:50] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[05:43:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:53] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[05:43:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:55] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[05:43:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:57] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[05:43:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:59] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[05:44:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:01] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[05:44:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:04] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[05:44:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:06] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[05:44:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:08] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[05:44:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:10] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[05:44:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:12] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[05:44:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:15] <exec> 08└─Nope, censorship is always evil and should be circumvented by any means possible. There is nothing on any part of the internet that can make a person act involuntarily. So stop with the scapegoating. If you find something you consider offensive, tune it out, and teach your damn kids to do the same t...
[05:44:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:25] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[05:44:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:27] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[05:44:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:29] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[05:44:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:32] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[05:44:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:34] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[05:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:36] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[05:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:38] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[05:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:40] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[05:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:43] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[05:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:45] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[05:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:47] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[05:44:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:49] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[05:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:51] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[05:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:54] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[05:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:56] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[05:44:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:44:58] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[05:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:00] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[05:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:02] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[05:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:05] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[05:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:07] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[05:45:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:09] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[05:45:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:11] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[05:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:13] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[05:45:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:16] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[05:45:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:18] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[05:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:20] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[05:45:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:22] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[05:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:24] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[05:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:27] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[05:45:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:29] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[05:45:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:31] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[05:45:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:33] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[05:45:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:35] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[05:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:38] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[05:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:40] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[05:45:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:42] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[05:45:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:44] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[05:45:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:46] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[05:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:49] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[05:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:51] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[05:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:53] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[05:45:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:55] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[05:45:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:57] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[05:45:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:00] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[05:46:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:02] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[05:46:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:04] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[05:46:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:06] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[05:46:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:08] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[05:46:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:11] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[05:46:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:13] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[05:46:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:15] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[05:46:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:17] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[05:46:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:19] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[05:46:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:22] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[05:46:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:24] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[05:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:26] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[05:46:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:28] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[05:46:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:30] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[05:46:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:33] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[05:46:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:35] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[05:46:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:37] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[05:46:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:39] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[05:46:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:41] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[05:46:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:44] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[05:46:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:46] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[05:46:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:48] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[05:46:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:50] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[05:46:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:53] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[05:46:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:55] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[05:46:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:57] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[05:46:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:59] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[05:47:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:01] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[05:47:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:04] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[05:47:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:06] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[05:47:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:08] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[05:47:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:10] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[05:47:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:12] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[05:47:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:15] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[05:47:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:17] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[05:47:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:19] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[05:47:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:21] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[05:47:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:23] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[05:47:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:26] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[05:47:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:28] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[05:47:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:30] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[05:47:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:32] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[05:47:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:34] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[05:47:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:37] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[05:47:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:39] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[05:47:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:41] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[05:47:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:43] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[05:47:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:45] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[05:47:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:48] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[05:47:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:50] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[05:47:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:52] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[05:47:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:54] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[05:47:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:56] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[05:47:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:47:59] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[05:48:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:01] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[05:48:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:03] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[05:48:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:12] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[05:48:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:14] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[05:48:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:17] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[05:48:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:19] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[05:48:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:21] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[05:48:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:23] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[05:48:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:25] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[05:48:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:28] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[05:48:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:30] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[05:48:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:32] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[05:48:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:34] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[05:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:37] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[05:48:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:39] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[05:48:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:41] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[05:48:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:43] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[05:48:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:45] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[05:48:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:48] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[05:48:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:50] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[05:48:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:52] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[05:48:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:54] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[05:48:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:56] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[05:48:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:59] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[05:49:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:01] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[05:49:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:03] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[05:49:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:05] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[05:49:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:07] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[05:49:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:10] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[05:49:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:12] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[05:49:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:14] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[05:49:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:16] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[05:49:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:18] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[05:49:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:21] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[05:49:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:23] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[05:49:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:25] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[05:49:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:27] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[05:49:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:29] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[05:49:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:32] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[05:49:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:34] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[05:49:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:36] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[05:49:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:38] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[05:49:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:40] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[05:49:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:43] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[05:49:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:45] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[05:49:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:47] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[05:49:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:49] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[05:49:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:51] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[05:49:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:54] <exec> 08└─Indeed I did, and that raised an eyebrow. It didn't, however, trigger me...as it seems to have done to you. Runaway, you have some serious unresolved fucking daddy issues, you know that? This weird, slavish authoritarianism coupled with an almost unconscious reactive insistence that you're not actua...
[05:49:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:56] <exec> 08└─No, the succession is controlled by the Parliaments of the Commonwealth, they all have to agree to a change in succession such as the recent changes that allowed the oldest child to succeed whether male or female. Charles can quit as soon as he is declared King but as long as he is alive, he is next...
[05:49:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:49:58] <exec> 08└─Charles can't abdicate his claim, the best he can do is abdicate after being declared King. Might only be a King for an instant, but he still has to be King to abdicate. Of course the Parliaments of the Commonwealth could change the succession law again but it doesn't seem likely. The Statute of Wes...
[05:50:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:07] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[05:50:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:09] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[05:50:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:11] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[05:50:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:13] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[05:50:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:16] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[05:50:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:18] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[05:50:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:20] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[05:50:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:22] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[05:50:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:24] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[05:50:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:27] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[05:50:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:29] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[05:50:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:31] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[05:50:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:33] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[05:50:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:35] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[05:50:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:38] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[05:50:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:40] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[05:50:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:51] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[05:50:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:53] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[05:50:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:55] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[05:50:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:57] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[05:50:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:59] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[05:51:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:02] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[05:51:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:04] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[05:51:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:06] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[05:51:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:08] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[05:51:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:11] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[05:51:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:13] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[05:51:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:15] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[05:51:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:17] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[05:51:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:20] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[05:51:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:22] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[05:51:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:24] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[05:51:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:26] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
[05:51:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:28] <exec> 08└─I actually sort of agree with you -- not necessarily that this article shouldn't be here at all (I personally find it interesting), but stuff like this with no tech/science angle at all perhaps should be flagged somehow. This one could probably fall under "politics," since it's pretty clear this was...
[05:51:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:31] <exec> 08└─You are correct. The North had much more industry, much more population, and more food production. The South's only hope was to have the war end quickly, preferably with the support of a foreign power like Britain. The Northern naval blockade prevented that.
[05:51:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:33] <exec> 08└─Robert E. Lee was not a bad general. That much is certain regardless of what this historian wrote. He was more than competent. He did make some mistakes on occasion, such as at the Battle of Gettysburg, which was turned out to be the turning point in the war. But when you consider that he was fighti...
[05:51:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:35] <exec> 08└─Probably should reevaluate Lincoln's decision making as well. Lincoln was dumb enough that he actually wanted Lee to head up the union army.
[05:51:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:37] <exec> 08└─That being said, I don't know much about combat history, but removing statues is bullshit.
[05:51:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:39] <exec> 08└─Not only that, but I think there's different degrees here. For instance, should a statue of General Lee, installed not long after the Civil War by defeated Confederates be removed? Now, should an obelisk built in 1891 to honor a white supremacist group who fought against integration in the New Orlea...
[05:51:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:42] <exec> 08└─I think a good compromise would be to ship all those disgruntled slaves' descendants to Los Angeles and San Francisco with plenty of downtown properties converted to affordable housing for them -- calling it "reparations." It's a win-win situation that also preserves American history.
[05:51:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:44] <exec> 08└─Oh, in addition: I agree that keeping that symbol of injustice seems bad, however how about this suggestion: if the anti-statue-removal people don't want Lee's statue removed, how about if we put statues of Grant and Lincoln right next to it? Would they be in favor of that, or against? Then the desc...
[05:51:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:46] <exec> 08└─Paid for primarily with extra taxes on the southern colonies, right?
[05:51:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:48] <exec> 08└─"oakgrove has 0 submissions" Huh! oakgrove submits nothing, but complains when others do!?! What. A. Surprise.
[05:51:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 734 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:50] <exec> 08└─This happens a lot because the further out you get from a historical event or a person's lifetime, the less control there is over what you dig up. New letters surface and people are willing to say things about dictators that weren't safe to say while the tyrant was in control of the country. But, af...
[05:51:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:53] <exec> 08└─No, what are you, racist or something? Refugees Welcome, as some people like to say.
[05:51:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:55] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. That sounds awfully like political correctness to me. Did your account get hacked?
[05:51:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:57] <exec> 08└─It lost! Get over it!
[05:51:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:59] <exec> 08└─right next to it, and bigger and much more prominent roo, perhaps looking down with a look of pity mixed with scorn as well. Especially Sherman.
[05:52:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:01] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but let's remember also the huge symbolism that Arlington National Cemetery is... it was Robt E Lee's estate before the Civil War..
[05:52:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:04] <exec> 08└─Also, Bamiyan statues need to be removed for they stand for the glory of infidels and non-believers who. thankfully, we have stoned to death long time ago. All praise the almighty Allah!
[05:52:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:06] <exec> 08└─Tech nexus, politics nexus, general/other nexus? Start using nexus' more so those who want to see certain stuff can opt in or out of categories. Maybe make tech the "default" nexus with others hidden so we don't have to have crybabies whining in every political/non-tech article and let the those tha...
[05:52:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:08] <exec> 08└─So did American Indians. Yet I'm sure you're not snidely saying the same thing to them, dickhead.
[05:52:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:10] <exec> 08└─Lee and most Confederate Generals apparently thought that they were still going up against swordsmen or smooth-bore muskets in the 1860s. The rifled firearms and minnie balls of the era could cut a force to pieces at a range of hundreds of yards--not to mention grapeshot and cannister rounds from ar...
[05:52:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:13] <exec> 08└─No, it's not. It should have been done a long, long time ago.
[05:52:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:15] <exec> 08└─James Burke [google.com] should have been writing those History books. Howard Zinn [google.com] is another guy who -did- write History books--and didn't just repeat the White-people-are-awesome myths. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:52:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:17] <exec> 08└─You don't even need to say "broadly". The Civil War was about which commanders could best use technology. They mostly did a shit job, choosing attrition. Lee, in particular. See my comment #524126 [soylentnews.org]. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:52:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:19] <exec> 08└─>But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job" The allegation in the actual article was that Lee was a failed strategist, and it's hard to disagree given the strategic choices laid out (namely making it an offensive war). Tactically yes, Lee was good; there was a reaso...
[05:52:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:21] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad idea at all. Sort of reminds me of the Confederate memorial on Martha's Vineyard. "WHAT?!" you say, "Another confederate memorial in Massachusetts? I thought Charlie Baker wanted to tear down the "only one" [bostonmagazine.com]." Nope. There's a much more interesting confederate mem...
[05:52:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:24] <exec> 08└─In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!
[05:52:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:26] <exec> 08└─Sometimes, great men are forced to make decisions that they don't like. Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his home state. Big difference there. Of course, today's politically correct crowd are incapable of distinguishing the difference. Another great man who should be honored, but is not,...
[05:52:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:28] <exec> 08└─Agreed. I never heard of those insurrectionists, until recently. They mean nothing to me, and I can't even be assed to do the minimal research that might make them mean something. Trash the obelisk, I don't care. No one outside of New Orleans - certainly no one outside Louisiana cares about it.
[05:52:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:30] <exec> 08└─Tell you what, I'll put up a statue of Grant next to Lee's if you put a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Lincoln Memorial. Deal?
[05:52:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:32] <exec> 08└─Has no one ever informed you that it was YOUR FAULT that you never studied recent American history? For my part, we, as a class, never really studied WWII. I, personally, devoted uncounted hours to studying Hitler, the Third Reich, the officers, and the Holocaust, BEFORE I graduated from high school...
[05:52:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:35] <exec> 08└─Another great man who should be honored, but is not, is Erwin Rommel. Rommel was among the most honorable men in Germany
[05:52:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:37] <exec> 08└─What I meant by "technical" there wasn't necessarily technology, but I guess something more like "academic" or "nerdy" rather than articles just on random pop culture topics or recipes for souffle (unless the souffle article details the science behind them or something).
[05:52:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:39] <exec> 08└─Let me add a little to your perspective. The Grand Old Army, that is the Union Army, was infested with incompetent officers who were appointed for political reasons, and due to family connections, when the war began. Incompetent fools were dismissed and replaced repeatedly for the first couple years...
[05:52:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:41] <exec> 08└─Thank you for that. I've heard of Mackensen, but know almost nothing about him. I had never heard of this monument before. My studies have been from the Anglo point of view, most of the time. There was a time, when good officers were taught to respect the enemy. If the enemy could make you bleed, he...
[05:52:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:43] <exec> 08└─My post is much like your own: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] Grant was pretty damned good, but without Sherman, Grant's efforts would have been much more costly to the North.
[05:52:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:46] <exec> 08└─LoL, nice to know that the "obama was just as bad" concept isn't anything new. Lincoln was to Lee as Obama is to Trump? We can only hope that this generation's flaming bigot falls even harder.
[05:52:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:48] <exec> 08└─What we choose to honor and given public space speaks a lot about our culture. Move these statues to the local museum of shame. "Look kids, here are some of our bigger fuck ups, please learn from their mistakes."
[05:52:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:50] <exec> 08└─Pickett's Charge was just stupid. Frontal assaults on dug-in troops in 1863 was suicide.[1] Lee telling Pickett to have his division cross hundreds of yards of of open ground wasn't tactically or strategically[2] smart.
[05:52:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:52] <exec> 08└─His statue is a symbol of everything the South stood for, including slavery.
[05:52:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:54] <exec> 08└─Lee was exactly the sort of general the South wanted. The whole Southern Gentleman propaganda pushed for an aggressive style of war. They wanted not just to win the war, but to win it in a very manly way with glorious victory after glorious victory. Stupid, but then, it was stupid to have started th...
[05:52:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:57] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid, by 1914 the generals STILL hadn't figured out that it was stupid and now there were MACHINE GUNS. As long as commanders were actually -leading- their forces, the stupidity had a natural limiting factor. (The stupid commanders were killed in battle.) The...
[05:52:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:52:59] <exec> 08└─Well, you got 2 of the words right. G.A.R. == Grand Army of the Republic -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:53:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:01] <exec> 08└─http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/040218.html [genealogytoday.com] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] "The "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR) was a fraternal organization composed of veterans of the Union Army" Please don't confuse a fraternity with the...
[05:53:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:03] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid
[05:53:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:05] <exec> 08└─Lee wouldn't have been a tyrant at any point so that restriction doesn't apply. And after the war, perhaps former Confederate sources might be circumspect due to social pressures, but Union ones wouldn't be so affected. It appears that there was a great deal of respect on the Union side for the man...
[05:53:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:08] <exec> 08└─Welp, jmorris can't possibly disagree with you on everything. It's natural bias for him to sound more reasonable when he agrees with you than when he disagrees.
[05:53:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:10] <exec> 08└─Wikipedia is a genuine wonder of the world when it comes to stuff like this. It's by necessity a bit superficial, but can quickly tell you who did what, even bit players. This can lead to the discovery of connections that normal discourse on history tends to gloss over. For example, one of the most...
[05:53:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:12] <exec> 08└─Germany lost WWI and beating them up for it didn't work out so well. So there was a do over called WWII. This rewriting of history to feel better is not a smart move. It's kind of like asking for a ham fisted do over on the reconciliation that made a United States after the civil war. PC is not alwa...
[05:53:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:14] <exec> 08└─The problem with a policy of censorship because they're not progressive enough is there is no logical limit. We'll have to bulldoze over the washington monument because he owned slaves, and nuke the city of Rome from orbit just to be sure because the Roman Empire was rather problematic. We gotta bul...
[05:53:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:16] <exec> 08└─And most history should be like that, less focused on Great Men
[05:53:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:19] <exec> 08└─I'm tolerable good at analogies. I'll try to squirt out two good ones. This is similar to endless Monday morning quarterbacking about how "640K should be enough for anyone" and all that crap. I was THERE in the old days and a lot of stuff didn't last very long so planning for the future was really s...
[05:53:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:21] <exec> 08└─Your comment is underrated in that it was a confusing era to live thru and a bit of hero worship of Lee was important to healing the military, post war. Before the war the army was one big happy family, right? Then for a couple years a family feud. Then in theory one big happy family again. Thats go...
[05:53:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:23] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[05:53:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:25] <exec> 08└─People are already trying to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson and other prominent figures that weren't on the side of the Confederacy or even involved in the Civil War. It's only a matter of time before the only thing people are taught about US history is that old white men are bad.
[05:53:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:27] <exec> 08└─He doesn't have a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because he was the greatest general ever. He has a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because "fuck you, you goddamn yankees!"
[05:53:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:30] <exec> 08└─I've got a different idea for a compromise. Get all those people who still support the "Southern Culture" of the antebellum US South. That is gather all the people together that support keeping and creating statues celebrating a culture that enslaves humans beings, a culture that believed in enslavi...
[05:53:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:32] <exec> 08└─Plus, Lincoln told England that if they didn't stop trading with the south he would consider that an act of war. It could have been a different outcome if England had said piss off and continued supplying the south. What was Lincoln going to do, fight two wars at the same time?
[05:53:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:34] <exec> 08└─Why should a traitor get a statue in the nation's capital? Honestly, I think the Union did the wrong thing by re-admitting the Southern states. They should have remained occupied territory, with their citizens always kept as second-class citizens. If they still haven't figured out after over 150 yea...
[05:53:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:36] <exec> 08└─I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, though I don't claim to be a military historian, so I'm not really going to weigh in on the details. My objection was primarily with the overall tone of the article (specifically its headline and conclusion). Yes, a lot of the concerns about strategy in...
[05:53:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:38] <exec> 08└─I submitted it weeks ago on a slow news day. Many american geeks like to obsess about two wars, WWII and the American Civil War. I thought the SN crowd might enjoy responding to the article's premise.
[05:53:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:41] <exec> 08└─Yep, 'cause not celebrating someone is the exact same thing as systematically removing him from the history books.
[05:53:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:43] <exec> 08└─Give them time...
[05:53:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:45] <exec> 08└─Actually, from a liberal perspective it is more important to leave the history intact so that people can learn from their mistakes. But hey, I'm responding to VLM so this is all gibberish apparently.
[05:53:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:47] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[05:53:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:49] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the statue of Benjamin Franklin Butler.
[05:53:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:52] <exec> 08└─You been snorting crack again?
[05:53:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:54] <exec> 08└─You know, it's amazing. There were two Buddha statues in Afghanistan, a pair of twin Buddha statues. And in New York City, there were the two twin towers of the World Trade Center. And both sets were destroyed by Islam, by radical Islam. Mullah Omar said no, don't blow up the statues. But the radica...
[05:53:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:56] <exec> 08└─You know, Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee. And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew J...
[05:53:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:58] <exec> 08└─This right here. He held his own very well and gave more than he got against an in all ways superior force that was being woefully mismanaged. The problem the Lincoln administration had was the Army he inherited was a political thing not a fighting force. That took time to fix. Ironically, Lee was o...
[05:54:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:01] <exec> 08└─History is what people repeat about the past - not an accurate, complete, nor unbiased account of anything. BTW, this story seems to be rebel-baiting.
[05:54:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:03] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[05:54:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:05] <exec> 08└─Now - I wonder if you can identify the politician who ran for office in the United States, who enjoyed the fruits of slave black labor?
[05:54:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:07] <exec> 08└─Ahhhh - relativism. If it's not been made illegal, then it's not so bad. Or less bad. Excusable, anyway. Got it. Anyway, here's one lady's take on the issue: https://kmgarcia2000.blogspot.com [blogspot.com]
[05:54:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:09] <exec> 08└─That's a gross mis-characterization of what I wrote.
[05:54:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:12] <exec> 08└─Fake af. REAL Donal Trump wouldn't know about Bamiyan's statues, nor will most his followers :p
[05:54:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:14] <exec> 08└─Well if you wanna go down the rabbit hole, you need to follow the white rabbit.
[05:54:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:22] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[05:54:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:25] <exec> 08└─The dd utility is part of any respectable *NIX distribution and first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. https://www.freebsd.org(1) [freebsd.org] http://man7.org [man7.org] That said, it is not unheard of to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's...
[05:54:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:27] <exec> 08└─it was mentioned that dd (sometimes referred to as Data Dump), an app that comes with pretty much every Linux distro,
[05:54:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:29] <exec> 08└─Mint users are pretty much Windows users, never mind that Mint as a distro is bug-ridden gobshite and I have no idea how it got hyped to the point it did. Still, they need tools that are easy-to-understand if not one-click solutions. Not fifty-million goddamn options that 99% of people don't even us...
[05:54:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:31] <exec> 08└─I miss reading those Microsoft help websites where MS techs only give you notebook scripted answers instead of getting to a solution. Q: "My mouse won't work" A: :First run your antivirus, then check for updates, then restart your PC, and if that doesn't fix it reinstall Windows.
[05:54:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:33] <exec> 08└─Your Mint experience is nothing like mine. I have been using Mint for about 2 years and have never had a problem, with the notable exception of a Bluetooth mouse that stopped working. I think I started with version 17.0 and have just upgraded every time a new release happened, so I must be on 18.1 n...
[05:54:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:36] <exec> 08└─You'd think that a bootable USB image of Linux would Just Work nowadays, nope! Still gotta fuck with options when writing the image , then again fuck with boot options to get it to boot.
[05:54:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:38] <exec> 08└─+1 positive mint experience. Mint was my introduction to Linux as a desktop OS. Coming from Windows, Cinnamon was a very comfortable DTE and matching shortcuts for things like minimising/maximising was nice when doing the boring day to day desktop stuff: browsing the internet, reading email, typing...
[05:54:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:40] <exec> 08└─Clem's response to Kim, linked as tools [linuxmint.com] says simply extract the img image from the ZIP and then right-click it and select "Make bootable USB stick"
[05:54:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:42] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[05:54:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:44] <exec> 08└─OK. dd is an internal command, not a separate executable file. So, "app" isn't the ideal word; "command" would have been better. There's no requirement for the guy who compiled -your- kernel to include it, so there's a possibility that it's not there to be run. There are a scad of interpretations/ex...
[05:54:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:47] <exec> 08└─On my Linux system, dd is an executable file. Specifically, /bin/dd Or has systemd managed to screw even that up?
[05:54:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:49] <exec> 08└─Hmmm, yeah. There that sucker is. That would seem to strike 1 of the sighs. (It's still possible to omit it.) ...as well as the assertion of another commenter about its app-ness. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:54:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:51] <exec> 08└─You're tiresome.
[05:54:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:53] <exec> 08└─It comes with proprietary software out of the box (not limited to firmware) and its repositories don't separate free software from proprietary. Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[05:54:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:55] <exec> 08└─...to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's configuration utility. This was very common in the days DOS was still around,..
[05:54:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:54:58] <exec> 08└─Garmin GPS - Windows only for updates. Canon scanner - Windows only software (slide scanning) Mac support, sometimes. Linux, sadly, an afterthought. We are after all, only 2% of the world 'market', but we are the 2% what make it happen and who know stuff. 98% sheep don't make it the right technology...
[05:54:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:00] <exec> 08└─dd has nothing to do with the kernel, so whoever did what when building the kernel is irrelevant. Under GNU/Linux distributions, it's in the coreutils package.
[05:55:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:02] <exec> 08└─Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[05:55:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:04] <exec> 08└─Not always. When I needed to update the BIOS on my Pentium 4 motherboard, I got a DOS executable. I downloaded a floppy image of OpenDOS, which worked fine for the job.
[05:55:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:07] <exec> 08└─The only Windows-only tool that is mentioned in the article is the tool Win32DiskImager. I never before even heard of that tool, but yet it is very obvious what it is used for: To make a bootable USB stick from the disk image provided. Now obviously for a computer marketed specifically for Linux, it...
[05:55:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:09] <exec> 08└─I agree that "command" would have been a more appropriate word, but for different reasons. As others noted, dd is indeed an executable file. However in my book an app (or application) is a program which is controlled through its UI (doesn't need to be a GUI; the point is that you first start the pro...
[05:55:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:11] <exec> 08└─But when the doggie-doo hits the BIOS fan, they only have one tool in their toolbox.
[05:55:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zyx Abacab [3701] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:13] <exec> 08└─If systemd's `rm -r .*` walks up the entire filesystem-hierarchy, you can fully expect systemd's `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3` to nuke all your hard disks, flash drives, blank DVDs, network shares, and brain-cells. That behaviour is just an ordinary UNIX pitfall, no? [github.com]
[05:55:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 634 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:16] <exec> 08└─I really do not know how much manufacturers use Windows bios update tools; I do not use Windows much. If I had to implement something of the sort, FreeDOS is likely what I would use as well. That said, the procedures referred to above seem to call for Win32 Disk Imager, a utility built for Windows...
[05:55:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:18] <exec> 08└─Nothing that a 8G USB stick won't fix.
[05:55:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:20] <exec> 08└─cannot be used easily from a desktop environment Your exception actually means that a commandline invoked executable are very easy to use from a desktop environment, with the commandline switches it is in fact often easier than hunting through ever increasing levels of menus with a mouse. This is es...
[05:55:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:22] <exec> 08└─*sh are not terminals, but shells. Terminals (or rather, terminal emulators) are xterm, konsole and Gnome-Terminal. And no, I don't consider running commands from a terminal window as "running from a desktop environment". The terminal runs on the desktop environment. The command runs on the terminal...
[05:55:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:31] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians - perhaps even those mentioned in the three combined stories - were so quick to recognize (possible) mistakes and were s...
[05:55:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 2023 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:34] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable "Trump Derangement Syndrome" victimposting combined with a bit of humor. I mean, for any random comment in three stories couldn't it appear in the other two almost unchanged? Colo had something insightful on that...
[05:55:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:36] <exec> 08└─I submitted the thing about the UK elections - I was surprised no one else had as it has been quite a big thing in the UK. I was a bit cheesed off that it got lumped in with the FBI stuff, but figured it was just a bad judgement. No problem. Thanks for the apology.
[05:55:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:38] <exec> 08└─That's a man's admission, not a boy's... MartyB, you're all right, you are... it takes guts to do this. You did and you learned from it. Please continue your contributions, they are valued!
[05:55:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:40] <exec> 08└─Kill yourself now.
[05:55:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:42] <exec> 08└─His Words: "Brexit is coming."
[05:55:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:45] <exec> 08└─Amid all this hoopla, Puerto Rico is voting today (Sunday 6/11/17) on whether to seek full statehood. http://www.npr.org [npr.org] You would think, with all the press, they would be trying to...
[05:55:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:47] <exec> 08└─it has been quite a big thing in the UK
[05:55:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:49] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt, well, hope all you want its free... Also for practical political reasons the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state. I'm not seeing them admitted any time soon.
[05:55:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:51] <exec> 08└─As punishment I suggest Marty B be sent to Washing D.C. to serve in the senate as an actual senator. Lecturing to psychopaths will get you nowhere. I'm disappointed. I thought everybody knew that by now. Don't bother 'lecturing' these people. You have to vote them out. It's the only way.
[05:55:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:54] <exec> 08└─"On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable" Yes, thanks to partisan posters like yourself, who can't comprehend someone with a different opinion. Funny that one of the worst offenders with Hillary/Obama/Comey derangement syndrome pointing this out.
[05:55:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:56] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[05:55:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:58] <exec> 08└─... you'll be first up against the wall. But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers.
[05:55:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:00] <exec> 08└─As i said in my editor's note... There will be a proper UK election story soon, there has been a lot of coverage in the online editorial form, but very little in the way of actual confirmed details of the results... What was confirmed, the 'confidence and supply deal' with the DUP was retracted. The...
[05:56:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:02] <exec> 08└─Well now we know MDC is a UEL. United Empire Loyalist. Relocate to Canada while your Queen has a few years of life still in her.
[05:56:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:05] <exec> 08└─Been following it fairly closely. May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result. May and her party, the conservatives*, had a decent majority. *Think old school Republican's At this point Corbyn, the leader of the Labour* party, was (quite liter...
[05:56:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:07] <exec> 08└─Probably because you are too connected to US space? The two stories are different by implications.
[05:56:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:09] <exec> 08└─No hard feelings either.
[05:56:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:11] <exec> 08└─only one Politics story per day
[05:56:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:14] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt
[05:56:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:16] <exec> 08└─This bullshit apology story just ate the Politics quota for today? If martyb weren't a complete utter disingenuous cunt, he would have put this shit under Meta where it belongs. What a fucking cunt.
[05:56:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:18] <exec> 08└─There is no hard limit, but we do try to maintain a focus on technology and science. In my opinion there is such a wide intersection where politics meets science and technology. Your submitted story is a good example of this. We should have some focus on political stories that actually have some wid...
[05:56:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:20] <exec> 08└─I decided to leave it in Politics. The reason for this is... If you have Politics unchecked in your preferences, then you would not have seen the original story anyway so it's irrelevant to your use of the site. If you're an AC then it doesn't matter either, as you can't set preferences. I could hav...
[05:56:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:22] <exec> 08└─Don't we have the nexus so people can avoid Politics if they wish?
[05:56:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:25] <exec> 08└─Keep up the good work Marty and everyone else. Yeah, I know... ass-hat will come along now and say something unkind.
[05:56:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:27] <exec> 08└─Agreed, if you're going to open your borders to packs of wild animals, then you might as well admit those wild animals who have decent music and rum and love bikes and guns. That being said, we should be the ones offering to pay other nations to take Puerto Rico from us.
[05:56:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:29] <exec> 08└─Says the boy who never made a mistake, ever.
[05:56:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:31] <exec> 08└─> Coverage has been very ... muted. Gee, I wonder where you get your international news? Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet (NE USA), and even more after midnight when that FM station switches over to the BBC World Service. I often play this BBC news on the clock radio sleep timer...
[05:56:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03woodcruft [6528] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:33] <exec> 08└─Although it's appreciated. I guess the audience for this site is largely from IT but it doesn't mean we have no interest in other matters and on occasion you get times when a pile of say important political events happen, like recently. In the past year we have seen a number of seismic political e...
[05:56:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:36] <exec> 08└─May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result.
[05:56:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:38] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[05:56:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:40] <exec> 08└─I 2nd this. MartyB, you contribute so much to this website, and through it, us, that I can only thank you for posting what you feel is important. As always I have the power to skim past it; but I'd rather it be there in the 1st place, giving me that option. Thank you!
[05:56:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Empyrean [5241] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:42] <exec> 08└─No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians...
[05:56:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:44] <exec> 08└─Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet Pacifica Radio in SoCal for the previous week (and more). [archive.li] (orig; Will age rapidly) [kpfk.org] Scroll to Friday June 9 and the 2 hosts (Brad and Suzi) who made the effort to type in some comments show evidence of their coverage. Other...
[05:56:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:47] <exec> 08└─One "Oh shit" wipes out a thousand Attaboys. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[05:56:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:49] <exec> 08└─I don't see what all the fuss was about. It's an interesting thought, and I'm glad martyb tried it--lumping the political stories of the day into one. I'm not convinced it's wrong. There is a real dilemma we have here, of scope and identity. I expect some difficulty as we figure it out. More importa...
[05:56:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:51] <exec> 08└─the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state.
[05:56:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:53] <exec> 08└─I completely concur. Of course, there is also the minor matter of the requisite accompanying penalty [youtube.com].
[05:56:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:56] <exec> 08└─Agreed. It's good to change behavior but it takes balls to admit you were wrong. Thanks for all your work martyb!
[05:56:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:56:58] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time."
[05:56:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:00] <exec> 08└─The only major opponent to the Conservatives and analogous to the Democrats.
[05:57:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:02] <exec> 08└─In politics they have a word for the honesty and intellectual maturity to admit a mistake: "weakness".
[05:57:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:04] <exec> 08└─Don't sweat it, martyb. You work hard for the community. Folks who criticized it could mix their feedback with pitching in a bit. Many hands make for light work, but also in an all volunteer effort like this it separates productive feedback from deleterious carping. Or they could ignore the Politics...
[05:57:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:06] <exec> 08└─muted in a relative sense. news.google.com shows exactly one story about the current UK situation on the right side "Britain's PM May to face her party amid post-election tumult - Reuters Staff" Meanwhile there's about two dozen Trump Derangement Syndrome rants, two Apple posts one about WWDC last w...
[05:57:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:09] <exec> 08└─The Left-right dichotomy is completely worthless, especially now, in defining American politics. The two parties have the exact same policies but with different target audiences. It is particularly ridiculous now since the Republicans just elected a hard core liberal democrat to president, and the o...
[05:57:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:11] <exec> 08└─First, you need to drain the swamp, don't you?
[05:57:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:13] <exec> 08└─But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers. Namespace Pollution: If you use the word "conservative" in a political thread about UK and US politics at the same time, what do you actually mean?
[05:57:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:15] <exec> 08└─I am a cunt, martyb is an honorable gentleman. Hmmm...is that a UK cunt, or a US one?
[05:57:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:24] <exec> 08└─... it says grant winners
[05:57:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:26] <exec> 08└─> before election: I will defend French interests in Europe, The World, And This Quadrant Of The Galaxy > after election: yo, señorita, want a grant?
[05:57:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:28] <exec> 08└─Maricón has already imported thousands of foreign scientists. [express.co.uk]
[05:57:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:30] <exec> 08└─Is he offering a reduction in terrorism-related loss of limbs/property insurance? That would surely make moving to France less problematic.
[05:57:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:32] <exec> 08└─Statistically you are more likely to kill yourself, deliberately, than to be killed by a terrorist.
[05:57:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:57:35] <exec> 08└─Not likely enough, in this jerkoff's case. More's the pity.
[05:57:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06President Macron Trying to Lure Foreign Scientists to France - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
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[06:30:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:30:55] <exec> 08└─Nice to have a hobby, but since dark matter doesn't really exist in the real universe, this is just as fictional as Kerbal Space Program.
[06:31:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 2767 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:02] <exec> 08└─I know a little girl who has a kidney transplant. Her name is Ailes Brolly. "Ailes" is French for "Wings" as in Angel Wings. She was not expected to live longer than a month. She'd be about nine by now. Her mother and father are both carriers of Recessive Polycystic Kidney Disease. Neither of them k...
[06:31:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:04] <exec> 08└─The bad news is a shortage of organ donors because in this social climate of extreme conformity, reckless people got laid off for being non-team-players and now they're unemployed and can't afford motorcycles. But the good news is unemployed former tech workers who trained their H1B replacements wil...
[06:31:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:06] <exec> 08└─I'll sell you my diabetic kidney for 7 grand.
[06:31:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 736 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:14] <exec> 08└─Basically, that money will be wasted, because the prison system is governmental and will therefore just swallow up private resources without being transformed appreciably (NO. There is is NO SUCH THING as a "private" prison; they all suck dependently at government's tax-dollar teat!). Why is art...
[06:31:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:16] <exec> 08└─I'll take that $165 million and you can't jail me because it would be incarceration. Hey listen up! Free tunes on me! I put $1000 in the jukebox for everybody except since I'm paying I get to choose the first ten songs. What do you mean you don't like my choice of music and I'm banned for life? Wher...
[06:31:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 771 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:18] <exec> 08└─It seems like Agnes Gund is a heavy hitter in the NY City art scene. Here is the original version of her Wiki page, from 22 January 2011 -- and as expected for a new page, it was tagged by Wiki editors as needing work, https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia....
[06:31:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:20] <exec> 08└─The reform project would put angry young black men back on the streets, so no, it will not be allowed to happen.
[06:31:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:23] <exec> 08└─This looks like a money laundering operation. Improper influence with donations/bribery is a crime.
[06:31:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:25] <exec> 08└─Which philanthropist should be thrown in jail? Both the seller and buyer are well documented philanthropists. Cohen (the buyer) is listed in Wiki at having already given away a significant part of $1Billion for various causes. And how can this art sale be money laundering when it's totally public?
[06:31:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 2) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:27] <exec> 08└─Which philanthropist should be thrown in jail?
[06:31:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:29] <exec> 08└─In this case, both. The buyer for funding the conspiracy, the seller for facilitating the money laundering. Why is the "Art" worth millions? Great way to move money isn't it?
[06:31:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:37] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors makes me want one of these CPU's - NOT!!
[06:31:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:39] <exec> 08└─You're nominated to join the team as the designated whistleblower who checks for backdoors. Now take these coupons for discount hookers and get lost until your report is due. The young people have innovation to do.
[06:31:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:42] <exec> 08└─I cannot blame anyone whatsoever for whatever conspiracy theories they may have about surveillance at this point. So not going to try to address that. But it is a shame that this is something we have to give a shit about in the first place. The concept in itself seems pretty interesting and yet woul...
[06:31:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:44] <exec> 08└─I'm trying to figure out how this will be used. The summary didn't help me very much which called for extraordinary efforts, so I read the fine article. And I'm still confused. Can one of our resident experts provide a car analogy?
[06:31:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:46] <exec> 08└─Instead of one big autobahn where everyone queues up and then drives very fast in the same direction, you pave the entire area and everyone drives directly from one point to another. Individual trips are slower because you have to stop at yield and stops signs to avoid collisions, but overall everyo...
[06:31:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:48] <exec> 08└─What happened to publicly funded work being public IP? :) (I know, I know, that has never REALLY been true, but for paradigm shifting publically-funded technology, it really should be!)
[06:31:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:50] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors
[06:31:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:53] <exec> 08└─Anyone know how this stacks up against the already well-known "Harvard" architecture, where code and data are in completely separate memory?
[06:31:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:55] <exec> 08└─Kinda like unregulated airspace?
[06:31:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:57] <exec> 08└─Ummm... I believe that is exactly what this is.... a "line item" crafted to justify a transfer of public funds to private entities.... in a manner so that the public funds it, but the results are private.
[06:31:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdccdevel [1329] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:31:59] <exec> 08└─It sounds like they're talking about a more powerful general purpose version of GPGPU shaders (With their own cache and bunch of scratch-pad RAM) that operate on a new kind of main memory highly optimized for random access. Given how fast GPGPUs are at solving some problems, and how well shaders sca...
[06:32:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:07] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[06:32:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1072 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:10] <exec> 08└─Playing the original Burnout games was a lot of fun, not sure how well they stand up today. Carmageddon and Twisted Metal were some of my favorite games of that era... I think best left to the memories. You could perhaps look into the FlatOut series for that type of thing. In my opinion, the racing/...
[06:32:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:12] <exec> 08└─For a long time, it was absolutely taboo for ads to show the car destroyed, because the viewer has to dream of the pretty shapes, not rationalize the much-touted safety features and resultant mess. I remember hearing when they had one of the first ever human-driven crashes in an ad (note that many s...
[06:32:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:14] <exec> 08└─Trackmania series, for the arcade feel. Dirt (4, rallye) for more realism. Not interested in the list by realistic track racing games, so I can't help you there.
[06:32:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:16] <exec> 08└─Both should be cheap used, and it doesn't require online activation. I personally preferred The Pre-Undercover NFS games (Shift games were alright with a steering wheel, but I was tired of DRM by the time they came out, so I didn't end up buying them. Everybody I know who tried to play them with a c...
[06:32:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:18] <exec> 08└─There was a PS3 racing game, Grid 3 or something. I did everything needed at the first level but didn't have the points to get to the second level. Did everything I could to gain points, could not get enough for level 2. Sold the game, then got it at the library for a week for $0. Same result, can't...
[06:32:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:21] <exec> 08└─There's a new Gran Turismo for PS4 coming out in December.
[06:32:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:23] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't buy this game simply because it uses them. It's not that hard to just fictionalize the cars and tell the brands to pound sand, lots of other games do that. When you start playing product placement games you lose me from your audience.
[06:32:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:25] <exec> 08└─So is this about computer-game-physics-crash-porn or product placement? I can't really tell. Personally I still remember Outrun as the Arcade game when you got to sit in the Red (plastic) Ferrari, that was nice. The crash physics sucked tho if you compare it to today but it was still fun.
[06:32:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:34] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[06:32:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:36] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[06:32:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:38] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[06:32:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:41] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[06:32:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:43] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[06:32:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:45] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[06:32:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:47] <exec> 08└─even the easy MIPS stuff
[06:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:49] <exec> 08└─I will never again take the risk of mentoring... I'm done with it... it's fruitless... a vain attempt to disprove an insubstantial accusation motivated purely by sexism and transphobia.
[06:32:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:59] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[06:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:01] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[06:33:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:03] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[06:33:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:06] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[06:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:08] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[06:33:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:10] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[06:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:12] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[06:33:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:15] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[06:33:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:17] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[06:33:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:19] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[06:33:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:21] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[06:33:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:24] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[06:33:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:26] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[06:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:28] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[06:33:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:30] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[06:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:32] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[06:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:35] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[06:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:37] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[06:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:39] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[06:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:41] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[06:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:44] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[06:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:46] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[06:33:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:48] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[06:33:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:50] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[06:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:52] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:55] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[06:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:57] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[06:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:33:59] <exec> 08└─You can make it a hard problem by cutting weight, volume, and power until it stops working. Also to be honest a lot of 70s crashes semi-CFIT they just blamed the hell out of the pilot for being a dumbass. Now a days a dude augers in and cheap cameras everywhere means they play back the video where t...
[06:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:01] <exec> 08└─100 $100M planes or 1000 $10M planes the profits the same but pilot survival is higher in the latter.
[06:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:04] <exec> 08└─That was F22, and it ground the whole fleet of them.
[06:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:06] <exec> 08└─I googled up some relevant articles https://www.flightglobal.com [flightglobal.com] http://www.airforce-technology.com [airforce-technology.com] https://www.usnews.com
[06:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:08] <exec> 08└─Yeah right [youtube.com]....
[06:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:10] <exec> 08└─Turn 'em into UAVs. Then they'll get their money's worth. Why are we still sending pilots up anyway?
[06:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:12] <exec> 08└─Your math is a little bit to simple. You have to factor in *WHO* gets the money, and how much they get. The F35 has it's very own system of graft and corruption, and going back to the older, more proven aircraft would have cut some important people out of the loop. It's easy to hide a lot of money l...
[06:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:15] <exec> 08└─I'm not so sure about all those claims for cost per hour. Let's consider automobiles for a minute. A new car generally runs pretty cheaply, because it needs little to no maintenance. Assuming you pay cash, you have a big payment upfront, then you drive for two to four years, quite cheaply. When you...
[06:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:17] <exec> 08└─That's a good question, but aircraft, even brand-new ones, require a significant amount of maintenance, and aren't really engineered like cars are to be mostly maintenance-free. After all, when an aircraft has a mechanical failure, that frequently means a crash. So they have to get various things do...
[06:34:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:19] <exec> 08└─Yep, and that's why all military procurement is done in two phases, "it's too early to tell" and "it's too late to stop".
[06:34:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 706 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:21] <exec> 08└─Nobody seems willing to approve full-AI killers, but that is what you need when the radio links are all destroyed by the enemy. In a serious war, the satellites are even gone. There is no GPS. Many prior generations have made peace after a huge war and thought to themselves that THAT was the final w...
[06:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:30] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[06:34:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:32] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[06:34:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:34] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[06:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:36] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[06:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:39] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[06:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:41] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[06:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:43] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[06:34:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:45] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[06:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:48] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[06:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:50] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[06:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:52] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[06:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:54] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[06:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:56] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[06:34:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:34:58] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[06:35:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:01] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[06:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:03] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[06:35:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:05] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[06:35:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:07] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[06:35:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:09] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[06:35:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:12] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[06:35:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:14] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[06:35:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:16] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[06:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:18] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[06:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:21] <exec> 08└─And "wingdings" are a problem because...? I might sympatize with an idea than combining characters wasn't as good of an idea as some thought it would be, but this? If you don't need those you just don't use them.
[06:35:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:23] <exec> 08└─I once looked forward to UTF with longing. It would be so great to be able to use "æ" instead of having to cludge "ae" for example. But it's become so overrun with nonsense it almost seems like a bad idea in retrospect. ASCII wasn't perfect but at least we were spared all these wingnuts.
[06:35:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:25] <exec> 08└─Yeah here's the problem - you can't keep other people from using them. And it opens all kinds of problems. For one big field of examples consider the implications of using these things in filenames. No, a text encoding system needs to encode text. It needs to encode the regular symbols used in writi...
[06:35:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:27] <exec> 08└─From what I have observed of the "business executive mentality", PowerPoint is Business-Grade software. People like us have no business using it. Business-Grade software is for people who can delegate all the shit so someone else. People like us are the ones who actually personally experience the ra...
[06:35:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:36] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[06:35:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:38] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[06:35:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:40] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[06:35:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:42] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[06:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:44] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[06:35:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:47] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[06:35:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:49] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[06:35:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:51] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[06:35:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:53] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[06:35:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:35:55] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[06:36:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:05] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[06:36:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:07] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[06:36:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:09] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[06:36:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:11] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[06:36:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:13] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[06:36:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:16] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[06:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:18] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[06:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:20] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[06:36:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:22] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[06:36:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:24] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[06:36:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 5, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:27] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[06:36:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:29] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[06:36:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:31] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[06:36:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:33] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[06:36:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:36] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[06:36:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:38] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[06:36:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:40] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[06:36:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:42] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[06:36:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:44] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[06:36:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:46] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[06:36:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:49] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[06:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:51] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[06:36:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:53] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[06:36:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:55] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[06:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:57] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[06:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:00] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[06:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:02] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[06:37:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:04] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[06:37:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:06] <exec> 08└─> Google indicates human powered hydrofoil is a thing and 21 MPH is achievable. Yep, I was part of the group that ran the human powered watercraft speed prizes. We had DuPont as a sponsor and eventually gave away $35K over 4 years, c.1990. I also got to pedal a couple of the different hydrofoils and...
[06:37:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1096 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:08] <exec> 08└─There is a vortex in the water near the tip of each oar. Vortexes have already been determined to matter for aircraft (thus wingtip devices) and for fast-moving fish. Vortexes surely matter for rowing. After an oar is lifted, a vortex remains in the water. It moves backwards (toward stern) and inwar...
[06:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:17] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[06:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:20] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[06:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:22] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[06:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:24] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[06:37:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:26] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[06:37:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:28] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[06:37:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Interesting) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:30] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[06:37:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:33] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[06:37:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:35] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[06:37:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:37] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[06:37:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:39] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[06:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:41] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[06:37:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:44] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[06:37:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:46] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[06:37:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:48] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[06:37:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:50] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[06:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:53] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[06:37:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:55] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[06:37:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:57] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[06:37:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:37:59] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[06:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:02] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[06:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:04] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[06:38:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:06] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[06:38:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:08] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[06:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:10] <exec> 08└─Your demo fails when you add the PS2 slim and the PS4 pro. The point of the weird monikers is that all XBox "One" should be compatible games-wise. But my mom would get lost and wait for the boys to write down the exact thing needed. Exhibit B: Ask a Spanish speaker (so few of them in the US, right?)...
[06:38:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:21] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[06:38:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:23] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[06:38:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:25] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[06:38:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:27] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[06:38:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:30] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[06:38:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:32] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[06:38:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:34] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[06:38:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:36] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[06:38:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:38] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[06:38:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:41] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[06:38:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:43] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[06:38:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:45] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[06:38:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:47] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[06:38:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:49] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:38:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03cockroach [2266] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:51] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[06:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:54] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[06:38:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:56] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[06:38:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:38:58] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[06:38:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:00] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[06:39:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:02] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[06:39:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:05] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:39:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:07] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[06:39:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:09] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[06:39:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:11] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[06:39:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:14] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[06:39:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:16] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[06:39:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:18] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[06:39:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:20] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[06:39:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:22] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[06:39:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:25] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[06:39:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:27] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[06:39:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:29] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[06:39:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:31] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[06:39:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:33] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[06:39:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:35] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[06:39:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:38] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[06:39:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:40] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[06:39:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:42] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[06:39:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:44] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[06:39:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:47] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[06:39:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:49] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[06:39:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:51] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[06:39:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:53] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[06:39:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:55] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[06:39:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:39:58] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[06:39:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:00] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[06:40:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:02] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[06:40:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:04] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[06:40:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:06] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[06:40:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:09] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[06:40:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:11] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[06:40:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:13] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[06:40:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:15] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[06:40:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:17] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[06:40:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:20] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[06:40:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:22] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[06:40:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:24] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[06:40:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:26] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[06:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:29] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[06:40:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:31] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[06:40:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:33] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[06:40:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:35] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[06:40:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:38] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[06:40:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:40] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[06:40:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:42] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[06:40:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:44] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[06:40:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:46] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[06:40:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:49] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[06:40:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:51] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[06:40:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:53] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[06:40:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:55] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[06:40:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:57] <exec> 08└─Someone who is scared off by an interesting name is probably not the ideal user for Linux. Folks who think that Lubuntu is weird would also think that Ubuntu was weird. Some folks are curious enough to Google that. [google.com] Lubuntu could be thought of as "Light Ubuntu", suitable for older, less...
[06:40:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2, Troll) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:00] <exec> 08└─Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[06:41:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:02] <exec> 08└─Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
[06:41:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:04] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[06:41:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:06] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[06:41:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:09] <exec> 08└─You're not seeing good technical justifications because the justifications are shit and don't really go along with how unix commands should work. So it's a hard sell. Essentially: ifconfig didn't have feature X because it only cared about interfaces. ip has Y and Z because those have to do with the...
[06:41:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:11] <exec> 08└─It can't write documentation for shit, is one. Seriously, EBNF is for language spec and compiler design, not teaching. In the past five years I've found exactly zero useful tutorials on how to actually use the iproute packages. And no, one-off "this is how you use ip to do this rare ifconfig thing"...
[06:41:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:13] <exec> 08└─The fact that their idea of "help" is BNF suggests that they're idiots, assholes, or both. Maybe there's a more charitable explanation, but it's clear that they're not interested in making it possible for people to begin using it before they're experts in using it. The various BSDs are looking bette...
[06:41:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:23] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[06:41:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:25] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[06:41:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:27] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[06:41:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:30] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[06:41:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:32] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[06:41:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:34] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[06:41:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:36] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[06:41:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:39] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[06:41:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:41] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[06:41:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:43] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[06:41:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:45] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[06:41:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:47] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[06:41:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:50] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[06:41:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:52] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[06:41:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:54] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[06:41:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:56] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[06:41:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:41:59] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[06:42:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:01] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[06:42:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:03] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[06:42:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:05] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[06:42:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:07] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[06:42:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:10] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[06:42:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:12] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[06:42:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:14] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[06:42:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:16] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[06:42:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:18] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[06:42:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:21] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[06:42:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:23] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[06:42:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:25] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[06:42:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:27] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[06:42:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:29] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[06:42:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:32] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[06:42:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:34] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[06:42:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:36] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[06:42:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:38] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[06:42:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:40] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[06:42:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:43] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[06:42:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:45] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[06:42:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:47] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[06:42:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:49] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[06:42:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:51] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[06:42:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:54] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[06:42:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:56] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[06:42:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:58] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[06:43:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:00] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[06:43:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:03] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[06:43:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:05] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[06:43:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:07] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[06:43:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:09] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[06:43:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:11] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[06:43:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:13] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[06:43:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:16] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[06:43:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:18] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[06:43:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:20] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[06:43:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:22] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[06:43:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:25] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[06:43:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:27] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[06:43:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:29] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[06:43:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:31] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[06:43:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:33] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[06:43:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:36] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[06:43:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:38] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[06:43:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:40] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[06:43:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:42] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[06:43:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:44] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[06:43:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:47] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[06:43:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:49] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[06:43:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:51] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[06:43:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:53] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[06:43:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:56] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[06:43:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:58] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[06:43:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:00] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[06:44:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:02] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[06:44:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:04] <exec> 08└─A few months ago I posted my recipe for Cranberry mead here. I'm still waiting for the other half of the swap.
[06:44:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:07] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it's never the stupid fucking bankrupt loser's fault. MUST be rich old whitey to blame!! Only possible option! Throw out some vague hypothetical racism accusations out there to cover your tracks, then shut the browser window, secure in your own personal victory.
[06:44:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:09] <exec> 08└─You wrote all that shit just to prove the GP's point. *slow clap*
[06:44:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 704 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:11] <exec> 08└─The most obvious problem is Spanish. We are already having a bit of a disaster; we shouldn't make it worse. A country has problems with unity if there is more than one language. The economy suffers too; you can never reach your full potential with all the overhead of translation and the friction in...
[06:44:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:19] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[06:44:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:21] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[06:44:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:24] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[06:44:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:26] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[06:44:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:28] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[06:44:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:30] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[06:44:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:32] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[06:44:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:34] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[06:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:37] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[06:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:39] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[06:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:41] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[06:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:43] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[06:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:45] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[06:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:48] <exec> 08└─Nope, censorship is always evil and should be circumvented by any means possible. There is nothing on any part of the internet that can make a person act involuntarily. So stop with the scapegoating. If you find something you consider offensive, tune it out, and teach your damn kids to do the same t...
[06:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:50] <exec> 08└─Well ... Having been unwillingly the center of some heavily visited article on the green website, because I said something on a then popular OSS mailing list to RMS, I can tell you that no matter how politically correct you were; people will make up huge huge huge piles of bullshit about you as soon...
[06:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:01] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[06:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:03] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[06:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:05] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[06:45:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:07] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[06:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:10] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[06:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:12] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[06:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:14] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[06:45:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:16] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[06:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:19] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[06:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:21] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[06:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:23] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[06:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:25] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[06:45:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:27] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[06:45:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:30] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[06:45:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:32] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[06:45:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:34] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[06:45:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:36] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[06:45:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:39] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[06:45:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:41] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[06:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:43] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[06:45:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:45] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[06:45:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:47] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[06:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:49] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[06:45:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:52] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[06:45:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:54] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[06:45:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:56] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[06:45:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:58] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[06:46:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:01] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[06:46:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:03] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[06:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:05] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[06:46:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:07] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[06:46:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:09] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[06:46:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:12] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[06:46:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:14] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[06:46:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:16] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[06:46:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:18] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[06:46:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:20] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[06:46:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:23] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[06:46:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:25] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[06:46:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:27] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[06:46:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:29] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[06:46:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:32] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[06:46:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:34] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[06:46:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:36] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[06:46:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:38] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[06:46:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:40] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[06:46:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:43] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[06:46:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:45] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[06:46:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:47] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[06:46:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:49] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[06:46:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:51] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[06:46:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:54] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[06:46:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:56] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[06:46:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:46:58] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[06:46:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:00] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[06:47:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:02] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[06:47:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:05] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[06:47:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:07] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[06:47:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:09] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[06:47:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:11] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[06:47:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:13] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[06:47:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:16] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[06:47:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:18] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[06:47:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:20] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[06:47:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:22] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[06:47:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:24] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[06:47:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:27] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[06:47:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:29] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[06:47:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:31] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[06:47:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:33] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[06:47:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:35] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[06:47:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:38] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[06:47:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:40] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[06:47:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:42] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[06:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:44] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[06:47:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:46] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[06:47:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:49] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[06:47:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:51] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[06:47:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:53] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[06:47:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:55] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[06:47:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:57] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[06:47:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:59] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[06:48:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:02] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[06:48:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:04] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[06:48:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:06] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[06:48:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:08] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[06:48:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:11] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[06:48:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:13] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[06:48:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:15] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[06:48:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:17] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[06:48:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:20] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[06:48:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:22] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[06:48:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:24] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[06:48:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:26] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[06:48:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:28] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[06:48:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:31] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[06:48:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:33] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[06:48:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:35] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[06:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:37] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[06:48:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:39] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[06:48:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:49] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[06:48:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:51] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[06:48:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:53] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[06:48:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:55] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[06:48:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:58] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[06:48:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:00] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[06:49:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:02] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[06:49:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:04] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[06:49:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:06] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[06:49:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:09] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[06:49:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:11] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[06:49:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:13] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[06:49:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:15] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[06:49:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:18] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[06:49:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:20] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[06:49:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:22] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[06:49:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:24] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[06:49:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:26] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[06:49:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:29] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[06:49:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:31] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[06:49:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:33] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[06:49:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:35] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[06:49:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:37] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[06:49:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:40] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[06:49:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:42] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[06:49:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:44] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[06:49:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:46] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[06:49:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:48] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[06:49:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:51] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[06:49:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:53] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[06:49:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:55] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[06:49:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:57] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[06:49:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:49:59] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[06:50:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:02] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[06:50:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:04] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[06:50:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:06] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[06:50:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:08] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[06:50:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:10] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[06:50:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:13] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[06:50:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:15] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[06:50:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:17] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[06:50:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:19] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[06:50:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:21] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[06:50:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:24] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[06:50:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:26] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[06:50:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:28] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[06:50:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:30] <exec> 08└─Indeed I did, and that raised an eyebrow. It didn't, however, trigger me...as it seems to have done to you. Runaway, you have some serious unresolved fucking daddy issues, you know that? This weird, slavish authoritarianism coupled with an almost unconscious reactive insistence that you're not actua...
[06:50:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:32] <exec> 08└─No, the succession is controlled by the Parliaments of the Commonwealth, they all have to agree to a change in succession such as the recent changes that allowed the oldest child to succeed whether male or female. Charles can quit as soon as he is declared King but as long as he is alive, he is next...
[06:50:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:35] <exec> 08└─Charles can't abdicate his claim, the best he can do is abdicate after being declared King. Might only be a King for an instant, but he still has to be King to abdicate. Of course the Parliaments of the Commonwealth could change the succession law again but it doesn't seem likely. The Statute of Wes...
[06:50:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:43] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[06:50:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:45] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[06:50:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:48] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[06:50:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:50] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[06:50:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:52] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[06:50:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:54] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[06:50:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:56] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[06:50:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:50:59] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[06:51:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:01] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[06:51:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:03] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[06:51:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:05] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[06:51:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:07] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[06:51:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:10] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[06:51:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:12] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[06:51:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:14] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[06:51:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:16] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[06:51:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:27] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[06:51:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:29] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[06:51:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:32] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[06:51:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:34] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[06:51:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:36] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[06:51:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:38] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[06:51:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:40] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[06:51:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:43] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[06:51:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:45] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[06:51:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:47] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[06:51:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:49] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[06:51:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:51] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[06:51:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:54] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[06:51:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:56] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[06:51:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:51:58] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[06:51:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:00] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[06:52:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:02] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
[06:52:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:05] <exec> 08└─I actually sort of agree with you -- not necessarily that this article shouldn't be here at all (I personally find it interesting), but stuff like this with no tech/science angle at all perhaps should be flagged somehow. This one could probably fall under "politics," since it's pretty clear this was...
[06:52:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:07] <exec> 08└─You are correct. The North had much more industry, much more population, and more food production. The South's only hope was to have the war end quickly, preferably with the support of a foreign power like Britain. The Northern naval blockade prevented that.
[06:52:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:09] <exec> 08└─Robert E. Lee was not a bad general. That much is certain regardless of what this historian wrote. He was more than competent. He did make some mistakes on occasion, such as at the Battle of Gettysburg, which was turned out to be the turning point in the war. But when you consider that he was fighti...
[06:52:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:11] <exec> 08└─Probably should reevaluate Lincoln's decision making as well. Lincoln was dumb enough that he actually wanted Lee to head up the union army.
[06:52:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:13] <exec> 08└─That being said, I don't know much about combat history, but removing statues is bullshit.
[06:52:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:16] <exec> 08└─Not only that, but I think there's different degrees here. For instance, should a statue of General Lee, installed not long after the Civil War by defeated Confederates be removed? Now, should an obelisk built in 1891 to honor a white supremacist group who fought against integration in the New Orlea...
[06:52:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 0, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:18] <exec> 08└─I think a good compromise would be to ship all those disgruntled slaves' descendants to Los Angeles and San Francisco with plenty of downtown properties converted to affordable housing for them -- calling it "reparations." It's a win-win situation that also preserves American history.
[06:52:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:20] <exec> 08└─Oh, in addition: I agree that keeping that symbol of injustice seems bad, however how about this suggestion: if the anti-statue-removal people don't want Lee's statue removed, how about if we put statues of Grant and Lincoln right next to it? Would they be in favor of that, or against? Then the desc...
[06:52:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:22] <exec> 08└─Paid for primarily with extra taxes on the southern colonies, right?
[06:52:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:25] <exec> 08└─"oakgrove has 0 submissions" Huh! oakgrove submits nothing, but complains when others do!?! What. A. Surprise.
[06:52:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 734 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:27] <exec> 08└─This happens a lot because the further out you get from a historical event or a person's lifetime, the less control there is over what you dig up. New letters surface and people are willing to say things about dictators that weren't safe to say while the tyrant was in control of the country. But, af...
[06:52:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:29] <exec> 08└─No, what are you, racist or something? Refugees Welcome, as some people like to say.
[06:52:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:31] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. That sounds awfully like political correctness to me. Did your account get hacked?
[06:52:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:33] <exec> 08└─It lost! Get over it!
[06:52:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:35] <exec> 08└─right next to it, and bigger and much more prominent roo, perhaps looking down with a look of pity mixed with scorn as well. Especially Sherman.
[06:52:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:38] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but let's remember also the huge symbolism that Arlington National Cemetery is... it was Robt E Lee's estate before the Civil War..
[06:52:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:40] <exec> 08└─Also, Bamiyan statues need to be removed for they stand for the glory of infidels and non-believers who. thankfully, we have stoned to death long time ago. All praise the almighty Allah!
[06:52:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:42] <exec> 08└─Tech nexus, politics nexus, general/other nexus? Start using nexus' more so those who want to see certain stuff can opt in or out of categories. Maybe make tech the "default" nexus with others hidden so we don't have to have crybabies whining in every political/non-tech article and let the those tha...
[06:52:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:44] <exec> 08└─So did American Indians. Yet I'm sure you're not snidely saying the same thing to them, dickhead.
[06:52:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:46] <exec> 08└─Lee and most Confederate Generals apparently thought that they were still going up against swordsmen or smooth-bore muskets in the 1860s. The rifled firearms and minnie balls of the era could cut a force to pieces at a range of hundreds of yards--not to mention grapeshot and cannister rounds from ar...
[06:52:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:49] <exec> 08└─No, it's not. It should have been done a long, long time ago.
[06:52:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:51] <exec> 08└─James Burke [google.com] should have been writing those History books. Howard Zinn [google.com] is another guy who -did- write History books--and didn't just repeat the White-people-are-awesome myths. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:52:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:53] <exec> 08└─You don't even need to say "broadly". The Civil War was about which commanders could best use technology. They mostly did a shit job, choosing attrition. Lee, in particular. See my comment #524126 [soylentnews.org]. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:52:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:55] <exec> 08└─>But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job" The allegation in the actual article was that Lee was a failed strategist, and it's hard to disagree given the strategic choices laid out (namely making it an offensive war). Tactically yes, Lee was good; there was a reaso...
[06:52:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:52:57] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad idea at all. Sort of reminds me of the Confederate memorial on Martha's Vineyard. "WHAT?!" you say, "Another confederate memorial in Massachusetts? I thought Charlie Baker wanted to tear down the "only one" [bostonmagazine.com]." Nope. There's a much more interesting confederate mem...
[06:52:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:00] <exec> 08└─In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!
[06:53:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:02] <exec> 08└─Sometimes, great men are forced to make decisions that they don't like. Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his home state. Big difference there. Of course, today's politically correct crowd are incapable of distinguishing the difference. Another great man who should be honored, but is not,...
[06:53:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:04] <exec> 08└─Agreed. I never heard of those insurrectionists, until recently. They mean nothing to me, and I can't even be assed to do the minimal research that might make them mean something. Trash the obelisk, I don't care. No one outside of New Orleans - certainly no one outside Louisiana cares about it.
[06:53:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:06] <exec> 08└─Tell you what, I'll put up a statue of Grant next to Lee's if you put a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Lincoln Memorial. Deal?
[06:53:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:08] <exec> 08└─Has no one ever informed you that it was YOUR FAULT that you never studied recent American history? For my part, we, as a class, never really studied WWII. I, personally, devoted uncounted hours to studying Hitler, the Third Reich, the officers, and the Holocaust, BEFORE I graduated from high school...
[06:53:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:11] <exec> 08└─Another great man who should be honored, but is not, is Erwin Rommel. Rommel was among the most honorable men in Germany
[06:53:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:13] <exec> 08└─What I meant by "technical" there wasn't necessarily technology, but I guess something more like "academic" or "nerdy" rather than articles just on random pop culture topics or recipes for souffle (unless the souffle article details the science behind them or something).
[06:53:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:15] <exec> 08└─Let me add a little to your perspective. The Grand Old Army, that is the Union Army, was infested with incompetent officers who were appointed for political reasons, and due to family connections, when the war began. Incompetent fools were dismissed and replaced repeatedly for the first couple years...
[06:53:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:17] <exec> 08└─Thank you for that. I've heard of Mackensen, but know almost nothing about him. I had never heard of this monument before. My studies have been from the Anglo point of view, most of the time. There was a time, when good officers were taught to respect the enemy. If the enemy could make you bleed, he...
[06:53:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:20] <exec> 08└─My post is much like your own: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] Grant was pretty damned good, but without Sherman, Grant's efforts would have been much more costly to the North.
[06:53:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:22] <exec> 08└─LoL, nice to know that the "obama was just as bad" concept isn't anything new. Lincoln was to Lee as Obama is to Trump? We can only hope that this generation's flaming bigot falls even harder.
[06:53:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:24] <exec> 08└─What we choose to honor and given public space speaks a lot about our culture. Move these statues to the local museum of shame. "Look kids, here are some of our bigger fuck ups, please learn from their mistakes."
[06:53:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:26] <exec> 08└─Pickett's Charge was just stupid. Frontal assaults on dug-in troops in 1863 was suicide.[1] Lee telling Pickett to have his division cross hundreds of yards of of open ground wasn't tactically or strategically[2] smart.
[06:53:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:28] <exec> 08└─His statue is a symbol of everything the South stood for, including slavery.
[06:53:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:31] <exec> 08└─Lee was exactly the sort of general the South wanted. The whole Southern Gentleman propaganda pushed for an aggressive style of war. They wanted not just to win the war, but to win it in a very manly way with glorious victory after glorious victory. Stupid, but then, it was stupid to have started th...
[06:53:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:33] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid, by 1914 the generals STILL hadn't figured out that it was stupid and now there were MACHINE GUNS. As long as commanders were actually -leading- their forces, the stupidity had a natural limiting factor. (The stupid commanders were killed in battle.) The...
[06:53:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:35] <exec> 08└─Well, you got 2 of the words right. G.A.R. == Grand Army of the Republic -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:53:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:37] <exec> 08└─http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/040218.html [genealogytoday.com] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] "The "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR) was a fraternal organization composed of veterans of the Union Army" Please don't confuse a fraternity with the...
[06:53:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:39] <exec> 08└─Not only is charging a dug-in opponent stupid
[06:53:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:42] <exec> 08└─Lee wouldn't have been a tyrant at any point so that restriction doesn't apply. And after the war, perhaps former Confederate sources might be circumspect due to social pressures, but Union ones wouldn't be so affected. It appears that there was a great deal of respect on the Union side for the man...
[06:53:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:44] <exec> 08└─Welp, jmorris can't possibly disagree with you on everything. It's natural bias for him to sound more reasonable when he agrees with you than when he disagrees.
[06:53:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:46] <exec> 08└─Wikipedia is a genuine wonder of the world when it comes to stuff like this. It's by necessity a bit superficial, but can quickly tell you who did what, even bit players. This can lead to the discovery of connections that normal discourse on history tends to gloss over. For example, one of the most...
[06:53:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:48] <exec> 08└─Germany lost WWI and beating them up for it didn't work out so well. So there was a do over called WWII. This rewriting of history to feel better is not a smart move. It's kind of like asking for a ham fisted do over on the reconciliation that made a United States after the civil war. PC is not alwa...
[06:53:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:51] <exec> 08└─The problem with a policy of censorship because they're not progressive enough is there is no logical limit. We'll have to bulldoze over the washington monument because he owned slaves, and nuke the city of Rome from orbit just to be sure because the Roman Empire was rather problematic. We gotta bul...
[06:53:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:53] <exec> 08└─And most history should be like that, less focused on Great Men
[06:53:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:55] <exec> 08└─I'm tolerable good at analogies. I'll try to squirt out two good ones. This is similar to endless Monday morning quarterbacking about how "640K should be enough for anyone" and all that crap. I was THERE in the old days and a lot of stuff didn't last very long so planning for the future was really s...
[06:53:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:53:57] <exec> 08└─Your comment is underrated in that it was a confusing era to live thru and a bit of hero worship of Lee was important to healing the military, post war. Before the war the army was one big happy family, right? Then for a couple years a family feud. Then in theory one big happy family again. Thats go...
[06:53:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:00] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[06:54:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:02] <exec> 08└─People are already trying to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson and other prominent figures that weren't on the side of the Confederacy or even involved in the Civil War. It's only a matter of time before the only thing people are taught about US history is that old white men are bad.
[06:54:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:04] <exec> 08└─He doesn't have a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because he was the greatest general ever. He has a street and a school and a public square in every town in the south named after him because "fuck you, you goddamn yankees!"
[06:54:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:06] <exec> 08└─I've got a different idea for a compromise. Get all those people who still support the "Southern Culture" of the antebellum US South. That is gather all the people together that support keeping and creating statues celebrating a culture that enslaves humans beings, a culture that believed in enslavi...
[06:54:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:08] <exec> 08└─Plus, Lincoln told England that if they didn't stop trading with the south he would consider that an act of war. It could have been a different outcome if England had said piss off and continued supplying the south. What was Lincoln going to do, fight two wars at the same time?
[06:54:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:11] <exec> 08└─Why should a traitor get a statue in the nation's capital? Honestly, I think the Union did the wrong thing by re-admitting the Southern states. They should have remained occupied territory, with their citizens always kept as second-class citizens. If they still haven't figured out after over 150 yea...
[06:54:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:13] <exec> 08└─I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, though I don't claim to be a military historian, so I'm not really going to weigh in on the details. My objection was primarily with the overall tone of the article (specifically its headline and conclusion). Yes, a lot of the concerns about strategy in...
[06:54:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:15] <exec> 08└─I submitted it weeks ago on a slow news day. Many american geeks like to obsess about two wars, WWII and the American Civil War. I thought the SN crowd might enjoy responding to the article's premise.
[06:54:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:17] <exec> 08└─Yep, 'cause not celebrating someone is the exact same thing as systematically removing him from the history books.
[06:54:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:19] <exec> 08└─Give them time...
[06:54:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:22] <exec> 08└─Actually, from a liberal perspective it is more important to leave the history intact so that people can learn from their mistakes. But hey, I'm responding to VLM so this is all gibberish apparently.
[06:54:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:24] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[06:54:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:26] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the statue of Benjamin Franklin Butler.
[06:54:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:29] <exec> 08└─You been snorting crack again?
[06:54:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:31] <exec> 08└─You know, it's amazing. There were two Buddha statues in Afghanistan, a pair of twin Buddha statues. And in New York City, there were the two twin towers of the World Trade Center. And both sets were destroyed by Islam, by radical Islam. Mullah Omar said no, don't blow up the statues. But the radica...
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[06:54:33] <exec> 08└─You know, Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee. And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew J...
[06:54:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:35] <exec> 08└─This right here. He held his own very well and gave more than he got against an in all ways superior force that was being woefully mismanaged. The problem the Lincoln administration had was the Army he inherited was a political thing not a fighting force. That took time to fix. Ironically, Lee was o...
[06:54:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:37] <exec> 08└─History is what people repeat about the past - not an accurate, complete, nor unbiased account of anything. BTW, this story seems to be rebel-baiting.
[06:54:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:39] <exec> 08└─That last sentence just explains so much about you.
[06:54:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:42] <exec> 08└─Now - I wonder if you can identify the politician who ran for office in the United States, who enjoyed the fruits of slave black labor?
[06:54:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:44] <exec> 08└─Ahhhh - relativism. If it's not been made illegal, then it's not so bad. Or less bad. Excusable, anyway. Got it. Anyway, here's one lady's take on the issue: https://kmgarcia2000.blogspot.com [blogspot.com]
[06:54:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:46] <exec> 08└─That's a gross mis-characterization of what I wrote.
[06:54:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:48] <exec> 08└─Fake af. REAL Donal Trump wouldn't know about Bamiyan's statues, nor will most his followers :p
[06:54:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:50] <exec> 08└─Well if you wanna go down the rabbit hole, you need to follow the white rabbit.
[06:54:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:54:59] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[06:55:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:01] <exec> 08└─The dd utility is part of any respectable *NIX distribution and first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. https://www.freebsd.org(1) [freebsd.org] http://man7.org [man7.org] That said, it is not unheard of to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's...
[06:55:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:03] <exec> 08└─it was mentioned that dd (sometimes referred to as Data Dump), an app that comes with pretty much every Linux distro,
[06:55:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:05] <exec> 08└─Mint users are pretty much Windows users, never mind that Mint as a distro is bug-ridden gobshite and I have no idea how it got hyped to the point it did. Still, they need tools that are easy-to-understand if not one-click solutions. Not fifty-million goddamn options that 99% of people don't even us...
[06:55:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:08] <exec> 08└─I miss reading those Microsoft help websites where MS techs only give you notebook scripted answers instead of getting to a solution. Q: "My mouse won't work" A: :First run your antivirus, then check for updates, then restart your PC, and if that doesn't fix it reinstall Windows.
[06:55:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:10] <exec> 08└─Your Mint experience is nothing like mine. I have been using Mint for about 2 years and have never had a problem, with the notable exception of a Bluetooth mouse that stopped working. I think I started with version 17.0 and have just upgraded every time a new release happened, so I must be on 18.1 n...
[06:55:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:12] <exec> 08└─You'd think that a bootable USB image of Linux would Just Work nowadays, nope! Still gotta fuck with options when writing the image , then again fuck with boot options to get it to boot.
[06:55:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:14] <exec> 08└─+1 positive mint experience. Mint was my introduction to Linux as a desktop OS. Coming from Windows, Cinnamon was a very comfortable DTE and matching shortcuts for things like minimising/maximising was nice when doing the boring day to day desktop stuff: browsing the internet, reading email, typing...
[06:55:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:16] <exec> 08└─Clem's response to Kim, linked as tools [linuxmint.com] says simply extract the img image from the ZIP and then right-click it and select "Make bootable USB stick"
[06:55:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:19] <exec> 08└─This has ALWAYS been a problem.
[06:55:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:21] <exec> 08└─OK. dd is an internal command, not a separate executable file. So, "app" isn't the ideal word; "command" would have been better. There's no requirement for the guy who compiled -your- kernel to include it, so there's a possibility that it's not there to be run. There are a scad of interpretations/ex...
[06:55:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:23] <exec> 08└─On my Linux system, dd is an executable file. Specifically, /bin/dd Or has systemd managed to screw even that up?
[06:55:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:25] <exec> 08└─Hmmm, yeah. There that sucker is. That would seem to strike 1 of the sighs. (It's still possible to omit it.) ...as well as the assertion of another commenter about its app-ness. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:55:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:27] <exec> 08└─You're tiresome.
[06:55:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:30] <exec> 08└─It comes with proprietary software out of the box (not limited to firmware) and its repositories don't separate free software from proprietary. Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[06:55:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:32] <exec> 08└─...to boot in some other OS to run a manufacturer's configuration utility. This was very common in the days DOS was still around,..
[06:55:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:34] <exec> 08└─Garmin GPS - Windows only for updates. Canon scanner - Windows only software (slide scanning) Mac support, sometimes. Linux, sadly, an afterthought. We are after all, only 2% of the world 'market', but we are the 2% what make it happen and who know stuff. 98% sheep don't make it the right technology...
[06:55:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:36] <exec> 08└─dd has nothing to do with the kernel, so whoever did what when building the kernel is irrelevant. Under GNU/Linux distributions, it's in the coreutils package.
[06:55:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:38] <exec> 08└─Mint is a mess, don't go there.
[06:55:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:41] <exec> 08└─Not always. When I needed to update the BIOS on my Pentium 4 motherboard, I got a DOS executable. I downloaded a floppy image of OpenDOS, which worked fine for the job.
[06:55:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:43] <exec> 08└─The only Windows-only tool that is mentioned in the article is the tool Win32DiskImager. I never before even heard of that tool, but yet it is very obvious what it is used for: To make a bootable USB stick from the disk image provided. Now obviously for a computer marketed specifically for Linux, it...
[06:55:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 1149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:45] <exec> 08└─I agree that "command" would have been a more appropriate word, but for different reasons. As others noted, dd is indeed an executable file. However in my book an app (or application) is a program which is controlled through its UI (doesn't need to be a GUI; the point is that you first start the pro...
[06:55:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:47] <exec> 08└─But when the doggie-doo hits the BIOS fan, they only have one tool in their toolbox.
[06:55:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zyx Abacab [3701] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:49] <exec> 08└─If systemd's `rm -r .*` walks up the entire filesystem-hierarchy, you can fully expect systemd's `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3` to nuke all your hard disks, flash drives, blank DVDs, network shares, and brain-cells. That behaviour is just an ordinary UNIX pitfall, no? [github.com]
[06:55:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 634 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:52] <exec> 08└─I really do not know how much manufacturers use Windows bios update tools; I do not use Windows much. If I had to implement something of the sort, FreeDOS is likely what I would use as well. That said, the procedures referred to above seem to call for Win32 Disk Imager, a utility built for Windows...
[06:55:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:54] <exec> 08└─Nothing that a 8G USB stick won't fix.
[06:55:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:56] <exec> 08└─cannot be used easily from a desktop environment Your exception actually means that a commandline invoked executable are very easy to use from a desktop environment, with the commandline switches it is in fact often easier than hunting through ever increasing levels of menus with a mouse. This is es...
[06:55:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:55:58] <exec> 08└─*sh are not terminals, but shells. Terminals (or rather, terminal emulators) are xterm, konsole and Gnome-Terminal. And no, I don't consider running commands from a terminal window as "running from a desktop environment". The terminal runs on the desktop environment. The command runs on the terminal...
[06:56:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06PC Running Linux Mint: Use MS-Only Software to Fix It? - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:01] <exec> 08└─I had once to update bios and i had already got rid of waste of gb windows. So I crossed fingers and used freedos, it worked. Of course if it fails you are truly fvkked.
[06:56:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:10] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians - perhaps even those mentioned in the three combined stories - were so quick to recognize (possible) mistakes and were s...
[06:56:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 2023 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:12] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable "Trump Derangement Syndrome" victimposting combined with a bit of humor. I mean, for any random comment in three stories couldn't it appear in the other two almost unchanged? Colo had something insightful on that...
[06:56:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:14] <exec> 08└─I submitted the thing about the UK elections - I was surprised no one else had as it has been quite a big thing in the UK. I was a bit cheesed off that it got lumped in with the FBI stuff, but figured it was just a bad judgement. No problem. Thanks for the apology.
[06:56:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:16] <exec> 08└─That's a man's admission, not a boy's... MartyB, you're all right, you are... it takes guts to do this. You did and you learned from it. Please continue your contributions, they are valued!
[06:56:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:19] <exec> 08└─Kill yourself now.
[06:56:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:21] <exec> 08└─His Words: "Brexit is coming."
[06:56:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:23] <exec> 08└─Amid all this hoopla, Puerto Rico is voting today (Sunday 6/11/17) on whether to seek full statehood. http://www.npr.org [npr.org] You would think, with all the press, they would be trying to...
[06:56:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:25] <exec> 08└─it has been quite a big thing in the UK
[06:56:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:27] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt, well, hope all you want its free... Also for practical political reasons the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state. I'm not seeing them admitted any time soon.
[06:56:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:30] <exec> 08└─As punishment I suggest Marty B be sent to Washing D.C. to serve in the senate as an actual senator. Lecturing to psychopaths will get you nowhere. I'm disappointed. I thought everybody knew that by now. Don't bother 'lecturing' these people. You have to vote them out. It's the only way.
[06:56:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:32] <exec> 08└─"On the other hand, there were three stories but the comments will be indistinguishable" Yes, thanks to partisan posters like yourself, who can't comprehend someone with a different opinion. Funny that one of the worst offenders with Hillary/Obama/Comey derangement syndrome pointing this out.
[06:56:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:34] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[06:56:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:36] <exec> 08└─... you'll be first up against the wall. But seriously - I thought the merged stories were appropriate, and did not agree with all of your flamers.
[06:56:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:39] <exec> 08└─As i said in my editor's note... There will be a proper UK election story soon, there has been a lot of coverage in the online editorial form, but very little in the way of actual confirmed details of the results... What was confirmed, the 'confidence and supply deal' with the DUP was retracted. The...
[06:56:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:41] <exec> 08└─Well now we know MDC is a UEL. United Empire Loyalist. Relocate to Canada while your Queen has a few years of life still in her.
[06:56:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 1344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:43] <exec> 08└─Been following it fairly closely. May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result. May and her party, the conservatives*, had a decent majority. *Think old school Republican's At this point Corbyn, the leader of the Labour* party, was (quite liter...
[06:56:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:45] <exec> 08└─Probably because you are too connected to US space? The two stories are different by implications.
[06:56:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:47] <exec> 08└─No hard feelings either.
[06:56:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:50] <exec> 08└─only one Politics story per day
[06:56:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:52] <exec> 08└─Hoping to federalize $120B of P.R. debt
[06:56:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:54] <exec> 08└─This bullshit apology story just ate the Politics quota for today? If martyb weren't a complete utter disingenuous cunt, he would have put this shit under Meta where it belongs. What a fucking cunt.
[06:56:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:56] <exec> 08└─There is no hard limit, but we do try to maintain a focus on technology and science. In my opinion there is such a wide intersection where politics meets science and technology. Your submitted story is a good example of this. We should have some focus on political stories that actually have some wid...
[06:56:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:56:58] <exec> 08└─I decided to leave it in Politics. The reason for this is... If you have Politics unchecked in your preferences, then you would not have seen the original story anyway so it's irrelevant to your use of the site. If you're an AC then it doesn't matter either, as you can't set preferences. I could hav...
[06:57:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:01] <exec> 08└─Don't we have the nexus so people can avoid Politics if they wish?
[06:57:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:03] <exec> 08└─Keep up the good work Marty and everyone else. Yeah, I know... ass-hat will come along now and say something unkind.
[06:57:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:05] <exec> 08└─Agreed, if you're going to open your borders to packs of wild animals, then you might as well admit those wild animals who have decent music and rum and love bikes and guns. That being said, we should be the ones offering to pay other nations to take Puerto Rico from us.
[06:57:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:07] <exec> 08└─Says the boy who never made a mistake, ever.
[06:57:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:09] <exec> 08└─> Coverage has been very ... muted. Gee, I wonder where you get your international news? Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet (NE USA), and even more after midnight when that FM station switches over to the BBC World Service. I often play this BBC news on the clock radio sleep timer...
[06:57:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03woodcruft [6528] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:12] <exec> 08└─Although it's appreciated. I guess the audience for this site is largely from IT but it doesn't mean we have no interest in other matters and on occasion you get times when a pile of say important political events happen, like recently. In the past year we have seen a number of seismic political e...
[06:57:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:14] <exec> 08└─May inherited the leadership from Cameron when he was disappointed with the Brexit Referendum result.
[06:57:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:16] <exec> 08└─Oh, and Washing D.C. [sic]...
[06:57:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:18] <exec> 08└─I 2nd this. MartyB, you contribute so much to this website, and through it, us, that I can only thank you for posting what you feel is important. As always I have the power to skim past it; but I'd rather it be there in the 1st place, giving me that option. Thank you!
[06:57:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Empyrean [5241] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:20] <exec> 08└─No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time." If only our politicians...
[06:57:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:23] <exec> 08└─Plenty of UK election coverage on my local NPR outlet Pacifica Radio in SoCal for the previous week (and more). [archive.li] (orig; Will age rapidly) [kpfk.org] Scroll to Friday June 9 and the 2 hosts (Brad and Suzi) who made the effort to type in some comments show evidence of their coverage. Other...
[06:57:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:25] <exec> 08└─One "Oh shit" wipes out a thousand Attaboys. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[06:57:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:27] <exec> 08└─I don't see what all the fuss was about. It's an interesting thought, and I'm glad martyb tried it--lumping the political stories of the day into one. I'm not convinced it's wrong. There is a real dilemma we have here, of scope and identity. I expect some difficulty as we figure it out. More importa...
[06:57:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:29] <exec> 08└─the R controlled congress is not going to admit a left leaning new state.
[06:57:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:31] <exec> 08└─I completely concur. Of course, there is also the minor matter of the requisite accompanying penalty [youtube.com].
[06:57:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:34] <exec> 08└─Agreed. It's good to change behavior but it takes balls to admit you were wrong. Thanks for all your work martyb!
[06:57:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Mea Culpa on Politics and Lessons Learned - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:57:36] <exec> 08└─So here we have a shining example of (what some perceive to be) a mistake and a lesson learned. No fuss, no muss, just "Wow ... we'll do better next time."
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[07:31:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:00] <exec> 08└─Nice to have a hobby, but since dark matter doesn't really exist in the real universe, this is just as fictional as Kerbal Space Program.
[07:31:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 1594 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:01] <exec> 08└─That's inaccurate. Neptune's existance [wikipedia.org] was predicted long before it was ever knowingly seen. The reason is that expected orbit of Uranus was not was actually observed given what was known of orbital physics at the time. And obviously it could have been just a problem with the orbital...
[07:31:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:04] <exec> 08└─Would a 1 exaflops supercomputer be able to simulate 200 trillion "macro-particles"?
[07:31:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:06] <exec> 08└─featuring a dark matter fluid evolving under its own gravity
[07:31:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:08] <exec> 08└─Having said that, why didn't they simulate this, then put jump gates in it and fund future research by using it as an Eve expansion cluster? :)
[07:31:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:10] <exec> 08└─Oh please. Everyone knows the universe is a skein in hyperspace and all we have to do is punch a warphole to uncover the energy grid and find an infinite supply of white chocolate cookies and basic income for all lifeforms in our post-scarcity ecomony of snack cakes and koolaid.
[07:31:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Largest Virtual Universe Ever Simulated - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:13] <exec> 08└─*Capri Sun. I hear it's stellar.
[07:31:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 2767 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:21] <exec> 08└─I know a little girl who has a kidney transplant. Her name is Ailes Brolly. "Ailes" is French for "Wings" as in Angel Wings. She was not expected to live longer than a month. She'd be about nine by now. Her mother and father are both carriers of Recessive Polycystic Kidney Disease. Neither of them k...
[07:31:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:23] <exec> 08└─The bad news is a shortage of organ donors because in this social climate of extreme conformity, reckless people got laid off for being non-team-players and now they're unemployed and can't afford motorcycles. But the good news is unemployed former tech workers who trained their H1B replacements wil...
[07:31:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:25] <exec> 08└─I'll sell you my diabetic kidney for 7 grand.
[07:31:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Diabetic Kidney is Better than Waiting - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:28] <exec> 08└─I'll do it for 6500 and I only got half the diabetes that other guy got...
[07:31:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 736 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:36] <exec> 08└─Basically, that money will be wasted, because the prison system is governmental and will therefore just swallow up private resources without being transformed appreciably (NO. There is is NO SUCH THING as a "private" prison; they all suck dependently at government's tax-dollar teat!). Why is art...
[07:31:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:38] <exec> 08└─I'll take that $165 million and you can't jail me because it would be incarceration. Hey listen up! Free tunes on me! I put $1000 in the jukebox for everybody except since I'm paying I get to choose the first ten songs. What do you mean you don't like my choice of music and I'm banned for life? Wher...
[07:31:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 771 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:40] <exec> 08└─It seems like Agnes Gund is a heavy hitter in the NY City art scene. Here is the original version of her Wiki page, from 22 January 2011 -- and as expected for a new page, it was tagged by Wiki editors as needing work, https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia....
[07:31:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:43] <exec> 08└─The reform project would put angry young black men back on the streets, so no, it will not be allowed to happen.
[07:31:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:45] <exec> 08└─This looks like a money laundering operation. Improper influence with donations/bribery is a crime.
[07:31:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:47] <exec> 08└─Which philanthropist should be thrown in jail? Both the seller and buyer are well documented philanthropists. Cohen (the buyer) is listed in Wiki at having already given away a significant part of $1Billion for various causes. And how can this art sale be money laundering when it's totally public?
[07:31:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score: 2) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:49] <exec> 08└─Which philanthropist should be thrown in jail?
[07:31:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:52] <exec> 08└─In this case, both. The buyer for funding the conspiracy, the seller for facilitating the money laundering. Why is the "Art" worth millions? Great way to move money isn't it?
[07:31:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:54] <exec> 08└─Supply of "1", demand all over the place.
[07:31:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06"Masterpiece" Painting Sold for $165 Million to Help Fund Criminal Justice Reform - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:31:56] <exec> 08└─How can it be "1" if you can find and make pieces of "Art" anywhere?
[07:32:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:04] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors makes me want one of these CPU's - NOT!!
[07:32:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:07] <exec> 08└─You're nominated to join the team as the designated whistleblower who checks for backdoors. Now take these coupons for discount hookers and get lost until your report is due. The young people have innovation to do.
[07:32:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:09] <exec> 08└─I cannot blame anyone whatsoever for whatever conspiracy theories they may have about surveillance at this point. So not going to try to address that. But it is a shame that this is something we have to give a shit about in the first place. The concept in itself seems pretty interesting and yet woul...
[07:32:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:11] <exec> 08└─I'm trying to figure out how this will be used. The summary didn't help me very much which called for extraordinary efforts, so I read the fine article. And I'm still confused. Can one of our resident experts provide a car analogy?
[07:32:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:13] <exec> 08└─Instead of one big autobahn where everyone queues up and then drives very fast in the same direction, you pave the entire area and everyone drives directly from one point to another. Individual trips are slower because you have to stop at yield and stops signs to avoid collisions, but overall everyo...
[07:32:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:16] <exec> 08└─What happened to publicly funded work being public IP? :) (I know, I know, that has never REALLY been true, but for paradigm shifting publically-funded technology, it really should be!)
[07:32:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:18] <exec> 08└─The idea of a bunch of new backdoors
[07:32:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:20] <exec> 08└─Anyone know how this stacks up against the already well-known "Harvard" architecture, where code and data are in completely separate memory?
[07:32:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:22] <exec> 08└─Kinda like unregulated airspace?
[07:32:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:24] <exec> 08└─Ummm... I believe that is exactly what this is.... a "line item" crafted to justify a transfer of public funds to private entities.... in a manner so that the public funds it, but the results are private.
[07:32:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdccdevel [1329] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:26] <exec> 08└─It sounds like they're talking about a more powerful general purpose version of GPGPU shaders (With their own cache and bunch of scratch-pad RAM) that operate on a new kind of main memory highly optimized for random access. Given how fast GPGPUs are at solving some problems, and how well shaders sca...
[07:32:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06American Military Backs an Entirely New Kind of Processor - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:29] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't be surprised to find the AI people really, really interested in this processor for neural networks and computer vision
[07:32:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:37] <exec> 08└─Burnout sounds like a great game I missed. I loved Carmageddon, keep hoping for a new update to it. Or figure out how to play a 20 year old game on a modern system. / yeah, Steam. // tried to set it up a year or two ago, failed /// wasn't motivated enough to try again (I'm on a laptop nowdays, most...
[07:32:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1072 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:39] <exec> 08└─Playing the original Burnout games was a lot of fun, not sure how well they stand up today. Carmageddon and Twisted Metal were some of my favorite games of that era... I think best left to the memories. You could perhaps look into the FlatOut series for that type of thing. In my opinion, the racing/...
[07:32:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:41] <exec> 08└─For a long time, it was absolutely taboo for ads to show the car destroyed, because the viewer has to dream of the pretty shapes, not rationalize the much-touted safety features and resultant mess. I remember hearing when they had one of the first ever human-driven crashes in an ad (note that many s...
[07:32:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:44] <exec> 08└─Trackmania series, for the arcade feel. Dirt (4, rallye) for more realism. Not interested in the list by realistic track racing games, so I can't help you there.
[07:32:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 1395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:46] <exec> 08└─Both should be cheap used, and it doesn't require online activation. I personally preferred The Pre-Undercover NFS games (Shift games were alright with a steering wheel, but I was tired of DRM by the time they came out, so I didn't end up buying them. Everybody I know who tried to play them with a c...
[07:32:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:48] <exec> 08└─There was a PS3 racing game, Grid 3 or something. I did everything needed at the first level but didn't have the points to get to the second level. Did everything I could to gain points, could not get enough for level 2. Sold the game, then got it at the library for a week for $0. Same result, can't...
[07:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:50] <exec> 08└─There's a new Gran Turismo for PS4 coming out in December.
[07:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:52] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't buy this game simply because it uses them. It's not that hard to just fictionalize the cars and tell the brands to pound sand, lots of other games do that. When you start playing product placement games you lose me from your audience.
[07:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:55] <exec> 08└─So is this about computer-game-physics-crash-porn or product placement? I can't really tell. Personally I still remember Outrun as the Arcade game when you got to sit in the Red (plastic) Ferrari, that was nice. The crash physics sucked tho if you compare it to today but it was still fun.
[07:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03citizenr [2737] (Score: 2) 02 - 06'Need for Speed: Payback' and the Business of Car Crashes - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:57] <exec> 08└─"Car manufacturers can impose strict rules" is actually not true. Its a courtesy.
[07:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:05] <exec> 08└─Looks more like some kind of DIY Pachinko construction-kit.
[07:33:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:07] <exec> 08└─this is a great idea. CS10 at Caltech was a wonderful class, and one of the few whose lessons have stuck with me since graduating. Carver Meade, the instructor, started by explaining how charge carriers move around in doped silicon crystals. Then he explained transistors, then logic gates and so on....
[07:33:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:10] <exec> 08└─This game actually looks pretty fun. There is a similar-looking (but much larger) contraption in the lobby of the the Stata center at MIT, which can perform various arithmetic calculations using balls and whatnot. So this is like the DIY home version of that with puzzles. But, no way this guy is goi...
[07:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 2484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:12] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I can see how at an abstract level it's Turing-complete, but I don't think that will be readily apparent to the novice. However, I can say from personal experience from my ultimately vain attempts to prove that I'm not a misogynerd by mentoring cisfemales in programming concepts that a literal...
[07:33:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:14] <exec> 08└─Yeah especially since they're like 460% funded now, and need to deliver a lot more units than they planned on. They were apparently worried they wouldn't make $48k in the beginning. I got one, but I'm not super concerned how long it takes to arrive, because it's not like I *need* it.
[07:33:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:16] <exec> 08└─Well, on the other hand, " I have three young kids and I've tried all sorts of games to build their interest in coding. The problem is that they all treat computers like abstract, black boxes. They overlook the fundamental, most amazing concept: how simple switches, connected together in clever ways...
[07:33:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:19] <exec> 08└─even the easy MIPS stuff
[07:33:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Turing Tumble Achieves Funding Goal - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:21] <exec> 08└─I will never again take the risk of mentoring... I'm done with it... it's fruitless... a vain attempt to disprove an insubstantial accusation motivated purely by sexism and transphobia.
[07:33:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:30] <exec> 08└─Let them Suffocate.
[07:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:32] <exec> 08└─I mean, if they can't make systems work properly for $100 million per unit, you know these things are lemons.
[07:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:35] <exec> 08└─turning the air off and on again?
[07:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:37] <exec> 08└─We are taking the necessary steps to find the root cause of these incidents.
[07:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:39] <exec> 08└─Have you tried not flying it? Some pilots refuse to fly F-22 Raptor amid jet's oxygen problems [latimes.com] F-22 Raptor stealth jets to get automatic backup oxygen systems to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [theaviationist.com] Navy Instructor Pilots Refusing to Fly (T-45) Over Safety Concerns [m...
[07:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:41] <exec> 08└─That is what they are trying right now. They might want to try a pilot support system that doesn't systematically create hypoxic pilots during flight operations.
[07:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03its_gonna_be_yuge! [6454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:43] <exec> 08└─I think we're waiting to jump in once revision "F" hits the skies
[07:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:46] <exec> 08└─Cost is also a strategic flaw of the F-35. It's so costly to operate that pilots will necessarily receive less in-air training hours than other aircraft, and other country's pilots. They'll be less experienced, and less competitive. And simulator time is not a substitute for the real thing. We proba...
[07:33:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:48] <exec> 08└─but it ended up sucking all the air out of the room.
[07:33:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:50] <exec> 08└─No air? The procedure recommends opening the window. Big red handle in the middle of the seat.
[07:33:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:52] <exec> 08└─One of the arguments about why the '35 is so tricky is because in theory the Air Force has to gamble a bit to stay ahead of the competition (enemies). If you use "safe" choices, you won't be ahead of the competition. New fighter planes have often had kinks that took time to iron out. Too little gamb...
[07:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:55] <exec> 08└─> So I wonder which it could be, there seems to be so many issues or possibilities to pick from most probable: the aircraft is secretly built in china to cheat the taxpayer out of some millions, but the chinese figured out there was no hollywood movie about some funny transformer aircraft and shippe...
[07:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:57] <exec> 08└─from the website: [f35.com] "The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability with enhanced lethality..." they warned you...
[07:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:59] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but on the upside, the ridiculous cost ensures that the US government will continue to transfer ungodly sums of money from the public treasury to Lockheed Martin and its subsidiaries. And that was the whole point of the exercise.
[07:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:01] <exec> 08└─They seem to have O2 problems in multiple planes. Is O2 in a fighter a hard problem, or has the pentagon just lost the recipe?
[07:34:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:03] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars). Of course, the up-front cost is higher, but maintenance costs and downtime are big...
[07:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:06] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets
[07:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:08] <exec> 08└─A couple of problems here: 1) The F-35 is cheaper per flight-hour than the V-22 (according to your link), as well as the B-2, so it's not only cheap compared to the F-22. Of course, it really isn't meant for the same kinds of missions as those. 2) This article doesn't show the flight-hour costs of t...
[07:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:10] <exec> 08└─Here's another article [time.com] from 2013 showing the flight-hour costs of many more AF planes. Looks like the F-35 is cheaper than the F-15, but not the F-16. The F-18 isn't listed here (it's not Air Force) but a google search comes up with around $25k.
[07:34:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:12] <exec> 08└─Okay ... Oh oh, where's the UNDO button!
[07:34:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:14] <exec> 08└─All those numbers do is support my premise that, by flying the A10 instead of the F35 for missions where the A10 is suitable, more A35 can eventually be fielded should the time come that we need to field F35s. I also think that you have to take the F35 numbers with a very large pinch of salt. I susp...
[07:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:17] <exec> 08└─Well, it was a joke, but that's kinda how pressure-swing adsorption works, the "on-off" being the pressure swings within the chambers to get them to do what they do. They make a "puffing and chugging" sound like a miniature steam-engine. I've worked on this technology before (though not the kind for...
[07:34:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:19] <exec> 08└─Ultimate DLC: it's a $150,000,000 to respawn.
[07:34:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:21] <exec> 08└─That's weird; one of the big arguments I've seen when people defend the F-35 is that the maintenance costs are a fraction of those for older jets (just like modern cars need a fraction of the maintenance of 70s cars).
[07:34:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:23] <exec> 08└─You have entirely missed what the metaphor is saying. (Where I'm from, we say "with a grain of salt", which makes the point more clearly.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[07:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:25] <exec> 08└─From 3-4 years ago? Pilots passing out due to lack of O2 is the first F35 failure I remember reading about. I understand it's new, and new things take a while to debug. But Jeebus Christo, if you can't feed oxygen to the pilot you've failed Building Fighter Jets 101. / oh, you can't shoot the gun? s...
[07:34:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:28] <exec> 08└─...and we've been here before with the F-22. to prevent new hypoxia-like symptoms [...] the U.S. Air Force has decided to equip its F-22s with a backup oxygen system [theaviationist.com] Being automatic, the new system does not require pilot intervention; a big improvement from the previous one that...
[07:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:30] <exec> 08└─You can make it a hard problem by cutting weight, volume, and power until it stops working. Also to be honest a lot of 70s crashes semi-CFIT they just blamed the hell out of the pilot for being a dumbass. Now a days a dude augers in and cheap cameras everywhere means they play back the video where t...
[07:34:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:32] <exec> 08└─100 $100M planes or 1000 $10M planes the profits the same but pilot survival is higher in the latter.
[07:34:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:34] <exec> 08└─That was F22, and it ground the whole fleet of them.
[07:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:36] <exec> 08└─I googled up some relevant articles https://www.flightglobal.com [flightglobal.com] http://www.airforce-technology.com [airforce-technology.com] https://www.usnews.com
[07:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:39] <exec> 08└─Yeah right [youtube.com]....
[07:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:41] <exec> 08└─Turn 'em into UAVs. Then they'll get their money's worth. Why are we still sending pilots up anyway?
[07:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:43] <exec> 08└─Your math is a little bit to simple. You have to factor in *WHO* gets the money, and how much they get. The F35 has it's very own system of graft and corruption, and going back to the older, more proven aircraft would have cut some important people out of the loop. It's easy to hide a lot of money l...
[07:34:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:45] <exec> 08└─I'm not so sure about all those claims for cost per hour. Let's consider automobiles for a minute. A new car generally runs pretty cheaply, because it needs little to no maintenance. Assuming you pay cash, you have a big payment upfront, then you drive for two to four years, quite cheaply. When you...
[07:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:47] <exec> 08└─That's a good question, but aircraft, even brand-new ones, require a significant amount of maintenance, and aren't really engineered like cars are to be mostly maintenance-free. After all, when an aircraft has a mechanical failure, that frequently means a crash. So they have to get various things do...
[07:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:50] <exec> 08└─Yep, and that's why all military procurement is done in two phases, "it's too early to tell" and "it's too late to stop".
[07:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Air Force Grounds F-35A Operations at Training Base after Pilots Suffered Hypoxia - 706 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:52] <exec> 08└─Nobody seems willing to approve full-AI killers, but that is what you need when the radio links are all destroyed by the enemy. In a serious war, the satellites are even gone. There is no GPS. Many prior generations have made peace after a huge war and thought to themselves that THAT was the final w...
[07:35:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:01] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses..." Can anyone give me an example of why I'd want to run a shell script on a mouse hover? This sounds like a terrible idea. Office seems to have become another great example of the in...
[07:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:03] <exec> 08└─When a person hovers over an icon, it expands to reveal the latest data pulled straight from the company server. I DON'T KNOW, FUCK YOU AND FUCK COMPUTING.
[07:35:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:06] <exec> 08└─Dynamically generated rollover popup content?
[07:35:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:08] <exec> 08└─Outlook has also started obfuscating all links in email by redirecting through some microsoft site. This has made it impossible to safely click any link in an email.
[07:35:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:10] <exec> 08└─It's been successful in that lots of businesses are locked into it at this point, but I imagine many of them are wishing they weren't. Well if they get infected or ransomwared or whatever and it puts them out of business, they got what they deserved. They should have made better choices.
[07:35:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:12] <exec> 08└─Fuck PHBs. Fuck anybody who wants to do anything with a computer that doesn't involve crunching numbers or retrieving information. I want the information to be presented in plaintext UTF-8, or perhaps we need a new standard now that Unicode has an ungodly among of wingdings (now called emojis for re...
[07:35:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:14] <exec> 08└─And it's not possible to get the real link without a network connection? Ie like this: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com] Instead of: https://www.microshaft.com [microshaft.com]
[07:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:17] <exec> 08└─I know right? They should use Linux and TuxWriter.
[07:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:19] <exec> 08└─In about 1981 someone explained to me what it meant that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Background: a manager working on a project, buys IBM, and project fails. What management says: I bought IBM, the best there is, so it shouldn't have failed. I guess this is just not possible to do. (in a...
[07:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:21] <exec> 08└─MS-DOS and Edlin you suggester of non-Microsoft anointed technologies.
[07:35:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:23] <exec> 08└─Dear PHBs. Please hold out for UTF-64. It will have Klingon, Narn, and all those other languages. And it will be out any day now. Most of the new codespace that 64 bits will give us will be occupied by new emojis. Then there will be new software that allows drawing any possible photo quality image b...
[07:35:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:25] <exec> 08└─PHBs are hired by the people with the gold (money) to outsource the control of their workers (slaves). The catch is their thinking is short sighted inside their box. Plaintext, that must be ASCII 8-bit. And it UTF is to be used. Then it might be an idea to standardize [wikipedia.org] on some version...
[07:35:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:28] <exec> 08└─UTF-64: One Emoji Per Human
[07:35:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:30] <exec> 08└─"nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" + manages and executive style people, is deep at the root as to why we have these bullshit problems. And then it went on to Microsoft because evil free OS and programs don't have a official support line or will bend to every detrimental need of every customer t...
[07:35:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:32] <exec> 08└─People infected by spam to buy Microsoft. Computer is infected with Microsoft. Microsoft is infected by viruses. Solution: Remove people that can be infected with spam :p
[07:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:34] <exec> 08└─They chose the first way.
[07:35:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:36] <exec> 08└─"While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate uses, this technique is potent in the wrong hands," More accurate version: "While features like macros, [object linking and embedding], and mouse hovers do have their good and legitimate u...
[07:35:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:39] <exec> 08└─Personally, I think the codepoints currently assigned to emojis would be better assigned to fictional writing systems of note such as Klingon, Quenya, Narn, etc. I don't know how we'd determine noteworthiness (though perhaps this would be an exercise to occupy Wikipedia's deletionists), but Klingon...
[07:35:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:41] <exec> 08└─This is a good example of why MS should never be responsible for antivirus.
[07:35:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:43] <exec> 08└─Where's the "off my lawn" mod?
[07:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:45] <exec> 08└─Any OS LibreOffice would be a better choice than PowerPoint, but some use the latter only because it was indoctrinated by their schools.
[07:35:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:47] <exec> 08└─Or just use Office 2003 on airgapped PCs. Good usability, total safety. What? There's a virus on Jim's PC? Sorry Jim, you're the only one with the key to your PC's cabinet, and we talked about sanitizing all USB drives in the training...
[07:35:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:50] <exec> 08└─It's hard to imagine the point of an office suite if you can't share the documents. I mean I guess all sharing could be done by printing, but that sucks for any kind of joint editing.
[07:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:52] <exec> 08└─And "wingdings" are a problem because...? I might sympatize with an idea than combining characters wasn't as good of an idea as some thought it would be, but this? If you don't need those you just don't use them.
[07:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:54] <exec> 08└─I once looked forward to UTF with longing. It would be so great to be able to use "æ" instead of having to cludge "ae" for example. But it's become so overrun with nonsense it almost seems like a bad idea in retrospect. ASCII wasn't perfect but at least we were spared all these wingnuts.
[07:35:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:56] <exec> 08└─Yeah here's the problem - you can't keep other people from using them. And it opens all kinds of problems. For one big field of examples consider the implications of using these things in filenames. No, a text encoding system needs to encode text. It needs to encode the regular symbols used in writi...
[07:35:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Banking Trojan Executes when Targets Hover Over Link in PowerPoint Doc - 1450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:58] <exec> 08└─From what I have observed of the "business executive mentality", PowerPoint is Business-Grade software. People like us have no business using it. Business-Grade software is for people who can delegate all the shit so someone else. People like us are the ones who actually personally experience the ra...
[07:36:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:07] <exec> 08└─Uber hasn't publicized today's meeting and didn't respond to requests for comment. I'm not really poking at our editor - I just thought it funny that sentence had to be repeated. I kinda assume that's how the article was written . . . Well, if Ars Technica made the mistake, it's been corrected on th...
[07:36:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:09] <exec> 08└─But disbanding the company completely would be a better approach, given how it's based on flouting laws and screwing people in the name of "disruption", hoping to cash in before the courts catch up. Making an example would be good.
[07:36:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:11] <exec> 08└─Us tech nerds. We're now all shitty wall-street journal types with laxer dress codes, and video games chat instead of sports at the water cooler. I think we probably deserve to be wiped out.
[07:36:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:13] <exec> 08└─But somebody made a mistake right? Looks more the submitter than editor needs not calling out. Then again, a pat on the back for not simply cut and paste a single story. Not that i even checked the unquoted source. Journalist breaking the news, clearly wants to lock in the week's work plan, plus spe...
[07:36:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:16] <exec> 08└─This isn't a regulatory action, or an enforcement action, or even a civil case. This is a review by the board of a company of recommendations recommended to them by an external consultant they commissioned. They're under no obligation to do anything with the result of the Holder investigation. I'm n...
[07:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03jshmlr [6606] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:18] <exec> 08└─Or just reminded that not everyone working in tech is interested in being The Richest Man Alive.
[07:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:20] <exec> 08└─But that doesn't involve killing people who modestly annoy me, thus is obviously the inferior solution.
[07:36:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:22] <exec> 08└─Money ruins everything. With a little universal basic income we could all be open source coders. You might get your wish. [siliconangle.com]
[07:36:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:24] <exec> 08└─The moral duty of the board is to keep the company and its executives from breaking the law or hurting the workers and customers. When it's rotten to the core, the proper ethical and humane thing to do it to put it down gently, salvage what you can, and get a healthy one. Of course, the human thing...
[07:36:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Uber's Board is Meeting to Discuss CEO Kalanick Temporarily Stepping Down - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:27] <exec> 08└─A nomination for the most lame camera operator for something worth watching https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[07:36:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:35] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[07:36:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:38] <exec> 08└─Does Stephen Hawking have an opinion? Before he lost the use of his limbs, I understand that he participated in rowing club at Oxford [wikipedia.org].
[07:36:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:40] <exec> 08└─row...row,row...row...row...row,row,row...row.. ...your boat.
[07:36:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:42] <exec> 08└─If this experiment is correct, than it's also good for the cox (coxswain) who calls out the stroke for the 8 on the oars. Otherwise, the cox would have to also signal or somehow "conduct" the phasing, and screwing up would mean the oars could get tangled.
[07:36:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:44] <exec> 08└─Gently down the drain. M...
[07:36:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:46] <exec> 08└─An old adage humorously suggested that "Scientists frequently find that a week in the library can save an hour in the lab."
[07:36:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:49] <exec> 08└─I believe all of the above can be true.
[07:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:51] <exec> 08└─That's proof that rowing causes lateral sclerosis! (At least proof enough for today's quality of "news".)
[07:36:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:53] <exec> 08└─I remember reading about an experiment to do exactly that, maybe 30 years ago. The coxswain counted 1 to 8 over and over, each oar was assigned a number, and they began their stroke when they heard their number. That experiment didn't work out well either, as I remember.
[07:36:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:55] <exec> 08└─I always wondered why someone does not redesign the oar locks to allow alternate strokes. say 6 men in a boat. 1, 3 and 5 are in the water pulling while 2,4, and 6 are in the air recovering the stroke. This would make them go faster than the other 6 man crew operating on half the strokes.
[07:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 5, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:57] <exec> 08└─An American engineering firm and a Japanese engineering firm decide to have a rowing race. The Japanese firm enters a team with 4 rowers and a navigator. The American firm enters a team with 3 rowers, a head navigator, and a middle navigator to take some of the burden off the head navigator, who obv...
[07:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:00] <exec> 08└─As stated here, not all that humorous :) Ain't that the other way around? A week in the lab can save an hour in the library. Or, as I've heard it, "a couple of months in the laboratory can save a couple of hours in the library."
[07:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:02] <exec> 08└─Tommy, do you like to watch gladiator movies?
[07:37:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:04] <exec> 08└─"If the horse isn't fast enough, it needs more jockeys."
[07:37:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:06] <exec> 08└─Are the results still the same for different speeds and scales? e.g. larger boats and faster speeds?
[07:37:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:08] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't there need to be an even number of rowers on each side rowing at the same time to keep going straight? If you only have 3 rows in the water it's going to turn one way or the other.
[07:37:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 2516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:11] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the story of seven dwarfs I've once read on the net. From what I remember, it went about like this: Once upon a time, seven dwarfs were working in the ore mines, and they were happy, their work gave them enough income and everything was good. One day, they noticed that they didn't...
[07:37:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:13] <exec> 08└─anywhere from 0 to 45° out of phase. Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother.
[07:37:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:15] <exec> 08└─In the configuration discussed, one rower has a pair of sculls (oars), not paddles.
[07:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:17] <exec> 08└─I might have missed something, but isn't this exactly what they were testing for, then found out that it does not make them go faster?
[07:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:20] <exec> 08└─The decrease in overall velocity when using out of phase rowing is probably due to oars being less effective at higher velocities. When rowing in-phase, the initial pull is at lower than average velocity. The article speculates that the improved speed for in-phase rowing has to do with the impulse p...
[07:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:22] <exec> 08└─In EE we use a term Effective Application of Power seeking the most results for applied power. In the video you will note that the crew in the boat with the "phased" oar load has only 1/3 of it's oars pulling at any time. So even though the driving force is constant, it is but a fraction of the forc...
[07:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tfried [5534] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:24] <exec> 08└─Initial results showed that out-of-phase rowing was smoother. Yay! But the boat was slower! Why?
[07:37:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:26] <exec> 08└─The boat had 8 rowers, so at 45 degrees the phase of each rower is perfectly distributed (45*8=360) and there'd always be a rower in mid-stroke.
[07:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:29] <exec> 08└─My uninformed pseudo-scientific guess is as follows: Replace water with concrete and paddles with super-grip. If synchronized, all 8 pull their weight plus 1/8th of the boat for the duration of the stroke, which is the fixed length based on the total angle of the stroke and length of the oar. If not...
[07:37:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:31] <exec> 08└─This seems wrong, since each rower still makes a return when rowing out of phase, but it may be that the impulse from the returning rowers is more effective at higher velocity.
[07:37:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:33] <exec> 08└─Look at the robotic boats. They take very short strokes. In real crew boats, your stroke is almost your whole body length. You push with your legs then pull with your arms and back muscles. You go from the oar handle being in front of your feet to you stretched out leaning back with the handle at yo...
[07:37:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:35] <exec> 08└─I mostly agree, but just to clarify, the rowers, facing backwards, pull themselves, on their sliding seats, toward the stern as they move the oars forward to prepare for another stroke, so the impulse of the rowers returning up their slides does move the boat forward. The weight of the rower is much...
[07:37:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:37] <exec> 08└─> Google indicates human powered hydrofoil is a thing and 21 MPH is achievable. Yep, I was part of the group that ran the human powered watercraft speed prizes. We had DuPont as a sponsor and eventually gave away $35K over 4 years, c.1990. I also got to pedal a couple of the different hydrofoils and...
[07:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Slow and Steady ... Does [not] Win the Race? - 1096 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:40] <exec> 08└─There is a vortex in the water near the tip of each oar. Vortexes have already been determined to matter for aircraft (thus wingtip devices) and for fast-moving fish. Vortexes surely matter for rowing. After an oar is lifted, a vortex remains in the water. It moves backwards (toward stern) and inwar...
[07:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:48] <exec> 08└─The real name of the box is "Bait One X". Anything you buy will be non-working once Microsoft change their mind in regards to support. Not that the competitors are a gigantic improvement but they seem better nonetheless. Unlike good consoles where you bought it and it worked as long as there is elec...
[07:37:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:51] <exec> 08└─... as long as you don't mind running some black-box binary blob from a shady hacker "community" website in order to exploit a security flaw that gives you (or someone else?) access to low-level aspects of the boot process. Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible,...
[07:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:53] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure if I'm "down" quite yet, but I watched the entire Microsoft E3 briefing yesterday and I liked what I saw. Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO. For better or for worse (and mostly worse), the days of just popping in...
[07:37:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:55] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox. They ran pretty powerful stuff after doing whatever they do to bypass the read only mode. Could even bootstrap you into a linux distro. Given what a BIOS can potentially be doing if you get a crap one I'm surprised I never gave it much more tho...
[07:37:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:57] <exec> 08└─Is there any good reason to assume you won't be able to use the Xbox One (X) purely offline, ten years from now? Also, if anything, Sony have a worse reputation here than MS: they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature. Microsoft did release a patch for the 360 which broke third-party memory-cards,...
[07:37:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:00] <exec> 08└─I installed one of those modchips on the original xbox.
[07:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Interesting) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:02] <exec> 08└─you may as well just buy the game digitally anyway.
[07:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03fyngyrz [6567] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:04] <exec> 08└─The only bait I will respond to is "it runs Mechassault." I spent a lot more on games than I ever did on a console. Buying a console that won't run those games? No. Not happening. Either they embrace a means of 100% compatibility, or they don't get my money. I'll give it to EBayers reselling older c...
[07:38:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:06] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately there are still some games that I have that are on Windows only, or are just noticeably better on Windows than on console. Personally I want to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible. More and more games are coming out for Linux, and any console exclusives that I want are on Plays...
[07:38:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:09] <exec> 08└─It can't run Dwarf Fortress so why bother?
[07:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:11] <exec> 08└─"Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and the original Xbox One is a killer feature IMO." Backwards compatibility with the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 would have been important back when the original Xbox One came out - whenever a completely new console comes out there is a l...
[07:38:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:13] <exec> 08└─The Wii? If it's anything like those Gameboy Color screws that must have been fun. I ran that cromwell stuff for a while until I figured out how to make zdoom and zsnes to run. Also knew a guy that did pretty much what you did - except sold them to people in stocks of like 10 at a time. People made...
[07:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:15] <exec> 08└─Nintendo - every name is different! Nintendo Entertainment SystemSuper Nintendo Entertainment SystemNintendo 64GameCubeWiiWii UNintendo Switch
[07:38:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:17] <exec> 08└─they remotely sabotaged the OtherOS feature.
[07:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:20] <exec> 08└─Xbox One X is indeed a terrible name. However, terrible console names is not limited to Microsoft. Exhibit A would be the Wii U. The name confused so many people that most non-hardcore gamers thought that it was an accessory to the Wii. Exhibit B would be the PlayStation 4 Pro.
[07:38:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1044 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:22] <exec> 08└─I only passively agree on the Wii U's terrible name - the media helped confuse the public on that one as far as I could tell. After that marketing didn't help, and stores added the confusion by mixing Wii and Wii U games together in the shelves all the time. I'm not entirely sure where the confusion...
[07:38:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:24] <exec> 08└─You forgot one, the Xbox One S. It's in the AnandTech article. Basically a 16nm version of the original Xbox One hardware, "S" for slimmer or smaller, with a much smaller internal power supply and support for UHD Blu-ray discs (which are not supported by any version of PlayStation 4 to date despite...
[07:38:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:26] <exec> 08└─Ah, so we can get S and X mixed up phonetically, too! :)
[07:38:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:29] <exec> 08└─Got an oscilloscope and soldering skills? If so, then anything is possible, amirite?
[07:38:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:31] <exec> 08└─Another issue is that currently a lot of chips have internal crypto engines to make sure that even if you can fiddle with all I/O in any way you like. You won't have the keys to make use of it..
[07:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:33] <exec> 08└─Once the Xbox One was announced back in May 2013, it was all ogre for Microsoft's naming sense.
[07:38:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 1631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:35] <exec> 08└─are getting like DNF or some other vaporware game. The past 3-4 releases have been taking more than a year to come out, get some token fixes without resolving all the old issues, then disappear for n+ before the next release happens. I have been following DF on and off since like 2004 and it hasn't...
[07:38:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:37] <exec> 08└─I think the game is to be unfinished, in the same way one can play but cannot win... one can only lose in so many ways, some better than others.
[07:38:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03corey [2202] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:40] <exec> 08└─...too many reasons why..
[07:38:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Xbox One X, Formerly Project Scorpio, to be Released November 7th for $499 - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:42] <exec> 08└─Your demo fails when you add the PS2 slim and the PS4 pro. The point of the weird monikers is that all XBox "One" should be compatible games-wise. But my mom would get lost and wait for the boys to write down the exact thing needed. Exhibit B: Ask a Spanish speaker (so few of them in the US, right?)...
[07:38:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:52] <exec> 08└─then you better hope the network works out of the box so you can apt-get. Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[07:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:54] <exec> 08└─Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting. I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
[07:38:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:57] <exec> 08└─Being able to run an OS without installing anything is very cool. You can use that to fix problems. You can use that on someone else's box without touching his hard drive. ...and you can demo Linux for someone, again, without installing anything. A gutted live-media distro doesn't make as good a dem...
[07:38:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:59] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is, because I personally h...
[07:39:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:01] <exec> 08└─Just as an added note, I had to look this up. The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[07:39:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 2034 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:03] <exec> 08└─That tools are missing could be because space constraints, configuration conflicts, inability to have foresight or just plain cooperating with the three letter powers. And retrieving and installing packages (apt-get etc) may fail miserably because disc media (CD) are usually read only or writable on...
[07:39:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:06] <exec> 08└─The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
[07:39:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:08] <exec> 08└─In the case of UFW, it isn't functionality that is missing, it is a utility to help with configuration. Problem is, there are multiple utilities to help with this. You might like UFW but I like a different ones, so why is it wrong for the distro to let us decide? If you need the OS to do everything...
[07:39:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:10] <exec> 08└─Not having a ifconfig command however it's done is going to funnel a great deal of shitstorm towards whoever got that idea when the system installer/fixer finds this out at 03:00 in a server room somewhere without knowledgeable people around. It's usually "make the d-mn thing work now", oh it's miss...
[07:39:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:12] <exec> 08└─The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is
[07:39:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:14] <exec> 08└─Whatever the distro chooses, add a README.TXT so people with a plain text console can get something rudimentary up quickly even if they haven't used the specific linux flavor of the month.
[07:39:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:17] <exec> 08└─Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go: Lubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link: https://fedoraproject.org [fedoraproject.org]
[07:39:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:19] <exec> 08└─The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.
[07:39:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:21] <exec> 08└─This is not the droid^W page you're looking for. -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[07:39:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03cockroach [2266] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:23] <exec> 08└─That would probably be iproute2 [wikipedia.org] with the ip command. I agree that removing tools like ifconfig is a rather unfortunate move but maybe an Ubuntu Desktop Live CD isn't what people should be using for system maintenance, there are better tools [system-rescue-cd.org] for that. Also, comp...
[07:39:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:26] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[07:39:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:28] <exec> 08└─That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.) http://xmodulo.com [xmodulo.com]
[07:39:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:30] <exec> 08└─What someone needs to do is write an ifconfig that uses the newer kernel interface, then we can avoid riots and online shouting matches.
[07:39:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:32] <exec> 08└─Noted. But, if I boot up to a LiveCD, and the network isn't working as expected, I'm going to type "ifconfig" to find my own IP address to start with. Like yourself, I've just used it since about forever. And, if ifconfig can't even tell my my own IP address, much less anything else, I'm going to gr...
[07:39:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:34] <exec> 08└─...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
[07:39:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:37] <exec> 08└─Any LiveCD that can stand on it's own Any LiveCD that [can't] stand on [its] own -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[07:39:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:39] <exec> 08└─Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?
[07:39:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03nobu_the_bard [6373] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:41] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't it be better then, to do this: - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.
[07:39:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:43] <exec> 08└─LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
[07:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03ArcticScavenger [5890] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:45] <exec> 08└─The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install network-manager On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.
[07:39:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:48] <exec> 08└─I liked debian live, especially the web image builder. But, after switching to systemd-less antix and systemd-limited mxlinux I found myself at ease with their live iso and frugal install scripts. Give them a try. They are deb based. For a pretty complete systemd less live cd, there is knoppix. I am...
[07:39:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:50] <exec> 08└─I assume one or the other is included. Now maybe BB is included with the network utils deleted, or not included at all. However many distros have gotten rid of net-tools altogether in favor of iputils (which I personally dislike since the commands tend to be much longer and more complicated in order...
[07:39:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:52] <exec> 08└─maybe ifconfig is absent but ip is present? Personally I hate the new syntax and device naming conventions, it reeks of "we want things to look professional so the new generation of certified sysadmins will look competent"
[07:39:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:54] <exec> 08└─Faulty link.
[07:39:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:56] <exec> 08└─Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.
[07:39:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:59] <exec> 08└─It's called Dead Rat strategy. Change everything with a new API and tools. Then offer certification courses to use it. Repeat. Hey wait! That sounds just like that evil ektoplasma infecting Seattle!
[07:40:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:01] <exec> 08└─So they made things more complicated for little gain. Guess that's a BSD right there.
[07:40:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:03] <exec> 08└─Devuan have a LiveCD yet?
[07:40:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:05] <exec> 08└─that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster. In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in...
[07:40:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:07] <exec> 08└─Don't forget USB. I've rescued systems using USB. Upgrade, network card firmware doesn't work anymore or doesn't exist anymore, no problem put the OLD .deb file that has working firmware on a USB stick, plug in, install, reboot, all is well. You can also do something similar with virtualization. mou...
[07:40:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:10] <exec> 08└─https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/ [devuan.org] Contains a file https://files.devuan.org [devuan.org] Contains a line net-tools 1.60-26+b1 so I believe this is your lucky day. I've never used the livecd for...
[07:40:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:12] <exec> 08└─It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.
[07:40:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:14] <exec> 08└─I haven't tried it, but it has a "minimal-live" image that will fit on a CD and a "desktop-live" one that will fit on a DVD. From the README.txt files: This image is a full-featured console-only live Devuan Jessie Stable system, with tons of command-line and curses utilities and a special focus on a...
[07:40:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03technoid_ [6593] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:16] <exec> 08└─Debian moved to systemd, so obviously there isn't any concern about adding complexity for no real gain.
[07:40:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:18] <exec> 08└─Gah.. I had USB on my mind when I started writing that post. Oh well ;) Well USB can provide CDrom, floppy, flash memory, network etc. So yeah it's a real option. The catch may be that support may not be there, BIOS don't want to boot it or that it's USB1 which means really slow. As for virtualizati...
[07:40:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:21] <exec> 08└─Btw, Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB and how you got around it? or not?
[07:40:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:23] <exec> 08└─Systemd related or not, the consistency of BSD looks better with every major distro release of Linux.
[07:40:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:25] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
[07:40:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:27] <exec> 08└─As for virtualization. Those systems pretty much rely on there being a system to start with? So that host OS should be able to serve whatever is needed to get the job done?
[07:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:29] <exec> 08└─Have you had any experience on (server) BIOS that didn't want to boot USB
[07:40:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:32] <exec> 08└─"ip" command from package iproute2 has replaced ifconfig and route ages ago. Just because your grandfather used it does not make it relevant, especially in a space-constrained situation like a livecd.
[07:40:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:34] <exec> 08└─It probably got replaced because ifconfig and co. were being phased out for a few years now. Arch people like myself got in a bit ahead of the curve so I've gotten rather used to the crazy looking BNF help syntax. Still has the subcommand design of git if it were written by the PowerShell guys thoug...
[07:40:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:36] <exec> 08└─heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
[07:40:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:38] <exec> 08└─I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided. However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to in...
[07:40:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:40] <exec> 08└─It probably hasn't happened because the new kernel API is about 2 orders of magnitude more complex than the old one and offers little visible benefit for the trouble.
[07:40:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:43] <exec> 08└─[Cue creaky old-timer voice...] "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!" [Cue even creakier old-timer...] "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered o...
[07:40:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:45] <exec> 08└─debian is at fault. when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there! how fucking stupid! its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
[07:40:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:47] <exec> 08└─I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
[07:40:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:49] <exec> 08└─[ Cue ghost of dead old timer] What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
[07:40:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 863 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:51] <exec> 08└─I have never heard of the "dead rat strategy". But either way, it makes sense in the commercial software world where selling "new" makes you money. Not in the open source world. This is a breakdown of how generations of software devs look at problems differently. The graybeards were happy and conten...
[07:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:54] <exec> 08└─Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either? I hate systemd as mu...
[07:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:56] <exec> 08└─Please, you gotta get a better name if you want mainstream penetration (no pun int.).
[07:40:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:58] <exec> 08└─I don't understand the point of phasing out ifconfig on linux, making it less compatible with other *nix distributions. It is not necessary to rename a command to enhance it. I have only briefly researched it, but all articles just seem to say (paraphrasing) 'nobody is happy about it but that's the...
[07:40:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:00] <exec> 08└─can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing?
[07:41:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:02] <exec> 08└─Except that the old API has been deprecated 15 years ago or so. And for a good reason -- it's not adequate for any but simplest tasks. At some moment you need to get rid of the cruft. Unlike systemd that breaks a good deal of functionality, iproute2 can do everything ifconfig could, the only thing t...
[07:41:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:05] <exec> 08└─Looks to me like this. Linux started out as a free alternative to the SCO-dified Unice$$ of yesteryear. It took off. It does 99% what "good ole Unix" did, and in many areas has improved. One quick example: 'cp' (copy) has a '-r' (recurse into folders) option - yay no more "find / blah-blah | cpio ma...
[07:41:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:07] <exec> 08└─I'll get that sometimes it's necessary to break the whole API to enable new needs. But that doesn't block them from providing scripts that lets people to get up and running quickly without having to fuss with things. And if the API is new to enable a whole new approach or framework. Then it's better...
[07:41:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:09] <exec> 08└─Ah, but you need to be at least an Innitiate, not a Novice, and be sworn into the secret "something" to append to "sudo apt install __" Good luck finding documentation. Online searches most often provide "help" that is a decade out of date.
[07:41:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:11] <exec> 08└─I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.
[07:41:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:13] <exec> 08└─Let new utilities have a "Checking for long greybear tools......[Not found, No computing for you!]" ;-) Anyway its mostly a problem with new people that are ignorant. And that can be exploited to bite them.
[07:41:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:16] <exec> 08└─Have you ever tried balancing those bastards? CDs just fall over when placed on edge, unless you are very, very good at this kind of thing.
[07:41:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03nethead [4970] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:18] <exec> 08└─I had a stack of servers with RAID 1 I needed to install BSD on. I got one setup just the way I wanted, pulled the second drive and put it in the next box as the main drive and let it mirror. Repeat and rinse. (and re-IP/name)
[07:41:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:20] <exec> 08└─I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
[07:41:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:22] <exec> 08└─recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to ru...
[07:41:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:25] <exec> 08└─Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.
[07:41:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:27] <exec> 08└─Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something. ...where'd I put muh teeth?
[07:41:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:29] <exec> 08└─Someone who is scared off by an interesting name is probably not the ideal user for Linux. Folks who think that Lubuntu is weird would also think that Ubuntu was weird. Some folks are curious enough to Google that. [google.com] Lubuntu could be thought of as "Light Ubuntu", suitable for older, less...
[07:41:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2, Troll) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:31] <exec> 08└─Not including ifconfig is a pretty brain dead move.
[07:41:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:34] <exec> 08└─Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
[07:41:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:36] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[07:41:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:38] <exec> 08└─The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
[07:41:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:40] <exec> 08└─You're not seeing good technical justifications because the justifications are shit and don't really go along with how unix commands should work. So it's a hard sell. Essentially: ifconfig didn't have feature X because it only cared about interfaces. ip has Y and Z because those have to do with the...
[07:41:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:43] <exec> 08└─It can't write documentation for shit, is one. Seriously, EBNF is for language spec and compiler design, not teaching. In the past five years I've found exactly zero useful tutorials on how to actually use the iproute packages. And no, one-off "this is how you use ip to do this rare ifconfig thing"...
[07:41:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Lubuntu 17.04 & Current Debian LiveCD's Missing Critical Utilities - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:45] <exec> 08└─The fact that their idea of "help" is BNF suggests that they're idiots, assholes, or both. Maybe there's a more charitable explanation, but it's clear that they're not interested in making it possible for people to begin using it before they're experts in using it. The various BSDs are looking bette...
[07:41:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:55] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology? Puerto Ricans are people and tech nerds are people too?
[07:41:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:57] <exec> 08└─Puerto Rico is likely to vote Democrat. Trump is not a democrat and will so likely block any annexing as that would skew election results. Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make lif...
[07:41:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:59] <exec> 08└─What in God's name does this have to do with technology?
[07:42:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:01] <exec> 08└─What in god's name does your post have to do with non sequiturs? It's like we're on the internets.
[07:42:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:03] <exec> 08└─$120B worth of additional debt onto the federal balance sheet would affect the tech sector and every other sector.
[07:42:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:06] <exec> 08└─Are you stupid?
[07:42:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:08] <exec> 08└─Interesting anyway how a small island with a great deal of autonomy manages to botch their own region such that they have to vote away their autonomy to make life workable.
[07:42:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:10] <exec> 08└─Sure. I like a good roasted coward.
[07:42:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:12] <exec> 08└─It was my pleasure.
[07:42:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:14] <exec> 08└─Eventually a democrat will return to power
[07:42:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:17] <exec> 08└─Want more tech articles? Then do your part, and send some in...
[07:42:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:19] <exec> 08└─It's at least in part a visual design/extensibility issue -- where are you gonna put the 51st star on the flag?
[07:42:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:21] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans shoot themselves in the foot with a high-tech machine gun attached to an orange drone artificially intelligent enough to twit (yes, that twat)
[07:42:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:23] <exec> 08└─I'm sure there are some bookies out there who would love to take your money.
[07:42:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:25] <exec> 08└─>nonbinding referendum D.C. has a better chance of getting statehood. Sometime around 2050.
[07:42:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:28] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else. Just please stop.
[07:42:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:30] <exec> 08└─You know what else effects the tech sector? Food. We all gotta eat.
[07:42:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:32] <exec> 08└─Or not so finally? This isn't the first time Puerto Rico's statehood has come up. It just never happens though. I think the problem is, the Ricans who really want to be American get tired of waiting, and move to the US. That leaves a lower percentage of American-minded Ricans behind, so the push nev...
[07:42:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:34] <exec> 08└─I tried but they're all still busy wiping the egg off their faces from last November.
[07:42:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:36] <exec> 08└─If that is the only problem or issue you could just change the pattern again. https://www.usflagstore.com [usflagstore.com]
[07:42:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:39] <exec> 08└─That was, um, that was a pretty weak comeback. I'm embarrassed for you actually.
[07:42:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:41] <exec> 08└─Whining isn't nerdish or technical or much of anything else.
[07:42:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:43] <exec> 08└─Some of that is minor case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in that you have to get past Congress first https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In the case of PR, given that it is PR, I could see the situation going to the Supreme Court regardless who's prez or who's runnin...
[07:42:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:45] <exec> 08└─They lack the culture of America, and should therefore be given independence as their own country.
[07:42:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:48] <exec> 08└─Why didn't they choose Canada? We'd love to finally have a province where it would be warm in the winter and still get our Timmie's fix! Is it because the moment we'd step onto the beach in our swim wear that we'd create a blinding light from the sun reflecting off our pasty white skin that would bu...
[07:42:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 843 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:50] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece on exactly what is wrong with the current handling of Puerto Rico, how they got into so much debt, and how one little change in some legislation back in the 60s or 70s helped bring the current crisis around. Put simply they accru...
[07:42:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:52] <exec> 08└─Most of the time it's just something that was already on Slashdot a day or two ago.
[07:42:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:54] <exec> 08└─John Oliver (Yeah Yeah, leftist whore and all.) did an excellent piece
[07:42:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:57] <exec> 08└─Yes they are the territorial equivalent of a college student. And as such are given credit where no one else would be able to: "You have no job, no work history, no employable skills but you want $120K? OK sign here!"
[07:42:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:59] <exec> 08└─Why not Canada?
[07:43:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:01] <exec> 08└─Maybe because they're already a US Territory?
[07:43:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:03] <exec> 08└─They will never choose this as it would mean financial collapse, as opposed to current form of financial slavery a la Greece.
[07:43:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:05] <exec> 08└─American culture? What exactly comprises 'American culture'? Guns, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, bullying and perpetual warmongering? In that case you're right, I guess. All PR has is the guns.
[07:43:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:08] <exec> 08└─You're not making any American feel bad.
[07:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:10] <exec> 08└─Oh come on, they even modeled they're flag after Captain America. How much more American can they get?
[07:43:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:12] <exec> 08└─The summary is misleading. Sure, only 23 percent of people voted, but how does that make it illegitimate? It's not great numbers, but it's enough to be statistically significant. You didn't vote? Fine, your vote won't count. Don't like it? Then you should have voted. Now lets look at the numbers of...
[07:43:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:14] <exec> 08└─Then begin to blame the US for all of their problems.
[07:43:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:16] <exec> 08└─What exactly comprises 'American culture'?
[07:43:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:19] <exec> 08└─Really? Changing the flag would be your reason for not letting them become a state? That's a pretty pathetic reason. It's not like we haven't changed the number of stars on the flag dozens of times already. We can do it again. Here are just a few suggestions for flags with >50 stars, and we can alwa...
[07:43:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:21] <exec> 08└─Do you have a good recipe? they always end up a bit chewy for me
[07:43:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:23] <exec> 08└─Yeah. In case you haven't noticed, we do that from time to time, though just in the comments. If there are any developments in the state of the art of the culinary sciences, I'll make sure to submit an article. Come to think of it, there's a new pepper that ought to be taking the world record (accor...
[07:43:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:25] <exec> 08└─Ah yes, vexillography, the grand art of flag design. SN's tribute to Sheldon Cooper's "Fun with Flags." There's no great technical conundrum posed by placing a 51st star. The current flag has 8 rows of stars, but we could just revert to a 6-row design (as the 48-star flag had). Alternating rows of 8...
[07:43:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:28] <exec> 08└─Ooh! I like the circular one. We haven't had a circular star arrangement since back in the day.
[07:43:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:30] <exec> 08└─Louisiana also lacked the culture of the United States. But, we bought it from France, broke it up, and admitted the segments into the union, one at a time. Today, the Louisiana purchase is as "American" as any other part of America. What do you even mean by "lacks the culture"? Is it because they a...
[07:43:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:32] <exec> 08└─Cook low and slow.
[07:43:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:34] <exec> 08└─Just for some perspective (I'm not arguing one way or another on how this vote should be read in PR): -- Brexit is occurring because 37.4% of voters were in favor of it. (71% turnout from electorate, 51.89% voting in favor) -- Donald Trump was elected as President with 27.7% of eligible US voters. (...
[07:43:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:37] <exec> 08└─Begin to blame !?!? The US is already the cause of their biggest problems.
[07:43:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:39] <exec> 08└─Puerto Ricans are the only Latino group over-represented in the military
[07:43:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:41] <exec> 08└─I probably shouldn't bother replying to such a post, but I think it's worth noting that the VAST majority of people are unwilling to sit down and watch or read a long news piece on a "boring" topic. Thus ALL "investigative reporting" shows or segments (from "60 minutes" and Frontline to TED talks) f...
[07:43:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03isj [5249] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:43] <exec> 08└─[John Oliver / Last Week Tonight on Puerto Rico] I am sure someone else can provide a link, Here: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] It is worth watching.
[07:43:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2046 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:45] <exec> 08└─Yes, the Puerto Rican debt debacle. Basically, for much of the late 20th century, Puerto Rico was inexplicably exempted from random U.S. tax laws, which both made it very lucrative to business there and strongly encouraged investors to buy into PR municipal bonds. Then, in 1984, for reasons unknown...
[07:43:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:48] <exec> 08└─And as a state they will also have to start paying federal personal income tax, which they currently do not have to pay as citizens of a US territory.
[07:43:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:50] <exec> 08└─Do the 50 states get to vote if we even want Puerto Rico? It sounds like all we get is another destitute welfare state.
[07:43:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:52] <exec> 08└─When a country is in this level of political decline, only its fools and jesters dare to tell the truth. I can tell you Oliver is a more reliable source of news than Fox.
[07:43:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:54] <exec> 08└─I think it's a perfectly valid reason. 51 is a terrible, odd number. We have too many states as it is. So I propose a solution: for any new states to be admitted, we have to either remove or combine existing states, so that we don't exceed 50. This development with PR could thus be a good excuse for...
[07:43:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:56] <exec> 08└─You had your chance to vote back in 1898 when Puerto Rico was annexed as a US Territory. Remember, "you break it, you bought it". Don't take on responsibilities you're not willing to follow through on.
[07:43:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:59] <exec> 08└─The climate is nice, though. Think of as the Hawaii of the east. I hope they do become a state, but I think it will take a some time.
[07:44:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 1084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:01] <exec> 08└─I suppose that we could dig into that, to first find out how accurate the Wiki's numbers are. Then, we could bounce around what all those numbers mean. Looking at the statista page, it appears that black WOMEN may be over represented. Black men, at 17%, are near the percentage of black men in the US...
[07:44:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:03] <exec> 08└─Yes, the states get to vote. All 50 US states are represented in the US Congress, and Congress decides whether or not to admit new states into the union.
[07:44:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:05] <exec> 08└─These folks act like using comedy to tell political truth is a new thing. In reality it dates back to the Romans, if not earlier. [wikipedia.org]
[07:44:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:08] <exec> 08└─In that case, I totally won't plug this movie [imdb.com] that I've been seeing a bunch of Youtube ads for, and actually have no idea how good it is/n't.
[07:44:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:10] <exec> 08└─I counter with Texas exercising it's still-valid right to break into 5 states. IANAHistorian, and joking of course. Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, so good luck. But if so lets combine the states that are split by cardinal directions like North and...
[07:44:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:12] <exec> 08└─I fail to see what that has to do with adding new states to the union.
[07:44:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:14] <exec> 08└─And 49 wasn't? So we annexed Hawaii just so we could have a nice, round, 50 and no other reason at all?
[07:44:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 2505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:17] <exec> 08└─Something like that has less of a chance of becoming law then PR becoming a state, Of course, but I still think it's a good idea. The current state borders make no sense and are merely accidents of history, and end up creating "schizophrenic" states with two very different populations at each others...
[07:44:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:19] <exec> 08└─With all the problems we see with gerrymandering I don't trust anyone to draw new state lines based on political reasons.
[07:44:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:21] <exec> 08└─I didn't mean to try to refute your point. I was simply pointing out that demographic groups being underrepresented in the military seems to be the norm. Specifying that Peurto Ricians are the only Latino group overrepresented needlessly limits their exceptional degree of service to their ethnic gro...
[07:44:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03realDonaldTrump [6614] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:23] <exec> 08└─I've been thinking a lot about my flag. Let me tell you, 51 stars is fine. It's great. Because 3 lines with 17 stars in each line comes to 51 stars. My branding experts tell me 17 + 17 + 17 comes to 51. We tried 39, but 51 is testing well. Very high ratings in the 18 to 49 demo. Which is a key demo,...
[07:44:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:26] <exec> 08└─Maybe lot of Puerto Ricans fall for the citizenship meme, because they don't realize they have de facto citizen rights? Who knows.
[07:44:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:28] <exec> 08└─Yet another scam perpetrated by an elected official. Of course it was done to Puerto Rico, they are the red headed step child of the US that no one pays attention to. If this was any other state you can bet a lot of things would be reversed or fixed. Yay wallstreet scamming the public! Capitalism wi...
[07:44:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:30] <exec> 08└─You're replying to a conservative near-bigot. I think we need to popularize some word for people who aren't quite racist, not quite bigoted, but have some stupid beliefs in their head about others likely stemming from close proximity to real bigots / racists.
[07:44:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:32] <exec> 08└─This is the other problem. The referendum is non-binding thus many will not take it seriously, leading to the poor turnout. IMHO, what should be done is that Congress should approve Puerto Rican statehood under the condition that another referendum passes. This referendum would be binding and irrevo...
[07:44:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:34] <exec> 08└─Boston's a city state, but not Chicago? There's an odd fantasy.
[07:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:37] <exec> 08└─A few months ago I posted my recipe for Cranberry mead here. I'm still waiting for the other half of the swap.
[07:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:39] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it's never the stupid fucking bankrupt loser's fault. MUST be rich old whitey to blame!! Only possible option! Throw out some vague hypothetical racism accusations out there to cover your tracks, then shut the browser window, secure in your own personal victory.
[07:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:41] <exec> 08└─You wrote all that shit just to prove the GP's point. *slow clap*
[07:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Puerto Ricans Back Becoming 51st State - 704 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:43] <exec> 08└─The most obvious problem is Spanish. We are already having a bit of a disaster; we shouldn't make it worse. A country has problems with unity if there is more than one language. The economy suffers too; you can never reach your full potential with all the overhead of translation and the friction in...
[07:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:51] <exec> 08└─So people should deny all data and spread around fake. In addition these database owners should be considered outlaws and treated accordingly. Parallel systems of trade etc could also be of interest that lack connection to these vacuum suckers. Efficient ideas on how to protect your data in the 21th...
[07:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:54] <exec> 08└─The good news is that, at least here in .be, people are increasingly less violent when you tell them not to put any stuff about yourself (photo's, dates, facts) on social media. It used to be that telling them not to do this was like as if you took their rights away. I guess that after a few years,...
[07:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:56] <exec> 08└─Almost every day a teen commits suicide thanks to social media extravagance of other people. That's bullshit. People have to toughen the fuck up. We don't want any censorship.
[07:44:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:58] <exec> 08└─Teens are vulnerable. They are obliged to everyday to physically show up in a space where physical harassment, verbal spit and general unfriendliness is accepted in practice as the order of the day. That means mass communicated slander can cause physical harm. So unless you relieve teens and younger...
[07:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:00] <exec> 08└─I would say, social media yes. Social media owned by big corp - never.
[07:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:03] <exec> 08└─You can also police and control social media just like how you police and control society: when you bully another youngster so hard that he or she commits suicide, it's quite likely that you'll at least need to change school afterwards. People will generally not like you afterwards. It might be that...
[07:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:05] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains. And sad for the social media fans, but it's my right to be left alone. Besides, increasingly is social media (any kind) becoming a HR tool. Soon, if not already, it'll be the tool used by insurance companies to define your insuranc...
[07:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:07] <exec> 08└─Many people have faced real world consequences for their actions on social media. People post racist and sexist remarks or bully others all the time online, under their real names. If a big enough backlash results, it can lead to termination of employment, advertiser boycotts, and even criminal char...
[07:45:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:09] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me, remains.
[07:45:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:11] <exec> 08└─Fair enough that I post non-AC here. But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless. Also, soylentnews.org is relatively unlikely to ever be a source of d...
[07:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:14] <exec> 08└─People face real world consequences for transgressing corporate agenda. Not really for being abusive towards other people. And that is the problem. Corporations have no place in policing social forums with a corporate agenda as a basis. Not using the real name is a necessity because too many people...
[07:45:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:16] <exec> 08└─The problem that I can't control what others post about me,
[07:45:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:18] <exec> 08└─But the things I said today, here, are all said under the assumption that they will not form a big liability for me in future. That might be a naive assumption, but it's one I made nonetheless.
[07:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:20] <exec> 08└─Nope, censorship is always evil and should be circumvented by any means possible. There is nothing on any part of the internet that can make a person act involuntarily. So stop with the scapegoating. If you find something you consider offensive, tune it out, and teach your damn kids to do the same t...
[07:45:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03pvanhoof [4638] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Corporate Surveillance in Everyday Life - 480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:22] <exec> 08└─Well ... Having been unwillingly the center of some heavily visited article on the green website, because I said something on a then popular OSS mailing list to RMS, I can tell you that no matter how politically correct you were; people will make up huge huge huge piles of bullshit about you as soon...
[07:45:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Entropy [4228] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:34] <exec> 08└─Yep, that's what they are.
[07:45:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:36] <exec> 08└─One more time. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity. Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[07:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:38] <exec> 08└─For sure the region has quite a lot of backward horrible fucked up shit, but not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people and not too far before that crushing and drowning innocent people accused of witchery. Plus a ton of Christian motivated violence, sterilization...
[07:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:40] <exec> 08└─And, to a lesser extent, western governments are incompatible with everything the West cherishes, since they use terrorist attacks as excuses to take away our rights.
[07:45:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:42] <exec> 08└─Hell, you've shown that you are incompatible with democracy and would prefer variations of authoritarianism. Plus it depends on your definition of "west". Cause right now the west cherishes profits above all those ideals you listed. We still supposedly have freedom of speech, though it is undermined...
[07:45:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:45] <exec> 08└─An anti terrorism court of Bahawalpur has awarded him the death sentence
[07:45:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:47] <exec> 08└─" Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region. " That's exactly what Pakistan needs. Some fucking elitest, fascists to come in and rebuild the nation in their own image. And, you completely fail to undertand that ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!! So, if you get your way, it becomes a contes...
[07:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:49] <exec> 08└─I think they use it just like western assholes, terrorism is anything that the powers that be happen to dislike.
[07:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:51] <exec> 08└─You can lead a horse to water, but a fool will drown himself while declaring he isn't thirsty.
[07:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:53] <exec> 08└─>Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region Right after condemning the west for genocide. Okay then. >Enact various global punishments (trade sanctions and the like) You're new to this aren't you, the Norks haven't stopped being little shits. >Acting like xenophobic little child...
[07:45:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:56] <exec> 08└─I am 100% certain that his other faults didn't play any role in the verdict, no sir. Namely: exposure of corruption or drug business, owning real estate that somebody powerful wants, speaking truth to power, being the lover of the country mayors wife or daughter, not selling his wife or daughter to...
[07:45:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:58] <exec> 08└─...but if a detailed examination turns up none of the above I will print out this post and eat it.
[07:45:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 4134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:00] <exec> 08└─I noticed that there are coincidentally timed human rights abuses coming up from countries and parties that were previously defended due to their strategic value during the election or post-election rallies. I seem to recall the MOAB-like circlejerking occurring when the news that SK had missile def...
[07:46:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 820 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:02] <exec> 08└─I didn't say you would get to watch the eating. I also find your doubts of my personal integrity slightly offensive (i.e.: the unspoken supposition that I would renege on a pledge - even given publicly yet somewhat anonymously). Although I can understand how your living amongst those without persona...
[07:46:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:04] <exec> 08└─Why out of curiosity? I mean I personally find it weird that you think a reason beyond what was stated was needed given that they barely need to try to prove the first one [wikipedia.org]. But probably wouldn't downvote you for it. Would probably like... Spray paint a swastika on your forehead and l...
[07:46:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:07] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy.
[07:46:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1042 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:09] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out. But I wouldn't expect someone that uses that truly tiresome term and concept on places with entirely different environmental factors to have actually read the wall of text. I can't blame anyone for not reading it actually, that's some long ass postage right t...
[07:46:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:11] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. Our theory of democracy stipulates that authority derives from the people. Our model of government, as outlined in the constitution, stipulates authorities quite well. The feds have these...
[07:46:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:13] <exec> 08└─As despicable as this death penalty for blasphemy is, it is not an act of war. So it doesn't contradict a "religion of peace". It would contradict a "religion of freedom", but then, I've never heard the claim that Islam is such.
[07:46:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:15] <exec> 08└─Note that - for reasons you should find obvious - I will not accept *any* document provided by or under the influence of local, regional or national authorities, nor produced by any personnel with ties to the area (including business interests and self, family or friends living there).
[07:46:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:18] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians. Spying on your own population? Sure. Indefinite jailing? No problem. Creating fake terror plots to trap and convict mentally ill people? Yeah, go ahead. Bombing other countries into oblivion? Good. Killing civilians, including...
[07:46:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:20] <exec> 08└─> [...] not that long ago the US had a big problem with lynching innocent black people [...] There may still be a problem with executing innocent black people: From 1996 onwards, seven of the nine principal prosecution eyewitnesses changed all or part of their trial testimony. Dorothy Ferrell, for e...
[07:46:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:22] <exec> 08└─This kind of Islam sure as hell is, yes. Happily though there are liberalised forms of the religion. Your generalisation is just that, a generalisation.
[07:46:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:24] <exec> 08└─You were too quick to pull that one out.
[07:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:26] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, with human rights, and with human dignity.
[07:46:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:29] <exec> 08└─And before someone claims that this is only the old testament, I'll start with a cite from the new testament
[07:46:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:31] <exec> 08└─Once again Runaway1955 has demonstrated his deep and crotchety understanding of religion, political systems, and what gets the alt-right all riled up. How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand? Serious question, seriously.
[07:46:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:33] <exec> 08└─"Lets use our superior experience and try and improve the region." Right. Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya and (currently) in Syria. Plus all the times before in Central and South America. Maybe y'all (I'm assuming your a USAian) should just keep your noses out of other...
[07:46:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 5, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:35] <exec> 08└─If you believe that democracy and authoritarianism are incompatible, then you fail to understand either concept. ... And, hey, don't blame me that your education failed to provide you with an understanding of authority and authoritarianism.
[07:46:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:38] <exec> 08└─How much more of his searing insight can SN withstand?
[07:46:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:40] <exec> 08└─That "blind submission" isn't part of the definition of "authority". It's not my fault that people's perceptions are messed up. How do you propose that democracy would work, without any concept of authority? If all my neighbors vote that my house should be demolished, so that they can put in a park...
[07:46:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:42] <exec> 08└─Oddly - or not so oddly - once again Aristarchus contributes nothing to the conversation. It is more his style to attempt to attack the person with whom he disagrees. Trolllollollollol
[07:46:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:44] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between: authority - which a democracy requires and part of it is delegated - direct democracies delegate a smaller part than the republic you live in; andauthoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaini...
[07:46:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:46] <exec> 08└─Agreed. And so is Christianity.
[07:46:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:49] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, Aristarchus has demonstrated no understanding of Islam - crotchety or otherwise. Try reading about Islam. http://canadafreepress.com [canadafreepress.com] "Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a r...
[07:46:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:51] <exec> 08└─You may double down . . . or you may actually study Islam Don't be silly. Aristarchus won't do either of those, while there are little boy's asses to study. But, don't call him a faggot or a pedo because those terms are politically incorrect.
[07:46:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:53] <exec> 08└─Nowhere does "blind submission" come into play here.
[07:46:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:55] <exec> 08└─Islam is incompatible with everything that the West cherishes.
[07:46:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:57] <exec> 08└─I'll give you this: The common understanding of authoritarianism, the common definition, is pretty much incompatible with democracy. Let's consider leadership training, where authoritarianism is presented as one of several styles of leadership. Any decent leadership course warns against relying on a...
[07:46:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 3833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:00] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid". 1) The United States are not m...
[07:47:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:02] <exec> 08└─"everything the west cherishes" You are not a very intelligent person. Read/watch at your own risk: your little head might explode: https://www.davidicke.com [davidicke.com]
[07:47:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:04] <exec> 08└─If your house is on fire, do you really expect the fire truck to arrive, and the fire fighting team to cast votes to see if they are going to fight this particular fire? Or, do you expect the team leader to take charge, and to tell his team where and how to attack the fire? THAT is authoritarian lea...
[07:47:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:06] <exec> 08└─Oh, sorry, I forgot the link for the "blind submission" (or mangled the markup). Here it is in full: https://theauthoritarians.org [theauthoritarians.org]
[07:47:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:08] <exec> 08└─shh! Stop telling them what's in their holy books. They believe that what's written in those books are instructions from God. The only thing holding back the bloodbath is that they don't actually read them.
[07:47:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:11] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices. When we talk about current practices, we can find different atrocities for nearly any country, I guess. Not in any order of severity: Russia - non-existant ga...
[07:47:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:13] <exec> 08└─Do you not remember that time a Christian refused to bake a cake?
[07:47:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:15] <exec> 08└─I'm reading that one - currently on page 20 - it's damned interesting. I'm not sure yet how much I agree with what he writes, but it's definitely interesting. https://www.politicalcompass.org [politicalcompass.org] Have you ever taken one of these tests? If you have a few minutes (ten, maybe?...
[07:47:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:17] <exec> 08└─Rereading my post, I'm afraid I wasn't clear on my placement on the test. I'm not "further left than most" people. This test result places me further left than most test results place me. And, this test result places me slightly closer to libertarianism than most of my test results have placed me. B...
[07:47:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:19] <exec> 08└─If we are talking about fundamental incompatibilities which cannot be overcome, we are talking about the "holy" texts, not current practices.
[07:47:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:22] <exec> 08└─Of course I do. Now, how many Muslim cake makers are willing to bake a cake for a gay marriage? Far more likely that the Muslim will bake a cake to celebrate the beheading of a gay couple.
[07:47:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:24] <exec> 08└─I am more familiar with Icke than I want to be. No, my head won't explode, but I'll not bother with watching more of his drivel.
[07:47:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:26] <exec> 08└─Not really. Most Christians will happily tell you that they don't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, they instead believe it's God's word as recorded by fallible men. This gives them the elbow-room necessary to disown the nasty passages: they're just corruptions introduced by the text'...
[07:47:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:28] <exec> 08└─Not even close. The west feels great shame in killing civilians. It's really bad press when it turns out your air force wiped out a hospital in the middle east. You think western militaries like it when that stuff hits the press? Do proud Generals speak to journalists about the glory of what happene...
[07:47:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:30] <exec> 08└─https://www.davidicke.com/article/406988/david-icke-hypocrisy-western-governments-condemning-terrorism [davidicke.com]
[07:47:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soylentbob [6519] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:33] <exec> 08└─that's just the point: the real-world manifestation of the religion is what really matters, and it's subject to change.
[07:47:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:35] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning... . 2. 'authoritarianism' (as ALL THE REST OF US describe and know it) is NOT sometimes a 'good thing', EXCEPT in the weird exceptional cases you will make up where someone had to take quick, unilateral action...
[07:47:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:37] <exec> 08└─I don't softball sharia law: it's always awful and always incompatible with modern civilized values. You're right though that there is some room for interpretation, such as sharia countries which give people 'whippings' so tame as not to leave a mark. It would be comical if it weren't so medieval. s...
[07:47:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:39] <exec> 08└─The obvious reason being that: - if I am wrong, there is no reason - if I am right, anybody participating in the investigation runs a serious risk of ending up dead, their friends maimed and their family raped. Or something to that effect. The only thing an investigation under these circumstances wi...
[07:47:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:41] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is incompatible w/ Western democracy, I think it hasn't evolved enough yet -- meaning some of its adherents who also hold power cling to medieval practices. It wasn't so long ago that overly infected Christians with power were drowning and burning women believed to be witches right...
[07:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:44] <exec> 08└─Come on, mate! Admit you made a confusion between:...authority... authoritarianism
[07:47:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:46] <exec> 08└─All of which proves some people are so stupid they are beyond redemption.
[07:47:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:48] <exec> 08└─Yo're full of shit and you need to shut the fuck up because all you're doing is proving you're an idiot.
[07:47:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:50] <exec> 08└─Let us count the number of dead caused by ISIS (a wing of Israel, USA and their allies): Mostly advertisement material made with the deaths an unlucky few. The number of dead caused by western sanctions against Saddam's Iraq: Millions dead The number of dead in current M.E crisis: Hundreds of thousa...
[07:47:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:52] <exec> 08└─The word you missed was "hypocrisy". When coupled with the term "western values", ("cherishes" in your case), hypocrisy is how you describe it.
[07:47:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:55] <exec> 08└─Have you read any of his books? . You attacked the messenger, not the message. The message is that Western values are a hoax, a lie. The West of full of hypocrisy. The message still stands. - Which books have you written exposing truths to the world? Give me a list.
[07:47:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:57] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can be a troll. I've explained that the term is commonly used in texts used to teach leadership. And, the term isn't exactly what the common man believes it to mean. That "unthinking" and "mindless" bit is bullshit.
[07:47:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:47:59] <exec> 08└─You see no differences between the Salem witch trials, and Chop Chop Square? Local authorities quickly moved to prevent any reoccurrences of the Salem with trials, here in the US. The trials were condemned by both church authorities, as well as government authorities. Chop Chop reoccurs weekly, and...
[07:48:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:01] <exec> 08└─Go ahead, little runaway! Dig that hole deeper! Keep digging! You need to make it deeper!
[07:48:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:03] <exec> 08└─I don't know, this test places me further left than the Green party, which I generally despise for being extremist dumb-ass impractical SJW pinko fairy brethren. I don't get along with lefty types at all. Some of the questions didn't have any answer that I wanted. There was not an option for "ambiva...
[07:48:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:06] <exec> 08└─I take it then, that you are probably an American. Europeans are very comfortable taking this and similar tests. They understand the political spectrum better than we do. I suppose that is because Europeans have so many different political systems on that one continent. People travel, and they are e...
[07:48:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:08] <exec> 08└─Of course democracy and authoritarianism are compatible. The voters can always vote in an authoritarian. Someone who promises to protect them if given enough power. That person could continue to hold both elections and great power. There are many authoritarian regimes in the world and a number of th...
[07:48:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:10] <exec> 08└─Be nice if Pakistan would sentence Facebook to death. Accessory before the fact and all that.
[07:48:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:12] <exec> 08└─He used to post more insightful stuff, but I feel his pain. After years now of dealing with close minded fools who think they are "so very smart^TM" it gets tiring to respond to everything with well formed arguments. Most of the time the arguments are quickly dismissed and you realize your effort wa...
[07:48:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:14] <exec> 08└─I remember the time the US President and top military commander said he was on a crusade, said the Christian God told him to invade, and then ordered the invasion of a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to the USA, causing a doubling of overall mortality and leading to the death of app...
[07:48:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:17] <exec> 08└─YOU don't realize how fucked up we are, and your fellow mid westerners as a whole. There are quite a few cities with massive cultural mixing, but ironically we're demonized as elitist ivory tower communists/socialists. I've lost a lot of the patience I had for close minded people once I realized how...
[07:48:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:19] <exec> 08└─Great example of the moral equivalence fallacy. Every culture has its crazies. But US crazies aren't condemning people to death legally for blasphemy. Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[07:48:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:21] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that Europeans often tell us that we don't have a left and a right party. What we have are right and further right.
[07:48:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:23] <exec> 08└─But we're not talking about the holy texts, we're talking about the religions as they are currently practised in the real world Lord's Resistance Army [wikipedia.org] Name a religion and I can name a group of assholes abusing it to do evil.
[07:48:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:25] <exec> 08└─May as well be the Life of Brian - Jehovah skit: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[07:48:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:28] <exec> 08└─Historical reviiiiiisionismmm No one is saying there isn't a problem with some Islamic groups, but hey look back at the US and you find some loony Christian sects doing their own harm. You can find extremist groups willing to bomb, assault, and murder people for having the wrong beliefs. I'll stick...
[07:48:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 1694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:30] <exec> 08└─Actually most Christians are supposed to follow Jesus. While Muhammad is supposedly an excellent example for Muslims: https://quran.com [quran.com] Unlike Muhammad, Jesus didn't go about waging wars and killing people. And the Great Commission was to spread his teachings and make disciples of...
[07:48:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:32] <exec> 08└─I suggested things like trade sanctions, and basically these things should be done on the world level not by one country. I did not advocate invasion or anything. Isolate them, let them do whatever they want, they can come back to the world community once they stop their bullshit. Does that satisfy...
[07:48:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:34] <exec> 08└─It has been a pleasure to see someone else take people to task for their bullshit. Well done.
[07:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:36] <exec> 08└─Are you kidding? FB is in the US! That would guarantee WW3 Hmm, maybe we can get FB to offshore themselves to a more appropriate country...
[07:48:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:39] <exec> 08└─Well, at least we now know where the line is for resident authoritarians.
[07:48:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:41] <exec> 08└─So is Christianity. Ask the Jehovah's Witnesses. They must not vote. The must not believe in science when it doesn't suit their masters. In fact, I once read a leaflet about "Islam" that looked like it could have been written by the Watchtower organisation. The level of sophistication was about the...
[07:48:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:43] <exec> 08└─To my surprise, my result places me just a smidge (on both axis) in the authoritarian left. Probably the age effect, about 10-15 years earlier I'd have been more on the left and heck deep into libertarian.
[07:48:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:45] <exec> 08└─In your link, Bob Altemeyer seems to end up equating authoritarianism with the right (at least in North America)
[07:48:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:47] <exec> 08└─1. well, well, well, appears our li'l runaway is capable of a certain amount of learning...
[07:48:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:50] <exec> 08└─The point being, authoritarianism plays a role in all political systems. It can play an unhealthy role, and it can play a healthy role.
[07:48:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:52] <exec> 08└─I've met Icke have you? He's a grade A nut job. My comment stands
[07:48:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:54] <exec> 08└─I doubt it was a direct response to you, maybe piggy backing off your sarcasm? Also, you forgot to bold "awarded", cause that sounds like a pretty shitty award to win.
[07:48:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:56] <exec> 08└─And there is a statistically large chance that you're a racist dickbag. Go collect your dicks baggy.
[07:48:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:48:58] <exec> 08└─This is why I hate that fucking term so much. It's such an easy way out of looking at yourself in the mirror and meditating on history when it doesn't even mean anything with the way it's used beyond "No, this country's different. Therefore your comparison is invalid".
[07:49:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:01] <exec> 08└─You're welcome.
[07:49:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:03] <exec> 08└─authoritarianism - self-assumed, imposed and maintained type of authority, just for the sake of retaining privileges and position
[07:49:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:05] <exec> 08└─Correct, the Islamic folk in the US are not condemning people to death for blasphemy.
[07:49:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:07] <exec> 08└─Interesting, I haven't thought at authoritarianism from the angle of a bona fide conviction, only from the perspective of a "personal advantages motives".
[07:49:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:09] <exec> 08└─"Study", hmm, I think that Runaway has a rather unique definition of this activity. Terrorism is a tactic, not a religion, and it has been employed in the past 150 years by Muslims, Jews, anarchists, communists, Christians and Buddhists, all of whom were to some extent motivated by their beliefs. Y...
[07:49:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Pakistan Sentences Man to Death for Blasphemy on Facebook - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:12] <exec> 08└─Way I heard was: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture."
[07:49:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:21] <exec> 08└─What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old far. WHO CARES?
[07:49:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:24] <exec> 08└─HE'S AN OLD FART.
[07:49:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:26] <exec> 08└─Um... What's the point of this emperor person? Emperor of what, anyway? Japan is a tiny island! What is wrong with all of you people who hold on so dearly to your dear beloved Dear Leader? He's an old fart. WHO CARES?
[07:49:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:28] <exec> 08└─According to the 1947 Imperial House Law the emperor cannot step down.
[07:49:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:30] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[07:49:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:32] <exec> 08└─If only Queen Elizabeth would accept that it is time for her to abdicate ...
[07:49:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:35] <exec> 08└─It was just one of many changes made as a result of the post-war Constitution. But the U.S. did not directly make it so: Article 2 of the Constitution of Japan, promulgated in 1947 by influence of the U.S. occupation administration, provides that "The Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded...
[07:49:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:37] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King. I'm not all that sure the British population would react all that well from what I've heard over the years. Now if Charles abdicated his claim to make William next in line to the throne she might decide to step down.
[07:49:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:39] <exec> 08└─The flowers that bloom in the spring (Tra La) have nothing to do with the case.
[07:49:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:41] <exec> 08└─This is where the Allies screwed the pooch. The concept of Empire should have been abolished at the end of WWII. It would have cost the Allies more casualties, but it should have been done. No royalty, no succession, no Empire, all of it rooted out, and abolished by law. The seeds for a new Empire a...
[07:49:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:44] <exec> 08└─"the US wisely accepted that wish" I disagree with that. The US unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[07:49:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:46] <exec> 08└─Didn't stop Emperor Hitler though.
[07:49:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:48] <exec> 08└─In April, she wore a hat instead of a crown when she opened Parliament: For only the second time in her reign, the Queen will wear “day dress” and a hat for the State Opening of Parliament, abandoning the traditional Robes of State.
[07:49:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:50] <exec> 08└─What's the point ...?
[07:49:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:52] <exec> 08└─The sticking point in the surrender in 1945 was that the Japs wanted to keep their royalty. Had USA.gov simply said "OK, but it's just ceremonial", the war would have been over a month earlier and there would have been no excuse to use a nuclear weapon on tens of thousands of civilians. USA.gov, how...
[07:49:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:55] <exec> 08└─Because of the looming threats next door, commies.
[07:49:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:57] <exec> 08└─That would make Charles King
[07:49:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03KiloByte [375] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:49:59] <exec> 08└─unwisely bestowed legitimacy on the next Emperor who dreams of world domination.
[07:50:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 934 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:01] <exec> 08└─So, you've got a hardon for Putin? Not really relevant to this discussion. More relevant, is the fact that the US is pushing all of it's allies to take more responsibility for their own defense. Also relevant, is the Japanese controversy over altering their constitution to allow the Japanese forces...
[07:50:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:04] <exec> 08└─Well, that's one theory. Your theory might be a bit more convincing if you could avoid that "USA.gov". That bit of silliness makes me wonder if you even have a grasp on history - there was no .gov or .com or anything like it back then. You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, w...
[07:50:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:06] <exec> 08└─The concept of royalty immediately leads to an understanding that not all people are equal.
[07:50:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:08] <exec> 08└─and hopefully speed up the process of Australia getting an Australian (non executive) head of state.
[07:50:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:10] <exec> 08└─...I don't see how creating yet another pole of power can help Australia - the prime minister is quite enough thank you...
[07:50:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:13] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth, or does one first have to learn to administer a user's system? Did you gain your administrative privileges by virtue of your family name, or by virtue of study and hard work? Are members of my family, clan, nation, religion barred from becoming administra...
[07:50:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:15] <exec> 08└─You are obviously viewing history from your own place in time, with your own perspectives.
[07:50:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:17] <exec> 08└─Scrap the whole monarchy while they're at it. A useless expensive figurehead.
[07:50:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:19] <exec> 08└─> The fact is, the US legitimized the position of the Emperor [...] Perhaps the U.S. legitimised the (monarchic) British Empire by allying with it in that same war? > The concept of royalty is anathema to the US [...] The UK and a few other countries manage to pull it off, reasonably well [...] I'm...
[07:50:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:21] <exec> 08└─And, for the reasons posted above, I disagree with the Brigadier. I believe that it is a danger to the world to have legitimized the royal family. How great a danger, I can't possibly say. Unless you are omniscient, you can't deny the potential of that royal family assuming the god-like role they ha...
[07:50:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:24] <exec> 08└─So next we're going to drop a nuke on Britain then? Or is their monarchy somehow exempt from this rule?
[07:50:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 364 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:26] <exec> 08└─As an American, we should all strive to eliminate monarchies. Some are better than others, but the very concept of a royal class is anathema to democracy. Nuke the UK? Ehhh, I don't mind. But, first, you've gotta have some kind of cassus belli. Since we haven't been at war with the UK for a couple h...
[07:50:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:28] <exec> 08└─So your principles are firm and inviolate, except when you don't feel like upholding them. Gotcha. Jesus, you're a piece of work ain't'cha...
[07:50:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:30] <exec> 08└─Alright, the ball is in your court. Just what the FUCK makes a monarchy and a royal class so damned attractive? That is, anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a nation's wealth, while all the commoners are merely "subjects", or chattel, to be done with as those royal families...
[07:50:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:33] <exec> 08└─What the fuck makes you think I like the idea? I'm something of a left-libertarian, though I can't help but notice that several constitutional monarchies are doing better than us. Britain and Canada for example. Also, please explain how "anywhere from one to a dozen families have all the rights to a...
[07:50:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:35] <exec> 08└─The Queen can specify an Heir. I believe she made it clear a few years back that Charles was not it. IIRC she said William would be the one.
[07:50:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:37] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you should re-read some history. Where did royalty come from? Royalty has always had rights. Commoners, not so much. Try this idea on for size - https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[07:50:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:39] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The US anathema for monarchies is strictly a Domestic one, and the US has never shown any animosity to figurehead monarchs in otherwise elected governments. Which is exactly what the Emperor was, and Is. The white gloves and top hat guy you trot out for ceremony. Why keep him around? It had...
[07:50:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:41] <exec> 08└─You must become One with the Source. On the other hand BOFH are born that way.
[07:50:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:44] <exec> 08└─Japan may be small geographically, but they're the tenth-largest country by population in the world.
[07:50:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:46] <exec> 08└─Umm...did you even read the lede of that article? refers to a supposed legal right in medieval Europe, and elsewhere, allowing feudal lords to have sexual relations with subordinate women (the "wedding night" detail is specific to some variants). There is no evidence of the right being exercised in...
[07:50:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:48] <exec> 08└─Does one become an "administrator" by birth
[07:50:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:50] <exec> 08└─I think VLM still owes us a good answer to this one.
[07:50:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:53] <exec> 08└─The US is much larger shoe, but the rest of your statement would seem to fit.
[07:50:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:55] <exec> 08└─Of course he didn't. He's gone completely off the rails, like he always does.
[07:50:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:57] <exec> 08└─Of course I read it. And, the usual disclaimer that the wiki isn't authoritative. The fact that the article exists, the fact that discussions have taken place regarding those "rights", support the idea that the "rights" were exercised at various times in history. All of which supports my position th...
[07:50:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:59] <exec> 08└─Ol' Blighty's just one plane ride away, m'boy. What's stopping you? Go on, try and chop the head off Queen Elizabeth.
[07:51:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:01] <exec> 08└─As a good American serviceman, I properly conveyed the US Armed Forces contempt for royalty to the Queen, years ago, at the Silver Jubilee. I did NOT bend my knee for the Queen when she passed in the street. Wonder if you were aware that US Servicement are forbidden from bowing to foreign royalty? D...
[07:51:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:04] <exec> 08└─Indeed I did, and that raised an eyebrow. It didn't, however, trigger me...as it seems to have done to you. Runaway, you have some serious unresolved fucking daddy issues, you know that? This weird, slavish authoritarianism coupled with an almost unconscious reactive insistence that you're not actua...
[07:51:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:06] <exec> 08└─No, the succession is controlled by the Parliaments of the Commonwealth, they all have to agree to a change in succession such as the recent changes that allowed the oldest child to succeed whether male or female. Charles can quit as soon as he is declared King but as long as he is alive, he is next...
[07:51:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Japan Clears Way for Emperor to Step Down in 1st Abdication in 200 Years - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:08] <exec> 08└─Charles can't abdicate his claim, the best he can do is abdicate after being declared King. Might only be a King for an instant, but he still has to be King to abdicate. Of course the Parliaments of the Commonwealth could change the succession law again but it doesn't seem likely. The Statute of Wes...
[07:51:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:17] <exec> 08└─Harnessing Raspberry Pis for crypto-currency mining sounds a lot like investing in a team of shambler zombies for Olympic track-racing events.
[07:51:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:19] <exec> 08└─Well, leave your default passwords on default usernames on internet connected devices and there really shouldn't be any surprise if it gets taken over. Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change. Doesn't matter if it's the router, the Pi, the webcam, or any...
[07:51:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:22] <exec> 08└─Have fun with your strawberry pie, Linux whores.
[07:51:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lagg [105] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:24] <exec> 08└─When I had a use for the pi and ran one, basically anything that took up cycles would make it so that even dash got stalled. This seems like an old piece of malware that happened to be redistributed enough to be noticed again. Or perhaps that someone purposefully decided to redistribute.
[07:51:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:26] <exec> 08└─I can't imagine writing any malware trying to take over a Pi. Even if you hack half a million of them, you still don't have any crypto powerhouse at your disposal. They would all melt down if you put them to that much work. They need heat sinks [broadviewtech.com] for that kind of work. That said I'...
[07:51:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:28] <exec> 08└─But, if they are looking to win a marathon, zombies do not need to sleep and an run(?or walk) 24x7.
[07:51:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:30] <exec> 08└─Marathon runners typically don't sleep during the Marathon either. And if some do, those certainly won't win.
[07:51:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:33] <exec> 08└─Until people are forced to change passwords on first use, this isn't going to change.
[07:51:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:35] <exec> 08└─The first time you run passwd successfully, this "scramble at every reboot" can be disabled.
[07:51:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:37] <exec> 08└─"The article focuses on how much your power bill will go up in the course of making money for someone else due to the 100%-CPU-usage nature of mining software." On a 5v 2/3A device? 15W total? My PC probably takes more than that in standby. You could leave it on for a year and barely reach the same...
[07:51:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:39] <exec> 08└─Another interesting solution is nobody gets to SSH in remotely until the password is set
[07:51:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:41] <exec> 08└─Ouch, that's a highly questionable design choice. Like did some Russian or acronym organization pay for it, level of questionable.
[07:51:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:44] <exec> 08└─The local power company would notice. So is it capitalism at work and the botnet authors work for your local electrical company, or is it ecoterrorism where the goal is to make one pi virus emit 1000000 times as much CO2 as the Paris Accords would have reduced or is it a combo of the above as a piec...
[07:51:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:46] <exec> 08└─CPU miners were dead years ago. GPU miners are dead even. ASIC miners are only just holding their own and making profit.
[07:51:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:48] <exec> 08└─Of course if you are operating your Pi headless, you'll never get to see this boot message in the first place ...
[07:51:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Linux Malware Turns Raspberry Pi Devices Into CryptoCurrency Mining Zombies - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:51:50] <exec> 08└─Yes, the message is displayed on any login. If your login is GUI, there's a message box; if not, then it's above the initial prompt, according to their blog post. I don't know the mechanism of delivery.
[07:52:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:01] <exec> 08└─I can't wait for the biography of NiggerCommander detailing: how he was presumptuous to create Soylentnews; rumors of his genius are fabrications; his hubris knows no bounds; NiggerCommander is really a drooling idiot; and how he was driven to depression and alcoholism and suicide. I smell a best se...
[07:52:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Redundant) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:03] <exec> 08└─See what happens when you run news approving a hit piece. You're next, bitch.
[07:52:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:05] <exec> 08└─And he assaulted reporters. And he beat his wife.
[07:52:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:08] <exec> 08└─monuments like the one removed Friday in New Orleans.
[07:52:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:10] <exec> 08└─One way to look at this: This is a thing that bored historians do. Every once in a while they publish a piece that says 'everything you thought you knew was wrong' about something. I've seen similar analysis of of Washington, Napoleon, Montgomery, Patton, Caesar, Ike, and even of Wellington. Another...
[07:52:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:12] <exec> 08└─Jr high history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil War. High School history, supposed to get to modern day. Never hit the Civil war. College history, supposed to get to modern day, never got to the Civil War. 3 shots, never got the Civil War, WW1, WW2, cold war, Vietnam. But I sure...
[07:52:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:14] <exec> 08└─Well, like anything else, unfortunately it takes hard work and knowledge of the subject to detect blatantly partisan crap. Even when you think you're getting stuff straight from the horse's mouth, you get things like my Ralph Manheim translation of Mein Kampf which dedicates his entire foreword to d...
[07:52:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 1585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:16] <exec> 08└─Lee probably wasn't the best general in the war, and probably not the best general in the South. But that's completely different from saying "he wasn't very good at his job." He was a competent general and particularly had success in the first years of the war. I think we need only reflect on one si...
[07:52:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:19] <exec> 08└─The history books wouldn't tell you shit anyway, unless you get good ones at the college level. The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists. Unfortunately, for the past 10 or so years colleges here h...
[07:52:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:21] <exec> 08└─Yea, I think I'll take the opinion of pretty much every US General who fought Lee over some pink Cultural Marxist trying to rewrite history. The winners generally write the history books and usually make the losers out as well, losers, and themselves as the geniuses. So when the winners all universa...
[07:52:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:23] <exec> 08└─One last note -- what IF the headline is true? Doesn't that actually ADD to "Lost Cause" propaganda? ("Despite being overmatched and having an incompetent commander, we fought on despite the odds...") Saying Lee had flaws as a tactician is fine. Claiming he was incompetent just makes him into a sort...
[07:52:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:25] <exec> 08└─It seems to be the season to beat up on the South. What makes this new historian right where others were wrong? I suspect not much. But he want to make a name for himself.
[07:52:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score: 5, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:27] <exec> 08└─The folks who know history at the battle-by-battle level with at least a basic understanding of statistics are professionals or hobbyist autists.
[07:52:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:30] <exec> 08└─What makes this new historian right where others were wrong?
[07:52:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03oakgrove [5864] (Score: 1) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:32] <exec> 08└─Fuck this. I'm going back to Slashdot. No, fuck that too [slashdot.org]. Maybe I should just hand out on Hacker News. Dammit, nope [ycombinator.com]! Well, looks like it's time to apply for a login on lobsters. Look, I get politics-lite human interest is important. But so is food. I don't see multip...
[07:52:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:34] <exec> 08└─They don't really spend any kind of time on the US civil war over here in euroland, we busy learning about our own dead kings and their failed wars. That said didn't the south lose in large part due to a massive lack of industrial support? Not enough resources -- a story that gets repeated later in...
[07:52:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Truth About Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee: He Wasn’t Very Good at His Job - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:52:36] <exec> 08└─All of your eyeball are belong to DICE [slashdotmedia.com].
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