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[00:00:17] <halibut> My guess is fsck is not recognizing the filesystem. NTFS is not well supported on GNU/Linux.
[00:00:20] <Bytram_dewey> NTFS
[00:00:48] <halibut> Oh -- I keep forgetting. The permission error is because you are not root.
[00:00:49] <Bytram_dewey> are there ntfs-specific command analogs?
[00:00:56] <halibut> sudo fsck /dev/sdc1
[00:00:59] <halibut> Actually, try:
[00:01:06] <halibut> sudo fsck -N /dev/sdc1
[00:01:37] <halibut> fsck is a front-end. It attempts to detect the filesystem, and then runs a filesystem-specific checker (fsck.ext2 for ext2, for example).
[00:01:56] <halibut> The -N should be a dry-run -- it should just say which command it would run.
[00:02:07] <Bytram_Huey> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fsck -N /dev/sdc1
[00:02:12] <Bytram_Huey> fsck from util-linux 2.31.1
[00:02:22] <Bytram_Huey> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[00:02:49] <Bytram_Huey> oops, missed that... trying again
[00:03:35] <Bytram_Huey> oh, wait. I *did* get it.
[00:04:14] <halibut> If you type ``fsck.'' and then press TAB a few times, it should show the list of fsck back-ends that are installed (or, at least the ones names fsck.*). If none of them appear to have a name like fsck.ntfs, my guess is you do not have NTFS checkers installed.
[00:04:21] <Bytram_Huey> looks like it did not find anything to complain about.
[00:04:46] <halibut> The -N means it would not actually try to run anything. Try leaving it out to see if it does anything.
[00:05:16] <Bytram_Huey> fsck fsck.cramfs fsck.ext3 fsck.fat fsck.minix fsck.reiserfs fsck.xfs
[00:05:19] <Bytram_Huey> fsck.btrfs fsck.ext2 fsck.ext4 fsck.jfs fsck.msdos fsck.vfat
[00:05:36] <Bytram_Huey> ^^^ u=is what I have
[00:06:08] <Bytram_Huey> at least on *this* system
[00:06:49] <Bytram_dewey> and I see only one line over herer:
[00:06:49] <Bytram_dewey> fsck fsck.cramfs fsck.exfat fsck.ext2 fsck.ext3 fsck.ext4 fsck.fat fsck.minix fsck.msdos fsck.vfat
[00:07:40] <halibut> https://superuser.com seems to suggest that there are tools for checking NTFS drives in GNU/Linux, but using a Windows OS (possibly in a VM) is probably a better way to check a Windows filesystem.
[00:07:45] <Bytram_dewey> =g fsck ntfs
[00:08:10] <Bytram_dewey> brb
[00:09:08] <halibut> I had a sneaking suspicion that somebody would run =g fsck ntfs in #soylent.
[00:11:14] <Bytram_dewey> moi?
[00:11:54] <Bytram_dewey> if I had hexchat up and running as myself, I could have done: /invite systemd #qa
[00:12:56] <Bytram_dewey> I so appreciate the help... need to take a break for a bit and make a bite to eat.
[00:13:07] <Bytram_dewey> afk
[00:14:10] <halibut> You just dealt with over 900 billion bytes, and now you need one more? You need to pace yourself a little.
[00:23:02] <Bytram_dewey> what do you mean? That *was* pacing myself!
[00:23:08] <Bytram_dewey> :D
[00:23:53] <Bytram_Huey> FWIW, over here I am running off a Live Ubuntu image on a ISB stick
[00:24:05] <Bytram_Huey> s/I/U/
[00:26:09] <halibut> Guess I got turned around. I thought Dewey was on the live USB, and Huey was running Ubuntu proper, but I was not paying particularly close attention to that part.
[00:26:11] <Bytram_dewey> halibut: So, is it (relatively) safe to assume that the dd worked okay? There were no error messages, at least. IOW, do you see any reason why I cannot physically disconnect the SSD drive from Huey and bring it over here on Dewey?
[00:26:22] <halibut> Correct.
[00:26:28] <Bytram_dewey> k
[00:26:44] <halibut> If nothing else, you still have the original.
[00:27:38] <Bytram_dewey> wait.... ISTR there wsas something else on Ubuntu I could try... in the gui
[00:29:43] <halibut> My eyes glazed over a little when you and janrinok were discussing GUIs. All I remember was logging out and an icon near your name before logging in to switch deskctop environment, or something like that.
[00:31:53] <Bytram_dewey> still looks okay...
[00:31:59] <Bytram_dewey> yank
[00:33:52] <Bytram_dewey> plug
[00:36:39] <Bytram_dewey> and... now I see two 1 TB drives
[00:37:39] <Bytram_dewey> ls /dev/sd* shows: /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1
[00:38:10] <halibut> Sounds promising ...
[00:38:11] <Bytram_dewey> sda1 is howing lvm with root and swap
[00:38:17] <Bytram_dewey> sda1 is showing lvm with root and swap
[00:38:34] <Bytram_dewey> and...
[00:38:38] <Bytram_dewey> sdb1 8:17 0 931.5G 0 part /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5
[00:39:14] <Bytram_dewey> NB reverse('martyb') == \bytram'
[00:39:15] <halibut> Looks like it mounted automatically.
[00:39:20] <Bytram_dewey> NB reverse('martyb') == 'bytram'
[00:39:25] <Bytram_dewey> yep
[00:39:28] <Bytram_dewey> YAY!
[00:39:39] <halibut> You can switch it to a read-only mount, I think, with:
[00:39:43] <Bytram_dewey> halibut: thanks so much for your help!
[00:39:52] <halibut> mount -o remount,ro /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5
[00:39:55] <halibut> You are welcome.
[00:40:43] <Bytram_dewey> as tempted as I am to plow on ahead, I'm getting tired and thinking it might be best for me to quit while I am ahead
[00:41:56] <Bytram_dewey> should this do it: sudo umount /dev/sdb
[00:42:56] <Bytram_dewey> halibut: ^^^
[00:43:36] <Bytram_dewey> brb
[00:43:42] <halibut> Use /dev/sdb1, not /dev/sdb, but yes, I think that should do it.
[00:43:49] <Bytram_dewey> k
[00:43:54] <halibut> If you are in a GUI, I think there is a GUI way to do it, too.
[00:44:06] <halibut> I wouldn't know what it is, though.
[00:46:20] <Bytram_dewey> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[00:46:23] <Bytram_dewey> [sudo] password for martyb:
[00:46:38] <Bytram_dewey> umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted.
[00:47:52] <halibut> Is there anything in /media/martyb/ (ls /media/martyb), and does mount say anything about sdb (mount | grep -F sdb)?
[00:48:59] <Bytram_dewey> the mount comes back with nothing
[00:49:22] <Bytram_dewey> same with the ls command
[00:49:36] <halibut> Sounds like something unmounted it for you. Weird.
[00:50:00] <halibut> I do not have any systems that automatically mount things, so I have little experience with how to get them unmounted.
[00:51:09] <halibut> You'll have to ask somebody with more Ubuntu experience for more on that. However, if mount does not show /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 as mounted, it should be safe to unplug the drive, and you can return to this later.
[00:51:11] <Bytram_dewey> I clicked the thing in the gui that looks like an underlined carat (^)
[00:51:27] <halibut> That sounds like the typical ``eject'' symbol.
[00:51:51] <Bytram_dewey> was what I thought
[00:53:04] <halibut> Best of luck on getting whichever of your computers you are switching to Ubuntu configured the way you want.
[00:53:44] <halibut> I'm not frequently around at the same time as you, but am happy to help when I am. I have very little Ubuntu-specific or GUI experience, though. Sounds like you have plenty of people who are happy to help you, though, so you should be fine.
[00:54:10] <halibut> Also, you are not afraid of CLI, which helps a lot. Much easier to explain CLI over IRC than describe GUI activities.
[00:54:39] <Bytram_dewey> thanks! I'm kinda wishing this was happening in a couple months... am looking to break down and get a more up-to-date system on sale for the holidays
[00:55:21] <Bytram_dewey> I first put hand to teletype in 1972... back then the GUI was rather... limited!
[00:55:33] <Bytram_dewey> :D
[00:56:04] <Bytram_dewey> brb
[01:01:50] <Bytram_Huey> back
[01:03:34] <halibut> front
[01:03:51] <Bytram_Huey> up
[01:04:25] <halibut> https://store.roosterteeth.com
[01:04:30] <halibut> down
[01:04:34] <halibut> top
[01:04:35] <Bytram_Huey> let's do the time warp agaaaain!
[01:05:39] <halibut> If I ever see somebody wearing one of those front-back shirts, I suspect I will stand there for 5 minutes trying to come up with something witty to say ... and eventually realize that they are no longer in front of me anyways, and give up.
[01:05:56] <halibut> Being aware of this in advance, I suspect, will not help.
[01:06:43] <Bytram_Huey> "You're wearing it wrong."
[01:07:25] <halibut> ... but they're not! That's the point! ... I think.
[01:07:35] <Bytram_Huey> and I'm sure Steve Jobs would back me up on that!
[01:08:15] <Bytram_Huey> when they go to correct you, tell 'em it's... upside down!
[01:08:57] <halibut> ... or inside out?
[01:09:27] <Bytram_Huey> *now* you're talking!
[01:09:32] <halibut> Maybe I could tell them it's spelled wrong? They would not be able to tell, since it's on their back.
[01:10:55] <halibut> It would probably be too hard to explain, but I could try to convince them that it's written backwards when they are wearing it. If they take it off and turn it around it looks forwards, but when they turn it around to put it back on, that flips it and it is backwards for me.
[01:11:00] <halibut> Here's a mirror ... see?
[01:11:15] <Bytram_Huey> tell 'em 'Did you know there is only one "c" in "back"?' ... which *is* true, and *is* how it's spelled, and *will* confuse them
[01:11:26] <halibut> That's a good one.
[01:11:48] <Bytram_Huey> FYI: I can read in all 4 directions
[01:11:51] <Bytram_Huey> right side up
[01:11:55] <Bytram_Huey> upside down
[01:12:00] <Bytram_Huey> backwards
[01:12:06] <Bytram_Huey> upside down and backwards
[01:12:22] <halibut> What about sdrawrof?
[01:12:40] <halibut> Oh ... your nick is bytram ... I guess you can read that.
[01:12:48] <Bytram_Huey> yep, I nac od taht ot!
[01:12:59] <halibut> You misspelled that.
[01:13:12] <halibut> I believe you meant ``oot!''
[01:13:36] <Bytram_Huey> well, that's easy for *you* to saY!
[01:14:47] <halibut> This is starting to sound like that brain teaser where a bunch of words are given in various colors, and you are supposed to say the color in which they word is written. If the words themselves are the names of colors, it's really hard.
[01:15:29] <Bytram_dewey> like all those sweatshirts that say PINK !
[01:16:55] <halibut> 03red 07blue 4orange ... and so on. If IRC handles that correctly, I think you are supposed to say green (the color of the first word), orange (the color of the second), red (the color of the third).
[01:16:55] <Bytram_dewey> there should be a line of menswear that says "BLUE" !
[01:18:12] <Bytram_dewey> I see: green, yellow, red BUT it *is* vey hard)
[01:18:59] <halibut> Apparently this is called the Stroop effect. See, for example, https://faculty.washington.edu or https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:19:50] <Bytram_dewey> for a different, umm, "angle" on English words, one of my all-time favorites is: http://ncf.idallen.com
[01:22:23] <halibut> That is pretty good. I have seen either that poem, or ones making similar fun of English spelling, a few times before.
[01:22:56] <Bytram_dewey> oh oh! brb
[01:24:09] <Bytram_dewey> https://annex.exploratorium.edu
[01:25:23] <Bytram_dewey> That, in my estimation, shows termendous mastery of the English language.
[01:28:59] <halibut> That is really hard to read.
[01:29:20] <Bytram_dewey> yes, but isn't it awesome!
[01:29:52] <halibut> You've mentioned knowing German. Are you familiar with Mark Twain's thoughts on the language? https://faculty.georgetown.edu I particularly liked his thoughts on genders, leading up to the tale of the fishwife.
[01:29:58] <halibut> It is pretty awesome.
[01:30:07] <halibut> It is very slow reading, though.
[01:30:37] <Bytram_dewey> oh my yes! well, if it is what I think it is... brb
[01:31:46] <halibut> I'm having trouble figuring out what happens to Ladle Rat Rotten Hut after exclaiming about the big mouth.
[01:32:14] <Bytram_dewey> this piece by Twain is new to me
[01:33:07] <halibut> I think the ``woof'' gobbled her up in this version.
[01:38:00] <Bytram_dewey> Egaad! I had forgotten how terribly difficult it was to read!
[01:43:06] <Bytram_dewey> that *is* a tough passage. I can translate the latter half of that paragraph, but it's tough at the start.
[01:43:47] * Bytram_dewey decides it's too late and he's too tired to work on it N E moore!
[01:44:20] <halibut> Have a nice night.
[01:44:53] <Bytram_dewey> Thank You! and the same to YOUI
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[01:45:52] <Bytram_dewey> and thanks again for all your help... not just giving the answers but helping to set context so I could better *understand* what I was doing -- that means a lot to me!
[01:49:18] <halibut> You are welcome again.
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[12:28:08] <janrinok> Bytram, ping
[12:31:31] <janrinok> lurking around - I'll keep checking here every 5 minutes or so
[12:33:12] <Bytram_dewey> janrinok: I'm here, too
[12:38:16] <janrinok> Ok - I saw that the transfer finished OK. I've got a few pottering jobs to do but lets get ourselves sorted out first. Are you planning to install Hexchat? And do you have the original config that you are trying to keep?
[12:39:43] <Bytram_dewey> It appears that the Hexchat application is already installed in this distro (mate)
[12:39:51] <janrinok> yep, it is a default
[12:40:16] <janrinok> but you want to install your earlier settings - or did you configure way back in the distant past?
[12:40:18] <Bytram_dewey> I have the (copied) ssd plugged in as an external drive here...
[12:40:50] <janrinok> sorry refresh me - is it a copy of Windows or of Linux?
[12:41:02] <Bytram_dewey> windows
[12:41:19] <Bytram_dewey> lsblk shows (in part)
[12:41:30] <Bytram_dewey> sdb 8:16 0 931.5G 0 disk
[12:41:32] <Bytram_dewey> └─sdb1 8:17 0 931.5G 0 part /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5
[12:42:04] <janrinok> I do not know where the config of Hexchat is stored in Windows. If you don't know you might have to search on Goog to find out
[12:42:44] <Bytram_dewey> well, first off, I'm trying to figure out how to gain accesss to the files on the ssd
[12:43:28] <janrinok> ah OK, hang on while I do a few small jobs (medication etc) - in the meantime check with Google so that we know what we are looking for
[12:47:43] <Bytram_dewey> Config files are stored as plaintext files (which shouldn’t be edited by hand). They are located in: Windows: %APPDATA%\HexChat
[12:48:56] <janrinok> ok - do you want to do this by CLI or by GUI?
[12:49:02] <Bytram_dewey> I should be able to locate the file easily enough... once I have the ssd mounted and accessible
[12:49:07] <Bytram_dewey> CLI, please
[12:49:56] <janrinok> OK, where do you want to mount it?
[12:50:13] <Bytram_dewey> can I mount the same 'device' multiple times? It appears that the ssd is already mounted?
[12:50:38] <janrinok> nope
[12:51:08] <janrinok> you can mount it once and then create symlinks all over the place to it so it 'appears' in various places though
[12:51:13] <Bytram_dewey> ope... not mounted? or can ony mount once?
[12:51:19] <Bytram_dewey> k
[12:51:58] <Bytram_dewey> so, looking at lsblk, it shows:
[12:51:59] <Bytram_dewey> └─sdb1 8:17 0 931.5G 0 part /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5
[12:52:22] <janrinok> yes that is showing you that there is a partition - but you haven't mounted it have you?
[12:53:06] <janrinok> if you think you have - cd /media/martyb/DEwhatever and then ls -la
[12:53:23] <Bytram_dewey> not on purpose, but ls /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5 shows files and dirs as expected.
[12:54:01] <janrinok> well then, it has automounted which is exactly what Ubuntu should do with it
[12:54:07] <Bytram_dewey> k
[12:54:26] <janrinok> Navigate to where you think the hexchat config files are stored and ls -la again
[12:54:59] <Bytram_dewey> that path: /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5 is most unwieldy
[12:55:11] <janrinok> we can shorten that later
[12:55:16] <Bytram_dewey> k
[12:55:42] <janrinok> but if you just type /media/martyb/DE and then press Tab it should finish it off fro you
[12:56:11] <Bytram_dewey> got it, tx
[12:58:05] <Bytram_dewey> not sure if it was set up on a per-user basis, or for the whole system
[12:58:15] <Bytram_dewey> may take some looking aroubn
[12:58:26] <janrinok> normally per user - not every user wants to log on to the same IRC sites
[12:59:00] <janrinok> let the computer do the work 'find . -name '*hexchat*''
[12:59:19] <janrinok> let the computer do the work - find . -name '*hexchat*'
[12:59:44] <Bytram_dewey> is gonna be slow over USB
[12:59:46] <janrinok> or HexChat I suppose for Windows
[12:59:59] <janrinok> faster than searching by hand
[13:00:11] <janrinok> unless you know where you are looking
[13:02:35] <Bytram_dewey> I kinda did... just getting exact spelling and captalization was the hallenget
[13:02:59] <Bytram_dewey> found it
[13:03:25] <janrinok> you love a hallenget though, don't you?
[13:03:25] <Bytram_dewey> martyb@E6410-001:/media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5/Users/bytram/Application Data/HexChat$ cat hexchat.conf
[13:03:28] <Bytram_dewey> so,,
[13:03:49] <janrinok> easy way - cd to that location
[13:04:09] <Bytram_dewey> so: /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5/Users/bytram/Application Data/HexChat/hexchat.conf
[13:04:19] <Bytram_dewey> k
[13:04:35] <janrinok> don't forget that once you type part of a path that is unique and then press tab it will complete it for you
[13:04:45] <Bytram_dewey> I'm at: /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5/Users/bytram/Application Data/HexChat/
[13:04:51] <Bytram_dewey> nod nod
[13:04:54] <janrinok> bingo
[13:05:25] <janrinok> now just to explain what the next bit means '~' is shorthand for your home directory in linux
[13:05:56] <janrinok> so cp hexchat.conf ~/hexchat.win.conf
[13:06:46] <janrinok> that will give you a copy of the conf file, uniquely named so you know where it came from in you home directory. So you will not be changing anything on the drive that you have mounted
[13:07:11] <Bytram_dewey> yes, I understand tilde
[13:07:39] <janrinok> then 'cd' should move you directly to your home directory where you should be able to see that file
[13:08:49] <Bytram_dewey> yes
[13:09:37] <janrinok> now you have a backup of a backup! it is a text file, so you can 'less hexchat.win.conf' to take a look at it and makesure it is what you expected
[13:09:48] <Bytram_dewey> already done!
[13:10:46] <janrinok> ok - now there is already a hexchat.conf in your ~/.config/hexchat directory - but you should rename that so that you can bring it back if something goes wrong.
[13:11:13] <Bytram_dewey> according to the docs: (https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings.html#config-files) I want to put it in: Unix: ~/.config/hexchat but want to check that first
[13:11:23] <Bytram_dewey> :D
[13:11:28] <janrinok> tradition is that you change to ~/.config/hexchat and then mv hexchat.con hexchat.conf.orig
[13:12:42] <janrinok> Make sure that hexchat is NOT RUNNING. and then cp ~/hexchat.win.conf ./hexchat.conf
[13:13:29] <Bytram_dewey> okaay, and thanks for that... I've done that, often, too. fwiw, I had long ago written a script that got the last modified date for a file and copied: cp -p foo.txt foo.20201018-091255.txt
[13:14:15] <janrinok> once you are happy that you have done that you should be able to restart Hexchat to applause and whistling
[13:15:04] <janrinok> if not let me know what you DO see
[13:16:26] <Bytram_dewey> files copied
[13:16:58] <janrinok> but you are still on IRC so is hexchat still running?
[13:17:11] <Bytram_dewey> never launched it here
[13:17:21] <janrinok> are you are using 2 computers
[13:17:28] <Bytram_dewey> yes
[13:17:37] <janrinok> ... and I was waiting to see it all go quiet
[13:17:44] <Bytram_dewey> in both cases I am using the web page interface
[13:17:58] <janrinok> wash your mouth out!
[13:18:06] <Bytram_dewey> IIRC I have to adjust fonts
[13:18:19] <Bytram_dewey> or... just try it and see what happens
[13:18:26] * Bytram_dewey crosses fingers
[13:18:32] <janrinok> you have to start it to change the fonts don't you
[13:19:20] <janrinok> or are you hand editing the conf file...?
[13:20:16] <Bytram_dewey> was considering the latter, but decided to just try it... looks god, but does npot seem to show SoylentNews in the Netword list
[13:20:57] <janrinok> well inspect the file that is in ~ hexchat.win.conf and see if you can see SN in there
[13:21:08] <Bytram_dewey> k
[13:21:43] <Bytram_dewey> nope
[13:22:01] <Bytram_dewey> martyb@E6410-001:~/.config/hexchat$ grep -i soy hexchat.conf irc_nick1 = martyb/Soylent irc_user_name = martyb/Soylent
[13:22:16] <janrinok> well it is doing exactly what you told it to do then
[13:22:28] <Bytram_dewey> how about that!
[13:22:53] <janrinok> tricky little buggers these computer thingies
[13:22:56] <Bytram_dewey> hmm
[13:23:14] <janrinok> is that the ONLY file that your search found on the backup drive?
[13:23:30] <Bytram_dewey> grepped znc and got no match
[13:24:09] <Bytram_dewey> there were earlier backups hexchat.yyyymmdd_hhnnss.conf
[13:24:13] <janrinok> well it sounds like the configuration on the windows machine is not what you thought it was
[13:24:54] <Bytram_dewey> well, yez and no, when I launched hexchat here, it did offer up the proper nicks
[13:25:01] <janrinok> copy all of the files that it finds to your ~ drive (say in ~/hexchat_found/) and look at each at your leisure
[13:25:44] <janrinok> hang about - the only thing that hexchat does differently with ZNC is log in to a different port
[13:25:56] <janrinok> the clever stuff is done on the ZNC server!
[13:26:18] <Bytram_dewey> do you know of a simple way to pop up the gui file manager using the current directory location?
[13:26:33] <janrinok> yes - ./caja
[13:26:35] <Bytram_dewey> k
[13:26:45] <janrinok> or caja .
[13:27:02] <janrinok> probably the latter
[13:27:19] <Bytram_dewey> yep, tx!
[13:27:46] * janrinok is going to tell sir that bytram used a GUI, bytram used a GUI!
[13:30:18] * Bytram_dewey whistles... best tool for the job at the time
[13:30:41] <janrinok> what have you discovered?
[13:30:56] <Bytram_dewey> nothing, yes, just got the files there
[13:33:12] <janrinok> the only thing that ZNC requires is that Hexchat joins to port 60000
[13:34:48] <janrinok> and your user name on IRC is usually bytram - not martyb. All your ZNC backups will be under the bytram username won't they?
[13:35:56] <janrinok> so I'm not sure that is the config file that you think you should be using
[13:36:10] <Bytram_dewey> interesting.... on win, I was runnin 2.14.3 and here it appears to be 2.14.1
[13:37:12] <janrinok> well you are using ubuntu 17.04 - we are now on Ubuntu 20.04 and mine is showing 2.14.3. You need to update your software in the future
[13:37:44] <janrinok> It was probably updated under windows, but 17.04 hasn't be updated because it is no longer supported
[13:38:25] <Bytram_dewey> uname -a shows: Linux E6410-001 5.3.0-40-generic #32~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 3 14:05:59 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:39:18] <janrinok> you might still get updates for it - but it will tell you to update to a more recent version. And if you are going to update - download the latest 20.04 iso (I think it is 20.04.1) otherwise you will have to update first to 18.04 and then to 20.04 which will hammer your download limit and take twice as long
[13:39:46] <Bytram_dewey> it would prolly take a "few minutes", but if v20.04 is current, I'm game for updating it now
[13:39:54] <janrinok> 18.04 is still updated
[13:40:04] <Bytram_dewey> I am on 18.04
[13:40:45] <janrinok> OK, decide if you want to change desktops at the same time, or just stick with MATE for the time being. It won't make any difference for CLI but we will see different things if you start using the GUI
[13:41:13] <Bytram_dewey> if I am on Mate, now, then let's keep it.
[13:41:47] <janrinok> OK, then first of all - REMOVE YOUR BACKUP DRIVE. Lets not do something silly and lose that too
[13:42:03] <Bytram_dewey> spoilsport!
[13:42:19] <Bytram_dewey> need to un-mount it first... gui?
[13:42:49] <Bytram_dewey> nah
[13:42:54] <Bytram_dewey> umount ?
[13:42:56] <janrinok> not really - we haven't written to it so if you just unplug it it should be ok
[13:43:21] <janrinok> but umount /media/martyb/DE tab will take care of it
[13:45:05] <Bytram_dewey> thot so, had a term window with that ssd as current dir; closed that term
[13:45:06] <janrinok> you will prolly need sudo
[13:45:11] <Bytram_dewey> k
[13:45:32] <janrinok> it depends when it automounted
[13:46:47] <Bytram_dewey> no error messages, so I exprect that means it was successful
[13:46:59] <janrinok> unplug it - it is valuable
[13:47:57] * Bytram_dewey just double-checked in caja, seems to have worked
[13:48:15] <Bytram_dewey> unplugged
[13:48:17] <janrinok> OK. just pause and read what I type
[13:48:25] <janrinok> there are 2 ways of doing this.
[13:49:15] <janrinok> The first is to download a new 20.04.1 iso and reinstall everything from scratch - this guarantees a seemless upgrade BUT looses all your current configuration.
[13:50:45] <janrinok> the second, is to do an upgrade in situ - which keeps all your current files, settings and configs so you lose no data, but doesn't allow you to use the same iso to subsequently upgrade other computers. It is all done online, and all you have is the latest software but nothing you can hold in your hand.
[13:51:02] <janrinok> loses - not looses
[13:52:11] <janrinok> I've never personally had an online update go wrong - but I have on rare occasion heard people complain about it. It is never clear cut whether it was finger trouble, a hardware fault or whatever.
[13:52:20] * Bytram_dewey thinks having the ISO would be a good idea, esp since I have mutliple lappies I mioght want to install it on
[13:52:23] <janrinok> now you have to decide
[13:53:19] <Bytram_dewey> just to be clear, this is updating the... kernel?
[13:53:34] <Bytram_dewey> no, wait, the distro
[13:53:35] <janrinok> OK - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:53:44] <Bytram_dewey> how big?
[13:54:15] <janrinok> it updates everything - 2.4 G
[13:54:40] <Bytram_dewey> oy!
[13:54:59] <Bytram_dewey> on a good day, I average about 500 KB/s
[13:55:16] <janrinok> I'd estimate about 1 hour or so for you then
[13:55:17] <Bytram_dewey> assuming it recognizes it's a d/l
[13:56:02] <janrinok> I average about 1 MB/s and it is usually about half-an-hour
[13:56:11] <Bytram_dewey> also, that's a big chunk off my cap...
[13:56:37] <janrinok> well, it doesn't matter which you do, you will still download about the same amount of software
[13:56:45] <Bytram_dewey> I have access to a place where I can use a cable connection, but getting there and back... makes it a moot point.
[13:57:03] <Bytram_dewey> they gotta make smaller bits!
[13:57:04] <janrinok> 20.04.1 is a certain size, no matter how you use the image that you download
[13:57:31] <Bytram_dewey> is there a standard place to store downloads?
[13:58:13] <janrinok> nope - I usually put it into my ~/Downloads and then make another copy elsewhere and burn to DVD/thumbdrive too of course
[13:59:17] <janrinok> alternatively, you can mull it over for a day or two, and we can continue trying to get hexchat working - copying the config once it is working is trivial of course
[13:59:20] <Bytram_dewey> that was what I was looking for (and just found) ~/Downloads
[14:00:32] <Bytram_dewey> that's an option, too. I plan to be at the 'cable access' place this pm, so that could change my thinking, too.
[14:00:46] <Bytram_dewey> time for a short break to digest things
[14:01:10] <Bytram_dewey> thanks fotr all the help!
[14:01:12] <Bytram_dewey> afk
[14:01:20] <janrinok> I've got about 1 hour before I have to prepare meals, and I will get interrupted by nurses between now and then
[14:01:30] <Bytram_dewey> k
[14:08:53] <Bytram_dewey> aha!
[14:09:01] <Bytram_dewey> Hewey!
[14:09:05] <janrinok> If you do download this pm, make sure that you select the MATE 20.04.01 from the link above for 64 bit
[14:09:35] <janrinok> ... the significance of which is...
[14:09:53] <janrinok> Hewey?
[14:10:33] * janrinok thinks that Bytram_dewey is smoking something....
[14:10:40] <Bytram_dewey> If I had know this was coming, I could have just pulled the windows (ssd) disk from Hewey, installed the new (blank) ssd in Huey, and installed 20.04 there (it's currently booted from a Ubuntu Live USB stick)
[14:11:18] <Bytram_dewey> s/Hewey/Huey/g
[14:11:19] <janrinok> I did hint at that when I asked 'are you installing this to your most powerful computer' yesterday
[14:12:12] <janrinok> but you still had to copy the hard drive to ensure that you could recover your valuable data
[14:12:27] <Bytram_dewey> which is what led me to doing the work on Dewey, Not Huey (Huey is the Core 2 Duo) (Dewey is an i5)
[14:13:39] <Bytram_dewey> ib Huey: pull windows SSD (that becomes my"copy"), install blank SSD, install on blank SSD on Huey
[14:13:48] <Bytram_dewey> On Huey: pull windows SSD (that becomes my"copy"), install blank SSD, install on blank SSD on Huey
[14:17:23] <janrinok> but now you have a non-working win disk and a copy of a non-working win disk?
[14:17:47] <Bytram_dewey> annnnd, I still have the SSD which was an (old) backup of Huey (windows)... hold on
[14:18:41] <janrinok> nurses
[14:23:52] <Bytram_dewey> timeordered: (1) loose (not installed anywhere) SSD with a months-old backup of windows (from Huey). (2) ssd currently installed on Huey (windows that BSODs) -- booted from USB stick onto Ubuntu 18.04.1 (3) SSD copy of Huey (from yesterday; again with copy of Windows that BSODs) currently mounted to external USB holder. (4) SSD installed in Dewey -- has Mate installed, 18.04.1
[14:29:23] <janrinok> nurses need to do some extra work - I'll be back on in a hour or three!
[14:29:36] <Bytram_dewey> k
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