#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-02
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[00:00:18] <stderr> Yeah, I saw that.
[00:00:22] <chromas> k
[00:00:50] <chromas> Not sure about some of the comment previews though or where it's getting the text
[00:01:19] <stderr> 4-5 lines after I asked if the bot was broken. :-)
[00:02:24] <stderr> But the bot should change the whitespace (\n) into another whitespace (" ").
[00:03:15] <chromas> well there's one that says Submitted as "Plain Old Text" which isn't in the comment (unless it was edited)
[00:04:08] <chromas> true
[00:10:16] <stderr> I'm still tired, which is weird cause I just slept for _two hours_! Isn't that enough?!
[00:10:23] * stderr goes back to bed...
[00:10:44] <chromas> night; I'll pipe errors to a file then
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[00:38:59] <Bytram|afk> !uid
[00:38:59] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4499, owned by GeorgeScuttles
[00:39:32] <Blackmoore> g'night all - and have a good weekend/holiday -I'm off to privateer in 1585.
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[00:41:20] <mrcoolbp> later Blackmoore, have fun in 1585
[00:43:30] <mrcoolbp> !uid
[00:43:31] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4500, owned by fourtyfivehundred
[00:47:10] <chromas> Someone's cheating
[00:47:46] <mrcoolbp> I couldn't resist...
[00:48:11] <paulej72> NCommander: uucp_batch.pl was keeping slashd from running. The task was not getting deleted from the task list when we switch branches that were deployed
[00:48:40] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I think he's afk
[00:49:00] <paulej72> yea I know, but he has scrollbacK :)
[00:49:07] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: good news though on incorporation, looks like we are in the final phase
[00:49:42] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: also I pushed some of those icons to mrcoolbp/slashcode
[00:50:41] <mrcoolbp> https://github.com
[00:50:42] <monopoly> └ 03slashcode/themes/default/htdocs/images/topics at Topic-Icons · mrcoolbp/slashcode · GitHub: The slashcode repository for SoylentNews. The initial code base was uploaded as it appeared on Sourceforge as of the last commit in September 2009
[00:51:46] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: not sure when we can look at that as we are trying to get utf8 working on dev and we have been deploying TMB’s branch almost exclusivly. It is harder to merge two branches on the server and deploy.
[00:52:20] <mrcoolbp> oh cool, let me know then, I know you guys are working furiously on that and I don't want to get in the way at all
[00:52:29] <mrcoolbp> paulej72 ^
[00:52:44] <mrcoolbp> I'm gonna grab some grub, bbl
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[01:21:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Escobar's Hippos Still Thriving in Colombia - http://sylnt.us - biding-their-time
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[01:41:10] * SpallsHurgenson looks for something interesting to download
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[01:52:16] <_NSAKEY> SpallsHurgenson: You could always try the ATF's FFL listings.
[01:52:35] <_NSAKEY> I got inspired to look for it based on a comment in the story about guns vs libraries and museums.
[01:52:42] <_NSAKEY> https://www.atf.gov
[01:52:44] <monopoly> └ 03Listing of Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) - 2014 | ATF
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[03:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i've got plenty to do on the vm if you wanna switch dev back to master for a while.
[03:45:30] <NCommander> paulej72, damn it, I want that task to only run it when I want to
[03:45:32] <NCommander> argh
[03:45:40] <NCommander> I love breaking crap :-/
[03:46:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, i know. it's fun. i broke dev for like 15m today.
[03:47:36] <paulej72> NCommander: I think it does not like the blank time info.
[03:48:51] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah. ugh
[03:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, out for the evening. got some divinity: original sin to check out.
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[04:01:30] <NCommander> O_o;
[04:01:31] <NCommander> ok
[04:13:09] <SpallsHurgenson> ach, my dinner was waaaay to salty. I seriously am worried I might have a stroke :-/
[04:13:51] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, Stop, Drop, Dial 911
[04:13:57] * NCommander just came back from seeing TF4
[04:14:16] <SpallsHurgenson> if anyone needs medical assistance then, it's you Ncommander :)
[04:14:37] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, actually, I've enjoyed all the Bayformers, despite the flaws
[04:14:44] <NCommander> Its everything I want in an action movie ...
[04:15:28] <chromas> Except for nudity
[04:15:30] <SpallsHurgenson> bland characters? an over-reliance on explosions? battle sequences where you can't really tell what's going on?
[04:16:30] <chromas> That's how most action sequences are now, thanks to shaky, constantly zooming and cutting camera action
[04:18:07] <chromas> NCommander: which was longer: tf4 or the walk after your bicycle chain broke?
[04:18:20] <NCommander> No idea
[04:21:40] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, something I can switch my brain off and enjoy
[04:28:43] <SpallsHurgenson> no problem with that for an action flick... I just don't get any enjoyment from bay-movies.
[04:50:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Talking to Young Children helps their Language Development - http://sylnt.us - practice-makes-perfect
[04:53:13] <chromas> From the honestly-officer-i-was-just-trying-to-learn-'em-how-to-talk-better dept
[05:11:43] <NCommander> Ugh
[05:11:56] * NCommander pulls the emergency pain pills out of his bag
[05:13:08] <SpallsHurgenson> uh-oh, his brain is switching back on before he was fully able to supress the memory of the movie!
[05:15:48] * SpallsHurgenson attempts to knock out NCommander with a large mallet to the head
[05:17:42] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, no, just pain in my legs
[05:17:51] * NCommander has to go to Fred Meyers in a bit to pick some shit up
[05:22:02] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: honestly, he was just using the movie to push slash out of his memory
[05:25:48] <SpallsHurgenson> slash may be out of his head, but it will never be out of his heart. :)
[05:28:30] <chromas> He should write stories about it
[05:28:33] <chromas> slash fiction
[05:28:36] * chromas herps
[05:29:03] <SpallsHurgenson> "And then Slashcode and UTF8 fell in love and lived happily ever after!"
[05:29:46] <chromas> That doesn't sound at all reasistic
[05:29:47] <chromas> :D
[05:29:51] <chromas> Or Realistik
[05:30:38] <NCommander> chromas, its getting truther by the day, just ask TMB
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[06:11:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Seizes 22 No-IP Domains - Knocks Millions of Legit Users Offline - http://sylnt.us - no-ip-doesn't-mean-what-you-throught-it-did
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[07:14:27] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:14:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 313
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[08:09:58] <crutchy> s/coffee/timtams/
[08:09:59] <SedBot> <crutchy> timtams++
[08:13:05] <chromas> s/(t)(s)/\ch\charoo/
[08:13:10] <chromas> aw
[08:19:15] <arti> crutchy++
[08:19:15] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 71
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[08:35:11] <chromas> I think he ate too many tim tams and overflowed
[08:37:24] <ar> coffee--
[08:37:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 312
[08:44:14] <arti> ar must be doing it wrong :P
[08:45:16] <ar> https://github.com
[08:45:18] <monopoly> └ 03gcc/gcc/reload.c at 7057506456ba18f080679b2fe55ec56ee90fd81c · mirrors/gcc · GitHub: Contribute to gcc development by creating an account on GitHub.
[08:45:22] <ar> arti: no, coffee is just bad
[09:00:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google and Detroit Diverge on Road Map for Self-Driving Cars - http://sylnt.us - Delta-City
[09:02:10] <crutchy> Bender: s/Driving/Crashing/
[09:02:10] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google and Detroit Diverge on Road Map for Self-Crashing Cars - http://sylnt.us - Delta-City
[09:03:11] <crutchy> sedbot: s/Delta-City/alcohol-no-longer-required/
[09:03:11] <SedBot> <crutchy> <sedbot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google and Detroit Diverge on Road Map for Self-Crashing Cars - http://sylnt.us - alcohol-no-longer-required
[09:04:43] <chromas> SedBot: s/Diverge on /Converge Off-/
[09:04:44] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <sedbot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google and Detroit Converge Off-Road Map for Self-Crashing Cars - http://sylnt.us - alcohol-no-longer-required
[09:05:48] <crutchy> is detroit still on the road map?
[09:05:54] <crutchy> does it still have roads?
[09:06:31] <chromas> Just streets
[09:06:35] <chromas> and hoods
[09:08:39] <chromas> Just like Postal
[09:08:53] <crutchy> postal?
[09:09:09] <chromas> it's an old game
[09:09:38] * crutchy has sim city 4 open atm :0P
[09:09:39] <chromas> the newer ones are 3d fps but the first was top-down ortho
[09:10:01] <crutchy> aww like original starcraft
[09:10:06] <crutchy> starcraft++
[09:10:06] <Bender> karma - starcraft: 1
[09:10:50] <crutchy> blizzard_going_full_retard--
[09:10:51] <Bender> karma - blizzard_going_full_retard: -1
[09:10:56] <chromas> http://cf.shacknews.com
[09:11:00] <chromas> I guess it was kind of 3d
[09:11:34] * crutchy pokes monopoly
[09:11:46] <chromas> it's a picture
[09:12:31] <chromas> hey now that it's a new month, it's time to race to hit your cap again :D
[09:13:45] <crutchy> 50Gb should be enough for anybody
[09:14:12] <crutchy> s/0G/12k/
[09:14:12] <SedBot> <crutchy> 512kb should be enough for anybody
[09:14:34] <chromas> Hey now what's wrong with Blizzard? They had games people liked Like StarCraft and Diablo 2. Then, after most of the Diablo people left, they said "Hey, we don't like how people are playing D2; it's not fun" and then set out to make D3 in a way that people couldn't play it like before
[09:15:14] <chromas> 50GB would be alright if it weren't for video and distro seeding
[09:15:22] <chromas> s/distro/pr0n/
[09:15:22] <SedBot> <chromas> 50GB would be alright if it weren't for video and pr0n seeding
[09:15:56] * crutchy never played any diablos. missus likes it though
[09:16:04] <chromas> Lots of clicking
[09:16:11] <chromas> well unless you play it on the consoles
[09:16:34] * crutchy prefers wet and ready medics and lesbian gas
[09:16:42] <chromas> And you should; the tv ad told me explicitly that if I buy D3 for console then I will have attractive women playing with me in their panties
[09:17:45] <crutchy> are the as hot as the tabletop dancing honeys in duke nukem?
[09:17:56] <crutchy> s/the/they/
[09:17:56] <SedBot> <crutchy> are they as hot as the tabletop dancing honeys in duke nukem?
[09:18:18] <chromas> They're higher resolution, at least
[09:18:44] <chromas> and hey, how about those minerals, eh? That should get the missus playing SC2
[09:19:15] <chromas> "Don't touch me! You require more minerals!"
[09:20:10] <crutchy> i was about the buy sc2 on the weekend
[09:20:37] <chromas> it also has alot of mini games
[09:20:42] * crutchy chops off fingers because his teeth can probably do a better job
[09:21:01] <chromas> no, she wants your fingers
[09:21:07] <chromas> only teeth lightly
[09:21:27] * crutchy hands them to missus
[09:33:20] <ar> chromas: they're gradually fixing D3
[09:33:39] <ar> chromas: for example, they removed RMAH recently
[09:34:03] <chromas> There were a lot if monsters that worked like Soylent mod points
[09:34:54] <chromas> Kill a few, then more start crawling out of the ground of walls as I'm leaving
[09:35:25] <chromas> This keyboard really hates the word "or"
[09:36:35] <chromas> Been quite a while since I played last though
[09:39:25] <NCommander> I couldn't justify buying SC2 or D3 due to the DRM
[09:39:26] <chromas> They also both work great in wine
[09:40:40] <chromas> Speaking of drm, I don't know anybody who could install from the discs
[09:41:58] <crutchy> i stopped at broodwar
[09:42:20] <crutchy> it is the peak of rts awesomeness :-)
[09:45:50] <chromas> D2 would probably be great on touch screens.
[09:46:48] <chromas> But now it would be Torchlight and Path of Exile
[09:48:06] <chromas> I'd like to know how anybody could play sc on the n64
[09:48:30] <ar> chromas: i installed from the discs, both sc2 and d3
[09:48:55] <ar> chromas: but then it downloaded loads of updates anyway
[09:49:15] <chromas> I couldn't. The installer would tell me to insert the disc is was running from
[09:49:30] <chromas> Even on windows
[09:50:49] <ar> welp
[09:51:25] <ar> no problems here, and i bought both the d3 and sc2 at midnight launch
[09:51:45] * arti became distracted
[09:51:46] <ar> so no chance of getting "newer" discs
[09:52:08] <arti> well, to determine if it's really ar, we'll do the coffee test
[09:52:18] <arti> do you like coffeescript?
[09:52:20] <ar> coffee--
[09:52:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 311
[09:52:23] <arti> how about java
[09:52:28] <ar> ew
[09:52:39] <arti> :)
[09:53:29] <chromas> Milksteak++
[09:53:29] <Bender> karma - milksteak: 1
[09:53:34] <arti> :X
[09:54:06] <arti> http://bash.org
[09:54:06] <monopoly> └ 03QDB: Quote #342139
[09:55:57] <chromas> FluorescentGerbil? As in Subsentient?
[09:57:46] <arti> or richard gere
[09:59:23] <crutchy> he kinda looks like a gerbil... a wrinkly one with grey hair
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[09:59:57] <arti> his middle name is tiffany
[10:00:40] <crutchy> dick tiffany eh?
[10:02:44] <arti> lol
[10:02:54] <arti> that's MISTER dick tiffany
[10:04:34] <crutchy> not that there's anything wrong with that
[10:05:17] <arti> nah, especially if he's hard on you.
[10:05:24] <arti> :>
[10:08:33] <crutchy> arti: s/you/gerebils/
[10:08:42] <crutchy> ahh crap!
[10:10:00] <crutchy> ever heard of 'the regular show'?
[10:10:49] <crutchy> you know who else is going to mow your lawn? ... MY MOM!!
[10:11:37] <crutchy> how many bongs to you have to choof at once to come up with that kinda crap?
[10:11:38] <chromas> Well I already mowed hers
[10:11:46] <arti> :|
[10:11:51] <arti> the regular show
[10:11:55] <arti> is it full of regulars?
[10:12:18] <chromas> Regular expressions
[10:12:28] <crutchy> ~define the regular show
[10:12:32] <exec> [wolframalpha] 3the regular show: 1 | adjective | in accordance with fixed order or procedure or principle\n2 | adjective | often used as intensifiers\n3 | adjective | conforming to a standard or pattern\n4 | adjective | regularly sch...
[10:12:45] <crutchy> wtf
[10:13:45] <chromas> ~define regular show
[10:13:50] <exec> [wolframalpha] 3regular show: 1 | adjective | in accordance with fixed order or procedure or principle\n2 | adjective | often used as intensifiers\n3 | adjective | conforming to a standard or pattern\n4 | adjective | regularly sch...
[10:14:00] <chromas> Hmm
[10:14:23] <chromas> Regularly scheduled programming?
[10:15:02] <crutchy> it returned the right content, but the page says its for 'regular'.... stoopid bot
[10:15:41] <chromas> Does it scrape for title or use what you ask for?
[10:15:48] <crutchy> nfi
[10:15:50] <crutchy> :-P
[10:15:59] <arti> "i just send it, it replies"
[10:16:23] <chromas> ~define v&
[10:16:26] <crutchy> i just press the any key
[10:16:29] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3V&: V& (v): to be hauled off by the Party Van
[10:16:31] <arti> lel
[10:16:45] <crutchy> ~define VB
[10:16:51] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3VB: VB - A rather horrid beer favoured by the proletariat and Northern Territorians. Still remarkably better than the weak swill that Americans call beer. Also known as green death and Vaginal Backwash
[10:17:00] <crutchy> pffft
[10:17:23] <crutchy> the V stands for Victoria douchebag website
[10:17:46] <crutchy> hmm
[10:17:49] <crutchy> ~define proletariat
[10:17:54] <exec> [wolframalpha] 3proletariat: noun | a social class comprising those who do manual labor or work for wages
[10:18:21] <crutchy> ah that makes sense. NT is full of dole bludgers that don't work
[10:18:49] <chromas> Windows northern territory
[10:19:28] <crutchy> it should be illegal for urbandictionary to use big words
[10:20:25] <chromas> The proletariat can't spell "proletariat"
[10:21:03] <chromas> ~define bourgeois
[10:21:08] <exec> [wolframalpha] 3bourgeois: 1 | adjective | (according to Marxist thought) being of the property-owning class and exploitive of the working class\n2 | adjective | conforming to the standards and conventions of the middle class\n...
[10:21:49] <crutchy> ~define burgersois
[10:21:57] <exec> burgersois: unable to find definition
[10:22:28] <chromas> ~define burgerosisitis
[10:22:36] <exec> burgerosisitis: unable to find definition
[10:22:45] <chromas> Or burgeriasis
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[11:02:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Emoji-only Network to Launch - http://sylnt.us - 8-P
[11:04:52] <chromas> Most twitter and facebook posts could be reduced to 💩
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[12:13:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:13:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 312
[12:13:44] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:13:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 313
[12:15:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuckin hell, coffee needs to get off its ass and work today
[12:16:35] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[12:16:36] <exec> [Google] 5:16am Wednesday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
[12:17:11] <crutchy> what time do you start work TMB?
[12:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> whenever the coffee kicks in
[12:17:35] <crutchy> ahh
[12:17:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i generally get up between 5 n 6 though
[12:18:03] <crutchy> like clockwork. i dunno how you do it
[12:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> helps that i don't sleep worth a damn
[12:23:43] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: s/i don't/I don't/
[12:23:43] <SedBot> <Subsentient> <TheMightyBuzzard> helps that I don't sleep worth a damn
[12:23:58] * Subsentient gains 10 grammar nazi points
[12:26:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/(.)(.)/uc($1)lc($2)/ge
[12:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> fail to you, sedbot. that were valid, though perl.
[12:27:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it had boobs
[12:27:50] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: s/oo/ew/
[12:27:50] <SedBot> <crutchy> <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it had bewbs
[12:30:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh. this gonna be a rough mornin. not wanting to wake up and allergies going nuts to boot.
[12:32:37] <crutchy> dunno what you have there but i take a telfast pill most mornings
[12:33:16] <crutchy> works pretty quick
[12:36:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> benadryl and claritin both most mornings
[12:40:58] <crutchy> we have claratyne which is prolly similar
[12:41:26] * JamesNZ gives Subsentient a gold star
[12:42:31] <crutchy> except tmb's sentence fell over cos he forgot to hold it up with a full stop.
[12:43:43] <chromas> Subsentient: s/ n/ N/
[12:43:44] <SedBot> <chromas> <Subsentient> gains 10 grammar Nazi points
[12:44:06] <Subsentient> chromas: Not sure that's a correct correction.
[12:44:10] <chromas> (but not the g or p)
[12:44:33] <crutchy> /correct Subsentient
[12:44:39] <crutchy> hmm
[12:44:41] <crutchy> .
[12:44:53] <chromas> Not sure? Doesn't sound so Nazastic to me
[12:45:15] <crutchy> need to adapt the mackey script to correct sentences methinkso
[12:45:30] <crutchy> the o at the end was a big full stop :-P
[12:45:37] <crutchy> o
[12:46:21] <chromas> You mean like shove it through a grammar checker?
[12:46:50] <crutchy> it had sentence manipulationy thingys
[12:47:56] <chromas> Oh yeah
[12:48:54] <chromas> That would be more useful than what it does now :D
[12:55:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i am not gonna get a fucking thing productive done today. burny eyeballs are too distracting.
[12:58:44] <crutchy> there's always pr0n
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[12:59:08] <crutchy> hi KonomiNetbook
[12:59:25] <chromas> crutchy: audiopr0n?
[12:59:42] <Konomi> hi ;p
[13:00:13] <crutchy> nah. videopr0n killed the audiopr0nstar
[13:01:28] <chromas> But his eyes
[13:01:59] <crutchy> i'm guessing they would make a miraculous recovery :-P
[13:02:11] <chromas> He might accidentally click a goatse
[13:02:27] <crutchy> ah crap. forgot to rsync
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[13:11:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Best Practice Document Management? - http://sylnt.us - Circular-File
[13:13:50] <chromas> Memory hole
[13:14:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> found two separate things that'd cause html entities to be decoded to characters and neither of them is the cause of it happening.
[13:15:43] <crutchy> maybe there's a circular file in slash
[13:16:05] <crutchy> or two circular files sitting together
[13:16:09] <crutchy> 00
[13:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no i mean to separate subs but neither of them is used
[13:18:34] <crutchy> the two subs are trying to eat each other
[13:18:48] <crutchy> lesbian subs
[13:20:15] <chromas> Scissor me timbers
[13:27:35] <Popeidol> you have my attention
[13:30:01] <crutchy> arrrgh!
[13:30:26] <crutchy> 'ere be lesbian pirate subs
[13:30:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, someone drank my coffee. i don't care if it was me; i'm still pissed off.
[13:31:06] <crutchy> there's always a hole in the cup
[13:31:22] <crutchy> and for a moment gravity reverses
[13:33:48] <chromas> It was ar. He decremented your coffee while you weren't looking :)
[13:35:23] <chromas> blame++
[13:35:23] <Bender> karma - blame: 1
[13:35:50] <Konomi> god winter is getting cold here
[13:36:08] <Konomi> I'm starting to consider crawling arounbd on my hands and knees looking for any possible gap I can fill to not let the cold in
[13:36:59] <crutchy> you in melbourne yeah
[13:37:10] <crutchy> pretty cold here in the valley too
[13:38:07] <Konomi> nah same state though
[13:38:32] * chromas tries to shove some excess summer heat into the intertubez
[13:40:33] * crutchy is worried konomi might be hiding outside his window 0.o
[13:40:49] <Konomi> +.+
[13:41:14] * crutchy puts underpants on
[13:41:53] <chromas> !grab crutchy
[13:41:53] <Bender> Added quote 194
[13:42:04] <chromas> Oh wait
[13:42:19] <chromas> !quote -1
[13:42:19] <Bender> Quote -1 - <crutchy> pretty cold here in the valley too
[13:42:37] <crutchy> saved
[13:42:44] <crutchy> by the action :-P
[13:45:57] <Konomi> /me is Bender's weakness
[13:46:46] <chromas> Because it steals his beer
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[13:57:59] <crutchy> honeycomb_and_butterscotch_icecream++
[13:57:59] <Bender> karma - honeycomb_and_butterscotch_icecream: 1
[13:58:25] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[13:58:29] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-02 11:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1 hrs ago:
[13:58:30] <exec> temperature = 50°F (10°C) dewpoint = 43.7°F (6.5°C)
[13:58:30] <exec> barometric pressure = 1026.4 mb ~ change of 0.3 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 78%
[13:58:30] <exec> wind speed = 9 mph (14.4 km/h) wind direction = 300°
[13:58:42] <crutchy> toasty
[13:59:54] <chromas> What happened to winter?
[14:06:24] <crutchy> it got eaten by the subs
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[14:21:05] <chromas> Mmm...sandwich action
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[14:34:23] * TheMightyBuzzard headdesks
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[14:35:28] <chromas> Did you put regex in your coffee?
[14:35:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> everything is going through properly on our end. palemoon's view source was was doing the entity decoding.
[14:35:51] <chromas> Well that's dumb
[14:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> and damned frustrating
[14:36:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> switched to gvim for viewing source and everything magically started working
[14:40:09] <chromas> Who knew using the html render engine to display html source would cause issues?
[14:40:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Solving Logic Puzzles in Fortran - http://sylnt.us - Which-Door-would-He-Suggest?
[14:40:48] * chromas remembers when nutscrape would show blinkentext in the source viewer
[14:42:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima kick bytram. pretty sure he pasted bad data in that one entities test.
[14:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> had me chasing the issue for quite a while
[14:43:54] <chromas> Hey I wonder if palemoon is hiding something from me too. One of those posts you guys linked to has text that's not there when I view source
[14:45:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ??
[14:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatchoo talkin bout, willis?
[14:46:13] <chromas> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:46:14] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Submitted as "Plain Old Text"
[14:46:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas the one i'm talking about
[14:46:45] <chromas> I don't see "Submitted" anywhere in the source
[14:46:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> he pasted it poorly or something
[14:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not on the page either
[14:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> the word submitted is nowhere on the page, case ignored.
[14:48:12] <chromas> Weird. I wonder how it's getting into the bot
[14:51:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> bot must be slurping up the wrong comment
[14:52:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, bot isn't using anything after the & in that url. with just sid bot is correct.
[14:53:41] <chromas> Ah so another bug in my url extractor.
[14:54:37] <chromas> Good thing I'm not a real programmer. Didn't even think to check that. Thanks :)
[14:56:31] <chromas> Perhaps it's time to try regex...nah
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[15:05:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[15:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, what's the regex you have now for extracting urls?
[15:06:04] <chromas> None
[15:07:24] <chromas> I scan for .s then look both ways for spaces or other invalid characters then do some other checks. You know, the hard way
[15:08:09] <chromas> Plus . Doesn't account for ipv6 but i don't have that here
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[15:16:53] <chromas> If you want to go blind: http://paste.ofcode.org
[15:16:54] <monopoly> └ 03Paste ofCode
[15:17:26] <Bytram> hi all!
[15:17:42] <chromas> Hey Bytram
[15:17:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: here's something I think we need to watch for in URLs: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:17:51] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Submitted as "Plain Old Text"
[15:17:57] <Bytram> chromas: how's things?
[15:18:19] <chromas> Buggy :D
[15:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, found out there was nothing wrong with http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:18:54] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Submitted as "Plain Old Text"
[15:19:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> there was something wrong with how it was pasted
[15:19:23] <chromas> And palemoon
[15:19:24] * Bytram searches cupboards for a can of Raid for chromas
[15:19:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and palemoon as well, yep
[15:19:32] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: really? on my way
[15:20:33] <Bytram> that's strange! To my recollection, I pasted the data in the same way I've done it before. :/
[15:21:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be the prollem
[15:21:05] <Bytram> yet, I'm glad it's not a coding problem on your end!
[15:21:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> where's what you're pasting from?
[15:21:43] <chromas> Did you use shift-insert instead of ctrl-v? :)
[15:21:54] <Bytram> pm me with your addy and I'll send u a cop
[15:21:58] <Bytram> s/cop/copy
[15:21:58] * SedBot tosses a / to Batram
[15:22:02] <Bytram> s/cop/copy/
[15:22:03] <SedBot> <Butrom> pm me with your addy and I'll send u a copy
[15:22:32] <chromas> SedBot: s/t/tt/
[15:22:32] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <Buttrom> pm me with your addy and I'll send u a copy
[15:22:52] <chromas> Should've changed the o too
[15:23:20] <chromas> Because rom is slow, so they say
[15:30:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: it's on its way!
[15:31:55] <paulej72> good morining all
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[15:32:25] <Bytram> paulej72: hey there! how's things?
[15:32:34] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i think Firefox does the same as Palemoon with entities
[15:33:02] <paulej72> Bytram: busy with real work today. I have been slacking a bit latley :(
[15:33:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, tis evil and confusing but we appear to still have the issue.
[15:33:20] <Bytram> I'd expect so, but I've been using FF all along!
[15:33:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I got a bounce on the email, but it also looked like it worked... did you get it?
[15:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, no but i found an old copy you sent me
[15:34:13] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:38:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> aright, have an idea where it is since code and extrans do not interpret it.
[15:38:40] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:38:40] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 19
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[15:52:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> found it. bit of code that should only happen in utf8=0 wasn't set to.
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[15:57:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> fixed on vm
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[16:00:56] <Bytram> !woop
[16:00:56] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[16:05:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna do my one n only deploy on dev for the day
[16:07:01] <Bytram> k
[16:07:36] <Bytram> btw, apparently, something else needs a "kick" after you do that so that the main page's comment counts get updated. Wish I knew what it was, tho. :/
[16:09:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> slashd
[16:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:09:33] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Submitted as "Plain Old Text"
[16:09:44] <Bytram> just a minute
[16:10:15] <paulej72> Bytram: I fixed that last night. It was NCommander and his Usenet stuff that was breaking slashd
[16:10:32] <Bytram> paulej72: Oh, wonderful! thanks!
[16:10:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Admits its Chinese Factories are Still Unsafe - http://sylnt.us - no-incentive-to-change
[16:10:58] * Bytram *gently* whacks the aching ncommander
[16:11:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> couple other slashd tasks failing regularly. i set myself to get mail when they did and got an assload over night
[16:11:38] <paulej72> He wrote a task that had no time information (so it would not run), but this broke the slashd system. It should be fixed just to ignore these cases.
[16:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> process_file_queue and accesslog_artcom
[16:12:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm a little befuddled about something atm and could use a clue bat on UTF-8
[16:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, shoot
[16:13:02] <Bytram> last entry in the link you posted; euro sign is U+20AC
[16:13:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and?
[16:13:29] <Bytram> so there is one byte that contains 0x20 and the next byte contains oxac, right?
[16:13:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> in hex, yep
[16:13:53] <Bytram> so why is the ox20 not interpretted as a space?
[16:14:07] <Bytram> s/ox/0x/
[16:14:07] <SedBot> <Bytram> so why is the 0x20 not interpretted as a space?
[16:15:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you'd have to look at the underlying libraries to see how they correctly process that.
[16:17:09] <Bytram> I understand that is related to the selection of character encoding and all that, but when I picture the stream of bytes that are getting fed to the browser, brain 'splodes
[16:17:14] <Bytram> =)
[16:18:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i read how the other day but it wasn't something i wanted or needed to know, so i promptly forgot. think they waste an extra byte and put a fe or ef at the start of a unicode character.
[16:18:54] <Bytram> that sounds like a BOM (Byte Order Marker) which is deprecated in most cases... but
[16:19:06] <Bytram> you gave me the clue that I thhink I needed
[16:19:46] <Bytram> as long as the "renderer" *knows* that it's a stream of unicode characters coming at it, say frfom the chanracter encoding, it performs a "greedy" processing of bytes
[16:20:32] <Bytram> so, the 0x20 *could* be part of a multi-byte Unicode char and it keeps eating bytes until they're no longer "valid" as part of a character encoding?
[16:21:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> unicode means many things
[16:22:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if you look at the dump you pasted at http://dev.soylentnews.org you'll see the byte e2 starting every unicode character
[16:22:38] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Submitted as "Plain Old Text"
[16:22:52] <Bytram> yep. utf-8 = Unicode Transport Format ... huh?
[16:23:06] <Bytram> bb
[16:23:09] <Bytram> brb
[16:25:33] <Bytram> Huh!!!!!
[16:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> utf8 only adds the e2 byte for above ascii range characters though i think.
[16:25:50] * Bytram ponders a bit
[16:26:02] <Bytram> ooohhhh....
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[16:29:19] <Bytram> hmmm, I see that, as you pointed out, but that means that one could not use the ASCII char "" by itself... still that's a very handy piece of information!
[16:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> you could but it would bugger things up
[16:29:57] * Bytram ponders more
[16:30:06] <Bytram> =)
[16:30:18] <Bytram> afk backin 5 minutes or so
[16:32:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> â gets converted to c3a2 with no e2 mark in front of it. and i don't know why that doesn't read as â.
[16:36:09] <Bytram> ahhhhhh!
[16:36:52] <Bytram> utf = unicode transfer/transport protocol ... it *encodes* the unicode character!
[16:39:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I've got it... prepare for a wall-o-text...
[16:39:57] <Bytram> 07/02/2014 10:38:29 U:\>hexdump utf8_sequence_0-0xfff_including-unassigned_including-unprintable-asis_unseparated.txt | head -40
[16:39:58] <Bytram> 000000 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0a 0b 0c 0d 0e 0f >........ . ......<
[16:39:58] <Bytram> 000010 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f >........ ........<
[16:39:58] <Bytram> 000020 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f > !"#$%&' ()*+,-./<
[16:39:58] <Bytram> 000030 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f >01234567 89:;<=>?<
[16:39:59] <Bytram> 000040 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 4a 4b 4c 4d 4e 4f >@ABCDEFG HIJKLMNO<
[16:40:01] <Bytram> 000050 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 5a 5b 5c 5d 5e 5f >PQRSTUVW XYZ[\]^_<
[16:40:03] <Bytram> 000060 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 6a 6b 6c 6d 6e 6f >`abcdefg hijklmno<
[16:40:05] <Bytram> 000070 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 7a 7b 7c 7d 7e 7f >pqrstuvw xyz{|}~.<
[16:40:07] <Bytram> 000080 c2 80 c2 81 c2 82 c2 83 c2 84 c2 85 c2 86 c2 87 >┬.┬.┬é┬â ┬ä┬à┬å┬ç<
[16:40:10] <Bytram> 000090 c2 88 c2 89 c2 8a c2 8b c2 8c c2 8d c2 8e c2 8f >┬.┬ë┬è┬ï ┬î┬.┬Ä┬.<
[16:40:11] <Bytram> 0000a0 c2 90 c2 91 c2 92 c2 93 c2 94 c2 95 c2 96 c2 97 >┬.┬æ┬Æ┬ô ┬ö┬ò┬û┬ù<
[16:40:13] <Bytram> 0000b0 c2 98 c2 99 c2 9a c2 9b c2 9c c2 9d c2 9e c2 9f >┬.┬.┬Ü┬¢ ┬£┬.┬₧┬ƒ<
[16:40:15] <Bytram> 0000c0 c2 a0 c2 a1 c2 a2 c2 a3 c2 a4 c2 a5 c2 a6 c2 a7 > ¡¢£ ¤¥¦§<
[16:40:17] <Bytram> 0000d0 c2 a8 c2 a9 c2 aa c2 ab c2 ac c2 ad c2 ae c2 af >¨©ª« ¬­®¯<
[16:40:19] <Bytram> 0000e0 c2 b0 c2 b1 c2 b2 c2 b3 c2 b4 c2 b5 c2 b6 c2 b7 >┬░┬▒┬▓┬│ ┬┤┬╡┬╢┬╖<
[16:40:24] <Bytram> 0000f0 c2 b8 c2 b9 c2 ba c2 bb c2 bc c2 bd c2 be c2 bf >┬╕┬╣┬║┬╗ ┬╝┬╜┬╛┬┐<
[16:40:27] <Bytram> 000100 c3 80 c3 81 c3 82 c3 83 c3 84 c3 85 c3 86 c3 87 >├.├.├é├â ├ä├à├å├ç<
[16:40:29] <Bytram> 000110 c3 88 c3 89 c3 8a c3 8b c3 8c c3 8d c3 8e c3 8f >├.├ë├è├ï ├î├.├Ä├.<
[16:40:31] <Bytram> 000120 c3 90 c3 91 c3 92 c3 93 c3 94 c3 95 c3 96 c3 97 >├.├æ├Æ├ô ├ö├ò├û├ù<
[16:40:33] <Bytram> 000130 c3 98 c3 99 c3 9a c3 9b c3 9c c3 9d c3 9e c3 9f >├.├.├Ü├¢ ├£├.├₧├ƒ<
[16:40:35] <Bytram> 000140 c3 a0 c3 a1 c3 a2 c3 a3 c3 a4 c3 a5 c3 a6 c3 a7 >àáâã äåæç<
[16:40:37] <Bytram> 000150 c3 a8 c3 a9 c3 aa c3 ab c3 ac c3 ad c3 ae c3 af >èéêë ìíîï<
[16:40:39] <Bytram> 000160 c3 b0 c3 b1 c3 b2 c3 b3 c3 b4 c3 b5 c3 b6 c3 b7 >├░├▒├▓├│ ├┤├╡├╢├╖<
[16:40:42] <Bytram> 000170 c3 b8 c3 b9 c3 ba c3 bb c3 bc c3 bd c3 be c3 bf >├╕├╣├║├╗ ├╝├╜├╛├┐<
[16:40:45] <Bytram> 000180 c4 80 c4 81 c4 82 c4 83 c4 84 c4 85 c4 86 c4 87 >─.─.─é─â ─ä─à─å─ç<
[16:40:47] <Bytram> 000190 c4 88 c4 89 c4 8a c4 8b c4 8c c4 8d c4 8e c4 8f >─.─ë─è─ï ─î─.─Ä─.<
[16:40:49] <Bytram> offset 80 starts with "c2", offset 100 starts with "c3", offset 180 starts with "c4", etc. !!!!
[16:40:53] <Bytram> it's the encoding, doh!
[16:41:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i expected something like that but it's not especially relevant to anything i'm doing.
[16:42:14] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:42:31] <Bytram> the perl encode/decode (?) functions take care of it foryou.
[16:44:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> when we actually use them, which is almost never.
[16:45:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl is very much unicode aware and most of its functions handle long unicode characters as a single character now.
[16:45:13] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:45:50] <Bytram> instead of trying to hack unicode onto ASCII only behavior, it just "naturally" does utf-8 out-of-the-box.
[16:46:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> every now and then you just have to tell it "this is bloody unicode" because it's not sure or somehow became unset.
[16:49:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> as for that malformed unicode test you did the other day, i'm perfectly fine with it saying " The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request."
[16:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl does fine with valid unicode and absolutely will not go with malformed unicode.
[16:50:49] <Bytram> yeah, that one, IIRC, contained *invalid* unicode characters... would be better if we trapped it, ourselves, but I understand where you're coming from.
[16:51:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we can't trap it. you can't use invalid unicode in perl, even to match invalid unicode to trap it.
[16:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis no possible.
[16:51:44] <Bytram> O'rly? LOL!
[16:52:26] <Bytram> "tis no possible"? methinks we need more dilithium crystals!
[16:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i spose we could but we'd have to manually convert it to bytes and have a complete understanding of unicode.
[16:53:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> which i neither have nor want.
[16:54:36] <Bytram> methinks we'd not be the first to encounter this challenge? I'd think there's someone who's encountered this before and has a scanning function of some sort, no?
[16:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> completely forgot what i was doing now
[16:55:17] <Bytram> sry!
[16:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, possible but it really doesn't matter to me. i'd rather not process bad unicode so it never gets the chance to slip into our db.
[16:56:39] <Bytram> good point. bad unicode would not appear under "normal" circumstances, so anyone who was trying to put it in would, umm, get what they deserve?
[16:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically
[16:57:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could trap the s/// in an eval and return them to a custom crafted error page but they really don't deserve one.
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[16:58:13] <Bytram> the test data that I've been using was generated using Perl, but it was only *generating output*.
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[17:02:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'm gonna call it a day. got some stuff accomplished when i was pretty sure my head was in the wrong state to do anything.
[17:03:56] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for all your hard work! got one thing for you afore you go....
[17:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> whazzat?
[17:04:41] <Bytram> there's a UTF-8 generator here with tests for valid/invalid code points, etc. https://github.com
[17:04:42] <monopoly> └ 03bits/UTF-8-Unicode-Test-Documents · GitHub: UTF-8-Unicode-Test-Documents - Text and XHTML documents containing every Unicode character / codepoint from a variety of ranges
[17:04:47] <Bytram> look fo the generator.pl file
[17:04:56] <Bytram> s/fo/for/
[17:04:56] <SedBot> <Bytram> look for the generator.pl file
[17:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but if i tested vs every valid character, i'd have to look at every character and make sure it displayed properly.
[17:05:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> that would take a very long time
[17:05:57] <Bytram> brain fart; perl file is: utf8_sequence_generator.pl
[17:07:15] <Bytram> there's code for invalid numeric entity deletion, iirc, can use same idea with the logic in that program, I'd think...
[17:07:27] <Bytram> but it's a non-trivial amount of work.
[17:07:32] <Bytram> enjoy your day!
[17:07:46] <Bytram> it's a nice one here, and need to be going, too.
[17:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll have something not entirely unlike breakfast then play some video games
[17:15:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: "not entirely unlike breakfast"? LOL! Reminds me it's been too long since I last ready HHGtG! have a good one!
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[18:47:15] <cykros> dammit, i just broke my system by removing the coreutils package trying to replace it with the gnu version...now i have to reboot my system to fix it
[18:47:19] <cykros> 12:50:34 up 77 days, 21:49, 22 users, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.13
[18:47:35] <cykros> and my poor idlerpg character!
[18:47:42] <mrcoolbp> rofl
[18:48:32] <cykros> apparently slackware uses debianutils, while debian uses gnu coreutils
[18:48:40] <cykros> strange strange world.
[18:49:06] <cykros> all i wanted was my mydottk updater script to work, but it needs mktemp to have the --suffix option.
[18:52:18] <mrcoolbp> Naturally.
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[20:51:10] <TK> #EDITORS
[20:52:00] <TK> #Editor
[20:52:09] <TK> #staff
[20:53:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> TK: ?
[20:54:00] <TK> trying to remember commands
[20:54:06] <TK> join #staff
[20:54:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> #Soylent, #editorial, #dev, #staff
[20:54:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> and it's /join
[20:54:24] <TK> thanks
[20:55:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> all IRC commands begin with slash, if you want to start a message with a slash you have to type slash space slash.
[20:55:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> /then it comes out like this!
[20:56:14] <TK> /join
[20:56:56] <TK> hmm
[20:57:05] <TK> leading with a space works
[20:57:28] <TK> slash space slash does not?
[20:59:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> might be client-specific
[20:59:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's worked in all of the clients that I've used, though.
[20:59:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> also, notice that the leading space gets sent
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[21:21:23] * n1 rages at people wanting google fiber
[21:24:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> I want *any* fiber to the home that isn't Verizon
[21:25:29] <n1> well, i understand that entirely
[21:25:59] <TK> Does G terminate fiber at a local box in each neighborhood, then run CAT6 to individual houses?
[21:26:04] <n1> but in that instance, google being the alternative...
[21:26:22] <n1> TK, i think they actually run fiber to the property
[21:26:34] <TK> That's impressive
[21:26:46] <n1> I might be wrong, hold on
[21:27:15] <TK> I don't know of any fiber modems
[21:27:32] <n1> a friend who has it sent me some pics of the installation
[21:27:33] <TK> of consumer grade
[21:27:42] <n1> thats the problem i have with GFiber
[21:27:50] <n1> it's consumer grade, commercial customers cant get it
[21:28:10] <n1> and you're banned from running servers, or using peer-to-peer services
[21:28:33] <n1> and from what ive seen, they're very carefully deploying it away from population centers who might actually use it properly
[21:28:40] <TK> I thought they renegged that to be "no commercial servers"
[21:28:42] <n1> same with the super amazing 4G mobile networks
[21:28:49] <TK> or maybe a "no servers that piss us off"
[21:29:19] <n1> you also cant run an 'open' wifi hotspot
[21:29:28] <TK> I wouldn't read too far into the "where"
[21:30:19] <TK> Getting major utility work done in a city like LA or Chicago is orders of magnitude more difficult than Kansas City
[21:30:35] <n1> i dont know why not, you can be the fastest ISP, you just need your clients in a datacenter, thats local regulation killing your business, you want to give everyone 10Gbps internet
[21:30:42] <n1> it's the government stopping you, not technical realities"
[21:30:45] <n1> !
[21:31:15] <TK> Well sure, but the people in charge are realists
[21:31:40] <n1> and thats also why i mentioned the 4G deployments too, not just Google Fiber
[21:32:07] <TK> If you get stellar reviews in bumblefudge Arkansas, it will make your proposal to Dallas look a lot better
[21:32:17] <n1> because if everyone in NYC and LA had 4G data, well, they couldn't cope and no one would get a good service, or not much better than what they currently get.
[21:32:27] <n1> however, deploy it in a few places where there's not much going on
[21:32:34] <n1> you can do national ad campaigns about the fastest network ever
[21:32:42] <TK> Makes sense
[21:32:46] <TK> Makes for good marketing
[21:32:57] <n1> yup
[21:33:19] <TK> Try getting cellular service during a White Sox game at US Cellular Field
[21:33:41] <TK> Or just keep your phone off so your battery doesn't die
[21:34:12] <n1> I go to a lot of music festivals (in UK), and data becomes non-existant very quickly
[21:34:28] <n1> even when they put extra towers in
[21:34:49] <TK> Amazon does not have any fiber modems for sale, it would seem
[21:35:35] <n1> im just about to get the answer from someone in Kansas City
[21:35:44] <TK> I'm on the edge of my seat
[21:35:53] <n1> 'Fiber to the modem, yup'
[21:35:57] <n1> lol
[21:35:59] <TK> Well how about that
[21:36:07] <TK> Google's own modem?
[21:36:12] <n1> just waiting on that ;)
[21:36:16] <TK> heh
[21:36:47] <TK> I know they charge a base installation fee for every subscription package
[21:37:13] <n1> in the UK they're deploying FTTC, which is using a spare copper pair on your existing phone line
[21:37:49] <n1> and they supply an additional VDSL modem, as well as a normal ADSL2 router/modem
[21:38:05] <n1> "It says “Google Fiber Fiber modem” on it."
[21:39:53] <n1> http://escrbconsortium.org
[21:41:58] <n1> (by they i didn't mean google, i meant the powers that be)
[21:42:23] <TK> ok
[21:42:46] <TK> I was wondering why you would put 1gbps to the router, then pinch in down to VDSL speeds
[21:43:35] <TK> You blokes just have a spare pair of copper cables in every dwelling?
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[21:46:31] <nick> ahem.
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[21:46:41] <n1> stupid windows7.
[21:47:14] <n1> it's VDSL2 apparently, so it's a bit better, but indeed not 1Gbps.
[21:47:48] <TK> So is the copper just sitting there ready to be used?
[21:47:50] <n1> they're just playing catchup, offering 'upto 80Mbps'
[21:48:04] <TK> less some back end stuff, of course
[21:48:08] <n1> yeah, most houses have 2 spare copper pairs that have never been used
[21:48:22] <n1> and finally, they're using one of them
[21:48:34] <n1> but the pain is, you still have to pay for line rental on the other copper pair.
[21:48:46] <n1> you still have to have a regular phone line for the VDSL service
[21:49:00] <TK> Are they terminated?
[21:49:11] <n1> how do you mean
[21:49:41] <TK> Is there a RJ11 jack in every home that connects to this so-far unused copper?
[21:49:53] <TK> or whatever the local jack standard is
[21:50:13] <n1> an 'engineer' has to put a new jack on the incoming socket
[21:50:18] <TK> Jack Standard sounds like the name of a comic book hero's alter ego
[21:50:26] <TK> gotcha
[21:50:36] <n1> http://phil.lavin.me.uk
[21:50:38] <TK> *mild mannered alter ego
[21:50:44] <n1> looks like that after they do their business
[21:50:56] <n1> just join the spare pair onto the top jack.
[21:51:12] <n1> http://phil.lavin.me.uk
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[22:38:08] <NCommander> Ugh
[22:38:14] <NCommander> I forgot how much I hate apartment hunting
[22:38:16] <NCommander> Really
[22:38:17] <NCommander> hate
[22:48:28] <TK> As someone who just moved this weekend, I feel your pain
[22:48:40] <TK> But know that relief will come
[22:48:43] <TK> and it will be worth it
[22:53:26] <cykros> NCommander: i find it's easiest to just have a girlfriend who's pickier about living scenarios than i am.
[22:53:55] <cykros> don't get me wrong; having a picky girlfriend is not without its drawbacks. but it does have its benefits.
[23:00:30] <NCommander> TK, I generally prefer furnished apartments, but the pickings are slim
[23:00:41] <NCommander> and I only see myself here for 6 months give or take
[23:02:27] <NCommander> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
[23:02:33] <NCommander> Articles of Incorporation have bene filed
[23:02:48] <chromas> for AK?
[23:02:56] <NCommander> Delaware B-corporation
[23:03:06] <NCommander> If approved by the state "SoylentNews PBC" will be a thing
[23:03:11] <NCommander> (we'll know w/i 5 days)
[23:06:42] <TK> I'm assuming that's business days
[23:07:02] <TK> what with Independence day coming up
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[23:21:56] <NCommander> TK, yeah
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[23:40:04] <NCommander> Ok, two emails sent
[23:40:08] <NCommander> With luck I'll find something
[23:55:49] <NCommander> paulej72, looks like the latest code branch fixed unicode in emails, they write out properly in the UUCP batch file
[23:55:57] <NCommander> (I also put a proper once a month timestamp in as a stopgap)
[23:56:38] <paulej72> NCommander: nice to know
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[23:58:10] <paulej72> NCommander: we have it mostly working and we just need to do a complete test of everything and then test if uff8=0 will work.
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