#Soylent | Logs for 2014-08-17
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[00:58:42] <mrcoolbp> apparently you can buy a 70ft tarp and carefully position some hoses and make a super-long slip-n-slide
[00:58:58] <mrcoolbp> they said they made it all the way to the end and still flew off onto the grass
[01:00:06] <mrcoolbp> In other news, it looks like new feautres and code are being deployed on SoylentNews production server tonight!
[01:05:27] <paulej72> If your hill is steep enough you can have a slide as long as you like
[01:06:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> in space, you can have a mobius slide
[01:06:33] <paulej72> in space no one can hear you scream
[01:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you rigged up a motorized pulley system and a couple sensors to read your position, you could make an infinity slide
[01:08:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, upgrade in 1h or is my math wrong?
[01:08:50] <paulej72> You can make a slide like the those srufing rigs they use on cruise ships
[01:09:00] <paulej72> no you are correct
[01:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet, i'll be mostly handy but if chillax is any kind of example, it should go smoothly enough.
[01:10:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> just glad we didn't already have subscribers that we'd have to convert page views to days for.
[01:12:44] <paulej72> techanically we do as NCommander has gifted the staff with subs.
[01:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, be easier to manually reenter them
[01:14:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> what'd we decide on the ipn daemon? no https for now or through the load balancer?
[01:16:38] <paulej72> off for now
[01:17:00] <paulej72> stock issue must be ironed out first
[01:17:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. no extremely sensitive info in them anyway. only really the email address.
[01:17:39] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, nuke the subs database, we can regrant them manually
[01:17:49] <paulej72> I mean no ipn at all for now
[01:17:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh okay
[01:18:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> could lead to headaches of the manual data entry variety but nothing worse really.
[01:18:54] <paulej72> NCommander: there should be noting in it. the current subs db does not get populated when an admin gifts a sub
[01:19:23] <paulej72> only sets the user’s pages bought var
[01:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i lurve me a good release day. they're exciting.
[01:21:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> so many fun things that could break.
[01:21:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robot-Staffed Restaurant Opens in China - http://sylnt.us - as-C3PO-said-"If-I-might-venture-an-opinion..."
[01:29:02] <NCommander> paulej72, and that new behavior didn't get fixed?
[01:29:03] <NCommander> :-/
[01:29:12] * NCommander just demolished an entire pizza
[01:29:16] <NCommander> I feel so much more human
[01:29:37] <paulej72> on the new system yes.
[01:29:41] <NCommander> pity
[01:29:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> send the pizza a beer or two to keep it company n you'll feel even better.
[01:30:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> though probably not the wisest idea right before a big upgrade.
[01:30:53] <paulej72> wait I think I did not explain myself. The new subs log when a admin gitfs a sub to anyone.
[01:31:05] <crutchy> human nature loves destruction. whilst on the surface we claim to hope for order and peace, but underneath we secretly hope for chaos and pizza
[01:31:47] <crutchy> ooh only half hour till the gong?
[01:31:50] <NCommander> paulej72, that's fine by me. As long as we can still gift
[01:32:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> that reminds me, i need to finish up reading the The Destroyer series.
[01:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, s'easy as pie. just poke the number of days to gift in on their subscription page as an admin n hit the Grant button.
[01:34:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj writes good lazy admin stuff.
[01:34:09] <NCommander> I <3 you
[01:36:28] <NCommander> lazy admin is good
[01:36:47] <crutchy> sudo grant pizza
[01:39:32] <paulej72> NCommander: should we reboot servers to load new kernels
[01:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> get to start on 14.10 tomorrow i guess. probably sift through all the m2 ideas and see if there's anything approaching a consensus.
[01:41:09] * crutchy has no idea what m2 is... goes back to gedit
[01:41:36] <paulej72> meta moderation
[01:42:08] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, rather keep us on 14.04
[01:42:12] <paulej72> lets people digitally kick people in the nuts for giving bad mods
[01:42:20] -!- Bytram|away [Bytram|away!~pc@Soylent/Staff/Developer/martyb] has joined #Soylent
[01:42:20] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[01:42:31] <NCommander> Our funding plan for SN is to invent a device that lets us stab people over the internet
[01:42:39] <crutchy> good morning Bytram|away
[01:42:54] <crutchy> oh wow that would be a huge success. make sure you patent it
[01:43:31] <Bytram|away> NCommander: then, for good measure, we create a device to rpotect people from being stabbed over the internet?
[01:43:34] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:43:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, TNP/IP (taze noob protocol)
[01:43:40] <crutchy> oh hangon didn't fb already create a way for people to stab each other in the back?
[01:43:41] <Bytram> crutchy: g'morning!
[01:43:54] <crutchy> or was that myspace
[01:43:58] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[01:44:11] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 11:02 am (EST) ~ 42 mins ago: temp: 1013.6°C (56.5°F), dp: 108°C (46.4°F), press: 101017.9 mb (-0.3 mb/120 mins), humid: 1068%, wind: 1011.2 km/h (7 mph) @ 10100°
[01:44:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> that way you can have repeat victims and increase your royalties stream.
[01:44:55] <Bytram> crutchy: Looks like it's warming up a bit for ya!
[01:45:12] <crutchy> the heater is off today :D
[01:45:33] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to herd cats before the upgrade.
[01:45:43] <Bytram> NCommander: I don't know if it was in-plan, but is there a static page we can put up to let people know when the site is down for maintenance?
[01:45:58] <crutchy> need that bsod page
[01:46:13] <Bytram> NCommander: btw, good to 'see' you!!
[01:46:41] <Bytram> crutchy: nah, upgrade it to a BOFH page.
[01:46:57] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[01:47:01] <exec> weather for 10Boston, MA US at 9:17 pm (EDT) ~ 30 mins ago: temp: 1021.7°C (71°F), dp: 1012.8°C (55°F), press: 101013.9 mb (+0.1 mb/18 mins), humid: 1057%, wind: 104.8 km/h (3 mph) @ 10270°
[01:47:30] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[01:47:34] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 8:17 pm (CDT) ~ 30 mins ago: temp: 1027°C (80.6°F), dp: 1022°C (71.6°F), press: 101011.9 mb (+0.3 mb/18 mins), humid: 1074%, wind: 104.8 km/h (3 mph) @ 10190°
[01:47:40] <crutchy> ~define bofh
[01:47:42] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3BOFH: Bastard Operator From Hell. We all know the bitter, secluded system administrator that is so sick of people pestering him that he would all too eagerly delete all your accounts, just because he can. B...
[01:47:52] <crutchy> oh
[01:47:57] <Bytram> LOL!
[01:48:15] <Bytram> ROFL!
[01:48:42] <crutchy> is that right?
[01:49:26] <Bytram> you never heard of the BOFH? Oh the stories you have missed. Certainly not behavior I'd condone, but one has to admire the writinstyle of such plos.
[01:49:43] <Bytram> s/inst/ing st/
[01:49:44] <exec> <Bytram> you never heard of the BOFH? Oh the stories you have missed. Certainly not behavior I'd condone, but one has to admire the writing style of such plos.
[01:49:45] <paulej72> I should change the varnish settings to give a BOFH error page
[01:49:51] <Bytram> s/plos/ploys/
[01:49:52] <exec> <Bytram> you never heard of the BOFH? Oh the stories you have missed. Certainly not behavior I'd condone, but one has to admire the writinstyle of such ploys.
[01:50:04] <Bytram> paulej72++
[01:50:04] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 46
[01:50:05] * crutchy is a rock ape so not privy to a lot of the innuendo of the pro IT world
[01:50:44] <Bytram> 'rock ape' ?? A gorilla who plays drums? Or electric guitar?
[01:50:59] <crutchy> i wish i could play electric guitar, but no
[01:50:59] <Bytram> ~define "rock ape"
[01:51:11] <exec> "rock ape": unable to find definition
[01:51:20] <Bytram> ~define rock ape
[01:51:21] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3rock ape: A derogatory white Australian slang term for an Aborigine. Most commonly used in the Northern Territory, where modern Aboriginal culture has been defined by generational poverty, primative living cond...
[01:51:29] <crutchy> oh my!?
[01:51:42] <crutchy> that's certainly not what i meant
[01:52:10] * crutchy wonders whether there are alternate definitions on that page
[01:52:21] * Bytram has noticed that the urbandictionary is vast, but of quite varying degrees of accuracy
[01:53:30] <crutchy> i think i'm technically a white collar worker, but a lot of other pros prolly look at steel/concrete engineers as blue collar
[01:53:47] <crutchy> which i have no problem with :p
[01:54:29] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:54:40] <Bytram> ~time
[01:54:40] <exec> syntax: ~time location
[01:54:40] <exec> time data courtesy of Google
[01:54:49] <Bytram> ~time utc
[01:54:50] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 3:54 am CEST - Soesterberg, The Netherlands
[01:55:17] * Bytram wonders if there is a broederbrg, too.
[01:55:44] <Bytram> ~time UTC
[01:55:45] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 3:55 am CEST - Soesterberg, The Netherlands
[01:55:58] <mrcoolbp> ~time Zulu
[01:56:00] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 17 August 2014, 1:56 am
[01:56:06] <Bytram> crutchy: that does not look like UTC time. :(
[01:56:15] <Bytram> ~time london
[01:56:16] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 2:56 am BST - London, UK
[01:56:19] <mrcoolbp> hey, that actually worked = )
[01:56:34] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: g'day! ummm, what worked?
[01:56:44] <mrcoolbp> ~time Zulu
[01:56:46] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 17 August 2014, 1:56 am
[01:56:49] <mrcoolbp> UTC ^^^
[01:56:53] <mrcoolbp> = )
[01:56:57] <Bytram> ROLF!
[01:57:00] <crutchy> ~time blah de blah blah doorsnoker
[01:57:02] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 17 August 2014, 1:57 am
[01:57:16] <mrcoolbp> I love visiting doorsnoker in the summer
[01:57:29] <Bytram> but, it does find *something* for UTC, but it's *not* UTC time! :/
[01:57:39] <crutchy> dunno. my clock says 1157am and my tz is +10
[01:57:52] <crutchy> i guess that's where the 0157 comes from
[01:57:53] <Bytram> ~time bst
[01:57:55] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 6:27 am AFT - Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan
[01:58:06] <Bytram> ~time BST
[01:58:08] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 6:28 am AFT - Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan
[01:58:13] <crutchy> is london on dst or something?
[01:58:29] <Bytram> and that does not look like Brtish Standard Time, either.
[01:58:37] <Bytram> crisp: yup
[01:58:39] <mrcoolbp> "GMT is an absolute time reference & doesn't change with the seasons."
[01:58:48] <crutchy> googling "time utc" shows 1.57am
[01:58:58] <mrcoolbp> "London Time is the same as Greenwich Mean Time less than half of the year. During Summer Time (Daylight Saving Time), London Time is GMT+1, also known as British Summer Time (BST)."
[01:59:34] <Bytram> hrrrm... first acronym I got wrong all day. =)
[01:59:45] <Bytram> ~time GMT
[01:59:46] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 1:59 am GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
[02:00:01] <Bytram> *finally*
[02:00:18] <Bytram> ~time GMT
[02:00:20] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 2:00 am GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
[02:00:31] * Bytram toots horn ad throws confetti
[02:00:38] <Bytram> s/ad/and/
[02:00:38] <exec> <Bytram> toots horn and throws confetti
[02:01:38] <crutchy> ~time fraggle rock
[02:01:40] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 17 August 2014, 2:01 am
[02:02:09] <crutchy> is UTC same as GMT?
[02:02:15] * crutchy should just google
[02:03:09] <mrcoolbp> From my understanding, UTC is GMT but without daylight savings
[02:03:37] <mrcoolbp> that's probably wrong though
[02:04:24] <mrcoolbp> ah, it is wrong, looks like UTC is just defined more precisely
[02:04:37] <Bytram> crutchy: effectively, yes. UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (from french acronym) and GMT is Greenwich Mean time (Greenwich, England; ISTR there was an observatory there or something along those lines)
[02:05:14] <Bytram> for people, they are effectively the same thing, but ISTR there may be a few leap seconds difference??
[02:06:20] <Bytram> that's from memoery; it's been a while since I looked it up... you might want to double check me on that one!
[02:06:51] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: pm?
[02:07:00] <mrcoolbp> sure
[02:11:34] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders a UID t-shirt
[02:11:37] <crutchy> ~chart
[02:11:43] <crutchy> lol
[02:11:52] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: go for it
[02:12:05] <crutchy> i have a black tee with the red debian swirl
[02:12:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> gave up on the mugs, couldn't bring myself to downgrade in size.
[02:12:42] <crutchy> sadly i don't get any chicks coming up to me asking for my phone number
[02:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you don't have an 18 uid though
[02:13:01] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I opened it up to 15oz mugs
[02:13:02] <crutchy> true
[02:13:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, ya, my current is a 20oz though.
[02:13:26] <crutchy> i do have the same uid for SN as for |. though, which is kinda cool :)
[02:13:40] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: that's what paulej72 said
[02:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, is kinda
[02:13:56] -!- JamesNZ [JamesNZ!~james@43-567-441-22.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #Soylent
[02:14:04] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: that's a rediculous coincidence, is that really true?
[02:14:14] <crutchy> yup 179 for both
[02:14:37] <Bytram> my mug is a 20oz, too.
[02:14:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll prolly get a frosted glass one for tea later. pondering other stuff for now though.
[02:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, is nice not having to get up for coffee very often.
[02:16:17] * Bytram has noticed that coffee is rarely bought -- it's mostly rented ;)
[02:16:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[02:16:36] <crutchy> hmm |. seems to be a bit broky atm
[02:16:48] <crutchy> can't access any of my previous comments :/
[02:17:14] <Bytram> crutchy: better start making some of your future comments, then!
[02:17:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> get to access ALL of them here if you subscribe tomorrow
[02:18:39] <crutchy> hmm pipedot doesn't seem to show uid anymore either
[02:18:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me. i should talk less or i'll break the db.
[02:24:45] * mrcoolbp is going to go relax
[02:30:07] <mythterj> 503s again on the login page guys
[02:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> mythterj, process of upgrading to 14.08. not surprising.
[02:31:31] <mythterj> The rest wrks, just the login fails.
[02:32:00] <Lagg> Woe is me
[02:32:01] <Bytram> I just asked, and apparently they can't just put up a static page indicating the site is down for maintenance.
[02:32:06] <Lagg> Also coffee mentioned
[02:32:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, yeah prolly the same cause. they're monkeying with one of the live servers n it can't get load balanced to.
[02:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[02:33:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 601
[02:33:42] * Bytram would naively think that the IP address could be redirected to another one of our boxes which could serve up a static page.
[02:34:07] <Bytram> coffee sounds nice, but too late for me; need my sleep.
[02:34:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, could but dns propogation is annoying and would likely take longer than just getting 14.08 deployed.
[02:36:02] <Bytram> oh. doh!
[02:36:56] <Bytram> afk brb
[02:36:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're due some downtime though. uptime's been wicked good for a site this young and code this funky
[02:39:09] <crutchy> coffee++
[02:39:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 602
[02:40:00] <crutchy> downtime is a good distraction to get some coding done
[02:40:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i got a soda n am watching the fireworks
[02:40:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> perks of being dev not admin
[02:41:37] <crutchy> are you watching a screen terminal or something?
[02:42:15] <crutchy> ooh, or is it like CSI where multiple people bash away at the same kb?
[02:42:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, nother channel
[02:43:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't be prudent for mere users to hear NC and PJ say those kinds of words
[02:43:25] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[02:43:37] <Bytram> btw, I got a UTF-8 question for ya...
[02:43:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> rock on with it
[02:44:02] <crutchy> !quote 220
[02:44:02] <Bender> Quote 220 - <arti> You are as presumptuous as you are poor and irish. tarnish notte the majest of my tower of hats.
[02:44:05] <crutchy> hmm
[02:44:06] <Bytram> there were some 'issues' with what the DB could hold wrt UTF-8...
[02:44:23] <crutchy> i thought nc's 'shit shit shit' quote was around there somewhere
[02:44:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, up to codepoint 65535 natively.
[02:44:49] <Bytram> so, if I have a unicode char that maps to a 3-octet UTF-8 char, does that get saved to the DB as a 3octet UTF-8 char?
[02:45:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, converted to &#xwhatever;
[02:45:22] <Bytram> ok.
[02:45:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> hex notation i believe not decimal
[02:45:43] <Bytram> but 2-octet UTF-8 chars go in and out okay?
[02:45:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[02:46:06] <Bytram> k.
[02:46:07] <Bytram> brb
[02:46:07] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) Bytram
[02:46:11] <crutchy> lol
[02:46:17] * Bytram *so* wants to kick ciri
[02:46:21] <crutchy> aww
[02:46:43] <crutchy> could ask arti to make it play nicer
[02:46:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> that'll eventually be fixed cause it annoys the crap out of me that i had to leave it that way to get it out to 14.08
[02:47:10] <crutchy> why not just convert all funky shit to not so funky shit for the db?
[02:47:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, cause you want your poo glyph
[02:47:43] <crutchy> lol
[02:48:00] <Bytram> so, ASCII goes in and out, as-is (i.e. 0x00 - 0xff)
[02:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> really there's not much but emoji that is going to get converted
[02:48:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[02:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> most language panes fit below 65535
[02:48:31] <crutchy> nah i mean anything outside A-Z,a-z,0-9,and the usual kb special chars get converted to/from &#; for db
[02:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh nah. waste of bytes
[02:48:48] <crutchy> that way don't need to worry about mysql mashing them up
[02:48:52] <Bytram> also, 0x0080 .. 0x07ff gets converted to 2-octet UTF-8 chars.
[02:49:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas what we do for anything over 65535 but mysql's utf8 character set can handle the rest fine.
[02:49:23] <Bytram> and 0x0800 .. 0x10FFFF gets converted to &#xnnnnnn;
[02:50:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, roger doger if that's the correct math.
[02:50:12] * TheMightyBuzzard can't be arsed to check
[02:50:48] <Bytram> here's 0x80..0xff:
[02:50:49] <Bytram>
[02:50:49] <Bytram>
[02:50:49] <Bytram>
[02:50:49] <exec> alias "~privmsg-internal" requires additional trailing argument
[02:50:49] <exec> alias "~privmsg-internal" requires additional trailing argument
[02:50:50] <exec> alias "~privmsg-internal" requires additional trailing argument
[02:50:56] <crutchy> ooh
[02:51:08] <crutchy> lemme disable that
[02:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> poor exec
[02:51:16] <Bytram> score!
[02:51:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you hax0red exec!
[02:52:05] <Bytram> LOL!
[02:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me a moment, cat issues
[02:53:07] <crutchy> ~rehash
[02:53:08] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[02:53:24] <crutchy> just tweaked the internal aliases so that doesn't complain
[02:55:06] <Bytram> hmmm, let's try the next chars in the list:
[02:55:07] <Bytram> 𐀀𐀁𐀂𐀃𐀄𐀅𐀆𐀇𐀈𐀉𐀊𐀋𐀍𐀎𐀏
[02:55:07] <Bytram> 𐀐𐀑𐀒𐀓𐀔𐀕𐀖𐀗𐀘𐀙𐀚𐀛𐀜𐀝𐀞𐀟
[02:55:07] <Bytram> 𐀠𐀡𐀢𐀣𐀤𐀥𐀦𐀨𐀩𐀪𐀫𐀬𐀭𐀮𐀯
[02:55:07] <Bytram> 𐀰𐀱𐀲𐀳𐀴𐀵𐀶𐀷𐀸𐀹𐀺𐀼𐀽𐀿
[02:55:09] <Bytram> 𐁀𐁁𐁂𐁃𐁄𐁅𐁆𐁇𐁈𐁉𐁊𐁋𐁌𐁍
[02:55:11] <Bytram> 𐁐𐁑𐁒𐁓𐁔𐁕𐁖𐁗𐁘𐁙𐁚𐁛𐁜𐁝
[02:55:13] <Bytram>
[02:55:15] <Bytram>
[02:55:17] <Bytram> 𐂀𐂁𐂂𐂃𐂄𐂅𐂆𐂇𐂈𐂉𐂊𐂋𐂌𐂍𐂎𐂏
[02:55:20] <Bytram> 𐂐𐂑𐂒𐂓𐂔𐂕𐂖𐂗𐂘𐂙𐂚𐂛𐂜𐂝𐂞𐂟
[02:55:21] <Bytram> 𐂠𐂡𐂢𐂣𐂤𐂥𐂦𐂧𐂨𐂩𐂪𐂫𐂬𐂭𐂮𐂯
[02:55:22] <Bytram> 𐂰𐂱𐂲𐂳𐂴𐂵𐂶𐂷𐂸𐂹𐂺𐂻𐂼𐂽𐂾𐂿
[02:55:24] <Bytram> 𐃀𐃁𐃂𐃃𐃄𐃅𐃆𐃇𐃈𐃉𐃊𐃋𐃌𐃍𐃎𐃏
[02:55:26] <Bytram> 𐃐𐃑𐃒𐃓𐃔𐃕𐃖𐃗𐃘𐃙𐃚𐃛𐃜𐃝𐃞𐃟
[02:55:28] <Bytram> 𐃠𐃡𐃢𐃣𐃤𐃥𐃦𐃧𐃨𐃩𐃪𐃫𐃬𐃭𐃮𐃯
[02:55:30] <Bytram> 𐃰𐃱𐃲𐃳𐃴𐃵𐃶𐃷𐃸𐃹𐃺
[02:55:32] <Bytram> oops.
[02:55:34] <Bytram> =)
[02:55:41] <Bytram> 𐀀𐀁𐀂𐀃𐀄𐀅𐀆𐀇𐀈𐀉𐀊𐀋𐀍𐀎𐀏
[02:55:42] <Bytram> 𐀐𐀑𐀒𐀓𐀔𐀕𐀖𐀗𐀘𐀙𐀚𐀛𐀜𐀝𐀞𐀟
[02:55:45] <Bytram> 𐀠𐀡𐀢𐀣𐀤𐀥𐀦𐀨𐀩𐀪𐀫𐀬𐀭𐀮𐀯
[02:55:48] <Bytram> 𐀰𐀱𐀲𐀳𐀴𐀵𐀶𐀷𐀸𐀹𐀺𐀼𐀽𐀿
[02:55:51] <Bytram> 𐁀𐁁𐁂𐁃𐁄𐁅𐁆𐁇𐁈𐁉𐁊𐁋𐁌𐁍
[02:55:54] <Bytram> 𐁐𐁑𐁒𐁓𐁔𐁕𐁖𐁗𐁘𐁙𐁚𐁛𐁜𐁝
[02:55:55] <crutchy> i like trains
[02:55:55] <exec> http://www.youtube.com
[02:55:57] <Bytram>
[02:56:00] <Bytram>
[02:56:03] <Bytram> 𐂀𐂁𐂂𐂃𐂄𐂅𐂆𐂇𐂈𐂉𐂊𐂋𐂌𐂍𐂎𐂏
[02:56:06] <Bytram> 𐂐𐂑𐂒𐂓𐂔𐂕𐂖𐂗𐂘𐂙𐂚𐂛𐂜𐂝𐂞𐂟
[02:56:11] <Bytram> 𐂠𐂡𐂢𐂣𐂤𐂥𐂦𐂧𐂨𐂩𐂪𐂫𐂬𐂭𐂮𐂯
[02:56:14] <Bytram> 𐂰𐂱𐂲𐂳𐂴𐂵𐂶𐂷𐂸𐂹𐂺𐂻𐂼𐂽𐂾𐂿
[02:56:17] <Bytram> 𐃀𐃁𐃂𐃃𐃄𐃅𐃆𐃇𐃈𐃉𐃊𐃋𐃌𐃍𐃎𐃏
[02:56:20] <Bytram> 𐃐𐃑𐃒𐃓𐃔𐃕𐃖𐃗𐃘𐃙𐃚𐃛𐃜𐃝𐃞𐃟
[02:56:23] <Bytram> 𐃠𐃡𐃢𐃣𐃤𐃥𐃦𐃧𐃨𐃩𐃪𐃫𐃬𐃭𐃮𐃯
[02:56:26] <Bytram> 𐃰𐃱𐃲𐃳𐃴𐃵𐃶𐃷𐃸𐃹𐃺
[02:56:29] <Bytram> nah. that doesn't look right, either.
[02:57:13] <crutchy> brb making kiddies lunches
[02:57:14] <ciri> me too, smoke time! crutchy
[02:57:25] <crutchy> yes. i must smoke the children
[02:57:40] <crutchy> in the toaster
[02:58:17] <Lagg> So why are you spitting out the eascii charmap
[02:58:29] <Lagg> Just out of curiosity
[02:58:36] <Bytram> testing
[02:59:03] <Bytram> it's actually *supposed* to be UTF-8 chars
[02:59:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> don axe me
[03:00:17] <Bytram> looks fine in emacs; but when I copy-pasta it gets munged -- maybe blame it on hexchat... I dunno
[03:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly the font
[03:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of it came through looking fine
[03:01:12] <Bytram> hmm? I'm running with the CSUR unifont thingy you pointed me at way back when
[03:01:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg then. got some boxes using that but mostly good chars
[03:02:11] <Bytram> "Unifont CSUR"
[03:02:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[03:02:40] * Bytram checks his settings, and his standings. =)
[03:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's no such thing as a complete font though. partly because thas a buttload of work and partly because not all the codepoints are used.
[03:03:34] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:03:52] <Bytram> I prolly created chars that don't have 'symbols' for them.
[03:03:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely
[03:05:35] * Bytram launches BabelMap
[03:11:35] <crutchy> 'it's full of squares!'
[03:11:48] <crutchy> with an 'oops' inbetween
[03:13:37] * Bytram sings Huey Lewis & the News' "It's Hip to be Square"
[03:14:20] <crutchy> was always a 'power of love' kinda guy. but i grew up with back to the future
[03:15:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, zz top cameo in bttf3
[03:16:16] * Bytram saw bttf 1 & 2 but missed #3
[03:16:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> better than 2
[03:16:55] <paulej72> prod should be back up. please let me know if you have issues connecting
[03:17:05] <Bytram> orly? huh! I thought 1 was better than 2, so assumed that if 2 was better than 3, it was worth missing.
[03:17:12] <Bytram> paulej72: I just got back on
[03:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh the good ole 80s. back when you could be an unrepentant capitalist and not get shat upon for it.
[03:19:13] <mrcoolbp> Ì'm in
[03:19:16] -!- Robotron [Robotron!~cb73905e@203.115.quw.lt] has joined #Soylent
[03:19:19] <Bytram> paulej72: thank-you!
[03:19:23] <Bytram> paulej72++
[03:19:23] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 47
[03:19:41] <Robotron> Getting an Error 503 on some of the older articles from 2 days ago
[03:20:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Robotron, still? should be good as of like a minute or two ago.
[03:20:57] <Robotron> lemme check
[03:21:07] <Robotron> yep, still
[03:21:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn
[03:21:29] <Robotron> police officer's photo, and robin williams articles
[03:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, any ideas on that?
[03:22:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, may be browser cache issue. try hitting refresh?
[03:22:34] <Bytram> try: http://soylentnews.org
[03:22:38] <Bytram> got a 503...
[03:22:39] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 14 Pulitzer Winners Call on the Justice Dept to End its Pursuit of James Risen 04(13 comments):
[03:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell
[03:23:09] <Bytram> hit F5 and am still getting a 503
[03:23:32] <Bytram> hit Ctrl-F5 and it finally loaded
[03:23:36] <Robotron> definitely not a cache issue; I just used a different browser on the same pages - 503 again
[03:24:10] <Bytram> Okay, I'm trying the next-older story: http://soylentnews.org
[03:24:13] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Germany Breaks Renewables Record, Again 04(30 comments):
[03:24:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Robotron, some issues are to be expected for a bit on account of the site upgrade (see right sidebar) happening but i don't think this one was expected, so thanks.
[03:24:20] <Robotron> that one works
[03:24:30] <Robotron> no problem, glad to help
[03:24:39] <Robotron> anyway, back to work...
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[03:25:00] <Bytram> got a 503 on: http://soylentnews.org
[03:25:06] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03Guru Meditation: 04(392284022</p> comments):
[03:25:16] <Bytram> simple F5 brought it up.
[03:25:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely going to get that on anything not in the varnish cache
[03:26:02] <Bytram> varnish needs a good shellacing
[03:27:48] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:28:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet, secure feeds are up n kicking
[03:28:19] <paulej72> anyone getting errors now I reloaded hydrogen
[03:28:27] <Bytram|away> crutchy: hitting the hay... have a good night
[03:28:30] * TheMightyBuzzard checks
[03:28:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> 503 on main page now
[03:28:43] <crutchy> night buddy
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[03:30:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, no issues hitting the rss feeds though, which aren't cached
[03:33:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder what all bots will break from the switch to unicode
[03:35:14] <crutchy> exec doesn't need anything as technical as unicode to break. it doesn't need any excuse :p
[03:36:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm kinda wondering about whichever one does the twitter feed
[03:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, gracias. seeing pages again
[03:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of em anyway.
[03:37:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> some still 503
[03:37:53] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not sue if i need to reload on flourine
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[03:38:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a clue here. probably wouldn't hurt though.
[03:39:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, you almost certainly need to or it'll be running old code
[03:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> gluster syncing the files is all well and good but it doesn't sync resident memory
[03:40:25] <paulej72> I relloaded both, but seems like I need to do it again
[03:40:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[03:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> just restarting services or completely rebooting?
[03:47:29] <Landon> !help tweet
[03:47:29] <Bender> can't find help on tweet
[03:47:29] <ciri> Help is only available for the following: all,google,images,groups,news,local,book,video,fight,youtube,translate,gamespot,gamefaqs,blog,ebay,ebayfight,wikipedia,wikimedia,locate,review,torrent,top,popular,dailymotion,ign,myspace,trends,scholar
[03:47:54] <Landon> TheMightyBuzzard: I can do an informal test right now :)
[03:48:16] <Landon> assuming the chain from site -> rss works, I can send the tweeter
[03:48:58] <Lagg> My reflexive checking of the site as part of my work break rotation is being interrupted. I'm probably going to die from the sudden change in routine.
[03:48:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> rss is working right now but we haven't got anything with unicode in the title yet.
[03:49:14] <paulej72> Utf8 test in my jornal works
[03:49:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, you shall be avenged!
[03:49:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[03:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> still plenty of 503s on old articles though.
[03:50:14] <paulej72> Lagg site should be back up and stable now
[03:51:05] <Lagg> There we are, the aneurysm was quickly approaching.
[03:51:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, all kinds of new stuff too.
[03:52:34] <Lagg> First thing I notice is the new emotes for friends/foes and dat d20 and other icons
[03:54:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> unicode and subscriptions are the biggies. https feeds at index.srss/satom too.
[03:54:19] <Lagg> Someone should edit the footer and feed <link> to make it point to the atom feed. I had to be told it even existed.
[03:55:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> really should just put the rel links up in the head
[03:56:06] <Lagg> Also I really like that hardware icon, nice and vectory.
[03:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd link you PJ's journal of what's all new but it's currently 503-ing
[03:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org works though and you can read it there.
[03:56:55] <Cereal> ^ 03503 Service Unavailable
[03:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it did a second ago
[03:57:31] <paulej72> I just relaoded hydrogen
[03:57:36] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[03:57:38] <Lagg> It's just bot being silly again, I see it fine. Thanks
[03:58:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, looks like that got it but double checking
[03:58:26] <Lagg> Heh, 4 byte unicode. Something tells me you won't have to worry about that too much.
[03:58:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, double check looks 100%
[03:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, emoji mostly.
[03:58:46] <paulej72> I was on fluroine and it seemed stable, I had added some pauses in the startup script that I had in dev. Reloaded hydriogen with the new script
[03:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good
[03:59:29] <Lagg> Didn't think of that, but really the last time I saw that or UCS-2 was in Valve's VDF files. They have weird encoding tendencies.
[03:59:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> never argue with what works
[04:00:12] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: try this http://soylentnews.org
[04:00:14] <paulej72> does it 503
[04:00:20] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03Guru Meditation: 04(936953236</p> comments):
[04:00:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp.
[04:00:36] <paulej72> did for ccereal
[04:01:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> was checking all the old posts with moderation being discussed. all failed now all load.
[04:01:04] <Lagg> "Being PayPal this code was not straight forward to implement" <--- Ugh, I feel that pain lately
[04:01:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, search
[04:01:42] <Lagg> There's this job I'm doing requiring paypal's digital checkout crap and I have to use the API directly because the thing is triggered by a particular category, I've been dragging ass on it because no one wants to use the API directly, seriously.
[04:02:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, bot may use caching itself
[04:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[04:02:20] <Lagg> Their new REST API is so bad that it doesn't deserve to give the old one the name "classic". So tired of paypal's shit right about now.
[04:02:27] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[04:02:38] <Cereal> ^ 03503 Service Unavailable
[04:02:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid bot, stop with the lying
[04:03:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[04:03:43] <Cereal> ^ 04SN journal 03Generic Journal Entry 04(6 comments):
[04:03:43] <Lagg> Was hoping for the comment history thing in subscriptions. Good.
[04:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://soylentnews.org
[04:04:06] <Cereal> ^ 04SN journal 03Generic Journal Entry 04(6 comments):
[04:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, that one was PJ's baby
[04:07:48] <Lagg> So how do I get to the payment page :/
[04:10:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a good question. it should be on the preferences page
[04:10:20] <Lagg> First place I looked \_(o.O)_/
[04:10:26] <paulej72> Lagg it is truned off now.
[04:10:39] <paulej72> Only available for admins.
[04:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't want to have to manually deal with chargebacks and pendings?
[04:11:16] <paulej72> We have to get a few financial matters finialized before we can do subs
[04:11:46] <Lagg> I just want to see the prices for the moment, even though I trust you I know how fickle paypal is and how many bugs need to be worked around with it and so make a point to wait for things to be tested thoroughly when it comes to its stupid ass
[04:12:02] <Lagg> God I don't want to do this job :|
[04:12:03] <paulej72> the stock issue to Matt and NCommander needs to be done before we can start gettng an income
[04:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, thas easy
[04:12:22] <paulej72> 20/365 days
[04:12:39] <paulej72> $20 US that is
[04:13:38] <Lagg> Oh that's pretty good. I think I can manage that. Might wait until the next VPS bill so that I can line up the months. I like keeping site related bills together.
[04:13:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> and for the bother of it not being ready, i offer you access to our completely undocumented journals feed...
[04:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[04:13:57] <Cereal> ^ 03SoylentNews Journals
[04:13:58] <Subsentient> SN is down
[04:14:12] <Subsentient> Varnish guru meditation
[04:14:12] <Lagg> Sounds stupid to be anal about that but believe me I'd forget to pay if I wasn't :/
[04:14:13] <crutchy> ooh shiny
[04:14:29] <Subsentient> soylentnews.org is down
[04:14:48] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: Awesome, I always mean to read journals but forget to look at the sidebar
[04:14:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, looking fine here
[04:14:54] <paulej72> have your reloaded Subsentient
[04:14:54] <crutchy> ctrl+f5 Subsentient
[04:15:08] <Lagg> All the feeds should really be linking to atom though
[04:15:10] <Subsentient> Now it's up
[04:15:14] <Subsentient> but not through ctrl-f5
[04:15:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org then
[04:15:18] <Cereal> ^ 03SoylentNews Journals
[04:15:36] <Lagg> Yeah, saw that but I just mean in general as far as <link> hrefs and such go
[04:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. too many opinions. we just serve em all up.
[04:16:06] <Lagg> In fact at this point in atom's life there's not much reason to not merely switch over to it entirely as most decent readers will cooperate if the feed suddenly changes from RSS to atom
[04:16:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i prefer rss 2.0. don't dislike atom though.
[04:16:44] <crutchy> i think atom is better cos it has a timestamp field
[04:16:47] <Lagg> Not to mention that most RSS feeds use atom's namespace anyway.
[04:17:42] <crutchy> a lot of rss does to but the tag names aren't consistent
[04:17:47] <crutchy> *too
[04:17:50] <Lagg> I like it for the categories and such, already I have filters for soylent
[04:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[04:18:14] <Lagg> It's also just generally better designed honestly, including that sweet sweet inline unescaped XHTML support
[04:18:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, rss2 has that as well.
[04:18:59] <Lagg> Via the dc namespace mebbeh
[04:19:34] <crutchy> pow! 503
[04:19:39] <Lagg> but yeah, if anything I'd suggest just editing the footer rss button to point to the atom feed as well as the link and then add a secondary pointing to the RSS. Readers will either give the user a choice based on that or choose the first one appearing in the head block
[04:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> really is a whole hell of a lot better than rss1
[04:19:56] <crutchy> back again
[04:20:21] <Lagg> Agree, but for me (I also judge these things as how nifty they are to parse I should mention) atom edges it out
[04:20:38] <crutchy> we going to get a lawsuit from apple with all those rounded corners
[04:20:58] <crutchy> ~queue
[04:21:02] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 7
[04:21:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hyperlocal News - http://sylnt.us - Bloom-Picayune
[04:21:03] <exec> *** http://soylentnews.org
[04:21:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you really wanna get funky, try index.rdf
[04:21:18] <crutchy> hmm. upgrade didn't break that one at least :p
[04:21:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> rss 0.9
[04:21:41] <Lagg> Anyway paulej72 /or TheMightyBuzzard you can probably resolve most people's confusion and issues by adding <link rel="alternate" title="SoylentNews Atom" href="//soylentnews.org/index.atom" type="application/rss+atom"> on the line directly before the RSS one
[04:22:05] <crutchy> index.rdf looks atomy
[04:22:07] <Lagg> While also still offering RSS, this is what most sites with multiple feeds do nowadays
[04:23:00] <crutchy> hmm little different. no href in link
[04:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, if you'll post it as an issue to https://github.com we're likely doing a whole lot of quick, simple fixes for 14.10
[04:23:03] <Cereal> ^ 03Issues · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[04:23:03] <Cereal> ^ 03Issues · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[04:23:35] <Lagg> I keep forgetting there's a github repo for this thing. Will do so and paste log.
[04:23:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> so many of them it's easy to forget them
[04:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias
[04:23:50] <crutchy> oh link with no href is rss maybe
[04:23:56] <Lagg> I might not like the direction github has been going lately but it's a pretty good choice for proejcts right now
[04:24:10] <Lagg> Sure as hell better than slashcode's upstream home. If you can call it that
[04:24:41] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: You know since I'm doing this anyway I could just make a pull request
[04:24:55] <crutchy> would be nice if git had file locks like subversion
[04:24:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, would not hurt my feelings even a little bit
[04:25:20] <Landon> ballsy, I know, but getting my website put in git
[04:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> careful though. it's addictive.
[04:25:22] <Lagg> I'm happy that me sending a patch wouldn't hurt your feelings.
[04:25:26] <Landon> as opposed to... no version control
[04:25:33] <Landon> (does automated backup count as version control?)
[04:26:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i started just picking up minor bugs and sending in pull requests and look what happened to me
[04:26:20] <crutchy> you got suckered in bad tmb :p
[04:26:34] <crutchy> you're in balls deep
[04:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[04:27:25] <Lagg> Pfft, I've been sending patches for so long that it's like posting in a forum for me. Except for that forums generally don't reject posts and hurt my feelings and scar me for life
[04:27:41] <Lagg> I will say though that github makes the whole thing very fun.
[04:28:04] <crutchy> i only really use github as a remote backup and time machine
[04:28:21] <crutchy> i don't expect anyone else is likely to wanna use it
[04:28:26] <crutchy> it = my code
[04:28:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. really simple ones you can do without testing don't even need to be pulled to your local machine.
[04:28:38] <Lagg> Ironically, I use it for everything except that.
[04:29:37] <Lagg> I'm in the process of moving everything over that I have from my own hosting at http://git.optf2.com to it, and can't move the tracker because it's automated and makes huge commits because Valve can't make up their minds on anything and when they do it's huge.
[04:29:38] <Cereal> ^ 03Lagg's labored lab
[04:30:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't alliteration awesome?
[04:31:41] <Lagg> Ain't ain't a word, hand in yer english card
[04:32:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> we beat em in two wars. last treaty had the right to abuse the language as we see fit in as a line item.
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[04:34:33] <SoyCow4561> Is the main site down?
[04:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but it's a tad flakey right now. refresh
[04:35:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> should load good then
[04:35:43] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: Heh, here's an idea. rsslink;misc;default line 15. s/rss/atom and bewm, problem solved
[04:35:59] <crutchy> works ok for me so far
[04:36:19] <crutchy> though that damn phone book poll is still there :/
[04:36:53] <crutchy> bang! just got a 503 again. refreshing...
[04:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, lol ya that'd do it. personally i think we'll probably end up having two buttons and multiple rel links
[04:37:18] * NCommander deep hrms
[04:37:19] <NCommander> Actually
[04:37:23] * NCommander debates doing something kinda insane
[04:37:25] <NCommander> >:-)
[04:37:41] <crutchy> hurl the pizza NC :p
[04:38:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> switching all the servers to gentoo tonight are we, NCommander?
[04:38:00] <Lagg> NCommander: s/rss/atom , DO IT
[04:38:01] <exec> syntax: 8[nick[:|,|>|.] ]s/pattern/replace[/[g]]
[04:38:10] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, nah, GNU HURD :-)
[04:38:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[04:38:18] <crutchy> !sudo slashd --pizza-mode
[04:38:29] <SoyCow4561> Error 503 Service Unavailable Service Unavailable Guru Meditation:
[04:38:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> do we have to call it gnu/slash/soylentnews then?
[04:38:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, my bad
[04:39:02] <crutchy> gnu/toejam/slash
[04:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> gnu/hurd/perl/slash/soylentnews
[04:39:58] <NCommander> I *really* wish I could understand the issue with helium's hangs
[04:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyCow4561, no love from hitting reload then?
[04:40:40] * crutchy checks out the window to see if there are any drop bears munching the phone line
[04:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably that extra proton always getting stuck on things
[04:41:12] <crutchy> back again
[04:41:32] <crutchy> poll booth is broken
[04:42:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, looks fine to me. 503?
[04:42:14] * NCommander tries slightly less drastic surgery
[04:42:16] <crutchy> yup
[04:42:25] <crutchy> when i click results
[04:42:43] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: Do the unit tests do template syntax checks
[04:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, these unit tests you speak of, what are they? =P
[04:43:13] <crutchy> bytram is our unit test framework
[04:43:40] <crutchy> though i wouldn't mind someday possibly getting into it a bit
[04:43:42] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: I just assumed that slashcode had them :/
[04:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be exceedingly nice. i'm all the time missing a bit of syntax and having to go figure out where.
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[04:45:08] <Lagg> That's perl in a nutshell
[04:45:10] <Lagg> Fucking perl
[04:45:18] <NCommander> Ugh
[04:45:22] <NCommander> I hate glitchly internet
[04:45:46] <Lagg> I might not be able to pull request after all if I have to mess with the flow control blocks, don't want to push something I can't test.
[04:46:07] <crutchy> lagg, i was thinking about using php for some unit testing. i've already got a little scripty that can login and post comments on SN (though for unit tests would be pointed to dev)
[04:46:31] <Lagg> Using PHP... To unit test perl...
[04:46:41] <Lagg> Are you an alien crutchy
[04:46:43] <crutchy> yeah. controlled from irc :p
[04:47:01] <crutchy> nah not to unit test perl
[04:47:15] <crutchy> to unit test some of the website features in general
[04:47:25] <Lagg> I can just imagine someone doing that. Using perl to generate PHP unit tests, or lard help us all the other way around
[04:47:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, if you can follow the code you're changing enough to change it, go ahead and brain-compile it. we can find typos well enough after.
[04:48:11] <crutchy> err. maybe you're talking about different sort of unit testing. either that or i'm from a different planet
[04:48:15] <Lagg> I think I can, the template syntax is just awful though so it's hard to be sure
[04:48:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> true that. i generally leave anything but minor changes to them to pj
[04:48:49] <crutchy> i'm prolly thinking more of general regression tests actually
[04:48:51] <Lagg> crutchy: Writing testcases, asserting conditions, see what fails and fix it, then repeat until all pass. That's unit testing
[04:49:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i tried to get him to write our paypal ipn daemon in php but he wasn't in the mood
[04:50:02] <crutchy> i can't even get my stupid bot to work. i can just imagine how i would go at writing a daemon for slash
[04:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> man you got like the most useful bot in here. bugs is just bugs.
[04:50:43] <Lagg> It's okay crutchy, I'd blame PHP before you
[04:50:53] * crutchy hugs his php
[04:51:00] <Lagg> I blame it for every problem in the world usually.
[04:51:07] <Lagg> It's the reason no one likes golden corn you know.
[04:51:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i did only ask him after i'd already written it in perl but i think the thought still counts.
[04:51:23] <crutchy> Lagg, what about if i admitted that i also like object pascal?
[04:51:36] <Lagg> I'd be okay with that
[04:52:03] <crutchy> cool. that's my favorite. php is the quick and dirty just make it happen tool :p
[04:52:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, i have to be up in five hours.
[04:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[04:52:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 603
[04:52:51] <crutchy> coffee++
[04:52:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 604
[04:52:55] <Lagg> Holy crap that karma
[04:53:03] <crutchy> poor ar is definitely losing the war against coffee
[04:53:11] <Lagg> WHO WOULD FIGHT COFFEE
[04:53:19] * TheMightyBuzzard points at ar
[04:53:27] <Lagg> FIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEENNNNNNND
[04:53:52] <crutchy> Lagg check out the karma of bacon in ##
[04:54:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm out folks. must get at least a few hours of sleep.
[04:54:43] <crutchy> cheers matey
[04:55:34] <Lagg> Not since the great canadian breakfast cookoff of '88 have I seen open affection for bacon of this magnitude
[04:56:16] <crutchy> oh bacon is revered here. almost as much as coffee
[04:56:22] <crutchy> !karma bacon
[04:56:22] <Bender> karma of bacon is 246
[04:56:50] <crutchy> bacon-flavored coffee...
[04:57:05] * crutchy googles
[04:58:02] <Lagg> Quick, someone highlight me
[05:00:02] <crutchy> Lagg
[05:00:05] <crutchy> ?
[05:00:15] <Lagg> Thanks. There's this really nifty trigger system that got added to this client that amounts to a DSL but for some reason they added a default trigger that writes a terminal beep when highlights or PMs occur. So for a while Iwas seeing screen flashes. Making sure that disabling it didn't disable the other highlight behaviors.
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[05:01:17] <crutchy> holy shit you can get bacon flavored condoms :/
[05:01:41] * crutchy will not be taste testing those
[05:02:19] <crutchy> 503 for SN again
[05:02:39] <SirFinkus> well, I rejoined at the right time I guess
[05:02:44] <SirFinkus> learned something about crutchy
[05:03:03] <crutchy> that i like bacon but not *that* much?
[05:04:00] * crutchy would be worried if his wife sprouted something to put said condoms onto
[05:08:59] <SirFinkus> lol
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[05:15:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Unh.
[05:16:24] <crutchy> ay focker
[05:17:50] <Ethanol-fueled> crutch-dawg, 'sup.
[05:18:25] <crutchy> doin some code and watching 'over the hedge' with the kids
[05:18:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Noice.
[05:18:37] <crutchy> you?
[05:18:50] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: I love you in a way that only a man can love another man. Also, anyone not in the US, what happens when you try to look at this video: https://www.youtube.com
[05:18:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Just got back from sister's 30th and grandma's 90th.
[05:18:51] <Cereal> ^ 03OneRepublic - Love Runs Out (Audio) - YouTube
[05:19:11] <crutchy> cool. nice food?
[05:19:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg, I don't listen to that effeminate crypto-Christian bullshit.
[05:19:23] <Ethanol-fueled> I also heard the frontman was a faggot.
[05:19:54] <Ethanol-fueled> And if you ain't Freddy Mercury or Rob Halford, don't bother being a homo in the music industry.
[05:19:55] <crutchy> my browser won't even open it so it must be pretty bad :p
[05:20:01] <Lagg> I have no idea what the track is or from and don't particularly care, I just selected it because it would appear that google is now bending over for several *AA knockoffs
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[05:20:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg - and nothing of value was lost. I can still see plenty of Freddie Mercury or Rob Halford on Jewtube.
[05:20:51] <Ethanol-fueled> You know, musicians who MATTER.
[05:21:02] <crutchy> had to do a killall iceweasel
[05:21:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Whatcha working on Crutchy?
[05:21:18] <Lagg> No, but if this continues they will be lost
[05:21:25] <crutchy> an irc chat chart thingy
[05:21:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Damn, crutchy, I want to be on your team.
[05:21:46] <Ethanol-fueled> can't code PHP for shit doe
[05:21:50] <Lagg> crutchy: Sorry for that, I didn't think the asshattery would be so high that it broke browsers :/
[05:21:56] <crutchy> lol
[05:22:24] <crutchy> what's your preferred language Ethanol-fueled?
[05:22:42] <Ethanol-fueled> the pussy languages -- Java and C#
[05:22:51] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: Actually come to think of it I've seen claims on hendrix so there's probably plenty on queen's too. Fucking parasites
[05:23:21] <crutchy> java is very popular so its ok. never used c# before but if it works
[05:23:36] <Lagg> I wish they'd at least tag videos according to which company puts a claim on it or something, getting real tired of this.
[05:23:38] <crutchy> php isn't exactly the darling of the programming world
[05:24:01] <Ethanol-fueled> PHP is web programming doe. You need to know it if you do anything on the net.
[05:24:17] <crutchy> or you could learn assp :p
[05:24:45] <crutchy> i'm not using it for web stuff lately. this script is just running in shell
[05:24:47] <Ethanol-fueled> haha, assp. Yeah, I could do that, but using Microsoft-only technology is usually a bad idea.
[05:24:51] <Landon> wha, you guys don't use C for your CGI scripts?
[05:24:55] <crutchy> nod nod
[05:25:16] <crutchy> Landon C is a bit too high level for me :D
[05:25:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Landon, some crazy bastards do web coding with C++.
[05:25:22] <Lagg> *low level
[05:25:31] <Ethanol-fueled> But C, fuck, the sonsabitches must be masochists.
[05:25:35] <crutchy> i prefer to code with doping chemicals :p
[05:26:00] <Landon> http://www.cs.tut.fi
[05:26:03] <Cereal> ^ 03Getting Started with CGI Programming in C
[05:26:11] <Landon> :)
[05:26:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Why would anybody do that, Landon?
[05:26:26] <Lagg> Even I wouldn't use C for writing web facing code and I'm in love with it
[05:26:42] <Landon> my websites all python
[05:26:49] <Landon> trying to get it somewhat modern though
[05:26:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Landon, do they look like shti?
[05:26:59] <Landon> which means using a real ide (not vim :( )
[05:27:04] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: yes :(
[05:27:20] <Landon> http://lfowles.org
[05:27:21] <Cereal> ^ 03Landon A. Fowles | lfowles.org
[05:27:27] <Landon> it's gone through a few iterations
[05:27:33] <Ethanol-fueled> I have to take a class this semester called "multimedia programming" and it's all done in python. What the fuck does that mean?
[05:27:36] <Landon> it used to be a straight copy of the pysg site
[05:28:00] <Landon> er, pisg
[05:28:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Not bad, Landon...but your "resume" link is indented
[05:28:15] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: It means you're going to memorize literature written by an incompetent author read by an incompetent professor and then proceed to write an essay on loading a wav file in word.
[05:28:16] <Landon> yep
[05:28:17] <Ethanol-fueled> is that to make it "stick out?"
[05:28:20] <Landon> it's under Contact
[05:28:28] <Lagg> and yes it will be in word because that's a course requirement you see.
[05:28:41] <Landon> really should do that so it's:
[05:28:42] <Landon> About
[05:28:43] <Landon> >Contact
[05:28:44] <Landon> >Resume
[05:28:51] <Landon> but I'm much too lazy to do an actual write p
[05:29:02] <Landon> Lagg: hey don't joke
[05:29:10] <Landon> my EE roommate had to do his C programming in Word
[05:29:11] <Lagg> I'm not joking, that's the worst part
[05:29:28] <Lagg> The state of academia in general when it comes to any kind of comp sci is abysmal
[05:29:42] <Ethanol-fueled> lagg - when doing the coursework for my associate's degree in computer science, a lot of it unfortunately was word + excel + access + VB as the core
[05:30:02] <Lagg> It's all about teaching students to memorize a book and java or PHP and then learn absolutely nothing about actual programming when they get pooped out with their degree
[05:30:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg, around here it's not bad. For example you need to take multivariable calculus to get a bachelor's.
[05:30:26] <Ethanol-fueled> many of the local universities also require 2 semesters of calculus-based physics.
[05:30:36] <Ethanol-fueled> some require GEN CHEM I and II.
[05:30:48] <Ethanol-fueled> greedy fucking bastards.
[05:30:48] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: The calculus is a course requirement for the same degree the programming class is?
[05:30:55] <crutchy> this guy's pretty good: https://www.youtube.com
[05:30:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg: Yes.
[05:30:56] <Cereal> ^ 03Lecture 24: eXtreme Programming - Richard Buckland - YouTube
[05:31:04] <Lagg> Sheesh, and I thought the community college here was the only one doing stupid shit like that
[05:31:05] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/08/09/230205
[05:31:12] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 NASA Demonstrates Decelerator - Essential for Manned Mission to Mars 04(6 comments):
[05:31:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh wait, no. Calc II is a requirement for bachelor's degrees around here. Not associate's.
[05:31:35] <Lagg> I feel pretty bad for students right now, that's why I encourage people to self-learn as much as possible
[05:31:41] <crutchy> nasa demonstrates? or just plans to demonstrate?
[05:31:58] <paulej72> Ok adjusted the varnish timeouts. If anyone sees 503 errors on the site let me know
[05:32:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg, agreed to some degree. Some assholes like me need to spend the money and be nagged so there's more at stake.
[05:32:17] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, care to eleborate on teh cause of the error 503's?
[05:32:43] <Lagg> Can't blame you for that, that piece of paper also helps sometimes.
[05:32:50] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: same, I needed to be nagged :)
[05:33:15] <crutchy> paulej72, i just got one
[05:33:20] <Ethanol-fueled> the piece of paper is a necessity where I live. Here in San Diego, there is a LOT of tech work but also a lot of assholes who want to live here.
[05:33:30] <crutchy> same as before... poll results page
[05:34:22] <Ethanol-fueled> You will never escape a technician-level position unless you have one, or unless nepotism or a super-good repuatation -- which means being good enough to be a consultant/contractor.
[05:34:28] <paulej72> crap
[05:34:34] <Lagg> There's starting to be a trend where companies actually (*gasp*) try to take actual skills into account instead of a degree or cert, hopefully that continues.
[05:36:02] <crutchy> paulej72, doesn't bother me though :)
[05:36:12] <Lagg> Look at it this way though Ethanol-fueled, if you're familiar with python at a basic level there's a chance you won't even have to bother with the homework
[05:36:37] <Lagg> Since oftentimes these professors don't ask for code even if they know how to read it and just check their teacher's edition for expected output.
[05:36:48] <crutchy> at least if you go to uni there's plenty of hot young bitches you can take advantage of :p
[05:37:44] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy -- I spent 10 years in community college and the best I got in school was being friendzoned once (though she did do all the homework and let me copy, and let me cheat from her tests). She was into me, but I had to rape her and I just couldn't do it.
[05:37:48] <Ethanol-fueled> (she was Serbian)
[05:38:03] <Lagg> They'll be on Ethanol-fueled like white on rye but he'll be pushing them away trying to write a post on soylent about gay russians or something
[05:38:04] <crutchy> dayam
[05:38:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Now from OK Cupid and my Friends' relatives, I got MAD pussy.
[05:38:14] <crutchy> lol
[05:38:14] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[05:38:57] <crutchy> ~define-add mad pussy, pussy with teeth
[05:38:58] <exec> definition for term "mad pussy" set to "pussy with teeth"
[05:39:14] <Lagg> I can't be humorous at all when I see "serbian" because once I accidentally saw A Serbian Film.
[05:39:21] <Ethanol-fueled> exec: I know I'm talking to a bot, but it seems the "vagina dentata" guy from Slashdot made it here.
[05:40:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg - so you know what I'm talking about. She told me straight-up that she was into rape, and wanted me to rape her in the bathroom at Seaport Villiage. She had a boyfriend back in Serbia, so she couldn't openly have sex with another man -- she had to be taken and compromised.
[05:40:18] <crutchy> eth, were you aware that exec is hooked up to urbandictionary?
[05:40:34] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, no, because i can't read PHP :)
[05:41:13] <crutchy> you could get a lot of use out of ~define :p
[05:41:23] <Ethanol-fueled> the funny thing was, removing the differences in regional dialect, I had the same name as her boyfriend :)
[05:41:35] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: That sounds like one of the most convoluted rape fantasies I've ever seen
[05:41:41] <crutchy> what's Ethanol-fueled is serbian?
[05:41:44] <crutchy> *in
[05:41:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg: it's pretty common in women.
[05:42:05] <Ethanol-fueled> even ones not from Serbia
[05:42:33] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, my origin is American Scots-Irish with some hispanic and native-American.
[05:42:45] <Lagg> Yes but they generally don't have a storyline that can be written into a novel
[05:43:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg - I told her that I wanted to lick the tears from her eyes as I raped her. But actually following through with it carries a huge risk in America.
[05:43:53] <Ethanol-fueled> She might have been sick enough to enjoy it and then charge me with it, and then I would have my sweet virgin ass gaped open by an angry Black man.
[05:44:15] <Lagg> Are you telling me that you were going to record it
[05:44:25] <Lagg> You silly little turd
[05:44:47] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm a sucker for Russian accents. And Serbian (or any of the Serbo-Croatian languages) sounds close-enough. Too bad they're all cold and demented bitches.
[05:46:21] <Lagg> To be serious though for a moment have you ever seen A Serbian Film Ethanol-fueled? It's... Not really akin to that scenario. This thing would make /you/ uncomfortable.
[05:47:16] <Lagg> I don't even want to call it a movie, even those jackasses that keep encouraging studios to make Saw movies would find it uncomfortable.
[05:47:55] <Lagg> and don't ask me how I accidentally saw it either. There are certain people who I don't trust to link me to videos anymore. Will leave it at that. :/
[05:48:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg: I haven't, but I've heard plenty about it.
[05:48:37] <Ethanol-fueled> So, lots of sadism, some of it sexual? Sounds pretty Serbian to me.
[05:51:43] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[05:51:52] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Crypto-guru Slams 'NSA-proof' Tech 04(15 comments):
[05:52:02] <Lagg> Cypto-guru
[05:52:54] <paulej72> crutchy: readjust varnish hopfully less 503’s but there may be a proxy server that is handing out 503 to you as well
[05:53:16] <paulej72> Lagg: just a random test article to see if Cereal picked up a 503
[05:53:18] <crutchy> i like 503's. they make me feel special :D
[05:53:53] <Lagg> So that's why the bot spits them out so often
[05:54:19] <crutchy> cereal isn't my bot
[05:54:32] <crutchy> still 503 for poll results page
[05:54:45] <crutchy> http://soylentnews.org
[05:55:00] <Cereal> ^ 04SN Poll : When was the last time you used a phone book? (31 comments; 381 total votes)
[05:55:06] <crutchy> ooh
[05:55:12] <chromas> sloow
[05:55:18] <chromas> oops 503 in the browser
[05:55:55] <paulej72> can you clear you local caches
[05:56:12] <chromas> Yeah
[05:56:20] <chromas> monopoly doesn't have a cache
[05:56:25] <crutchy> hi chromas
[05:56:25] <ciri> hello crutchy
[05:56:28] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: Sheesh, there are more feeds than I though here
[05:56:34] <chromas> hi crutchy, ciri
[05:56:34] <ciri> hey whats up chromas
[05:56:44] <crutchy> feeds?
[05:57:05] <crutchy> if you want feeds there's a bot in #rss-feeds that spits out links all day long
[05:57:35] <Lagg> I'm looking at the slashcode templates to figure out a nice way of including the atom feeds alongside the RSS one. I'm looking at the base linkrel template.
[05:57:53] <crutchy> i tried making a feeds script and it sorta worked but it was more annoying than useful
[05:57:59] <Lagg> There are about 9 different feeds, I thought there was only 3 or 4
[05:59:19] <paulej72> Lagg we just need to add an atom link to the bottom of the page. I could not find a good image that matched the one we had for rss, or it would have been done by now.
[05:59:55] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[05:59:56] <Cereal> ^ 03SoylentNews
[06:00:11] <Lagg> I can make one, would just be a matter of adjusting the hue to blueish
[06:00:40] <Lagg> Also there needs to be a link to the atom one in the linkrel stuff since people's feed readers tend to pick the first one there
[06:03:18] <paulej72> I did not even realize that link was there. easy enogug to add the atom link there. I could put it on top of the rss one easily enough
[06:07:18] <Lagg> I have it hardcoded for *.atom stuff but I wanted to do it like the rsslink one is for consistency. What do you have?
[06:10:27] * pbnjoe likes reading the chatter relating to progress
[06:11:04] <pbnjoe> :)
[06:11:33] <pbnjoe> also seeing it in action, like the new icons :D nice job everyone
[06:14:04] <crutchy> hear hear
[06:14:12] <crutchy> i'd up something but not sure who
[06:14:15] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++
[06:14:15] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 37
[06:14:19] <crutchy> paulej72++
[06:14:19] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 48
[06:14:20] <pbnjoe> paulej72++
[06:14:20] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 49
[06:14:25] <crutchy> NCommander++
[06:14:25] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 43
[06:14:26] <pbnjoe> Lagg++
[06:14:26] <Bender> karma - lagg: 3
[06:14:40] <crutchy> xlefay++
[06:14:40] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 58
[06:14:44] <pbnjoe> Azrael++
[06:14:44] <Bender> karma - azrael: 4
[06:14:52] <crutchy> pbnjoe++
[06:14:53] <Bender> karma - pbnjoe: 6
[06:14:58] <pbnjoe> :)
[06:15:05] <pbnjoe> crutchy++
[06:15:05] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 89
[06:15:13] <pbnjoe> oh wow I need to catch up
[06:15:14] <pbnjoe> haha
[06:15:26] <crutchy> pbnjoe++
[06:15:26] <Bender> karma - pbnjoe: 7
[06:15:27] <crutchy> pbnjoe++
[06:15:27] <Bender> karma - pbnjoe: 8
[06:15:44] <crutchy> if you troll enough it eventually builds up :p
[06:15:57] <crutchy> i think people up me just to shut me up sometimes
[06:16:01] <pbnjoe> that sounds wrong
[06:16:02] <pbnjoe> oh
[06:16:33] <pbnjoe> well, crutchy, your opinions are poor and you aren't the best dressed
[06:16:37] <pbnjoe> do I get karma now? ;)
[06:16:42] <crutchy> true that
[06:16:45] <crutchy> pbnjoe++
[06:16:45] <Bender> karma - pbnjoe: 9
[06:16:54] * pbnjoe 's eyes gleam
[06:16:57] <pbnjoe> I've learnt the secret
[06:17:15] <crutchy> i'm in my jarmies :p
[06:17:30] <crutchy> Konomi would be proud of me ;P
[06:17:32] <paulej72> [% skinname = skinname || gSkin.name %]
[06:17:33] <paulej72> [%- feed_type = feed_type || 'rss';
[06:17:35] <paulej72> IF (constants.rss_allow_index && (
[06:17:36] <paulej72> user.is_admin
[06:17:38] <paulej72> ||
[06:17:39] <paulej72> (constants.rss_allow_index > 1 && user.is_subscriber)
[06:17:40] <Lagg> Uh oh
[06:17:41] <paulej72> ||
[06:17:42] <paulej72> (constants.rss_allow_index > 2 && !user.is_anon)
[06:17:44] <paulej72> ||
[06:17:45] <paulej72> (constants.rss_allow_index > 3)
[06:17:47] <paulej72> ));
[06:17:48] <paulej72> %][% Slash.root2abs() %]/index.pl?content_type=[% feed_type %]&logtoken=[% Slash.getPublicLogToken() | strip_paramattr %][%
[06:17:50] <paulej72> ELSE
[06:17:51] <crutchy> its a perl pipe... RUN!!!
[06:17:51] <paulej72> %][% gSkin.rootdir %]/[% Slash.sitename2filename(skinname) %].[% feed_type %][%
[06:17:52] <paulej72> END;
[06:17:54] <pbnjoe> oh boy
[06:18:07] <Lagg> Wait, that's the same block that's already in the template isn't it?
[06:18:51] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, that hurts my eyes.
[06:18:58] <Konomi> I don't have pjs
[06:19:03] <Konomi> I just sleep with no clothes
[06:19:14] <paulej72> that is the perl template code that outputs the the rss link in the header
[06:19:21] <pbnjoe> birthday suits seem to fit quite comfortably
[06:19:51] <Ethanol-fueled> perl is gross. When Larry Wall dies, and SN inevitably posts an obituary as a story, I will ravage and destroy it.
[06:20:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Attacking anybody with positive comments.
[06:21:57] <Lagg> paulej72: Right, but I meant what did you have in terms of what you were doing, I already know what it looks like :/
[06:22:00] <Ethanol-fueled> perl, like python, in my workplace empowers the programmer to solve problems in the most half-ass way possible. "Let me magically type a few things, and now you all have to install Python/Perl"
[06:22:15] <Konomi> I will down vote everything you post arbitrarily like I usually do
[06:22:28] <Lagg> I mean should I just not even bother with making a var like rsslink and just directly put in index.atom in the href or what
[06:22:31] <paulej72> Oh we just change that to add atom above it.
[06:23:01] <Lagg> Also I made a button for atom with a 4 tuple colormap opposed to the orange one's 64.
[06:23:14] <Lagg> I will take my crown for king of optimization now
[06:23:37] <paulej72> can you fix the rss one as well. need both :)
[06:24:19] <Lagg> Sure, I wish I could figure out what font it's using though. The one I did for atom looks similar but I'm not sure. I thought it was just plain old sans serif
[06:25:01] <crutchy> ...and an apple. one of those next.
[06:25:25] <paulej72> Lagg the site logo uses the Ubuntu font.
[06:25:33] <paulej72> you could use that
[06:26:45] <crutchy> ~queue
[06:26:50] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 3
[06:26:50] <exec> *** http://soylentnews.org
[06:27:19] <pbnjoe> *SoylentNews engine starts sputtering*
[06:27:26] <pbnjoe> almost out of fuel
[06:28:03] <crutchy> might hop into #rss-feeds
[06:28:29] <crutchy> err. #rss-feed
[06:28:43] <crutchy> fk
[06:29:12] <crutchy> #rss-bot
[06:31:20] <Lagg> paulej72: It's definitely sans serif, just tested via overlay. Also I reduced the filesize from 500ish bytes to 110. Pointless microoptimization but goddamnit these buttons will load fast!
[06:31:45] <paulej72> Lagg
[06:32:37] <paulej72> the code to the link rel in the header is a bit more comlicated, but it is doable.
[06:32:57] <crutchy> Lagg maybe embed them in the html :p
[06:33:14] <crutchy> saves a http request
[06:33:18] <Lagg> crutchy: Was thinking that but I don't know the conventions that we're aiming for here.
[06:33:33] <Lagg> data URIs peppered all over the place tend to get ugly
[06:33:48] <crutchy> we're talking about slash here :p
[06:34:05] <paulej72> Lagg: looks like the code is in the linkrel;misc;default; template
[06:35:55] <everdred> Is anyone else currently getting 503 errors?
[06:35:58] <Lagg> Yeah, saw that. Notice though the template vars
[06:36:15] <pbnjoe> everdred, just loaded a page fine
[06:36:47] <Lagg> paulej72: Here's what I did for the footer: <a href="[% gSkin.rootdir %]/index.atom"><img src="[% constants.imagedir %]/atomicon.gif" width="36" height="14" alt="Atom feed"></a>
[06:37:00] <everdred> I still can't... "Guru Meditation: XID: 417983617 Varnish cache server"
[06:37:08] <crutchy> everdred only certain page. latest poll results for me
[06:37:11] <Lagg> paulej72: Note how I used a direct link instead of [% PROCESS rsslink %], that's what I'm not sure about. Are we aiming to have an atomlink var?
[06:38:00] <everdred> I see. I'm trying to view articles; getting said error on two different articles.
[06:38:09] <Lagg> or atomlink template, whatever you want to call it
[06:38:09] <crutchy> i don't think there's a list of template vars
[06:38:13] <crutchy> or is there?
[06:39:02] <paulej72> no I can use the rsslink, I just need to pass feed_type=atom to that template. I need to look up the correct way to to that though.
[06:39:30] <Lagg> Oh really? I didn't know you could pass arguments to PROCESS
[06:39:41] <paulej72> everdred: if you force relaod you should get the article.
[06:39:42] <Lagg> This is why I'm really lamenting not being able to test this
[06:39:48] <pbnjoe> everdred, crutchy: fwiw I can still load articles and the poll, though the poll was a bit slow to load
[06:40:05] <Lagg> crutchy: In this particular case it's not a variable so much as loading a template and substituting the result
[06:40:20] <crutchy> pbnjoe can you see this one: http://soylentnews.org
[06:40:23] <Lagg> I call it a variable because otherwise my head would explode from the ridiculousness of having a dedicated template for a single URL
[06:40:35] <Cereal> ^ 04SN Poll : When was the last time you used a phone book? (31 comments; 382 total votes)
[06:40:52] <crutchy> oh don;t do that cos then you'll need to make a database record too
[06:41:02] <crutchy> cos one copy just aint enough
[06:41:05] <pbnjoe> crutchy, yeppers
[06:41:35] <crutchy> my internet must be poo
[06:41:39] <Lagg> paulej72: I think I have something that passes it properly, would you be able to test if I were to create a pull request?
[06:42:00] <crutchy> Lagg there's always dev.soylentnews.org
[06:42:21] <paulej72> yes, but I am not in the tesing mood to night
[06:42:38] <Lagg> That's fine, will make pull request in a bit that includes the new buttons and such
[06:42:40] <paulej72> can do it tomorrow.
[06:42:47] <paulej72> sounds good
[06:42:51] <crutchy> for the next rollout
[06:43:10] <Lagg> crutchy: Is that running from the repo instance or?
[06:43:30] <crutchy> dunno. i only troll here :p
[06:43:52] <crutchy> i'm not staff
[06:45:06] <Lagg> I know, but I'd at least think that you know something about it since you're discussing with us :/
[06:45:36] <Lagg> Never going to trust you again now crutchy
[06:46:10] <crutchy> from my limited experience with the early version of the dev vbox, dev.sn.org is likely a local git repo of the slashcode github repo
[06:46:39] <crutchy> not sure who merges it though
[06:46:44] <crutchy> if that's the right word
[06:47:01] <crutchy> pulls mmaybe
[06:47:19] * crutchy is very nooby with git
[06:47:50] <crutchy> paulej72 is the man
[06:49:55] <paulej72> mostly TheMightyBuzzard, NCommander and I deploy different brances for testing on dev. It is sometimes our own branches, and sometimes SN master.
[06:50:23] <crutchy> Lagg, i only see the odd screen cap of what goes on with the servers. if you're interested in how it all works though, the guys aren't bad at updating the wiki: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[06:50:24] <Cereal> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews: This is a home for information about how SoylentNews.org was started, the vision for it, and discussion about it's future. ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[06:51:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Identifies Impact of Tobacco Lobbying - http://sylnt.us - crooks-and-liars
[06:51:48] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, it sounds like you need to dump the other guys in 55-gallon drums and BURN THEM ALIVE.
[06:51:57] <Ethanol-fueled> BAHAHAHHEEHEEHOOHOOHOOOO!
[06:52:18] <crutchy> pass the pipe eth
[06:52:32] <crutchy> gimme somma that shit
[06:52:59] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, it's the ethanol. but now that you mention it, the pipe ( "|") is here and must be sucked on.
[06:53:38] <Ethanol-fueled> I bequeath upon you all nerd music:
[06:53:39] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[06:53:40] <Cereal> ^ 03Stray Bullet - YouTube
[06:55:40] <Lagg> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard: Thar, pull request for the initial stuff sent. Can do the rest of the atom feed adds once that syntax is known to work.
[06:56:05] <paulej72> k
[06:59:22] <crutchy> you'll end up with a 'SN staff' tshirt if you not careful Lagg
[06:59:58] <Lagg> I'll be content with being able to put "Sent patches to make up for dragging ass on submissions" in my signature
[07:00:24] <arti> yeaaaa buddy
[07:01:36] <crutchy> hey arti
[07:01:42] <arti> g'day
[07:01:43] <ciri> hey whats up arti
[07:01:54] <arti> greetings ciri, trail mix be upon you
[07:02:04] <Lagg> Really is a shame that there are only 4 submissions there right now and I'm tapped out for any. Only reason I had that short burst in the beginning was because I was tired of Dice's shit to such a degree that I went looking for ANY other website
[07:02:19] <arti> it's got what plants crave
[07:02:19] <Lagg> Then just came across the stuff I sent
[07:02:31] <crutchy> regurgitator has gone to sleep in #rss-bot
[07:02:37] <arti> :D
[07:04:47] <Ethanol-fueled> NIGGERS.
[07:05:02] <chromas> is that what plants crave?
[07:05:14] <Ethanol-fueled> (aghast audience: Whaaaaa, oh, no!)
[07:05:26] <SirFinkus> CHINKS
[07:05:29] <SirFinkus> am I cool now?
[07:05:56] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: You realize that this channel is full of people who know you right? Whenever you say something stupid I just meh right on past it and don't even realize it's there.
[07:06:12] <Ethanol-fueled> lagg: don' givva fuk
[07:06:29] <Lagg> It's like being a miner, you just move right on past the rock into the gold. Ethanol-fueled gold
[07:06:50] <Ethanol-fueled> lagg, I don't play fucking games, so this is new to me.
[07:07:50] <Ethanol-fueled> suck me off, you faggotfucks.
[07:08:15] <Lagg> It's not new to me, even when I abandoned my slashdot account and went into lurking mode I still mined your posts for chewy nougat center.
[07:09:14] <Ethanol-fueled> that's too bad. But if you're mining Slashdot posts by that time, you're ditching the jews.
[07:09:48] <Lagg> I'm a freelancer Ethanol-fueled. I mine stupid for a living. You are level 1 to the outsourced shit's level 10. Get my meaning?
[07:10:30] <Ethanol-fueled> lagg, I'm dumb as fuck. no sense bothering with me, I'm a fucking retard.
[07:10:42] <Ethanol-fueled> duuuhhhh
[07:11:03] <crutchy> me too. gimme that vaccuum cleaner
[07:11:07] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[07:11:08] <Cereal> ^ 03Stray Bullet - YouTube
[07:11:20] <Ethanol-fueled> that is what will make you smart.
[07:11:32] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm dumb DUM.
[07:11:45] <Ethanol-fueled> dum da dum da dum dum
[07:11:47] <SirFinkus> my friend fucking loves kmfdm
[07:11:56] <Lagg> If you want me to stop bothering with you then quit hiding good points in your posts
[07:12:04] <crutchy> i like trains
[07:12:04] <exec> http://www.youtube.com
[07:12:07] <Ethanol-fueled> a-WHA>!!!
[07:12:48] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK YEAH KMFDM
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[07:14:33] <crutchy> miley cirus ftw!
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[07:16:09] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK OFFFFFFF FUCKERS>>>>W>W>W>W>W>W
[07:16:13] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHHAHAHAHAAHAAAHHAHAA
[07:16:58] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[07:16:59] <Cereal> ^ 03Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - The Voice of Love - YouTube
[07:17:16] <Lagg> Wait, how do you hit > and then W in quick succession like that
[07:17:19] <Subsentient> I'm going to submit this as a story: http://www.tgdaily.com
[07:17:28] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled, I must analyze you. You are why cavemen painted on walls
[07:17:29] <crutchy> dora_the_explorer++ https://www.youtube.com
[07:17:29] <Bender> karma - dora_the_explorer: 1
[07:17:30] <Cereal> ^ 03Dora the Explorer Movie Trailer (with Ariel Winter) - YouTube
[07:19:10] <Ethanol-fueled> This is what happens when people die\
[07:19:13] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[07:19:13] <Cereal> ^ 03Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - The Voice of Love - YouTube
[07:19:46] <crutchy> ~queue
[07:19:51] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 5
[07:19:52] <exec> *** http://soylentnews.org
[07:19:59] <crutchy> oh its raising
[07:20:18] <crutchy> baysplosion
[07:20:19] <exec> http://www.youtube.com
[07:20:24] <Lagg> 'bout time
[07:22:48] <Subsentient> Submitted
[07:23:20] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[07:23:21] <Cereal> ^ 03Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me ( Weird David Bowie ) - YouTube
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[07:28:57] <crutchy> we should develop a counter-attack AI, called w32.crapd
[07:39:51] <Ethanol-fueled> suggit fuggaS
[07:39:53] <Ethanol-fueled> BAAHAHAHAA
[07:40:00] <Ethanol-fueled> WHO WOUL
[07:43:17] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: you drunk again?
[07:44:21] <Ethanol-fueled> SUBSENTIENT: fuck off
[07:44:34] <Ethanol-fueled> bug off ya bloody sought
[07:44:37] <Subsentient> I take that as a yes.
[07:44:38] <Ethanol-fueled> sod
[07:44:39] <chromas> he $beer d too many times
[07:44:42] <arti> oh
[07:44:45] <Subsentient> $burrito Ethanol-fueled
[07:44:45] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Ethanol-fueled
[07:44:46] <arti> dude i have a link for you
[07:44:52] <arti> ethanol
[07:45:00] <Ethanol-fueled> bug off ya bloody sod
[07:45:18] <Subsentient> $burrito Ethanol-fueled
[07:45:18] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Ethanol-fueled
[07:45:37] <Ethanol-fueled> dirty fooking rotters
[07:45:44] <Subsentient> $burrito Ethanol-fueled
[07:45:44] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Ethanol-fueled
[07:45:45] * chromas gives Ethanol-fueled a handful of horse tranquilizers
[07:45:45] <Ethanol-fueled> cocksuckeras
[07:45:52] <Subsentient> $burrito Ethanol-fueled
[07:45:52] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Ethanol-fueled
[07:46:00] <Ethanol-fueled> SUCK ME OFF, FAGGOTS.
[07:46:00] <Subsentient> :^3
[07:46:07] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:46:08] <Cereal> ^ 03Big Man Tyrone On Bix Nood - YouTube
[07:46:18] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK YOU, YOU GODDAMMN NIGGERS
[07:46:22] <chromas> $burrito me
[07:46:29] <chromas> ~say $burrito chromas
[07:46:30] <exec> $burrito chromas
[07:46:30] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[07:46:41] <chromas> Mmmm
[07:46:42] <Ethanol-fueled> MY BIG DICK WILL aqu4 GAPE YOUR MOUTH OPEN
[07:46:48] <Ethanol-fueled> FULTHY FUCKS
[07:47:01] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: don't forget to increase the font size
[07:47:17] <arti> your slut check function needs better tests
[07:47:18] <aqu4> Ethanol-fueled: go chug an espresso you drunken chimp.
[07:47:22] <Ethanol-fueled> CHROMAS: OPEN YO0r VAGINA
[07:47:48] <Ethanol-fueled> SACKSUCKS. YOU WILLLLLL PUKE
[07:47:56] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: what will you put in it?
[07:48:15] <arti> make a wish for something fantastic
[07:48:16] <aqu4> Ethanol-fueled http://i0.kym-cdn.com
[07:48:19] <Ethanol-fueled> i'M GOING TO FALL ASLEEP NPOW.
[07:48:28] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK OFF FAGGOTS.
[07:49:07] <Popeidol> <3 u
[07:49:35] <Ethanol-fueled> SOD OFF YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS.
[07:49:38] <aqu4> Ethanol-fueled: Go dunk your head in ice water and slap yourself with a large trout a few dozen times.
[07:49:45] <Subsentient> Indeed.
[07:49:58] <Ethanol-fueled> AUA: i KNOW ABOUJT FISH.
[07:50:13] <aqu4> Yes, but you smell like shit.
[07:50:24] <Ethanol-fueled> ASUCK ME OFF, BITCHBOYS
[07:51:06] <Ethanol-fueled> i['M GOING TO DIE OUT.
[07:51:12] <Ethanol-fueled> bye bye
[07:51:24] <Ethanol-fueled> I will disappear
[07:51:46] <aqu4> coime back when sober Ethanol-fueled, not before.
[07:51:55] <arti> coime
[07:51:56] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck you niggerbnip[s.
[07:52:00] <arti> COIME GOYIM
[07:52:06] <Ethanol-fueled> you will be destroyed.
[07:52:09] <arti> itsatrap
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[08:29:38] <NCommander> WOOO
[08:29:40] <NCommander> I BROKE IT!
[08:29:45] <crutchy> yay
[08:29:48] <crutchy> NCommander++
[08:29:48] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 44
[08:30:28] <NCommander> I *really* broke it
[08:30:30] <NCommander> yeash
[08:30:47] * NCommander punchs the panic button
[08:32:19] <crutchy> !whoop
[08:32:57] <crutchy> hmm
[08:33:24] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:33:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 605
[08:33:27] <chromas> 503++
[08:33:27] <Bender> karma - 503: 1
[08:33:49] <crutchy> !woop
[08:33:49] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[08:34:20] <crutchy> DD++
[08:34:20] <Bender> karma - dd: 1
[08:35:24] <crutchy> we're moving SN all onto IRC
[08:35:41] <crutchy> developing a new IRC client called slashirc
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[08:46:04] <Konomi> yep it's brooen
[08:46:08] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[08:46:10] <Cereal> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[08:46:13] * Konomi starts panicing
[08:46:24] <Konomi> idk why Cereal is still getting the title
[08:46:27] <Konomi> that's some bad caching there
[08:46:53] <Konomi> now my life is empty and meaningly
[08:46:57] <Konomi> meaningless
[08:47:12] <Konomi> what else would I do with my time but read soylent
[08:47:19] <crutchy> hi konomi, wearer on no pjs
[08:47:19] <ciri> hi i'm happy today! :D crutchy
[08:47:26] <crutchy> *of
[08:47:48] <Konomi> ciri is so retarded every day is a happy day
[08:48:14] <crutchy> i share my crayons with it, but i try to give ciri the least chewed ones
[08:53:11] <chromas> Sometimes the page loads
[08:53:13] <chromas> it's loading now
[08:53:16] <chromas> in browser
[08:53:40] <Konomi> yay
[08:53:46] <Konomi> oohh new icons?
[08:54:04] <crutchy> and iphone corners
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[08:54:11] <chromas> 1997
[08:54:39] <crutchy> where's the minesweeper icon?
[08:55:26] <Konomi> that's for NCommander's next post!
[08:56:15] * Konomi hides
[08:56:32] <crutchy> beware of flying anvils
[08:57:40] <Konomi> slashcode so old need an anvil
[08:57:47] <Konomi> libanvil
[08:58:22] <crutchy> you should code it
[08:58:24] <crutchy> anvild
[08:58:47] <crutchy> it will be responsible for bonking slash on the head when it misbehaves
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[09:36:50] <crutchy> hi janrinok. how you been?
[09:36:50] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! crutchy
[09:38:44] <chromas> pipecode++ <— just to poke at NC :D
[09:38:44] <Bender> karma - pipecode: 2
[09:39:24] <Lagg> NCommander:
[09:39:33] <crutchy> i was on |. today and a couple of things didn't work
[09:39:49] * chromas gasps!
[09:39:56] <Lagg> Woops, accidentally tabbed in the wrong channel. Still not used to new client.
[09:40:21] * chromas can't go there anymore since the uids are hidden. How am I supposed to stroke my ego now?
[09:40:34] <crutchy> yeah i noticed that too. bummer
[09:41:00] <crutchy> maybe its going beta
[09:41:38] <crutchy> anyone into 80's music?
[09:41:54] * NCommander thinks he knows what's the problem
[09:41:58] <chromas> browser never remembers ma login info on |.
[09:42:01] * chromas %message%
[09:42:08] <chromas> (raises hand or something)
[09:42:45] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:42:46] <Cereal> ^ 03Above & Beyond - You got to go (Kebu remix) - YouTube
[09:42:49] <crutchy> moog++
[09:42:50] <Bender> karma - moog: 1
[09:43:00] <NCommander> SO slave mode is semi -borked
[09:43:01] <NCommander> Joy
[09:43:11] <chromas> racist
[09:43:14] <chromas> :D
[09:43:16] <crutchy> * Received a CTCP ACTION from chromas (to #Soylent)
[09:43:19] <NCommander> Fixed
[09:43:19] <crutchy> ???
[09:43:26] <NCommander> chromas, mysql slave/master mode
[09:43:40] <crutchy> chromas, are you probing me?
[09:43:42] <chromas> running two instances?
[09:43:57] <crutchy> should i lube up?
[09:45:00] <chromas> no
[09:45:06] <chromas> shouldn't have stood out
[09:45:11] <chromas> it's just a /me with no string
[09:45:23] <crutchy> ah
[09:45:31] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[09:47:02] * chromas %message%
[09:47:02] * chromas %message%
[09:47:03] * chromas %message%
[09:47:04] * chromas %message%
[09:47:10] <chromas> for crutchy
[09:48:20] <crutchy> holy shit: this is a lan party https://www.youtube.com
[09:48:20] <Cereal> ^ 03Kebu - Just Another Space Odyssey (Live @ Assembly 2013) - YouTube
[09:48:27] <chromas> midi++
[09:48:27] <Bender> karma - midi: 1
[09:50:10] <crutchy> looking like one of the goodies: priceless
[09:50:44] <crutchy> fat nerds dancing: err... pass
[09:51:20] <ar> huh
[09:51:23] <ar> 114702 chromas [~chromas@0::1] requested unknown CTCP ACTION from #Soylent:
[09:51:28] <ar> dafuck?
[09:51:35] <crutchy> chromas is probing you
[09:51:40] <ar> (yes, i know /me is CTCP ACTION)
[09:51:45] <chromas> lube up, ar
[09:51:48] <crutchy> you can borrow my lube if you want
[09:52:26] <chromas> for me it just shows it as an action with no string, as it should
[09:52:35] <chromas> your clients must be broken
[09:52:42] <crutchy> maybe ar is using xcrap like me
[09:54:02] <crutchy> chromas is really a bot running on the NSA's prism system
[09:54:24] <crutchy> sent to part us from our tinfoil hats
[09:54:50] <ar> crutchy: nope, i'm not
[09:55:00] <ar> hm
[09:55:13] * ar
[09:56:27] <chromas> looks normal for me, ar
[09:56:35] <crutchy> normal here to
[09:56:37] <chromas> /do
[09:56:37] * Cereal
[09:56:44] <crutchy> s/to/too
[09:56:45] <exec> <crutchy> normal here too
[09:56:45] <chromas> apparently that's somehow different
[09:57:02] <crutchy> <chromas> /do
[09:57:02] <crutchy> * Cereal
[09:57:09] <crutchy> looked normal
[10:02:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Macy's Conviction In Death Of Employee To Be Expunged, Probation to be Terminated - http://sylnt.us - slap-them-on-the-other-wrist-too
[10:19:39] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:19:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 606
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[11:28:36] <chromas> Pandora needs a "rewind"
[11:33:32] <crutchy> pandora?
[11:33:54] <crutchy> i hear she has a nice box
[11:39:30] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[11:39:32] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 6:39 am CDT - Chicago, IL, USA
[11:42:34] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[11:48:55] <chromas> It is at first. The problem is she won't close her box until it's beat and well worn
[11:55:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:55:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 607
[12:02:05] <crutchy> coffee++ just about sleepy time for me
[12:02:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 608
[12:02:11] <crutchy> morning TheMightyBuzzard
[12:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> evenin
[12:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> site more or less behaving now?
[12:10:43] <ar> (Screaming Females)++
[12:10:43] <Bender> karma - (screaming females): 1
[12:10:57] <ar> https://www.youtube.com
[12:10:58] <Cereal> ^ 03Garbage & Screaming Females - Because The Night (Official Video) - YouTube
[12:14:44] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: No - I've got about 7 - 10 second delays in pages being found. If you don't log in then it is much quicker. It looks like it might be the Varnish Cache, as it generated 503s earlier and now only affects those who log in.
[12:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds about par for the course
[12:16:17] <crutchy> what was the name of that kickass performance metrics site that NCommander used?
[12:16:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess we were due a good breaking of something though. everything'd been running too smoothly
[12:16:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, not a clue
[12:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj should be up and about shortly and hop back on fixing it though
[12:20:18] <janrinok> It makes editing a bit tedious - refreshing the page to check one's work is becoming a bit of a drag :)
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[12:22:55] <NCommander> janrinok, I thought I fixed that
[12:23:18] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[12:26:08] <janrinok> Yep, you did, but it has come back again...
[12:26:23] <Bytram> janrinok: hi! Which one is that?
[12:27:45] <janrinok> Bytram: Hi, the site is up but I am getting very slow response times - 6-10 second to find a page - although the earlier 503s have now cleared.
[12:27:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> so the question is, are the webservers being slow for logged in users or is varnish being slow fetching pages from them?
[12:28:08] <crutchy> this one doesn't look familiar but it was used in march when still had jquery shit : http://tools.pingdom.com!/dcwson/http://soylentnews.org
[12:28:08] <Cereal> ^ 03Website speed test
[12:28:41] <Bytram> maybe Varnish needs a good shellacking? ;)
[12:29:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nice
[12:29:39] <Bytram> btw, I've got mod points... Please let me know if you see any badly-modded comments.
[12:30:04] <janrinok> The website test says the front page was returned in 1.54 seconds.
[12:30:31] <janrinok> ... but that doesn't match up with real-world usage of the site.
[12:30:36] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:30:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 609
[12:30:46] <crutchy> hi bytram! i post ac so doesn't bother me if i get downmodded
[12:30:50] <Bytram> speaking of which... brb
[12:31:39] <janrinok> page refreshing during editing is currently 8 seconds
[12:31:51] <crutchy> janrinok, its a lot slower than the test for me too
[12:32:18] <crutchy> anyway night folks
[12:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nite
[12:33:05] <janrinok> sleep well crutchy
[12:36:25] <Bytram> crutchy: hi! Bye!
[12:38:08] <Bytram> I've got a slow connection, but it took about 10 seconds to refresh the main page; interestingly enough, refreshing the "Stories" page for editors only took about 4 seconds.
[12:38:11] <Bytram> :/
[12:38:12] <Lagg> You guys are padding the coffee karma
[12:38:15] <Bytram> brb laundry
[12:38:22] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:38:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 610
[12:38:22] <Lagg> Now I know the secret ever since I imported my highlights
[12:38:36] <janrinok> lol
[12:38:50] <Lagg> Why do you need to pad it, is coffee not able to stand on its own? FOR SHAME
[12:40:58] <janrinok> I'm a tea man myself - I have enough problem sleeping as things are!
[12:41:45] <Lagg> Caffeine has never done anything to me, I just drink it for the taste. I wish it did though
[12:42:24] <Bytram> Lagg: nah... no padding required! The natural effects of the beverage permits faster and more frequent increments
[12:52:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FAA Bans 'Uber for Planes' Startups - http://sylnt.us - are-pilots-allowed-to-accept-'gifts'?
[13:02:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bad Reviews? Fine your Guests! - http://sylnt.us - excellent-customer-service
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[13:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, i should know better than to run off and leave minecraft running.
[13:25:59] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hmmm anagram(MineCraft) ~= CrimeRaft
[13:26:10] <Bytram> not quite, but close. :/
[13:26:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> lock-up-my-damned-desktop-craft
[13:28:14] <Bytram> LOL
[13:28:15] <ciri> rofl
[13:28:24] <Bytram> LOL
[13:28:43] <Bytram> ciri: cat got your tongue?
[13:29:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, 503s all over the place
[13:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> front page, fast as hell. older discussions on m2 that i need to read through and consolidate, 503
[13:31:18] <Bytram> ugh. brb
[13:35:56] <Bytram> I took a quick look at icinga and I don't see anything obvious. :/
[13:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> same old issue from last night. anything varnish has to hit a webserver for times out and 503s.
[13:38:52] <Bytram> hmmm. so, once the story has loaded into varnish, we're good?
[13:39:02] <Bytram> I can expedite that.
[13:40:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically
[13:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> but we can't realistically load every story into varnish
[13:46:00] <Bytram> nod nod; but at least we can hit all of the last couple days.
[13:46:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> search, preferences, info, all will still be non-working
[13:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless they've been cached for that user anyway
[13:47:32] <Bytram> nod nod; but... this'll at least hit the low-hanging fruit
[13:47:42] <Bytram> should be done in another 10-15 secs
[13:47:52] <paulej72> wtf
[13:48:18] <Bytram> okay... I just hit all stories from 08/15 .. 08/17
[13:48:20] <juggs> well summarised paulej72 :D
[13:48:37] <Bytram> wouldn't be a normal upgrade without a couple of hiccups
[13:49:08] <Bytram> :/
[13:49:12] <Bytram> back in 5 minutes
[13:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, any way to bypass varnish for testing?
[13:50:20] <paulej72> Not easily.
[13:50:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh
[13:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:50:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 611
[13:58:05] <Bytram> http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[13:58:07] <Cereal> ^ 03Hubble stirs up galactic soup -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[14:01:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> well now that's weird
[14:01:18] <Bytram> what's that?
[14:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, doublechecking something
[14:02:17] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:03:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> try the same data with some post information that's not being used and it serves up the error page lickity split
[14:03:35] <paulej72> can some with varnish issues check now and let me know if it is better
[14:04:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, same same
[14:04:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, if I added "&foo=bar" to an HTML POST, it 503's??
[14:05:22] <Bytram> IOW: good: http://soylentnews.org bad: http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, no that's still a get request
[14:05:33] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Macy's Conviction In Death Of Employee To Be Expunged, Probation to be Terminated 04(6 comments):
[14:05:33] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Macy's Conviction In Death Of Employee To Be Expunged, Probation to be Terminated 04(6 comments):
[14:05:35] <Bytram> testing
[14:06:12] <Bytram> oh. Doh!
[14:06:14] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:06:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 612
[14:08:20] <juggs> yuckity yuck - 503s all over the place now :(
[14:09:53] <paulej72> how about now
[14:09:53] <ciri> you talking to me?
[14:10:11] <paulej72> stoped fluorine for now
[14:11:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> still no dice
[14:11:23] <juggs> paulej72, still 503 on https://soylentnews.org https://soylentnews.org https://soylentnews.org https://soylentnews.org
[14:11:28] <juggs> as examples
[14:12:00] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Open Letter to the Linux World (or the Ongoing initd and systemd Debate) 04(108 comments):
[14:12:00] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Always Record Customer Service Calls 04(31 comments):
[14:12:00] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Germany Breaks Renewables Record, Again 04(30 comments):
[14:12:00] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 NSA Too Incompetent to Follow Trail of Breadcrumbs Purposely Left by Snowden 04(39 comments):
[14:12:28] <juggs> hmm... how come Cereal can grab the page titles if they are returning 503 to users?
[14:12:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> load balancing
[14:12:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[14:13:18] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03Guru Meditation: 04(15077935</p> comments):
[14:13:20] <juggs> lol that 503s for me as well :D
[14:13:20] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[14:13:28] <juggs> no ciri - it's not :P
[14:13:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ciri, die in a fire
[14:13:53] <juggs> TheGrumpyBuzzard strikes back!
[14:14:02] <Bytram> hmmm: http://soylentnews.org http://soylentnews.org http://soylentnews.org http://soylentnews.org
[14:14:04] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Open Letter to the Linux World (or the Ongoing initd and systemd Debate) 04(108 comments):
[14:14:04] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Open Letter to the Linux World (or the Ongoing initd and systemd Debate) 04(108 comments):
[14:14:04] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Open Letter to the Linux World (or the Ongoing initd and systemd Debate) 04(108 comments):
[14:14:04] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Open Letter to the Linux World (or the Ongoing initd and systemd Debate) 04(108 comments):
[14:14:06] <paulej72> OK how about now
[14:14:26] <juggs> No Guru Meditation error
[14:14:28] <juggs> But..
[14:14:30] <juggs> #503 Service Unavailable
[14:14:30] <juggs> No server is available to handle this request.
[14:14:38] <juggs> :-/7
[14:14:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> still 503 but much faster 503
[14:14:43] <juggs> :D
[14:15:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> strangely, worked fine for http rather than https
[14:15:52] <paulej72> what pages are you seeing these on
[14:16:00] <juggs> hmmm - working now for me over https
[14:16:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> now good on https
[14:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://soylentnews.org
[14:16:11] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 A Pressing Question: Why Did You Lurk? 04(279 comments):
[14:16:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and https://soylentnews.org
[14:16:29] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Moderation: Discussing !(post^moderate) 04(137 comments):
[14:16:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> and https://soylentnews.org
[14:16:44] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Keeping The Signal/Noise Ratio High 04(169 comments):
[14:16:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> all appear happy now though
[14:17:11] <Bytram> hmmm, just noticed that the 'Older Stuff' slashbox has only ONE day's stories in it. doubt that's a factor, but there it is FWIW
[14:17:14] <paulej72> OK seems that hydrogen is having the hissy fit.
[14:17:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[14:17:59] <paulej72> onlder stuff only show x number of articles
[14:18:54] <Bytram> paulej72: yup, but bugs tend to lurk where things transition in/out of existence
[14:19:03] <Bytram> things seem better atm
[14:20:00] <paulej72> going to do some updtes on hydrogen and reboot
[14:20:01] <Bytram> *much* better!
[14:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> so fluorine is good but hydrogen hath shat itself?
[14:20:28] <Bytram> paulej72: what was wrong? / What did you do to fix it?
[14:21:10] <paulej72> I shutdown slash on hydrogen. Flourine is handeling all frontend web hosting
[14:22:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> go fluorine! show hydrogen how dat shiz be done n maybe it'll straighten its act up.
[14:23:08] <Bytram> thanks! that's strange for sure.
[14:23:23] * Bytram what we have here is a failure to communicate?
[14:27:28] <Popeidol> when I read these conversations, I like to think you're talking about the actual elements.
[14:27:51] <Popeidol> 'flourine is handling all the front end web hosting'
[14:27:58] <Popeidol> 'hydrogen is having a hissy fit'
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[14:35:38] <Bytram> sea: hiya!
[14:35:56] <sea> If I'd like to submit an 'Ask SoylentNews' story, all I have to do is submit as usual with 'Ask SoylentNews: ' prepended to the title, right?
[14:35:58] <sea> and Hey Bytram
[14:36:03] <paulej72> OK I have hydrogen updated and rebooted
[14:36:23] <Bytram> paulej72: k; checking...
[14:36:33] <paulej72> I am going to start slash here and stop it on fluorine
[14:36:42] <TheMightyLaptop> sea, basically.
[14:37:01] <TheMightyLaptop> fingers crossed
[14:38:09] <paulej72> well tht is not working
[14:38:14] <juggs> newp
[14:38:35] <TheMightyLaptop> least the problem is narrowed down to hydrogen though
[14:38:48] <juggs> I have a lit match if that helps at all?
[14:39:02] <juggs> "pop" goes hydrogen :D
[14:39:10] * juggs slopes off elsewhere
[14:39:12] <TheMightyLaptop> afk a few while i relocate
[14:39:20] <Bytram> sea: yup, that *should* do it, but you might want to write it off-line and paste it into the submission form... we're having some site issues at the moment
[14:39:32] <sea> Yeah I notice..
[14:39:45] <sea> I was just trying to look at a previous submission and it went pewf before my eyes
[14:40:21] <Bytram> NYSINYD
[14:40:46] <Bytram> sea: did you try hitting 'Back' in your browser? sometimes that works for me.
[14:41:05] <Bytram> that is, when I'm trying to submit something and I get an error.
[14:41:19] <sea> Oh, I'll just wait until you fix things.
[14:41:57] <paulej72> fluorine back up as only server
[14:42:04] <paulej72> should be stable now
[14:42:05] <Bytram> k
[14:43:05] <sea> That's nifty. You named them after elements. Did you name them in atomic number order?
[14:43:34] <Bytram> not 'xactly
[14:44:37] <paulej72> dbs are nobel gases. production fontends are more reactive elements
[14:45:43] <Bytram> Ahhh! that helps a lot... didn't see that connection before.
[14:50:08] <janrinok> Am I on the correct site? This one updates in less that a second....
[14:50:15] <janrinok> than a second*
[14:50:19] <janrinok> :)
[14:50:39] <Bytram> janrinok: you're just experiencing time dilation =)
[14:51:07] <janrinok> I think that's what the doctor said too - before he burst out laughing at my manhood....
[14:51:29] <Bytram> doctor who?
[14:51:31] <Bytram> =)
[14:51:38] <janrinok> no he starts again next week!
[14:51:46] <Bytram> ggle
[14:51:50] <Bytram> giggle
[14:51:57] <janrinok> I understood the abbrv
[14:52:29] <sea> Okay, all set. Time to attempt posting.
[14:52:30] <Bytram> gd! gld to hr t!
[14:52:36] <janrinok> so we know how we have fixed it - but not why. Is that correct?
[14:53:11] <janrinok> sea: go ahead I'll edit it as soon as I see it!
[14:55:01] <Bytram> janrinok: slacker! You should edit it before you see it -- time dilation, remember?
[14:55:03] <Bytram> ;)
[14:55:21] <janrinok> Yep - I'm getting too old!
[14:56:07] <Bytram> yup, mi two!
[14:56:30] <Bytram> hmm: http://feedproxy.google.com
[14:56:42] <sea> Hm, I should have rearranged the title.
[14:56:59] <sea> Anyway, the editors will deal with that, I guess.
[14:57:18] <Bytram> we can do that for you; what dew ewe wont it two bee?
[14:58:12] <sea> I think the title was too long. The important words are cut from the 'submissions list'
[14:58:25] <Bytram> lemme see
[14:58:51] <sea> Look at the most recently submitted submission to be submitted by the submitter named sea.
[14:58:59] <Bytram> looks fine to me: "Ask SoylentNews: Know of any good resources on niche network topologies? "
[14:59:07] <Bytram> janrinok: I got this one
[14:59:54] <janrinok> OK its yours
[15:00:06] <Bytram> sea: question: "By 'niche' I mean those that are suited only for a very specific algorithm."
[15:00:17] <Bytram> do you have anything particular in mind? can you provide any details?
[15:00:30] <sea> Yeah I have an example, let me see..
[15:03:25] <sea> Okay, Hrm. Suppose you wanted to solve an enormous copy of the traveling salesman problem, and you had a few hundred thousand nodes
[15:03:45] <Bytram> whoa! THAT got my attention!
[15:04:15] * TheMightyLaptop gets to massive reading of back discussions of m2
[15:04:51] <sea> You could 'partition' the graph into pieces, so that each node had a large set to deal with all on its own, but where the nodes themselves were still connected together in a smaller TSP graph
[15:05:37] <sea> Then it's a lot easier to run one of the algorithms like, say, that one where you run a whole load of virtual ants across the graph
[15:06:22] <sea> Each node has a few cities contained in it, so ants traveling between them have high performance overall, and each node is 'adjacent to' (in the physical network) other nodes that (in the TSP graph) are 'relatively close' to each other.
[15:06:58] <sea> So it minimizes the delay. You don't have weird issues like having to send messages from one side of your cluster to another to notify another node that you're sending an 'ant' across there.
[15:07:26] <Bytram> wouldn't you run afoul of hitting local minima, but when collected all together, fail to find the optimal solution?
[15:07:35] <sea> Yeah, that's an example of a niche topology. You construct your network /specifically/ to deal with the problem at hand. There are others as well, such as special cases of DHT made to deal with very particularly structured data, and so on
[15:08:28] <sea> The ant thing manages to find 'good enough' solutions reasonably quickly, but it doesn't find the optimum usually. The point is that you can run it on a network like this very quickly, even if the graph is massive
[15:08:28] <Bytram> so, do you know a priori that this subsetting of the graph does not cause 'problems'
[15:08:35] <Bytram> if so, how?
[15:08:47] <Bytram> oh, nvm
[15:09:24] <sea> It's just an optimization. You make the network an actual copy of the cities, and then you sort of compress it down, because 1 node can handle more than 1 city at a time.
[15:09:45] <Bytram> so, you're not so much trying to solve for the *optimum* solution, but for a *good enough* solution (for some definition of 'good enough')
[15:10:12] <sea> Yeah. The actual problem is constructing the cluster, though.
[15:10:44] <Bytram> I'm a programmer -- that's a hardware problem. =)
[15:10:47] <sea> You want to know how you should interconnect the nodes so that messages don't need to be flung around from one side of the network to another very often, and where you won't be using kilometers of cable
[15:10:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:11:09] <sea> It's a software problem, too. Distributed systems also need to know how their nodes should be interconnected.
[15:11:27] <Bytram> yeah, I was just kidding.
[15:11:33] <sea> You don't want your P2P messages from node A to node B going all the way around the world when your neighbor node is next door.
[15:11:44] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:11:45] <sea> Ah, right
[15:12:43] <sea> Anyway, you read a lot about hypercube interconnects and toroidal networks and so on, but there must be a lot more that you /don't/ hear about, and I'd like to know about them
[15:14:29] <Bytram> okay, got it.
[15:14:36] <sea> great
[15:14:37] <Bytram> am working that in right now.
[15:18:17] <janrinok> gtg for an hour or two - cul8r guys
[15:18:37] <Bytram> janrinok: k; thanks for everything!
[15:18:43] <janrinok> nick janrinok|afk
[15:19:37] <Bytram> sea: okay, another way to look at it is that each node is concerned with routes within city limits and the links between nodes represent routes between cities?
[15:19:57] <Bytram> not the best wording, but thinking out loud here.
[15:21:01] <sea> hrm, in that case you'd say that each node is concerned with 'all cities in this small geographic region over here', and the links between nodes represent borders of geographic regions
[15:21:36] <Bytram> IOW: city-level routes would apply for ground-based transportation (trucks) and inter-city links could be air-based routes (planes).
[15:21:57] <sea> well if you have a problem like that, then yeah that would work too
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[15:22:22] <Bytram> I think we're talking about the same thing; I'm just trying to find the right words.
[15:22:58] <sea> maybe a better example of a niche network would be a hyper-torus
[15:23:15] <Bytram> okay...
[15:23:28] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[15:23:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 613
[15:23:31] <sea> If you take the product of two circles, you get a torus. You can add more circles into the mix, though, and you get weirder shapes
[15:23:51] * Bytram has some idea of a hyper-cube; not so much of a hyper-torus
[15:24:11] <sea> Just imagine this, you know those old 2D RPG maps where you run off one end and you end up on the opposite side of the map?
[15:24:21] <Bytram> yuppers
[15:24:43] <sea> That's a torus. There are 2 circles in there. The east-to-west circle, and the north-to-south one. Together they make a 2D space that 'wraps around'
[15:24:58] <Bytram> okay, I got that!
[15:25:22] <Bytram> stack 'em and then up/down wrap as well.
[15:25:31] <sea> If you add another circle you get a strange 3D space that's kinda weird to imagine. You can do the same east-to-west and north-to-south wrapping around when you travel, but you can also travel UP and DOWN, and if you go far enough UP, you end up at the lowest level, and vice versa
[15:25:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:25:52] <Bytram> no problem with that, either.
[15:25:56] <sea> Anyway you can add as many as you like to have as many 'dimensions' as you like. The point though is that circles are REALLY GOOD for searching data.
[15:26:18] <Bytram> so, do you want to start stacking these hyper toruses into their own hyper loops?
[15:26:38] <sea> Uh, no. Only one will do. If you want to search for data on multiple keys, rather than just 1, you use a hyper torus.
[15:27:08] <sea> If you have just 1 search key, a circle will do. That's a DHT, and that's how searching in a DHT works.
[15:27:29] <Bytram> whoops. hold on. keys... == direction? And what is a DHT?
[15:27:34] <sea> If you have 2 keys, a torus will do. You search the first DHT until you find the first key, then you search the second 'dimension' (north/south) until you hit the second.
[15:27:44] <Bytram> ok.
[15:27:56] <Bytram> third key would be up/down
[15:28:16] <sea> If you know what you're doing you can search for data really quickly like that.
[15:28:27] <Bytram> hmmm, sounds like fun!
[15:28:30] <sea> and this is for distributed systems, so naturally it's great for absolutely massive data sets
[15:28:46] <Bytram> ok, thinking. brb
[15:28:54] <Bytram> give me a couple minutes
[15:28:57] <sea> mhm
[15:33:40] <Bytram> okay.... what's a DHT?
[15:34:02] <Bytram> discrete hyper torus?
[15:34:04] <mrcoolbp> Dynamic Hyper Torus?
[15:34:11] <sea> Distributed Hash Table, actually
[15:34:15] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:34:29] <Bytram> ah. ok.
[15:34:33] <sea> It's a fancy way of mapping 'keys' to a 'space', so that you can find your data easily just by looking in the 'neighborhood' or 'vicinity of' the place where the thing you're looking for 'should be'
[15:34:59] <Bytram> I think I've got the idea; let's try this on for size:
[15:35:03] <sea> You don't need to search the whole world for a macaw, for example. It's a tropical bird. You know that you only need to search the tropics, and even then, only the rainforests.
[15:35:13] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:35:15] <TheMightyLaptop> ye flipping gods there were a lot of ideas on m2
[15:35:16] <sea> So the earth is a DHT of animals.
[15:36:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yuh.
[15:36:11] <sea> It's really fast, too. It's the reason you can search the entire bittorrent network for your magnet link in just a few seconds flat.
[15:36:13] <Bytram> there's one now =)
[15:38:26] <Bytram> sea: okay; how's this: torus == RPG which wraps N/S and E/W -- picture that as one 'floor' in a building. Hyper-Torus connects 'floors' in that buiding Up/Down. One building == one node.
[15:38:52] <sea> It's actually 1 room = 1 node
[15:39:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: might also consider looking at the other site and see what they are actually using atm
[15:39:12] <sea> Or n rooms = 1 node, in the case where you don't have enough nodes.
[15:39:52] <Bytram> sea: okay, so you have some really big rooms. =)
[15:40:12] <sea> Bytram: Suppose you want to search for an mp3 file. You take the md5 hash of it, which is just a big number, and call that your 'latitude' on a 2D RPG world map.
[15:40:31] <Bytram> ok
[15:40:40] <sea> Go to that latitude, and ask the node standing there if it has your file. If it doens't have it, you're done searching, if it does have it, you're done searching.
[15:41:01] <sea> You only have to search one node, see?
[15:41:01] <Bytram> huh?
[15:41:19] <Bytram> thinking...
[15:41:41] <Bytram> so what's the longitude for?
[15:41:47] <sea> Whenever a node gets an mp3 file, it hashes it, calculates what latitude the file 'belongs to', and passes it to its neighbor so that the file eventually gets there.
[15:41:56] <sea> The longitude is for a second key, if you need one.
[15:42:19] <Bytram> oh? Oh. oooooh. *REALLY* big rooms!
[15:42:27] <sea> Yeah, but that's the problem. The rooms are HUGE
[15:42:45] <sea> So to reduce the size of the rooms you add a second key, call it 'longitude', and you add more nodes in that 'direction'
[15:43:10] <sea> So now you have to search twice. You search once to find the right latitude, then again to find the right longitude, and if there's a node standing there, you query it.
[15:43:40] <Bytram> sea: simple; make the rooms smaller; split the hash into byte-sized keys, and navigate: firstbyte: E/W, secondbyte: N/S, thirdbyte: U/D ...
[15:43:42] <TheMightyLaptop> Bytram, i'm still slashcotting the other site
[15:44:07] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, me too, but once in a while I go take a look to check on my memory.
[15:44:18] <sea> Bytram: Yeah, that's the same solution. You split the key up and add more dimensions to your space
[15:44:37] <Bytram> sea: Really? Yeah! Okay, I got that.
[15:45:23] <sea> Now each node represents one 'point' in that space. (or more than one point, since points can migrate across nodes in case one node fails and so on)
[15:45:58] * TheMightyLaptop thinks he has most of the high points collected
[15:45:59] <Bytram> so, fourthbyte: next building E/W; fifthbyte: next building N/S, sixthbyte: next building U/D. Byte == whatever subset of the key you are searching.
[15:46:07] <sea> You want to make sure that the nodes are physically connected up so that they can each communicate with each other (because they have to move the files around on node failure or to get the files to the right 'coordinates'), but you don't want the messages to have high latency
[15:46:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: might be good to gather 'em in one place to help sort them all out and plan.
[15:46:36] <TheMightyLaptop> Bytram, s'what i'm doing.
[15:46:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:46:43] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 38
[15:46:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:46:45] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 39
[15:46:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:46:46] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 40
[15:47:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: on the wiki?
[15:47:16] <TheMightyLaptop> issues thing for now
[15:47:17] <Bytram> sea: okay, I follow you there.
[15:47:21] <Bytram> k
[15:47:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: works for me.
[15:47:51] <TheMightyLaptop> wiki is too hard to navigate really. no really good index page.
[15:47:56] <sea> You just used 6 keys there, so you made a 6-dimensional space. Which is all well and good, but that will be a wiring nightmare in hardware in our 3-dimensional world.
[15:49:25] <Bytram> sea: I'm thinking along the lines of: row/column addressing in memory == E/W and N/S; different memory stick == U/D; and that's all in one node.
[15:50:14] <Bytram> obviously, you're talking about a larger data set than that, but it's logically equivalent, right?
[15:50:23] <sea> Yeah, pretty much
[15:50:28] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:51:04] <Bytram> okay... "node". Are we talking about a 'blade' with everything in memory?
[15:51:08] <sea> anyway, since you want to move data around the 'rpg world map', you want to make sure that the data always migrates along the shortest path
[15:51:22] <sea> If you want. Try thinking of a dozen blades or so
[15:51:45] <sea> Or divide the world up into latitude and longitude and say that each 'square' on the world map is a single node/server
[15:51:49] <Bytram> easy enough.
[15:52:09] <Bytram> got it.
[15:52:26] <sea> Now how do you make sure that when you move data from /any node/ to any other node, the shortest path is always reasonably short?
[15:52:40] <Bytram> hmmm. thinking....
[15:52:45] <sea> You could connect every node to every other node, in which case the shortest path is a direct link. A kind of 'portal' across the world map, but that's a rat's nest of wires.
[15:52:53] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:53:45] <sea> Or you could add a few portals here and there, and have a complicated routing table that always seems to know which direction the nearest portal that gets you 'close' to your target node is.
[15:53:55] <Bytram> hmmm, do you *always* have the full and complete 'address' of every 'thing'
[15:54:10] <sea> Yeah you always have the full and complete address.
[15:54:25] <Bytram> ok
[15:55:03] <sea> The only thing you don't have is the ability to send messages across connections that don't exist. You need to plan your network structure so that all messages (that are important) have really short paths to the places they'll typically need to go
[15:56:15] <Bytram> so blades exist in a 'bay', bays exist in a rack. racks exist in a datacenter. You don't want a wire from every blade to every other blade. How do you connect the racks?
[15:56:40] <Bytram> and how do you know how/where to send things? Is that it?
[15:56:51] <Bytram> i.e. routing table.
[15:56:56] <sea> You like thinking in terms of squares and cubes, so you connect the racks up in something resembling (the graph of it) a hypercube
[15:57:13] <sea> and it turns out that has really nice routing properties. The distance from one node to another is always fairly short.
[15:57:24] <Bytram> exactly. what's the problem?
[15:57:46] <sea> Sometimes you might not want a hypercube. You want sometimes want a hypertorus, or sometimes you might want something else entirely different
[15:58:05] <sea> What other neat shapes can you use, and when would you want to use them?
[15:58:26] <Bytram> cable neighboring racks together (E/W and N/S) with cables across the top to connect left and right so you get another level of torus
[15:59:03] <Bytram> hmmm, are the addresses pretty-much uniformly distributed?
[15:59:13] <sea> uhh that depends on the problem
[15:59:21] <sea> and the problem determines the shape of the network you'll use
[15:59:53] <Bytram> okay... thinking
[16:00:09] <Bytram> btw, this is FUN!
[16:00:12] <sea> I can even think of a situation where the addresses are distributed in a conic kind of way, that you'd connect your network up into a big cone. The nodes at the top are more densely connected than the ones at the bottom
[16:00:27] <Bytram> hrmmm.
[16:00:29] <sea> Yeah this is really cool stuff. For some reason there's no book on it, though. So I asked soylentnews for one
[16:01:39] <Bytram> simple... get a job at Amazon, Facebook, or Google. I'm sure they've done it. =)
[16:01:41] <Bytram> j/k
[16:02:14] <Bytram> how time-critical are we talking here. if it takes a couple extra hops, is that okay?
[16:02:56] <sea> It depends on the problem. A few extra hops might be okay sometimes, but if you're working on something where you have to send trillions of messages, every hop is precious
[16:03:41] <Bytram> sea: if there's a density variation, then it seems to me that your hashing function needs some work. Fix *that* and then the general solution with byper-toruses would work again. No?
[16:03:52] <Bytram> s/byp/hyp/
[16:03:53] <exec> <Bytram> sea: if there's a density variation, then it seems to me that your hashing function needs some work. Fix *that* and then the general solution with hyper-toruses would work again. No?
[16:03:54] <sea> What I would like is a 'table of topologies', or a complete classification them, if that's possible
[16:04:04] <Bytram> okay. got it.
[16:04:28] <Bytram> I assume you've read all the links you could find on Wikipedia?
[16:04:40] <sea> I think so..
[16:05:01] <sea> The rest are all bound up in research papers. There's no big gathering-together of it
[16:05:06] <Bytram> ok, just checkng the obvious. =)
[16:05:08] <sea> No central list that I can read
[16:06:26] <Bytram> okay. am checking something... back in a bit
[16:10:01] <Bytram> sea: btw, and, fwiw, I just realized that this has parallels in the database / datawarehousing world.
[16:11:25] <sea> Yeah it's handy to be able to search your database quickly on multiple keys and stuff. an extra handy to maintain multiple types of locality at the same time
[16:11:37] <Bytram> exactly!
[16:12:13] <Bytram> hmm, your connections... unidirection or bidirectional?
[16:12:38] <sea> bi-directional
[16:12:46] <Bytram> kewel!
[16:12:49] <sea> If you made them unidirectional it would be horrifyingly complex
[16:13:12] <Bytram> yup; just verifying to make sure I've got things right.
[16:13:35] * Bytram is currently scanning: https://en.wikipedia.org
[16:13:36] <Cereal> ^ 04Wiki: 03Network topology:
[16:13:42] <sea> Sometimes you actually do have data that can't be hashed into a hypercube without losing performance, though. The general solution doesn't always work well
[16:14:11] <Bytram> ahhh.
[16:14:38] <Bytram> but, you DO have a unique address for each datum?
[16:14:45] <sea> That page has a list of simple topologies, but it doesn't start to talk about more complex ones until right at the very end in the 3-paragraph decentralization section.
[16:14:48] <Bytram> or are there possible collisions?
[16:14:59] <Bytram> just got here.
[16:15:22] <sea> Data always has a unique address, but you can make it have collisions if you want. That simplifies things sometimes.
[16:15:34] <Bytram> just got *there.
[16:16:07] <Bytram> conceptually: like a hashing function devolving into a linear search upon collision?
[16:17:09] <sea> Something like that. The address is of the node responsible for that data
[16:17:42] <Bytram> so, you are trying to avoid the expense of a fully-connected network, but with as much of the performance as possible??
[16:17:48] <sea> One node is obviously going to be responsible for multiple pieces of data, so there will be collisions. For redundancy purposes, you might even want that you hash to /multiple/ addresses at once, just in case the first node fails.
[16:17:57] <sea> Yeap, that's the goal of the whole thing.
[16:18:21] <Bytram> yup... that was a question I had... what do you do when a node fails? is there replication/redundancy?
[16:18:36] <Bytram> and, if so, how much?
[16:19:34] <Bytram> and, of course, same problem when a link goes down... need to be able to route around it.
[16:19:55] <sea> Oh, and that too. You don't want your network to schism when a handful of critical links fail.
[16:20:02] <Bytram> nodnod
[16:20:07] <sea> Circles are kinda bad at that. 2 breaks schism the whole thing.
[16:20:32] <Bytram> I haven't had this much fun in ages!
[16:20:48] <sea> It's a really interesting collection of problems
[16:21:23] <sea> Every geometric object has a corresponding network topology, with its own set of special properties
[16:21:33] <sea> (vertices = nodes, edges = connections)
[16:22:06] <sea> or in the case of circles and toruses and things like that, 'points' = nodes
[16:22:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:23:09] <sea> Each has its own special routing algorithm, and its own 'minimum distance', and its own special locality properties, and its own 'minimum connection breaks before schism' properties..
[16:23:28] <sea> and cost, size, scalability as well.
[16:24:11] <Bytram> at some level of abstraction, it seems to me you have some kind of 'weighting' function that compares additional cost of adding extra connectivity versus the [perceived] benefit of adding it.
[16:24:13] <Bytram> yup
[16:24:48] <Bytram> so, you've got more than just one [kind of] problem you're trying to solve?
[16:25:18] <sea> My SN submission only asked for a book on this.
[16:25:24] <Bytram> LOL!
[16:25:34] * Bytram slinks away
[16:25:53] <sea> I haven't got any problems to solve but if I ever do come across one, I'd like to have the knowledge ready
[16:26:09] <Bytram> oh!!!
[16:26:11] <Bytram> ok!
[16:27:02] <sea> I'm suspicious that certain shapes are actually turing complete, though, in terms of what happens when you flood messages across them
[16:27:09] <Bytram> my misunderstanding. I thought you had a problem in hand that you were trying to solve. I apologize for the 3rd degree!
[16:27:50] <Bytram> okay, now you just done made my brain 'splode.
[16:28:00] <sea> especially shapes with loops and stuff like that. Messages just keep going around and around, and merging/meeting with other messages and stuff on the way. It sounds like a recipe with turing completeness to me, if you had the right properties
[16:28:16] * Bytram not a complain, I like it when that happens... means I'm seeing something *NEW*!!
[16:28:34] <Bytram> I can 'see' that.
[16:28:47] <Bytram> I can't imagine trying to *program* that, but I can see it.
[16:40:25] * sea wanders off to build a computer so utterly complex that no-one will be able to comprehend it or determine that it works
[16:43:08] <Bytram> sea: am chewing on all this discussion and wishing there were a way I could encapsulate it in your submission.
[16:44:28] <Bytram> atm, the best I can see is to submit what your wrote, add a link to wikipedia, and maybe a short addition that there is no particular problem to be solved at the moment, but rather this is an attempt at gaining a curvey of all that's out there on the bleeding edge.
[16:44:38] <Bytram> s/curv/surv/
[16:44:39] <exec> <Bytram> atm, the best I can see is to submit what your wrote, add a link to wikipedia, and maybe a short addition that there is no particular problem to be solved at the moment, but rather this is an attempt at gaining a survey of all that's out there on the bleeding edge.
[16:45:15] <sea> s/ /_/g
[16:45:16] <exec> <sea> wanders_off_to_build_a_computer_so_utterly_complex_that_no-one_will_be_able_to_comprehend_it_or_determine_that_it_works
[16:45:21] <sea> Wow, that's pretty neat.
[16:45:25] <Bytram> what's the bested, fastest, cheapest (pick 2(!)) way to set up a network.
[16:45:40] <Bytram> sea: yuppers! there's lotsa good stuff here.
[16:45:44] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[16:45:50] <exec> weather for 10Boston, MA US at 12:15 pm (EDT) ~ 30 mins ago: temp: 1023.9°C (75°F), dp: 1015.9°C (60.6°F), press: 101008.6 mb (-0.1 mb/18 mins), humid: 1060%, wind: 106.4 km/h (4 mph) @ 10284°
[16:46:01] <Bytram> ~time london
[16:46:02] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 5:46 pm BST - London, UK
[16:46:13] <Bytram> ~define sea
[16:46:15] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Sea: A big blue wobbly thing that mermaids live in.
[16:46:25] <sea> ~weather manhattan
[16:46:29] <exec> weather for 10New York, NY US at 12:22 pm (EDT) ~ 24 mins ago: temp: 1026.7°C (80°F), dp: 1017.7°C (63.9°F), press: 101010.5 mb (-0.3 mb/18 mins), humid: 1057%, wind: 109.6 km/h (6 mph) @ 10292°
[16:46:38] <sea> ~weather Niagara
[16:46:42] <exec> weather for 10Norway, MI US at 2014-08-17 16:22:00 (UTC) ~ 24 mins ago: temp: 1015°C (59°F), dp: 1011.6°C (52.8°F), press: 101019.4 mb (0 mb/12 mins), humid: 1080%, wind: 103.2 km/h (2 mph) @ 1051°
[16:47:04] <Bytram> yeah, it ain't perfekt
[16:47:07] <sea> That's a big temperature difference
[16:47:10] <sea> oh, wait
[16:47:12] <sea> That's in norway
[16:47:14] <Bytram> LOL!
[16:47:24] <sea> I was so confused just now.
[16:47:33] * Bytram didn't write it, but they're fun.
[16:47:38] <Bytram> watch this:
[16:47:43] <Bytram> ~time UTC
[16:47:45] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 6:47 pm CEST - Soesterberg, The Netherlands
[16:47:56] <Bytram> ~time GMT
[16:47:58] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 4:47 pm GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
[16:48:13] <sea> It doesn't know UTC?
[16:48:22] <Bytram> right.
[16:48:41] <Bytram> ~weather portland
[16:48:46] <exec> weather for 10Portland, OR US at 9:24 am (PDT) ~ 24 mins ago: temp: 1019.4°C (67°F), dp: 1016.1°C (61°F), press: 101022.3 mb (0 mb/12 mins), humid: 1081%, wind: 100 km/h (0 mph) @ 10180°
[16:48:51] <Bytram> ~weather portland, maine
[16:48:55] <exec> weather for 10South Portland, ME US at 12:12 pm (EDT) ~ 36 mins ago: temp: 1023.3°C (74°F), dp: 1018.2°C (64.8°F), press: 101007.6 mb (-0.6 mb/72 mins), humid: 1072%, wind: 101.6 km/h (1 mph) @ 10342°
[16:49:08] <Bytram> ~weather maine
[16:49:15] <exec> weather for 10Cambridge, ME US at 12:43 am (EDT) ~ 2166 mins ago: temp: 1013.3°C (56°F), dp: 1012.6°C (54.6°F), press: 101009.1 mb (0 mb/18 mins), humid: 1095%, wind: 100 km/h (0 mph) @ 100°
[16:49:16] <sea> ~weather Oslo
[16:49:20] <exec> weather for 10Oslo Blindern, 3, Norway at 6:01 pm (CEST) ~ 48 mins ago: temp: 1016.5°C (61.7°F), dp: 109.4°C (48.9°F), press: 10991.9 mb (-0.4 mb/60 mins), humid: 1062%, wind: 1014.4 km/h (9 mph) @ 10190°
[16:49:38] <sea> Hm. That Niagara weather may not have been in norway, you know. It had US on the end
[16:49:43] <sea> ~weather Niagara
[16:49:46] <exec> weather for 10Norway, MI US at 2014-08-17 16:22:00 (UTC) ~ 30 mins ago: temp: 1015°C (59°F), dp: 1011.6°C (52.8°F), press: 101019.4 mb (0 mb/12 mins), humid: 1080%, wind: 103.2 km/h (2 mph) @ 1051°
[16:49:50] <sea> ~weather Niagara, Canada
[16:49:55] <exec> weather for 10Niagara Falls, CA at 12:31 pm (EDT) ~ 18 mins ago: temp: 1021.1°C (70°F), dp: 1015.2°C (59.4°F), press: 101012.8 mb (+0.1 mb/24 mins), humid: 1068%, wind: 103.2 km/h (2 mph) @ 1045°
[16:50:04] <Bytram> sea++
[16:50:04] <Bender> karma - sea: 1
[16:50:16] <Bytram> sea++
[16:50:16] <Bender> karma - sea: 2
[16:50:31] <Bytram> !whoup sea
[16:50:31] <Bender> uppers of sea are: Bytram: 2
[16:50:38] <Bytram> coffee++
[16:50:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 614
[16:50:39] <sea> bacon++
[16:50:39] <Bender> karma - bacon: 247
[16:50:46] <sea> So bacon went back down
[16:50:58] <mrcoolbp> musta
[16:51:19] <Bytram> oh, yeah. You mean from the 2-billioonnns value?
[16:51:26] <sea> yup
[16:51:29] <Bytram> yup
[16:51:32] <mrcoolbp> nah, that's in ##
[16:51:38] <mrcoolbp> its over 100K
[16:51:39] <Bytram> was here, too.
[16:51:44] <mrcoolbp> o rly?
[16:51:48] <Bytram> yup
[16:51:54] <mrcoolbp> o i c
[16:52:43] <Bytram> sea: I **REALLY** appreciate the fine networking discourse we had here, but I can think of no way to enacpsulate it in your submission.
[16:53:34] <Bytram> sea: I'm thinking of just adding a wikipedia link to the networking page, and run pretty much with what you submitted. You okay with that?
[16:54:08] <Bytram> afk brb
[16:54:14] <sea> I'm pretty sure that's okay. Just ask for 'the hottest, coolest new bleeding edge cluster network topologies'
[16:56:13] <TheMightyLaptop> https://github.com
[16:57:37] <Bytram> sea: okay, you got it!
[16:58:13] <sea> It's actually a lot cooler than I told you, because some of those special network topologies have the cool property that there are extremely simple algorithms that network nodes can follow which cause them to /self organize/ into that shape
[16:59:08] <sea> Even if it's a completely distributed system, and the nodes only know about their immediate neighbors (and know nothing else about the network as a whole), they still magically self organize into the shape you want. That's weird and cool stuff
[17:02:11] <Bytram> ugh. how am I gonna merge THAT in? =)
[17:02:13] <Bytram> brb
[17:02:13] <ciri> ok Bytram
[17:02:17] <sea> That allows really neat tricks. You can take a tangled mess of a network, impose an order on it from beneath without any central control, wait for it to self organize, and then exploit the new structure/order to do extremely rapid searches or to extract lots of relevant data all at once
[17:03:38] <sea> and I have some special research of my own which makes use of this to do things to networks that you shouldn't be able to do. By 'gaming' the network as it self-organizes, you can force it to organize into a shape that benefits /you/, instead of the network
[17:05:05] <Bytram> okay, I got that, too.
[17:06:11] <sea> A few misbehaving nodes can induce the bittorrent DHT network to schism, for example, and then those nodes can set themselves up as the sole link between the two network halves. From that point they can do a lot of malicious things
[17:09:09] <Bytram> sounds sort of like core wars on a massive scale. neat!
[17:09:09] <sea> The bittorrent network is also a self-organizing gossip-based mesh-like network. It's possible to force it to schism as well, and you can make use of that schism to double-spend with impunity. (Two networks = 2 blockchains. You can do what you like in one of them, but when the network reuinites, the shorter block chain is obliterated and your spending is reversed)
[17:09:48] <sea> but I just like the properties of the shapes, they're really cool.
[17:09:53] <Bytram> did you mean bittorrent or bitcoin?
[17:09:58] <sea> bitcoin, sorry
[17:10:03] <Bytram> np
[17:11:59] <Bytram> hence, the worries about any one group 'owning' more than 50% of the entire pool.
[17:12:13] <sea> No it's a different problem entirely.
[17:12:26] <Bytram> oh. blegh! nvm
[17:12:37] <sea> This is a new problem that I'm writing about. It's the problem of isolating a handful of bitcoin nodes from the network, but making them believe they're still a part of it.
[17:12:49] <Bytram> MITM?
[17:13:36] <sea> Not really..you don't stand in the middle of anything. You do it by slicing the network in half, by gaming the self-organizing nodes
[17:14:09] <sea> Imagine that, somehow, somehow cut the links between all bitcoin nodes in the USA and Europe.
[17:14:13] <sea> someone*
[17:14:32] <Bytram> okay... change their *perception* of the network
[17:14:39] <sea> You don't actually have to cut the links, you just have to game the nodes and have them avoid connecting to nodes in the USA
[17:14:51] <Bytram> okay.
[17:14:59] <sea> and vice versa. You end up with 2 separate non-connected networks, each with their own blockchain.
[17:16:03] <sea> At first the two blockchains will be identical, but then they'll diverge. Messages in one network would be unable to reach the other half.
[17:16:59] <sea> Whenever the networks reuinite, though, the nodes will start receiving notifications that a longer blockchain exists. Whichever block-chain is longer becomes the default, and the other is abandoned.
[17:17:32] <sea> That means that all transactions that happened in the shorter blockchain while the networks were split never actually happened.
[17:19:46] <sea> If you were lucky enough to have made a purchase in that shorter block-chain, you could grab the physical goods and run like hell before the network reuinites. WHen it reuinites, you get your bitcoin back, but you're still holding the physical goods
[17:20:16] <Bytram> Okay. So IIUC, the question becomes, is there an actual way that one can convince all USA nodes to ignore Europe, and vice versa? Or is this purely throretical? (Anything with a false premise necessarily has a true conclusion.)
[17:20:38] <sea> It's not theoretical. You can do it on a small scale in simulations
[17:20:56] <sea> I doubt that anyone would be able to do it to an entire country, but you could definitely do it to a handful of nodes at once.
[17:21:45] <Bytram> kewel!
[17:21:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpiderOak's Warrant Canary Eventually Notifies of Secret Court Surveillance Orders - http://sylnt.us - a-little-bird-told-me...6-months-ago
[17:22:14] <sea> What you do is you set up some malicious nodes that participate in the network normally, but when they 'gossip' new peers, they say "Hey, you can connect to this list of nodes here: $list_of_malicious_nodes"
[17:22:52] <Bytram> sea: don't know if you can see it, but here's a link: http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:53] <Cereal> ^ 04SN article 03 Close 04(ID comments):
[17:23:07] <sea> Nothing to see. How long does it take to post?
[17:23:50] <Bytram> queue is pretty full; scheduled for: 2014-08-18 09:25:00 UTC
[17:24:06] <Bytram> sea: pm me and I'll copy/paste it for you to see
[17:24:22] <sea> It probably looks pretty much like what I wrote
[17:28:05] <Bytram> ~time GMT
[17:28:07] <exec> Sunday, 17 August 2014 @ 5:28 pm GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
[17:31:22] <mrcoolbp> ~time Zulu
[17:31:23] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 17 August 2014, 5:31 pm
[17:33:21] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: kinda neat that it gets the right answer for the wrong reason.
[17:33:37] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I love that trick now
[17:33:46] <Bytram> m too
[17:33:50] <Bytram> ~time
[17:33:50] <exec> syntax: ~time location
[17:33:50] <exec> time data courtesy of Google
[17:33:53] <Bytram> ~time xs
[17:33:55] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 17 August 2014, 5:33 pm
[17:34:14] <mrcoolbp> okay, gonna take a break, BBL
[17:34:28] <Bytram> ~time x
[17:34:30] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 17 August 2014, 5:34 pm
[17:45:44] <sea> ~weather Hell
[17:45:52] <exec> weather for 10Washington, DC US at 1:21 pm (EDT) ~ 24 mins ago: temp: 1028.9°C (84°F), dp: 1019.5°C (67.1°F), press: 101011.8 mb (-0.1 mb/18 mins), humid: 1057%, wind: 106.4 km/h (4 mph) @ 10238°
[17:45:57] <sea> Baahahahahahahaa
[17:48:41] <janrinok> Bytram: you still here?
[17:48:47] <Bytram> janrinok: nope.
[17:48:48] <Bytram> =)
[17:49:12] <janrinok> OK, I won't ask you if you meant to set the time for that story 5 hours after the previous....
[17:49:31] <Bytram> janrinok: and I won't tell you that it was intended to be in the PM. =)
[17:49:37] <Bytram> s/was/*was*/
[17:49:38] <exec> <Bytram> janrinok: and I won't tell you that it *was* intended to be in the PM. =)
[17:50:16] <janrinok> If you had said that - I would have accepted it. Pity you're not here....
[17:51:35] * Bytram is not *all* here, that's all. =)
[17:51:40] <janrinok> lol
[17:51:40] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[17:51:56] * Bytram restrains urge to /kick ciri
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[18:39:04] <Bytram> http://rss.computerworld.com
[19:04:34] <Bytram> http://www.computerworld.com
[19:05:04] <Bytram> hmm, looks like Cereal is out of commission. :(
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[19:09:30] <Bytram> !uid
[19:09:30] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4699, owned by paulej72
[19:10:32] <paulej72> that is not right
[19:10:47] <Bytram> how do you know? ;)
[19:10:55] <Bytram> !uid
[19:10:55] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4699, owned by paulej72
[19:11:14] <Bytram> hmmm... that *is* interesting!
[19:13:36] <Bytram> SELECT uid, nickname FROM users WHERE uid > 4690 ORDER BY uid;
[19:14:03] <Bytram> I don't have access to the live site, but that should do it.
[19:20:27] <paulej72> | 4636 | Uncle Bob |
[19:20:27] <paulej72> | 4637 | edinlinux |
[19:20:28] <paulej72> | 4638 | pvanhoof |
[19:20:29] <paulej72> +------+---------------------+
[19:20:57] <paulej72> looks lik bender is having a data issue
[19:21:18] <Bytram> hmm, is 4638 the max?
[19:21:18] <soylentpoutine> No
[19:21:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Privacy-Focused US Technology Officer Leaves Office - http://sylnt.us - privacy-not-our-priority
[19:21:23] soylentpoutine is now known as poutine
[19:21:57] <Bytram> hmm, let me check something
[19:24:06] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[19:24:06] <Cereal> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[19:24:16] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[19:24:16] <Cereal> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[19:24:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently so
[19:25:06] <Bytram> yup, looks like 4638 is the current max
[19:25:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder what fuxored bender up
[19:25:45] <poutine> terrible programming
[19:25:47] <poutine> most likely
[19:25:50] <Bytram> well, since it is not able to access the actual nick, it suggests that it is no longer logged in
[19:26:08] <Bytram> oh, nvm, that's cereal. :/
[19:26:28] <paulej72> !uid
[19:26:28] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4699, owned by paulej72
[19:26:36] <poutine> Is this how SN gets its users?
[19:26:40] <poutine> paulej72 registers them all?
[19:26:43] <Bytram> but, could be the same kind of problem; may need a restart after yesterday's system update?
[19:26:54] <paulej72> no problem with bender
[19:27:54] <poutine> The bot only operates based on instructions given, I would blame the person who put the code into Bender, not Bender itself
[19:28:04] <poutine> There's a human to blame behind all of this
[19:29:05] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[19:29:05] <Cereal> ^ 03pvanhoof - SoylentNews User
[19:29:20] <Bytram> !woop
[19:29:20] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[19:29:31] <Bytram> nah, bender is okay. ;)
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[19:33:54] <Bytram> oops, spoke too soon.
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[19:37:54] <paulej72> !uid
[19:37:55] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4638, owned by pvanhoof
[19:38:46] <pbnjoe> still climbing :)
[19:38:58] <Bytram> paulej72++
[19:38:58] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 50
[19:46:49] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[19:46:50] <Cereal> ^ 03503 Service Unavailable
[19:47:01] <Bytram> that's not good.
[19:47:51] <Bytram> Error 503 Service Unavailable
[19:47:51] <Bytram> Service Unavailable
[19:47:51] <Bytram> Guru Meditation:
[19:47:51] <Bytram> XID: 2027182669
[19:47:51] <Bytram> Varnish cache server
[19:50:04] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[19:50:04] <Cereal> ^ 03503 Service Unavailable
[19:51:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[19:51:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's new and exciting
[19:57:14] <sea`> !uid sea
[19:58:27] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[19:58:28] <Cereal> ^ 03503 Service Unavailable
[19:58:51] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[19:58:52] <Cereal> ^ 03sea - SoylentNews User
[19:59:30] <paulej72> Dev is down because LDAP on helium is down.
[20:00:02] <paulej72> can’t seem to get it to use boron for default ldap
[20:00:44] <paulej72> gave up on that and I am looking into why slash is so slow on hydrogen
[20:00:56] <Bytram> ugh. thanks for trying!
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[20:03:39] <sea`> I have a two-digit uid. :3
[20:04:40] * sea` is mentally preparing to yell "Get off my Lawn!" at people with 5-digit uids, whenever they start showing up
[20:04:48] <Bytram> sea`: 86? LOL ... in the food industy, it means that something is now off the menu -- we ran out of it.
[20:05:07] <sea`> The number 86 means that food is out?
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[20:08:42] <paulej72> ~define 86
[20:08:43] <exec> [urbandictionary] 386: To remove, end usage, or take something out or away. Despite ALL other posts suggestion the origion of this phrase there is only one true answer: Chumley's, a famous and OLD New York speakeasy, is...
[20:08:58] <Bytram> sea`: well, it was used in that context. In general, it means that something is no longer available...
[20:09:27] <sea`> Sounds good to me.
[20:09:30] <sea`> I am not here right now.
[20:09:46] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org(number)
[20:09:47] <Cereal> ^ 04Wiki: 0386 (number: Other reasons this message may be displayed:
[20:10:11] <Bytram> http://dictionary.reference.com
[20:10:44] <sea`> I got extra lucky, it looks like.
[20:10:49] <Bytram> http://www.merriam-webster.com
[20:11:19] <Bytram> wikipedia: To 86 something means "be out of" an item (e.g., restaurants)[1] or banned from an establishment (e.g., casino.) The origin of the phrase is unclear, although the first known recorded instance of the phrase is from a 1944 book.[2]
[20:11:19] <Bytram> The term 86 comes form the movie business in Hollywood. When shooting on colour film, a camera needs an 85 filter (amber in colour) to balance the daylight. When moving indoors under tungsten light the filter is removed or replaced with a clear filter and this was referred to as the 86 filter. Therefore 86 came to mean "nothing" or to "get rid of".
[20:14:27] <Bytram> http://www.snopes.com
[20:14:28] <Cereal> ^ 03snopes.com: Etymology of 86
[20:15:29] * sea` conjures up two dark cubes of pure annihilation and drops them into a cup forged from the essence of non-being, then pours in some liquid nonexistence and slowly stirs while softly whispering maddening secrets of the true essence of reality to the tea.
[20:15:39] <paulej72> OK I have dev working, but ssh to lithium is still acring up;
[20:15:55] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[20:15:55] <Cereal> ^ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[20:16:00] <Bytram> !woop
[20:16:00] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[20:16:05] <Bytram> paulej72++
[20:16:05] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 51
[20:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, pull request tested. notes in reply.
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[20:26:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> afternoon, Subsentient
[20:26:46] <Subsentient> Greetings
[20:27:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: where did you test
[20:27:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, vm. wasn't exactly a complicated pull request.
[20:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> just adds an atom feed icon
[20:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, wondering if it was me what broke dev, eh? =P
[20:30:49] <paulej72> no NCommander did it
[20:31:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well that's good then. breaking things is good for your stress level.
[20:31:58] <paulej72> He broke LDAP master on helium. Lithium was only set to use helium for LDAP. I set it to use boron as well and rebooted it. It did reboot, but it is not fully happy yet
[20:32:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh. good ole LDAP. it's almost as much fun as kerb.
[20:34:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[20:34:27] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2:52 pm (CDT) ~ 42 mins ago: temp: 1032°C (89.6°F), dp: 1023°C (73.4°F), press: 101014.9 mb (0 mb/18 mins), humid: 1059%, wind: 1014.4 km/h (9 mph) @ 10220°
[20:34:59] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: looks a little toasty for you there.
[20:35:06] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[20:35:13] <exec> weather for 10Boston, MA US at 3:47 pm (EDT) ~ 48 mins ago: temp: 1025.6°C (78°F), dp: 1015.3°C (59.5°F), press: 101007.8 mb (-0.1 mb/18 mins), humid: 1052%, wind: 1016 km/h (10 mph) @ 10290°
[20:35:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i wouldn't mind that being accurate. it's risen 3F since then.
[20:35:36] <Bytram> ugh.
[20:35:52] * Bytram hands buzz a fan and a long extension cord
[20:35:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to keep rising until about an hour and a half from now
[20:36:22] <sea`> and then, it will begin to fall..
[20:36:30] <sea`> AND WE PLUNGE THE WORLD INTO AN EVERLASTING WINTER!
[20:36:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> still, this time two years ago it would have been 110+ with about the same humidity.
[20:37:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> sea`, that's the plan, yep. all just to honk off the global warming types.
[20:37:21] <Bytram> reminds me of the song: "One banana, two banana, three banana, hand. Daylight come and me wanna go home." it was so hot, they picked bananas at night.
[20:38:09] <sea`> Where I am right now, it actually is so hot that the farmers are considering working at night.
[20:38:09] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question sea`
[20:38:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, i don't get that. you live in the tropics the weather changes so little you get used to it and are hardly ever hot or cold.
[20:39:29] <sea`> I'm in the tropics now and the weather is almost always constant, but that means that a 10 degree C shift is the difference between me wrapping up and hiding under the bed, and me running to jump in the ocean.
[20:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[20:39:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: up here in the great northeastern US I've seen it run from -20 F to +100 in the span of 6 months... that's a little hard to 'get used to' =)
[20:40:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yup. that's what you get for being a damned fool yankee though.
[20:40:36] <Bytram> and, on occasion, have seen a 40 F swing in a single day
[20:40:43] <paulej72> Bytram: that happens in less than a week sometimes
[20:40:44] <Bytram> yup, tenacity and perseverance
[20:41:06] <Bytram> yup. last I checked, a single day is less than a week. ;)
[20:41:18] <paulej72> no -20 to 100
[20:41:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> 40F in a day is rare here in OK but usually happens a few times a year.
[20:41:50] <Bytram> paulej72: oh, that! Where have you seen that happen?
[20:42:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, it's rare here, too. but not that noteworthy when it happens. Just part of new england weather.
[20:42:58] <paulej72> in jersey, about 98 it was februray got up to like inot the 70’s or higer for a week.. Wore shorts
[20:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty noteworthy here because everyone is all like "ahhhhhh... Yay cold front!"
[20:44:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> what can i say. we got enough farmers around here that the weather is a legit conversation topic. that's even excluding its significance to fishing conditions.
[20:44:38] <Bytram> paulej72: ok, that *is* a wide range, but that does not sound like 100 F, either.
[20:45:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: live and on the main site: http://soylentnews.org
[20:45:56] <Cereal> ^ 04SN comment by martyb (76)
[20:46:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... pondering making myself a sous-vide rig
[20:47:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> also wondering how a sous-vide burger would taste. probably not as good.
[20:47:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, looks good
[20:47:37] <sea`> Oooh, you should make a big parabolic reflector and cook your food from a mile away.
[20:47:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> specially happy with the 0xfffd replacement where appropriate.
[20:47:57] <Bytram> yup; some mojibake near the end, though.
[20:50:47] * Bytram can't remember what the UTF-8 non-characters are...
[20:51:20] <sea`> ψ π τ ρ α σ?
[20:51:33] <Bytram> aha! here it is:
[20:51:34] <Bytram> There are sixty-six noncharacters:
[20:51:34] <Bytram> U+FDD0..U+FDEF and any code point ending in the value FFFE or FFFF
[20:51:34] <Bytram> (i.e. U+FFFE, U+FFFF, U+1FFFE, U+1FFFF, ... U+10FFFE, U+10FFFF).
[20:52:52] <Bytram> sea`: psi pi tau rho alpha sigma (though you really want the *other* lowercase sigma)
[20:53:45] <sea`> Other lowercase sigma?
[20:54:43] <Bytram> this one: "ς" it is used when it is the last letter of a word.
[20:54:49] <sea`> Oh, I didn't know about that one
[20:54:54] <sea`> I wonder how I make that one.
[20:55:29] <sea`> ς Aha
[20:55:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> 207 decimal
[20:56:11] <sea`> I'm using tex-input-mode in emacs. It's '\varsigma' apparently
[20:56:12] <Bytram> yeah, I just learned it recently, myself. Makes case folding non-symmetric
[20:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> "" funky
[20:57:58] <Bytram> toupper("ς") == "Σ"; toupper("σ") == "Σ"; tolower("Σ") = ?
[20:58:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, maybe it was 207 hex.
[20:58:41] <sea`> tolower("Σ") = {ς,σ} :)
[20:59:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: here's another one: http://soylentnews.org
[20:59:51] <Cereal> ^ 04SN comment by martyb (76)
[21:01:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't show too bad in noto sans
[21:03:27] <Bytram> btw; "ς" == "ς" == "ς" == "" == "\u03C2" == "U+03C2 GREEK SMALL LETTER FINAL SIGMA"
[21:03:49] <Bytram> oops.
[21:03:57] <Bytram> btw; "ς" == "ς" == "ς" == "\u03C2" == "U+03C2 GREEK SMALL LETTER FINAL SIGMA"
[21:04:20] <sea`> I love how the name is in all caps.
[21:04:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, why'd perl give me 207 on the bloody thing then?
[21:04:25] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: which font is that?
[21:04:33] <Bytram> you are special?
[21:04:35] <sea`> Bytram: See if there's one called "THERE IS ANOTHER MECHANISM"
[21:05:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, the one google is working on to completely fill the basic multi-lingual pane.
[21:05:08] <Bytram> I am unaware of such a character; unless you are volunteering? =)
[21:05:20] <Bytram> oh, THAT one!
[21:05:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: doesn't "Unifont CSUR" already cover the BMP?
[21:05:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's purdier than unifont but not monospace
[21:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[21:05:53] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:06:00] <Bytram> just checking.
[21:06:22] <Bytram> fwiw...
[21:07:15] <Bytram> "σ" == "σ" == "σ" == "σ" == "\u03C3" == "U+03C3 GREEK SMALL LETTER SIGMA"
[21:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> for that matter, veranda covered it pretty well
[21:08:03] <Bytram> veranda? Isn't that a porch?
[21:08:11] <Bytram> =)
[21:08:59] <Bytram> well, time for me to get going...
[21:09:11] <Bytram> it's been fun, everyone.
[21:09:14] <Bytram> ttfn
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[21:31:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High Temperatures (and Parasites) May Ease Autism Symptoms - http://sylnt.us - let's-all-jump-in-the-hot-tub
[21:45:37] * sea` cackles maniacally! Heehahuaehaheahheahaaaa!!!!!
[21:45:42] * sea` shivers violently and explodes!
[21:48:27] <crutchy> ~queue
[21:48:30] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 9
[21:48:30] <exec> *** http://soylentnews.org
[21:48:50] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[21:48:55] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 6:00 am (EST) ~ 108 mins ago: temp: 1010.3°C (50.5°F), dp: 107.5°C (45.5°F), press: 101018.9 mb (+0.5 mb/60 mins), humid: 1082%, wind: 106.4 km/h (4 mph) @ 10190°
[21:49:38] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:49:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 615
[21:49:40] <chromas> Mid spring wx
[21:49:47] <crutchy> mornin everyone
[21:49:53] <crutchy> mornin chromas
[21:50:03] <crutchy> !uid
[21:50:03] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4638, owned by pvanhoof
[21:50:16] <chromas> coffee++ for crutchy
[21:50:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 616
[21:51:15] <crutchy> wow looks like i missed a lot of action while i was sleeping
[21:52:11] <chromas> We were setting you up to take the blame
[21:54:00] * sea` places a bloodied knife into crutchy's hands, then wanders away, humming the Halloween theme.
[21:54:13] <crutchy> g'day sea`
[21:54:13] <ciri> hi i'm happy today! :D crutchy
[21:55:01] * crutchy wipes knife handle clean of fingerprints and places it on NC's anvil
[21:55:54] * chromas slides a regex under the knife to make it all the more damning
[21:56:24] <crutchy> ooh if there's regex involved it can't be me... must be marty
[21:56:32] * crutchy points at bytram
[21:57:42] <crutchy> the victim was a poor innocent little php script
[21:57:44] <chromas> dammit. I plug an antenna into the tv and the only stations with good signal are religious ones
[21:57:48] * chromas blames jesus
[21:58:05] <chromas> and there's still analog signals
[21:58:05] <crutchy> chromas, s/su/bu
[21:58:06] <exec> syntax: 8[nick[:|,|>|.] ]s/pattern/replace[/[g]]
[21:58:13] <chromas> whoops
[21:58:24] <chromas> coffee++ fixes all
[21:58:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 617
[21:58:37] <Landon> !lod pu
[21:58:37] <Bender> ಠ_ಠ
[21:58:39] <Landon> !lod poutine
[21:58:41] <Bender> ಠ_ಠ
[21:58:44] <crutchy> i still got an anal-log tv
[21:58:59] <Landon> WHATS THAT SONNY, YOU'VE GOT AN ANAL LOG? BETTER GO TO THE BATHROOM
[21:59:06] <Landon> WHERES MA HEARIN AID
[21:59:23] <chromas> it's a backlog and I can scroll it; makes a mighty mess
[21:59:29] <crutchy> ay pa! git orf the dayam roof!
[22:00:38] <chromas> oh well, broadcast tv sucks anyhow. Everything good is syndicated on better channels
[22:01:50] <crutchy> tv is crap here
[22:02:04] <crutchy> anal-log digital
[22:03:20] <Landon> actually
[22:03:30] <chromas> thought anal log tv was supposed to die here
[22:03:32] <Landon> broadcast quality here is better than cable of the same channels
[22:03:37] <Landon> :/
[22:03:46] <Landon> way to drop the ball, cable co
[22:03:47] <chromas> oh I meant the actual stations. NBC et al
[22:03:54] <Landon> yeah
[22:04:01] <chromas> the content
[22:04:02] <Landon> it's better, but still no content
[22:14:50] <crutchy> dammit i gotta go to work soon. damn rain
[22:14:59] <chromas> :(
[22:15:54] <sea`> How long has it been since national geographic showed documentaries about nature?
[22:16:15] <sea`> now that you're all talking about TV, all I can think about is how it just shows dog whisperer and mega factories now
[22:16:33] * sea` would like to be able to whisper to a lizard, though..
[22:17:05] * chromas saw History channel the other day in the guide and noticed they're taking a break from dumpster diving or whatever to do Hitler and aliens again
[22:17:14] <sea`> Ooh, aliens!
[22:17:23] <chromas> ancient, even
[22:17:30] <sea`> Ooh, even better!
[22:17:53] <sea`> They Came From Outer Space A Long Long Time Ago From A Galaxy Far Far Away to Teach Our Ancestors How to Build Pyramids!
[22:18:11] <chromas> They also brought us stuffing
[22:19:28] <sea`> mm..stuffing..
[22:23:40] <chromas> Mmmm…Natlie's Port, man
[22:27:57] <crutchy> they could have at least left r2d2
[22:28:06] <crutchy> or seven of nine
[22:29:00] <sea`> r2 was scary
[22:29:27] <sea`> I'm absolutely certain that it was the mastermind behind everything..in some strange way
[22:30:42] <sea`> Did you notice that it never died? It was always around..
[22:30:45] <sea`> Right from the beginning!
[22:30:55] <crutchy> omnipresent
[22:31:06] <sea`> It was in control of everything. I know it was.
[22:31:12] <crutchy> tama, R2D2 is god
[22:31:21] <sea`> That eerie 'whip zeep doodiliWHEE!!' was so creepy
[22:31:50] <crutchy> nah that ball that came out of jabba's door was creepier
[22:32:24] <crutchy> ooh and the gizmo that shocked han solo in esb was scary when i was a kid
[22:33:43] <sea`> The underground desert creature was scary.
[22:34:09] <sea`> I don't remember what it was called. One day something like that is going to eat my house
[22:34:13] <crutchy> and then i saw it in starcraft: broodwar, and all was well :p
[22:34:26] <sea`> The ground thing was in SC?
[22:34:49] <crutchy> its a doodad on the sand dunes in desert maps
[22:35:06] <sea`> Ooh
[22:35:11] <crutchy> i mostly play my own scenarios in sc
[22:35:17] * crutchy loves making sc maps
[22:35:56] <sea`> It's too bad the game didn't have obstacles to flying units.
[22:36:23] <crutchy> i like making scenarios where i team up with an AI and play off against a team of 6 bad guys
[22:36:23] <sea`> You couldn't build really complicated maps, because then dropships would just fly right over the fun parts
[22:36:37] <crutchy> some of my maps have disabled flying attack units
[22:36:53] <crutchy> you can disable units or abilities
[22:38:44] <crutchy> i also like making a trigger at the start that places a worker of the other 2 races for my player so i can get up to 600 units >;-D
[22:38:55] <sea`> ah
[22:39:05] <sea`> Yeah doing the three races is kinda fun
[22:39:26] <sea`> The creep always gets in the way, though...makes it hard to build things
[22:39:30] <chromas> come on, crutchy, we know you keep one race as the token minority
[22:39:35] <crutchy> lol
[22:39:49] <crutchy> gotta make big maps with plenty of room for creep
[22:40:06] <crutchy> photon cannons + lurkers = awesome defense
[22:41:17] <crutchy> just need the odd terran walker robot dude (can't remember name) with the long range missiles for those bloody zerg ground attack things that can fire from a mile away (and seige mode tanks)
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[22:41:30] <crutchy> though lurkers are good against seige tanks
[22:42:12] <crutchy> crap now i wanna play some sc instead of going to work :/
[22:43:05] <sea`> The Goliath
[22:43:18] <sea`> That's the terran walker robot dude with long range missiles for bloody zerg ground attack things that can fire from a mile away
[22:43:30] <chromas> and the other is the guardian
[22:43:33] <sea`> but they only shoot missiles to air units
[22:43:39] <chromas> floating crap thinger
[22:43:41] <sea`> guardian? Those are the zerg flyers that shoot
[22:43:45] <sea`> They look like crabs
[22:43:55] <chromas> yeah
[22:43:58] <sea`> and they're sloooow
[22:44:00] <chromas> have long range
[22:44:18] <chromas> crutchy: play on the lap
[22:44:35] <chromas> run it in a window so you can easily switch to a terminal or spreadsheet
[22:44:40] <crutchy> lol floating crap thinger
[22:44:40] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[22:45:02] <crutchy> yeah goliaths suck against tanks
[22:45:12] <crutchy> need lurkers for that
[22:45:19] <sea`> I actually don't know what goliaths are good at :)
[22:45:23] <sea`> I played zerg exclusively..
[22:45:29] <sea`> I never even bothered to learn the other units
[22:45:52] <crutchy> i usually play protoss. the crab thingers (fuck my brain isn't working thismorning) are awesome
[22:45:57] <chromas> the hive cluster is under attack
[22:45:57] <sea`> I just know that they don't often make goliaths against zerg, because zerglings can eat them
[22:46:35] <crutchy> bunkers are good against zerg, as long as you got a couple of scvs behind to repair
[22:46:50] <crutchy> and a couple of medics for the scvs
[22:47:14] <crutchy> need goliaths to chase away air units
[22:47:29] <sea`> then you get sneaky overlords to drop lurkers in the base
[22:47:37] <sea`> sneeeeaky overlord
[22:47:48] <crutchy> catch yas later
[22:47:50] * sea` sneakily floats a giant elephant-cow around the map
[22:47:50] <crutchy> workipoos
[22:47:53] <chromas> bye
[22:47:56] <sea`> bye
[23:00:16] * juggs is glad to be back home where the screens are large and the beer is cold :) ~10 days with just a laptop screen to squint at was quite enough
[23:01:25] <chromas> desktops++
[23:01:26] <Bender> karma - desktops: 1
[23:04:02] <paulej72> desks++
[23:04:02] <Bender> karma - desks: 1
[23:08:18] <juggs> decent_chairs++
[23:08:18] <Bender> karma - decent_chairs: 1
[23:30:22] <TheMightyLaptop> laptops--
[23:30:22] <Bender> karma - laptops: -1
[23:31:09] * chromas wishes he has a laptop for outdoor/patio hacking
[23:32:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Daimler's Solution for Annoying Out-of-Office Email: Delete it - http://sylnt.us - delete-all-out-of-hours-emails-too
[23:33:31] <TheMightyLaptop> they're handy for getting at least some work done while out and about but only just barely
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[23:43:55] <monopoly> coffee++ for great justice
[23:43:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 618
[23:48:56] <juggs> my main gripe about using my laptop is the awful posture it encourages - fine for some brief consumption tasks, but extended use would probably result in some permanent deformation.
[23:51:33] <TheMightyLaptop> mine's the lack of a useful keyboard and pointing device
[23:52:44] <paulej72> I always use a mouse with my laptop
[23:53:15] <juggs> I took a mouse along with me thank $deity. Keyboard is actually not unusable on mine - at least it has a numpad... it is a bit chiletty though which gets tiresome :(
[23:53:21] <TheMightyLaptop> would but this one only has one usable usb port left
[23:53:49] <juggs> chicletty*
[23:54:08] <juggs> still not a real word - but meh ~shrug~
[23:57:19] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: I didn't do anything to the resolution, it's just a decrease of the previous 64 color palette to 4. Is it not loading properly on your browser?
[23:58:51] <TheMightyLaptop> shows as nothing and gets read as a 0 by 0 pixel image by github
[23:59:09] <Lagg> I'm seeing the full image when I go to the file changed tab :/