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[00:12:19] <juggs> even sir hurgenson - how does this day find you?
[00:13:24] <SpallsHurgenson> grumpy; my vid-card semi-died yesterday :(
[00:13:45] <SpallsHurgenson> and as a gamer, I am obligated now to go out and buy a new, more powerful replacement
[00:14:07] <SpallsHurgenson> that shit's expensive!
[00:15:19] <juggs> that's not good. probably the most expensive component that could choose to go out :( sod's law
[00:16:05] * SpallsHurgenson raises his head to the sky and shouts, "Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!"
[00:16:15] <SpallsHurgenson> on the plus side, faster GPU :)
[00:16:49] <juggs> indeed. what are you thinking of acquiring?
[00:17:11] <SpallsHurgenson> minimum, an nvidia 680 (next-gen from what I have now)
[00:17:30] <SpallsHurgenson> but if I find a good price I'll probably go nv-780
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[00:18:57] * SpallsHurgenson is mostly interested in upping his vram so he can play skyrim with all those high-res texture mods again :)
[00:18:59] <juggs> 780 ti - or perhaps hold off for the 970 / 980 to be released and the 7 series prices drop
[00:19:28] <SpallsHurgenson> that won't work, cause then I'll have to get the 980s :)
[00:20:11] <SpallsHurgenson> (wouldn't it be 880s? Have I missed an entire generation?)
[00:21:00] <juggs> http://www.legitreviews.com
[00:21:06] <juggs> speculation
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[00:21:57] <juggs> ooh - 880 is due out this month apparently. Can't say I really bother keeping up - I have a gts250 that serves my needs just fine (not much of a gamer obviously!).
[00:22:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm running on a spare 260 now :)
[00:24:10] * SpallsHurgenson is a graphics whore; I like me some sexy triangles :)
[00:24:18] <juggs> are your eyes bleeding due to the low res?
[00:24:49] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I haven't done anything with this card except boot to desktop yet
[00:25:40] <SpallsHurgenson> the old "semi-dead" card managed that... so long as I didn't try anything fancy like use multiple monitors or have too-high a screen-resolution. I think it was a DRAM failure
[00:25:45] <mrcoolbp> guys, I just got a decent computer with a bunch of ram, need a dece gfx cards, thinking of the "EVGA GeForce GT 730 "
[00:25:52] <mrcoolbp> any purty game reccomendatinos?
[00:26:21] <SpallsHurgenson> if you want a mindless, shallow shooter with okay graphics, wolfenstein works
[00:26:32] <mrcoolbp> which?
[00:26:42] <mrcoolbp> I played the orig, and the ~2003 one
[00:26:45] <SpallsHurgenson> erm... the newest one; forget what it's called
[00:26:55] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I think I saw it, I'll check steam
[00:26:59] <SpallsHurgenson> Wolf:New Age I think
[00:27:19] <mrcoolbp> New Order
[00:27:38] <SpallsHurgenson> that's what I said, you just heard me wrong :)
[00:27:50] <mrcoolbp> it's $60 though = /
[00:27:51] <juggs> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net should give you an idea where the 730 sits in relative speed / ability mrcoolbp
[00:27:52] <monopoly> ^ 03PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards
[00:28:23] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I"m looking for "knee of the curve" not cutting edge, still open to suggestions, want to spend very little
[00:28:54] <juggs> well judging by that - the 730 is more !ankle of the curve" :D
[00:29:01] <mrcoolbp> lol, lemme take a look
[00:29:13] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, the x30 line is always pretty low power
[00:29:47] <mrcoolbp> damn: GeForce GTX 780 Ti
[00:30:01] <mrcoolbp> beats all the $2000 cards
[00:30:18] <juggs> yup - always worth remembering the later two numbers are more important than the first in a lot of ways :D
[00:30:28] * mrcoolbp was looking to spend like $80 though
[00:30:54] <SpallsHurgenson> but the last number is always "0" :)
[00:31:26] <juggs> ahhh - that is an important detail mrcoolbp :D
[00:31:36] <mrcoolbp> yeah...
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[00:31:39] * mrcoolbp is cheap
[00:31:54] <mrcoolbp> I spent like 600 on the machine + monitor
[00:32:06] <mrcoolbp> just want to give it a boost
[00:32:12] <SpallsHurgenson> try a PS3 :)
[00:32:22] <JamesNZ> ~gday chromas
[00:32:23] * mrcoolbp whacks spalls with a ps2
[00:32:23] <exec> * JamesNZ fanatically flings a bathtub of red cordial at chromas
[00:32:49] <chromas> ~g'day JamesNZ
[00:32:50] <exec> * chromas surreptitiously hurls a wad of boogers at JamesNZ
[00:32:53] <chromas> Not sure where I went
[00:32:56] <chromas> ~gday JamesNZ
[00:32:56] <exec> * chromas insubordinately blows a used franger of bewb at JamesNZ
[00:33:00] <chromas> thought it used to take apostrophes
[00:33:14] * chromas 's net's slow I guess
[00:33:23] <juggs> you might achieve better bang for that amount going 2nd hand. Although bear in mind a lot of 2nd hand amd stuff is going to have been used balls to the wall for months doing coin mining.
[00:34:44] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yeah, I haven't reached any conclusions yet
[00:35:00] <mrcoolbp> juggs: that chart is informative, thx
[00:35:39] <mrcoolbp> looks like the 750 is a much better choice for example
[00:36:05] <mrcoolbp> damn, so many cards
[00:36:42] <mrcoolbp> ooh Radeon HD 6970
[00:36:58] <mrcoolbp> that looks like the knee
[00:37:10] <juggs> and not all equal either on the same model either - different vendors packages perform differently
[00:37:36] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I'm more of an NVidea guy, but mostly by loyalty and from what I remember reading
[00:37:36] <juggs> what are your concerns about power consumption?
[00:37:40] <juggs> if any/
[00:37:58] * SpallsHurgenson is an nvidia guy mostly from having used ATI :)
[00:38:03] <mrcoolbp> juggs: hmm, not sure, just went to best buy and bought the system on a similar approach = )
[00:38:10] <mrcoolbp> juggs: how should I check that?
[00:38:11] <JamesNZ> ~grab SpallsHurgenson
[00:38:34] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, buy me dinner first!
[00:38:35] <mrcoolbp> SpallHurgenson: yeah, like I said, that's what I hear
[00:38:45] <mrcoolbp> lol, about the first comment tho
[00:38:56] <mrcoolbp> s/first/prev/
[00:38:56] <SedBot9001> <mrcoolbp> lol, about the prev comment tho
[00:39:23] <SpallsHurgenson> mind you, I haven't used ATI (erm, AMD now) in several years
[00:40:01] <juggs> 6970 runs ~240W flat out - check what psu you have!
[00:40:16] <mrcoolbp> damn, thats a bit of consuption there
[00:40:30] <mrcoolbp> juggs: how do I check? google the model of my system?
[00:40:49] <SpallsHurgenson> open the box and read the sticker :)
[00:40:53] <mrcoolbp> I could open the box I guess, haven't done that yet and I've had it a month!
[00:40:55] <SpallsHurgenson> then divide by two :)
[00:40:59] <mrcoolbp> er, 3 weeks
[00:41:14] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, why divide by two?
[00:41:18] * mrcoolbp opens the tower up exposing the inner bits
[00:41:28] <juggs> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!
[00:41:36] <juggs> oops there goes mrcoolbp RIP
[00:41:45] <mrcoolbp> ouch
[00:42:00] * mrcoolbp grounds self then attempts again
[00:42:02] <SpallsHurgenson> 'cause those stickers aren't always that honest :)
[00:42:09] <mrcoolbp> Spalls: nod
[00:43:13] <juggs> s'why I bought a decent ocz power supply when I added my gpu. What I had was some no name piece of crap and I didn't trust it not to fry something.
[00:43:13] * mrcoolbp wonders if it's a good sign there are screws and not a quick-release
[00:43:36] <juggs> ~shrug~ saves a few cents
[00:43:50] <SpallsHurgenson> it only means you bought a consumer model, and not one they expect you to tinker around in
[00:44:00] <SpallsHurgenson> just be glad they didn't glue everything in there :)
[00:44:04] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[00:44:27] <SpallsHurgenson> 31 teeth
[00:45:17] <mrcoolbp> juggs: 130W max = /
[00:45:35] <mrcoolbp> "total not to exceed 300W"
[00:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't lick the power supply
[00:45:46] <mrcoolbp> too late
[00:45:51] <mrcoolbp> tastes funny
[00:46:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> they never put that warning there but they really should
[00:46:04] <mrcoolbp> there's a bunch of japanese writing too
[00:46:11] <mrcoolbp> TMB: agreed
[00:46:27] <mrcoolbp> power supplies are cheap tho right?
[00:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, yer gonna play hell getting a decent gpu on that power supply
[00:46:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally.
[00:46:35] <SpallsHurgenson> they will as soon as somebody licks, dies and they get sued :)
[00:46:46] * mrcoolbp loads newegg
[00:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice 750-1000W should do you right up
[00:47:05] <SpallsHurgenson> and then we will all bitch about how they put stupid warning labels like "do not lick" on a PSU :)
[00:47:05] <mrcoolbp> k
[00:48:06] <mrcoolbp> hmm, 730W for $49
[00:48:06] <juggs> that's your $80 budget blown mrcoolbp :(
[00:48:10] * SpallsHurgenson looks at a 770/4GB
[00:48:14] <juggs> what make?
[00:48:29] <mrcoolbp> RAIDMAX HYBRID
[00:48:41] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, get a no-name Chinest power supply! Those are the best!
[00:48:49] <mrcoolbp> okay sweet!
[00:49:08] <SpallsHurgenson> the smoke they release when they burn out is INTOXICATING :)
[00:49:18] <mrcoolbp> hmm, "corsair" equiv is $130, not a good sign = (
[00:49:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> think you'll dig the 6970. much more stable with the drivers than the 7790 i have
[00:49:46] <juggs> sounds about right on the corsair
[00:49:59] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah but now I gotta look at power supplys = /
[00:50:14] <mrcoolbp> this is getting more expensive as juggs noted
[00:50:41] * mrcoolbp raises fist at his father for teaching him "knee of the curve"
[00:50:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i wouldn't sweat it on the cheapo ps. as long as it can hold 2/3 its rated wattage at 750 you should be good
[00:51:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd be more worried about spikes from the PSU
[00:51:23] <SpallsHurgenson> (if its a cheapie)
[00:51:28] <mrcoolbp> hmm, 600W corsair for $64, would that do it?
[00:51:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, should
[00:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> 300 now + 240 = 540
[00:52:07] <mrcoolbp> otherwise it's an Acer with a Core i5
[00:52:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if you were running too close to 300 you'd be having issues.
[00:52:10] <SpallsHurgenson> that'll carry you on everything except the really high-end vid-cards
[00:52:18] <SpallsHurgenson> their power recommendations are always a bit high anyway
[00:52:38] <mrcoolbp> hmm, $80 has turned into $160
[00:52:43] <SpallsHurgenson> (unless you have lots of extra HDDs or something in the machine)
[00:52:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> usually does
[00:52:49] <mrcoolbp> not yet
[00:52:54] <mrcoolbp> TMB: nod
[00:52:54] <juggs> isn't that always the way :D
[00:52:57] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[00:53:16] * SpallsHurgenson is staring $379 in the face and waiting to see who blinks first :)
[00:53:17] <mrcoolbp> Spalls: I do have another 500gb sata I never utilized
[00:53:25] <mrcoolbp> Spalls: WRT what?
[00:53:42] <SpallsHurgenson> evga 770
[00:54:28] <Landon> SpallsHurgenson: I just spent $300 today
[00:54:31] <Landon> so you have my permission
[00:54:35] <Landon> :)
[00:54:46] * Landon has a very big tent now
[00:54:57] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, camping trip!
[00:55:01] <mrcoolbp> damn, looks like only one pci-e port, and some other tiny one
[00:55:04] <SpallsHurgenson> or circus
[00:55:07] <Landon> haha
[00:55:08] <mrcoolbp> how things have changed
[00:55:09] <Landon> camping big
[00:55:11] <Landon> not circus big
[00:55:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> think my next upgrade is gonna be slapping a 4TB drive in then raid-5-ing the 3x1TB drives i have
[00:55:22] <Landon> 7 pehttp://www.cabelas.com
[00:55:24] <Landon> giggidy
[00:55:29] <mrcoolbp> what the hell is this tiny expansion port?
[00:55:30] <Landon> http://www.cabelas.com
[00:55:42] <Landon> mrcoolbp: graphics card?
[00:55:48] <Landon> oh wait, on a motherboard?
[00:55:54] <juggs> yeah - for power consumption on a given card hit up the amd or nvidia site for the spec sheets and look for the TDP figure - that'll give you a very top end theoretical maximum. You can also try https://litecoin.info that was some wattage figures as actually measured for cards being used flat out when mining.
[00:55:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Mining hardware comparison - Litecoin Wiki
[00:56:01] <SpallsHurgenson> I visited the camp grounds where my parents used to take us camping when I was kids this summer... almost ran out and bought myself a tent then and there
[00:56:18] <Landon> yeah, we had the campground to ourselves almost
[00:56:20] <mrcoolbp> Landon, yeah above my pci-e port
[00:56:23] <Landon> 50 spots with no one in site
[00:56:27] <SpallsHurgenson> ... 'cept then I would also have had to buy a sleeping bag... and a gas grill... and a lantern... and a cooler... and...
[00:56:37] <Landon> mrcoolbp: pci-e x1 port would be my only guess
[00:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, it's a pcie 1x port almost certainly
[00:56:46] <Landon> pf, gas grill and lantern :)
[00:56:51] * mrcoolbp googles
[00:56:58] <Landon> we did well without, were able to get some free firewood from parents though
[00:57:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> used for almost nothing ever
[00:57:10] <mrcoolbp> this is what you get when you don't buy a new computer for 7 years =
[00:57:25] * SpallsHurgenson looks at the website. "Nice tent". We stopped camping when those dome tents were the big new thing on the market
[00:57:25] <juggs> annoyingly placed to block the fans on anything in the pci-e x16 slot no doubt
[00:57:40] <Landon> yep, hopefully this one lasts the years
[00:57:40] <mrcoolbp> exactly juggs!
[00:57:46] <mrcoolbp> how'd ya know?
[00:57:52] <Landon> so it can become our generations "shitty tent the parents always want to pull out"
[00:57:53] <mrcoolbp> Landon: that is my hope
[00:58:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i could get another 7790 instead and crossfire them...
[00:58:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, need more room for pr0n
[00:58:18] <mrcoolbp> good point
[00:58:18] <juggs> nod nod, my board has the only free pci slot there - so if I use my sound card, the vid card goes into fan overdrive with any moderate use
[00:58:42] <Landon> SpallsHurgenson: I completely forgot about the whole selfserve campground thing until I was confronted with "How much is this weekend going to cost???"
[00:58:49] <Landon> guess I need to keep a checkbook in the car, just in case
[00:58:57] <mrcoolbp> juggs: does anyone really need an expansion sound card these days?
[00:59:08] <mrcoolbp> I guess if you are doin' 5.1
[00:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, two schools of thought on that. the audiophile and the sane person.
[00:59:29] <mrcoolbp> nod
[00:59:53] <mrcoolbp> I'm a geek on a budget, usin' the same pair of bose desktop speakers from 1999, and they are still too bass-y = )
[01:00:08] <SpallsHurgenson> three schools! the gamer wants a soundcard because it MIGHT save him an infinitesimally small number of CPU cycles :)
[01:00:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy to keep an old one around in case onboard goes out but aside from that not really
[01:00:13] <juggs> newp, just my on-board sound chip had a weird clock issue that reported itself as 20,999Hz which bugged out the casting s/ware I was using which called for 21Khz
[01:00:34] * SpallsHurgenson goes back to thinking about camping...
[01:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> camping... no thank you. too much like field exercises in the army.
[01:01:20] * SpallsHurgenson decides it's probably just easier and cheaper to rent a hotel room in the area :)
[01:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> had my fill
[01:01:41] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, nod nod, my soundblaster 5.1 lives in an anti-static bag now. On board is just fine for most things
[01:01:41] <Landon> SpallsHurgenson: unless you're in vegas, those are at least $60 :)
[01:01:44] <Landon> think of the savings!
[01:02:00] <Landon> (over a period of 5 years assuming 2 visits/yr)
[01:02:11] <SpallsHurgenson> Landon: probably closer to $120-$150 where I'm thinking of :)
[01:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, i have a sb 5.1 and a 7.1 doing the same. i kinda pity them.
[01:02:25] <Landon> I don't think it will eliminate my hotel needs though :( still need room to get changed to attend weddings most of the time we are out of town
[01:02:45] <mrcoolbp> shit there are diff versions of pci-e!?
[01:02:46] <Landon> I just need to convince my wife to get this tent though? http://www.cabelas.com
[01:02:54] <Landon> mrcoolbp: backwards compatible, thankfully
[01:02:58] * SpallsHurgenson wouldn't stay there that long though... I mean, who wants to be away from the Internet that long
[01:02:58] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, think of them as a nuclear arsenal. The minute you sell or hand them on, you know your on-board will revolt and pack up on you :D
[01:03:04] <mrcoolbp> Landon: well at least
[01:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, several. mine's currently at 3.0
[01:03:16] <mrcoolbp> fuck, how do I check that shit
[01:03:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[01:03:35] <mrcoolbp> I'm useless as a nerd these days
[01:03:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> should say on the motherboard docs
[01:03:46] <mrcoolbp> ....
[01:03:54] * mrcoolbp tries to figure out what mother board he has
[01:04:09] <juggs> lol device manager should also give a clue (presume it is still called that in latest windows)
[01:04:10] <ciri> heh
[01:04:37] <mrcoolbp> k
[01:04:49] <juggs> mrcoolbp, get a torch and seek out the model number on the board itself - then google it :D
[01:04:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> windows? oh right, that's still around.
[01:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ^^
[01:05:02] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I *was* doing that
[01:05:36] <juggs> generally easier than faffing around trying to find info via the OS :D
[01:05:52] <mrcoolbp> yeah, but you distracted me with device manager = )
[01:06:18] <juggs> hehe - that was for the PCI-E info. But find the board details and the boardmanual will reveal all
[01:06:29] <SpallsHurgenson> Landon: that tent looks like an Imperial Troop Transport! http://starwars.wikia.com
[01:06:30] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03window.NREUM||(NREUM={}),__nr_require=function(t,n,e){function r(e...: Telgorn Corporation[1]
[01:06:49] * juggs shushes so mrcoolbp can concentrate *whistles*
[01:07:20] <Landon> SpallsHurgenson: hah, it was hard to tell at the store which of the tents were normal people tents and which you would use professionally to scam^Wearn money from suckers
[01:07:45] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, $2000? You might as well start investing in an RV
[01:08:12] <SpallsHurgenson> does the tent come with those antlers shown in the picture?
[01:08:36] <Landon> that's an extra $1k, for sure
[01:09:06] <SpallsHurgenson> you go wilderness camping, or campground camping?
[01:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> I got my 24' travel trailer for $1k. Considering moving in to it and becoming a pikey.
[01:09:24] <SpallsHurgenson> ~define pikey
[01:09:25] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3pikey: From the English "turnpike", the place where itinerent travellers and thieves would camp near a settlement. Pikey is not a racial group, the term is used to describe anyone who lives in a ca...
[01:09:39] <SpallsHurgenson> (good god, the bot was actually useful)
[01:12:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> got a great price on it cause the former owners smoked in it like chimneys and i had to wash every surface in it to get decades of smoke off.
[01:13:26] <SpallsHurgenson> 24'; that's a a pretty big trailer
[01:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, pretty good size. bigger than one person needs really.
[01:14:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> could sleep six before i started modifying it for better single person usage
[01:14:39] * mrcoolbp gives up on finding the motherboard manual
[01:14:59] <SpallsHurgenson> you need all that room for the server racks and satellite gear :)
[01:15:28] <juggs> mrcoolbp, what info did you get off the board?
[01:16:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> took out the bench seats and kitchen table that turned into one bed. lot more room in the livingroom/kitchen half now.
[01:16:07] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I can imagine TheMightyBuzzard kitting out his trailer with a faraday arrangement :D
[01:16:12] <mrcoolbp> MS - 7869 Version 1.0
[01:16:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, gotta be able to pirate wifi
[01:16:38] <SpallsHurgenson> needs a wall of monitors
[01:16:39] <mrcoolbp> a few links said it had 3 pci slots, but alas it has one (plus the x1 thing)
[01:16:45] <juggs> Acer Aspire?
[01:16:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooh it really does
[01:16:53] <mrcoolbp> juggs def acer
[01:17:03] <mrcoolbp> Aspire T
[01:17:04] * juggs wields google-fu
[01:17:11] <mrcoolbp> yay
[01:17:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> styrofoamed all but two of the windows on the inside. less of that annoying bright yellow ball stuff and better insulation.
[01:18:16] <SpallsHurgenson> TheMightyBuzzard: have you considered BURYING the trailer for that authentic basement feel? :)
[01:18:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't think it's tough enough.
[01:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides, then i couldn't wag it out to fishing spots
[01:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing it really needs now is about 10 more enormous 12v deep-cycle marine batteries and an inverter. only has one now to run the lights
[01:21:00] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I don't remember having that many in my parents' 28 footer
[01:21:07] <mrcoolbp> we had microwave, etc
[01:21:12] <mrcoolbp> maybe 2?
[01:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i wanna be able to run all the electricity for 10-12 hours.
[01:22:15] <SpallsHurgenson> mrcoolbp: remember, he has server racks, satellite gear and a wall of monitors to power :)
[01:22:24] <mrcoolbp> ah yes
[01:22:29] <SpallsHurgenson> also, a death laser :)
[01:22:39] <mrcoolbp> TMB: guess we were ususally connected
[01:22:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> death laser needs to be top mounted
[01:22:51] <mrcoolbp> naturally
[01:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd need to shore up the roof though. it wasn't that sturdy when i re-rubbered it last summer.
[01:23:25] <mrcoolbp> juggs: meh, my wife is calling me for movie time, maybe I shouldn't waste your time searchin'
[01:23:44] <juggs> roof covered in solar panels and a couple of turbines that get driven as you roll along the road TMB?
[01:24:00] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I think that would just cost more in gas...
[01:24:47] <SpallsHurgenson> you need a trailer for the trailer with portable generators :)
[01:24:57] <mrcoolbp> +1 interesting
[01:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, nah, then i'd have prius drivers wanting to talk to me. need a generator that runs on the distilled suffering of hipsters.
[01:25:05] <juggs> mrcoolbp, no worries, I'm killing time anyway. It's an Acer specific MSI board so the info may be unfindable. I'll leave something for your scroll back if I uncover anything. Go enjoy your movie :D
[01:25:24] <mrcoolbp> cool, you rock, g'night fer now guys
[01:25:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[01:25:34] <mrcoolbp> = )
[01:26:07] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, you need something that can run on fish. As you don't eat the things - at least they could power your power gen needs :D
[01:26:30] <juggs> "power your power" - yeah that's not sane
[01:26:33] <SpallsHurgenson> I wonder how well cats would take to living in a caravan
[01:29:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> biodiesel
[01:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, surprisingly well if you let them be outside cats during the day.
[01:30:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> but think about it. 10-12 deep cycle marine batteries would make one mean bastard of a UPS
[01:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus you gotta have something that'll store up enough energy for the death laser
[01:31:46] <juggs> do the cats manage to find their way back to the van if you park up in a new place every day? I assume they do, they're not exactly dumb creatures
[01:32:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they mostly just sleep under it. they're cats.
[01:33:12] <SpallsHurgenson> then again, my cat is terrified of the elevator so maybe I should reconsider :)
[01:36:41] * SpallsHurgenson presses the button and drops $400 on a new GPU... somedays being a member of the PC Master Race really sucks :)
[01:40:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The NSA Breach of Telekom and Other German Firms - http://sylnt.us - Fruenden
[01:41:28] <juggs> mrcoolbp, hit up the Support section on the acer.com site and go for the drivers & manuals section. You'll need to plug in your serial number or model number.
[01:41:40] <SpallsHurgenson> oh NSA, is there anyone you WON'T spy on?
[01:43:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, that's actually doing what the NSA is SUPPOSED to do though. it's us they're supposed to be forbidden from spying on.
[01:43:25] <swiss> SpallsHurgenson: mexicans
[01:44:02] <SpallsHurgenson> note: OEMs tend to use a variety of similar parts for the same brand of machine so take what their websites say with a grain of salt :)
[01:44:31] <juggs> mrcoolbp, bit of a mixed bag there for the Aspire T range. Some have manuals that actual detail the board specs, others are just wish-washy how to plug stuff in. Recent Aspire T's do seem to be pci-e v3. It's probably exactly the same board as one in MSI's main range but it's going to be impossible to nail down. Mebber worth dropping Acer an email to ask for a proper motherboard manual rather than the user guides that are on the support site
[01:44:42] <swiss> the problem for the NSA and all this stuff is that the internet has made identifying citizens of a country exteremely hard
[01:45:06] <swiss> since servers hosted in the US get traffic from foreigners, and foreigners cause traffic on servers within the US
[01:45:09] <SpallsHurgenson> TheMightyBuzzard: I dunno, these days I think the NSA is just going for the easy targets and not bothering trying to listen in to Al Qaeda, Russsia, China or any of the real nasties anymore :)
[01:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, that's their problem, not mine.
[01:45:14] <juggs> mrcoolbp, n.b. pretty much all the aspire T range is showing available bios updates available. Might be worth checking yours is up to date.
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[01:45:34] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, just saying I don't know if I would have handled it any better than they did
[01:46:16] <swiss> the problem was when they started prosecuting citizens within the US with their spying programs. But collecting data like that, it's hard NOT to act when you see clear violations of the law
[01:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, they could have at least dropped any packets whose source/dest geolocated to the US.
[01:46:48] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: but proxies, and spies/terrorist members within the US
[01:46:52] <SpallsHurgenson> (yay, newegg has confirmed that have drained my bank account :)
[01:47:02] <swiss> which is part of what they're supposed to be preventing
[01:47:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> tough. even spies/etc have rights
[01:47:37] * SpallsHurgenson gives up eating for the next month
[01:47:42] <juggs> Apparently that latest Deutche Telecom NSA story is to do with mapping out each and every endpoint - as in every CPE device the customers have in service. Not hard to achieve really.
[01:47:43] <swiss> people who aren't here legally don't
[01:47:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[01:48:23] <swiss> you think that we don't have members of extremist organizations who are here past the date of their visa, or didn't cross the border illegally?
[01:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone whose feet are on US soil has every right in the constitution cept voting
[01:48:35] <SpallsHurgenson> constitutionally, the laws apply to everyone in the country, not just its citizens :)
[01:48:43] <SpallsHurgenson> semi-jinx
[01:48:52] * SpallsHurgenson punches TMB twice in the shoulder
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[01:49:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> look, twins
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[01:49:51] <swiss> prior to NSA issues, was traffic even "constitutionally protected" data?
[01:49:57] <swiss> afaik it isn't
[01:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> constitutionally, no. legally, yes.
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[01:50:42] <SpallsHurgenson> arguably yes, by the fourth ammendment. Others argue however it does not apply.
[01:51:07] <swiss> but either way, I don't think that evidence should have been applicable for citizens arrests
[01:51:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. could very easily fall under unreasonable search but wiretapping laws are a better fit.
[01:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not legally.
[01:51:50] <SpallsHurgenson> the main disagreement is whether data transmitted over the wire counts as "papers" (e.g., personal info) or whether that right is surrendered when it is transmitted
[01:52:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> they had to wink wink nudge nudge the FBI/ATF/DEA and launder the intel
[01:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> which says even they knew it wasn't legal
[01:52:40] <SpallsHurgenson> even the NSA these days is grudgingly accepting that the actual data should be protected (which is why they "only collect meta-data" :)
[01:53:56] <swiss> however, the problem is still that their goal, protecting the US against foreign intelligence/monitoring foreign intelligence, includes monitoring data flowing
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[01:54:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> they "only collect meta-data under X program". they're always very clear about saying under X program.
[01:54:26] <swiss> I totally agree that they overstepped their bounds, but that doesn't mean I think the entire program was wrong
[01:55:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> it wasn't. they do a useful job. they just lost their damned fool minds while doing it.
[01:55:27] <swiss> collecting meta data makes sense, then using the meta data to get warrants to investigate possible issues
[01:55:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, no. only for stuff falling within their mandate.
[01:55:57] <swiss> right, which is the only places they should have warrants approved
[01:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:56:18] <swiss> a judge should be the one determining whether it falls within their mandate: That's the purpose of the warrant
[01:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they should NOT be sharing intel.
[01:56:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[01:56:37] <swiss> ehhh..... I don't know the restrictions around groups like FBI
[01:56:47] <SpallsHurgenson> mind you, I'm not sure the NSA /can/ get warrants. Their charter isn't law enforcement. It's signal intercept.
[01:57:09] <swiss> but perhaps they could be sharing metadata, and the FBI could have the option of getting their own warrant
[01:57:15] <SpallsHurgenson> it would probably be the CIA/FBI that gets the warrant and then contacts the NSA for assistance, if I recall correctly
[01:57:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, nah. the FBI would then be using intel that is illegal to collect on us residents against them in court. fruit of the poisonous tree.
[01:58:23] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: if the metadata isn't illegal to collect, why couldn't the FBI be the ones collecting it?
[01:58:49] <swiss> SpallsHurgenson: i think the NSA would get the warrant for investigation, and the FBI would get the warrant for arrest after the NSA did more investigation
[01:59:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, if it weren't illegal, the fbi WOULD be collecting it.
[01:59:26] * SpallsHurgenson is reminded of the following quote : http://www.imdb.com
[01:59:41] <swiss> the NSA has a lot more resources than the FBI as far as electronic communications goes iirc
[02:00:01] <swiss> SpallsHurgenson: i worked in the toy-company building
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[02:00:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> they do but they're not legally allowed to use them against us residents
[02:00:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> spy intel can not be used in a court of law.
[02:00:41] <juggs> be thankful you have the fruit of the poisonous tree to fall back on at least ~maybe~. we don't even have that here. :(
[02:00:54] <swiss> lol
[02:00:55] <ciri> rofl
[02:01:00] <swiss> australia is all kinds of screwy recently
[02:01:04] <swiss> didn't the whole parilment get fired?
[02:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> awe man, i'd pay good money to see that here.
[02:01:30] <juggs> wouldn't know about Aus.
[02:01:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs = brit, yeah?
[02:02:06] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: talkking politics, I'm a democrat in california, but I think I'd like to see rick perry as the next president
[02:02:28] <juggs> apparently I'm dutch right now... tomorrow I may be finnish :D
[02:02:33] <swiss> juggs: nice!
[02:02:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, not me. i don't trust anyone with an ass that wide's self discipline.
[02:02:51] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: he seems to be doing right by texas, in spite of shitty lobbyists
[02:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh right, rick wasn't the lardass.
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[02:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> he was the texan.
[02:03:13] <swiss> yeah
[02:03:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm of two minds on that.
[02:03:31] <swiss> he's the one who drives a tesla, even though all the lobbyists there are trying to keep tesla out
[02:03:41] <swiss> and was trying to get the tesla superfactory built
[02:04:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like where he's coming from but i'm also duty bound as an okie to hate his living guts during college football season.
[02:04:22] <swiss> although I think his state is trash, and I think it'd be dumb to put the tesla factory there, he's fighting for his state, not for the lobbyists
[02:04:36] <swiss> and that's what I'd like to see in the presidency
[02:04:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> his state has the best economy in the nation. hands down.
[02:04:47] <juggs> swiss, not that I believe my traffic bouncing confuses any kind of spook analysis, it certainly seems to confuse the advertising hordes out there :D That's my aim. I'd be going off grid if I wanted to avoid the spooky types.
[02:04:48] <swiss> he just brought toyota over
[02:05:09] <swiss> juggs: i like the advertising hordes, i get fewer shitty advertisements :P
[02:05:25] <swiss> i'd rather see a commercial on the new BMW than the newest Kotex product
[02:06:30] <swiss> also, i grew up with the idea that nothing of mine was private. Ever. And growing up like that has led me to be okay with less privacy for more convenience... because I never had an assumption of privacy
[02:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i think you'd dig texas if you found somewhere that you dug the climate
[02:06:45] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: i've been all over texas, i don't like the people there
[02:06:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ick
[02:07:02] <swiss> i don't hate austin, or the people there, but it's surrounded by texas
[02:07:16] <juggs> I'd rather see none at all. I mercilessly slay their attempts at tracking beacons and the like.
[02:07:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird. i like the attitude. mostly it's "mind your own goddamned business"
[02:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i can't stand austin
[02:07:45] <SirFinkus> just snagged a g5 mac pro for $10, what should I do with it?
[02:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> too many hippies
[02:08:12] <juggs> I have family in college station - seemed OK when I briefly visited. feck knows what it would be like to live there.
[02:08:18] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: the attitude I hate is "I'll treat you the same, whether I'm okay with you or hate your guts... to your face"
[02:08:22] <SpallsHurgenson> PuppyLinux :)
[02:08:30] <SirFinkus> wanted something ppc for reasons I'm sure you all understand
[02:08:50] <swiss> debian is hard to get running on ppc
[02:09:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, to your face is generally the same as they treat you behind your back, if they even think of you at all.
[02:09:06] <SirFinkus> I was actually considering gentoo
[02:09:12] <SirFinkus> because gentoo is fun
[02:09:14] <swiss> i have a imac g4 running it that I use as a picture frame
[02:09:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> very forthright, your typical texan
[02:09:32] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: nah, the texas types I've met are more backstabby than middle school girls
[02:09:52] <swiss> also, i hate how they act on the road
[02:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> have no idea then man. i never seen it.
[02:09:58] <swiss> absolute worst drivers
[02:09:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> now that i can agree on
[02:10:07] * SpallsHurgenson used to use a PPC mac mini as a media server
[02:10:08] <swiss> not that they're bad at driving, but that they're road ragey as fuck
[02:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh they're bad at driving around austin. houston isn't as bad.
[02:10:32] <swiss> the only bummer is that I love tex mex
[02:10:32] <SpallsHurgenson> mac pro might be a bit big and loud for that :)
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[02:10:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> dallas is okay too if you stay out of downtown
[02:10:41] <SirFinkus> good idea SpallsHurgenson, but this thing probably has a little more grunt so I want to do something interesting
[02:10:43] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: my great grandmother lived in river oaks
[02:10:50] <swiss> my grandparents live in redoak
[02:11:17] <swiss> i'd be okay with canyon country if it weren't for the total lack of anything to do
[02:11:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> have cat looking at me through the screen door going "mew"
[02:11:31] <SirFinkus> part of me wants to gut it and put updated hardware in it, but that'd be a huge pita
[02:11:42] <SirFinkus> it's the nicest case I've ever seen though
[02:11:47] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB: don't fall for its tricks! It just wants you to go outside so it can EAT you!
[02:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> which translates to i would like to get my treats and go to bed now.
[02:12:17] <swiss> SpallsHurgenson: wait, is it laptop?
[02:12:23] <swiss> i was thinking mac pro, not macbook pro
[02:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, try around corpus christy. nice area.
[02:12:39] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: are there things to do there?
[02:12:43] <SirFinkus> assuming you meant that for me swiss, it's a mac pro
[02:12:51] <SpallsHurgenson> me? mine was that macmini, which was basically a laptop innards in a tiny desktop case :)
[02:12:53] <swiss> SirFinkus: mac pros were xeon I thought
[02:12:59] <SirFinkus> naw, pre intel
[02:13:03] <SpallsHurgenson> the mac pro is a proper tower, IIRC
[02:13:11] <SirFinkus> it's a beast
[02:13:39] <swiss> SirFinkus: i see the first one as being 2006, and xeon
[02:14:07] <swiss> oh, you're talking power mac
[02:14:16] <SirFinkus> http://support.apple.com
[02:14:17] <monopoly> ^ 03Power Mac G5 - Technical Specifications
[02:14:30] <swiss> yeah power mac
[02:14:40] <SirFinkus> looks like a mac pro lol
[02:14:43] <swiss> yeah
[02:14:44] * SpallsHurgenson used to have a PowerMac G3 and g4
[02:14:50] <swiss> mac pro is what they called it when they went xeon
[02:14:53] <swiss> that was my confusion :X
[02:15:09] <swiss> early or late model?
[02:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, yep and a big honkin gulf of mexico to go play in to boot.
[02:15:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> great place if you don't mind the occasional hurricane
[02:15:59] <swiss> humid?
[02:16:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> as much as anywhere on the coast
[02:16:26] <SirFinkus> oh man, I think this one has the dual cpus
[02:16:33] <SirFinkus> probably cost like 12k new or something
[02:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> more temperate than most of texas though cause of the gulf air cooling things down.
[02:17:15] <SirFinkus> now I'm really glad I picked it up, no ram or hard drives though
[02:17:38] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: if i'ts humid like houston, i can't do it
[02:17:55] <SpallsHurgenson> the powermacs still used scsi, right?
[02:18:27] <swiss> sata
[02:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> amarillo for you then. just fuck-all to do there.
[02:18:51] <SirFinkus> yeah, sata
[02:19:01] <swiss> i'm gonna gear up, and go ride motorcycle a bit
[02:19:04] <swiss> ttyl
[02:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't even go fishing cause there's no water to fish in.
[02:19:11] <SirFinkus> what's the deal with the ram on these? is it just ddr ecc stuff?
[02:19:20] <swiss> SirFinkus: LOL, SDRAM
[02:19:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios
[02:19:37] <swiss> glhf, expensive af
[02:19:56] <SirFinkus> aww, might still be worth it
[02:20:09] <SirFinkus> $10? worth it even if it's an end table
[02:20:36] <swiss> worst part: I just threw away like 80GB of SDRAM 2 weeks ago
[02:20:39] <SirFinkus> if I can get another one and a nice pane of glass I've got a whatever the fuck you call those things you put in front of couches
[02:20:49] <SirFinkus> brain fart on that
[02:21:15] <swiss> coffee table
[02:21:16] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee table
[02:21:23] <SirFinkus> ahh, thank you
[02:21:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> mini-fridge?
[02:21:43] <SpallsHurgenson> for a really long part of my life, it was called a milk crate :)
[02:21:49] <SirFinkus> what about the spool?
[02:21:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> spool works too
[02:22:16] <SirFinkus> more artistic than the milk crate
[02:22:36] <SirFinkus> "repurposed salvage wood coffee table"
[02:22:36] <SpallsHurgenson> harder to move, and can't stash books inside :)
[02:22:53] <swiss> that what if book from xkcd is my new coffee table book
[02:22:54] <SirFinkus> binders could work
[02:22:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> holy crap, i can get back to work and fix many small bugs tomorrow!
[02:23:09] <SpallsHurgenson> and create giant new ones :)
[02:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we gonna have an anemic 14.10 release.
[02:24:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i dunno bout 14.12 cause very good odds i'll be off a week or two moving during it.
[02:25:10] <SirFinkus> ahh, the ram isn't THAT bad, I could get this up and running for $40
[02:25:46] <SirFinkus> top end one only came with 512, might as well slap a gb in it
[02:26:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> may max out at 512, check that first.
[02:26:25] <SirFinkus> naw
[02:26:32] <SpallsHurgenson> 1GB RAM? Who could ever use that much memory?
[02:26:33] <SirFinkus> 8gb
[02:26:50] <SirFinkus> this thing was a fucking monster back in the day
[02:26:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[02:27:30] * SpallsHurgenson was reading a crichton novel the other day and loved how all his high-end computers still had memory measured in kilobytes
[02:27:43] <SirFinkus> oh god agp slot
[02:27:45] <SirFinkus> I feel old
[02:28:07] <SirFinkus> I took apart a few computers today with ISA slots, at least I'm not THAT old
[02:28:15] <chromas> Do you remember the vesa slot?
[02:28:18] <SirFinkus> and the old AT power supplies
[02:28:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> slap your voodoo3 card in it and scoff at all the people who said you'd never use it again
[02:28:23] <SpallsHurgenson> woot, VLB :)
[02:28:24] <juggs> SirFinkus, I ~think~ I have copious SDRAM sticks in an anti-static bag in one of my bits boxes, happy to post em for nowt. Although I ~think~ I may have binned them on my last move. Happy to have a rummage around if you have some patience. Too many boxes of stuff!
[02:28:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey i LIKED AT power supplies. on and off was way more simple.
[02:28:59] <SirFinkus> juggs: that would be awesome
[02:29:10] <SirFinkus> friend got a nasty shock off one once
[02:29:23] <SirFinkus> granted, we were using it to blow up an air matress
[02:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> see? need a do not lick label.
[02:29:49] <SirFinkus> I do remember the turbo buttons
[02:30:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> silliest thing ever invented. did anyone ever turn it off?
[02:30:32] <SirFinkus> you had to to play oregon trail at the right speed
[02:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> just made wing commander more of a challenge
[02:31:18] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: just like numlock
[02:31:19] <SirFinkus> I only have very dim memories about that stuff, I think my first computer was one of those ibm ps2s
[02:31:23] <juggs> I think they're in the box with the adaptec scsi 1 controller - which I know is a yellow box... that narrows it down to about 20 :D I really should catalog this shit.
[02:31:46] <SirFinkus> no hurry juggs, cleaning it out is priority 1
[02:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, with the model m keyboard that went clicky-clicky-clicky-clack?
[02:32:02] <juggs> yay! dust balls!
[02:32:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that you could use to brain an attacker if necessary?
[02:33:14] <SirFinkus> yeah
[02:33:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima donate these doom shareware cds still in the shrink wrap to our kickstarter if we ever get one going.
[02:33:22] <SirFinkus> wish I had saved them
[02:33:45] <SirFinkus> I think they were pretty out of date when I was playing with them, I want to say 94 or 95
[02:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> not too dated then
[02:34:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> they made them from 84 on up through the mid-90s
[02:35:31] <SirFinkus> yeah, I wish I knew what some of the software they were running was
[02:35:50] <juggs> handy having a lethal bludgeon weapon to hand when surprised by an intruder. SURPRISE motherfucker - this keyboard is actually a modern age mace! I would apologise for your caved in skull - but well yeah, you crept into my house while I was typing....
[02:36:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. who needs a gun when you have a model m
[02:37:08] <juggs> I'd rather have both.
[02:37:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know what i don't miss? TSRs.
[02:37:49] <juggs> But meh - apparently we're not responsible enough to be allowed guns here. :(
[02:38:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> cali is a CC state. get your license.
[02:38:18] <SirFinkus> naw, cali is may issue
[02:38:23] <SirFinkus> depends on the county
[02:38:51] <SirFinkus> some won't issue a cc unless you're famous or know the sheriff
[02:38:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh. insanity.
[02:39:26] <SirFinkus> I have a model m and 1911 because I like objects that double as bludgeons if need be
[02:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> 2A, bitches. come n take it if you've got the stones.
[02:39:36] <juggs> eh? me? not sure what use a CC license in cali would do me.
[02:39:53] <juggs> right, I'm away a few to rummage some boxes
[02:40:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> have fun
[02:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, got myself confused. juggs != swiss
[02:42:19] <SirFinkus> ungh, has some kind of battery in it, scares me a bit
[02:43:15] <SirFinkus> lol it weighs 40 pounds
[02:43:15] <ciri> now that is funny
[02:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmos battery?
[02:46:13] <SirFinkus> probably, doesn't seem to be leaking or anything
[02:46:13] * SpallsHurgenson hasn't been following the conversation... a 40lb CMOS battery?
[02:46:16] <SirFinkus> lithium
[02:46:25] <SirFinkus> talking about the g5
[02:46:33] <SirFinkus> apparently it weighs 40 pounds
[02:47:04] <SirFinkus> the side panel is like 3-4mm thick, solid aluminium
[02:47:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird on the lithium. may need to replace that.
[02:47:19] <SirFinkus> yeah, we'll see
[02:47:26] <SirFinkus> 0 corrosion or leakage
[02:47:32] <SirFinkus> so fingers crossed
[02:47:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima do the bed sleep thing.
[02:47:43] <SirFinkus> night
[02:47:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> you lot take care n have fun
[02:48:55] <SirFinkus> I also scored some generic NASsy thing, but it takes some bullshit power connector that I couldn't find
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[02:54:49] <SirFinkus> anyone know if there's a standard for external psu connections?
[02:55:18] <SirFinkus> the connector looks like a DIN (not mini) circular with 4 holes
[02:55:33] <SirFinkus> dc +12v +5v
[02:56:03] <SirFinkus> keyed at the top
[03:01:02] <juggs> sorry SirFinkus - I rummaged my yellow boxes (my ancient tech detritus stuff) and I can only conclude I must have ditched the SDRAM last time I moved. I do have some ISA modems and what I think are NE2000 NICs and some early scsi stuff with cables. On the plus side (for me) I found 14 USD cash and my car's stereo manual I've been on the lookout for for months as it has the unlock code scribbled on it.
[03:01:17] <SirFinkus> well, thanks for looking
[03:01:55] <SirFinkus> glad I was a catalyst for finding some cash and the manual though
[03:02:11] * SpallsHurgenson has a bunch of old SDRAM chips but is fairly certain that - after years of banging around loose in a box - they ain't no good no mo'
[03:02:31] <SirFinkus> I might have some too, I never throw stuff like that away
[03:02:33] <SirFinkus> to a fault
[03:02:41] <SirFinkus> unlikely though
[03:03:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I used to make keyrings with 'em and gave 'em away to fellow geeks as gifts
[03:03:09] <chromas> http://www.bixnet.com
[03:03:09] <monopoly> ^ 034-Pin Power Adapter for External Drive - PA215 Type A
[03:03:17] <juggs> no worries. Always the way - chuck something out, soon enough along comes a reason to have kept it. May not have been compatible in clock speed or w/e but I had a bag of 50 or so sdram modules of various ages, chances are something would have worked.
[03:03:43] <SirFinkus> that looks like it chromas, thanks
[03:04:01] <juggs> ~sigh~ I need to live in bigger places so I don't need to chuck stuff away.
[03:04:56] <SirFinkus> I wish my uncle was still around, he could probably help me rig something up that would work, might be a fun project
[03:05:27] <SirFinkus> but $30 for a nice little nas box? I'll take that any day
[03:06:47] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, they're fairly resilient to anything other than static damage. I'm sure SirFinkus could memtest them (or whatever the equiv is) when putting them into service.
[03:07:00] <Konomi> my house mate just got two new kinds of tea
[03:07:02] <Konomi> the labels say
[03:07:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I was thinking more about physical damage
[03:07:39] <Konomi> "Tetly: Tea plus: Calming"
[03:07:44] <Konomi> amnd the other says Uplifting
[03:07:48] <Konomi> my house mate is an idiot
[03:08:02] <SpallsHurgenson> at the very least, scratched up contacts, more likely some of the pins or chips are broken
[03:08:06] <SirFinkus> I really wish I had checked before buying it, there were 5-6 other computers that probably would have had the ram in them
[03:08:29] <SirFinkus> still a good purchase though
[03:09:16] <SirFinkus> and people give me old computers all the time because I don't say no
[03:09:33] <SirFinkus> and that I'll get all the pictures off the hard drives and destroy them after the fact
[03:09:55] <chromas> wink
[03:10:00] <chromas> Did I say that out lout?
[03:10:14] <chromas> ;) there that's better
[03:10:42] <juggs> ooh - big batteries! My first job had me installing these... http://www.old-computers.com (Applied Digital Data Systems Mentor 2000 systems - PICK database stuff) Those things weighed a ridiculous amount thanks to the integral "ups" battery in the bottom of the tower. They did shut down cleanly though in the event of a power outage.
[03:11:04] <SirFinkus> I was helping out at a garage sale and some methead looking guy just wanted all the hard drives
[03:11:09] <SirFinkus> that was a "no"
[03:11:40] <SirFinkus> I love old shit, I almost bought and old vax, but I don't have room for it
[03:12:15] <SirFinkus> my uncle had a big ol WANG
[03:13:22] <juggs> Konomi - no doubt the actual tea is the exact same in both. Some placebo BS going on there no doubt,
[03:13:38] <Konomi> probably but my house mate buys "natural" stuff all the time
[03:14:04] <SirFinkus> to be fair, good tea is great
[03:14:38] <SirFinkus> I don't go crazy though, ito en is good enough for me
[03:18:33] <juggs> SirFinkus, old 'puting stuff is great - running proper serial lines to vt100 terminals and dealing with token ring and thin ethernet (OK who removed the terminator?) was enjoyable when I was doing it for a living - not sure I'd do it as a hobby. Maybe once I retire, it's be nice to duff about in some museum tinkering with that stuff.
[03:18:59] <SirFinkus> anyway, if any of you guys are ever in the seattle area, the living computer museum is great fun, $10 and you can play with all kinds of stuff
[03:19:19] <SirFinkus> I think we've had a few stories about it
[03:19:43] <SirFinkus> yeah juggs, the old stuff is interesting to me because it was so diverse
[03:23:47] <SirFinkus> oh, tell me if you're going to the LCM if you don't mind me meeting up with you, any excuse is a good excuse to go there
[03:25:28] <SpallsHurgenson> if I could buy an old computer, it would be a Cray Y-MP :)
[03:26:16] <juggs> lol, I'd probably have an SSS on my boarding card if I flew into the US thanks to daring to have an irc client installed and using various proxies these days. Oh I once looked at the tails website too, might have even run a tor node for a while. Mebbe, I'll sneak in via Mexico :D
[03:28:40] <SirFinkus> they got a pdp 11 and stuff, it's interesting to see the machines that unix was designed on
[03:32:07] <SirFinkus> err, pdp 7 I think, tough to keep track
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[03:33:17] <SirFinkus> 4 running versions, 1 at the LCM
[03:34:58] <juggs> Konomi, I'm not so fast to completely disregard "natural" stuff as I once was. My sister is a kinesiology practictioner and decades long martial arts student - there's some things she does I can't rationally explain, but I can't find any reason to rationally refute as placebo or pure bollocks. As much as I want to send them burning in some scientific flames, I really can't because what I observe does not compute.
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[03:41:38] <SirFinkus> placebo is powerful, but I think I read a study once where acupuncture relieved lower back pain
[03:41:43] <SirFinkus> proper study
[03:50:21] <juggs> Did it detail ~how~ acupuncture did that? Pain control is a fascinating area in this regard and well deserving of research for people with terminal illness. I can only think it would be better to be able to mentally control the perception of pain than be continually shot up with ever increasing amounts of opiates on our way to the box. Personally, I'd rather go out knowing I'm going than in some haze. Mebbe that is just me.
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[03:53:39] <swiss> that was a fun ride
[03:53:41] <SirFinkus> juggs iirc, they couldn't figure it out, it was credible sounding enough for me not to dismiss it completley
[03:53:42] <swiss> motorcycles++
[03:53:42] <Bender> karma - motorcycles: 1
[03:54:09] <swiss> SirFinkus: i think it's chiropractics that has no real studies proving its effectiveness
[03:54:30] <SirFinkus> naw, some of them are legitimate
[03:54:33] <SirFinkus> a lot of bullshit though
[03:54:45] <swiss> what? I am talking about the field, not the practitioners
[03:54:54] <swiss> that they had no benefits over what a massage would have
[03:54:55] <SirFinkus> the naturopaths though, they're trobule
[03:55:00] <SirFinkus> trouble even
[03:55:47] <SirFinkus> well, massages are beneficial aren't they?
[03:56:01] <swiss> yes, but they don't have increased healing rates iirc
[03:56:08] <swiss> like physical therapy would
[03:56:17] <SirFinkus> I'm pretty sure most of the legit chiropractors charge similar to a good massage
[03:56:29] <SirFinkus> I don't know too much about them though
[03:56:45] <swiss> i don't remember exactly, i heard some doctors that I have a very high opinion of discussing it at a labor day party
[03:57:08] <swiss> and how ridiculous it was to have people called "Dr" in that field
[03:57:08] <SirFinkus> my cousin has some kind of spinal disease and he says his was able to help quite a bit
[03:57:21] <SirFinkus> anecdotes etc
[03:58:48] <SirFinkus> it seems a little less like bullshit to me because they actually do stuff, rather than just pointing crystals and colored lights at people
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[03:59:01] <SirFinkus> or selling them water
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[04:01:32] <juggs> lool my kinesiologist sister is married to a chiropractor - to be fair he sorted out my lower back in one extended session of manipulation after I had been hobbling around with sciatica for a couple of months.
[04:01:59] <juggs> study of one - I know
[04:02:23] <SirFinkus> I kind of view it as physical therapy, bending you in ways that may not be comfortable, but benificial
[04:03:05] <SirFinkus> again, I've done very little research into them, but it seems plausible
[04:04:32] <SirFinkus> reading the Kinesiology wiki page, it doesn't look like complete bullshit to me
[04:05:41] <SirFinkus> I don't see any ki or energy bullshit there
[04:09:29] <juggs> right - I think chiropracty is akin to traditional medicinal phys therapy. . He got me to stand and reach and walk while he observed, then did some probing around my spine with fingers before declaring a vertabra misaligned. Some manipulation later and job done. I liken him to a good mechanic - he knows how shit should fit together and when it goes out of spec he pushes it back within tolerance lol
[04:13:21] <juggs> SirFinkus, perhaps I should have guided you to Applied Kinesiology https://en.wikipedia.org - that's more the field my sis works in.
[04:13:22] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Applied kinesiology: Applied kinesiology (AK) is a technique in alternative medicine claimed to be able to diagnose illness or choose treatment by testing muscles for strength and weakness.[1] Applied kinesiologists are often chiropractors, but they may also...
[04:14:12] <juggs> swiss, how's the new bike going?
[04:14:18] <swiss> juggs: 155 miles now
[04:15:01] <swiss> nearly did a stupid tonight, came into a corner just fine buy my brain said "HUR DURR TOO HOT" and i rear braked, and locked it
[04:15:22] <swiss> but i was only going 30, nobody behind me, and a side street, so i just straightened up, slowed down, and then started back off again
[04:15:37] <Landon> :)
[04:15:47] <Landon> I did a stupid too tonight in the new vehicle
[04:15:54] <swiss> what kind of vehicle
[04:15:57] <juggs> swiss, you're not trying lol. Is it run in yet? Or have you been sold the - it doesn't need running in and it doesn't need an oil drop at 1000 miles BS.
[04:15:58] <Landon> tried to start from a stopsign in 2nd gear
[04:16:08] <Landon> swiss: manual hatchback
[04:16:22] <swiss> juggs: i'm keeping it under 6000 rpm till 400 miles
[04:16:26] <Landon> ended up killing the engine and slamming the steering wheel so I honked at the poor guy passing by
[04:16:44] <swiss> Landon: must be an old car to not be able to start off in 2nd
[04:17:09] <Landon> swiss: didn't realize I was in second though,not powerful enough to treat it like first
[04:18:04] <swiss> need to work on that clutch control!
[04:18:30] <swiss> the clutch on this bike is so weird. I have maybe 4% of the lever space that actually controls the clutch
[04:20:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alan Turning and the Zebra's Stripes - http://sylnt.us - just-so-stories
[04:21:11] <chromas> from the turning-complete dept
[04:21:46] <juggs> swiss, that rear brake lost me my hip skin. Going into a corner I knew well a little hot trailing the rear brake - yeah, had been windy the night before and there was some tree detritus on the road, rear locks up on a stick and lowsides me... 60mph gravel rash over a curb ensues. Just glad there was no traffic coming the other way, and wore leather pants from that day on.... denim vs tarmac is no match. :D
[04:22:03] <swiss> ouch
[04:24:03] <swiss> i wear kevlar pants with hip pads
[04:24:05] <swiss> and knee pads
[04:24:52] <juggs> I didn't care at the time, I was probably 19 or so - scabbed over and healed a nice scar. In retrospect it could have ended very differently. Ahh the fecklessness of youth.
[04:25:05] <swiss> lol
[04:28:30] <juggs> well knee pads are just for show - they aren't crash protection and I don't see anyone riding fast enough that they actually need knee sliders to prop up their bikes cornering. Sure some manage to stick a knee out and scrape a pad but seriously on the road no-one is actually having to use them like GP riders do.
[04:29:32] <SirFinkus> motorcycles are terrifying to me
[04:30:26] <SirFinkus> maybe safer than bicycles though, since you can get out of trouble easier with the acceleration
[04:34:59] <swiss> juggs: mine are inside, and they're literal pads. They're for abrasion, not impact
[04:35:18] <swiss> just because that's an area that you put more pressure on if you fly off
[04:35:54] <juggs> granted they a donor cards on wheels SirFinkus (you do have a donor card right swiss?) - but as dangerous as they are they sure are fun.
[04:36:03] <SirFinkus> I bet
[04:36:26] <swiss> juggs: ofc, donor card
[04:36:34] <swiss> also, i feel safer than a bicyclist
[04:37:31] <Konomi> juggs: a lot of stuff is just kept in limbo to satisfy sales figures thought it is not hard to test stuff
[04:37:43] <Konomi> these people keep it actively untested so they can keep their stupid claims on what ti does
[04:39:36] <juggs> for sure - keep the lights on though swiss. IME riding fast as feck on quite roads is not dangerous, it's twats in boxs absent mindedly pulling out on you while in the suburbs that are the problem. Stay sharp.
[04:39:52] <juggs> quiet*
[04:39:59] <swiss> yeah
[04:41:29] <SirFinkus> same problem on bicycles, I've never crashed, but almost been killed by a few retards pulling out of starbucks
[04:41:46] <swiss> motorcycles are a ton safer than bicycles
[04:42:01] <swiss> have you seen the crazy armor you can wear riding a motorcycle?
[04:42:17] <SirFinkus> I bet, you have the option of speeding up and slowing down
[04:42:27] <swiss> yeah
[04:42:28] <SirFinkus> I can slow down
[04:42:36] <SirFinkus> and you move with the speed of traffic
[04:42:52] <swiss> and we're louder
[04:43:05] <SirFinkus> cycling is fun though, and good exercise
[04:43:36] <swiss> i've been surprised how tiring motorcycling is
[04:43:47] <swiss> i need to clean up my bike chain though
[04:43:52] <swiss> it is kinda rusty
[04:43:55] <juggs> Konomi, it's medicine. Follow the money, what's new. I say this as a guy with a surgeon father and a phys therapist mother - they are not best pleased how shit is going here to say the least. Not that I expect anyone here present to understand why socialised medicine could be a good thing.
[04:43:56] <swiss> (bicycle)
[04:44:37] <Konomi> we already have socialised medicine here
[04:44:41] <Konomi> but we still have this shit going on ;p
[04:44:51] <SirFinkus> as far as the US medical system is, it's pretty bullshit
[04:45:28] <SirFinkus> price gouging on basic medical supplies, and what can only be described as price fixing going on with medical proceedures
[04:46:51] <SirFinkus> my thoughts (if anyone cares) are that medical care should be heavily regulated or socialized because it's a captive market, and people have little control over how or when they need medical proceedures
[04:47:53] <Konomi> I think my house mate has a case of https://en.wikipedia.org anyway
[04:47:53] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Irritable male syndrome: Irritable male syndrome (IMS), is a term coined by a doctor working at the Medical Research Council's Human Reproductive Sciences Unit, in Edinburgh, Scotland, who studied the mating cycle of Soay sheep. During the autumn, the rams' test...
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[04:48:08] <Konomi> I don't see tea helping muchw ith it
[04:48:57] <Konomi> though on the other hand it woudl be nice if it did ;p
[04:49:23] <SirFinkus> he just needs to drink more tap water, because the jews are putting estrogen and flouride in it to pacify the populace
[04:49:30] <Konomi> \o/
[04:49:38] <SirFinkus> </conspiracy>
[04:49:56] <Konomi> floride effects hormones?
[04:50:31] <SirFinkus> I don't think so, but I used to work for a water company
[04:50:56] <Konomi> lol
[04:50:56] <SirFinkus> and we had some conspiratorial dipshits who thought we were letting jews put stuff in the water supply
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[04:51:25] <SirFinkus> which is a difficult complaint to respond to rationaly
[04:52:14] <Konomi> couldn't find any link to it effecting hormones
[04:52:30] <juggs> SirFinkus, I think socialised medical care should be an aim for any advanced society. No-one can plan whether or not they will be ill at this point. The US insurance game makes me angry, it's ambulance chasing capitalism at all costs stupidity.
[04:53:05] <swiss> juggs: my gf is about to become uninsured. Sucks ass.
[04:53:17] <SirFinkus> basically we have socialized medicine anyway
[04:53:24] <SirFinkus> just completely unregulated
[04:53:54] <juggs> no - you really don't.
[04:53:55] <SirFinkus> because uninsured people go to the ER all the time, and everyone else picks up the tab eventually
[04:54:37] <SirFinkus> so it bloats the cost of healthcare because people only go to the ER for more serious conditions
[04:55:10] <swiss> i wonder if you took no ID with you to the ER, and you had no thumbprints in the databases, and you pretend to be deaf, if you can go to the hospital for free
[04:55:13] <SirFinkus> it'd be much cheaper if people went earlier, therefore incentivizing early treatment is a good thing
[04:55:30] <juggs> yep - wait til conditions get to the level of needing ER treatment because no-one can afford regular care. That is not socialized medicine.
[04:55:51] <SirFinkus> I suppose socialized is the wrong term
[04:55:54] <juggs> You may have socialized triage at best.
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[04:56:55] <SirFinkus> I just meant citizens are sharing the cost of medicine for those that are unable to pay anyway, just in the worst and most inefficient way possible
[04:57:34] <juggs> yup
[04:57:57] <SirFinkus> aren't any real winners, insured people pay more and the "freeloaders" get less effective and more expensive treatment
[04:59:04] <SirFinkus> obamacare almost seems like the worst of both worlds, we really need to stop that kind of shit
[04:59:12] <juggs> and you get the divisive "freeloaders" thing to boot.
[04:59:13] <SirFinkus> just do government healthcare and get it over with
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[05:03:38] <juggs> I honestly don't understand US politics - it seems they are in some weird time warp of anything vaguely socialist equates to a red under the bed and we'll all be ploughing the fields with cast iron spikes on a stick if anything vaguely socialist is allowed to transcend. Socialism can be a good thing and does not have to mean big mean over bearing centralisation of power. I dunno, perhaps your politicos believed that there can only ever be two point
[05:03:38] <juggs> s of view.
[05:04:25] <SirFinkus> so basically, socialism here = soviet russia
[05:05:45] <SirFinkus> all buzzwords
[05:06:55] <SirFinkus> I'm fairly libertarian, but I'm all for government regulation in areas where people don't really have a choice, like healthcare, roads, and utilities
[05:07:43] <SirFinkus> personal liberty is great, liberty for corporations I'm more skeptical of
[05:08:32] <SirFinkus> liberty for individuals, not necessarily entities unless it benefits the individual
[05:10:13] <juggs> yeh, you really need to shake that 50's communism thing.
[05:13:31] <SirFinkus> we'll manage eventually, even if we're dragged kicking and screaming
[05:13:33] <juggs> I'm hesitant to pin a libertarian badge on myself as I think its definition has been conflated with nutters over there.
[05:14:06] <SirFinkus> it's about personal liberty for me
[05:14:20] <SirFinkus> I don't really have a label though
[05:14:49] <SirFinkus> we got guns though, which is cool
[05:15:07] <SirFinkus> and pretty good freedom of speech
[05:19:48] <juggs> I'm a brit and I have no problem with people owning guns. Not that we are allowed to own handguns any more. I just view them as a tool, like any other, use them appropriately and responsibly, what's the big fecking deal. Mostly, it's just a lump of cold steel.
[05:21:59] <juggs> In my mind I'm trying to design a society that socialises the common needs while leaving the business side of life to scrap it out.
[05:23:21] <juggs> Then try fitting that into a get from here to there....that's not going so well.
[05:25:15] <SirFinkus> yeah, it's tough
[05:26:28] <SirFinkus> if you're ever in the seattle area, I can take you to shoot big american .45ACP
[05:26:57] <SirFinkus> also got a nice lend-lease savage lee enfield
[05:27:08] <juggs> well it wouldn't be tough if starting from naught, what is tough is getting from here to there without leaving a gadjillion corpses.
[05:27:52] <SirFinkus> the gadjillion corpses stuff is tough, because revolution very rarely results in more liberty
[05:28:21] <SirFinkus> people point to the american revolution, but that's really one hell of an anomoly
[05:28:27] <juggs> if I ever survive the probing and make it to the Seattle region I'll be in touch :D
[05:29:31] <SirFinkus> hehe, you never know
[05:29:43] <SirFinkus> legal weed too, if you're into that
[05:31:35] <juggs> true, violent revolution, even best intentioned seems to leave the field open for something worse to fill the power void.
[05:33:21] <SirFinkus> even if you manage a "good" revolution, there is still a pretty nasty period of generally bad shit
[05:33:38] <SirFinkus> like that whole business with the french revolution
[05:34:09] <SirFinkus> and we didn't really treat "loyalists" with much respect
[05:39:44] <juggs> territorial squabbles. America was right to kick the brits out. Doesn't really help much in the grand scheme though. We've still got to get though Russia and China going all territory crazy as they go through their global pubescence. Give me a time capsule so I can zip forward and not witness the inevitable.
[05:41:08] <SirFinkus> I feel like we're going to have some bigger issues with Russia in the coming years, I'm uncertain about China
[05:42:08] <SirFinkus> Russia seems to be aggressively trying to re-establish itself as a superpower
[05:42:41] <SirFinkus> China seems less concerned with military might, but wants to claim any economic advantage it can
[05:43:02] <SirFinkus> source: reading the news and my ass
[05:44:21] <SirFinkus> the middle east seems to be a wild-card clusterfuck
[05:45:30] <SirFinkus> I guess we're at war with the "terrorists" again
[05:58:39] <juggs> The middle-east has been a mess since before we started drawing lines on maps delineating countries and then supporting regime of the day. Russia has been modernising their armoury - but for what? A ground war it seems. China will play the long game, drain the west financially seems to be the current strategy. They have something there I think, we're walking into that trap willingly by being drawn into traditional bomb shit conflicts in the mid-eas
[05:58:39] <juggs> t and mid-europe.
[06:01:35] <juggs> The next real war will not be waged with bombs and corpses, it will be financial.
[06:03:20] <SirFinkus> I see more of a cold-warish thing
[06:03:33] <SirFinkus> regional conflicts supported by larger powers
[06:03:44] <SirFinkus> kind of like Ukraine right now
[06:04:19] <juggs> yup - proxy wars.
[06:05:26] <SirFinkus> might have a big one eventually, but it really is difficult to get a gauge of the situation when you're living in it
[06:05:31] <juggs> kinda pathetic when you think about it.
[06:06:27] <swiss> just put all my motorcycle stuff into an app to manage it, over $10k invested in motorcycle stuffs so far
[06:07:39] <SirFinkus> I see shade of the Nazi claim on Czechoslovakia in the Russian annexation of Crimea
[06:07:59] <juggs> SirFinkus, sure would be good to fly off and get a helicopter view.
[06:08:56] <SirFinkus> I think maybe the stakes are too high for a world war at this point, we seem to be content with the proxy stuff
[06:09:35] <SirFinkus> "everybody dies" seems to be a pretty good disincentive to all-out war
[06:10:46] <SirFinkus> the scary part there is the religious nutters who want an apocalypse, I don't like that wildcard
[06:11:30] <juggs> "everybody dies" is ridiculous unless you are suggesting someone pushes the nuke button.
[06:11:50] <SirFinkus> I consider the nuke button all out war
[06:12:38] <juggs> I consider it stupidity.
[06:13:00] <SirFinkus> well, war is kind of stupid
[06:13:24] <SirFinkus> "I'm going to kill your guys until you agree with me"
[06:13:36] <SirFinkus> what it boils down to
[06:14:08] <juggs> yup
[06:14:20] <juggs> nothing new there
[06:14:56] <juggs> welcome to humanity
[06:15:46] <SirFinkus> so consider the scary part
[06:16:15] <SirFinkus> we've only really had the capability to kill everyone for a few decades
[06:17:49] <SirFinkus> it's an entirely new dynamic humanity has only just discovered
[06:18:49] <chromas> SirFinkus: so what /did/ the jews make you put into the water?
[06:21:16] <SirFinkus> oh nothing, we just had the local rabbi come and bless the wells every week
[06:21:28] <juggs> well we've had it a few generations now, and agreed it's a bad idea to actually use, formed non proliferation treaties and the like to try to keep it restrained.
[06:21:49] <SirFinkus> of course he had to be left alone because it would't be kosher if non-jews were in the room
[06:22:19] <chromas> ah-HAH!!12three
[06:22:23] <SirFinkus> a few generations, but really in the history of humanity that's a blink of the eye
[06:23:03] <SirFinkus> my grandmother was alive during the development of the atomic bomb
[06:24:35] <juggs> stop looking backwards. How it was is no predictor.
[06:25:10] <SirFinkus> that seems optimistic
[06:25:37] <SirFinkus> my main point is that it's an entirely new dynamic
[06:26:36] <SirFinkus> and we really came close several times during the cold war
[06:29:57] <juggs> glassing a city is not new. it may have brought about the end if WW2 but is not new and it would not be a sensible suggestion in any current conflict. The 80s cold war may be over but we still have MAD. nukes are not a sane weapon.... or maybe they are.....
[06:32:33] <SirFinkus> not all actors are sane
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[06:34:17] <SirFinkus> is a Dr. Strangelove scenario really that implausible?
[06:35:09] <SirFinkus> especially as more states acquire nuclear weapons, we aren't closing that box now that we have the knowledge
[06:35:38] <juggs> It doesn't matter. 1st sign of a nuke strike being launched and everyone launches a counterstrike before the assault lands. Sane or not - that's the way it is. I think MAD is an apt acronym.
[06:35:58] <SirFinkus> oh, I think we agree then
[06:36:33] <juggs> we do? what are we agreeing on?
[06:37:34] <SirFinkus> well, that in a nuclear war, there is no winner
[06:37:55] <SirFinkus> maybe our disagreement is the possibility that a nuclear war may actually occur?
[06:50:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We're All Nerds Now - http://sylnt.us - Tri-Lambda-Calculus
[06:56:59] <juggs> lol, did we disagree? I thought we were just chewing the fat.
[06:59:41] <SirFinkus> not sure, fat chewing did happen for a while
[06:59:48] <SirFinkus> too lazy to read logs
[07:00:29] <SirFinkus> anyway, the book "command and control" is relevant
[07:02:32] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:02:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 787
[07:12:09] <juggs> yup a paperback will tell you all you need to know about warfare. This smacks me of idiocracy a la WW1 trench warfare.
[07:13:33] <crutchy> talkin about war?
[07:13:37] <crutchy> war--
[07:13:37] <Bender> karma - war: -1
[07:13:53] * juggs hibernates
[07:14:33] <crutchy> running over grannies is acceptable though :p
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[08:02:08] <crutchy> lamb_shanks++
[08:02:09] <Bender> karma - lamb_shanks: 1
[08:11:02] * NCommander is doing somewhat better
[08:11:10] * NCommander is getting reintroduced to subversion :-/
[08:14:18] <crutchy> file_locking++
[08:14:18] <Bender> karma - file_locking: 1
[08:14:34] <crutchy> something that would be handy in git
[08:21:05] <JamesNZ> lamb_shanks++
[08:21:05] <Bender> karma - lamb_shanks: 2
[08:21:30] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:21:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 786
[08:21:33] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[08:21:33] <Bender> karma - fedora: 12
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[08:27:11] <crutchy> debian++
[08:27:11] <Bender> karma - debian: 22
[08:28:52] <crutchy> ~weather
[08:28:54] <exec> Weather for Traralgon VIC, Australia - currrently 12°C, rain, wind NE at 18 km/h, humidity 99% - Monday chance of rain (15°C, 7°C), Tuesday rain (15°C, 6°C), Wednesday chance of rain (13°C, 6°C), Thursday chance of rain (12°C, 3°C) - source: Google
[09:25:00] <crutchy> hi ground
[09:25:00] <ciri> hi there crutchy
[09:25:09] <crutchy> ~g'day ciri
[09:25:09] <exec> * crutchy fanatically flings a cheap plastic cup of bacon at ciri
[09:40:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why are Conspiracy Theories so Popular? - http://sylnt.us - Or-are-they...
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[10:22:43] <crutchy> ~revive KonomiNetbook
[10:30:18] <crutchy> ~count
[10:31:00] <crutchy> ~count crutchy
[10:31:14] <exec> privmsg count for crutchy in #soylent: 33077 over 194 days (171 per day avg)
[10:32:23] <crutchy> seems like a lot :/
[10:32:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:32:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 787
[10:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~openthepodbaydoors
[10:35:27] <ar> coffee--
[10:35:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 786
[10:39:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can't stand it
[10:39:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know you planned it
[10:39:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima set it straight, this watergate
[10:40:25] <ar> hm?
[10:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> beastie boys song stuck in my head from my alarm
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[11:03:33] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, s/ie/iality/
[11:03:33] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <TheMightyBuzzard> beastiality boys song stuck in my head from my alarm
[11:04:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, fix exec. it doesn't have an ~openthepodbaydoors command. i find that unacceptable.
[11:05:26] <crutchy> ~rehash
[11:05:27] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (79 aliases)
[11:05:29] <crutchy> does now
[11:08:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:08:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 787
[11:09:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~openthepodbaydoors
[11:09:19] <exec> Tiddely Quiddely
[11:09:19] <exec> Edward M. Kennedy
[11:09:19] <exec> Quite unaccountably
[11:09:19] <exec> Drove in a stream.
[11:09:19] <exec> Pleas of amnesia
[11:09:19] <exec> Incomprehensible
[11:09:20] <exec> Possibly shattered
[11:09:20] <exec> Political dream.
[11:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> strange but better
[11:10:09] <crutchy> its just fortune -s -o
[11:10:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[11:10:26] <crutchy> till someone comes up with something better anyway :p
[11:10:57] <crutchy> would mod your comment up if i had mod points
[11:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
[11:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> which one, i got a berzillion?
[11:11:29] <crutchy> <exec> *** new comment: The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) Re:Hrm... - The NSA Breach of Telekom and Other German Firms - http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:11:30] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[11:11:30] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[11:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i'm happy with it enough for a pre-awake comment.
[11:12:44] <crutchy> caffeine infusion still in progress?
[11:13:35] * crutchy wishes he could buy a mr fusion from the swag store
[11:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but caffeine doesn't process in as quick as amphetamine so it won't be coffee waking me up.
[11:14:35] * crutchy thinks about how a mr fusion would look on the back of his camry and changes his mind
[11:15:00] <crutchy> oxynorm?
[11:15:19] <crutchy> or oxycontin or whatever its called
[11:16:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> good god no, that would be an opiate and put me to sleep.
[11:17:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Adderall is the brand name. Contains amphetamine and dextroamphetamine.
[11:18:28] <crutchy> ah
[11:19:03] * crutchy doesn't know drugs very well. he just pays for them :/
[11:19:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ADHD meds. works surprisingly well against depression too.
[11:19:33] <crutchy> missus is on a bit of a cocktail for her back injury
[11:19:44] <crutchy> mkay
[11:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, back pain is teh suq
[11:20:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was all knotted up after fishing yesterday cause we stayed out there eight hours cause we started getting good hits.
[11:21:23] <crutchy> need beer. loosens you up :p
[11:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> none of em took the bait enough to get hooked though. yank the rod double then spit out the bait.
[11:22:02] <crutchy> bugger
[11:22:13] <crutchy> smart phooshes
[11:22:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> smarter than us anyway.
[11:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> got a bass in my lil cast net early on but nothing off a line except the perch i use for bait for real fish.
[11:23:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... which issue should i tackle this time?
[11:23:45] <crutchy> mo
[11:23:51] <crutchy> always mo
[11:24:12] <crutchy> eenie meenie and miney will always lead to bad luck
[11:25:49] <crutchy> maybe you should build a back door into slash for exec :-p
[11:26:39] <crutchy> then you could restart with a simple ~slash-restart
[11:27:01] <crutchy> or ~slash-download-pr0nz
[11:27:30] <crutchy> or ~slash-400tb-bomb
[11:29:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~slash-ddos crutchy
[11:29:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess it would just be dos though not ddos
[11:29:35] <crutchy> ms-dos
[11:29:55] <crutchy> ~c:\slash\dos crutchy
[11:31:02] * TheMightyBuzzard sifts through the issue queue looking for a ripe one
[11:31:39] <crutchy> huhurmapache2 *whistles*
[11:31:46] <crutchy> :p
[11:32:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, think i'll just go with a recent one and fix comment scores on the user info page
[11:32:29] * crutchy wishes he could help with the apache thingy
[11:33:15] <crutchy> can only imagine the high from wrangling apache 1.3 out of slash's butthole
[11:33:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, i wish i could
[11:34:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have to pull audio*guy(* for no beep) in on it to help me with the bits that wind up in c
[11:35:11] <crutchy> that sounds cool. a entire slash version in c would be lightning quick
[11:36:50] <crutchy> murica is starting to wake up. 8 new comments in last half hour
[11:37:14] <crutchy> make that 10
[11:38:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[11:45:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh good, it's template work. yay.
[12:00:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alan Turing and the Zebra's Stripes - http://sylnt.us - just-so-stories || Tivoisation of Linux - http://sylnt.us - Trustix
[12:05:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh good, someone noticed the typo
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[12:25:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> wtf... stupid slash
[12:28:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> something's different on prod than on dev/vm causing a bug in score displaying
[12:30:25] <crutchy> can you do a diff?
[12:30:37] <crutchy> (assuming prod is a git branch)
[12:33:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not, it's just the live server. should be identical to master branch
[12:34:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, it's the subscriber bonus
[12:35:06] <crutchy> maybe clone to new directory, replace contents with prod and then do a diff
[12:35:10] <crutchy> oh
[12:35:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that's not something you can turn off
[12:35:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> what i wanna know is why it shows in one place and not another
[12:36:20] <crutchy> maybe it requires more lesbian gas
[12:36:24] <chromas> Can subscribers be modded to 6?
[12:37:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, there's a sub called constrain_score that caps at five
[12:38:08] <crutchy> prolly start at 3
[12:38:20] <chromas> Make it 5.1
[12:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> so like all my comments show as 2 default on my user info page
[12:38:48] <chromas> Soylent Audio
[12:38:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> but show as 1 on the comment itself.
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[12:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, LaminatorX
[12:51:16] <LaminatorX> So it is, thanks.
[12:54:12] * LaminatorX starts looking through the logs from Friday's meeting.
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[13:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot! one issue down.
[13:09:22] <crutchy> ¿
[13:09:27] <crutchy> 'excess flood'
[13:11:11] <crutchy> ~isup soylentnews.org
[13:11:12] <exec> soylentnews.org: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[13:11:23] <crutchy> ~isup bom.gov.au
[13:11:24] <exec> bom.gov.au: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
[13:11:59] <LaminatorX> ~isup ring5.inferno.hell.gov
[13:12:00] <exec> ring5.inferno.hell.gov: error connecting
[13:12:10] <LaminatorX> That's for the best, really.
[13:14:49] * crutchy wonders if charybdis detects flooding by ip
[13:15:46] * crutchy disabled the bom feed
[13:16:47] <crutchy> might have got kicked by my damn bot
[13:17:48] <LaminatorX> It couldn't let you come to harm by it's own inaction.
[13:18:13] <crutchy> so it threw me out the window :p
[13:18:56] <LaminatorX> It's dataset had no information about what was outside that window.
[13:19:21] <crutchy> so it sent me to investigate
[13:19:33] <crutchy> moar input!
[13:21:35] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:21:35] <monopoly> ^ 03#MMM3000 - Robotic Arm MK II Prototype - YouTube
[13:22:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> bugger, mojang is selling to microsoft.
[13:22:27] <Woods> TMB: I know right? what is up with that?
[13:23:01] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/ug/oo/
[13:23:01] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <TheMightyBuzzard> booger, mojang is selling to microsoft.
[13:23:36] <crutchy> lol gotta love youtube comments... "I'M smack FUCKING smack TIRED smack OF smack FEEDING smack FAT-ASS smack HUMANS!!"
[13:23:36] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[13:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, guess that'll mean they have one of the best games that runs on linux. the irony is so thick you need a shovel to see through it.
[13:24:25] <chromas> Or at least a pick ax
[13:24:54] <chromas> But you have to punch around it first to get the material
[13:28:08] <crutchy> lmao "how about a machine that is activated when you drop a bar of soap..."
[13:33:22] <crutchy> these dudes seem to have a death wish... scissor fork stabbings, controller cannons that shoot cheesy poofs in your eye, robotic arms that whack you in the face
[13:34:06] <crutchy> is that what it means to be a die-hard gamer?
[13:35:17] <chromas> Canons that shoot cheesy poofs into your brown eye. That's the one that activates when you drop the soap
[13:36:13] <crutchy> oh man i want one of these right now.. https://www.youtube.com
[13:36:13] <monopoly> ^ 03#MMM3000 - Chair Crane Prototype - YouTube
[13:51:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Senate Republicans Kill "Citizens United" Reform Amendment - http://sylnt.us - money-is-still-speech
[14:04:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> too many damned ACs
[14:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like nobody has the balls to put their name to what they say lately.
[14:05:55] <ar> coffee-- - With regards, arachnist
[14:05:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 786
[14:06:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, forgot...
[14:06:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:06:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 787
[14:06:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias for reminding me
[14:07:36] <ar> coffee--
[14:07:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 786
[14:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i generally do that soon as i sit down with a new cup but i forgot this time
[14:07:57] <crutchy> i been posting AC
[14:08:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but we know you're a big honkin wuss-bag =P
[14:08:33] <crutchy> can usually tell my comments cos i'm too lazy to use caps and grammar
[14:08:37] <crutchy> lol yeah i know
[14:08:37] <ciri> lol damn!
[14:08:59] <crutchy> and most of my comments are flamebait
[14:09:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i need more ram. stupid vms fill it up too quick
[14:09:27] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:09:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 787
[14:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of mine could be looked at that way but really i'm just an opinionated asshole.
[14:10:28] <crutchy> i just see it as anyone who disagrees with me is stupid and must be educated, at least till i get bored or another shiny pony appears
[14:11:07] <ar> coffee--
[14:11:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 786
[14:11:51] <crutchy> ACs only get 10 comments per day though so my education program is fairly limited
[14:12:20] <crutchy> actually i've been pretty tame on SN
[14:12:38] <crutchy> must be just cos i'm a big honkin wuss-bag
[14:12:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly right
[14:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're married, kinda goes with the territory
[14:13:07] <crutchy> need apk. he was awesome for trollin :p
[14:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's got an account. just haven't seen him around in a month or two.
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[14:14:11] <crutchy> just had to mention the ol line 5 python bug in his 'troll reversal' script and he'd go nuts :p
[14:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, mechanicjay
[14:14:57] <crutchy> 'it was /.'s fault wa wa wa'
[14:15:37] <mechanicjay> Hey TheMightyBuzzard.
[14:16:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> there was something needed done by you or audioguy but i forget... no wait... email aliases
[14:17:19] <mechanicjay> yes, I can do email aliases
[14:18:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs is going to be taking over IRC from pj so chat@SN needs to be pointed to him.
[14:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and do we have a support@SN alias?
[14:20:38] <crutchy> and a pr0nz@SN
[14:21:00] <crutchy> and not forget goat.cx@SN :D
[14:21:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> $burrito crutchy
[14:21:23] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[14:21:45] <crutchy> its past midnight here. stupid hour. i should prolly get some sleep anyway
[14:23:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for it
[14:34:56] <paulej72> hello all
[14:34:56] <ciri> hey whats up paulej72
[14:38:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, pj
[14:38:38] <paulej72> morning. Putting out some fires this moringin at work.
[14:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool. one issue fixed this AM, will start on another one or two here after i coffee up some more.
[14:40:49] <matt_> coffee++
[14:40:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 787
[14:41:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya matt_. good to see ya outside a meeting.
[14:42:00] <matt_> actually, i've got to run to a meeting about a meeting on wed., for which i'm already scheduled to have a meeting on fri. to debrief the wed. meeting (not kidding)
[14:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> loving the recursion there
[14:43:58] <matt_> gtg, see you later!
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[14:59:44] <LaminatorX> "Planning to Plan"
[15:09:56] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: no, we just have admin@SN
[15:10:09] <mrcoolbp> it's being used mostly as Support@ though
[15:10:23] <mrcoolbp> <-Ranjiit, the tech support guy
[15:10:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, we should set a support@ up then so we can use admin for the admin stuff.
[15:10:40] <mrcoolbp> probably
[15:10:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> currently the support team has no email
[15:12:17] <paulej72> what support team :)
[15:13:05] <mechanicjay> TheMightyBuzzard: Sorry, got busy, can you drop me an email with the email changed needed, I'll see to it after lunch.
[15:13:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[15:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> same as your nick?
[15:13:56] <mechanicjay> affirmative
[15:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, mrcoolbp of course. he gets ALL OF THE JOBS
[15:14:45] <mrcoolbp> "one of my many jobs" = )
[15:14:49] <paulej72> OK off to lunch
[15:14:50] <mrcoolbp> the rest paulej72
[15:15:00] <mrcoolbp> later paulej
[15:15:13] * mrcoolbp tries harder to wake up
[15:15:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj, just rebased bitpay branch so it could be auto-merged
[15:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, ping
[15:20:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Glaciers in Northern Antarctic Peninsula Melting Faster than Ever Despite Increased Snowfall - http://sylnt.us - more-is-good-but-not-enough
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[16:01:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Discussing the Future of SN: The Next Six Months - http://sylnt.us - warning-long-post-ahead
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[17:22:55] <stderr> In case you missed it: https://twitter.com
[17:23:11] * stderr is too lazy to submit a story...
[17:40:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should we all Take a Bit of Lithium? - http://sylnt.us - what-is-your-glass-half-full-of?
[17:44:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be landing in arch repos any minute then
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[19:01:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Discussing the Future of SN: The Next Six Months - http://sylnt.us - warning-long-post-ahead
[19:03:51] <paulej72> I had to repost NCommander’s article as I could not enable comments on the orginal
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[19:40:07] <Landon> I need a good excuse to do this
[19:40:10] <Landon> http://globetrotterdiaries.com
[19:42:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tim Cook: "TV is stuck in the '70s" - http://sylnt.us - do-not-adjust-your-set
[19:46:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> Cook is confused
[19:46:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's the movie industry that's stuck in the 70s
[19:46:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> (although virtually no innovation will come out of either the TV or movie industries, unless it relates to special effects)
[19:59:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Landon, you don't need an excuse to do that except mmmmmm
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[21:59:14] <Blackmoore> it was a dark and stormy night in the chat room
[21:59:42] <Blackmoore> dark as the rum I was drinking, and blackness of my soul
[22:00:17] <Blackmoore> I was working up a case file for my last client.
[22:00:32] <Blackmoore> she had a nasty perl script that wouldnt behave.
[22:00:42] <Blackmoore> called it slash code.
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[22:01:25] <Blackmoore> I wan't an expert, but I took a look into it. Nasaty mess of scum and villany
[22:01:57] <Blackmoore> I shot the damn thing - but i only managed to throw a few exceptions.
[22:02:11] <Blackmoore> this was gonna need a specalist
[22:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you rang?
[22:08:48] <Blackmoore> :)
[22:08:57] <Blackmoore> it's damn quiet in here
[22:09:31] <Blackmoore> good to hear about the bitcoin. that was vexing you for a while
[22:14:37] <no-dice> This is the worst game of idlerpg I've had.
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[22:19:40] <Blackmoore> um, well..
[22:22:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comcast Threatens to Cut Off Customers Who Use Tor - Then Denies It - http://sylnt.us - don't-they-have-to-prove-that-you-are-doing-something-illegal-first?
[22:24:31] <SirFinkus> oh good, the g5 turns on
[22:24:58] <SirFinkus> found some ram, looks like I'll need to scrounge up a agp graphics card
[22:26:51] <lentilSoup> Is this where readers come to die?
[22:27:51] <Blackmoore> or worse; volenteer
[22:29:51] <lentilSoup> Frightening.
[22:32:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're mostly safe unless you can code perl
[22:35:25] <lentilSoup> I can steal pearls.
[22:36:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> that could help too if you know a good fence
[22:36:57] <lentilSoup> I can build a good fence.
[22:37:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[22:37:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 788
[22:37:39] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[22:37:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 789
[22:37:52] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[22:37:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 790
[22:37:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably not helpful, that but i could use a new storage shed.
[22:38:07] <lentilSoup> It is very fun to whitewash it, too. You can try if you want.
[22:38:18] <Blackmoore> :)
[22:38:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm on to you. i'm not giving you anything to try whitewashing.
[22:40:22] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[22:40:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee just isn't working this afternoon
[22:40:34] <lentilSoup> Your loss. I am an excellent painter. And an excellent driver.
[22:41:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> how are you at blackjack? we could drop the swag store and send you to vegas.
[22:41:07] <ciri> how how brown cow
[22:41:44] <lentilSoup> 246.
[22:41:47] <lentilSoup> 4 left in box.
[22:42:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, you not have an agp card in your parts box?
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[22:43:05] <SirFinkus> I don't, gave them away or sold them all
[22:43:16] <SirFinkus> friend has an old 9600 that I'll slap in though
[22:43:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn
[22:43:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[22:43:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm getting old i think. ready for a nap.
[22:43:58] <SirFinkus> slapped a hard drive in there, and some ram I found. Starts up with no disturbing beeps
[22:45:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good then. won't be long and you'll be zooming along like it's 2001
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[22:52:35] <Blackmoore> Tonight we're gonna pary like it 1895?
[22:58:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima party like my pizza is done. see you lot after food
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