#Soylent | Logs for 2014-11-20

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[00:31:13] <Konomi> anyone got a link on how to format a post I can't find it for the life of me?
[00:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[00:33:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> how ya mean?
[00:33:47] <Konomi> tags html formatting etc
[00:34:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, allowed html tags should be listed below the story box
[00:34:18] <Konomi> why does the preview button tell me I must preview before submitting....
[00:34:26] <Konomi> and give me no preview at all?
[00:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> certainly SHOULD give you a preview up top
[00:34:52] <nick> it should give the preview up top, as TMB said
[00:34:57] <nick> you also need to select a topic
[00:34:59] <Konomi> it's not
[00:35:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, that always gets me
[00:35:36] <nick> i always forget to select a topic when making a submission and i wonder why it doesnt work
[00:35:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's an error message up there but it's very small n easy to miss
[00:36:06] <Konomi> "You must preview once, provide a subject, some text, and a topic before you can submit "
[00:36:10] <Konomi> I have done both
[00:36:24] <nick> did you select a topic from the dropdown?
[00:36:30] <Konomi> urk no x.x
[00:36:36] <nick> heh
[00:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas the one that gets everyone
[00:36:48] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, this should be made more obvious
[00:37:10] <nick> as it gets all of us, and it gets me nearly every time
[00:37:43] <Konomi> preview kinda blows since it doesn't take the side bar as a factor
[00:38:18] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: also the allowed tags are only listed under comment posts not story submission page for some reason
[00:38:43] <nick> as long as it looks 'ok' in preview thats all you really need because i'll probably break it some more anyway
[00:38:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, you are correct. may get to that if i can find the time after filters are done
[00:38:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> tonight's one of them fun nights where i get to feel every single year of my age and i think some borrowed from someone else.
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[00:39:44] <nick> you can take a couple years from me, i'm feeling old beyond my years
[00:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, that needs to change too. same tags by the way.
[00:42:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly it's easier to do it in plaintext. <a> <b> <i> <quote> <blockquote> tags are still allowed in plaintext.
[00:42:38] <SpallsHurgenson> what about <blink>?
[00:42:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> browsers don't allow it anymore anyway
[00:43:01] <Konomi> I find <a href="stuff">doesn't seem to have a nice plaintext equiv'</a>
[00:43:06] <SpallsHurgenson> Netscape 3.0 for the win!
[00:43:23] <nick> Konomi, that should work in plaintext also
[00:43:29] <Konomi> though since I am going on two lines of formatting information kinda hard to tell
[00:43:34] <nick> maybe not anywhere else but it does here.
[00:43:37] <Leebert> I miss the pink URL box from Netscape 3 on Unix. :(
[00:43:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, that works in plaintext. it's something of a misnomer... all the html tags work but <p> or <br> tags aren't required.
[00:43:54] <Konomi> my story feels too short to submit groan
[00:44:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> quote more, it makes it look longer.
[00:44:17] <Konomi> lol
[00:44:18] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[00:44:23] <Konomi> ciri--
[00:44:23] <Bender> karma - ciri: -24
[00:44:37] <nick> is the way to do it, i tend to add a blockquote from an article if the submission is only a line or two.
[00:44:42] <SpallsHurgenson> find another blog discussing that same article and link to that one too :)
[00:44:55] <Konomi> wow you guys are bad
[00:45:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> terrible. the lazy is strong in us.
[00:45:18] <Konomi> though this works well I'll try that instead ;p
[00:45:29] <SpallsHurgenson> find a similar article on soylent and link to that :)
[00:45:38] <nick> i think it's a good thing to do a lot of the time
[00:45:53] <nick> i don't want to be accused of misrepresenting TFA for my own agenda
[00:45:56] <nick> which isn't likely but still
[00:46:03] <Konomi> still is there any formatitng guide?
[00:46:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, format it how ya like.
[00:46:31] <nick> there is, but yeah
[00:46:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> is there? nifty.
[00:46:48] <nick> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[00:46:49] <|> ^ 03Wiki: Story Style
[00:46:55] <nick> http://sylnt.us
[00:46:56] <|> ^ 03SoylentNews: FAQ ( http://soylentnews.org )
[00:47:00] <Konomi> thanks
[00:47:57] <nick> i'm sure i break many of the rules often
[00:48:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! we're an oxford comma site!
[00:48:54] <Konomi> hmm okay think I will try this instead
[00:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://barracudabrigade.net
[00:49:55] <|> ^ 03Barracuda Brigade | 5th Grade Sex Ed Class Teaches The Joys Of Female Condoms & Anal Sex!
[00:50:16] <nick> Konomi you've got me all cruious about what this submission is covering
[00:50:36] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: let the proding of the bees next begin: https://soylentnews.org
[00:50:36] <|> ^ 0304SN Submission by Konomi: Could it be the community might actually want systemd?
[00:50:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, that one. good on ya.
[00:51:12] <Konomi> nest*
[00:51:13] <nick> oh no you didn't!
[00:51:17] <Konomi> oh yes I did
[00:51:48] <nick> are we allowed to have a systemd related story 2 days in a row?
[00:51:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're such a flamebaiter
[00:51:56] <SpallsHurgenson> wait, am I for or against systemd now?
[00:52:03] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: half flamebaiter half sick of the shit ;p
[00:52:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, you're militantly ambivalent
[00:52:15] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: You are pro-init.
[00:52:20] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: ask your local representive you have to tow the party line
[00:52:30] <SpallsHurgenson> Boo systemd it's crap and we hates it!
[00:52:38] <SpallsHurgenson> Yay systemd it's the bestest of the best!
[00:52:51] <JamesNZ> "We hates it we hates it! We hates it forever!"
[00:52:53] * SpallsHurgenson stays true to his chaotic neutral alignment
[00:53:10] <Konomi> I'm honestly thinking a lot of bsd users may be latching onto systemd to have a whine about linux
[00:53:46] <nick> i find it amazing nothing seems to rile people up more than systemd
[00:53:57] <Konomi> I think it's stupid myself
[00:54:04] <Konomi> hence my story submission
[00:54:06] <nick> ww3 could start tomorrow and the systemd story would get people more emotional on this site
[00:54:16] <Konomi> yup...
[00:54:23] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, init or systemd, neither can compare to the glorious complexity of Windows :)
[00:54:58] <Konomi> I begrudgingly (what a word if I got it right) installed systemd about 4 months ago
[00:55:02] <Konomi> my computer did not explode
[00:55:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, even windows doesn't directly tie network interfaces into the init system.
[00:55:12] <Konomi> nothing bad happened it was a non event
[00:55:23] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB:... yet :)
[00:55:25] <Konomi> in fact the only things that changed
[00:55:28] <nick> the against arguments have held more sway with me, but i will continue to use the best tool for the job at the time and have no skin in the game really.
[00:55:28] <Konomi> is it booted faster...
[00:55:36] <Konomi> and searching my systlogs got easier
[00:55:54] <Konomi> nothing else happened
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[00:56:24] <Konomi> besides discovering I could fine see a clean servive start as being pretty exciting it was the biggest no event upgrade I've had on linux
[00:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> it broked my nfs sharing. i gotta `sudo systemctl restart nfs-mountd.service` every reboot.
[00:56:34] <Konomi> pulseaudio gave me more trouble than it
[00:56:38] <nick> i like your submission btw
[00:56:46] <nick> and thats also a very valid point heh.
[00:56:51] <Konomi> thanks i just copied how everyone else does it
[00:56:51] <Konomi> ;p
[00:56:57] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah that is a shame
[00:57:06] <Konomi> did it get fixed on the recent one?
[00:57:16] <Konomi> you should really bug report it if you haven't already
[00:57:32] <Konomi> it probnably only worked on sysvinit out of luck because it had to be serialised there
[00:57:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw em, i just wrote a script to do it.
[00:57:46] <Konomi> taking pages from my book >.>
[00:58:02] <Konomi> though I bet you just made it restart the service where as I would've redone the service script ;p
[00:58:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> service script is fine it's just being started out of order
[00:58:51] <Konomi> pretty sure you can enforce dependencies to make it wait
[00:58:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it's part of a package so every time systemd gets updated it would get overwritten
[00:58:59] <Konomi> same way lsb init scripts did
[00:59:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but ^^
[00:59:20] <Konomi> nah pretty sure you can override them in etc with a conf.d like file
[00:59:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be. too much lazy to care for a desktop box.
[00:59:57] <Konomi> yeah
[01:00:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it were a server i had to admin i'd find out and do it right
[01:00:02] <Konomi> I haven't even ported my init scripts yet
[01:00:09] <Konomi> cause systemd can use init scripts...
[01:00:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Jolla Crowdfunded Tablet Meets Goal in a Few Hours - http://sylnt.us - on-sail
[01:01:10] <Konomi> fyi I hate Jolla's ad for that thing
[01:01:23] <Konomi> flashy advertising designed to get stupid people ._.
[01:01:45] <Konomi> hardware might be nice for gettting my linux tabliet I always wanted though
[01:01:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> tablets can suck it. when i'm away from my computer i wanna be completely away from it.
[01:02:00] <Konomi> tbh I want one
[01:02:09] <Konomi> but I wonder if having a touch screen will never be productive
[01:02:19] <Konomi> I produce as well as consume media/stuff on my pc
[01:02:22] <Konomi> I'd want to do both
[01:02:27] <Konomi> not simply consume more crap
[01:02:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i has enormous fingers so the onscreen keyboards are just out of the question
[01:02:54] <Konomi> and I'm starting to think by nature a touch screen will never be something you code with etc
[01:03:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that pretty much goes without saying until you can type on one as fast as on a keyboard
[01:03:24] <chromas> Someone needs to invent gesture programming
[01:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i did that a long time ago. only comes with the one gesture though
[01:03:51] <Konomi> I would love a tablet where someone made it in mind with it basically being a dumb terminal
[01:03:59] <Konomi> at least be able to do terminal stuff well
[01:04:07] <Konomi> then I'd be sold
[01:04:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you're wanting an actual keyboard on your tablet? they call those laptops.
[01:04:48] <nick> cant get into touch screen
[01:04:51] <nick> and i dont code
[01:04:52] <Konomi> ha ;p
[01:05:01] <Konomi> you don't code ;_;
[01:05:13] <Konomi> how how how do you use your computer effectively!?
[01:05:14] <ciri> doing great here
[01:05:22] <Konomi> ciri-- # shut it bot
[01:05:22] <Bender> karma - ciri: -25
[01:05:33] <nick> i probably don't, i just beat it with a hammer until it does what i want
[01:05:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> gesture programming then
[01:06:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, so far we have the bird and the hammer. what else?
[01:06:37] <nick> the 'swift boot' works quite well too
[01:06:48] * TheMightyBuzzard nods sagely
[01:06:57] <Konomi> you know I was wondering if they'll burn an effigy of me with that story submission
[01:07:16] <chromas> That's what the Anon checkbox is for
[01:07:18] <nick> i'll make sure to put you Konomi writes: in bold
[01:07:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> bonus points if they do.
[01:07:24] <Konomi> >.<
[01:07:24] <chromas> then we can blame 4chan
[01:08:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can always blame 4chan though. or i guess 8chan now. or 7chan or omgpwnieschan or whatever they moved to.
[01:08:40] <Konomi> heh 8chan
[01:08:54] <chromas> omgpwniescha—somebody get on that immediately
[01:09:12] <Konomi> I like how their "community" in the most loose sense I can use the word was too millitant for 4chan
[01:09:13] <chromas> editing--
[01:09:13] <Bender> karma - editing: -1
[01:09:37] <Konomi> 4chan mods started deleting the GG threads due to raids and doxing
[01:09:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> .... april 1 redirect of soylentnews.org to omgpwnieschan.org!
[01:09:43] <Konomi> so they ran to 8chan
[01:09:51] <Konomi> needed a new spot for their sleezy activites
[01:10:08] <Konomi> be waiting awhile
[01:10:14] <chromas> https://wiki.archlinux.org
[01:10:15] <|> ^ 03Wiki: NFS
[01:10:29] <SpallsHurgenson> urgh, my back hurts
[01:10:31] <chromas> Does that help, tmb, now that you have a script and it doesn't matter anymore?
[01:10:47] <Konomi> that might be a solution for TheMightyBuzzard
[01:10:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, nah. desktop is doing the serving not the mounting.
[01:10:55] * SpallsHurgenson looks for a sexy masseuse
[01:11:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> it just has the most storage of any box i have at home so i went ahead n set it to serve
[01:12:03] <chromas> oh, that's farther up the page
[01:12:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if i don't restart the nfsmount service its exports fail to export proper like.
[01:13:02] <chromas> nfs--
[01:13:02] <Bender> karma - nfs: -1
[01:13:07] <chromas> Use ftpfs :D
[01:14:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nfs is da bomb. my xbmc raspberry pi can do nfs shares peachy keen.
[01:14:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> much easier to set up than samba too
[01:15:12] <Leebert> Oh, hey! I got an e-mail about a reply to a Soylent post!
[01:15:17] <Leebert> Apparently someone fixed it.
[01:15:25] <Leebert> Thanks!
[01:16:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't hold your breath there. we didn't do anything to it that i know of.
[01:16:26] <juggs> Could've been the re-routing of the outbound mail via smarthost TMB
[01:16:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be, yep
[01:17:24] <chromas> sounds suspiciously similar to smartpost, which is the opposite of good
[01:17:50] * SpallsHurgenson contemplates a spinectomy
[01:27:38] * SpallsHurgenson tries <shudder> exercise as a preliminary option
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[01:28:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll watch me some star trek now. don't catch anything on fire.
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[01:29:53] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, Star Trek. "Luke, I am your father!" Great movie.
[01:31:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick SpallsHurgenson na-nu na-nu
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[01:32:12] * SpallsHurgenson sheds a tear for Robin Williams
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[01:36:51] <Konomi> heh I love people sometimes
[01:36:58] <Konomi> "It sounds better on vinyl"
[01:37:06] <Konomi> no no no "it sounds better to you on vinyl"
[01:37:07] <Konomi> >.<
[01:37:09] <SpallsHurgenson> 'specially with ketchup
[01:37:58] <Konomi> only reason I can think to use vinyl is to avoid the compressors they put music through now
[01:38:01] <Konomi> not quality
[01:38:06] <SpallsHurgenson> real audiophiles listen to music on the original shellac :)
[01:38:46] <Konomi> I use a solid metal rod and engrave the music into it
[01:38:50] <Konomi> only way to be sure
[01:40:32] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but you can't fling a metal rod and watch it shatter into hundreds of deadly shards if the song is awful :)
[01:42:47] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I guess you could dip it in liquid nitrogen or something first...
[01:47:50] <Landon> ugh
[01:47:58] <Landon> erry time I try to use C or C++
[01:48:16] <Landon> I always fight some stupid function that wants a type of FooBarBaz & * myshit[]
[01:48:30] <Landon> can never find the right combination of & and * to throw at it
[01:53:00] <Leebert> I'll choose to believe that someone fixed something. I'm TRYING to be more optimistic. :)
[01:57:18] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I'm pretty sure they made those changes just to mess with you :)
[01:57:52] <Leebert> Woo Hoo! I'm important enough to mess with!
[02:08:06] <Landon> hm, I need a full linux dev environment at home...
[02:08:24] <Landon> dare I make a beefy vm container for my laptop
[02:09:19] <juggs> why not?
[02:09:52] <SpallsHurgenson> nah, dedicate the whole laptop to the cause!
[02:11:16] <Landon> heh
[02:11:21] <Landon> I want to keep windahs arround
[02:11:30] <Landon> juggs: that's what I'm trying to figure out
[02:11:32] <SpallsHurgenson> make a winders vm then :)
[02:11:55] <Landon> but I play games on windows
[02:11:56] <Landon> :)
[02:12:15] <Konomi> one is by reference one is by value
[02:12:21] <SpallsHurgenson> buy a new laptop for wind'ohs then!
[02:12:26] <Konomi> think & is the pointer
[02:12:30] <Landon> Konomi: interested in the actual problem then?
[02:12:35] <Landon> that was just a shitty generalization
[02:12:42] <Konomi> noo I'm far too newb to C ;p
[02:12:45] <Landon> ok :P
[02:12:55] <Konomi> you just gotta get your data typing down to get C
[02:13:01] <Landon> tl;dr I'm wrapping a C library and have magic classes that masquerade as its structs
[02:13:05] <Konomi> past that it's like a more convulted version of perl/python
[02:13:23] <Landon> implicit conversions work, but not CppStruct** to c_struct**
[02:13:43] <Konomi> why are you mixing cpp with c ;p ?
[02:13:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://codinginmysleep.com
[02:13:46] <|> ^ 03Newegg Is Officially Participating in Bitcoin Black Friday
[02:13:48] * SpallsHurgenson confirms that his 1tb external drive is failing...
[02:14:02] <Landon> Konomi: library is only available in C :)
[02:14:08] <Konomi> ha
[02:14:10] <Konomi> okay
[02:14:35] <Landon> we've got a lot of layers of abstraction to slather on it, so best to just get the c++ wrapper out of the way asap
[02:15:17] <SpallsHurgenson> time for an autopsy :)
[02:16:11] <Konomi> hmm now that I think about it you're going to have an awful time turning a cpp sturcture to a c one
[02:17:02] <Landon> not especially
[02:17:08] <Landon> you just aren't afforded as much of the C++ fancy
[02:17:14] <Landon> (no virtual functions for one)
[02:17:25] <Landon> http://en.cppreference.com
[02:17:26] <|> ^ 03C++ concepts: StandardLayoutType - cppreference.com
[02:17:31] <Konomi> https://stackoverflow.com
[02:17:32] <|> ^ 03Converting a C++ class to a C struct (and beyond) - Stack Overflow
[02:17:34] <Konomi> maybe this will help
[02:18:09] <Landon> huh, I'm surprised none of the answers mention standard layout
[02:18:20] <Landon> c++11 was mostly done by then
[02:18:46] <Landon> OH, he's actually trying to get to the point where he can use a C compiler on his code. yuck.
[02:31:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Early Solar System’s Magnetic Field Sped Planet Formation - http://sylnt.us - force-is-strong
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[02:47:28] * SpallsHurgenson plays with the magnets and platters from the hard drive
[02:48:22] <NightHawk> My wife loves those magnets :-) best fridge magnets ever.
[02:49:36] <Konomi> just don't get fingers stuck betweent hem ._.
[02:49:40] <silverly> tea++
[02:49:40] <Bender> karma - tea: 275
[02:49:42] <silverly> tea++
[02:49:42] <Bender> karma - tea: 276
[02:50:10] <silverly> !whodown tea
[02:50:10] <Bender> downers of tea are: chromas: -21, crutchy: -7, SedBot2: -7, mattie_p: -3, Alberto: -3, TheMightyBuzzard: -2, Blackmoore: -1, Ethanol-fueled: -1, arti: -1
[02:50:29] <silverly> !whoup tea
[02:50:29] <Bender> uppers of tea are: ar: 233, geotti: 29, SirFinkus: 14, silverly: 9, juggs: 9, arti: 5, TheMightyBuzzard: 4, n1: 4, geotti_Zzz: 3, Popeidol: 3, crutchy: 2, chromas: 2, AndyTheAbsurd: 1, Bytram: 1, nick: 1, prospectacle: 1, Azrael: 1
[02:51:30] <SpallsHurgenson> uppers++
[02:51:30] <Bender> karma - uppers: 0
[02:51:41] <chromas> !whodown uppers
[02:51:41] <Bender> downers of uppers are: stdhell: -1
[02:51:48] <chromas> (ping)
[02:52:29] * SpallsHurgenson launches torpedoes!
[02:52:54] * chromas turns into torpedoes, fully expecting that they're not yet armed
[02:54:37] * JamesNZ arms the torpedoes and sends them back
[02:55:18] * chromas deploys countermeasures and switches to mhd
[02:55:38] <chromas> whales_humping++
[02:55:38] <Bender> karma - whales_humping: 1
[02:59:08] <SpallsHurgenson> the polite term is "Americans"
[03:00:40] <chromas> Sure, but that's insulting to the whales
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[03:12:13] <Subsentient> $wz
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[03:21:50] * SpallsHurgenson growls at the stubborn magnet
[03:45:46] <SpallsHurgenson> <grrrrr grrrrr grrrrrr>
[03:47:30] <juggs> what's annoying you now Spalls?
[03:48:24] <SpallsHurgenson> nothing, I'm just singing Klingon opera
[03:51:40] <juggs> how does that compare with Vogon poetry?
[03:51:40] <ciri> how how brown cow
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[04:10:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I remember vogon poetry, that was from that british sci-fi comedy show, right?
[04:10:20] <SpallsHurgenson> red dwarf I think it was called :)
[04:14:00] <juggs> haha :D
[04:20:49] <ar> SpallsHurgenson: it was a book before it was a show
[04:22:24] <ar> SpallsHurgenson: And it was called Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
[04:22:57] <SirFinkus> no, it was originally a radio drama
[04:25:18] <SpallsHurgenson> oh right, hitchhiker's guide... that was the one with the alien in the blue police box, I remember now
[04:26:12] <ar> The alien in a police box is Doctor Who
[04:27:06] <SpallsHurgenson> I thought Doctor Who was the guy who travelled through time by jumping into other people's bodies with his holographic buddy Al
[04:27:18] <juggs> Quantum Leap
[04:27:32] <juggs> Keep it up Spalls :D
[04:27:54] <SpallsHurgenson> don't be silly, Quantum Leap was about the moon base that was pushed out of orbit :)
[04:34:39] <Konomi> look juggs I submitted a story: https://soylentnews.org
[04:34:40] <|> ^ 0304SN Submission by Konomi: Could it be the community might actually want systemd?
[04:34:47] * Konomi runs and hides
[04:35:03] <juggs> Yay! Is that your first?
[04:35:09] <Konomi> yeah
[04:35:18] <juggs> good job then!
[04:35:23] <Konomi> I'm just waiting for it to get to the main page so the fireworks can start lol
[04:35:57] <juggs> Aye - should bring out the rabid ppl on either side - I'll cook up the popcorn :D
[04:36:28] <Konomi> I'll be interested in the debate too but I see no reason to get my jollies out of the chaos too
[04:37:42] <juggs> why not have some fun along the way!
[04:41:24] <chromas> rustling their jimmies—jimmies for jollies
[04:45:47] * Leebert responds with "define 'community'"
[04:47:06] <Leebert> And if you want to read some online chaos, may I recommend trolling through the ancient scrolls of Wikipedia into the archives of Talk:Color to read the infamous Color/Colour debates of the mid-2000's?
[04:47:22] <JamesNZ> Konomi: Congrats \o/
[04:47:30] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:47:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 943
[04:47:32] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:47:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 942
[04:47:32] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:47:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[04:47:33] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:47:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 940
[04:47:58] <chromas> What? It should totally be kolre
[04:48:30] <silverly> kolre++
[04:48:30] <Bender> karma - kolre: 1
[04:49:51] <Leebert> you're missing the "u". it's kolure
[04:50:02] <chromas> that's the French variant
[04:50:19] <chromas> or pseudo-French
[04:50:51] <Leebert> oui!
[04:51:12] * chromas is also lacking the keyboard options settings panel in xfce
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[05:00:09] <SpallsHurgenson> 颜色
[05:06:52] <chromas> 🎁⛵
[05:07:16] <Konomi> square butt obviously
[05:07:39] <juggs> .me clearly needs to choose another font
[05:07:42] <chromas> present and boat
[05:08:01] <SpallsHurgenson> اللون
[05:08:06] <chromas> ☕++
[05:08:16] <chromas> ++☕
[05:08:16] <|> Karma - ☕: 1
[05:08:53] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[05:09:08] <SpallsHurgenson> barva. Farbe. ngjyrë. koloro. cor. રંગ
[05:09:21] <SpallsHurgenson> how many languages do I need to use before you understand me? :)
[05:09:21] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[05:09:43] <chromas> Only six moneys for an entire tub of memories?
[05:09:54] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: all of them
[05:11:23] * chromas invokes translatectl on Spalls' colors
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[05:18:32] <SpallsHurgenson> this is unbelievable; Google Translate has neither Klingon /nor/ Sindarin. And they call themselves geeks!
[05:19:32] * JamesNZ tsks disapprovingly
[05:20:14] <chromas> bing has klingon
[05:21:07] <chromas> oops, I mean bing ghaj tlhIngan
[05:22:00] <SpallsHurgenson> interestingly, neither language has a word for "color"
[05:22:15] <SpallsHurgenson> which just goes to prove that Klingons are really space-elves
[05:23:46] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: check if they have star wars terms
[05:23:49] * Konomi hides
[05:24:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I already did that joke tonight :)
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[05:26:55] <SpallsHurgenson> but yeah, somebody needs to put together a geek translator that does Huttese, Sindarin, Klingon, Lapine, and all the rest :)
[05:31:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Renewables and the Failures of RE&lt;C - http://sylnt.us - keep-doing-the-wrong-thing-until-it's-right
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[05:34:40] <SpallsHurgenson> well, that summary made absolutely no sense.
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[05:58:29] <crutchy> how's the jiggery codery going Subsentient?
[05:58:48] <Subsentient> crutchy: Remember how I made aqu4 able to remove IRC control codeS
[05:59:00] <crutchy> saw your commits in the spy channel
[05:59:13] <crutchy> hmm nah doesnt ring any bells
[05:59:24] <crutchy> oh yeah
[05:59:29] <crutchy> now i remember
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[05:59:59] <crutchy> $burrito aqu4
[05:59:59] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at aqu4
[06:00:03] <crutchy> hmm
[06:00:14] <crutchy> not that one though
[06:02:31] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:02:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[06:04:14] <juggs> ~g'day crutchy
[06:04:15] * exec abnormally hurls a blagoblag of spew at crutchy
[06:04:23] <crutchy> yummy
[06:04:30] <crutchy> ~gday juggs
[06:04:32] * exec spontaneously pours a cheap plastic cup of skittles for juggs
[06:04:40] <juggs> nice
[06:04:46] <crutchy> aw
[06:04:49] <crutchy> wanna swap?
[06:05:07] <crutchy> skittles++
[06:05:07] <Bender> karma - skittles: 5
[06:06:18] <crutchy> hows the bot init shit goin?
[06:07:02] <juggs> bleh - haven't really looked at it tbh. Won't be hard once I get some motivaton++
[06:08:37] <crutchy> motivation is hard
[06:08:54] <crutchy> i been putting off mowing my back yard
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[06:09:35] <juggs> don't you always do that? I seem to remember it got a tad overgrown last time around too
[06:09:44] <crutchy> yeah
[06:09:53] <crutchy> i hate mowing lawns
[06:10:10] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[06:10:10] <juggs> get the SO to do it then :D
[06:10:10] <|> ^ 0304SN Submission by gewg_: MPAA Launches Search Engine That Tells You Where You Can Watch Almost Anything Online--Legally
[06:10:39] <crutchy> heh. from the we-promise-its-not-a-honeypot dept.
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[06:10:59] <crutchy> SO has back injury
[06:11:17] <juggs> ahh - that's a no-go then
[06:11:17] <crutchy> i'll get around to it eventually
[06:11:39] <crutchy> haha
[06:11:43] <crutchy> konomi++
[06:11:43] <Bender> karma - konomi: 32
[06:11:51] <crutchy> she submitted that thingy
[06:11:59] <Konomi> ;p
[06:12:08] <juggs> aye - now that's a rage honeypot right there :D
[06:12:34] * crutchy warms up his flamethrower for the hater-douches
[06:13:18] * juggs warms up ~his~ flamethrower... umm... because!
[06:13:58] <crutchy> Konomi, wouldn't worry too much. sounds like debian devs have their heads screwed on right and are willing and able to ignore the bullshit
[06:14:07] <crutchy> debian++
[06:14:07] <Bender> karma - debian: 43
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[06:14:27] <Robotron> hey, anyone around?
[06:14:38] <crutchy> no :p
[06:14:48] <crutchy> hows it goin?
[06:15:01] <ar> debian--
[06:15:01] <Bender> karma - debian: 42
[06:15:07] <ar> systemd--
[06:15:07] <Bender> karma - systemd: -19
[06:15:08] <crutchy> purple_onion++
[06:15:08] <Bender> karma - purple_onion: 1
[06:18:13] <crutchy> systemd haters should band together and fork debian to make a distro without systemd. it might even gain some traction if they can stop their whining for long enough
[06:18:25] <Konomi> yes please fork it and go away \o/
[06:18:43] <ar> systemd lovers should all migrate to fetora
[06:19:03] <crutchy> i like sysv-init but if its good enough for torvalds, who am i to argue
[06:19:04] <juggs> here we go again :D
[06:19:25] <crutchy> systemd++
[06:19:25] <Bender> karma - systemd: -18
[06:19:52] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:19:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 940
[06:19:53] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:19:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 939
[06:19:54] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:19:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[06:19:55] <crutchy> ooh maybe systemd can replace coffee as the most heated karma
[06:20:01] <crutchy> or poutine
[06:20:05] <crutchy> poutine--
[06:20:05] <Bender> karma - poutine: -362
[06:20:22] <JamesNZ> I think systemd is the only one that has a chance :P
[06:20:28] <ar> systemd is non-debuggable, unpredictable and full of bugs
[06:20:32] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:20:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[06:20:43] <JamesNZ> ar: [citation needed]
[06:20:45] <chromas> ar: you mead systemd-- is...
[06:21:02] <crutchy> i think next year something else will come along for haters to hate
[06:21:08] * JamesNZ is playing devil's advocate, does not really care
[06:21:22] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Wayland :D
[06:21:26] <crutchy> aw cmon JamesNZ.. no fence sitters!
[06:21:45] <crutchy> ~define wayland
[06:21:46] <JamesNZ> Heh, well, I really don't.
[06:21:47] <ar> JamesNZ: when it fails to fsck a filesystem it drops a gazilion of meaningless errors from services failing to start at you
[06:21:47] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Wayland: A boring town 16 miles west of Boston known for its "semi-rural character" and for the fact that they never cancel school when it snows...ever. Now more exciting than ever, it boasts a Dunki...
[06:21:49] <chromas> wayland++ smithers for desktop
[06:21:49] <Bender> karma - wayland: 3
[06:22:12] <ar> JamesNZ: as for bugs… http://lists.freedesktop.org
[06:22:13] <|> ^ 03[systemd-devel] Cannot use systemctl after heavy swapping pre { white-space: pre-wrap; /* css-2.1, curent FF, Opera, Safari */ } [systemd-devel] Cannot use systemctl after heavy swapping Jan Janssen medhefgo at web.de Fri Nov 14 06:20:23 PST 2014 Previous message: [systemd-devel] systemd DBus services exit when they haveclients Next message: [systemd-devel] Cannot use
[06:22:15] <crutchy> wayland_utani++ # or whatever its called
[06:22:15] <Bender> karma - wayland_utani: 1
[06:22:28] <Robotron> I keep thinking soylent should have a subscription promotion at Christmas or something
[06:22:30] <JamesNZ> ar: Oh? When that happened to me it just hung for about a minute.
[06:22:33] <crutchy> ar, everything has bugs
[06:22:50] <crutchy> they'll fix it
[06:22:50] <ar> crutchy: but a damn init system should be small enough to not have them
[06:22:54] <Robotron> like discount it slightly, so people will be moved to chip in to the fund during the festive time
[06:22:59] <crutchy> everything has them
[06:22:59] <JamesNZ> ar: That's like, just one.
[06:23:27] * JamesNZ wonders how many bugs sysV had when it was 2 years old?
[06:24:13] <crutchy> rome wasn't built in a day
[06:24:15] <JamesNZ> ar: I'm not saying that systemd is spectacular when it comes to bugs, just that I see no evidence of it being more buggy than any comparable piece of software.
[06:24:36] <ar> systemd components have stupid bugs that anyone even forgot you could actually make when implementing them. like the resolver that is suspicible to cache poisoning
[06:24:55] <ar> the code is full of awful and pointless constructs, like STRV
[06:25:46] <ar> (which was created because someone doesn't know how to use const keyword)
[06:25:48] <crutchy> better to find bugs early on i guess
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[06:26:16] <arti> apparently pbnjoe felt guilty
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[06:26:19] <crutchy> prolly one advantage of a lot of haters is that they will do everything they can to undermine it, and one way to do that is to look for bugs :D
[06:26:30] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Preferably before adoption in almost every major distro :P
[06:26:43] <ar> i'm not a 'hater'. systemd lovers are nutjobs
[06:26:49] <ar> erm
[06:26:50] <ar> nutheads
[06:26:51] <crutchy> how long has bash and openssl been in official distros?
[06:26:51] <ciri> not sure
[06:27:04] <JamesNZ> Shaddup ciri.
[06:27:05] <crutchy> everything has bugs
[06:27:22] <arti> you just say that because australia
[06:27:29] <JamesNZ> XD
[06:27:31] <ar> crutchy: sysv init had less
[06:27:40] <ar> crutchy: sysv init was stable and predictable
[06:27:42] <JamesNZ> arti++
[06:27:42] <Bender> karma - arti: 64
[06:28:05] * arti tips hat
[06:28:21] <crutchy> ar, you're falling into a trap of comparing something tried and tested with something new and innovative
[06:28:31] <crutchy> not really a valid comparison
[06:28:31] <ar> it's not innovative, really.
[06:28:37] <crutchy> prolly not
[06:28:41] <crutchy> was just sayin
[06:29:02] <crutchy> i personally dont give much of a toss about systemd
[06:29:02] <arti> nuh uh, secretly you commit to systemd
[06:29:07] <crutchy> lol
[06:29:08] <ar> it's new, pointless and actually solves no problems, other than the ones introduced by itself
[06:29:16] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:29:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[06:29:18] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:29:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[06:29:26] <crutchy> ar, if that were true it would be dead already
[06:29:40] <arti> well if they built it as best as they could they couldn't debug it
[06:29:57] <crutchy> at the very least it gives bug finders something to do :D
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[06:30:21] <arti> and us something to talk about
[06:30:23] <ar> crutchy: it's not dead only because it is forcibly pushed by redhat and gnome lovers
[06:30:28] <crutchy> obama should support systemd cos it creates jerbs
[06:30:35] <arti> i think what ar is suggesting is systemd themed garments
[06:30:47] <crutchy> ooh
[06:30:57] <arti> we hear you ar, loud and clear. christmas is coming :D
[06:31:00] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:31:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[06:31:01] <crutchy> thongctl
[06:31:04] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:31:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[06:31:08] <JamesNZ> crutchy: O_o
[06:31:13] <chromas> systemd++ # for having the power to take over every major distro
[06:31:13] <Bender> karma - systemd: -17
[06:31:26] <arti> :D
[06:31:33] <JamesNZ> I do wonder what discussion went on inside RH about systemd.
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[06:31:59] <arti> [ Deep in an office building somewhere ]
[06:32:00] <JamesNZ> Adam Williamson mentioned somewhere that systemd only exists because Lennart sold it internally first.
[06:32:08] <ar> JamesNZ: most of the kernel and support guys hate systemd
[06:32:32] <JamesNZ> ar: Hate systemd or systemd devs? Linus seems to be quite ambivalent towards it.
[06:32:36] <crutchy> except *the* kernel guy doesn't seem to mind it
[06:32:52] <crutchy> so kinda doubt that claim
[06:33:10] <chromas> aside from that time systemd stepped on the kernel, the kernel devs shouldn't care about init
[06:33:17] <arti> this is more complicated than a google battle so i don't have much to add
[06:33:21] <ar> crutchy: because he doesn't have a large server farm and when stuff breaks, he doesn't mind a reboot because the machines he's using are not production servers
[06:34:02] <crutchy> prolly true, but still kinda doesn't give the whole "kernel devs hate systemd thing" much credence
[06:34:37] <arti> wasn't aware linus was 'most'
[06:34:52] <JamesNZ> IIRC Ted T'so posted a rather negative entry on G+ about systemd.
[06:35:10] <ar> >073208 | ar | JamesNZ: most of the kernel and support guys hate systemd
[06:35:17] * chromas awaits a push back from large server farms—perhaps a google init
[06:35:19] <ar> (most of the redhat kernel guys)'
[06:35:23] <arti> maybe that's why we haven't heard it :P
[06:35:44] <arti> i think it's brilliant for redhat, don't they charge for support :D
[06:35:56] <JamesNZ> ar: You mean most of the RH kernel guys hate systemd?
[06:36:03] <crutchy> money makes the world go round
[06:36:06] * JamesNZ is sceptical
[06:36:13] <arti> i was misinformed, thought it was fat bottomed girls...
[06:36:27] <crutchy> think of how much more popular linux is thanks to all the fandroids
[06:36:38] <JamesNZ> arti: Maybe it's part of their secret plan to increase profit :D
[06:36:58] <crutchy> toe cheese should be free dammit!
[06:37:01] <JamesNZ> crutchy: I don't think anyone really cares that Android is linux underneath.
[06:37:25] <arti> ITS JUST A KERNEL111!!11
[06:37:25] <crutchy> JamesNZ, true, but it has improved hardware support and corporate support etc.
[06:37:35] <chromas> soon the same can be said for systemd
[06:37:42] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Ah, didn't know that.
[06:38:06] <arti> "now with more nsa dongle support"
[06:38:14] <crutchy> hardware vendors never used to give much of a shit about linux
[06:38:22] * arti points to the router guys
[06:38:57] * crutchy is reminded of torvald's famous nvidia rant
[06:39:24] <JamesNZ> linus++
[06:39:24] <Bender> karma - linus: 1
[06:39:25] <crutchy> i think even nvidia is more cooperative nowadays
[06:39:45] <JamesNZ> Yeah, I think they open sourced part of their drivers recently.
[06:40:04] <chromas> ati--
[06:40:04] <Bender> karma - ati: -1
[06:40:07] <arti> indeed.
[06:40:09] <arti> ati--
[06:40:09] <Bender> karma - ati: -2
[06:40:25] <JamesNZ> amd-- # Wrong company
[06:40:25] <Bender> karma - amd: -1
[06:40:38] <chromas> at-- # for specificity
[06:40:38] <Bender> karma - at: -1
[06:40:41] <chromas> ati-- # for specificity
[06:40:41] <Bender> karma - ati: -3
[06:41:21] <crutchy> as much as i like free shit, i think companies being able to make money is important too. i remember watching i thing where linus was talking about his first kernel license forbidding making money or something, and he regretted that part
[06:41:39] <JamesNZ> Man, the FOSS drivers were miles ahead of their ones when I last used them a few years ago.
[06:41:49] * chromas tosses a wheel of toecheese at crutchy
[06:41:52] <ar> amd++
[06:41:52] <Bender> karma - amd: 0
[06:42:07] <crutchy> amd++ # cos intel is gay
[06:42:07] <Bender> karma - amd: 1
[06:42:15] <arti> good to hear james
[06:42:17] <ar> i never* had a problem with their drivers or hardware
[06:42:21] <chromas> amd for cpus, nvidia for graphics
[06:42:38] <JamesNZ> chromas: Indeed.
[06:42:47] <crutchy> adobe-- # for using intel-specific features
[06:42:47] <Bender> karma - adobe: -3
[06:43:02] <chromas> adobe-- # for microsofting
[06:43:02] <Bender> karma - adobe: -4
[06:43:17] <JamesNZ> adobe-- # BECAUSE READER!
[06:43:17] <Bender> karma - adobe: -5
[06:43:24] <crutchy> adobe-- # because they're gay
[06:43:24] <Bender> karma - adobe: -6
[06:43:30] <ar> nvidia-- # for shitty "gameworks" libraries that are terribly inefficient
[06:43:30] <Bender> karma - nvidia: -1
[06:43:43] <chromas> adobe-- # for being a powertop
[06:43:43] <Bender> karma - adobe: -7
[06:43:59] * arti hopes the SaaS CC dies
[06:44:13] <crutchy> what's the CC bit?
[06:44:20] <crutchy> i know what SaaS is
[06:44:21] <arti> creative cloud
[06:44:35] <chromas> -1, redundant
[06:44:46] <crutchy> yeah
[06:44:48] * arti tosses hotdogs at crutchy
[06:44:51] * chromas introduces cloud-as-a-soyvice
[06:44:58] <arti> they named their stupid products that
[06:44:59] <JamesNZ> XD
[06:45:06] <ar> arti: it's not actually a bad thing. you can legally use their software for reasonable ammounts of money
[06:45:13] <arti> except never own it
[06:45:22] * crutchy whacks chromas in the head with his hotdog
[06:45:37] <ar> arti: you never own a piece of software if you "buy" it.
[06:45:38] <crutchy> SaaS++
[06:45:38] <Bender> karma - saas: 1
[06:45:39] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:45:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[06:45:41] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:45:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[06:45:42] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:45:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[06:45:49] <ar> arti: you only get a licence to use it
[06:45:53] <arti> ar, at least i'm not renting it
[06:46:00] <arti> do you understand the difference there?
[06:46:03] <crutchy> microsoft-- # if only office360 didn't totally suck baws
[06:46:03] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -9
[06:46:23] <JamesNZ> dishes--
[06:46:23] <Bender> karma - dishes: -1
[06:46:33] * JamesNZ wanders off to deal with them
[06:46:34] * Konomi waits for her submission
[06:46:38] * Konomi rubs hands
[06:46:40] * arti imagines a hold
[06:46:47] <ar> arti: the difference here is that a friend of mine doesn't have to spend a shitton of money to occasionally do some photography work
[06:46:55] <arti> wow that's great
[06:47:02] <arti> how does that work out after the first year?
[06:47:19] <crutchy> if only autodesk did reasonable priced SaaS
[06:47:27] <crutchy> with decent fams
[06:47:29] * chromas wasn't aware adobe was the only commercial option for digital imaging
[06:47:30] <crutchy> *farms
[06:47:35] <arti> chromas, me either
[06:47:49] <arti> apparently only photoshop can edit photos, better not license anything from gimp
[06:48:01] <crutchy> cos paying $20k/seat is a flucking ripoff
[06:48:05] <chromas> corel++
[06:48:05] <Bender> karma - corel: 1
[06:48:12] <arti> corel was pretty sweet
[06:48:12] <ar> chromas: in theory it isn't, but in practice…
[06:48:32] <arti> what is your photography friend using in photoshop? actions?
[06:48:40] <chromas> ar: for of occasional photography work…
[06:48:45] <chromas> s/of /
[06:48:48] <crutchy> arti, he's using his bankcard
[06:49:03] <arti> you can use bankcards to cut up cocaine
[06:49:15] <arti> my friends totally told me this, honest
[06:49:24] <chromas> not if you spent all your cocaine money oh software licenses
[06:49:42] <ar> arti: hell if i know. but gimp isn't enough. if it would, he wouldn't use photoshop, as he doesn't really use windows
[06:50:06] <arti> either way, cool he's got options. bummer they only offer that for their new stuff
[06:50:17] <crutchy> gimp isn't as easy to use as ps, but it can do a lot of shit
[06:50:31] <arti> both have a learning curve
[06:50:40] <chromas> gimp is pretty ugly too
[06:50:47] <chromas> photopaint++
[06:50:47] <Bender> karma - photopaint: 1
[06:51:15] * crutchy doesn't mind gimp, but doesn't do a whole lot with it
[06:51:25] <arti> you should code an irc plugin for it
[06:51:39] <crutchy> chromas, might try a keep-alive socket tonight
[06:51:40] <Subsentient> crutchy: oh where was I
[06:51:41] <chromas> in Script-Fu
[06:51:44] <Subsentient> ahh yes well
[06:51:47] <arti> hey Subsentient, grettings
[06:51:48] <ar> there used to be an xmpp plugin for inkscape
[06:51:52] <arti> greetings :/
[06:52:05] <arti> that's pretty sweet
[06:52:08] <Subsentient> my next task will be to allow per-channel enable/disable of control codes.
[06:52:12] <ar> it was there for "multiplayer vector graphics editing"
[06:52:13] <Subsentient> arti: hiyah
[06:52:32] <crutchy> someone distracted us from the systemd flamage
[06:52:35] <Subsentient> Ran across this yesterday: arti
[06:52:36] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[06:52:36] <|> ^ 03Fleur licking the inside of my nostril - YouTube
[06:52:46] * arti watches
[06:53:05] <arti> ah, youtube.
[06:53:15] <crutchy> better than hentai?
[06:53:15] <arti> what'll be awesome is when is grandkids see this
[06:53:22] * crutchy has kiddies nearby
[06:53:37] <Subsentient> crutchy: no just gross.
[06:53:43] <crutchy> ah
[06:53:47] <crutchy> kids like gross
[06:53:52] <crutchy> kids++
[06:53:52] <Bender> karma - kids: 1
[06:54:33] <arti> hopefully that cat will do that to other people when they visit
[06:54:35] <crutchy> ooh
[06:54:42] <arti> cartman: no kitteh!
[06:54:51] <crutchy> another impending systemd flamefest
[06:54:52] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[06:54:53] <|> ^ 0304SN Submission by Anonymous Coward: The Engineering Management Practices Used By Major Linux Distros When Adopting Systemd
[06:55:11] * arti imagines sacrificial goats and candles
[06:55:55] <crutchy> =goat song
[06:55:55] <|> https://www.youtube.com
[06:55:56] <Subsentient> arti: crutchy: Please start eating some cream cheese prior to watching this.
[06:55:57] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[06:55:57] <|> ^ 03NASAL CHOLESTEATOMA - YouTube
[06:56:09] <Subsentient> Skip to 30 seconds in.
[06:56:12] <arti> is that the huge date like object pulled out?
[06:56:16] <crutchy> ew. the title is enough
[06:56:20] <crutchy> i just ate dinner
[06:56:22] <arti> it's pretty awesome
[06:56:30] <arti> this is pretty tame
[06:56:50] <crutchy> hmm. need a goat song link chromas
[06:57:00] <arti> !g yelling goats
[06:57:01] <Subsentient> I liked the way one user commented: "Now spread that hummus on your morning toast"
[06:57:01] <ciri> 392,000 results | Goats Yelling Like Humans - Super Cut Compilation - YouTube @ http://www.youtube.com | Funny Goats Screaming like Humans - YouTube @ http://www.youtube.com | The Ultimate Goats Yelling Like Humans Compilation Original ... @ http://www.youtube.com | Goats yelling like humans. [VIDEO] - Wimp.com @
[06:57:02] <ciri> http://www.wimp.com | Two Minutes of Nothing But Goats Yelling Like Humans - Gawker @ http://gawker.com
[06:57:45] <crutchy> =set goat song = https://www.youtube.com
[06:57:45] <|> k
[06:57:45] <|> ## Error in cell reference: missing hive name
[06:57:57] <crutchy> =set goat/song = https://www.youtube.com
[06:57:57] <|> k
[06:57:58] <|> ## Hive not foundgoat/song
[06:58:01] <crutchy> lol
[06:58:02] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[06:58:19] <crutchy> foundgoat++
[06:58:19] <Bender> karma - foundgoat: 1
[06:58:30] <arti> goat any problems
[06:58:57] <crutchy> i goat know. i've never under goated it
[06:59:48] <crutchy> need a cloud2goat ff plugin that works like cloud2butt
[06:59:58] <Subsentient> lol
[07:01:05] <crutchy> ~var goat/song = https://www.youtube.com
[07:01:25] <arti> http://www.amazon.com
[07:01:26] <|> ^ 03Pet Goats & Pap Smears: 101 Medical Adventures to Open Your Heart & Mind: Pamela Wible MD, Kiki Metzler: 9780985710309: Amazon.com: Books
[07:01:36] <arti> this is so awesome
[07:01:40] <crutchy> ~set goat/song = https://www.youtube.com
[07:01:41] <exec> 06goat/song = https://www.youtube.com
[07:02:28] <crutchy> ~set goat/gravity = https://www.youtube.com
[07:02:29] <exec> 06goat/gravity = https://www.youtube.com
[07:02:42] <crutchy> ~cd goat/
[07:02:43] <exec> 06crutchy@exec:goat/
[07:02:51] <crutchy> ~ls
[07:02:53] <exec> 06goat/song
[07:02:53] <exec> 06goat/gravity
[07:03:04] <crutchy> goats++
[07:03:04] <Bender> karma - goats: 1
[07:03:08] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:03:08] <|> ^ 03Skrillex - First of the Year GOAT Edition - YouTube
[07:07:24] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[07:07:24] <|> ^ 03Talking CACA-POO-POO Cow - YouTube
[07:07:28] <crutchy> lmao
[07:10:09] <arti> haha
[07:11:04] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:11:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[07:13:50] <arti> crutchy: https://www.youtube.com
[07:13:51] <|> ^ 03Bruce almighty outtakes - YouTube
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[07:39:30] <Konomi> peer hates everyone
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[07:40:23] <juggs> it would seem so. damn Frenchie hackers at it again! ;)
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[07:59:33] <juggs> .op
[07:59:33] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o juggs] by juggler
[08:01:40] <arti> looks like tachyon is trying to win the most frequent user :D
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[08:02:18] <juggs> they're just blinking in and out of existence
[08:03:40] <crutchy> nah exec still holds that title by a margin :d
[08:04:31] <crutchy> ~var cow/talk = https://www.youtube.com
[08:04:37] <crutchy> dammit
[08:04:43] <crutchy> ~set cow/talk = https://www.youtube.com
[08:04:45] <exec> 06goat/cow/talk = https://www.youtube.com
[08:04:52] <crutchy> keep forgetting i changed it'
[08:05:00] <crutchy> oh crap
[08:05:07] <crutchy> ~rm talk
[08:05:08] <exec> 06error: goat/talk not found
[08:05:36] <crutchy> better go in #test whilst i fugure out how this thing worls
[08:05:41] <crutchy> ~join #test
[08:05:45] <chromas> cowtalkctl start scratchin'
[08:06:00] <crutchy> lol
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[08:06:13] <crutchy> that cow is soo goat right now
[08:06:31] <crutchy> ~cat talk
[08:06:39] <crutchy> ~echo talk
[08:06:51] <crutchy> pfft
[08:08:01] <crutchy> lol "It's gonna be my ringtone"
[08:08:14] <crutchy> top comment @ https://www.youtube.com
[08:08:14] <|> ^ 03PEWDIEPIE GOAT SIMULATOR SONG (with lyrics/sub-titles) SING ALONG - Pewds Goat Song - YouTube
[08:08:22] <juggler> :D
[08:08:23] <arti> you and pewdie
[08:08:39] <juggs> .deop
[08:08:39] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[08:08:40] <crutchy> oh goat oh goat goat
[08:08:44] <juggler> :D
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[08:08:56] * | pokes juggler
[08:09:02] <crutchy> he shares my warped sense of humour
[08:09:13] * juggler giggles
[08:09:32] * crutchy juggles juggler's jigglers
[08:09:56] * chromas jiggles juggler's juggs
[08:10:23] * juggler smacks chromas in the face - stop that!
[08:10:45] * | likes to watch
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[08:10:49] * crutchy is reminded of a classic monty python moment
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[08:13:19] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:13:19] <|> ^ 03Monty Python And The Holy Grail - Just A Flesh Wound (NSFW) - YouTube
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[08:14:24] <juggs> ahh - the black knight. I'll bite yer legs off!
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[08:15:39] <crutchy> ooh
[08:15:52] * crutchy is reminded of another classic monty python moment :d
[08:16:45] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:16:45] <|> ^ 03You lucky bastard (Dungeon Scene) Monty Python-Life of Brian - YouTube
[08:19:15] <juggs> hmm - wonder if citizenfour has reached my local cinema yet... /me goes to check
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[08:40:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Now Has an ‘Inspector Satellite’ that Could Chase Down or Destroy Other Orbiting Spacecraft - http://sylnt.us - sabre-rattles-in-space
[08:43:40] <juggs> well it "could" but that's just speculation - they've not actually said what its intended purpose is
[08:46:40] <Konomi> pdd
[08:46:42] <Konomi> odd*
[08:46:52] <Konomi> submitted stories pending was showing up top for me
[08:46:59] <Konomi> now it just shows the page genderated message
[08:49:04] <juggs> what url?
[08:50:44] <Konomi> mina page
[08:50:46] <Konomi> main page
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[08:50:56] <Konomi> normally shows "x amount of submissions waiting:
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[08:51:02] <Konomi> now it shows page generated emssage
[08:51:25] <juggs> Ahh - the submissions nagger thing?
[08:51:50] <juggs> It disappears when the number of subs is > than some level
[08:51:54] <Konomi> ah okay
[08:52:14] <Konomi> you can tell despite being on slashdot forever I never really paid much attention to how it worked...
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[08:52:37] <juggs> makes two of us - I barely know how SN works either xD
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[08:52:42] <chromas> /. didn't have the nagger
[08:53:34] <Konomi> I made a mistake in my script
[08:53:41] <Konomi> and kept querying acpi data with no delay
[08:53:46] <Konomi> that kernel cpu usage ;p
[08:54:11] <juggs> tsk tsk
[08:54:25] <Konomi> my netbook was roaring x.x
[08:55:04] <juggs> keeps the place warm - not that you'd be needing that
[08:58:08] <Konomi> last thing I want warm is my netbook ;p
[08:59:01] <crutchy> anyone here got any experience with keep-alive web scripts?
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[09:00:41] <juggs> used to have a php chatroom that used persistent connections - bit of a memory hog as I recall
[09:01:44] * crutchy assumes eof detects connection dropout by client
[09:02:12] <crutchy> s/eof/feof/
[09:02:13] <exec> <crutchy> assumes feof detects connection dropout by client
[09:06:40] <juggs> ~shrugs~ I didn't write the thing :D
[09:07:07] <juggs> I see it's still going... $deity knows who uses it... http://www.pcpin.com
[09:07:08] <|> ^ 03PCPIN.com :: Downloads
[09:07:24] <juggs> might be able to get some clues from some of the classes thereimn
[09:08:37] <chromas> crutchy: here's how to make it moar cimplimicated
[09:09:09] * crutchy chucks in a while (True) for good measure :D
[09:09:34] <chromas> 0: turn on your ircd 1: make exec hold a second connection to it 2: make a php script on your web server that connects up as a client, makes a request, which exec picks up and replies to
[09:10:32] <chromas> plus you can have a channel for each type of debug output from exec <:D
[09:11:16] <crutchy> exec needs a built-in ircd :p
[09:11:39] <juggs> execd-ircd
[09:11:52] <chromas> crutchyctl start codin'
[09:12:13] <crutchy> workin on the bot-side web script atm
[09:13:45] <crutchy> feck
[09:14:01] <crutchy> oef won't work cos its mod_php
[09:14:22] * crutchy facepalms
[09:14:30] <chromas> at least persistent sockets should work
[09:14:35] <chromas> if that's any use
[09:15:09] <crutchy> i'm just used to using sockets. /me is falling out of the web scripting groove :/
[09:15:30] <chromas> web--
[09:15:31] <Bender> karma - web: -1
[09:17:07] <crutchy> starting to think i should use a listener
[09:17:40] <crutchy> prolly need to add an iptables rule
[09:18:10] <chromas> just between exec and the web server
[09:18:24] <crutchy> yeah
[09:20:58] * crutchy groans
[09:21:11] <crutchy> apache was simpler, but i want awesomeness :p
[09:21:35] * SirFinkus is cooking jambalaya
[09:27:20] <juggs> good choice SirFinkus
[09:27:45] <SirFinkus> I didn't have an onion, so I used onion powder instead, I hope it works ok
[09:29:31] <juggs> be fine I guess
[09:29:31] <ciri> where you going? juggs
[09:29:50] <juggs> eh? who removed ciri's one brain cell?
[09:30:07] <SirFinkus> ciri--
[09:30:07] <Bender> karma - ciri: -26
[09:37:36] <crutchy> looks like i already got "iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.2 -j ACCEPT"
[09:38:02] * crutchy wonders if you can set a rule based on mac
[09:38:25] <ar> crutchy: ebtables
[09:39:14] <juggs> /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -m mac --mac-source 00:0F:EA:91:04:08 -j ACCEPT
[09:39:27] <juggs> http://www.cyberciti.biz
[09:39:28] <|> ^ 03Iptables MAC Address Filtering - nixCraft
[09:39:30] <juggs> :D
[09:39:55] <crutchy> ebtables looks similar to iptables
[09:40:24] <crutchy> ooh
[09:40:30] <crutchy> might try something like this:
[09:40:31] <crutchy> iptables -A FORWARD -s 172.16.1.4 -m mac ! --mac-source 00:11:22:33:44:55 -j DROP
[09:40:47] <crutchy> from http://ebtables.netfilter.org
[09:40:49] <|> ^ 03ebtables ? Basic examples
[09:41:13] <crutchy> except for INPUT
[09:42:00] <juggs> looks right
[09:42:26] <juggs> but then it would do as it's on netfilter.org :D
[09:43:11] <crutchy> should be able to just slip the anti-spoof in before the existing accept rule
[09:44:41] <crutchy> fuck
[09:45:22] <crutchy> anyone know a command to get a mac for an ip?
[09:45:28] <crutchy> netstat or something
[09:45:38] * crutchy sucks at cli shit
[09:45:38] <chromas> i[ addr
[09:45:41] <chromas> ip addr
[09:46:43] <juggs> or ifconfig
[09:47:53] <crutchy> for a router
[09:48:43] <juggs> look at the little label stuck on the back or underside :D
[09:49:05] <crutchy> crutchyctl move off-couch
[09:50:07] <juggs> might need sudo for that one
[09:50:09] <crutchy> arp -a seemed to work :D
[09:50:22] <crutchy> i'm su in ssh
[09:53:02] <crutchy> lets me through at least
[09:53:25] * chromas pings crutchy's box to death
[09:53:31] <chromas> box_pounding++
[09:53:31] <Bender> karma - box_pounding: 1
[09:56:32] <SirFinkus> well, it's starting to smell good now
[09:56:48] <SirFinkus> jambalaya++
[09:56:48] <Bender> karma - jambalaya: 1
[09:58:22] <juggs> My place currently has a strong odour of madras curry - slowly gathering ferocity in my slow cooker. :D
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[09:58:54] <crutchy> should be able to create a listening socket on port 50000 or something
[09:59:44] <chromas> too high
[09:59:55] <juggs> why too high?
[09:59:57] <Subsentient> wz
[09:59:59] <Subsentient> $wz
[09:59:59] <aqu4> 3[1 of 1] Name: Can You Face the Gerbils? | Map: RushHour-T1 | Host: Dsheck(MOEPP) | Players: 3/8 | IP: 68.231.206.135 | Version: 3.1.1
[10:00:01] <chromas> oh never mind, I read an extra 0
[10:00:18] <SirFinkus> curry++
[10:00:18] <Bender> karma - curry: 3
[10:00:21] <SirFinkus> any kind will do
[10:00:31] <SirFinkus> but indian curry is the best
[10:01:10] <SirFinkus> I kind of winged the jambalaya, just tossed a bunch of shit in the rice cooker
[10:01:33] <chromas> nothin' wrong with that; recipes are for baking
[10:01:36] <juggs> Reminds me - I need to pick up a proper rice cooker at some point
[10:02:00] <SirFinkus> zojirushi++
[10:02:00] <Bender> karma - zojirushi: 1
[10:03:34] <SirFinkus> this can't be done quickly enough, I'm hungry as fuck
[10:05:00] <juggs> I hate that phase - happens all too often though as I tend to not start cooking until I'm actually hungry.
[10:08:05] <juggs> zojirushi rice cookers look interesting - though I'll most likely just visit one of the local asian / indian stores and pick up a cheap as chips conventional one.
[10:08:37] <SirFinkus> the cheap ones aren't very good usually
[10:09:00] <SirFinkus> I've had a few and they usually make really soggy rice
[10:09:16] <juggs> just reduce the amount of water surely?
[10:09:18] <SirFinkus> I'd spend at least about $100, I think that's the lower end
[10:10:17] <SirFinkus> the heating cycle is important, especially for stuff like sushi rice
[10:10:28] <SirFinkus> you need to let the rice soak for a bit
[10:10:51] <SirFinkus> mine also will do gaba rice, it heats up the grains so they sprout before cooking them
[10:13:04] <SirFinkus> 6 minutes :D
[10:14:16] <juggs> I'd not heard of gaba rice before... that's my one thing learnt for the day :D
[10:16:02] <crutchy> same here
[10:16:09] * crutchy had to wikipedia it
[10:16:36] <crutchy> tama++
[10:16:36] <Bender> karma - tama: 4
[10:17:00] * juggs is reading the instructables piece on it
[10:17:27] <SirFinkus> oh man, I just cut the fuck out of my toe, it's almost to the bone
[10:17:46] <crutchy> ¿
[10:18:13] <crutchy> i think its convention to use a knife with your hands
[10:18:41] <SirFinkus> accidently kicking an old mac pro full force, it got 3 of my toes and the space between my little toe and the ring on or whatever the fuck you'd call it
[10:19:24] <crutchy> netcraft confirms it: macs will kill you
[10:19:31] <crutchy> eventually
[10:20:01] <crutchy> got most of the web script ready
[10:20:07] <crutchy> now for the listener :)
[10:20:33] <SirFinkus> I found the chunk it took out of my foot on the floor
[10:21:13] <chromas> Does it look like a button? That could be why the apple took it
[10:21:38] <crutchy> hmm. girls should definitely stay away from macs then
[10:23:12] <Popeidol> girls should definitely stay away from max then
[10:23:47] <chromas> max iPads
[10:24:08] <chromas> with flying toasters
[10:27:37] * juggs breaks out the iFirstAidKit
[10:28:29] <SirFinkus> the jambalaya worked pretty well, better with the real onions too
[10:29:02] <juggs> DId you through the foot chunk in for extra protein? :D
[10:29:06] <juggs> throw*
[10:29:14] <chromas> toe
[10:29:19] <SirFinkus> I should have
[10:29:59] <crutchy> with extra cheese
[10:30:12] <crutchy> gnu/rice
[10:30:35] <chromas> open sores
[10:30:54] <SirFinkus> man, that hurts like a bitch
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[10:34:59] <SirFinkus> but the rice is so damn good
[10:37:34] <Konomi> can someone change the git hub link on soylent from
[10:37:40] <Konomi> https://github.com
[10:37:41] <|> ^ 03 ( https://github.com )
[10:37:44] <Konomi> to
[10:37:45] <Konomi> https://github.com
[10:37:46] <|> ^ 03Issues · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[10:37:50] <Konomi> one asks to log in one doesn't
[10:45:32] <SirFinkus> god damn, that hurt
[10:51:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: Is there a Completely Private, Android Fitness Tracking-App for Personal Data-Mining? - http://sylnt.us - you-are-the-product
[10:53:20] <crutchy> Konomi, one day we might be able to register an issue with ~slashcode-issue
[10:53:23] <crutchy> https://github.com
[10:53:24] <|> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/github_feed.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[10:53:44] <crutchy> not quite working properly yet, but it creates test issue successfully
[10:54:28] <juggs> hmm, I'm liking the rice cookers with a 2nd tier or basket for chucking the veges in too steam
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[10:58:38] <juggs> omgwtfbbq! http://www.amazon.co.uk
[10:58:41] <|> ^ 03TIGER Microcomputer rice cooker <Mini cooked> (3gou Cook) Sweet Pink JAJ-A550-PS: Amazon.co.uk: Kitchen & Home
[10:58:49] <juggs> just... why?
[10:59:09] <crutchy> because... ponies!
[11:14:37] <crutchy> chromas, think i got the push notification server ready :)
[11:20:15] <crutchy> yay! i can telnet to the notification server
[11:35:21] <juggs> that's a good start :)
[11:37:42] <Konomi> yay chocolate
[11:38:38] <juggs> konomimoodctl elevate maximum
[11:39:02] <Konomi> dont-feel-like-killing-juggs-in-his-sleep-with-a-pillow-now
[11:39:23] <crutchy> kinky
[11:39:50] <Konomi> what gets crutchy off: suffocation
[11:40:22] * juggs feels a teeny bit safer
[11:41:40] <Konomi> hmm was hoping it would motivate me but now I just don't feel like crap but I still don't feel like doing anything
[11:41:46] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:41:47] <|> ^ 03The Love Scene - Pascal Dubois - YouTube
[11:41:52] <crutchy> good coding music
[11:43:56] <Konomi> I half expected heavy metal
[11:47:53] <juggs> pascal++
[11:47:53] <Bender> karma - pascal: 44
[11:48:47] <juggs> grr Konomi - now I want some choccy. Going to have to head out and buy some /me shakes fist
[11:49:00] <Konomi> hehe
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[12:19:52] <Konomi> there got off my butt and put 3 new packages up
[12:19:55] * Konomi falls over
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[12:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:40:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[12:41:17] <juggs> juggsctl chocolateingestd start
[12:41:35] <juggs> morning TMB - seems a late start for you
[12:42:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, woke up 20m early, rolled over n went back to sleep, slept through the alarm
[12:42:48] <juggs> good work sir, must've need the extra nap
[12:43:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, likely making up for some sleep i missed as a teenager
[12:43:45] <Konomi> if I ever did that I'd be sleeping the rest of my life
[12:44:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, hence the need for an alarm
[12:44:44] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:44:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[12:44:44] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:44:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[12:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was far too often out the window and over swilling whiskey n smoking from 13 on up
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[12:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hey, crutchy, the api is mostly done for AC use if you wanna start writing up a php library for it
[12:57:21] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[12:57:38] <crutchy> !todo
[12:57:38] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) IRCiv 2) irc voting script 3) make freepascal version of sn log parser 4) ~nokill feature 5) meeting script 6) logging script 7) add more ~define sources 8) spam tmb
[12:57:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> by mostly i mean i'm not sure if i'm going to write up anything for polls or not
[12:58:09] <crutchy> !done 7
[12:58:09] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[12:58:21] <crutchy> !done 2
[12:58:21] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[12:58:36] <crutchy> !todo php lib for slash api
[12:58:36] <Bender> todo item 7 added
[12:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone else gets to write the perl library for it if you want one sooner than months from now.
[12:59:57] <crutchy> ^konomi :D
[13:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly just as well. i'm better at writing scripts than modules anyway.
[13:04:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me though, i need to go in and add the reskey calls to the docs
[13:06:20] <crutchy> ~suggest-api slashcode api library in php/perl/etc
[13:06:27] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[13:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could add preview to the post option for stories today
[13:16:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, not feelin the mojo
[13:40:14] <crutchy> tmb, got mah notification server working
[13:40:24] <crutchy> for pushing requests to exec
[13:40:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice, how you feeding the push server?
[13:40:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> tailing a log or something?
[13:40:57] <crutchy> request files
[13:41:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, i gotcha
[13:41:12] <crutchy> created by apache php script
[13:41:41] <crutchy> haven't got all 3 scripts working together yet (just been mucking around in telnet)
[13:41:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:43:26] <crutchy> got it so i can connect more than one bot if i want (might be handy for running separate dev bot, or debugging in telnet at the same time as bot is connected
[13:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'll get it i'm sure. ain't rocket surgery.
[13:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, makes sense
[13:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought about the md5sum of live source files but it largely won't work because of how they're separated into directories differently after deploy than before.
[13:48:47] <crutchy> live source files?
[13:49:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya like Data.pm on the live server
[13:49:10] <crutchy> ah
[13:49:17] <crutchy> to make sure they not tinkered with?
[13:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> that would be in an expected place. ipnd would not.
[13:49:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you suggested it as an api call.
[13:49:39] <crutchy> oh
[13:50:44] <crutchy> was more just to get a hash to compare against a dev file to see if its same or diff, but yeah i guess needs some kind of identifier
[13:51:20] <crutchy> could you include the path with the filename in a get param?
[13:51:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i mean. they go in different places on deploy vs in the source
[13:52:00] <crutchy> is the directory structure different?
[13:52:30] <crutchy> is most of it similar?
[13:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> on dev vs live, not really. on src/slashcode/ vs slash/ very much.
[13:53:05] <crutchy> could always just map any paths that are different (pain if there's heaps but might be ok if there's only a few)
[13:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of the stuff in src even goes off to /etc/init.d/
[13:53:24] <crutchy> ah yeah makes sense
[13:53:41] <crutchy> and /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[13:54:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, apache is all self contained in ~slash in this case.
[13:54:10] <crutchy> err. won't be apache2 eh :p
[13:54:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, mysql is a system-wide package
[13:55:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's an odd setup really
[13:55:29] <crutchy> it evolved
[13:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> like a fungus
[13:55:43] <crutchy> exec was really simple. now its turning into a fungus too
[13:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> themightybot is still dead simple because i can't think of anything useful for it to do.
[13:57:43] <crutchy> is there anything in http://sylnt.us
[13:57:43] <|> ^ 03YOURLS — Your Own URL Shortener | http://sylnt.us ( http://sylnt.us )
[13:57:53] <crutchy> oops
[13:57:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish cpan had better module search capabilities
[13:57:57] <crutchy> is there anything in http://sylnt.us
[13:57:57] <|> ^ 03Wiki: Suggestions ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[13:58:20] <crutchy> i started out with simple scripts just to help myself
[13:58:24] <crutchy> like ~php
[13:58:33] <crutchy> does fuck all but its handy
[13:58:38] <crutchy> ~php strpos
[13:58:39] <exec> mixed strpos( string $haystack , mixed $needle [, int $offset = 0] )
[13:58:39] <exec> http://php.net
[13:59:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, most of that kinda stuff i put on a conky script or run from a browser/terminal so i can keep it handy though
[14:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i got all kinds of nifty things that conky does. including automatic window resizing and placement.
[14:00:38] <crutchy> i thought conky was just a data display thingy
[14:00:51] <crutchy> an awesome data display thingy :D
[14:01:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is but it can display the results of an external script, so it can necessarily run an external script.
[14:01:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if that script happens to return no data, well...
[14:02:07] <crutchy> could always do a slashcode github issue submitter
[14:02:40] <crutchy> i've started but i got shitloads of unfinished stuff and i'm a gunna do so will prolly never get finished
[14:02:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, they don't do for anonymous issue submission and i don't want to make a bot account.
[14:03:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[14:03:41] <crutchy> i just added a token to my own account
[14:04:00] <crutchy> but yeah a separate account might be better
[14:04:54] <crutchy> you know about the github spy channel i'm guessing?
[14:06:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, don't use it cause i get email notifications of that but i know it's there.
[14:06:08] <crutchy> ah
[14:06:35] <crutchy> there's a bit of scope for stuff in that area i reckon
[14:06:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... might could use Net::Github to take care of most of the heavy lifting.
[14:07:05] <crutchy> specially for a nerd community
[14:07:54] <crutchy> there's also room for more games (that require more than doing nothing)
[14:08:26] <crutchy> the other thing would be really cool is collaborative coding tools
[14:09:05] <crutchy> not sure whether a web thing might be better, but i reckon an irc thing would work too
[14:10:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, dependency hell for Net::Github
[14:10:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> might have to roll my own
[14:10:50] <crutchy> found this one in suggestions too:
[14:10:51] <crutchy> incoming tweet feed for irc ~ crutchy @ 21:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
[14:11:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> tweet feed comes from bender who already announces everything he posts to twitter
[14:11:55] <crutchy> ~suggest-api submission feed to an irc channel, and ability to meta-mod from irc
[14:12:02] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[14:12:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't have meta-mod capability in the regular site, how we gonna have it in the api?
[14:12:43] <crutchy> just for future ref :)
[14:12:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[14:13:24] <crutchy> would be good if a story title popped out in irc and if it was spam you could easy go ~spam-last
[14:13:28] <crutchy> or something like that
[14:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like cpan will install Net::GitHub where the aur package won't
[14:16:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> mean subs?
[14:18:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd have to make it editor specific and i don't wanna keep up an up to date list
[14:20:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, think i can do an issues reporting thing proper like. no scraping required.
[14:24:50] <crutchy> github api is pretty simple
[14:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> not directly using the api, someone done wrote a perl module for it.
[14:27:26] <crutchy> cool
[14:27:48] <crutchy> so you could just include that in TheMightyBot?
[14:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oauth is always a pain in my ass though
[14:28:13] <crutchy> just use token
[14:28:21] <crutchy> easy peasy
[14:28:59] <crutchy> haven't got it all working but i figured out the auth for the feed
[14:29:26] <crutchy> something like this: https://github.com
[14:29:27] <|> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/github_feed.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[14:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i got it figured out cept i can't find a list of the scopes i need to post issues
[14:33:32] <crutchy> this is functional if it helps any: https://github.com
[14:33:32] <|> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/github_feed.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[14:34:00] <crutchy> only posts a test issue in my own repo
[14:34:41] <crutchy> i generally open the uri in the browser to look at the structure. dunno what you mean by 'scope'
[14:34:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go, found a scopes list
[14:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://developer.github.com
[14:35:07] <|> ^ 03OAuth | GitHub API
[14:35:55] <crutchy> hmm. i thought you did that in github when you generate the token?
[14:36:09] <crutchy> oh you using oauth
[14:36:13] <crutchy> not sure about that
[14:36:47] <crutchy> anyways, 1.30am. gotta get up in a few hours
[14:36:59] <crutchy> cya later. haf fun
[14:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not generating a token over github web. need a callback url for that
[14:37:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. nite
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[15:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩say #soylent hello, TheMightyBot
[15:25:10] <TheMightyBot> hello, TheMightyBot
[15:25:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> muhahaha! poop as his prefix
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[16:29:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go. all done
[16:39:28] <nick> moar bots!
[16:42:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Computer Model Provides a New Portrait of Carbon Dioxide - http://sylnt.us - carbon-nation
[16:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩pissoff
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[17:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, mechanicjay
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[17:08:02] <mechanicjay> morning TheMightyBuzzard
[17:16:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> anybody got a suggestion for a Twitter client that runs on Linux and is NOT bitlbee?
[17:16:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> choqok
[17:16:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't fantastic but it works better than most of the linux clients.
[17:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's also polly
[17:18:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used to have a working console client but they kept changing the api and eventually broke it
[17:19:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> constantly-changing APIs are the reason that I don't want to roll my own solution
[17:19:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> seems like it would be a major pain in the ass to keep up with
[17:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was fun getting it going the first time but it wasn't quite awesome enough to warrant keeping up with the api, yeah
[17:20:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> polly is a pretty multi-column one, choqok is more basic but has nice filtering
[17:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> facebook is the only api i can really be bothered to keep up with cause i use a command line client i wrote to pull down ONLY the all-text and link posts from my news feed
[17:25:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> makes fb almost bearable
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[17:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> thar we go, using ssl now
[17:38:35] <Leebert> SSL ALL THE THINGS
[17:38:45] <Leebert> unless you TLS them. That's cool too.
[17:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i honestly dunno or much care which we're using
[17:40:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like tls1/ssl3 for the server
[17:40:41] <Leebert> you're using "outrun the next slowest guy" encryption.
[17:44:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll get juggs to set me up a hostmask for him after he's done with his nap
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[17:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, JamesNZ, Bytram
[17:45:48] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[17:46:10] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'day!
[17:46:11] <nick> Bytram++
[17:46:11] <Bender> karma - bytram: 25
[17:46:12] <Bytram> coffee++
[17:46:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[17:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya...
[17:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[17:46:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[17:46:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i missed one for a cup earlier
[17:46:28] <Bytram> !uid
[17:46:28] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4882, owned by CalmoSoft
[17:47:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I gots a present for ya: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:47:21] <|> ^ 03SN (dev) article:  Testing Factors for Character Entity and UTF-8 fixes 
[17:47:23] <mechanicjay> ran off bus right to meeting -- no coffee yet this morning
[17:47:29] <mechanicjay> meeting--
[17:47:29] <Bender> karma - meeting: -1
[17:47:32] <Bytram> mechanicjay++
[17:47:32] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 12
[17:47:49] <JamesNZ> Morning TheMightyBuzzard :)
[17:47:55] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[17:47:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[17:47:55] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[17:47:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[17:47:56] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[17:47:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[17:48:16] <Bytram> JamesNZ-- =)
[17:48:16] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -20
[17:48:23] <Bytram> coffee++
[17:48:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[17:48:28] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # Retaliation!
[17:48:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[17:48:29] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[17:48:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[17:48:38] <Bytram> lol
[17:49:42] <Bytram> here's an interesting story I just stumbled on this morning: http://www.zdnet.com
[17:49:43] <|> ^ 03What do you get from a $199 PC? More than you might expect | ZDNet
[17:59:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #karma spam
[17:59:24] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -21
[17:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #karma spam
[17:59:25] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -22
[17:59:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #karma spam
[17:59:26] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -23
[17:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #karma spam
[17:59:27] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -24
[17:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #karma spam
[17:59:28] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -25
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[18:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, there is no way i am going through that entire list of permutations
[18:03:37] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:03:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[18:03:38] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:03:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 928
[18:03:39] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:03:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 927
[18:03:40] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:03:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 926
[18:03:40] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:03:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 925
[18:03:42] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:03:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 924
[18:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> .quiet JamesNZ don't do it again
[18:04:05] * JamesNZ wonders when he'll overtake poutine
[18:04:06] * TheMightyBuzzard frowns
[18:04:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: didn't think you would, but while I was at it, I thought I better document everything I could find.
[18:04:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> .quiet JamesNZ
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[18:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> one is fine, two is pushing it, three is spam.
[18:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> .unquiet JamesNZ
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[18:05:40] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: Understood.
[18:05:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> goes for everyone, me included
[18:06:07] * JamesNZ nods sagely, "uh huh"
[18:06:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you are a breakin shat wild man who would use up all the disk space on dev trying every possible permutation if you could figure out how
[18:09:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, i forgot to touch polls
[18:09:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and now i don't feel like it
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[18:11:30] <Bytram> the other main surprises I found had to do with: search results, print icon on stories, NNTP (usenet), and user's comments/submissions page(s)
[18:17:15] <chromas> Need a !grab that goes back a couple lines
[18:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩issue TheMightyBuzzard polls still need filters reworked
[18:18:22] <TheMightyBot> Added Issue #382: https://github.com
[18:18:22] <|> ^ 03Issue from TheMightyBuzzard via IRC · Issue #382 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[18:19:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩issue Bytram remove print icon from stories
[18:19:05] <TheMightyBot> Added Issue #383: https://github.com
[18:19:06] <|> ^ 03Issue from Bytram via IRC · Issue #383 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[18:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, search results...
[18:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh
[18:19:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩issue Bytram search results still need filters reworked
[18:19:52] <TheMightyBot> Added Issue #384: https://github.com
[18:19:53] <|> ^ 03Issue from Bytram via IRC · Issue #384 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[18:20:07] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
[18:20:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> couldn't decide what to use as a prefix since all the good ones were taken
[18:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> put it in as a variable in case i decide it's too much trouble to put in regularly though
[18:23:00] * Bytram goes to load github in browser to look at these
[18:24:25] <Bytram> hayyyy! I did not say to *remove* the print icon; I was just pointing out that it is another place where user-input becomes visible to the user.
[18:24:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, pj said that and you reminded me
[18:25:19] <Bytram> oh. Well, okay then.
[18:25:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> need to disable the functionality as well as remove the icon though
[18:26:59] <Bytram> I haven't *tried* the filters on search results or polls,so they *might* just work okay already; again, just a permutation I thought of.
[18:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not like anyone prints anything anymore and if they do they're dealing with an inkjet or laser printer that can handle graphics not a bloody dot matrix.
[18:27:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[18:27:21] <Bytram> I can see that.
[18:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> not like we've got a punch the monkey banner that's going to hog up lots of space either.
[18:28:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:28:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i may need to bust out gimp to get some color codes and build our very own omgpwnies theme
[18:29:11] <mechanicjay> TheMightyBuzzard: speak for your self! 24 pin color dot-matrix FTW -- so actually can handle graphics and shit too ;)
[18:30:12] * Bytram likes lilacs and violets and purples
[18:31:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> hardest part is the site graphics cause i don't have the high-res originals
[18:31:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Coal Plants Get New Lease on Life with Natural Gas - http://sylnt.us - do-coal-plants-come-from-coal-seeds?
[18:31:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: if you *are* serious about that, might be able to use the internet archive and scavenge color codes from that April 1st way back when.
[18:31:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://i3.minus.com
[18:31:52] <CoolHand> print icon is good for "print to file" to save page in a friendlier format...
[18:32:02] <Bytram> true.
[18:32:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> CoolHand, our printer friendly format looks like complete ass
[18:32:41] <CoolHand> TheMightyBuzzard: maybe that should be fixed then instead of removing icon? ;)
[18:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> pondered it but neither me nor pj wanna waste dev time on such an unused feature
[18:33:18] <CoolHand> FWIW.. I'm just a peon subscriber
[18:33:19] <CoolHand> :)
[18:34:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna make the template into something that doesn't suck though, rock on with your bad self.
[18:34:38] <CoolHand> hehe, not THAT important to me.. got other irons in the fire. :)
[18:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> same boat as the rest of us then
[18:35:01] * Bytram searches and finds - OMG Ponies - Slashdot - April 1st, 2006
[18:35:46] <Bytram> this looks like the story: http://slashdot.org
[18:35:47] <|> ^ 03Slashdot Design Changes for Wider Appeal - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[18:36:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly, i linked a screenshot up earlier though so i got the color codes if i wanna pull em out
[18:37:14] <Bytram> kewel.
[18:39:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> not feelin the mojo enough to even monkey with a new theme though.
[18:40:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll do it tomorrow unless i get a second wind or something
[18:40:50] <Bytram> I understand.
[18:44:01] <Bytram> fwiw, it looks like this is an archived copy (which I am downloading now): http://toastytech.com
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[19:05:10] <Bytram> watch out as the file has imbedded .js files which, being local, might execute on your system... look for the screen caps, instead
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[19:20:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spooky Alignment of Quasars Across Billions of Light-Years - http://sylnt.us - careful-where-you-point-those-things
[19:25:36] * juggs yawns back into existence
[19:26:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nap?
[19:30:49] <juggs> not really - barely a light doze at best - mind wouldn't shut up :/
[19:32:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[19:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hate it when that happens
[19:33:26] <juggs> ~shrug~ guess I'll sleep well later
[19:35:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: question for ya... when editing a story submission, do you have any idea what the "Media" text entry field is for or how to use it?
[19:35:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> got bot nonsense all done
[19:36:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, not a clue
[19:36:39] <Bytram> yeh, me neither. I tried putting in some text, but nothing seemed to appear when I previewed.
[19:36:40] <juggs> good stuff - always nice to get something done and dusted in one sitting :)
[19:36:56] <Bytram> btw, "bot nonsense"?? what's that?
[19:37:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost done with a pwnies theme
[19:38:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, the adding issues from irc thing
[19:39:07] <Bytram> is that something that crutchy came up with to submit comments from irc?
[19:40:08] <Bytram> I'm speechless on pwnies theme -- kind of a perverse interest in seeing what it looks like, and wondering just who would even opt to use it as their default theme!
[19:41:01] <juggs> it will be forced upon us all one fine day :D
[19:41:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nah, i wrote that this morning
[19:41:28] <Bytram> what does it do?
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[19:41:52] <crutchy> Bytram, same kind of people who buy a rice cooker like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk
[19:41:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, just submits an issue from irc instead of having to jump out to the issues page
[19:42:38] <crutchy> oh, btw
[19:42:41] <crutchy> coffee++
[19:42:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 925
[19:42:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net log in and switch your theme to OMG PWNIES to check it out
[19:42:48] <crutchy> ~gday Bytram
[19:42:49] * exec suspiciously tosses a pair of used panties full of spew to Bytram
[19:42:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, crutchy
[19:43:14] <Bytram> oh! Now I get it... I was wondering who was TheMightyBot (that keeps autocompleting instead of TheMightyBuzzard)
[19:43:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> or evenin or whatever it is. i can't keep track
[19:43:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, dis bot
[19:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis
[19:43:38] <juggs> ~time crutchy
[19:43:40] <exec> Friday, 21 November 2014 @ 6:43 am GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[19:43:50] <juggs> coffee++++++
[19:43:57] <Bytram> crutchy: gday
[19:43:59] <crutchy> all my bot craziness is slave to executor
[19:44:02] <Bytram> http://store.hp.com
[19:44:36] <crutchy> ew hp
[19:45:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩issue TheMightyBuzzard figure out how to inflict the pwnies theme on everyone without losing their old theme setting
[19:45:57] <TheMightyBot> Added Issue #385: https://github.com
[19:46:18] <crutchy> looks like TheMightyBotzorg has been getting some lovin
[19:46:18] <Bytram> crutchy: say what you will, but I'm typing this using a 9+ year old HP laptop with a broken screen and a dead battery that I plug in to keep it powered, and it has not yet died on me.
[19:46:30] <crutchy> cool
[19:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, yes, i did indeed use poop as his new prefix
[19:46:57] <juggs> uch - now I need a font that is both mono and understands the full gamut of utf-8
[19:46:58] <Bytram> hmmm, I just see a square block with 4 zeroes in it, one in each corner
[19:47:12] <crutchy> i gots a toshiba tecra a2 that's 2004 vintage that my kids still use (dumped winxp for debian ofc)
[19:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, somethin wrong with your client or font then
[19:47:52] <Bytram> asfar as I know, I'm using HexChat with "CSUR Unifont"
[19:47:58] <crutchy> Bytram, TheMightyBot, mee too
[19:48:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[19:48:59] <crutchy> juggs, time to invent one! sans-juggs
[19:49:16] <crutchy> s/sans/mono/
[19:49:17] <exec> <crutchy> juggs, time to invent one! mono-juggs
[19:49:31] <paulej72> as for printing, that can all be done in css, no need for a special pirint page
[19:49:40] <crutchy> exec, s/juggs/doh/
[19:49:41] <exec> <crutchy> <exec> <crutchy> doh, time to invent one! mono-juggs
[19:49:47] <crutchy> wtf
[19:49:53] <Bytram> yep: Language: English; Main font: Unifont CSUR 14
[19:49:54] <crutchy> i meant mono-doh
[19:50:16] * Leebert sits back and awaits the next Score: -1 (Disagree)
[19:50:40] <Leebert> Talking about God on Soylent is worse than /., which is really saying something.
[19:51:00] <paulej72> -1 (You are an Asshole) ?
[19:51:07] <Bytram> alternative fonts: Arial Unicode MS,Lucida Sans Unicode,MS Gothic,Unifont
[19:51:18] <crutchy> i'm not religiousm but i'm also not athiest
[19:51:39] <Leebert> paulej72: Me? I'd love to see an example of where I've been an asshole on Soylent.
[19:51:40] <crutchy> how the hell do i know if there's no gawd?
[19:51:41] <ciri> how how brown cow
[19:52:11] <paulej72> no i meant new moderation choice
[19:52:12] <Leebert> I made a conscious choice to be as "assume good faith" and "don't get angry" on Soylent as I could.
[19:52:17] <Leebert> Oh, gotcha. :)
[19:52:35] <Leebert> you had me worried, I was like: "Geez, I'm even TRYING this time to be nice!" :)
[19:53:14] <Bytram> paulej72: fyi, the spam bots have some things on dev -- I've flagged 'em for you.
[19:53:21] <crutchy> Leebert, you must have got off on the wrong exit dude. SN is the systemd battleground... leave all decency and good faith at the door before you enter :p
[19:53:35] <Leebert> Well, this is true.
[19:54:29] <Leebert> My last comment that had a religious context had to do with homosexuality, which I suppose I must concede was replied to nicely by one person and mostly nicely by another.
[19:54:33] <Bytram> paulej72: oops; forgot to mention they are in the story submission queue
[19:54:51] <Leebert> I really would like some time to talk to someone who believes firmly in the "assigned gender identity" thing.
[19:54:56] <paulej72> aqew d1 KOLP
[19:55:12] <Leebert> I, for the life of me, cannot understand the argument for that. And I really would like to.
[19:55:46] <crutchy> is that this thing that the matrix gives us when we're first plugged in?
[19:56:11] <chromas> variables are assigned to
[19:56:53] <paulej72> sometime I wonder what it would be like to be a woman, a hot sexy one, not a female version of myself
[19:57:25] <crutchy> i firmly believe that people should have the right to their own life and do whatever they like (except no stealing or murder n shit)
[19:57:42] <paulej72> Bytram: in dev we cn just kill thoes subs
[19:57:49] <crutchy> libertarianism++
[19:57:49] <Bender> karma - libertarianism: 1
[19:57:54] <paulej72> 1`Q21IO0GVLP;[]'\
[19:57:55] <paulej72> "]=LP-;.'/
[19:57:56] <paulej72> ]\][;PL,
[19:57:57] <paulej72> \][LOPSZWIJ
[19:58:01] <chromas> ism--
[19:58:01] <Bender> karma - ism: -1
[19:58:20] <paulej72> Bytram: jism++
[19:58:33] <paulej72> that is not waht I wanted
[19:58:34] <Bytram> paulej72: I was aware that you put in filters of some kind to deal with it on the main site, so i wanted to check with you to see if you wanted to do the same on dev.
[19:58:43] <crutchy> ~get cow/talk
[19:58:44] <exec> 06goat/cow/talk = https://www.youtube.com
[19:58:48] <paulej72> too much work
[19:59:05] <Bytram> paulej72: okee dokee; I'll start deleting them.
[19:59:18] <Leebert> crutchy: I don't argue that, up until it affects someone else's rights.
[19:59:31] <crutchy> paulej72 reminded me of that youtube with the jibberish :D
[19:59:37] <paulej72> if anyone can guess what my strnage text means, you will wiin an internet
[19:59:39] <Leebert> You want to pretend to be a woman? Go for it, man. err.. woman. whatever.
[19:59:48] <paulej72> hgvtgfvcdddrr
[19:59:52] <crutchy> paulej72, is it cowtalk?
[20:00:16] <paulej72> nope, cleaning off the late lunch off of my keyboard
[20:00:42] <paulej72> Leebert: :)
[20:00:44] <Bytram> lol! Was starting to look like ansi control characters for color coding
[20:00:59] <crutchy> ahh, the ol' cleaning lunch off the kb trick. even better than using a shoephone to communicate
[20:01:11] <Bytram> dev story submission spam has been deleted.
[20:01:26] * crutchy whistles nonchalantly
[20:02:23] * juggs gives up trying to get TMB's poops to display
[20:10:38] <juggs> hmm... the coal plants sub from Hugh Pickens also appears verbatim on Papas Fritas latest journal
[20:10:49] <Bytram> yep; same "person"
[20:10:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> you no can see a 💩
[20:11:22] <juggs> I see 01F above 4A9 :D
[20:11:29] <Bytram> I see: "you no can see a *" where the "*" is a square box with a zero in each of the four corners
[20:11:59] <juggs> what font ya using over there TMB?
[20:12:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ok, you're seeing the right number at least
[20:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i have no idea what your deal is
[20:12:37] <juggs> just need a font with the poopie glyph I guess
[20:12:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[20:13:00] <Bytram> hmmmm, brb
[20:13:17] <Leebert> poopie glyph sounds like much more fun than a polygraph.
[20:13:57] <Bytram> aha!
[20:14:57] <Bytram> I added "Unifont Upper CSUR" in front of the list of all other fonts on HexChat / Settings / Chatting / Advanced / Advanced Settings - Alternative fonts:
[20:15:01] <Bytram> and I can see it, now.
[20:15:26] <Bytram> juggs: ^^^
[20:16:00] * chromas didn't set up anything; just installed the font
[20:16:04] <juggs> no advanced settings in that location on my version
[20:17:00] <Bytram> ooops; Settings / Preferences / Chatting / Advanced ...
[20:18:36] <juggs> ya - no alternative fonts option their. My font options are in Interface / Appearance... mebbe a slight diff between win and linux verions
[20:19:42] <Bytram> juggs: could be; I'm on windows... let me check version information
[20:19:57] <Bytram> Version: 2.9.4
[20:19:57] <Bytram> Compiled: Nov 11 2012
[20:19:57] <Bytram> Portable Mode: No
[20:19:57] <Bytram> Build Type: x86
[20:19:57] <Bytram> OS: Windows XP
[20:19:58] <Bytram> Charset: CP1252
[20:20:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: idea - just change the theme for non-subscribers =)
[20:20:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux Owns Supercomputer Market - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-the-supercomputer-on-the-desktop
[20:21:24] <Bytram> then make it a subscriber-only option to change the theme.
[20:21:59] <chromas> Bytram: can you see the poo glyph in other programs on Windows?
[20:22:27] <Bytram> chromas: good question. lemme see.
[20:22:47] * Bytram copies a glyph
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[20:31:19] * TheMightyBuzzard has spread da ebil
[20:37:02] <juggs> blergh - used font manager to check - I currently have no font installed that will display 💩
[20:37:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna see the new theme, log in on dev.soylentnews.org
[20:40:24] <paulej72> juggs: you can download the Unifont ones for free, you just need to get both the upper and lower ones.
[20:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> isn't a pretty font but it is a very complete one
[20:42:46] <juggs> hmm - I have ttf-unifont and xfonts-unifont packages already installed - shouldn't that cover it?
[20:42:59] <Bytram> chromas: haven't forgotten you but got sidetracked. emacs didn't know what to show me, but I expected that; looked fine in a browser (once I specified a font in the css which contained the glyph)
[20:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, gotta have the upper as well
[20:43:58] <Bytram> juggs: ^^ exactly!
[20:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> also gotta have your font set to unifont
[20:44:02] <Bytram> let me find you a link
[20:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> like in your irc client
[20:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, he's gonna wanna do it through package manager
[20:44:44] <Bytram> oh. nvm
[20:44:55] <juggs> nah I can drop them into ~/.fonts ow w/e
[20:46:03] <chromas> I don't seem to have unifont installed; not sure which font is giving me the 💩
[20:46:21] * chromas wonders if there's a way to tell
[20:46:27] <juggs> what client?
[20:46:37] <chromas> it works everywhere
[20:46:45] <paulej72> I have a mac so it has really cute pile of poo with a smiley face
[20:47:12] <juggs> ha
[20:48:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima work on a vt100 terminal theme for the next release next time i get bored
[20:48:40] <chromas> it needs a modified logo with a blinken cursor
[20:48:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: which fonts are we using for SN?
[20:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, hell if i know
[20:49:01] <Bytram> lol
[20:49:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like veranda by default
[20:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> font-family: Verdana,Geneva,"Bitstream Vera Sans","DejaVu Sans",sans-serif
[20:50:47] * Bytram wonders which one of those has the pile-of-poo glyph.
[20:50:56] <paulej72> chromas: an acscii art one
[20:51:26] <chromas> if they have javascript enabled, make it teletype the whole thing onto the screen
[20:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, something monospace for certain
[20:51:52] <Bytram> THAT's weird; I see a poo pic in the comment *title* but not in the comment *text* after cut-n-paste the same thing and a preview
[20:52:00] <paulej72> set the whole site to monospace
[20:52:06] * crutchy is so gunna use pwnies theme when it goes live
[20:52:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> goes without saying, yep
[20:52:12] <Bytram> paulej72: yup, and 24pt, too!@
[20:52:17] <paulej72> it will be an instan hit for Arik
[20:52:31] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[20:52:55] <Bytram> ^^^ I see a poo pic in the title for that link, but not in the comment body.
[20:52:56] * chromas sees poo in both places
[20:52:59] <paulej72> I see both
[20:53:00] <chromas> number one and number two
[20:53:11] * Bytram offers chromas a tissue
[20:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> same font family for both
[20:53:28] <Bytram> afk brb
[20:53:30] <crutchy> wholly carp Bytram you been busy on dev
[20:53:39] <Bytram> crutchy: ayuh.
[20:53:46] <chromas> although to be fair, each poo is a little different
[20:53:52] <chromas> I must have more than one poo font
[20:54:10] <crutchy> do we have a Department of Unit Testing yet?
[20:54:42] <chromas> crutchy: yes; you!
[20:54:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, i test my unit regularly
[20:54:54] * chromas shakes crutchy's unit
[20:54:55] <paulej72> crutchy: it is at different sizes so it may be rendered differntly
[20:55:21] * crutchy 's unit is the international standard reference and doesn't need testing :D
[20:55:26] <chromas> oh yeah, and the title one is in bold
[20:56:21] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i hope your SO is NATA accredited and is calibrated regularly
[20:56:24] <paulej72> bold pile of poo
[20:56:29] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to see if there's any halloween candy left
[20:57:06] <chromas> to boldly 💩 where nobody has made that joke before
[20:57:07] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:57:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 926
[20:57:17] <paulej72> captin’s log
[20:57:21] <crutchy> zomg i'm not running late :D
[20:57:41] <chromas> crutchy: you will, once you realize you have to stop and 💩
[20:59:02] <crutchy> chromas, did you see my new toy in the spy channel?
[20:59:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:59:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 927
[20:59:27] <Bytram> what we need is some kind of automated testing framework that can handle our site
[20:59:34] <Bytram> brb dinner
[20:59:34] <ciri> me too, smoke time! Bytram
[20:59:54] <paulej72> a million monkeys
[21:00:13] <crutchy> Bytram, yeah that's what i was thinkin. need a slash testing bot!
[21:00:32] <chromas> crutchy: didn't notice it
[21:00:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd never be able to manually test anything on dev again if we did that
[21:00:53] <Bytram> in prior jopbs, I've written a permutation generator...
[21:01:00] <crutchy> https://github.com
[21:01:30] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, waterfall--
[21:01:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> subscribe to any notifications of any kind and your email inbox would explode or you'd have 65535 new messages every time you logged in
[21:01:45] <crutchy> no point aiming to test everything from the outset
[21:02:04] <crutchy> even if we just have some little tests for new stuff
[21:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you'd STILL have to review it manually to know if the unit test was working
[21:02:06] <|> ^ 03Wiki: IRCVision ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[21:02:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that might actually be a useful way to validate the tests!
[21:02:12] <|> ^ 03Wiki: IRCVision ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[21:02:22] <chromas> bot--
[21:02:22] <Bender> karma - bot: -1
[21:02:28] <crutchy> testing can be hard
[21:02:38] <chromas> ah, I thought you meant exec worked different in there
[21:02:48] <crutchy> but hard testing makes for easier dev/debugging
[21:02:50] <Bytram> if it were easy, we'd not see so many bugs in code
[21:02:59] <paulej72> just push it out, let the lusers be the testers
[21:03:04] <crutchy> ~tests
[21:03:12] <exec> all tests passed!
[21:03:20] <Bytram> hmmm
[21:03:24] <crutchy> ahh so satisfying!
[21:03:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, touching on the ranges of input/output combinations we allow for would essentially make it impossible to verify any test worked.
[21:04:04] <crutchy> exec's testing script only tests some bucket stuff, but i guess better to make a small start than none at all
[21:04:16] <crutchy> hmm yeah i dunno tmb
[21:04:22] <crutchy> i'm not the expert on testing
[21:04:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> just getting every unicode character, entity, numeric encode, and hex encode into a story title would take a gerjillion posts on dev
[21:04:44] <Bytram> huh! I see no poo pic in normal font on dev, but I *do* see it when it is *bold*
[21:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you broke dev again!
[21:05:06] <crutchy> you'd prolly want to incorporate a test for creating and deleting a sub in the same test as the unicode stuff
[21:05:12] <crutchy> that's what i did for exec
[21:05:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that's why choosing a *selection* from each category is important - need heuristics
[21:05:29] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we should use comic sans as the default font on OMG PWNIES
[21:05:32] <crutchy> combined testing creating/deleting buckets with saving/loading
[21:05:36] <Bytram> ^^^
[21:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yes, yes we should
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[21:05:54] <Bytram> comic has no poo :(
[21:06:09] <crutchy> ¿
[21:06:09] <chromas> where'd that come from?
[21:06:27] <crutchy> poo isn't funny
[21:06:33] <crutchy> it's serious business :p
[21:06:39] <chromas> shit the bot's still going
[21:06:39] <ciri> ok who left the pile of shit in the channel?
[21:07:01] <chromas> oh yeah and it's in tmux so I can't scroll up :(
[21:07:06] <crutchy> is | probing slash for weaknesses?
[21:07:14] <paulej72> !grab ciri
[21:07:14] <Bender> Added quote 274
[21:07:21] <crutchy> lol
[21:07:25] <Bytram> !quote 274
[21:07:25] <Bender> Quote 274 - <ciri> ok who left the pile of shit in the channel?
[21:07:29] <chromas> it just suddenly started grabbing a pile of links over and over
[21:07:35] <crutchy> ciri drops a few good ones in #
[21:07:42] <crutchy> i think ciri is the most grabbed there
[21:07:58] <crutchy> chromas... rename it skynet
[21:08:17] <chromas> already taken by a soyvice bot
[21:08:22] <paulej72> I think skynet is reserved
[21:08:36] <chromas> skyctl
[21:08:37] <Bytram> paulej72: TheMightyBuzzard: are we running Oracle's MySQL ??
[21:08:48] <crutchy> or SkyNetHal9000systemd
[21:08:53] <chromas> stop
[21:08:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[21:08:59] <chromas> oh, this isn't gdb
[21:09:01] <paulej72> we are running 5.6
[21:09:25] <crutchy> is maria a dropin replacement yet?
[21:09:33] <Bytram> take a look in #rss-bot seems there's some vukns we might want to be aware of
[21:09:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, no
[21:09:55] <paulej72> we were running distro version, but NCommander installed 5.6 to try to get syncing set up
[21:10:04] <crutchy> oracle--
[21:10:04] <Bender> karma - oracle: -2
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[21:11:49] <paulej72> crap
[21:11:55] <Bytram> yup.
[21:13:05] <Bytram> well, maybe not. we run Ubuntu, right?
[21:14:44] <paulej72> server is 5.16.17
[21:15:00] <paulej72> we are running compiled version not distro version
[21:15:47] <Bytram> umm, in english?
[21:16:04] <crutchy> ubuntu-- # cos its like debian with a whole bunch of useless crap covering it
[21:16:04] <Bender> karma - ubuntu: -4
[21:16:39] <crutchy> debian++ # ubuntu without the crap
[21:16:39] <Bender> karma - debian: 43
[21:18:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> debian-- #systemd, nuff said
[21:18:16] <Bender> karma - debian: 42
[21:19:07] <paulej72> client on fluorine is 5.5.38. both versions are above the min requirement for these issues
[21:19:18] <crutchy> meh. sysv aint nothing to shit in the shower about
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[21:19:48] <Bytram> paulej72: so, we're good then?
[21:19:54] <paulej72> Bytram: the mysql server on neon was downloaded and compliled from source and is not the distro specific one
[21:19:59] <paulej72> should be good
[21:20:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:20:05] <Bytram> yay!
[21:20:12] <crutchy> someone should take sysvinit and make it more awesomer so that it can dethrone systemd
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[21:20:46] <crutchy> except 'make it more awesomer' might end up partially resembling systemd anyway :/
[21:20:49] <Bytram> who (or what) is that "|" user that keeps quitting and rejoining?
[21:20:51] <juggs> 💩
[21:20:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> it don't need to be. it's simple; easy to understand n use.
[21:20:54] <paulej72> crutchy: shitting in the shower is only bad if you have one of thoes small drains or one with a grate over it
[21:20:57] <Bytram> crutchy: is that one of your creations?
[21:21:12] <juggs> ffs - working everywhere else except hexchat now pffftt
[21:21:32] <crutchy> bytram, nah it's monopoly with multiple personality disorder :p
[21:21:33] <Bytram> juggs: looked like you pasted the right char.
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[21:21:49] <crutchy> exec is my bot
[21:22:09] <crutchy> have no need for any others :)
[21:22:29] <Bytram> nice to know
[21:22:31] <paulej72> I say we add sysvinit to systemd so we can have the best of both worlds
[21:22:36] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[21:22:55] <juggs> yup it shows as a poop in other apps now - just hexchat being stubborn. I think I borked something in my profile - took nigh on 10 minutes to startup :(
[21:22:59] <crutchy> sysv does the job
[21:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, run systemd as non-pid-1 from sysv and yer gold like that
[21:23:08] <crutchy> but systemd will too when its refined
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[21:23:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I was thinking the other way arround :P
[21:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> you would, you dirty, dirty hipster you
[21:23:51] <crutchy> systemd is currently near the beginning of its bathtub curve
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[21:27:06] <Leebert> I enjoy working from Starbucks and don't at all begrudge other people from doing the same thing, until they jump onto a conference call. On speakerphone.
[21:27:44] <crutchy> do they start with "oh hey btw i'm in a starbucks cos i can't afford an office"?
[21:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd's fine for my desktop boxen but i'll rot in tarkna before i put a new, untested, bound to be buggy PoS on a production server
[21:28:21] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, that's something we can both agree on
[21:28:24] <Leebert> Something like that. :) People love to tell the person on the other end of the phone where they are.
[21:28:25] <crutchy> debian_stable++
[21:28:25] <Bender> karma - debian_stable: 4
[21:29:01] <paulej72> Don’t mind the noise I am at Starbucks
[21:29:02] <Leebert> How many flights end with the plane pulling up to the gate with some numbnuts on their cellphone yelling: "HEY I'M BACK. YEAH, I'M STILL ON THE PLANE."
[21:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Leebert, all of them
[21:30:31] <crutchy> or in a train "i might lose you cos i'm about to go through a tunnel, cos i couldn't have possibly known it was coming and planned my extremely important call to talk shit about my bff around said tunnel"
[21:31:32] <Leebert> Yeah, trains too. Although I have been known to make the tunnel comment.
[21:31:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Could it be the Community Might Actually Want systemd? - http://sylnt.us - or-at-least-not-be-bothered-either-way
[21:31:59] <crutchy> ooh konomi's story!
[21:32:07] <Leebert> Usually when someone calls on the subway and asks if I have a minute. I usually say: "You have about 3 minutes until the subway goes underground. Go."
[21:32:07] <crutchy> let the flames begin :D
[21:32:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> what crutchy said
[21:32:19] <Leebert> Oh, good. I actually have mod points.
[21:32:38] <Leebert> Orrr. Not anymore. Sigh.
[21:33:18] <crutchy> gtg to workipoos. haf fun folks
[21:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, pwnies is going away on dev. moving back to actual work. if you didn't get to see it, tough shit.
[21:33:57] <crutchy> did someone get a screen cap? dammit i closed my browser that has cache set to zero :(
[21:34:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, it's still on my vm and will be out late december early january
[21:34:43] <crutchy> wholly carp i just got a dev.sn with no css at all :/
[21:34:48] <crutchy> anyways better go
[21:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well, it stuck
[21:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll be hornswaggled
[21:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll have a nap now
[21:38:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: old files in slash are not removed by default on a deploy. Stuff like this can hang around a long time
[21:47:35] <juggs> 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
[21:47:52] <juggs> finally - sheesh
[21:48:28] <Bytram> juggs: yay!
[21:49:32] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[21:49:55] <juggs> hexchat was not happy with all my dicking around... became retardly slow to launch. Finally went IT Crowd on it - whaddya know - fixed it right up :D
[21:51:38] <Bytram> "went IT Crowd on it" ??
[21:51:53] <juggs> I tried switching it off and back on again!
[21:52:08] * Bytram is glad you are not my cardiologist!
[21:52:54] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[21:53:06] <Bytram> can anyone confirm what I reported in that comment?
[21:54:16] <juggs> https://www.youtube.com
[21:55:06] <juggs> https://www.youtube.com
[21:55:08] <juggs> xD
[21:55:23] <paulej72> Bytram: i see all of them on my mac
[21:55:25] <chromas> Bytram: all poops visible starboard
[21:55:36] <Bytram> truly strange!
[21:55:56] <Bytram> I'm usingh PaleMoon Version: 24.7.2 (x86) on Windows
[21:55:56] <chromas> Bytram: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[21:58:53] <Bytram> nope; takes about 5 minutes to turn off another 5 turn it back on... not that important at the moment.
[22:00:39] <Bytram> fwiw, my Default font is "Unifont CSUR" and then on the advanced tab, I have: "Fonts for: Western" "Proportional: Serif", "Serif: Unifont CSUR", "Sans-serif: Arial", "Monospace: Courier New" and I also checked "[x] Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of my selections above"
[22:03:20] <juggs> Unifont CSUR Upper looks a lot better to me than Unifont CSUR - that's kinda teletype retro
[22:04:07] <chromas> what about restarting the browser?
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[22:04:44] <chromas> (which may also take awhile since ff/pm still has broken session saving)
[22:05:39] <Bytram> good idea, but rebooting the system would be the easy part; I have a *very slow* link and 20 or so tabs... it'd take another 20 minutes to shut it down (lots of swap space), bring it back up, reload all the pages, and redo all the logins.
[22:05:55] <Bytram> iow, that's a great idea, but not really practicle for me atm.
[22:06:19] <chromas> can you open a second browser instance?
[22:06:36] <Bytram> no.
[22:06:39] <chromas> palemoon -new-instance
[22:08:27] <Bytram> huh! I'll have to remember that! but, I don't see how that would make a difference?
[22:08:39] <Bytram> these are the same settings I've been running with for over a month.
[22:09:16] <chromas> ah, then it probably wouldn't. Sometimes a program needs a restartin' to detect new fonts
[22:09:29] <Bytram> yuppers on that one
[22:12:19] <Bytram> well, time for me to be going...
[22:12:25] <Bytram> have a good day everyone!
[22:12:30] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[22:12:34] <chromas> bye Bytram
[22:13:10] <Bytram|away> chromas: ciao for now!
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[22:47:02] <Konomi> so did anyone try to eat each other when the systemd survey went up?
[23:09:43] <juggs> umm - not sure if it has gone up yet has it?
[23:10:01] * juggs has been a bit distracted
[23:11:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Needs to Bring Schools Into 21st Century says Obama. - http://sylnt.us - reflecting-public-accessibility?
[23:11:14] <Konomi> it did
[23:11:27] <NCommander> anyone alive?
[23:11:42] <juggs> aye NCommander - how's things?
[23:11:48] <NCommander> FInished moving
[23:11:53] * NCommander has an apartment in Rochester, NY now
[23:11:54] <NCommander> ^- Blackmoore
[23:12:17] <juggs> ohh - I thought you were just visiting
[23:12:24] <juggs> congrats on the new pad
[23:12:40] <Konomi> it's an iPad
[23:12:48] <juggs> with wings?
[23:13:00] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[23:13:06] <Konomi> I love the arguements of some people
[23:13:37] <Konomi> it's harder to make a start up script if all you ever used is rc.local but I'll gloss over the fact that init scripts were 80% more work than systemd service files are...
[23:14:06] <juggs> I had only got as far as the coal plants sub... hadn't seen yours yet - will have to FFWD
[23:15:16] <Konomi> also a lot of the comments on the systemd stories have the same structure as those from 4chan
[23:15:23] <Konomi> "Jesus Christ. Are you going to do the right thing and switch to FreeBSD?
[23:15:27] <Konomi> classic example
[23:15:34] <juggs> quelle surprise
[23:15:46] <Konomi> hehe
[23:16:07] <Konomi> you know I really would like a better poll my two main questions would be
[23:16:21] <juggs> I don't grace the (n)chans with my eyeballs so I wouldn't have known
[23:16:25] <Konomi> Have you ever wrote a sysvinit script? Have you ever wrote a systemd service file?
[23:16:35] <Konomi> and just see how many people have actually worked with an init
[23:16:48] <Konomi> cause I have a feeling it would be very few of the the commenters
[23:17:35] <juggs> 1. sort of (does plagiarising and munging it to work for another one count) 2. no
[23:18:42] <Konomi> I slightly plagiarised the default example
[23:18:47] <Konomi> but I had to write a lot of extra code
[23:19:00] <Konomi> because start-stop-daemon doesn't function like the docs say it should
[23:21:22] <Konomi> speically iirc the init script wouldn't launch properly when the package updated
[23:21:30] <juggs> ah, the ebil documentation strikes again
[23:21:33] <Konomi> and sometimes it took 2 stops before it actually stopped...
[23:23:07] <juggs> umagerd... I only got 3 comments in, I have to go grab a beer before going further
[23:23:13] <juggs> .devoice
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[23:26:27] <chromas> (testing) https://soylentnews.org
[23:26:32] <chromas> oh
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[23:26:45] <chromas> thought it were broke again
[23:27:12] * chromas boots up some banana bread
[23:32:12] <Konomi> does anyone remember what the html character ecoding method is called
[23:32:27] <Konomi> aka the stuff that allows you to escape < > I can't find the stupid reference
[23:32:34] <chromas> entities?
[23:32:54] <chromas> &lt;entity&gt;
[23:32:57] <Konomi> that's it
[23:35:32] <juggs> uch mate desktop is pissing me off right now.
[23:35:44] <swiss> gnome classic is bugging me atm
[23:35:54] <swiss> i love gnome3, but this laptop has this freezing issue with gnome3
[23:36:10] <swiss> and i switched to gnome classic about 20 min ago to see if it plays nicer
[23:36:49] <juggs> heh - stick unity on there
[23:37:39] <Konomi> what's it doing juggs?
[23:38:33] <Konomi> urk
[23:38:45] <Konomi> I used my sarcasm tag with html entiries it showed in preview
[23:38:56] <Konomi> then when I went to add some more it apparently vanished when I wasn't looking....
[23:39:13] <chromas> That's a bug I think tmb fixed for the next release
[23:40:01] <Konomi> oh the preview turned them back to < >
[23:40:09] <Konomi> thanks soylent for screwing up my comment ._.
[23:40:25] <swiss> juggs: unity runs okay actually
[23:40:26] <chromas> At least you caught it before posting
[23:40:28] <juggs> dual screen (external connected to lappy - laid out with lappy beneath external) - desktop is primarily on the external. Save file to desktop, it's nowhere to be seen. Seems it's "displaying" the icons somewhere outside the visible area. Occasionally one will appear half hanging of the bottom of the top screen but the lower half absent from the lower.
[23:40:33] <swiss> this laptop was one that ubuntu was an official distro on
[23:40:35] <Konomi> chromas: I didn't catch it
[23:40:38] <Konomi> I went back and retested it
[23:40:42] <chromas> :(
[23:41:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Obama Says US Needs to Bring Schools into 21st Century - http://sylnt.us - reflecting-public-accessibility?
[23:41:45] <Konomi> heh that article
[23:41:48] <juggs> swiss, I ran with it for a good 9 months and once I got the shortcuts down and figured out how to work with it rather than fight it, I actually quite liked it. Then I just got tired of the general blinginess and ditched it when I moved distro
[23:41:53] <chromas> juggs: crutchy was having some sort of issue like that too
[23:41:58] <Konomi> what we see if we're upbeat about it: Kids learning programming shell etc
[23:42:13] <Konomi> what actually happens: Kids playing fucking flappy bird swish swish the iPad screen
[23:42:18] <swiss> juggs: i don't hate unity. It's perfectly usable imo. I just love gnome3
[23:42:43] <Konomi> juggs: you'll find a lot of linux DEs when you add enough screens explode
[23:42:50] <swiss> juggs: little things in unity bug me because they aren't gnome3. I'm sure i'd learn to live with them, but after giving gnome3 a month, and unity a month, i preferred gnome3
[23:42:51] <Konomi> kde has issues at certain reses
[23:42:57] <swiss> unity>gnome2 for me though
[23:43:26] <chromas> I can't get KDE to remember multi-screen settings anymore. It always resets them to clone mode
[23:43:43] <chromas> enlightenment++ #works though
[23:43:43] <Bender> karma - enlightenment: 1
[23:44:19] <juggs> Konomi, chromas - prolly not helping matters having different res screens. It always worked fine with lappy on right of external, not so much with lappy under external.
[23:44:36] <Konomi> I'd say it's mate in this case
[23:44:48] <Konomi> kde is okay with two screens for example at three though it gets a little odd ;p
[23:44:51] <chromas> oh, crutchy's using xfce though
[23:44:52] <Konomi> still works but panels behave weird
[23:45:23] <juggs> No matter, I moved everything off my desktop, filed some shit and put the remainder back at the top of the external and it seems to be behaving.
[23:46:08] <juggs> swiss, horses for courses. It's nice to have the choice
[23:46:44] <swiss> yeah
[23:48:10] <juggs> DE's are another subject I just can't understand the rage-fests about.... just use another one and shut up already ffs, life's too short.
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[23:48:50] <juggs> That 2nd bit wasn;t aimed at you swiss, just the DE rage merchants who ramble on and on about why XDE > YDE ad infinitum
[23:55:38] <Konomi> I think the gnome2 -> gnome3 rage was approriate
[23:55:43] <Konomi> since gnome2 wasn't ever coming back
[23:56:01] <Konomi> it's funny though cause kde had the same thing someone forked kde3 and it's still maintained
[23:56:07] <Konomi> but no one was exploding over it ;p
[23:56:38] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[23:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nap
[23:57:19] * Konomi looks at TheMightyBuzzard
[23:57:26] <Konomi> your code ate my html entities!
[23:57:27] <Konomi> ._.
[23:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72's fault
[23:57:42] <Konomi> oh
[23:57:46] * Konomi changes stare!
[23:57:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i fixed it for next release though
[23:57:52] <Konomi> hehe
[23:58:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, honestly i dunno who made it eat em in comments but it was getting on my tits so i fixed it.
[23:58:36] <chromas> Konomi: you'll be able to it for the next systemd article after the update :)
[23:58:46] <Konomi> ha
[23:58:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and added sarc/sarcasm tags support without typing in entities to boot
[23:59:00] <Konomi> doubt I will get antoehr chance to post anything positive about systemd
[23:59:01] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++
[23:59:01] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 115
[23:59:40] <chromas> Should run a story announcing SN is switching to systemd :D
[23:59:51] <Konomi> in a year it won't matter all distros will have switched all the people who got their undies in enouigh of a twist will have gone to bsd (they will probably fit in better there anyway) and everyone else will just be using the distros they always have