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[00:12:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Time to drink.
[00:13:32] <Ethanol-fueled> if I start drinking at the same time I start Prince' monumental performance "Sign O' The Times", I am heavily buzzed right at the intro of "Hot Thang"
[00:13:52] <Ethanol-fueled> And that's a good song to start being drunk, because Prince himself plays this bitchin' organ solo
[00:14:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Not to mention that the stage lighting is a lot darker in that song.
[00:14:28] <Ethanol-fueled> It's like, symbolic of things going darker in your brain because you are buzzed.
[00:15:28] <SirFinkus> I always like shit like Monster Magnet
[00:15:37] <SirFinkus> best drunk music
[00:16:00] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[00:16:01] <NetCraft> ^ 03Dr. Dre - The Message (Instrumental) - YouTube
[00:16:17] <crutchy> prolly more high music than drunk though
[00:16:25] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:16:26] <NetCraft> ^ 03Monster Magnet - Wall of Fire - YouTube
[00:17:07] <crutchy> eck. i'm not into garage bands
[00:17:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Worst Dre Ever, Crutchy
[00:17:25] <SirFinkus> never really got the whole thing about pot making music awesome, booze is much better
[00:17:43] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, Finkus
[00:18:36] <paulej72> shrooms make music better
[00:18:38] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, are you a techno dude?
[00:18:46] <crutchy> or this https://www.youtube.com
[00:18:47] <NetCraft> ^ 03Dr. Dre - Deep Cover [Instrumental] - YouTube
[00:18:52] <SirFinkus> meh, I can never concentrate on music enough on shrooms
[00:19:00] <Ethanol-fueled> ditto
[00:19:01] <crutchy> i like a bit of everything
[00:19:16] <SirFinkus> I'd much rather look at shit than listen to music
[00:20:15] <paulej72> I know there are shit fetishes, but looking at it is not one I was aware of
[00:20:22] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha
[00:20:56] <crutchy> paulej72, you need to move to germany :p
[00:20:57] <Ethanol-fueled> you don't admire your hard work with regard to that, pauley?
[00:20:59] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah
[00:21:09] <SirFinkus> well, to be fair, pretty much everything looks pretty neat in that state
[00:21:38] <crutchy> japanese are also into some pretty fucked up shit (literally)
[00:21:39] <paulej72> I glance and a small admiration fo a longish one, but I don’t stare at it all day
[00:21:59] <Ethanol-fueled> I call those "snakelings" pauley
[00:22:00] <SirFinkus> buttfeel is much more important than what it looks like
[00:22:41] <SirFinkus> smell can also be a bragging point
[00:22:45] <Ethanol-fueled> and if you don't chew those peanuts enough, they will feel like the rear-end equivalent of a kidney stone
[00:22:46] <crutchy> this could go downhill real quick
[00:22:49] <SirFinkus> stout shits are the best/worst
[00:23:16] <Ethanol-fueled> http://images.medicinenet.com
[00:23:18] <SirFinkus> if you eat a bunch of chex mix and wash it down with 3-4 stouts, you're in for some smelly shits
[00:23:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Guinness turns yours black for a week.
[00:23:54] <paulej72> what is the real connundrum is when you are sure you just dumped a mile long one and when you look in there is nothing there.
[00:24:00] <SirFinkus> but why would you drink guinness?
[00:24:15] <crutchy> paulej72, maybe it flushed itself
[00:24:16] <Ethanol-fueled> that's a pretty deep question, pauley -- an unsolved mystery.
[00:24:39] <crutchy> 'we got a live one!'
[00:24:39] <Ethanol-fueled> pellets like to hide though
[00:25:01] <SirFinkus> the worst part is when the consistency is just right
[00:25:11] <SirFinkus> and wiping is like trying to get peanut butter out of a shag carpet
[00:25:21] <crutchy> dayam dude
[00:25:30] <Ethanol-fueled> finkus, my favorte consistency is rock-hard and knurled. Anything else is just nasty.
[00:25:37] <paulej72> one day I had semi solid shit and when I looked in there was a shit rose stuck to the back of the bowl
[00:25:47] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, hopefully not pounded into shape
[00:25:49] <SirFinkus> yeah, I hate those stealth ones though
[00:25:58] <SirFinkus> they start out like that, but the tail end is peanut butter
[00:26:28] <SirFinkus> you begin with the satisfaction of having a great shit, only to have your hopes dashed
[00:26:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Or when you make a pile so oily that even the flush doesn't take care of it, but just moves it a centimeter further down south.
[00:26:52] <paulej72> or you get the ones that no matter how much you wipe there is still shit on the paper
[00:26:59] <Ethanol-fueled> I hate those, pauley.
[00:27:00] <SirFinkus> those are called shower shits
[00:27:15] <crutchy> ^
[00:27:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, but if you're stuck dealing with one then you're gonna have the itchy-ass all day.
[00:27:41] <SirFinkus> I've trained myself to only shit at home, just in case
[00:28:05] <SirFinkus> although I'd rather shit on company time
[00:28:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, mine are once a day around 3pm.
[00:28:16] <crutchy> better to get paid to shit
[00:28:30] <paulej72> i try to shit then shower to get myself real clean, but that is not alwasys an option
[00:28:36] <SirFinkus> ~
[00:28:37] <exec> http://sylnt.us
[00:28:38] <SirFinkus> ^
[00:28:46] <Ethanol-fueled> ditto that, pauley. That's the ideal case.
[00:28:47] <crutchy> shitbot
[00:28:57] <SirFinkus> no risk of tagnuts
[00:29:12] <Ethanol-fueled> There was a local guy who actually calculated how much he was making per year while taking shits at work
[00:29:18] <crutchy> hmm might make that a notice
[00:29:21] <juggs> wth did I just read :/
[00:29:21] <Ethanol-fueled> The figure for him was like $4000 or something
[00:29:34] <paulej72> I was wating for juggs to show up
[00:29:38] <crutchy> its an irc documentary juggs
[00:29:53] <juggs> been here a while paulej72 - just lurking and doin other stuff
[00:29:57] <SirFinkus> I should start keeping track using the bristol stool scale
[00:29:58] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs has to be here to kick me when I start blathering about filthy sods and posting GG Allin videos
[00:29:59] <crutchy> might make a good weekend submisssion
[00:30:34] <crutchy> 'The latest from the deep dark corners of #Soylent'
[00:30:46] <crutchy> maybe a weekly thing
[00:30:47] <paulej72> I have access to a bookfield viscometer that I could use for characterization
[00:31:07] <SirFinkus> well, what are you waiting for?
[00:31:09] <paulej72> speeking of weekly things, my aunt only shits weekly
[00:31:18] <SirFinkus> is she on painkillers?
[00:31:24] <paulej72> nope
[00:31:32] <SirFinkus> I've heard opiate shits are the worst
[00:31:34] <paulej72> she is strange
[00:31:45] <paulej72> luckily I am not related by blood :)
[00:31:49] <SirFinkus> also: how do you know this?
[00:32:08] <paulej72> my faimily talks about shit all the time
[00:32:08] <crutchy> related by shits?
[00:32:20] <crutchy> talking_shit++
[00:32:20] <Bender> karma - talking_shit: 1
[00:32:29] <crutchy> mr_hanky++
[00:32:29] <Bender> karma - mr_hanky: 1
[00:33:07] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[00:33:07] <NetCraft> ^ 03Dru Down - "Talkin' Shit" - YouTube
[00:34:15] <Ethanol-fueled> "East Oakland Rap Legend"
[00:34:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Do ho hoooooo!
[00:34:55] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:34:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03Fly Young Red - Throw That Boy Pussy Video - YouTube
[00:34:59] <SirFinkus> because why not?
[00:35:21] <crutchy> why does heat rise but everything else fall?
[00:35:36] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[00:35:39] <juggs> Looks like El Reg is having a their buck feta turn over their redesign :D
[00:35:39] <crutchy> convection is weird
[00:35:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Goddamn that's hillarious
[00:35:59] <Ethanol-fueled> it's funnier than Fag*ot Bruce
[00:36:03] <SirFinkus> you heard of gansta fag Ethanol-fueled ?
[00:36:05] <paulej72> the Reg redisign is at last usable unlike beta.
[00:36:28] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
[00:36:29] <paulej72> Some of us are still pissed abotu the last Reg redesign.
[00:36:38] <juggs> yeh - it's not too bad. Big images on the articles are a bit annoyinh
[00:36:40] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:36:40] <NetCraft> ^ 03Gangsta Fag - The Faggots - YouTube
[00:37:08] <paulej72> juggs: I think they may fix that based on reader feedback.
[00:37:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, yup -- he's the typical Raider fan allright
[00:37:32] <juggs> I have contributed to that feedback :D
[00:37:38] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAHHA
[00:37:47] <Ethanol-fueled> How did you find this shit, man?
[00:37:47] <ciri> how how brown cow
[00:37:53] <paulej72> I was too lazy to log in to cooment
[00:37:53] <juggs> 3
[00:37:55] <ciri> 4
[00:37:56] <ciri> 5
[00:37:58] <ciri> 6
[00:38:00] <ciri> 7
[00:38:02] <ciri> 8
[00:38:04] <ciri> 9
[00:38:05] <SirFinkus> honestly, I forgot
[00:38:06] <ciri> 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:38:39] <SirFinkus> I think I was looking at terrible rappers for some reason and this came up in related
[00:39:41] * Ethanol-fueled doesn't want to wonder what Gansta F*g does with that baseball bat he's holding
[00:39:41] <SirFinkus> He wantz it is another gem
[00:40:05] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:40:05] <NetCraft> ^ 03Gangsta Fag - He Wantz It - YouTube
[00:40:28] <SirFinkus> The faggots has the best chorus though, it's way too catchy
[00:40:29] <Ethanol-fueled> You gotta wonder if those guys are serious or just trolls who are exploiting political correctness.
[00:41:37] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAH, oh man...that song is about bug-chasing
[00:41:41] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
[00:41:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Holy fuck that's hilarious
[00:42:03] <SirFinkus> "I grabbed the kid's toy and a wiped my dick off" greatest line in a song ever
[00:42:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Thanks man. I've honestly not laughed that hard in months
[00:43:05] <SirFinkus> I do my best
[00:44:00] <Ethanol-fueled> And the BEST FUCKING PART is that he's a Raider fan
[00:44:14] <Ethanol-fueled> (context: The Raiders and Chargers(my team) are archrivals
[00:44:14] <SirFinkus> lol
[00:44:34] <SirFinkus> I figured
[00:45:03] -!- SpallsHurgenson [SpallsHurgenson!~SpallsHur@cvjn-85-846-846-885.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #Soylent
[01:06:32] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, apparently there are no USB 5.25" floppy drives :(
[01:07:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, you should make one.
[01:07:21] <Ethanol-fueled> There's a big market for that kind of shit for Hipsters
[01:08:15] <Ethanol-fueled> They're so goddamn slow that it provides an opportunity to talk to the hot chick you're showing it off to.
[01:08:30] <SirFinkus> I do love the sound of floppy drives
[01:08:36] <Ethanol-fueled> But then something goes wrong and one read error is enough to make you do it again
[01:08:38] <Ethanol-fueled> and again
[01:08:38] <SpallsHurgenson> or ISA USB cards so I can add USB support to my 386 :)
[01:08:40] <Ethanol-fueled> and again
[01:09:01] <Ethanol-fueled> When you become so frustrated, you yell at your date and she runs like the wind from you.
[01:09:49] <SirFinkus> I actually used a 5.25 floppy to load raid drivers once because I didn't have anything else
[01:10:09] <SpallsHurgenson> SirFinkus: but how long ago was that?
[01:10:18] <SirFinkus> 10 years maybe
[01:10:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, that sounds like bullshit.
[01:10:37] <SpallsHurgenson> SirFinkus: sounds about right.
[01:10:46] <SirFinkus> I think I still have the drive somewhere
[01:10:56] <SirFinkus> I threw the disks away though
[01:11:10] <SirFinkus> not bullshit
[01:11:16] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm pretty sure I was still using 3.5" drives for similar purposes back then; 5.25" wouldn't surprise me
[01:11:40] <SirFinkus> the 5.25 was way out of date at that point
[01:11:56] <SpallsHurgenson> didn't MS only support third-party drivers from USB with Win7 or something? they held onto the boot floppy for a long, long time
[01:12:32] <SpallsHurgenson> (drivers during installation of windows, I mean)
[01:12:47] <SirFinkus> it was under xp I think
[01:13:24] <SpallsHurgenson> no, XP still wanted the floppy (at least, earlier versions... maybe they patched it in with SP3 install cds, dunno)
[01:14:31] <SirFinkus> found it http://i.imgur.com
[01:15:05] <SpallsHurgenson> still got a selection of 3.5" and 5.25" and Zip and 120MB floppy drives too.
[01:15:22] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think I have any active mobos that support any of 'em, though :)
[01:15:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Zip drives?!
[01:15:55] <Ethanol-fueled> That's hoarder-tier tech collector status.
[01:16:18] <chromas> Can pc floppy drives read Commodore and Apple formatted disks?
[01:16:20] <SirFinkus> I think this one ended up just being ide, I don't remember how I hooked it up
[01:16:21] * SpallsHurgenson can't remember what the 120mb drives were called... google time!
[01:16:31] <Konomi> really old stuff
[01:16:41] <Konomi> ;p
[01:16:57] <chromas> superdisk
[01:16:59] <SpallsHurgenson> LS-120 super disks. thats what they were
[01:17:01] <Ethanol-fueled> The US military embraced zip disks because they were cutting-edge when they came out and served as fast backups.
[01:17:11] <Konomi> those things sucked
[01:17:16] <Konomi> they were so prone to errors
[01:17:30] <Konomi> remember using them at some point in school
[01:17:35] <SpallsHurgenson> konomi: if you say; I never used a superdisk. loved my zips though :)
[01:17:49] <Konomi> zips would've just been as bad
[01:17:52] <Konomi> we're talking about kids here ;p
[01:18:22] <SpallsHurgenson> Zip drives were delicate but when they were released they were great. 100MB for $10 bucks was awesome
[01:19:54] <SpallsHurgenson> sort of lost its luster once CD-Rs ($1/650MB) became common though :)
[01:20:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, they were no substitute for a quick-change, cylindrical-key pulled 3.5 inch drive to be swaped out with the one that had a clean install waiting in the SECRET-classified safe.
[01:20:30] <Konomi> I remember chewing on cds ;p
[01:20:50] <SpallsHurgenson> and now it's, what, 30GB per dollar for hard-drives? :)
[01:21:50] <Konomi> yes idk what I'd do without my ability to horde data ;p
[01:21:56] <SpallsHurgenson> it's probably okay to chew on pressed cds; the inks in CD-R/RW are probably toxic and cause brain damage. say, which did you chew on konomi? :)
[01:22:08] <Konomi> the tin foil part flakes off
[01:22:08] <juggs> I remember having an Iomega internal tape drive of some sort - plumbed into an IDE header if I remember correctly. Used to take an age to back stuff up. Can't remember what happened to that box - might have donated it to my sister :/
[01:22:10] <Konomi> so not really ;p
[01:22:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I had a syquest drive once too. made zips look like the rock of gibraltar
[01:23:05] <Ethanol-fueled> I lost all of my data and memories during a hard-drive crash. I was an idiot with no stable backup. Who am I? And why does everybody keep accusing me of being offensive?
[01:23:26] <paulej72> the 1 GB ones were ok, but the 2gb ones were a bit flaky reading 1 gb ones
[01:23:27] <juggs> I also remember being impressed by the sheer incredible speed of DAT tape drives
[01:23:30] <SirFinkus> backups are great
[01:23:35] <SirFinkus> time to drink
[01:23:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I think my syquests were ~50mb. dunno, it's been a long long time
[01:24:05] <juggs> aye - tis beer o'clock SirFinkus
[01:24:14] <paulej72> I am thinking jazz drives not syquest
[01:24:28] <SpallsHurgenson> it's half past bourbon 'round these parts
[01:24:45] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, jazz drives. never owned one but supported people that did. god, those were awful!
[01:24:55] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, that's "JAZ"
[01:25:00] <Ethanol-fueled> not "Jizz"
[01:25:04] <SirFinkus> I wish I had scotch
[01:25:18] <paulej72> whatever :P
[01:25:35] <SirFinkus> I got inversion though, that'll do
[01:26:20] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm so retarded I'm gonna install another drive and run RAID 1's for life
[01:26:40] <SpallsHurgenson> Aye a'body wants some scott laddie! Dinnae ken how come that even needs tae be said
[01:26:49] <SirFinkus> also time for folk metal
[01:26:51] * SirFinkus is listening to Аркона — Коло Нави, from the album Гой, Роде, Гой!
[01:27:00] <SpallsHurgenson> oh wait... you said SCOTCH
[01:27:11] <SirFinkus> honestly, time machine is pretty awesome
[01:27:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, the premier Folk-metal in the states is "Flogging Molly"
[01:27:53] <SpallsHurgenson> time machine is impressive in its ease of use. even mom can use it :)
[01:28:06] <SirFinkus> meh, Korpiklaani and Аркона are superior
[01:28:43] <SirFinkus> I also have have an alternate backup, which is basically just a mirror of my home directory rsynced to my home server
[01:28:44] * Ethanol-fueled realizes, after reading Finkus' comments, Soylent News' theme color is red.
[01:29:17] <juggs> It is? Chillax theme for me
[01:29:40] <SirFinkus> polar bear ruins it for me
[01:29:56] <paulej72> night for me, but OMG Pwnies is rather nice
[01:30:12] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, don't you guys ever do that.
[01:30:12] <juggs> VT100 theme is tasty too
[01:30:23] <chromas> We need a night omgpwnies
[01:30:25] <juggs> EF - it's already done
[01:30:28] <chromas> Midnight Sparkleshine
[01:30:30] <SirFinkus> oh, is that a new one?
[01:30:30] <paulej72> SirFinkus: we removed the polar bear from chillax
[01:30:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I use a freeware mirror/backup program to save the data, mostly 'cause I wanted everything saved in a nonproprietary blob
[01:30:59] <Ethanol-fueled> I use night mode, so apparently I don't see anything annoying.
[01:31:00] <paulej72> chromas: I will get that done forthwith
[01:31:06] <chromas> :D
[01:31:28] <chromas> Dark Soylent
[01:31:32] <chromas> for the ladies
[01:31:37] <chromas> 'cause they like it bitter
[01:31:37] <SpallsHurgenson> but one day I really should look into getting a better program.
[01:32:07] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas - if you suck my dick, I won't tell anybody you're a man.
[01:32:08] <SirFinkus> what os SpallsHurgenson?
[01:32:29] <SpallsHurgenson> it's running off the desktop, so windows.
[01:32:34] <SirFinkus> ahh
[01:32:53] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I'm quite a fan of unison for backup and retaining previous versions of files. http://www.cis.upenn.edu
[01:32:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03Unison File Synchronizer
[01:32:57] <SpallsHurgenson> (ooh, is black icicle new?)
[01:33:01] <SirFinkus> I was going to recommend duplicity, but I don't know how well that works on windows
[01:33:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, er... since the 14.10 update i think
[01:33:31] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: that is what is nice about TimeMachine, it can be browsed as a normal file list on another machine without isssues.
[01:33:39] <juggs> I got unison working fine for my aged folks on win 8.1
[01:33:41] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: I'd never do that if it meant I had to set food in California
[01:33:55] <SpallsHurgenson> mostly I don't switch because I'd have to re-backup terrabytes of data :)
[01:33:56] <chromas> s/d/t/5
[01:33:56] <sedctl> <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: I'd never do that if it meant I had to set foot in California
[01:34:06] <SirFinkus> yeah, time machine backups are just masses of hardlinks
[01:34:22] <SirFinkus> re-backing up data is fun though
[01:34:28] <chromas> everyone switch to btrfs
[01:34:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, any objection to me writing a slashd job to set Ethanol-fueled's theme to pwnies every five minutes?
[01:34:45] <SirFinkus> I tried a few years ago, I lost data
[01:34:56] <SpallsHurgenson> SirFinkus: it is if you can backup to new drives. I'd have to overwrite my current backups and that terrifies me
[01:34:59] <paulej72> no go ahead, :)
[01:35:06] <SirFinkus> ahh, yeah
[01:35:20] <SirFinkus> btrfs might be better now
[01:35:23] <Ethanol-fueled> Sheesh, Buzzard, just get 3 admins to tell me that I'm not wanted here already.
[01:35:45] <chromas> Where's the fun in that?
[01:36:07] * SpallsHurgenson switches from Chillax to Black Icicle. I'm feeling goth (or is it emo? I dunno, both were after my time)
[01:36:11] <chromas> see, the slashdot crew didn't know how to fun
[01:36:14] <paulej72> Ethanol-fueled: we just want to know your loved, but not that way you perv
[01:36:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, stick around man. i need someone to screw with and crutchy ain't as fun.
[01:36:25] <Ethanol-fueled> I've struggled with my trolls, like Dr. Jekyll struggled with Mr Hyde.
[01:37:00] * chromas tans Ethanol-fueled's hyde
[01:37:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> and chromas just don't appreciate the fine art of a good, pissed-off rant.
[01:37:47] <Ethanol-fueled> I cannot controll my bestial urges, but I don't want to be another Adria Richards. My core tenet is to unite rather than divide.
[01:38:03] <SirFinkus> is that the dongle lady?
[01:38:12] <chromas> ~define adria richards
[01:38:25] <exec> adria richards: unable to find definition
[01:38:26] <chromas> Must be nobody then
[01:38:35] <SirFinkus> haha, it is
[01:38:42] <paulej72> bad exec, no treat for you
[01:38:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Yes, Finkus, Adria Richards was offended by a dumb joke and got a guy fired (and rehired) from the controversy.
[01:38:56] <SirFinkus> she got someone fired for saying "forking" at a tech conference
[01:39:21] <paulej72> you mother forker, you
[01:39:24] <SirFinkus> if making forking and dongle jokes are wrong, I don't want to be right
[01:39:52] <SirFinkus> I think she got strieshanded pretty hard after that
[01:40:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> taking offense to something that didn't insult you is a manipulation technique that I refuse to lend any credence
[01:41:02] <paulej72> does anyone understand the plot of Babalon A.D.
[01:41:04] <SirFinkus> I just looked at her latest tweets "LPFI runs SMASH Academy, exposing youth to STEM via summer programs." I bet she'd like to expose youth to "stem"
[01:41:56] <SirFinkus> "Tonight, for the first time, I feel like deleting my Twitter account" still a drama queen I see
[01:41:59] * juggs checks the lawyer budget
[01:42:09] <juggs> we're fucked
[01:42:17] <paulej72> Tonight I am glad I do not have a twitter account
[01:42:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's fun to argue on. i had a blast ripping into sjws earlier today.
[01:43:13] <SirFinkus> I basically use it as a read only feed
[01:43:20] <SirFinkus> never sent a tweet
[01:43:28] <paulej72> Can we make a more derogatory abbreviation for sjws
[01:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> keeps me from calling users cocksucking social parasites in the comments too
[01:43:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, I will stick around, and get booted from everyting by saying, "Niggers."
[01:44:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go by the way, CSP
[01:44:12] <SirFinkus> paulej72 there's a FF extension that changes every instance of sjw to skeleton
[01:44:20] <SirFinkus> it makes the internet much better
[01:44:40] <paulej72> cock sucker would be my choice
[01:44:46] <Ethanol-fueled> And that doesn't excuse the Spics, either. Spics are in my opinion worse than niggers. At least a nigger will tell you what he wants and give you a chance to act on it.
[01:45:03] <Ethanol-fueled> spics just blare horns and yell all of the time.
[01:45:21] <paulej72> in spanish
[01:45:25] <SirFinkus> might be because you live in San Diego
[01:45:49] <juggs> mpd++
[01:45:49] <Bender> karma - mpd: 7
[01:45:59] <SirFinkus> they're more integrated up in Washington
[01:46:00] * SpallsHurgenson mutters to himself, "I swear, every time... dunno why I even bother"
[01:46:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, just for you: https://www.youtube.com
[01:46:05] <NetCraft> ^ 03Read a Book (Dirty Version) - YouTube
[01:46:43] <SirFinkus> most of the immigrant population here is Korean or Vietnamese
[01:47:15] <SirFinkus> in my town anyway
[01:47:36] <SpallsHurgenson> any good vietnamese restaurants?
[01:48:15] <SirFinkus> it's all pho
[01:48:24] <SirFinkus> there's a great korean bbq though
[01:48:28] <crutchy> ~define-add adria richards, the dongle lady?
[01:48:28] <exec> definition for term "adria richards" set to "the dongle lady?"
[01:48:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> is a pho king in DC
[01:48:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, we also have one within a mile of me.
[01:48:59] * Ethanol-fueled lives in San Diego's "little Vietnam"
[01:49:10] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[01:49:10] <NetCraft> ^ 03Andamos Armados - Control Machete - Mucho Barato - YouTube
[01:49:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just don't dig on it. soup is what you eat with lunch not as lunch.
[01:49:29] <SirFinkus> never really liked soups
[01:49:36] <crutchy> soups are awesome
[01:49:38] <SirFinkus> I haven't had pho in a while though
[01:49:44] <crutchy> you can chuck all sorts of crap in them
[01:49:59] <juggs> eww
[01:50:06] <SirFinkus> I get kimbap or whatever it's called from the koreans all the time though
[01:50:13] <SirFinkus> if I'm too lazy to make it
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[01:51:06] <SirFinkus> kimbap is fucking delicious
[01:51:14] <crutchy> ~define kimbap
[01:51:16] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3kimbap: A delightfull meal including a white lion and a chicken samwich.
[01:51:33] <SirFinkus> http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:51:34] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Gimbap
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[01:52:28] * juggs nods along to Thin Lizzy
[01:52:33] <SirFinkus> it's super easy to make
[01:52:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i eat asian food i want it to be meat, vegetables, rice, and at least one of the three needs to be hot enough to clear my sinuses by the end of the meal. no damned soup.
[01:53:03] <chromas> ~define-add adria richards, the dongle lady? Do not fork her repos
[01:53:04] <exec> definition for term "adria richards" set to "the dongle lady? Do not fork her repos"
[01:53:22] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: soups can have meat and other chunks. Soup is a way to use up all the old stuff in your fridge
[01:53:28] <crutchy> tmb, gotta add veggies and meat and rice and noodles n shit to the soup to make it good
[01:53:33] <crutchy> also gotta load up with spices
[01:53:43] <SirFinkus> you can even get pre-sliced ingredients, you just need to make the rice and roll em up
[01:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> why not just leave out the soup base then and just eat the stuff that tastes good
[01:53:50] <SirFinkus> it doesn't last very long though
[01:53:55] * SpallsHurgenson checks his fridge; got ketchup, moldy bread and baking soda... what sort of soup can I make? :)
[01:54:03] <crutchy> corned beef is a good soup base
[01:54:14] <SirFinkus> ramen is the exception to my "no soup" rule
[01:54:15] <juggs> Chilli heat is good for sinus clearance. You know you got it right when the back of your head is sweating and your nose is running.
[01:54:25] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: Dominos pizza
[01:54:25] <crutchy> chilli++
[01:54:25] <Bender> karma - chilli: 1
[01:54:29] <SirFinkus> because it usually has tons of shit in it
[01:54:39] * crutchy adds chilli flakes to lots of stuff
[01:54:45] <SpallsHurgenson> I make a dynamite chilli...
[01:54:45] <SirFinkus> the best for clearing sinuses is horshradish
[01:54:50] <chromas> gross
[01:54:55] <SirFinkus> horseradish even
[01:55:01] <chromas> gross
[01:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, truth. and amazing to hear coming from the culture with the least use of spice on the planet.
[01:55:08] <SpallsHurgenson> 'cept I always make too much of the damn stuff and by the time I finish it off I'm sick to death of chilli :)
[01:55:18] <SirFinkus> or real mustard
[01:55:18] <juggs> horseradish on roast beef - most excellent
[01:55:32] <chromas> horseradish--
[01:55:33] <Bender> karma - horseradish: -4
[01:55:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. wasabi ftw too.
[01:55:46] <SirFinkus> lol
[01:55:48] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[01:55:53] <SpallsHurgenson> make a pretty mean hungarian goulash too... if you like paprika :)
[01:56:01] <SirFinkus> most wasabi in the states is horseradish dyed green
[01:56:16] <SirFinkus> like, 99% of it
[01:56:22] <SirFinkus> it's pretty difficult to find the real stuff
[01:56:30] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, it's not the 70's here any more. Sure a lot of people still cook miserable shit. But things have changed a great deal.
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[01:56:44] * Konomi cooks juggs
[01:57:04] <Subsentient> chromas: That's the plan
[01:57:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, good to hear. just stay away from the curry, it makes you reek for the rest of the day.
[01:57:12] <Subsentient> Actually a control nickname
[01:57:18] <chromas> even better
[01:57:25] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, better cook him for a long time and use lots of spices, konomi. I'm pretty sure he's gone off
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[01:57:56] <SirFinkus> http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:57:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Wasabi
[01:58:23] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, then I must permanently reek. I shop in the Indian / Bangladeshi supermarkets and pretty much everything I cook is loaded up with herbs and spices. I just can't eat plain shit any more.
[01:58:34] <paulej72> chili freezes well. I used to make big batches an freeze a bunch for later.
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[01:58:41] * juggs tries to clamber out of Konomi's cooking pot
[01:58:51] <Konomi> look into my filthy brew \o/
[01:58:57] <SpallsHurgenson> my freezer is the balcony outdoors :)
[01:59:03] <SirFinkus> I've always wanted to try the real stuff, but I haven't been able to find it
[01:59:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, the chili and other spices are fine. it's the curry powder that is truly wretched smelling.
[01:59:08] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[01:59:14] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[01:59:21] <Konomi> is this what everyone looks like?
[01:59:26] <SirFinkus> green dyed horseradish is pretty good too though
[01:59:36] <paulej72> juggs in the pot riminds me of the story of the traveler who make rock soup when he got to a village
[01:59:36] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, but curry powder or garam massala is just a mix of the other spices :D
[01:59:44] <chromas> Konomi: how'd you get that picture of me?
[01:59:44] <SirFinkus> curry is delicious
[01:59:54] <Konomi> hehe
[02:00:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, yes but the burps afterwards make it entirely unworth it.
[02:00:04] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[02:00:13] <SirFinkus> curry is always worth it
[02:00:16] <chromas> someone shopped in that beard, though
[02:00:19] <SirFinkus> and now we come back to shits
[02:00:30] <SirFinkus> because curry shits are the worst
[02:00:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> mexican ftw
[02:00:48] <chromas> SirFinkus: but it's so authentic
[02:00:50] <SirFinkus> just as spicy going out as it is going in
[02:00:57] <chromas> makes you feel like you're actually in India
[02:01:04] <chromas> except for the rape
[02:01:05] <SirFinkus> same consistency too
[02:01:08] <Ethanol-fueled> http://postimg.org
[02:01:08] <NetCraft> ^ 03View image: 20140621 064429
[02:01:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Wow, how ugly.
[02:01:24] <Ethanol-fueled> That's fucking disgusting.
[02:01:34] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: -1, redundant
[02:01:42] <SirFinkus> meh, this is better http://vimeo.com
[02:01:43] <NetCraft> ^ 03DongCopter Pirate on Vimeo
[02:01:45] <SirFinkus> nsfw
[02:01:55] <Ethanol-fueled> -1 Gettin' banned!
[02:01:58] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHHHAHAHHA
[02:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can dig on thai, korean, vietnamese, japanese, chinese, mexican, fucking anything but curry. makes me want to yack up alls over the place.
[02:02:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Sukcx my fucing dic k.
[02:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe later. busy talkin bout food.
[02:03:04] <SpallsHurgenson> speaking of VR... I want an oculus just so I can use this http://videosift.com
[02:03:05] <NetCraft> ^ 0380s arcade with the Oculus Rift
[02:03:36] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[02:03:36] <NetCraft> ^ 03Get in the Ring Guns n' Roses - YouTube
[02:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> good song
[02:04:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> would have carried more weight if anyone but pussy-boy rose were singing it.
[02:05:07] <juggs> Ha - I'm rocking out to Thin Lizzy from 1976 :D
[02:05:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, "boi-pussy" Rose sings everyting you're not.
[02:06:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, i could have beat his band destroying ass when i first heard their music at 15
[02:06:20] <juggs> His voice is screwed now
[02:06:30] <Ethanol-fueled> What, you're pissed because your dad gets more pussy than you?
[02:06:47] <Konomi> http://killscreendaily.com
[02:06:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03In Stellar Smooch, you've got a hot date with fate and outer space - Kill Screen - Videogame Arts amp Culture.
[02:06:51] <Konomi> time to make out in space
[02:06:59] <Ethanol-fueled> antagonize me, motherfucker, and I'll kick your bitchy little ass.
[02:07:22] <Konomi> boo iOS so lame
[02:07:30] * SirFinkus is listening to Korpiklaani — Beer Beer, from the album Voice of Wilderness
[02:08:18] <SpallsHurgenson> "Set to the love story of two deep space probes, one sent out by humans and the other by an alien culture, it's up to the player to matchmake this odd couple into defying both time-space and statistical probability alike". I want some of what the developer is smoking.
[02:08:33] * Konomi nods
[02:08:33] <paulej72> !bier
[02:08:33] * Bender schenkt een glas duvel in voor paulej72
[02:08:55] <Konomi> http://moviecode.tumblr.com
[02:08:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03Source Code in TV and Films
[02:09:02] <Konomi> this is pretty neat if no one has seen it before
[02:09:22] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[02:09:22] <NetCraft> * 03Panzer rollen in Afrika vor (English Subtitle) - YouTube
[02:09:32] <chromas> !chips
[02:09:32] * Bender geeft een zakje cheese onion aan chromas
[02:09:41] <Konomi> useful tumblr site
[02:09:44] * Ethanol-fueled addresses Pauley
[02:09:44] <Konomi> I know it's hard to imagine
[02:09:55] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... what they call "smooching" I call a mass proximity situation :)
[02:10:31] <Konomi> one would imagine you have to be close to smooch ;p
[02:10:47] <juggs> lol who's been giving Bender linguistic smarts?
[02:11:03] <chromas> !sex
[02:11:03] * Bender Nee nu niet, ik heb hoofdpijn. chromas
[02:11:20] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[02:11:20] <NetCraft> * 03Panzer rollen in Afrika vor (English Subtitle) - YouTube
[02:11:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, those Germans are AWESOME
[02:11:37] <chromas> https://code.google.com
[02:11:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03koffie.py - jsonbot2 - The JSON everywhere bot v2 - Google Project Hosting
[02:12:00] <juggs> I blame paulej72 for it, after he blamed me for messing with perms in this channel it's only fair does.
[02:12:56] <paulej72> sure
[02:13:00] <Konomi> germans also sit to pee
[02:13:03] <SirFinkus> again, better https://www.youtube.com
[02:13:04] <NetCraft> ^ 03Sabaton - Ghost Division (Lyrics English & Deutsch) - YouTube
[02:13:04] <Konomi> just saying ~
[02:13:44] <juggs> Konomi, saves on the splash pattern
[02:13:49] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, I like that movie source code link :)
[02:14:01] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: hours of time sucking fun
[02:15:00] <SpallsHurgenson> they should use visual basic to create a gui interface to track the killers!
[02:15:06] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK OFF.
[02:15:19] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[02:15:19] <NetCraft> * 03Panzer rollen in Afrika vor (English Subtitle) - YouTube
[02:15:22] <Konomi> VB.Net_killer
[02:15:27] <SirFinkus> ok everyone /part, Ethanol-fueled wants the channel to himself
[02:15:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus establishes that you all will kill me.
[02:15:54] <juggs> everyone /join 0
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[02:16:11] <Konomi> ha
[02:16:15] <juggs> oh my
[02:16:16] <SpallsHurgenson> SirFinkus: there is an easier way :)
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[02:16:22] <SpallsHurgenson> oops, too late :)
[02:16:24] <Konomi> trolled gently ;p
[02:16:24] <SirFinkus> dohoho, got me
[02:16:32] <juggs> :D :D :D
[02:16:33] <SirFinkus> clever girl....
[02:16:48] <SirFinkus> "press f10 to mute"
[02:16:52] * juggs jiggles
[02:17:05] <chromas> what's F10?
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[02:17:23] <paulej72> SirFinkus: i was just thinking the same thing
[02:17:29] <SirFinkus> it was an "instant quit" button in source games
[02:17:41] <chromas> ah, like a boss key?
[02:17:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I miss boss keys
[02:17:50] <Konomi> no like a quit game key ;p
[02:17:51] <SirFinkus> no, because it'd exit the game
[02:18:01] <SpallsHurgenson> alt-tab just isn't the same :(
[02:18:23] <SirFinkus> so you'd go in, troll a server, then say "f10 to mute" and watch as people dropped trying to mute you
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[02:18:27] <chromas> there's only one reason you'd want to insta-quit an activity and it usually involves either boss or your mom
[02:18:31] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[02:18:31] <NetCraft> ^ 03Metal Gear Solid 2 - Full JFK/JD Codec Conversation Part 1 of 2 - YouTube
[02:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> cider++
[02:19:10] <Bender> karma - cider: 6
[02:19:28] <SirFinkus> cider is good, but most of it is too sweet
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[02:19:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's completely dry. every drop of sugar turned to alcohol.
[02:22:00] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: something tells me bringing up a fake dos terminal in this day might give your boss pause for thought ;p
[02:22:59] <SirFinkus> daily reminder that you can just buy this shit http://www.mpbio.com
[02:22:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03 ( /product.php?pid=02153697&country=223 )
[02:23:06] * SirFinkus is listening to Black Sabbath — Iron Man, from the album Paranoid
[02:23:07] <SirFinkus> fuck yes
[02:23:19] <Konomi> you like your iron man huh?
[02:23:20] <SpallsHurgenson> just make it an excel spreadsheet, bosses never question excel :)
[02:23:30] <SirFinkus> it's a good song
[02:23:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes it is
[02:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> like this one better though: https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03Black Sabbath - Fairies Wears Boots - YouTube
[02:24:49] <SirFinkus> really, anything off those first few albums is god
[02:24:52] <SirFinkus> gold even
[02:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> paranoid especially
[02:25:45] <juggs> SirFinkus, I applaud your taste in music. /me cues up some black sabbath after the thin lizzy
[02:25:50] <juggs> mpd++
[02:25:50] <Bender> karma - mpd: 8
[02:26:04] <SirFinkus> I always felt the actual song was one of the weaker ones on the album though
[02:26:38] <SirFinkus> deceptively difficult to play though
[02:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> feelin the need for some steppenwolf now though
[02:28:31] <juggs> get ya motor running!
[02:28:47] <juggs> head out on the highway!
[02:28:58] <juggs> lookin for adventure!
[02:29:28] * SirFinkus is listening to Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats — 13 Candles, from the album Blood Lust
[02:29:30] <Konomi> getting a speeding fine ~
[02:29:33] <SirFinkus> shuffle is having a good day
[02:30:13] <juggs> Konomi, that's what black paint and no plates is for... not that I have a bike >.>
[02:32:17] * juggs adds some Slayer to the queue
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[02:36:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> simon n garfunkel time
[02:37:04] <juggs> good call
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[02:37:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Suck me off, motherfuckers.
[02:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> sat out in a park one night until i could play Sound of Silence all the way through.
[02:38:29] * SirFinkus is listening to Earth — Coda Maestoso in F(Flat) Minor, from the album Pentastar: In the Style of Demons
[02:38:31] <SirFinkus> local boys
[02:38:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> then said okay, i can officially play guitar if i want to bother. i'm done.
[02:38:51] <juggs> Thin Lizzy - Do Anything You Want To Do (1979) - I'm liking this
[02:39:09] * SpallsHurgenson is listening to Snore in D-Minor, by Kitty :)
[02:39:27] <SirFinkus> lead guitarist gave kobain the shotgun
[02:39:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, yell very loud right next to kitty
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[02:40:08] <SpallsHurgenson> the beast has 18 inch-long claws, and a tendency to use them when surprised.. so I don't think so :)
[02:40:48] <crutchy> you guys got me cooking ricey spicey soup with onions and parsley and carrots and some stirfry beef
[02:41:11] <SpallsHurgenson> mmm, hot oily soup on a cold cold day :)
[02:41:45] <juggs> crutchy, don't forget the garlic
[02:42:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://venturebeat.com
[02:42:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03IsoHunt unofficially resurrects The Pirate Bay | VentureBeat | Media | by Emil Protalinski
[02:43:06] <SirFinkus> garlic is great
[02:43:17] <SirFinkus> probably nothing better
[02:43:53] * SpallsHurgenson asks SirFinkus to please stand on the other side of the #channel
[02:43:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, boobs, beer, bacon
[02:44:15] <SirFinkus> sounds good ot me
[02:44:20] <SirFinkus> to me even
[02:49:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Password? You Changed It, Right? - http://sylnt.us - admin1
[02:49:17] <SirFinkus> I suspect ethanol-fueled is disappointed he wasn't kicked
[02:50:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly. he does so enjoy it
[02:52:02] <juggs> Gives him purpose in life.
[02:52:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> kind of a weak summary on the latest article. we must be low on quality subs.
[02:54:12] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[02:54:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03Was isolated from 1999 to 2006 with a 486. Built my own late 80s Operating System - Imgur
[02:57:03] <SirFinkus> I haven't really had any tech news stories grab me lately
[02:57:24] <SirFinkus> the defcon shit was just posted, someone should do that
[02:57:26] <SirFinkus> http://www.mpbio.com
[02:57:26] <NetCraft> ^ 03 ( /product.php?pid=02153697&country=223 )
[02:57:30] <SirFinkus> oops
[02:57:36] <SirFinkus> https://media.defcon.org
[02:57:42] <NetCraft> ^ 03Index of /DEF CON 22/DEF CON 22 video and slides
[02:57:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't have to be spectacular, need mildly interesting stuff as well.
[02:58:38] <juggs> TMB - it's the weekend we're always low on subs at this time of the week. I think perhaps we need a weekend SoylentNews edition - more long form analysis or review pieces - slower cadence but more depth. Not necessarily breaking news / hot topic pieces, more deep dive stuff. A Soylent Magazine.
[02:58:57] <SirFinkus> it has to be pretty interesting to me to have the willpower to write a good summary and do the research
[02:59:21] <SirFinkus> not that my summaries have been any good anyway
[02:59:30] <crutchy> oh dude
[02:59:32] * SirFinkus is super anal about that
[02:59:38] <crutchy> whacky_wheels++
[02:59:38] <Bender> karma - whacky_wheels: 1
[02:59:44] * juggs zones out - mpd has served me Parisienne Walkways - OH MY - that guitar!
[03:00:41] <crutchy> juggs, i just submit shit with ~submit now :)
[03:00:55] <crutchy> lazy++
[03:00:55] <Bender> karma - lazy: 6
[03:01:14] <crutchy> the submissions aren't really much different to if i put it together myself anyway
[03:02:15] <crutchy> my shitty submissions have prolly always driven the poor editors batty
[03:02:37] <juggs> editors++
[03:02:37] <Bender> karma - editors: 1
[03:03:16] <SirFinkus> honestly though, slashdot has always had the odd shitty submission
[03:03:22] <SirFinkus> probably just gonna happen
[03:04:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, that actually sounds like a pretty good idea. good start for some OC stuff.
[03:04:13] <juggs> underrated - those guys are on it 24/7 - they need more love
[03:04:18] <crutchy> you either have really strict rules and get less submissions, or have lax rules and more submissions. i would think the latter makes for more interesting news cos at least the eds can pick and choose from wider range
[03:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> editors++ # doing shit i don't want to have to do
[03:04:34] <Bender> karma - editors: 2
[03:04:40] <crutchy> editors++
[03:04:40] <Bender> karma - editors: 3
[03:04:57] <crutchy> bytram++ # for making something of three of my shitty submissions this week
[03:04:57] <Bender> karma - bytram: 26
[03:05:21] <SirFinkus> yeah, I've never had a complaint with the editors tbh
[03:05:37] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I'd love to do OC stuff - but we kinda have to cover hosting first.
[03:05:45] <crutchy> blackmoore++ # one was him
[03:05:45] <Bender> karma - blackmoore: 6
[03:06:24] <juggs> Always makes me think of Ritchie Blackmoore - so gets double ++ for that
[03:06:33] <crutchy> janrinok++ # too
[03:06:34] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 17
[03:06:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> not necessarily. doesn't have to be pullitzer level material. opinion pieces or not too deep analysis would do.
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[03:07:06] <SirFinkus> hmm, I've only submitted 4 stories, though it was more
[03:07:16] <SirFinkus> 100% acceptance rate though
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[03:07:36] * SirFinkus smugs
[03:08:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> 25 total for me, one rejected for dupe
[03:08:43] <juggs> Thin Lizzy - Killer On The Loose (1980) ++for the urgency
[03:08:55] <SirFinkus> my problem is that I'm not a good writer, but I know what good writing is, so I'm super picky
[03:09:39] * SirFinkus is listening to SEX MACHINEGUNS — 刺身と山葵, from the album IGNITION
[03:09:49] <SirFinkus> relevant to our earlier discussions about wasabi
[03:09:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> blah from wherever brings us <a>the following</a>: <blockquote>stuff!</blockquote>one line of personal summary
[03:10:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> submission accomplished
[03:10:43] <SirFinkus> that wouldn't live up to my personal standards though, I feel like I need to write at least a paragraph summary
[03:11:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me, i ain't a writer. i let them speak for themselves.
[03:12:11] <juggs> SirFinkus, I think I'm at only 4 submitted / 4 accepted. My jovial style didn't go down well as I remember. I'd rather write my own summaries than just post something like "El Reg reports that X" <blockquote>.
[03:12:24] <SirFinkus> ahh
[03:12:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> everything i write beyond a few sentences includes gratuitous use of the word fuck
[03:12:40] <SirFinkus> my last one was about that rocket exploding
[03:12:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, i think most folks enjoyed it but there's always a troll or two.
[03:13:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> been pondering subbing this one when there's a lull in the systemd news: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:13:37] <NetCraft> ^ 03Which country has 2nd largest social welfare system in the world? • The Register
[03:14:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be good for at least 50 comments
[03:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need caffeine
[03:15:45] <crutchy> juggs, you might have already considered this, but would it worth adding http://www.liveleak.com to regurgitator?
[03:15:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03Liveleak.com Rss Feed - Featured Items
[03:16:10] <SirFinkus> has anyone submitted that vice interview with that torture psychologist yet?
[03:16:15] <SirFinkus> that might be neat
[03:16:35] <SirFinkus> seems almost nerdy enough
[03:17:56] <juggs> crutchy, what does the ?featured=1 offer over the plain feed?
[03:18:18] <crutchy> there's a whole bunch of categories
[03:18:24] <crutchy> kinda like reddit i guess
[03:18:34] <crutchy> there might be a better category than featured
[03:19:23] <crutchy> http://www.liveleak.com
[03:19:23] <NetCraft> ^ 03Liveleak.com Rss Feed - Items in channel 'News'
[03:21:41] <SirFinkus> oh shit, so that big donation shit on the front page
[03:21:53] <SirFinkus> there should be a little more information
[03:22:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> tea++
[03:22:02] <Bender> karma - tea: 317
[03:22:05] <SirFinkus> like, the funding goal
[03:22:20] <SirFinkus> what is that for? running the site for a month? a year? 5 years?
[03:22:37] <SirFinkus> I'd guess a year
[03:22:57] <SirFinkus> but, a guess
[03:23:18] <SirFinkus> if you're asking for money, transparency is pretty important
[03:23:31] <SirFinkus> afaik, that's the "hookers and blow" budget
[03:25:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know ours certainly is
[03:25:53] <chromas> SirFinkus: you may have submitted more; the stats reset a while back
[03:25:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, how much more before we can afford hookers and blow?
[03:25:58] <juggs> SirFinkus, that is to be found on the wiki. There's contingencies for CPA and legal expenses rolled in there. It needs a rework. I intend to rebase it come 1/1/2015 to align with our FY.
[03:26:18] <SirFinkus> yeah, I see the information is there, but it should be on the front page imo
[03:26:31] <SirFinkus> it was buried 2-3 links deep
[03:26:45] <SirFinkus> and the time frame should be more clear
[03:26:56] <crutchy> its just a begometer
[03:27:04] <crutchy> wikimedia foundation does the same thing
[03:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, it's a how close are we to going offline meter too
[03:27:44] <crutchy> if we're that close we should be winding back the infrastructure
[03:28:04] <juggs> SirFinkus, I quite agree. This first year is like teething pains in a way.
[03:28:05] <SirFinkus> I understand, but it might be helpful to include something about how this will pay for the operating cost for the year
[03:28:25] <SirFinkus> it's a sentence, then people can dig in deeper if they can
[03:28:26] <crutchy> even using freenode for irc
[03:29:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're not bankrupt but we're not paying for 15's hosting upfront either.
[03:29:24] <SirFinkus> and really, the wikipedia drives have always left a bad taste in my mouth
[03:29:46] <crutchy> ive blocked the wikipedia beg banners
[03:30:02] <SirFinkus> it seems like they're obfuscating the costs and trying to structure their begs in deceptive ways
[03:30:17] <crutchy> apparently wikimedia is rolling in cash
[03:30:20] <juggs> crutchy, I've looked into that, I don't see anyway to wind back on infrastructure without hitting site resilience. Sure we could go to one web one DB server or even load it all on one box, but that would be insanity.
[03:30:20] <crutchy> its an annual thing
[03:30:22] * SpallsHurgenson scrolls up to see what he missed while he was out
[03:31:12] <crutchy> juggs, resilience is a bit overrated for a site like SN
[03:31:18] <SirFinkus> I've clicked the links in the beg on sn, and I buy the story, but I think you need to sell it on the front page
[03:31:24] <crutchy> if it works 95%+ of the time, that's pretty good
[03:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> last i checked we were bringing in about $200/mo on non-big-subs-renewal-time months. we should cover bills but taxes are giving us hell figuring out.
[03:31:53] <SirFinkus> right now it looks like "we need <arbitrary number> of moneys for <unspecified reason>"
[03:32:02] <juggs> crutchy, yah it's an annual thing - hence why I intend to reset it some 1/1 - the begometer only went up in august, our FY runs on the calendar year
[03:32:27] <crutchy> juggs, sorry mate i was referring to wikipedia with the annual thing
[03:32:56] <SirFinkus> personally, I'd donate it if I had money, but I've been around and I kind of know the culture and the situation of the site
[03:33:10] <crutchy> we should be able to get by on two boxes i would have thought; one to back up the other
[03:33:17] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, ~$200/mo subs ~$350/mo hosting costs... go figure.
[03:33:37] <SirFinkus> not to mention time put in by devs
[03:33:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, yeah, the big month makes up the difference and then some though but i dunno what it does for franchise tax and such yet.
[03:34:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> assuming we keep on at $200/mo. we won't know until we get through a full year of taking subs.
[03:34:17] <crutchy> tax is gunna hurt cos i don't think SN is technically 'not-for-profit'
[03:34:25] <crutchy> or is it?
[03:34:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we're for profit-ish
[03:34:29] <SirFinkus> I thought that was all sorted
[03:34:45] <crutchy> SirFinkus, its all smoke n mirrors :p
[03:34:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, new year, new taxes.
[03:35:19] <crutchy> SN is a PBC but for-profit... go figure
[03:35:36] <SirFinkus> for profit is a lot easier lol
[03:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> all pbcs are for profit, just not primarily for profit
[03:35:42] <SirFinkus> tax-wise
[03:36:15] <chromas> Should file as a church
[03:36:21] <crutchy> i would have thought nfp would be easier, since they generally don't pay taxes, or is that just in australia?
[03:36:37] <SirFinkus> well, you have to justify NFP filing status
[03:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly our taxes wouldn't be hard at all if we could figure out what things like hosting costs fall under. us taxes hate intangibles.
[03:36:45] <crutchy> true
[03:37:03] <crutchy> hosting is just expense i would have thought
[03:37:10] <juggs> crutchy, SN PBC is for profit. NCommander's plan was to bootstrap LibreNews NFP from the income to SN PBC. Well SN PBC doesn't have the income to do that right now.
[03:37:14] <Konomi> should host in australia
[03:37:16] <Konomi> best place to host
[03:37:20] <Konomi> really cheap good pings
[03:37:21] <juggs> pfft
[03:37:22] <Konomi> /s
[03:37:24] <crutchy> lol
[03:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, what kind is the rub here
[03:37:25] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[03:37:31] <crutchy> host at konomi's house
[03:37:35] <crutchy> she has awesome bandwidth
[03:37:40] <Konomi> and we don't get 2 year data retention either
[03:37:50] <SirFinkus> I'm pretty sure you have to justify expenditures for NFPs as well
[03:38:00] <crutchy> its pretty easy though
[03:38:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, she doesn't have a coffee maker. i can't allow us to be hosted anywhere without a coffee maker.
[03:38:07] <SirFinkus> I worked in a heavily regulated industry, and we had to justify all of our expendetures
[03:38:27] <crutchy> if nfps were hard to justify, they wouldn't exist cos nobody could afford to run them
[03:38:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, all our expenses are essentially necessary to exist so not much justification needed.
[03:38:47] <SirFinkus> we were technically for profit, but our margins were regulated
[03:38:54] <juggs> The directors soak the profit crutchy
[03:39:43] <crutchy> i'm sure there are plenty of dodgy nfps, but generally the good ones don't have a lot of resources to spend on bureaucracy and accountants
[03:40:00] <crutchy> or maybe its just that our ATO is a bit nicer than the IRS
[03:40:02] <SirFinkus> so with the place we worked for, we needed to be able to justify anything we spent money on if wasked
[03:40:07] <SirFinkus> asked even
[03:40:57] <juggs> crutchy, you should look at the books of "charities" - kinda beats the volunteering outta ya
[03:41:12] <SirFinkus> like, for our rent we had to prove that the prices we were paying were the fair market rate for the area
[03:41:42] <crutchy> tax scrutiny for nfps is prolly on par with revenues
[03:42:01] <crutchy> if you're a big charity with lots of money changing hands you naturally gunna get more scrutiny
[03:42:07] <SirFinkus> it's really lawyer and accountant territory
[03:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> least we've got scratch enough to get us to big subs renewal month for the year, assuming we keep up the $200/mo. maybe even enough to hire an accountant next year.
[03:43:41] <juggs> crutchy, no. Tax inspectors go after the small to mid-field players knowing they don't have the legal retainers the big guys do and can expect a roll over than a fight.
[03:43:48] <crutchy> if a school mother's club fucks up their tax forms, the tax office isn't gunna drag them over the coals
[03:44:04] <crutchy> juggs, maybe in the UK or USA they do
[03:44:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> I still think we need to sell the under-the-logo spot to whoever pays our month's hosting.
[03:44:18] <juggs> crutchy, SN PBC is US.
[03:44:35] <crutchy> IRS--
[03:44:35] <Bender> karma - irs: -1
[03:44:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> IRS--
[03:44:41] <Bender> karma - irs: -2
[03:44:48] <crutchy> in that case i side with konomi
[03:45:03] <crutchy> straya_rulz++
[03:45:03] <Bender> karma - straya_rulz: 1
[03:45:06] <crutchy> :D
[03:45:36] <crutchy> we could transmit all our data by carrier magpies
[03:45:46] <SirFinkus> I don't blame the IRS as much, it's really only enforcing the rules passed by congress
[03:46:03] <crutchy> you guys are squirming in red tape
[03:46:08] <SirFinkus> the bigger problem is how complex our tax code is
[03:46:16] <crutchy> no wonder companies are bailing out to canada and asia
[03:46:43] <SpallsHurgenson> TCP/magpie is vulnerable to Hawk.ddos
[03:46:54] <crutchy> true
[03:47:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, i'll fix that when i'm emperor. promise. 15% income across the board n no taxes for corps.
[03:47:03] <crutchy> need lots of redundant magpies
[03:47:14] <SirFinkus> heh
[03:47:17] <crutchy> no income tax. just sales tax
[03:47:27] <crutchy> people who buy shit should pay
[03:47:29] <juggs> I wish there was red tape to squirm around in.... all I have is out of date IRS docs and forms for last year. It's like walking into a trap.
[03:47:37] <SirFinkus> naw, income tax is rather regressive
[03:47:42] <SpallsHurgenson> not to mention IP packets are practically free; meanwhile, birdseed can get expensive :)
[03:47:48] * juggs mulls emigrating to Russia
[03:47:58] <crutchy> then you pay mafia tax
[03:48:06] <SirFinkus> disproportionally applies to the lower class
[03:48:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, you're on the drugs. US income tax is one of the most progressive in the world.
[03:48:14] <juggs> not if I kill them first crutchy
[03:48:19] <SirFinkus> sorry, meant sales tax
[03:48:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, yeah, nod nod.
[03:48:27] <crutchy> SN could become the russian mafia mwahahahaha
[03:48:29] * SirFinkus has had a few
[03:48:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, todo: look into mafia funding
[03:48:55] <juggs> Ye gads
[03:49:19] <crutchy> "those oil pipelines are for purely charitable purposes"
[03:49:42] <juggs> I've already been likened to Trotsky - wtf
[03:50:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hehe, i liked the call to arms post
[03:50:23] <Konomi> australia the best country in the... oh wait statistics
[03:50:37] <crutchy> "and our nuclear stockpile isn't threatening... they are more for show to science kiddies to explain how matter work"
[03:51:21] <crutchy> "see when i press this button... europe no longer matter"
[03:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[03:51:29] <NetCraft> ^ 03Simon & Garfunkel - Red Rubber Ball - YouTube
[03:51:33] <juggs> I have a strong suspicion that if me and TMB ever got to talk about socialism, the world would end.
[03:52:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got nothin against socialism as long as it's voluntary.
[03:52:16] <crutchy> socialism is awesome if you're the guy running it
[03:52:30] <SirFinkus> idk the answer to economic shit like that, it just seems to me like capitalism is unsustainable
[03:52:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> or if it's like a half dozen people doing their own thing.
[03:53:06] <crutchy> SirFinkus, a lot of progressive idiots blame problems they've caused on capitalism
[03:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, it's sustained since the beginnings of human history. it'll be aight.
[03:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab crutchy
[03:53:25] <Bender> Added quote 306
[03:53:28] <SirFinkus> well, automation is increasing
[03:53:38] <SirFinkus> eventually, robots are going to run everything
[03:53:48] <crutchy> that's not really new either
[03:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> so? that was a big scare back in the 50s and nothing came of it. jobs still exist if you want one.
[03:53:58] <SirFinkus> you can argue that people will need to maintain the robots, but you can still maintain 50 robots with one guy
[03:53:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're just different jobs.
[03:54:09] <SirFinkus> and increasingly, the jobs have been somewhat bullshit
[03:54:10] <crutchy> humans will fuck each other up much more than robots ever could
[03:54:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh blah. jobs were always bullshit.
[03:54:42] <SirFinkus> not really, if you're building widgets, your job isn't really bullshit
[03:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> used to be a lot worse cause you had to create your own jobs much of the time.
[03:54:49] <SirFinkus> or harvesting crops
[03:55:10] <SirFinkus> jobs with a tangible result
[03:55:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, i harvested peaches not ten years ago. that still happens every single year.
[03:56:01] <crutchy> SirFinkus, can you ever imagine a robot would stoop so low as to do this: https://www.youtube.com
[03:56:02] <NetCraft> ^ 03This is how to force cows to produce milk in africa - YouTube
[03:56:09] <SirFinkus> yes, but you don't need nearly as many people as you did years ago
[03:56:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes you do. more even cause dude expanded his orchard.
[03:56:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> not everything has to belong to a megacorp to survive.
[03:56:59] <crutchy> megacorps are just extensions of governments
[03:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and small outfits don't buy robots. they hire teenagers.
[03:57:12] <crutchy> take away the government supports and the megacorps fall over
[03:57:19] <SirFinkus> agriculture has become increasingly consolidated under megacorps though
[03:57:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure, doesn't mean you can't make a living at it outside that if you like. weather allowing.
[03:57:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i mean come on, farming's always been risky as hell.
[03:57:54] <SirFinkus> the concept of having a dozen kids to take care of the family farm for labor is pretty much dead now
[03:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you hire highschool kids or mexicans
[03:58:28] <crutchy> esp in australia. you can machinerize all you want farming is still fkin hard work
[03:58:34] <SirFinkus> for some crops
[03:58:43] <SirFinkus> but a lot of stuff is nearly automated these days
[03:58:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> farming's always hard work. doesn't matter how mechanized.
[03:59:11] <SirFinkus> but compare the number of people working in agriculture with the numbers 100 years ago
[03:59:11] <juggs> SirFinkus, you dissident you, eternal growth is the one true way, just keep the money presses printing - the future generations will pay it off
[03:59:20] <crutchy> juggs++
[03:59:20] <Bender> karma - juggs: 47
[03:59:33] <crutchy> yes bow to our federal reserve masters
[03:59:33] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "I'm a socialist and I'm okay... I work all night and I sleep all day!"
[03:59:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, hundred years ago we were having this thing called the industrial revolution. might have some impact there.
[04:00:09] <juggs> crutchy, I bow to no-one.
[04:00:19] <SirFinkus> the point is that it takes fewer people to grow x units of food than it did 100 years ago
[04:00:29] <crutchy> juggs, you dissident you!
[04:00:34] <SirFinkus> and that trend holds true for most industries
[04:00:39] <SirFinkus> if not all
[04:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, only way to tell how something will affect the market is how it has in the past. industrialization has been shown to increase rather than decrease employment numbers.
[04:00:56] <crutchy> or... wait... maybe juggs is the head of the Federal Reserve Corporation of the World!
[04:01:12] <SirFinkus> well, define "employment", it's a rather recent concept
[04:01:21] * crutchy hereby welcomes our new fed overlord
[04:01:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't mean it will for sure but it certainly has in the past and japan isn't suffering horrible unemployment from over-mechanization.
[04:01:51] <crutchy> they just have a fed that prints even more than the US
[04:01:59] <SirFinkus> Japan is rather regressive in other ways
[04:02:06] <crutchy> except they have borrowed locally at least
[04:02:09] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, they planned ahead.
[04:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> exactly, they don't fuck the rich for the sake of the poor.
[04:02:18] <SirFinkus> a lot of their culture revolves around creating busywork
[04:02:29] <crutchy> and living in cardboard tubes
[04:03:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, housing is kinda shit there. not a worry here or in oz though
[04:03:08] <crutchy> and having toilets that grope them. wtf is with that?
[04:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> man i just dunno. japanese people is crazy.
[04:04:17] <crutchy> yeah guddammit they're different... we better bomb their asses! ...again!
[04:04:19] <crutchy> :D
[04:04:45] <SirFinkus> it seems rather logical to me, if you want to maintain a capitalist system
[04:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, crazy's fine. crazy n tryin to kill us ain't so much.
[04:05:09] <SirFinkus> creating busywork by shunning technological advancement
[04:05:19] <crutchy> gotta look out for those pakistani kids. they could be packing heat
[04:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> is insane
[04:05:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, is the only way capitalism actually works.
[04:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> cut everything that is not useful
[04:06:36] <SirFinkus> if only
[04:07:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> it has and does work. since the beginning of time. socialism has never, ever worked outside tightly knit sub-city-size units.
[04:07:21] <juggs> I find having sensible discourse about socialism with north americans is painful, because it immediately becomes conflated with communism and reds under the bed type BS.
[04:08:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, in practice there isn't much difference because socialism invariably leads to something very much resembling communism.
[04:08:15] <SirFinkus> capitalism as we know it now is a rather new concept though
[04:08:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> !? it is the default method of living since we wrote in sanscrit
[04:09:41] <crutchy> the old capitalism is what works. croni-capitalism is when corporations get into bed with government. that's not capitalism; its just what CNN wants you to think is capitalism
[04:09:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, true that
[04:10:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is in fact socialism in practice if not in theory.
[04:10:16] <crutchy> michael moore is a fat idiot douchebag
[04:10:29] <SirFinkus> that tends to be the end result though
[04:10:31] <crutchy> rolling is his capitalist riches
[04:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, there'll always be corruption and when it gets unbearable we always do something about it.
[04:11:17] <SirFinkus> and I haven't seen convincing evidence that capitalism is the best way to distribute resources
[04:11:31] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, please do enlighten us as to which state on this planet practised pure communism at any point in time. USSR was never communist. It was oligarchic. I don't think pure communism is possible thanks to human weakness, but taken as a theoretical construct it would work.
[04:11:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't care if it is or not
[04:11:44] <crutchy> small and medium enterprise is capitalism, and they drive much of the economy
[04:11:53] <crutchy> and create most jobs
[04:11:57] <SirFinkus> it seems relevant
[04:12:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, s'why i said in practice rather than in theory. no communistic government has ever been created in practice because the overwhelming power corrupts instantly.
[04:12:40] <SirFinkus> a problem that capitalism suffers from as well...
[04:12:44] <crutchy> communism might be good but maybe harder to practice since it relies on fewer people being 'good'
[04:12:50] <crutchy> less checks and balances
[04:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> sirecote, no, i really do not care for the efficient allocation of resources. it does not matter at all to me.
[04:13:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh
[04:13:25] <crutchy> tmb, efficient allocation of resources is what markets do best
[04:13:27] <juggs> auto-complete got ya
[04:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck allocating resources efficiently. i'm concerned with what is fair.
[04:13:58] <juggs> unless the markets are manipulated crutchy
[04:14:02] <crutchy> if there is really demand for something, customers will prove it with their pocketbooks
[04:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you have earned something, you deserve it. if you have not, you do not. end of story.
[04:14:22] <crutchy> governments don't 'earn' anything
[04:14:24] <SirFinkus> ok then, what is the baseline then?
[04:14:25] <crutchy> they force
[04:14:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, zero
[04:14:35] <crutchy> SirFinkus, freedom
[04:14:40] <SirFinkus> should people starve if they are unable to find jobs that don't exist?
[04:14:44] <crutchy> if people are free to choose
[04:14:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes.
[04:15:09] <SirFinkus> well, that's a sacrifice I'm unwilling to make
[04:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they cannot survive in this world without their hand being held, they are unfit for survival.
[04:15:29] <crutchy> SirFinkus, should government be allowed to take food from the mouths of my kids to give it to someone else's kids?
[04:15:39] <crutchy> cos thats what it does
[04:16:04] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I hope you are fucked too when you happen into ill health
[04:16:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, that's squared away because i'm smart enough to do so.
[04:16:36] <SirFinkus> I'm not arguing for any specific economic strategy crutchy, just that capitalism seems a bit naive to me
[04:17:04] <crutchy> juggs, that's a fair point. its easy to take some arbitrary high moral ground when everything is going well
[04:17:16] <SirFinkus> the idea that market forces will align with what is best for humanity is a stretch for me
[04:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, it's the baseline necessary for any liberty of meaningful quantity at all.
[04:17:19] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, good luck with your insurance thing.
[04:17:49] <crutchy> SirFinkus, capitalism isn't very intelligent. its just kinda more natural; survival of the fittest, every man for himself, nice guys ffinish last sorta stuff
[04:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice guys do fine. the stupid are who suffer.
[04:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> the stupid, the lazy, the weak.
[04:18:29] <chromas> bill_gates++
[04:18:29] <Bender> karma - bill_gates: 1
[04:18:30] <crutchy> humans are greedy horrible bastards. capitalism just plays everyone against each other on an equal footing
[04:18:33] <SirFinkus> or the unlucky
[04:18:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> unlucky i have sympathy for but it has to be proper bad luck not poor planning.
[04:18:56] <SirFinkus> if I'm born to a poor family, I'm pretty fucked in a capitalist system
[04:19:10] <crutchy> tmb, everyone is stupid. just some don't know it
[04:19:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, that's entirely up to you in a capitalist system.
[04:19:30] <SirFinkus> I have significantly fewer opportunities than someone born to a rich familty
[04:19:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> you absolutely do not. you just have to work harder to make use of them.
[04:20:04] <SirFinkus> you absolutely do
[04:20:16] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, that's bullshit.
[04:20:28] <crutchy> tmb, yeah that does seem kinda crap
[04:20:28] <SirFinkus> bill gates can afford to take more risks than I can
[04:20:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you say so man.
[04:20:55] <crutchy> rural folks have significantly fewer opportunities than city folks for example
[04:20:56] <SirFinkus> if MS had failed, he could always fall back on his family's fortune
[04:20:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, no shit. he earned a hell of a lot of money by being smart.
[04:21:07] <SirFinkus> his family was rich as fuck
[04:21:21] <crutchy> bill gates mom worked for ibm
[04:21:23] <SirFinkus> he didn't come from nothing
[04:21:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> big whoop. that's all a matter of luck.
[04:21:33] <juggs> lol
[04:21:39] <crutchy> she arranged his famed meeting
[04:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> luck being born who you are. some people have it easier, some have it harder. there are no limits on what you can do set by your birth though except those you allow to limit you.
[04:22:25] <juggs> double lol
[04:22:26] <SirFinkus> so if I put $30k into a business idea in my situation, I'm fucked, if gates did he'd be just fine, he could afford to take risks
[04:22:37] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[04:22:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Mary Maxwell Gates
[04:22:43] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, you're deluded.
[04:23:06] <juggs> Just got to work harder right?
[04:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, no, i'm an unsympathetic capitalist.
[04:23:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i make no apologies for it.
[04:23:19] <SirFinkus> the whole "working your way up from poverty" thing is an aberration
[04:23:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, sure it is.
[04:24:22] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, nooo - you're a sociopathic unfeeling human,
[04:24:38] <SirFinkus> so how many geniuses have lived their lives in obscurity because they weren't able to go to college, or they didn't have the connections to make their ideas reality?
[04:25:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, would that this were true. i still feel for those who try but fail through no fault of their own. i simply do not feel for those who half-ass it and claim oppression.
[04:25:30] <SirFinkus> I wouldn't go as far a juggs, but I'd just say the opinion is as naive as hardcore communist ideas
[04:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, anyone in this nation can go to college.
[04:26:17] <SirFinkus> the risk is significantly different for a poor person though
[04:26:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> slight hyperbole there. retarded people can't.
[04:26:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, so? no risk no reward. that is the baseline. the already rich are an abberation.
[04:26:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> they are statistically insignificant.
[04:27:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i went to college with zero dollars from my parents. it wasn't easy to do but it was very doable.
[04:28:00] <SirFinkus> the risk levels are so much different for the poor and the rich
[04:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. the risk is you choose liberal arts as a major and can't find a job and end up moving back in with the rents
[04:28:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> or you're bloody stupid and don't belong there in the first place and flunk out.
[04:29:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is what should happen.
[04:29:24] <SirFinkus> rich people can afford to choose a liberal arts major and still land on their feet
[04:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and there we have socialism. the philosophy of failure and the creed of envy.
[04:31:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you fall in a ditch, i will try to help you out. if you put some effort in, between us you will get out most likely. if you lay there and wait for me to carry you out, you will be laying there until you die.
[04:32:12] <chromas> "if you fall in a ditch, i will try to help you out"
[04:32:12] <chromas> ^ Doesn't sound capitalist
[04:32:21] * juggs points TheMightyBuzzard toward Nostradamus
[04:32:26] <SirFinkus> "for a price"
[04:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, call it an investment.
[04:33:14] <chromas> Steal his wallet and run off
[04:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> what i will not do is pay for a bunch of government workers to stand around by ditches waiting for people to fall in so they can carry them out.
[04:33:52] <SirFinkus> well, government bloat is a different matter
[04:33:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i will do my own charity, tyvm.
[04:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> stealing from me to do good for the poor is in no way moral.
[04:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> and rest assured it is armed robbery because i will not surrender the money for such things otherwise.
[04:35:35] <SirFinkus> well, under your definition of morality maybe, but you're living in a place that confers certain benefits as a direct result of you surrendering money
[04:36:15] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, you're conflating socialism with big state communism.
[04:36:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is all fine and good. there are things i'm happy to pay the government to do.
[04:36:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, no. all forms of socialism are at their heart a communal pot.
[04:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> which again, is fine for units like say a family.
[04:37:22] <SirFinkus> well, that's part of deal when you live in a society, believe me, there are tons of things I'm outraged that I'm paying for
[04:37:23] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, indeed so. Is that a bad thing?
[04:37:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, it is if you have no way to opt out. yes. very much so.
[04:38:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, there is nothing special about society that should necessitate the surrendering of even one natural right.
[04:38:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> property being chief among those.
[04:38:59] <juggs> Oh my
[04:39:13] <SirFinkus> so again, that's your personal threshold for that? should companies be able to just opt not to pay for roads? national defense? fire departments?
[04:39:29] * juggs hand TheMightyBuzzard a couple of AK47s
[04:40:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, absolutely not. if you want to be entitled to something, you have to pay for it. elsewise by my way of thinking you have zero claim to it.
[04:40:45] * juggs taps out
[04:40:45] <SpallsHurgenson> taxes are like vaccinations in things you can't allow people to opt-out of, because if everyone does you lose the necessary resources (funding or herd immunity) for times of crisis :)
[04:40:47] <SirFinkus> so there is a line for you, do companies have the right to demand educated workers if they don't pay to educate them?
[04:41:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, fair argument but they should still be able to opt out in some way. even if that way is living off their own land and not using anything provided by the government.
[04:42:12] <SirFinkus> nobody is an island
[04:42:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, terrible terrible question
[04:42:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, can be if they want to be. were many in earlier US times.
[04:43:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> companies can't demand shit. they can say they have X position open and here is what they're paying.
[04:43:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> and here are the qualifications for the job.
[04:43:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I believe that option is called "move to Somalia" :)
[04:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not a demand. that's their shit luck if they can't find it for what they're willing to pay.
[04:43:51] <SirFinkus> they still benefit from the government providing an education
[04:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i prefer to just break the law and not pay for what i do not want and will not accept.
[04:44:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, no they do not
[04:44:43] <SirFinkus> oh?
[04:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> the government provides shit. everything they have they had to take from citizens. citizens provide their own education.
[04:45:27] <SpallsHurgenson> apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the government ever done for us? :)
[04:45:40] <SpallsHurgenson> (with apologies to monty python :)
[04:46:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> the government did none of that unless they suddenly went into business and started creating instead of destroying wealth.
[04:46:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> they were at best facilitators.
[04:46:45] <SirFinkus> I think you discount the value of facilitators
[04:46:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> middle management if you will.
[04:47:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i don't. they serve a function. which they're paid for.
[04:47:06] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, the gov't has nothing to do with maintaining public order? or public health? or education? or fresh water?
[04:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, do they pay for it? when was the last time you saw uncle sam bagging groceries? no, we pay for it so we did it.
[04:48:23] <SpallsHurgenson> we pay them to do it, yes... because before we did so, those things weren't guaranteed.
[04:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i refuse to be charged for services i do not want and will not accept.
[04:48:55] <SpallsHurgenson> when we let people just "opt in" to things like fresh water, we had sewage running down our streets.
[04:49:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, we do that right now.
[04:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have to pay for your fresh water.
[04:49:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is opting in.
[04:49:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you opt out, your water gets shut off.
[04:50:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I pay the gov't to ensure that the water I get from the tap is fresh. If they weren't, you can be sure my utility would be sending sludge down the pipes, and charging for the privilege
[04:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> simple. capitalistic. right.
[04:50:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, yep, EPA or similar. And? That's something i'm happy to pay for.
[04:51:31] <SpallsHurgenson> so we can agree there are necessary services mandatory for everybody to pay for
[04:51:35] <SirFinkus> again, you have a different standard of what you are willing to pay for vs everyone else
[04:51:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, no.
[04:51:56] <SpallsHurgenson> things like environmental protection, food safety, drug safety, police, fire and defense
[04:52:40] <SirFinkus> so you are willing to pay for the EPA to prevent people from polluting the environment, but you are unwilling to pay for food for those who might otherwise turn to crime?
[04:52:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mandatory, never. you should never be charged for something you do not want.
[04:52:51] <SirFinkus> it's essentially the same problem
[04:52:55] <SpallsHurgenson> that is the whole fucking purpose of government. it is even espoused in the founding documents of this nation
[04:52:57] <SpallsHurgenson> " Printer-Friendly Version
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[04:52:57] <SpallsHurgenson> We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
[04:53:21] <SpallsHurgenson> oops, cut'n'paste too much, soory :)
[04:53:28] <SirFinkus> do you think Google or Microsoft is going to pay one extra cent beyond what they are legally required to pay?
[04:53:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, was gonna say ima be asleep before i get down to article 3
[04:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell no, nor should they.
[04:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want the benefit, you pay the cost. you want to lump some benefits together, fine.
[04:54:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> lump them all together? no.
[04:55:09] <SirFinkus> so microsoft doesn't need to pay for any of the roads leading to their campus, because they don't use them, their workers do
[04:55:10] <SpallsHurgenson> which leads to a case of the entire nation losing its "herd immunity" from crisis. "I don't want to pay for the army!" Ooops, we're invaded.
[04:55:22] <SpallsHurgenson> "I don't wanna pay for fresh water". Ooops, dysentary
[04:55:28] <SirFinkus> even though they benefit from them
[04:55:38] <SpallsHurgenson> "I don't wanna pay for roads". Ooop;, starvation because we can't get food cross country
[04:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, sounds fair to me. more or less what we do now. highways are mostly paid for by gas taxes.
[04:56:35] <SpallsHurgenson> there are certain mandatory services government provides. you can't have people simply opt in to the services they like because eventually everyone opts out of everything
[04:56:59] <SirFinkus> so I choose not to pay my gas taxes, who is paying the guy that stops me from using public roads?
[04:57:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> you chose to pay them when you bought the gas
[04:57:46] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB: according to your logic, we can opt out of paying for services we don't support... like gas taxes :)
[04:58:03] <SirFinkus> but that's a monopoly, I can't just go to a gas station and choose not to pay the gas tax
[04:58:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, then you don't get gas or get to drive on the roads. simple.
[04:58:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can however take the bus because they did pay their taxes and can drive on the road
[04:58:45] <SirFinkus> if you don't enforce that gas stations pay the gas tax, everyone will just go to the tax free stations
[04:59:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> reductum ad absurdum now?
[05:00:39] <SirFinkus> how so?
[05:00:46] <SpallsHurgenson> fine, then do fresh water. Joe doesn't like to support the epa so he makes sure that "give cash to the epa" is unchecked on his tax form. how do you ensure he only gets unhealthy water to drink?
[05:00:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> everything looks silly if you take it to its extreme.
[05:01:22] <SirFinkus> if taxes are optional, who is going to pay them? enforcing who accesses services is surely going to cost a pretty penny
[05:01:23] <SpallsHurgenson> Bob doesn't support government medical programs. How do you ensure that none of the medicines he buys has gotten any government support?
[05:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, all water is healthy therefore he is not allowed to buy water.
[05:01:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> you roll the healthy tax in on top of the water bill
[05:02:14] <SirFinkus> kind of like it is now...
[05:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, only if you're foolish in how you lay them out. roll the price in to the price of the service as above.
[05:02:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> for many things, yeah.
[05:02:52] <SpallsHurgenson> Jon does support all these programs and pays his taxes. however, none of his neighbors do. they are all dying and rotting in the streets. unfortunately, there is not enough funds to clean them up so Jon takes sick and dies too.
[05:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't have issue with most taxes. i have issue with paying your way as well as mine though.
[05:03:08] <SirFinkus> again, we go back to the gas stations, since charging taxes for the roads is now optional, everyone will just go to the tax free stations and drive on the public roads
[05:03:22] <SpallsHurgenson> you can't have an "opt-out" system. it doesn't work. everybody must pay for all the programs. if the majority doesn't like the program, GET IT REPEALED.
[05:03:43] <SirFinkus> unless you create an entirely new bureaucracy devoted to stopping people from driving on the public roads
[05:03:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, there are no tax free stations. if you want to sell gas you have to collect the tax.
[05:04:05] <SirFinkus> ahh, so now you don't have a choice on whether or not to pay the tax
[05:04:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, i can give you one in under 150 characters.
[05:04:28] <SirFinkus> it's a compulsory tax, kind of like we have now
[05:04:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't want to pay for ensuring that gas stations are forced to pay taxes :)
[05:04:58] * SpallsHurgenson opts out of his gas-tax-cop taxes :)
[05:05:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> 15% flat tax. Check on the form what major bits of government you wish it to fund.
[05:05:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> boom, done.
[05:05:51] <chromas> Number them to pick your 9 most favorite
[05:05:52] <SirFinkus> 15% is a lot more when you're earning 20k a year vs 400k
[05:05:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody ever pays for anything they don't want to ever again.
[05:06:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, no, it's still 15% i'm pretty sure
[05:06:36] <SpallsHurgenson> not to mention that a lot of unpopular but necessary programs just bit the dust... and the nation will collapse due to the lack in five years
[05:07:13] <SirFinkus> yes, but the 15% can be the difference between having health insurance or not at 20k, and at 400k its whether or not you have a pool
[05:07:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, there are no unpopular but necessary bits of government or they would have already been booted in an uncorrupt government. IRS being the exception.
[05:07:31] <SpallsHurgenson> "pay for school lunches?" cry the middle and upper classes? "Why should I do that?" Indeed, why would we want to have an educated populace
[05:08:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, and? you'll get no sympathy from me for progressive taxes. they are inherently unfair and based entirely on envy and greed.
[05:08:41] <SpallsHurgenson> "Pay for EPA or OSHA?" cry businesses? "They just get in the way of my making money!" And then no fresh water and employees getting winded into the gears like Charlie Chaplin :)
[05:08:57] <SirFinkus> so because I come from a poor family, I guess I'm fucked if I get injured
[05:08:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> businesses should not be taxed. they aren't people.
[05:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> neither should they be allowed ANY role in the political system.
[05:09:21] <SirFinkus> well, I'd agree there
[05:09:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> essentially the only people-like quality they need is the ability to sue and be sued.
[05:09:50] <SirFinkus> but they should be taxed, since they benefit from operating in our society vs another
[05:10:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> why? businesses are made of individuals. tax the individuals.
[05:10:50] <SirFinkus> the benefit they derive is not in proportion to the individual
[05:11:11] <SpallsHurgenson> except the individuals in the business do not assume responsibility for the actions of the corporation (that's sort of the whole point of incorporation). so they benefit without risk
[05:11:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> so? the benefit i derive from a loaf of bread is not the same as a poor person does.
[05:11:44] <SirFinkus> generally, a business has more to lose if another country invades or something
[05:11:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, to a degree, hence the ability to still sue and be sued.
[05:11:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, they absolutely do not
[05:12:05] <SirFinkus> oh?
[05:12:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> they have no life to lose
[05:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> no freedom. they are not people and cannot possess these things.
[05:12:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> they are an accounting contrivance.
[05:13:25] <SirFinkus> tell that to the people who rely on said company for their livelihood
[05:14:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> pointless. they're fools. they should rely on themselves for their livelihood.
[05:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> even if their self is working for a corporation
[05:14:45] <SirFinkus> so again, those born to poor families are left out in the dust
[05:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> not remotely
[05:15:14] <SirFinkus> because they don't have the resources to invest in projects that may make them independently wealthy
[05:15:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> in my life, i've been rich, poor, and middle-class. middle-class is fucking simple to get to from poor. you only need one good skill.
[05:16:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone and everyone is technically capable. even retarded folks.
[05:16:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> though granted they'd need instructions written down for them.
[05:17:14] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, I've worked with a bunch of hard-working people on government support. they are intelligent - if not necessarily well educated and hard-working. and even with two - and sometimes more - jobs they really have no prospects of getting to a solid middle class lifestyle
[05:17:25] <SirFinkus> well, you didn't really start from 0, because I'm assuming you've had public education
[05:17:33] <SirFinkus> or private education
[05:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll lay success out for you: find a skill that will never go out of demand. acquire said skill and go into said field of work. work until poverty is but a memory.
[05:17:53] <SpallsHurgenson> they are one disaster from utter poverty, and not from any lack of effort on their part. without gov't support, they would probably be dead
[05:18:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, everyone in the nation has a public education. if they don't it's their own damned fault.
[05:19:23] <SirFinkus> which is hilarious, because that's the kind of thing that would be the first to go under the system you're proposing
[05:19:35] <SpallsHurgenson> except if people do things your way, they won't because everyone will opt out of paying for public education :)
[05:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> not remotely. all parents want their children educated and would check that box.
[05:19:56] <SirFinkus> so I guess if my parents don't, I'm fucked
[05:20:02] <SirFinkus> through no fault of my own
[05:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're without parents?
[05:20:42] <SirFinkus> so lets go further with that, both of my parents die in a car accident
[05:20:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, under my system everything would get funded or it would get repealed nationwide.
[05:20:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bill Gates Unveils 2014 Holiday Reading List - http://sylnt.us - What-does-Bill-want-to-read-today?
[05:21:13] <SirFinkus> guess i'm fucked since nobody is going to pay for my education
[05:21:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> let's not go reductum ad absurdum agian. i've already stipulated that i at least am willing to help those struck by shit luck of the act of god variety.
[05:21:41] <SpallsHurgenson> except for young adults, who don't have kids yet (so will opt out), the wealthy (who use privated ed and will opt-out), and people with adult children, who see no need to pay for education now that their kids have finished (and will opt out). so basically half the population will opt out of paying for education :)
[05:21:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a good investment.
[05:22:01] <SirFinkus> you are, but you can't guarantee that other people would
[05:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes i can. check the numbers, charity thrives in this nation for people we've never even met.
[05:22:56] <SpallsHurgenson> not to mention, education has to be mandatory across the board in order to maintain an educated workforce and electorate.
[05:23:06] <SirFinkus> keep in mind my uneducated ass might still vote
[05:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> education is no indication of wisdom and thus is no help at the polls
[05:23:57] <SpallsHurgenson> education might not help, but a lack of education sure hurts though.
[05:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it were we wouldn't be in the mess we have been for decades.
[05:24:12] <SirFinkus> might be partially true, but I suspect literacy might be helpful
[05:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. we had better presidents when we had people who could barely read.
[05:24:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> not saying there's a causal link there but it damned sure didn't stem corruption in any way.
[05:25:48] <SirFinkus> kind of ironic that public education has been around since the revolution
[05:26:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, and in the past hundred years we've gone from teaching greek and latin in highschool to teaching remedial english in college.
[05:27:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> some children need to be left the fuck behind.
[05:27:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> slowing everyone down to retard-slow does no good for anyone.
[05:28:24] <SirFinkus> well, that's an educational policy decision
[05:28:39] <SirFinkus> it really isn't an argument on whether we should do it or not
[05:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh we should do it. not college but highschool.
[05:29:13] <SpallsHurgenson> like that idiot Einstein, who was terrible at languages and rejected from polytechnic because of his poor marks in non-science related subjects. leave people like him behind
[05:29:23] <SirFinkus> why not college?
[05:29:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, he was.
[05:29:33] <SirFinkus> what is the distinction you make?
[05:30:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, mostly because college is unnecessary for the vast majority of our citizens' lives.
[05:30:05] <SirFinkus> why should those who are willing, and able be denied college education?
[05:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, because they can't pay for it and TANSTAAFL
[05:30:50] <SirFinkus> so if I'm smart as fuck, but come from a poor familty, I'm out of luck again
[05:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're an idiot who can't see the myriad of ways to get an education on your own, yes.
[05:31:23] <SirFinkus> relegated to working at k-mart for the rest of my life instead of contributing the advancement of humanity
[05:31:28] <SirFinkus> "on my own"
[05:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> GI bill for starters. working until you can save enough or working while you go to school for a couple more.
[05:32:24] <SpallsHurgenson> SirFinkus: if it helps, you won't be working at k-mart that long. soon you'll be out of a job when the corporation goes belly-up :)
[05:32:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> in the past 20 years, both my parents put themselves through college working shit paying jobs.
[05:33:10] <SirFinkus> HA, the GI bill, what if I am physically unable to join the army? and the concept of working through college is significantly more difficult than it was 2 decades ago
[05:33:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> what if, what if. then find another way? is your brain also deficient? can you not use it to think of a way?
[05:33:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I can't join the army, I opted out of paying for defense on my taxes :) :)
[05:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> can still join the army. plenty of red states paid for it.
[05:34:18] <SirFinkus> there isn't always "another way"
[05:34:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes. there is.
[05:34:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you may not be able to think of it but there is always another way.
[05:35:15] <SirFinkus> well, that's an easy thing to say
[05:35:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can sit here for hours and give you other ways if you like
[05:36:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> this shit comes dead easy to me.
[05:36:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I had a young woman as an employee once. wonderful lady. she was working from age 12 to help her parents put food on the table. Didn't do all that well at school, oddly enough, so no opportunity for college and anyway, she had to go straight into two jobs once she hit eighteen. Employment opportunities were limited; seems most businesses wouldn't even consider her, despite her go-get-em attitude and innate intelligen
[05:36:31] <SirFinkus> if you need to work part time jobs irregular hours in order to put food on the table, how are you supposed to pay for college and living expenses?
[05:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, first gain a skill enough to attain a full time job that pays enough to get you through college.
[05:37:25] <SpallsHurgenson> then there was another; she was actually mentally challenged but the sweetest and hardest working person I knew. But almost nobody would ever hire her for anything that paid a working wage
[05:37:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> waitress and furniture salesman together can put two people through college.
[05:37:32] <SirFinkus> gaining skills takes time and money
[05:37:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> no it does not. it takes only time.
[05:38:48] <SirFinkus> I'm trying to think of practical skills that don't require at least some capital investment, and I'm coming up blank
[05:38:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, shame, that. just goes along with my people are bloody stupid theory though. college does not impress me on an interview.
[05:39:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> really?
[05:39:11] <SirFinkus> most of the things I'm thinking of at least require a few hundred to get started
[05:39:48] <SirFinkus> which is a shitton of money if you're working minimum wage
[05:39:52] <SpallsHurgenson> the point is, these are the sort of people that get left behind by an "opt-in" tax program. and with such a program, the numbers of those people will only grow.
[05:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> carpenter. electrician. plumber. bartender. heating and air. computer repair.
[05:40:43] <SpallsHurgenson> the whole idea that most people on the dole are lazy fucks just sitting on their asses waiting for the next government check is pure bullshit, especially since those checks are usually barely enough to keep a minimum existance to begin with.
[05:40:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, no, they get left behind by people. having a degree will only get them hired to a job they cannot do because their degree is meaningless.
[05:41:09] <SirFinkus> carpenter: requires tools electrician, plumber, heating and air, computer repair ditto
[05:41:33] <SirFinkus> bartending, I honestly don't know
[05:41:45] <SirFinkus> but it isn't a profession that suits most people
[05:41:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, i've gone on job on every single one of them with nothing in the way of tools beyond a phillips head screwdriver.
[05:42:03] <SpallsHurgenson> all those jobs require training of one sort or another and apprenticeship is a pretty much forgotten practice these days. you don't got the skills to begin with, you don't get the job.
[05:42:12] <SpallsHurgenson> hell, how can I learn computer repair if I can't afford a computer?
[05:42:18] <SirFinkus> you've gotten carpentry jobs with no tools or skills?
[05:42:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> apprenticeship is legally required for most of those jobs.
[05:42:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes
[05:42:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> not without skills, without tools. the skills i learned by myself.
[05:42:44] <SpallsHurgenson> but they aren't going to pick up joe schome knows nothing about carpentry anymore
[05:42:53] <SpallsHurgenson> you need to know carpentry to become apprenticed
[05:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, this wasn't 50 years ago, this was ten years ago or so.
[05:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can walk on to any one of those jobs and if you can show them you know what you're talking about to a minimum degree, they will hire you.
[05:43:54] <SirFinkus> so you did have some skills
[05:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> of course, i acquired them because i wanted them. they cost no money.
[05:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> have the skill first, get the job second.
[05:44:35] <SpallsHurgenson> where are those skills coming from?
[05:44:35] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question SpallsHurgenson
[05:44:51] <SirFinkus> rather difficult to acquire skills without having material to work with
[05:45:01] <SirFinkus> so I'm skeptical
[05:45:04] <SpallsHurgenson> certainly not from the now non-existant public education system
[05:45:22] <SpallsHurgenson> (erm, existent)
[05:45:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> got one in the army, learned the others either from books or from volunteering some time helping other people
[05:45:49] <SpallsHurgenson> what books? nobody is funding libraries under your tax system either
[05:45:50] <SirFinkus> I could go to the public library(funded by taxpayers) and read all the books on carpretenty I wanted, but I'd still be a shit carpenter
[05:46:05] <SirFinkus> and the army, another service funded by taxpayers
[05:46:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think libraries are state run?
[05:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're not
[05:46:31] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, local taxes are mandatory?
[05:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> least not around here.
[05:46:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're not tax-funded at all around here.
[05:47:11] <SpallsHurgenson> well they sure as hell are here and I'm glad for it
[05:47:12] <SirFinkus> they are?
[05:47:38] <SirFinkus> shit everything around here is
[05:47:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. i've never seen a tax funded library that i know of
[05:48:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ours run off donations, fees, and whatever they can scrounge in grants.
[05:48:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd be surprised if they aren't in your neck of the woods too. most are funded on a municipal level with state (and rarely federal) assistance
[05:48:39] <SpallsHurgenson> even West Virgina has government-funded public libraries
[05:48:51] <SirFinkus> I mean, people donate, but the bulk is funded by the local government around here
[05:49:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> we may too but damned if i've seen em
[05:49:04] <SpallsHurgenson> where is "here", TMB?
[05:49:05] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question SpallsHurgenson
[05:49:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> oklahoma
[05:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> the one in my town is privately funded by a trust almost completely
[05:51:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, there is no excuse in this nation for not being able to learn most skills excepting fear or stupidity.
[05:52:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, come on. did you two learn your computer chops by going to school for it or by breaking your parents computer?
[05:52:16] <SpallsHurgenson> and the fact that some people work 16+ hours a day just to make ends meet
[05:52:27] <SirFinkus> what if my parents weren't wealthy enough to own a computer?
[05:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, their ends are fucked then. there is no excuse for that.
[05:52:51] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB: so fuck them and let them rot, eh?
[05:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, then you broke the one at school. how should i know.
[05:53:11] <SirFinkus> paid for with taxpayer money...
[05:53:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, no, call bullshit on them needing to work 16h a day to make ends meet and tell them to reevaluate their fucking ends.
[05:53:53] <SpallsHurgenson> food and shelter isn't too much to ask for
[05:54:04] <SpallsHurgenson> and yes, for many it is that desperate.
[05:54:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is if you're making me pay it when i'm not getting it.
[05:54:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, that is their problem then. most of america you can hold a minimum wage job and just barely get by at 8h/day
[05:54:45] <SpallsHurgenson> without gov't assistance, I know of at least two who would be out on their ass because they couldn't afford an apartment (at least one that wasn't a roach-infested tenement crime-hole)
[05:55:11] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB: sorry, that is utter bullshit. Minimum wage will not support you anymore
[05:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> my ass
[05:55:26] <SpallsHurgenson> there have been enough studies and reports on this
[05:55:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're thinking city life.
[05:55:38] <SpallsHurgenson> city life is 75% of the country now
[05:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of america is not cities though
[05:55:47] <SirFinkus> not to mention most minimum wage jobs are part time and have inconstant hours
[05:56:02] <SirFinkus> no benefits either
[05:56:13] <SpallsHurgenson> 250 million people live in cities and uburbs
[05:56:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> course not. they have nothing to offer or it wouldn't be a minimum wage job
[05:56:19] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, suburbs
[05:56:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> suburbs are not cities.
[05:57:31] <SpallsHurgenson> but they have nearly the same high costs of cities
[05:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if they have a problem with city life, that is not my fucking problem but theirs. they can get their ass out in the country where they can get a place for $250/mo rent.
[05:58:00] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB: again, more bullshit. Go to the country and get what jobs? the jobs are in the CITY
[05:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, the jobs for fucking morons are in cities. the jobs you have to actually work at exist everywhere.
[05:58:51] <SpallsHurgenson> sorry TMB, you come across so damned spoiled it hurts
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[05:59:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> spoiled? yeah. i took myself from homeless to sysadmin in two years then created my own business a couple years later. spoiled. fuck that.
[06:00:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> and fuck anyone who wants to take what i worked my ass of for.
[06:01:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> see now i been arguing for hours. answering every point i saw. and not a word i've said will have sunk into a single mind because their shit is already made up.
[06:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> closed. bought into the philosophy of failure that is socialism. believe you can't and damned if that won't turn out to be absolutely true.
[06:28:43] * crutchy hates driving :/
[06:28:52] <crutchy> glad to be back home
[06:29:33] <crutchy> wow looks like i missed some fun
[06:30:19] <Subsentient> oh guys
[06:30:26] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: crutchy: I have some news.
[06:30:32] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient
[06:30:33] <Subsentient> NEXUS IS FUNCTIONAL!
[06:30:39] <crutchy> yeah i heard :)
[06:30:43] <Subsentient> I mean, just now
[06:30:45] <crutchy> chromas is using it
[06:30:46] <Subsentient> like, completely functional
[06:30:47] <crutchy> oh
[06:30:52] <crutchy> cool
[06:31:00] <Subsentient> like, it auto-rejoins your channels.
[06:31:07] <Subsentient> like, it sends proper user lists.
[06:31:10] <crutchy> ah. new features ++
[06:31:25] <crutchy> or more features
[06:31:28] <Subsentient> It was unusable to me unless I could get channel rejoining and whatnot.
[06:31:59] <crutchy> i have a need for something similar, but a little different
[06:32:31] <crutchy> i want to be able to connect to my bot with xchat
[06:32:37] <crutchy> directly
[06:33:08] <Subsentient> and make it talk?
[06:33:15] <Subsentient> crutchy:
[06:33:24] <crutchy> the bot will be cconnected to soylent, so yeah
[06:33:32] <crutchy> maybe
[06:33:38] <Subsentient> you can connect your bot to NEXUS and then connect to NEXUS.
[06:34:15] <crutchy> i still want my own nick in soylent though
[06:34:21] <Subsentient> ahh
[06:34:37] <crutchy> so in xchat would appear as 2 separate servers
[06:35:14] <Subsentient> just a second. Going to try and NEXUS into Soylent,.
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[06:35:20] <crutchy> but nexus sounds fkin awesome dude
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[06:36:30] <GerbilSwarm> Ahaha
[06:36:31] <crutchy> heh
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[06:36:37] <crutchy> nexus++
[06:36:37] <Bender> karma - nexus: 1
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[06:36:40] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Subsentient] by juggler
[06:36:57] <Subsentient> Sweeeeeeet.
[06:37:48] <crutchy> is there a website with some screencaps or summin?
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[06:42:58] <crutchy> wb :)
[06:42:59] <Subsentient> derp
[06:43:02] <crutchy> bug?
[06:43:07] <Subsentient> nope, testing stuff
[06:43:10] <crutchy> ah
[06:43:13] <crutchy> testing++
[06:43:13] <Bender> karma - testing: 1
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[06:45:32] <Subsentient> derp
[06:45:32] <Subsentient> derp
[06:45:39] <Subsentient> dammit
[06:45:39] <Subsentient> dammit
[06:45:44] <crutchy> oops
[06:46:21] <paulej72> superbass
[06:46:26] <crutchy> you should make a submission for it Subsentient
[06:46:34] <crutchy> drum up some business
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[06:47:19] <paulej72> open
[06:47:23] <Subsentient> derp
[06:47:27] <crutchy> yay
[06:47:27] <Subsentient> Yay.
[06:47:29] <Subsentient> It works.
[06:47:41] <Subsentient> The problem is that when I typed something on one connection to NEXUS
[06:47:45] <Subsentient> it did NOT show on the others.
[06:47:50] <crutchy> ah
[06:47:57] <Subsentient> Everyone else's speech showed but it put things out of context
[06:48:02] <Subsentient> Figured out why it wasn't working
[06:48:15] <Subsentient> I was writing to soylent's descriptor instead of the other client >.<
[06:48:26] <crutchy> that happens
[06:48:34] <paulej72> how could you tell it was out of context
[06:48:50] <Subsentient> When I switch to the other connection to NEXUS my own speech was not visible
[06:48:55] <paulej72> there is no context here
[06:48:58] <Subsentient> because I didn't say it on that connection
[06:49:14] * crutchy takes paulej72 out of context :p
[06:49:41] <crutchy> tama, paulej72 has no context!
[06:49:56] <crutchy> oh
[06:50:00] <crutchy> that reminds mee
[06:50:01] <paulej72> wrong channel
[06:50:20] <crutchy> chromas and i did something dumb
[06:50:29] <Subsentient> yes?
[06:50:38] <Subsentient> connected two NEXUSes to each other>'
[06:50:43] <Subsentient> didn't you
[06:50:54] <paulej72> what else is new crutchy
[06:51:05] <crutchy> well, you see we were 69++'ing and ciri got excited and kicked bender from the batcave
[06:51:21] <paulej72> lol
[06:51:34] <Subsentient> lol
[06:52:28] <crutchy> poor bender. we didn't mean it
[06:53:00] <crutchy> even ciri 69++'ed, but then out of the blue just kicked him from the channel
[06:53:00] <Subsentient> hehe
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[06:54:54] <Subsentient> Nice, got three copies of NEXUS up.
[06:55:03] <Subsentient> I mean
[06:55:07] <Subsentient> three different clients
[06:55:16] <Subsentient> connected to NEXUS, all funneling through this nickname
[06:55:38] <crutchy> does nexus have a terminal window to see what's going on inside?
[06:55:44] <Subsentient> Not yet.
[06:55:54] <Subsentient> I might implement logging eventually.
[06:56:02] <Subsentient> Right now I'm just basking in this glory.
[06:56:04] <crutchy> maybe you could make a special internal channel that clients ccan access
[06:56:22] <Subsentient> Actually I'm going to have NEXUS listen to a secret nickname.
[06:56:32] <crutchy> ooh
[06:56:33] <Subsentient> and use nickserv identify as the login mechanism.
[06:56:51] <Subsentient> Genius yes?
[06:57:24] <crutchy> um. still trying to digest that one
[06:57:33] <crutchy> probably though :)
[06:57:54] <Subsentient> I think I caught a flu or something unfortunately.
[06:58:36] <crutchy> that's a bugger
[06:58:50] <Subsentient> Yeah
[06:58:52] <crutchy> we've got the A/C cranked up atm
[06:58:55] <crutchy> ~weather
[06:58:57] <exec> Weather for Traralgon VIC - currently 86°F / 30°C, partly cloudy, humidity 51% - Sunday partly cloudy (46°F-77°F / 8°C-25°C), Monday partly cloudy (54°F-79°F / 12°C-26°C), Tuesday chance of storm (48°F-79°F / 9°C-26°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (46°F-70°F / 8°C-21°C) - source: Google
[06:59:15] <Subsentient> crutchy: where are you?
[06:59:19] <crutchy> 30 deg not too bad but my dogbox soaks up the damn heat
[06:59:28] <crutchy> straya
[06:59:32] <Subsentient> fahh
[06:59:34] <Subsentient> ahh
[06:59:36] <Subsentient> $wz
[06:59:37] <aqu4> 8[1 of 2] Name: Lubricated Pubes | Map: Emergence-T1 | Host: Jawnie | Players: 1/10 8(private) | IP: 2.219.167.201 | Version: 3.1.1
[06:59:38] <aqu4> 8[2 of 2] Name: supersquad I | Map: Sk-FishNets | Host: Matthew | Players: 2/4 8(private) | IP: 24.247.25.97 | Version: 3.1.1
[06:59:52] <Subsentient> Well It's really beautiful to see aqu4 responding properly through NEXUS.
[07:00:18] <crutchy> is there two aqu4's running?
[07:00:25] <crutchy> one separate and one through nexus?
[07:00:30] <Subsentient> No.
[07:00:40] <Subsentient> I meant
[07:00:52] <Subsentient> to say $wz and watch aqu4's reply filter through all NEXUS clients
[07:00:55] <Subsentient> $wz
[07:00:55] <aqu4> 8[1 of 2] Name: Lubricated Pubes | Map: Emergence-T1 | Host: Jawnie | Players: 1/10 8(private) | IP: 2.219.167.201 | Version: 3.1.1
[07:00:56] <aqu4> 8[2 of 2] Name: supersquad I | Map: Sk-FishNets | Host: Matthew | Players: 2/4 8(private) | IP: 24.247.25.97 | Version: 3.1.1
[07:00:57] <crutchy> ah yeah
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[07:00:58] * Subsentient shudders
[07:01:02] <paulej72> ~weather
[07:01:03] <exec> Weather for Princeton, NJ, USA - currently 39°F / 4°C, overcast, wind NW at 2 mph, humidity 79% - Sunday partly cloudy (32°F-45°F / 0°C-7°C), Monday partly cloudy (36°F-45°F / 2°C-7°C), Tuesday chance of showers (36°F-46°F / 2°C-8°C), Wednesday mostly cloudy (28°F-48°F / -2°C-9°C) - source: Google
[07:01:12] <crutchy> damn that's chilly
[07:01:12] <paulej72> ~time
[07:01:14] <exec> Sunday, 14 December 2014 @ 2:01 am EST - Princeton, NJ, USA
[07:01:24] * crutchy pipes some heat over to paulej72
[07:02:08] <crutchy> ~timee
[07:02:14] <crutchy> stupid kb
[07:02:22] <paulej72> not that bad. the temps still positive
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[07:02:50] <crutchy> as much as i like the idea of a white xmas, i hate cold
[07:03:57] <Subsentient> crutchy: I myself love the cold
[07:04:03] <paulej72> i like the cold as you can easily add clothing to compensate
[07:04:31] <paulej72> hot and humid, you are just screwed
[07:06:47] <crutchy> i hate hot weather too but i'm prolly bit more used to it
[07:07:20] <paulej72> is it humid too or just hot
[07:07:31] <crutchy> not humid today
[07:07:34] <crutchy> more dry heat
[07:07:51] <crutchy> im in southern australia so humidity isn't common
[07:08:03] <paulej72> that makes it easier
[07:08:09] <crutchy> yeah
[07:08:18] <crutchy> humid would suck
[07:08:24] <paulej72> but sucks in other ways
[07:08:43] <Subsentient> Arizona is a dry heat.
[07:08:45] <crutchy> we get fires a lot
[07:09:31] <Subsentient> So do we
[07:09:42] <crutchy> arizona would be like the outback. thankfully doesn't get that hot here
[07:10:05] <Subsentient> 120F in summer is common
[07:10:13] <Subsentient> Sorry, USA uses Fahrenheit.
[07:10:30] <crutchy> !f2c 120
[07:11:04] <crutchy> wow 49 deg
[07:11:11] <crutchy> yeah that's warm
[07:11:31] <crutchy> i think there was a 52 recorded out in bumfuck west somewhere last year
[07:11:37] <crutchy> that would have been horrible
[07:12:02] <crutchy> our bureau or meteorology had to introduce a new color to the temperature maps
[07:12:06] <crutchy> *of
[07:12:54] <Subsentient> Got WIndows Vista running in Virtualbox right now
[07:12:56] <crutchy> i get uncomfortable once it reaches 40
[07:12:58] <Subsentient> for Nostalgia's sake
[07:13:01] <crutchy> lol
[07:13:03] <Subsentient> wanted to remember how it was
[07:14:38] <chromas> http://imgur.com
[07:14:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03Was isolated from 1999 to 2006 with a 486. Built my own late 80s Operating System - Imgur
[07:14:42] <crutchy> kids have a vista laptop
[07:15:06] <crutchy> konomi posted that earlier. would make a good submit
[07:15:29] * crutchy was wondering if it was legit
[07:16:36] <crutchy> anyone can make a pic and write a story. will be interesting to see if he releases source
[07:16:59] <Subsentient> Yeah publish your code or it didn't happen.
[07:17:16] <crutchy> i thought it was funny that he had whacky wheels
[07:17:16] <Subsentient> At least gimme a floppy image I can mess with.
[07:17:24] <crutchy> i played that as a kid
[07:18:11] <crutchy> the only time when 2 people using a kb at once doesn't look spastic
[07:25:36] <chromas> Need the whoopid bot to announce when its seen a link before
[07:29:37] <paulej72> i saw that
[07:29:46] <paulej72> that too
[07:58:06] <Konomi> it's mostly spastic cause very few keyboards can use many keys at once
[07:58:18] <Konomi> that's why the 2 plahyer games had the 2nd player mapped to the keypad
[07:59:22] <crutchy> whacky_wheels++
[07:59:22] <Bender> karma - whacky_wheels: 2
[08:22:23] <Konomi> crutchy: https://imgur.com
[08:22:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03Just got these Tony Abbott condoms as KK present - Imgur
[08:23:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Judge Rules Drug Maker Cannot Halt Sales of Alzheimer’s Medicine - http://sylnt.us - good-drugs
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[08:50:46] <Subsentient> testy
[08:50:50] <Subsentient> yep it works
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[08:56:27] <crutchy> Konomi, are there julia gillard ones too?
[08:56:34] <Konomi> doubt it
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[08:57:25] <chromas> crutchy: they would be diaphragms
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[09:18:12] <chromas> Open cloud and open source are only part of the transformation underway, there is also a massive narrative building around continuous innovation and high velocity agile development. Some open source projects foster inclusiveness and sacrifice velocity while some increase velocity at the expense of transparency. Cloud Foundry.org’s unique vision is to foster contributions from a broad community of developers, users, customers, partners and ISVs while advancing
[09:18:12] <chromas> development of the platform at extreme velocity.
[09:18:24] <chromas> Apparently, clouds have velocity
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[09:19:25] <chromas> cloud killed nexus!
[09:32:17] <crutchy> stupid eyeses
[09:32:36] <crutchy> "Remote host hosed the connection"
[09:32:39] <crutchy> :/
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[09:42:46] <crutchy> all politicians are stupid. i haven't voted for anyone since i was old enough to vote, cos i haven't come across a candidate worth voting for. i vote for the null candidate
[09:43:36] <chromas> It's too bad they're too smart to dereference a null pointer
[09:45:07] <crutchy> its like choosing whether get fucked in one hole or another. why choose either? my conscious is better off knowing that regardless of who's in power, when the lies start spewing forth i didn't vote for them
[09:54:16] <crutchy> https://imgur.com
[09:54:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03How I feel this morning - Imgur
[09:54:33] <crutchy> i so know this feeling :/
[09:55:57] * chromas prepares to eat crutchy
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[13:02:43] <crutchy> 'night #soylent
[13:05:23] <ar> night? it's 2PM
[13:26:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Windows 7 Patch Is Effectively Malware, According to Forbes. - http://sylnt.us - do-what-now?
[13:29:25] <Konomi> microsoft making buggy patches film at 11
[13:33:10] * SirFinkus prepares for more business
[13:33:26] <Konomi> cha ching
[13:34:57] <Konomi> see if you'd just install lin... what the hell grub my kernel is not missing!
[13:35:13] <SirFinkus> lol
[13:35:14] <ciri> hehehe
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[14:46:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap. it's not even 9am and i'm already bored.
[14:46:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> entertain me, internets
[14:48:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> *vader voce* You have failed me for the last time, Internet.
[16:29:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Secret Surveillance Detected in Oslo - http://sylnt.us - we-are-a-hedge-move-along
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[17:10:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.phoronix.com
[17:10:11] <NetCraft> ^ 03[Phoronix] XLennart: A Game For Systemd Haters With Nothing Better To Do
[17:59:04] <chromas> Is that an xbill fork?
[18:09:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, looks like, yeah.
[18:13:46] <chromas> We missed out. Should've done an XTimmeh
[18:14:56] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[18:15:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> whoosh
[18:16:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll have a nap now and hope the internet can get its shit together for the afternoon.
[18:26:15] <chromas> The slashdot guy
[18:30:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple's Intentional iPod Lock-in Efforts - Engineer Testifies in Court - http://sylnt.us - colour-me-surprised
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[20:01:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC Says Rural Broadband must be at least 10Mbps to Get Subsidies - http://sylnt.us - bureaucrats-boost-bumpkin-broadband
[20:23:09] <ar> "At which point the Essex Police arrived with the fire brigade just behind them and tried to arrest us all, on the very sound policing principle of arrest everyone and sort out the guilty at the station."
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[20:27:17] <Ethanol-fueled> guys I'm having a brain fart
[20:28:00] <Ethanol-fueled> programming question: if I'm iterating across an array, I want to do something to every first item, something else to every second item, and something else to every third item.
[20:28:11] <Ethanol-fueled> could I use the mod operator to accomplish that?
[20:29:00] <Subsentient1> Ethanol-fueled: Modulus?
[20:29:50] <Subsentient1> I myself would just use an int that incremements, and a switch statement. reset it to 1 once it gets to 3.
[20:33:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Thanks subsentient
[20:33:13] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm not the best thinker hung over
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[20:37:07] <crutchy> e-f, yeah use mod or div dude
[20:37:20] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> crutchy, I like subsentient's idea better.
[20:37:24] <crutchy> ah
[20:38:16] <Subsentient1> Reason I'd do that is, for people who are terrible at math like me, I can understand it.
[20:38:16] <crutchy> yeah that's prolly easier
[20:38:35] <crutchy> clear is better than fancy
[20:38:46] <Subsentient1> indeed
[20:39:31] <crutchy> Subsentient1++
[20:39:31] <Bender> karma - subsentient1: 1
[20:39:37] <crutchy> oh
[20:39:42] <crutchy> Subsentient++
[20:39:42] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 19
[20:41:51] <Subsentient1> And, NEXUS quit because I told it to. Needs more work before it's ready for prime time.
[20:42:31] <crutchy> ~suggest would be nice to have a comment mode that you can post anon, but view listing of anon comments in profile page (not public obviously). anon in this case wouldn't be truly anon, but just not have username against comment. that way i can troll easier >;-D
[20:42:32] <chromas> it needs epoch integration :D
[20:42:40] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[20:42:50] <Subsentient1> chromas: hehe
[20:43:02] <crutchy> epochctl
[20:43:54] <crutchy> sounds like something packagable though Subsentient1. keep up the good work buddy
[20:44:01] <chromas> crutchy: that's a good idea; it'd bézier to check your anon comments for modding replies instead of having to keep them opened or bookmarked
[20:44:20] <Subsentient1> crutchy: Yeah I rarely come up with ideas as good as NEXUS
[20:45:15] <crutchy> i'm still yet to :p
[20:46:45] * crutchy added nexus repo to the spy channel feed
[21:05:43] <crutchy> damn reskeys
[21:05:54] <crutchy> i thought tmb disabled them
[21:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> what you going on about?
[21:07:05] <crutchy> how can i effectively troll if i have to wait more than a minute between posting comments :p
[21:07:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> shouldn't be a limit there unless pj put it back in
[21:07:58] <crutchy> s/effectively/efficiently/
[21:07:58] <sedctl> <crutchy> how can i efficiently troll if i have to wait more than a minute between posting comments :p
[21:08:29] <crutchy> forgot difference between effective and efficient there for a moment. /me smacks self
[21:08:37] <chromas> crutchy: you should be using exec to post through proxies
[21:08:43] <crutchy> lol
[21:08:44] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[21:09:11] <crutchy> i'm a poor kangaroo fucker remember. my carrier magpies are in short supply
[21:09:30] <crutchy> nograb
[21:11:39] <crutchy> off to workipoos i go. haf fun :)
[21:12:12] <chromas> Sea ja
[21:13:29] <Konomi> http://www.phoronix.com
[21:13:29] <NetCraft> * 03[Phoronix] XLennart: A Game For Systemd Haters With Nothing Better To Do
[21:13:31] <Konomi> that rage
[21:17:26] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> allright, thanks. Done with my final project
[21:17:36] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> now going to generate a song from a pornographic image
[21:21:55] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Holy shit, that sounds good!
[21:22:42] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> I used as input an image of a filthy spread of anal -- and it sounds romantic, like Chopin. It's a tune that the Disney prince and princess would dance to.
[21:24:14] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> it's CHARGER TIME!
[21:24:22] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Chorgers vs. Broncos
[21:26:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> hors fite!
[21:42:25] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> https://www.youtube.com
[21:42:26] <NetCraft> ^ 03San Diego Super Chargers Theme Song - YouTube
[21:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone played dragon age: inquisition yet?
[21:44:57] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Goddammit Denver 3 SD 0
[21:45:55] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Oh Jesus H. Christ -- military recruiting ads.
[21:46:03] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> "make a difference all right"
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[22:13:49] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Goddammit Chorgers!
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[22:29:52] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Chorgers 3, Broncos 9.
[22:29:56] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Time for a comeback
[22:30:12] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> YEAH! * Beats chest like an ape*
[22:33:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Highly Sensitive Vibration Sensors Based On Spider Organs Being Developed - http://sylnt.us - they-can-hear-you
[22:34:11] <Konomi> https://xkcd.com
[22:34:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03xkcd: Documents
[22:34:15] <Konomi> argh my eyes
[22:34:36] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> It's so true, konomi
[22:34:56] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> konomi, have you ever beat your chest and made grunting noises like an ape?
[22:35:01] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> You should try it sometime.
[22:35:15] <Konomi> that might work well for guys but I'd really not like to bang my boobs
[22:35:33] <Konomi> you haven't thought this through very well
[22:35:45] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> You could flail your arms around and go, "OOO-OOO-OOO!"
[22:35:55] <Konomi> that I could but I'd rather not
[22:35:56] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Maybe jump up and down in place while doing so.
[22:36:22] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> You need to get more fun out of life, Konomi
[22:36:22] <chromas> San-Diego-Super-Chargers: that sounds awful close to chimping out
[22:36:42] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas -- in addition to being fun, it intimidates your enemies.
[22:37:08] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> You know chimps interpret smiling as an act of aggression, and will fling poo at you if you smile at them in the wild.
[22:37:44] <chromas> Is that why gangbangers never smile?
[22:38:06] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas, gangbangers never smile because they don't want to give away their position during nighttime.
[22:38:59] <chromas> Then they need sunglasses for their mouths
[22:39:31] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> bandannas chromas. Either berries (bloods wtih color red) or crabs (crips with color blue)
[22:43:41] <chromas> Crabs 'n' Berries—Thanksgiving in LA
[22:44:23] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> hahah, there's a sports show called "we need to talk," hosted by a woman.
[22:44:37] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> if it is what I think it is, it's marketing genius.
[22:45:00] <chromas> Does she talk about what they're going to talk about all the way up until the end?
[22:45:29] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> HAHAHAHAH
[22:45:40] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> damn, chromas, you know those ladies down COLD.
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[23:01:51] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> The funny thing about American football is that instead of saying "ball," the announcers like to say, "football"
[23:02:03] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> even though the football rarely sees a foot.
[23:02:59] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> #soylent: "Ethanol, you sound like a fucking idiot."
[23:03:07] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> "OOO-OOO-OOO!"
[23:06:36] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Goddamit stop playing the run on the third down!
[23:07:01] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> You're not gonna beat a 6-point lead with a field goal!
[23:28:29] -!- Subsentient [Subsentient!~WhiteRat@Soylent/Staff/Editor/Subsentient] has joined #Soylent
[23:28:29] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Subsentient] by juggler
[23:28:38] -!- SubSen_Test [SubSen_Test!~hfjkjkh@216.161.ghn.ql] has joined #Soylent
[23:29:08] <Subsentient> $chanctl op SubSen_Test
[23:29:08] <aqu4> Ok.
[23:29:09] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o SubSen_Test] by aqu4
[23:29:13] <Subsentient> $chanctl deop SubSen_Test
[23:29:13] <aqu4> Ok.
[23:29:14] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o SubSen_Test] by aqu4
[23:29:15] <Subsentient> oops wrong nick
[23:29:25] <Subsentient> $chanctl op Subsentient
[23:29:25] <aqu4> Ok.
[23:29:26] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Subsentient] by aqu4
[23:29:45] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> .kick Subsentient
[23:29:53] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Ahh phooey.
[23:30:02] <Subsentient> $chanctl deop Subsentient
[23:30:02] <aqu4> Ok.
[23:30:03] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Subsentient] by aqu4
[23:30:14] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick San-Diego-Super-Chargers
[23:30:14] <aqu4> Ok.
[23:30:15] -!- San-Diego-Super-Chargers was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [San-Diego-Super-Chargers]
[23:31:06] -!- San-Diego-Super-Chargers [San-Diego-Super-Chargers!~ae444113@gs769-27-36-16.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #Soylent
[23:31:14] <Subsentient> wb :^)
[23:31:27] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> funny that, subsentient, right when you kicked me the Chargers got a toughdown
[23:31:33] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> touchdown^
[23:31:39] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Extra point good
[23:31:57] -!- SubSen_Test has quit [Client Quit]
[23:32:23] <Subsentient> San-Diego-Super-Chargers: I'm lucky :^)
[23:32:40] <chromas> San-Diego-Super-Chargers: sounds like you need a few more kicks to win
[23:32:57] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> ~grab chromas
[23:33:24] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> aww, shucks. Somebody grab that, it was pretty quick-witted.
[23:33:36] * NetCraft offers San-Diego-Super-Chargers a !
[23:33:45] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> !grab chromas
[23:34:21] <chromas> Ah, I think you gotta be identified for it to work
[23:38:18] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> does that mean I have to be a + or @, or does it mean that I have to tell the bot that I want to be grabbed.
[23:38:55] <chromas> it's kind of like registering on the irc server
[23:39:23] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas, I'm a plebian moron. What does that mean in plain English?
[23:39:49] <chromas> like creating an account of Soylent, except it's here in the chat hole
[23:40:08] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> well how the fuck do you do that?
[23:41:20] <chromas> /nick to the name you want, then /msg NickServ register password email
[23:41:33] <chromas> then you set up your client to do it automatically when you connect
[23:41:51] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Oh, is that what the "log in to services" thing is for?
[23:41:51] <chromas> or you can manually /msg nickserv identify password every time you connect
[23:41:54] <chromas> yeah
[23:42:26] <chromas> and that way you can kick people when they use your nick
[23:42:39] <chromas> =nick Ethanol-fuled
[23:42:40] NetCraft is now known as Ethanol-fuled
[23:42:48] <chromas> I can't even splell
[23:42:58] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> that's not quite accurate, chromas.
[23:43:11] <chromas> =nick NutCrust
[23:43:11] Ethanol-fuled is now known as NutCrust
[23:44:34] NutCrust is now known as systemd
[23:47:19] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> GODAMMIT.
[23:47:30] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Denver won the game on field-goals.
[23:48:53] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> having played football with angry and buff Mexicans, I would suggest their strategy here -- take out their knees, so you win the game by brutally injuring their star players.
[23:49:46] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> FUCK YOU, DENVER
[23:49:56] <chromas> We need a football league that openly promotes steroid use
[23:50:08] <chromas> maximize the injuries
[23:50:10] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas, the latest scandal is painkillers.
[23:50:21] <chromas> but only if they do it with style
[23:50:37] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas, at least they upheld that part of the bargain.
[23:50:39] <chromas> not painkillers! fuck that! they need to be aching while they play
[23:51:44] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas, that would work in Eastern Europe, but not here. America is too litigous.
[23:52:05] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> the NFL here is being systematically dismantled.
[23:52:07] <chromas> just say they touched children and nobody will care
[23:52:41] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas, if ever you're in doubt about what you just said, ask Jerry Sandusky.
[23:53:33] <chromas> he doesn't look catholic
[23:54:01] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> chromas -- but he acts Catholic.
[23:54:13] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> that sort of behavior defines Catholics.
[23:58:44] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> FUCK.
[23:58:50] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Goddammit Chorgers.