#Soylent | Logs for 2015-08-21
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[00:06:02] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[00:06:02] <ciri> :D BadCoderFinger
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[00:19:16] * SpallsHurgenson waves in greeting
[00:20:20] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls
[00:21:16] <BadCoderFinger> Did you notice ciri likes me again? It's quite a blow to the ego when even the bot doesn't like you.
[00:23:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I didn't even notice ciri was back :)
[00:23:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I guess kick-bans don't last forever
[00:27:53] <BadCoderFinger> And shame on you for banning the bot.
[00:28:23] <SpallsHurgenson> as if I had that power!
[00:28:30] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[00:28:33] <SpallsHurgenson> my god, this channel would nearly be empty if I did :)
[00:28:42] * SpallsHurgenson practices his evil laugh
[00:28:48] <BadCoderFinger> If you did have the power, would you use it for good or evil?
[00:28:57] <BadCoderFinger> Maybe the laugh answered that question.
[00:29:03] <barryon> zip
[00:29:14] <barryon> damn missed the ethanol man
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[00:29:30] <BadCoderFinger> Hey takyon, how are you?
[00:29:48] <takyon> good
[00:29:57] <takyon> just opened a uinta hop nosh IPA
[00:30:12] <BadCoderFinger> Nice!
[00:30:16] <BadCoderFinger> I love IPAs.
[00:30:31] <BadCoderFinger> Drydock's Hop Abomination is a favorite.
[00:30:49] <takyon> i like sierra nevada's
[00:31:05] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, they've got good stuff too.
[00:31:18] <BadCoderFinger> Their Torpedo is really good.
[00:31:18] <takyon> lagunitas is great too
[00:31:28] <takyon> torpedo is a go-to IPA
[00:32:09] <takyon> I haven't had ruthless rye in a while
[00:32:20] <BadCoderFinger> I haven't had that one.
[00:32:39] <takyon> and I've been meaning to get this but can't find it yet:
[00:32:40] <takyon> http://www.sierranevada.com
[00:32:42] <systemd> ^ 03Hop Hunter IPA | www.sierranevada.com
[00:32:44] <BadCoderFinger> A couple of breweries nearby have a rye, but they've been fairly tame.
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[00:34:12] <takyon> this hop nosh is better than I could have imagined
[00:34:16] <takyon> very drinkable
[00:34:58] <SirFinkus> they're pretty good
[00:35:17] <takyon> man phoenix666 is translating a lot of german articles
[00:35:20] <SirFinkus> hop hunter is pretty good too, nothing special though
[00:35:21] <takyon> about american news events
[00:35:43] <SirFinkus> I'd go for torpedo over hop hunter
[00:36:16] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[00:36:17] <systemd> ^ 03Ex-Prez Bush, Cheney sued for email, phone spying during Olympics • The Register
[00:37:50] <BadCoderFinger> Good grief. He's a plutocrat, that will never go anywhere.
[00:37:58] <SpallsHurgenson> well, they eventually got Capone for something as minor as tax evasion so who knows...
[00:38:22] <BadCoderFinger> Al Capone didn't have Halliburton on his side.
[00:39:06] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think that would matter. I think its more that - were they to allow a guilty verdict to be made against them - it would set a precedent against all the rest of the spying
[00:39:11] <takyon> Cheney an elder statesman
[00:39:15] <takyon> he didn't do nothing
[00:39:22] <SpallsHurgenson> that is, its not about protecting the MEN as much as the PROCESS
[00:39:35] <SirFinkus> 468 trials, and the slot machine returns are now stabilizing between 78-84%
[00:39:37] * SpallsHurgenson randomly CAPITALIZES words in order to MAKE his POINT
[00:39:42] <takyon> chances aren't bad I'll get real drunk real quick
[00:39:54] <SirFinkus> ever try hoptimum?
[00:40:06] <SirFinkus> that'll get you FUCKED UP
[00:40:20] <SirFinkus> but it's good, probably my favorite ipa
[00:40:30] <takyon> I think I've tried it from a friend
[00:40:47] <SirFinkus> it's seasonal
[00:40:58] <SpallsHurgenson> its always best to get fucked up with a friend.
[00:41:02] <SirFinkus> 10.4 bv
[00:41:04] <SirFinkus> abv even
[00:41:07] <SirFinkus> 100 IBU
[00:41:08] <takyon> yeh dat abv
[00:41:24] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: You're quite correct about protecting the process. I'm deeply saddened.
[00:41:37] <SirFinkus> 2-3 of those and I'm done for the night
[00:41:47] <takyon> http://www.dogfish.com
[00:41:48] <systemd> ^ 03120 Minute IPA | Dogfish Head Craft Brewed Ales
[00:42:07] <SirFinkus> I haven't been able to find that one
[00:42:18] <SirFinkus> love the 90 minute ipa, but it isn't quite worth the extra money
[00:42:36] <takyon> s'like a one time thing
[00:42:39] <BadCoderFinger> Another favorite is Stone Smoked Porter.
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[00:42:50] <takyon> what do I like from stone
[00:42:53] <BadCoderFinger> I can find Stone IPA, which is good, but I miss that porter.
[00:43:06] <SirFinkus> ninkasi had a good stout until they changed the recipe
[00:43:33] <JamesNZ> For some reason I just misread 'SpallsHurgenson' as 'SpallsHussein'.
[00:43:48] <BadCoderFinger> I vote we have a forced nick change!
[00:44:01] <takyon> had arrogant bastard and levitation I think
[00:44:02] <SpallsHurgenson> that's my nick on ISIS IRC servers
[00:44:09] <takyon> allah ackbar
[00:44:14] <SirFinkus> the best stout I've ever had was a barrel aged nitro version of Wrecking Ball Imperial stout
[00:44:22] <takyon> nitros can be so damn good
[00:44:34] <SirFinkus> only available on tap occasionally at no li in spokane wa
[00:44:39] <takyon> it's the perfect thing for stouts
[00:44:42] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: So that's where I saw you!
[00:44:43] <BadCoderFinger> I'm not too fond of nitros, myself.
[00:44:48] <SirFinkus> wrecking ball is good, but oh god the barrel aging
[00:44:53] * JamesNZ notes that down in his little black book
[00:45:25] <SirFinkus> only chromas and I are in #isis though
[00:45:26] <takyon> the nitro version of the right stout just makes it oh so creamy
[00:45:28] <SirFinkus> plotting
[00:45:37] <BadCoderFinger> Spalls: That's just silly. ISIS doesn't have IRC, that's too sinful. They have FatwaBook instead.
[00:45:41] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[00:45:42] <systemd> ^ 03Food Waste And Beef Fat Will Be Making Airplanes Soar : The Salt : NPR
[00:46:03] <JamesNZ> BadCoderFinger++
[00:46:03] <Bender> karma - badcoderfinger: 7
[00:46:22] <SpallsHurgenson> !grab badcoderfinger
[00:46:22] <Bender> Added quote 555
[00:46:29] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[00:46:30] <systemd> ^ 03Nvidia's Board Partners Bring GTX 950 To Life With 18 Graphics Cards
[00:47:03] <SirFinkus> posted from his infiDell surely
[00:47:14] <takyon> http://www.kurzweilai.net
[00:47:15] <systemd> ^ 03The dilemma of human enhancement | KurzweilAI
[00:47:22] <takyon> SirFinkus++
[00:47:22] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 15
[00:47:30] <takyon> !grab SirFinkus
[00:47:30] <Bender> Added quote 556
[00:47:48] <takyon> time for me to get fucked up
[00:47:51] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.bbc.com
[00:47:52] <SirFinkus> I just got an email about human enhancement
[00:47:53] <systemd> ^ 03BBC - Earth - Chimpanzees and monkeys have entered the Stone Age
[00:48:27] <SirFinkus> It'll be handy because apparently there are hot singles in my area that crave sexual attention
[00:48:31] <SirFinkus> I can't believe my luck
[00:48:52] <takyon> boost your neuron count now
[00:49:12] <SirFinkus> killing brain cells is much more fun
[00:49:27] <takyon> i hear alcohol doesn't even kill off brain cells
[00:49:41] <takyon> which is great news as I move to the next bottle of hop nosh
[00:49:50] <SirFinkus> I don't think it does, unless you drink stupid amounts
[00:50:09] <SirFinkus> does have a negative effect only pretty much every system in the body though
[00:50:39] <takyon> can't repair the transhuman without a little damage
[00:51:38] <SirFinkus> I think the ballmer peak is around 2 hop noshes
[00:52:26] <takyon> m8 if I could throw a chair at yer 'ead
[00:52:40] <takyon> *yer mum's 'ead
[00:53:00] <SirFinkus> apparently the belligerent zone is one for you
[00:53:20] <takyon> don't worry I love you all
[00:54:15] <takyon> patronically
[00:54:32] <SirFinkus> that's a new one
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[00:56:23] <SirFinkus> oh man, I think they have a similar beer in bottles
[00:56:28] <SirFinkus> called blackfill
[00:57:13] <takyon> Blackwater
[00:57:48] <BadCoderFinger> As an american, I'm not sure I should drink a beer named "Blackwater."
[00:58:08] <SirFinkus> oh, barrel aged ipas
[00:58:15] <SirFinkus> also delicous
[00:58:24] <SirFinkus> but I've been trying sours lately
[00:59:04] <takyon> sours are great
[00:59:36] <takyon> snapshot is new belgium's best beer imo
[01:01:17] <SpallsHurgenson> fast internet is fast.
[01:07:25] <takyon> eh'
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[01:10:48] <takyon> wow
[01:13:02] <SpallsHurgenson> woof
[01:17:05] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:17:05] <Allahu_Akbot> ^ 03PEAK TECHNOLOGY? Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google, Apple stocks hit the deck • The Register
[01:18:05] <SpallsHurgenson> peak over-hyped companies, not technology. It was never the TECH that attracted the investors
[01:18:34] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[01:18:35] <Allahu_Akbot> ^ 03First Female Army Rangers Say They Thought Of 'Future Generations Of Women' : The Two-Way : NPR
[01:20:31] <SpallsHurgenson> http://io9.com
[01:20:32] <Allahu_Akbot> ^ 03These Previously Unseen Photos Bear Witness to the Carnage of World War II ( http://io9.com )
[01:22:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stop Universities From Hoarding Money - http://sylnt.us - course-correction
[01:52:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Volkswagen Finally Agrees to Publication Of Vulnerability Paper, After Removal of One Sentence - http://sylnt.us - but-it-was-a-'key'-sentence
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[02:16:46] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[02:16:48] <Allahu_Akbot> ^ 03iOS storing enterprise credentials in directory anyone can read • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
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[02:32:03] <chromas> kde-- # 5 doesn't have a 24hr clock
[02:32:03] <Bender> karma - kde: 4
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[02:33:23] <Ethanol-fueled> Sup fellas.
[02:33:33] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm importing the AM dump into a DB now.
[02:38:27] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going to post a journal entry inviting SN users to request their own searches (subject to strict rules, like no asking for SN e-mail addies or credit card data) and then post the results in replies.
[02:39:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Those last two lines I typed were lies, actually. I don't have the balls to do that, not even on beer.
[02:39:36] <SirFinkus> yeah, this leak is great
[02:39:44] <SirFinkus> err, not really a leak
[02:39:53] <Ethanol-fueled> What do you mean, not really a leak?
[02:40:00] <SirFinkus> I thought they were hacked
[02:40:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, that's the story.
[02:40:53] <SirFinkus> probably a fed site anyway, so they can collect dirt on people
[02:41:41] <Ethanol-fueled> No way. It loses its value for blackmail potential when all the records are blown.
[02:42:36] <Ethanol-fueled> NSA already funnels all data to Israel unredacted. It was when that revelation was released that the mainstream stopped reporting on Snowden leaks.
[02:42:41] <SirFinkus> well, just because it was hacked doesn't mean it wasn't for that purpose
[02:42:53] <SirFinkus> or shit, even just a major corporation
[02:43:11] <Ethanol-fueled> That may be true, but there are likely more insidious blackmail mechanisms in place.
[02:44:39] <takyon> ok
[02:44:41] <takyon> im here
[02:44:45] <takyon> hey ethanol
[02:44:57] <Ethanol-fueled> sup.
[02:45:06] <takyon> drinking
[02:45:11] <takyon> maybe back to add some stories
[02:45:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[02:45:40] <takyon> i'm already keking at what you've written above
[02:45:52] <Ethanol-fueled> I would never do that. That would be highly immoral.
[02:46:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, maybe I would, but only if other web interfaces can mainstream without their operators having their doors kicked in.
[02:46:33] <takyon> i'm surprised there aren't really easy web searches for this
[02:46:41] <takyon> although I read about a reputable one on El Reg
[02:46:55] <takyon> a guy who covers all data leaks, it's like amipwned.com or soemthing
[02:47:15] <Ethanol-fueled> There are 2 sites you can check e-mail addies, but not actually see any data.
[02:47:26] <takyon> dat second Ashley Madison leak though
[02:47:32] <takyon> that must be what it is
[02:47:46] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't trust the second one.
[02:47:53] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm gonna wait and see what comes out of it.
[02:47:54] <takyon> funny thing is I could do some real journalism by looking through leak #2 BUT i'm lazy
[02:48:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, me too.
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[02:48:28] <takyon> gonna submit this but I have to pare it down and watch one of the videos
[02:48:29] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[02:48:30] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Next Big Future: Lockheed Martin Compact Fusion Reactor Update with Video of Technical Presentation made at Princeton
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[02:48:47] <takyon> drinking uinta hop nosh IPA
[02:48:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[02:49:21] <Ethanol-fueled> They'd better get us dat fusion soon.
[02:49:33] <takyon> out of effing nowhere there's several groups working on "legit" fusion. obv lockheed martin has the best name brand recognition
[02:49:47] <takyon> the sooner "fusion in 20 years" meme dies the better
[02:51:30] <Ethanol-fueled> can we haz Linux on the Dektop(TM) too?
[02:52:16] <takyon> yeah
[02:52:18] <takyon> but it will be Mint
[02:52:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Ubuntu had it, but they blew it.
[02:52:32] <SirFinkus> fucking security questions
[02:52:46] <SirFinkus> whoever thought that idea up should be shot
[02:52:54] <SirFinkus> no, drawn and quartered
[02:52:55] <takyon> it's just another password
[02:53:01] <SirFinkus> pear of anguish
[02:53:06] <takyon> I write down gibberish in it rather than a real answer
[02:53:10] <takyon> like fjdngffsdofo32hsd3nvvi944w
[02:53:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Invents the 'Transparent' Truck - http://sylnt.us - Squirrel!-Oh!-Oh.-Ewwwww!
[02:53:25] <SirFinkus> I usually do too, but it just bit me in the ass
[02:53:40] <takyon> Ima click on this article because I never read about a transparent truck
[02:53:45] <takyon> I expect to be informed and enriched
[02:53:58] <SirFinkus> I had to verify and account with the answer to a security question I had
[02:54:21] <SirFinkus> the question was something like "what was your first car", which could have about 30 different answers
[02:54:24] <takyon> you know what really effed me up though?
[02:54:42] <takyon> I write down the gibberish answers, but I didn't write down the fake birthday answer
[02:54:44] <SirFinkus> 1996 VW Jetta? Jetta? VW Jetta? vw jetta etc
[02:54:52] <takyon> and then I got asked my fake birthday
[02:55:00] <takyon> before the actual "security question"
[02:55:26] <takyon> the moral of the story is write down everything related to throwaway accounts
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[02:55:41] <SirFinkus> but it's just a stupid UI
[02:55:58] <takyon> I mean
[02:56:01] <takyon> it's a password
[02:56:10] <takyon> you wrote in the information in the form of a string
[02:56:26] <takyon> so you should have written down that string on your comp or piece of paper
[02:56:34] <SirFinkus> best case scenario is that it works perfectly as designed and someone just needs to google which highschool you went to to reset your password
[02:56:48] <Ethanol-fueled> I never use real answers for those.
[02:56:49] <takyon> that actually happened to Sarah Palin
[02:56:49] <SirFinkus> yeah, but I didn't, and really, I shouldn't need to
[02:56:54] <takyon> talk about a rude awakening
[02:56:54] <SirFinkus> yup
[02:57:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Which does make recovering the accounts a pain in the ass.
[02:57:11] <takyon> fire up that fucking NOTEPAD and save that shit
[02:57:36] <SirFinkus> I had to make a *shudder* phone call for this one
[02:58:13] <takyon> wow
[02:58:15] <SirFinkus> Drinking Mosaic IPA btw, very impressed
[02:58:24] <takyon> I think I've had that
[02:58:27] <SirFinkus> pretty pain free for a phone call
[02:58:31] <SirFinkus> it has a nice flavor
[02:58:37] <SirFinkus> I want to say walnut?
[02:58:44] <SirFinkus> I haven't tasted it in a beer before
[02:58:45] <takyon> nope definitely not
[02:58:46] <SirFinkus> and I like
[02:58:51] <takyon> must have confused it with a type of hops
[02:59:03] <takyon> because it is
[03:00:06] <Ethanol-fueled> What brewery brews mosaic?
[03:00:17] <chromas> ncsa
[03:00:43] <Ethanol-fueled> what is that, Chromas?
[03:01:21] <chromas> ncsa mosaic was an ancient web browser :)
[03:01:52] * chromas is just here to confuse the conversation
[03:02:12] <takyon> i dunno but I've definitely seen breweries using Mosaic
[03:02:19] <takyon> real talk, the best hops is Citra
[03:02:23] <Ethanol-fueled> Hurr, chromas.
[03:04:14] <takyon> why is P666 translating German articles from der spiegel
[03:04:20] <takyon> is he just practicing his german
[03:04:43] <takyon> no wait this new one is french
[03:05:09] <takyon> he must be using google translate and rewriting rather than an english source
[03:05:11] <takyon> wut is that
[03:05:16] <SirFinkus> Ethanol-fueled cascade lakes I think
[03:05:23] <SirFinkus> I'm bad at describing flavors
[03:05:26] <SirFinkus> it's nutty
[03:05:54] <SirFinkus> it comes from Redmond!
[03:05:57] <SirFinkus> (Oregon)
[03:07:08] <SirFinkus> so what's everyone's tech support call strategy?
[03:07:15] <SirFinkus> I've found playing dumb the most effective
[03:07:27] <SirFinkus> they're all on a script anyway
[03:08:04] <Ethanol-fueled> "I'm not a stupid granny you dumbfuck. Put the fucking script down and patch me through to somebody who can tell their head from their own ass."
[03:08:17] <SirFinkus> I'm not alpha enough for that
[03:08:53] <Ethanol-fueled> The thing is that some places will push back if you're rude and repeatedly "drop" your calls.
[03:08:54] <_NSAKEY> Ethanol-fueled: That's almost too kind.
[03:09:20] <SirFinkus> my philosophy is that guy on the other end of the line is having a worse day than I am
[03:09:41] <_NSAKEY> SirFinkus: You should talk to some call center sadists some time.
[03:09:45] <SirFinkus> unless it's some indian guy I can't understand, or I've been on hold for longer than 20 minutes
[03:09:48] <SirFinkus> in that case, fuck em
[03:09:54] <_NSAKEY> I know one who loved being passive aggressive with people.
[03:09:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, I try not to be an asshole, but there are times when questions have to be answered and the level-1 guy can't do that.
[03:10:19] <Ethanol-fueled> (or level 3, whatever the first line is)
[03:10:32] <SirFinkus> yeah, that's always super annoying
[03:11:01] <Ethanol-fueled> "Yes, my fucking computer is plugged in and the power is turned on...but that's not what I asked you!"
[03:11:07] <SirFinkus> "are your dns servers down right now?" "Press the reset button on the modem"
[03:12:38] <takyon> did you try restarting the computer
[03:12:58] <_NSAKEY> I used to hate that "restart your computer" line from Comcast.
[03:13:10] <_NSAKEY> I'd always lie and tell them I did before calling.
[03:13:27] <SirFinkus> now, say you're at the intern level, and they give instructions
[03:13:37] <SirFinkus> do you lie and pretend to be following them?
[03:13:50] <SirFinkus> I guess _NSAKEY does
[03:13:51] <_NSAKEY> SirFinkus: The problem was with their connection, never my computer.
[03:13:58] <SirFinkus> yeah, comcast is shit
[03:14:11] <_NSAKEY> Restarting my computer would do absolutely nothing except give them time to try to troubleshoot it.
[03:14:23] <takyon> restarting the computer fixes so many problems on windows
[03:14:31] <Ethanol-fueled> that's true, takyon.
[03:14:33] <takyon> no wonder it's in the script
[03:14:48] <SirFinkus> I haven't had the displeasure of calling microsoft tech support before
[03:15:00] <SirFinkus> well, I had to talk to the robot to activate windows once
[03:15:02] <_NSAKEY> One time I made the mistake of telling them, "I run Linux, restart isn't a catch-all fix like it is on Windows" and the tech tried telling me that Linux wasn't supported and would never work.
[03:15:06] <SirFinkus> but never a human
[03:15:14] <_NSAKEY> "... But I've been using it for years with zero problems until tod-"
[03:15:18] <_NSAKEY> "Sir, it's not supported."
[03:15:24] <takyon> _NSAKEY you broke the warranty you terrist
[03:15:37] <_NSAKEY> "Fuck you, I'm calling again and getting someone who isn't suffering from brain damage."
[03:15:44] <_NSAKEY> ... And that's exactly what happened.
[03:15:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha, that sucks...but honestly I'd use that as a cop-out if I had to deal with angry and stupid customers all day.
[03:17:11] <SirFinkus> yeah, don't mention linux ever
[03:17:47] <takyon> open sores linsucks
[03:18:02] <SirFinkus> I'd lie and say it was a tablet or my phone or something
[03:18:20] <takyon> GNU/Android?
[03:18:35] <Ethanol-fueled> You could tell 'em it's Mac. that's close enough to Linux, right?
[03:18:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Everybody supports Macs.
[03:18:52] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:18:53] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03And it begins: Ashley Madison bonk-seekers urged to lawyer up • The Register
[03:18:53] <SirFinkus> yeah, that'd work too
[03:19:19] <SirFinkus> if I'm calling tech support, the problem isn't with my computer though
[03:19:26] <SirFinkus> so it's really irrelevant
[03:19:29] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[03:19:30] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Macedonia Declares State of Emergency To Block Surge Of Migrants : The Two-Way : NPR
[03:20:00] <SirFinkus> unless it's a hardware problem, then you just say that nothing works
[03:20:11] <takyon> http://www.marketplace.org
[03:20:11] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Why drugmakers are suddenly merging | Marketplace.org
[03:21:31] * SirFinkus is listening to Graveyard — Uncomfortably Numb, from the album Hisingen Blues
[03:21:41] <SirFinkus> fucking ridiculously good album
[03:21:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Go MACEDONIA!
[03:22:36] <takyon> who was my target audience with dat link
[03:22:52] <takyon> "August is National Catfish Month"
[03:23:35] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[03:23:36] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Cedric Belfrage, the WW2 spy Britain was embarrassed to pursue - BBC News
[03:24:34] <Deucalion> El Reg seems obsessed with this ashley madison thing - they must have run 5 or 6 stories on it in 2 or 3 days.
[03:24:48] <takyon> i dunno about that
[03:25:02] <SirFinkus> it's right up their ally
[03:25:06] <SirFinkus> alley even
[03:25:12] <takyon> i count about 4-5
[03:25:27] <SirFinkus> isn't it supposed to be a tech tabloid?
[03:25:27] <takyon> and they like to separate op-ed and analysis from news reports
[03:25:41] <SirFinkus> like the mirror or w/e
[03:25:52] <Deucalion> aye
[03:25:54] <takyon> there's plenty of great info on el reg
[03:26:11] <SirFinkus> forgot the UK RAG that uses similar HEADLINES
[03:26:18] <Deucalion> SUN
[03:26:21] <takyon> don't expect an uber-insightful writeup of the "135 million year old flower discovered" science stories
[03:26:26] <Deucalion> DAILY MAIL
[03:26:29] <takyon> but they have a lot of great stuff
[03:26:41] <SirFinkus> yeah, might have been the Mail
[03:30:00] <Deucalion> Heh - I'm not being all negative about El Reg, it's one of my regular reads - just sometimes it seems to me they overplay and milk stories - Windows 10 seems omnipresent right now, has been for months it seems.
[03:30:12] <SirFinkus> oh yeah, it's great
[03:30:32] * Deucalion sniffs aracasm in the air
[03:30:34] <SirFinkus> every time I get linked there I end up reading several other articles
[03:30:41] <SirFinkus> actually not
[03:30:56] <SirFinkus> I just assume the authors of the articles have tongue firmly in cheek
[03:31:09] <takyon> it's just a little lulz
[03:31:27] <takyon> plus I'm really hooked on one of El Reg's sister sites: The Platform
[03:31:36] <takyon> http://www.theplatform.net
[03:31:37] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03The Platform
[03:31:39] <Deucalion> Certainly with the headlines they do - the article content is generally sound and well researched.
[03:31:55] <takyon> it's everything I wanted HPCwire to be (but it wasn't)
[03:32:00] <SirFinkus> yeah, but still entertaining to read
[03:32:41] <SirFinkus> I always liked the massive Ars Technica reviews on OSX
[03:32:50] <SirFinkus> too bad those are over
[03:33:29] <SirFinkus> the John Siracusa ones
[03:35:08] <takyon> uh oh what's this north korea story
[03:35:15] <SirFinkus> more dick wagging
[03:35:15] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[03:35:18] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03North Korea orders troops on war footing after exchanging fire with South - BBC News
[03:35:32] <SirFinkus> this shit happens yearly at least
[03:36:13] <Deucalion> usual sabre rattling on the border? Who is is running military exercises in the area?
[03:36:55] <SirFinkus> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:36:56] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Wiki: Axe murder incident
[03:36:57] <Deucalion> Fuck me - BBC has become tabloid too now, shame on them.
[03:36:57] <ciri> flip my eggs with a spatula
[03:37:05] <SirFinkus> I always found this one intresting
[03:37:12] <SirFinkus> definition of dick wagging
[03:38:17] <SirFinkus> BBC has been shit for like 3 years now
[03:38:25] <takyon> a dictator is a single point of failure
[03:38:27] <Ethanol-fueled> The North Koreans are threatening to invade America.
[03:38:33] <SirFinkus> at least the news stories it shows to US readers
[03:38:36] <Deucalion> lol
[03:38:36] <ciri> lol damn!
[03:38:43] <SirFinkus> like 75% clickbait
[03:39:00] <takyon> Kim Jong-un goes crazy and launches nukes at south korea
[03:39:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Of all the nations we tried to regime-change, the NK regime would have probably been the easiest.
[03:39:07] <SirFinkus> above the fold for me
[03:39:08] <takyon> have you interacted with the mentally ill today?
[03:39:32] <Ethanol-fueled> A man with a haircut like that has to be mentally ill.
[03:40:03] * Deucalion flits up to the cave ceiling - let me know when normality resumes, I'll be sleeping fitfully until then.
[03:40:20] <SirFinkus> N Korea orders troops on war footing | Why is canadian english unique | The enduring western myths about Japan | "Our father kept us isolated for 14 years" | Cambodia's creepy crawly cuisine | North Korea's first western rock concert
[03:40:26] <SirFinkus> hard hitting journalism
[03:40:56] <Ethanol-fueled> That's the kind of distractionist crap that makes me hate American journalism.
[03:41:07] <Ethanol-fueled> stories about puppies and shit.
[03:42:07] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: derp
[03:42:18] <SirFinkus> there's a north korean propaganda video about haircuts
[03:42:49] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[03:42:51] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Hairstyle in accordance with socialist lifestyle of DPRK - YouTube
[03:43:15] <takyon> yeah they have a select few haircuts that you can have
[03:43:17] <Ethanol-fueled> sup subsentient
[03:43:23] <takyon> they updated the list a year or so ago
[03:43:54] <Ethanol-fueled> so, basically, what haircuts were popular with American boys in the early-nineties?
[03:44:50] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: lol
[03:45:27] * Ethanol-fueled wonders if China's the only reason why we haven't regime-changed NK's ass.
[03:45:41] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I imagine so, actually
[03:46:15] <Ethanol-fueled> If anybody does it, it should be China.
[03:46:37] <Ethanol-fueled> they could keep that facade of MUH COMMUNISM and put in a more productive regime.
[03:46:45] <takyon> regime changing NK is a big pain in the ass
[03:46:57] <takyon> because SK doesn't want to have to deal with the flood of refugees
[03:47:09] <takyon> even if they talk big about "reunification"
[03:47:17] <takyon> so it's status quo until shit goes cray
[03:47:37] <Ethanol-fueled> jeez, takyon, it's not like North Koreans are Muslims. They'll work for their bread.
[03:48:05] <takyon> well the few NKs that have defected have been treated kinda badly in SK
[03:48:17] <Ethanol-fueled> that's pretty shitty.
[03:49:53] <Ethanol-fueled> There ain't gonna be no war though.
[03:51:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah, gene simmons' pad was just raided by "the division that handles online crimes against children"
[03:51:30] <takyon> I'm thinking some of the elites with knowledge of the outside world will execute a coup, execute Kim Jong-un, and then there will be a gradual reunification over a decade or two
[03:51:35] <SirFinkus> first jared, now simmons
[03:51:45] <SirFinkus> what is the world coming to?
[03:52:06] <takyon> $5m dollar footlong
[03:52:48] <Ethanol-fueled> The article says that Simmons and his family aren't being charged...YET.
[03:53:13] <SirFinkus> didn't Pete Townsend get in trouble for the same shit?
[03:53:30] <Ethanol-fueled> You can't knock the 5-dollar footlong -- especially the meatball sub.
[03:53:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Yep Fink, bought boy porn with his credit card...for "reasearch"
[03:53:51] <takyon> back when I ate subway I'd get the italianish one
[03:53:55] <cmn32480> the problem is that Jared was giving kids the footlong
[03:54:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Amazing Adaptability of Brain's Vision Center - http://sylnt.us - do-you-see-what-I-hear?
[03:54:10] <takyon> big dealdo
[03:54:14] <SirFinkus> Besides his arrest for assaulting a police officer in 1967 and issues with destruction of property, Townshend was cautioned by British police as part of Operation Ore, a major investigation on child pornography conducted in 2002–2003. Townshend was placed on the sex offenders register for five years in 2003 after admitting he had used his credit card to access a website bearing the message "click here for child porn" four
[03:54:14] <SirFinkus> years earlie
[03:54:18] <SirFinkus> looooooool
[03:54:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Jared looks like the guy who likes to wear the easter-bunny suit at the mall so he can cop feels all day.
[03:54:48] <takyon> everybody wins ethanol-fueled
[03:55:43] <SirFinkus> holy shit, he was after 6 year olds
[03:55:52] <Ethanol-fueled> who, jared?
[03:55:53] <takyon> eat fresh
[03:55:54] <SirFinkus> yeah
[03:55:57] <SirFinkus> lol
[03:55:57] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[03:55:59] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAH @ takyon
[03:56:34] <takyon> fuqing subway's branding is the least we can do
[03:57:08] <Ethanol-fueled> ebaumsworld did it.
[03:57:27] <SirFinkus> he also fucked a 17 year old prostitute, but that's kind of meh
[03:57:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Who, Jared?
[03:57:37] <SirFinkus> yeah
[03:57:42] <SirFinkus> according to wikipedia
[03:58:19] <takyon> magic 18
[03:58:20] <Ethanol-fueled> that's kinda meh. Maybe even legal in some states.
[03:58:39] <SirFinkus> I bet it cost more than $5
[03:58:40] <takyon> which states is underaged prostitution legal in?
[03:58:49] <takyon> although if you spin it as a relationship..
[03:58:54] <Ethanol-fueled> I wonder if Jared and "bunga-bunga" Berlusconi attended the same pool-parties?
[03:59:13] <takyon> Jared wishes
[03:59:28] <Ethanol-fueled> good point, Jared is like an F-list celebrity
[03:59:39] <takyon> last I heard Berlusconi was pursuing political power again
[03:59:55] <takyon> which you can do because italy doesn't care about corruption or women
[03:59:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Knowing how those Italian men are, I'm surprised they didn't give him a medal.
[04:00:08] <SirFinkus> really, 17 isn't that scandalous imo, kind of creepy, but you aren't a monster
[04:00:14] <SirFinkus> 6 year olds is a little much though
[04:00:24] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, that's the example I think America is headed towards - electing people into government on the basis of celebrity alone.
[04:00:32] <takyon> "a little much"
[04:00:39] <SirFinkus> understatement
[04:00:41] <takyon> clearly you're after something fresher
[04:00:48] <SirFinkus> oh god, I hope trump wins btw
[04:00:50] <takyon> Donald Trump
[04:00:56] <SirFinkus> because nobody I want is going to win
[04:00:56] <takyon> ninja'd
[04:01:03] <SirFinkus> might as well go for broke
[04:01:15] <takyon> Donald "tell it like it is and give kids a helicopter ride" Trump
[04:01:18] <Ethanol-fueled> 6 year olds is just nasty. I bet ol Jared was trying to lure them with lolipops and Video Games.
[04:01:43] <takyon> all he had was sub sandwiches and promotional apps, that's why he got caught
[04:02:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Trump is just a way for Americans to channel anger without actually getting off their asses to do anything productive.
[04:02:10] <SirFinkus> we're talking about a guy who was involved in a WWE skit where he purchased the company
[04:02:34] <SirFinkus> he came out to one of his fundraisers to hulk hogan's theme song
[04:02:44] <Ethanol-fueled> He won't get the nomination, he's just there so all those pissed-off Americans can have somebody to agree with so they won't actually do anything.
[04:03:19] <takyon> Daily Mail: EXCLUSIVE: Melania Trump would be the only First Lady to pose in the NUDE
[04:03:34] <SirFinkus> but goddamn, I wish he was
[04:04:36] <takyon> can First Lady Melania Trump take up what Michelle Obama started and help America's kids deal with their body image?
[04:05:57] <Ethanol-fueled> takyon, isn't body image about things like fat acceptance nowadays?
[04:06:04] <takyon> yes
[04:06:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, when I was in school, the cafeterial food was always not only nasty but unhealthy.
[04:06:32] <takyon> don't be sizeist
[04:06:47] <takyon> I'm trying to remember a certain term
[04:06:50] <takyon> is it adiopositive?
[04:06:52] <Ethanol-fueled> drinking 1L bottles of pepsi with lunch was a common site.
[04:06:56] <Ethanol-fueled> sight^
[04:07:17] <takyon> https://www.google.com
[04:07:18] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Google
[04:07:33] <takyon> 1L is a serving! 2L is a snack
[04:08:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeesh.
[04:09:15] <Ethanol-fueled> 64_oz_Big_Gulp++
[04:09:15] <Bender> karma - 64_oz_big_gulp: 1
[04:09:26] <takyon> that's that week shit
[04:09:32] <takyon> get a 128oz jug of sweet tea
[04:09:55] <Ethanol-fueled> sweet tea is healthy though.
[04:10:00] <takyon> no way
[04:10:01] <Ethanol-fueled> There's tea in it.
[04:10:18] <cmn32480> Q: What do you call 15 blondes in a circle? A: A dope ring. Q: Why do blondes put their hair in ponytails? A: To cover up the valve stem.
[04:10:19] <takyon> sugar is bad mmkay
[04:10:19] <SirFinkus> unsweetened green tea is the best
[04:10:33] <cmn32480> this was the quote at the bottom of the page I was on^^
[04:10:35] <Ethanol-fueled> green_tea++
[04:10:35] <Bender> karma - green_tea: 2
[04:10:55] <takyon> I drink cold lipton black tea all day long
[04:10:57] <cmn32480> g'night fellas
[04:11:00] <takyon> except it's off brand
[04:11:06] <cmn32480> ~g'night
[04:11:09] <takyon> night
[04:11:16] <cmn32480> rats... still no exec
[04:11:19] <SirFinkus> ito-en is the best grean tea
[04:11:20] <cmn32480> oh well
[04:11:23] <SirFinkus> green even
[04:12:00] <takyon> this black tea is curing my hangover before it happens
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[04:18:21] <takyon> black_tea++
[04:18:21] <Bender> karma - black_tea: 1
[04:20:24] <takyon> http://hplusmagazine.com
[04:20:28] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03New Antenna Design Could Aid Interplanetary Communication - h+ Mediah+ Media
[04:20:52] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[04:20:52] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Intel's Compute Sticks stick it to Windows To Go, Chromecast • The Register
[04:22:05] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[04:22:07] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Peru approves shooting down of drug smuggling planes - BBC News
[04:22:28] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[04:22:30] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03Scottish economic growth 'longest since 2001' - BBC News
[04:24:39] <Ethanol-fueled> That antenna design...applying phased-array principles to circular polarization?
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[04:27:01] <takyon> apparently
[04:27:02] <takyon> a
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[05:53:06] <Ethanol-fueled> I've got a table loaded and can run queries now.
[05:53:22] <Ethanol-fueled> The other tables are going to take awhile to import.
[05:53:35] <Ethanol-fueled> tables of my mother's sno-cone recipies.
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[07:12:59] <prospectacle> good day
[07:14:35] <prospectacle> has anyone watched this recent UK show "Utopia" (as opposed to the recent Australian "Utopia" or US "Utopia", of the same name)?
[07:26:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wither OpenOffice? - http://sylnt.us - fighting-over-office-space
[07:41:10] <crutchy> g'day prospectacle
[07:41:11] <ciri> meow crutchy
[07:41:26] <crutchy> i haven't even heard of any show by that name'
[07:41:54] <crutchy> though i do own a tv so i'm not quite *that* guy
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[08:22:33] <prospectacle> it's pretty good
[08:22:52] <prospectacle> It's like a mystery/thriller type deal
[08:24:25] <prospectacle> There's some mysterious manuscript that people want, some shadowy organisation pulling strings, a small group of people in sudden deep water, etc
[08:24:30] <prospectacle> Just my kind of show
[08:26:57] <crutchy> noice
[08:27:20] <crutchy> i been watching the odd anime lately, but i been pretty meh a lot
[08:27:30] <crutchy> just working and coding and sleeping
[08:27:42] <crutchy> i hate winter
[08:29:13] <prospectacle> it's almost over
[08:29:24] <prospectacle> you been doing any fun coding projects?
[08:29:50] <prospectacle> I'm making another game. Should be releasable to general slobs within a week or so. Nothing fancy, but I do find I enjoy playing it myself so that counts for something.
[08:30:42] <crutchy> cool. is it online?
[08:31:12] * crutchy just moved exec to a new vm. been looking to work on irciv but need to copy a file from old machine
[08:31:33] <crutchy> i'm running 3 vm's on my lappy atm
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[08:33:41] <prospectacle> it will be
[08:33:49] <prospectacle> how's exec going, what are some of its latest features?
[08:35:37] <crutchy> not sure. i haven't been working on it much lately
[08:35:44] <crutchy> prolly my sn journal is best bet
[08:36:12] <crutchy> i can't even remember what i did last
[08:36:16] <crutchy> oh maybe titles
[08:36:53] <crutchy> it has an auto-title thingy (like most other bots) but it handles cookies and also translates on the fly
[08:50:18] <prospectacle> I saw it ( i think it was exec ) say something about the revenue-raising total increasing. Is that based on what's on the homepage or does it have access to some other counter?
[08:50:57] <crutchy> nah it just scrapes
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[10:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:02:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1587
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[10:07:50] <SoyGuest82564> woops
[10:08:24] <SoyGuest82564> uh oh I'm in an infinite loop
[10:08:42] <SoyGuest82564> soyguest... is not a registered nickname. if I /nick prospectacle it's temporarily unavailable
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[10:08:56] <prospectacle> ah ha
[10:10:16] <prospectacle> After much experimentation with legal and work-safe drugs I've decied one coffee per half hour for 1.5 hours then one tea per half hour for 1.5 hours is the best high
[10:10:29] <prospectacle> I have not patented this recipe, so you may use it for your own purposes
[10:12:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> been doing that myself for years. course my one coffee is a 20oz mug
[10:19:18] <prospectacle> well of course the does must be adjusted to tolerance levels
[10:20:13] <prospectacle> mine's a double, or triple, but a normal sized mug
[10:20:24] <prospectacle> a coffee++ mug actually from this very vendor in whose room we are conversing
[10:21:39] <prospectacle> I also quite like an espresso shot from a shot glass. Efficient.
[10:25:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. have an espresso machine on the counter in yonder. tis a beautiful thing.
[10:26:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd have a coffee++ mug as well but they're too small for my purposes; i can't be arsed to go get coffee that often
[10:28:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, so what was i gonna do today? filtering comments by something or other in the api...
[10:28:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> score, that was it
[10:29:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Modern Parenting May Hinder Brain Development, Research Suggests - http://sylnt.us - touching-development
[10:53:19] <SirFinkus> speaking of caffeine...
[10:53:23] * SirFinkus goes off to make tea
[10:54:36] <SirFinkus> I should get one of those instant hot water machines, I'd drink tea so much more often
[10:55:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> just run water through your espresso maker, no grounds.
[10:55:49] <SirFinkus> I don't have an espresso maker
[10:56:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, that's your real problem there.
[10:57:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'm not gonna get shit done today.
[10:58:24] <SirFinkus> fishing weather?
[11:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing sposed to be happening till noon or so
[11:01:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;socialist crutchy
[11:01:27] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
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[11:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't think of anything entertaining to do. this could be a prollem.
[11:03:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[11:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i guess i could make MrPlow echo any spam moderations into the channel so folks could check em for legitness.
[11:05:33] <SirFinkus> I'm busy doing my best to crash my phone
[11:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> rooting it?
[11:06:37] <SirFinkus> no, I wrote a toy app for it that counts words and orders them according to frequency
[11:06:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky
[11:06:48] <SirFinkus> and I put a novel in it
[11:06:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[11:06:58] <SirFinkus> still grinding away 10 minutes later
[11:07:03] <SirFinkus> and my phone is getting warm
[11:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> shoulda writ it in perl. would be done by now.
[11:07:43] <SirFinkus> slow as fuck, but hasn't crashed yet
[11:07:56] * SirFinkus probably should have added a progress indicator or something
[11:08:06] <prospectacle> sirfinkus what did you write it in?
[11:08:12] <SirFinkus> swift
[11:08:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> feh, next thing you'll be wanting a progress meter on dd
[11:08:25] <prospectacle> do you put them in a db or how do you do the counting/ordering?
[11:08:40] <SirFinkus> text files :D
[11:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> !?
[11:08:48] <prospectacle> there's your bottleneck
[11:08:55] <SirFinkus> isn't that kill -3 TheMightyBuzzard?
[11:09:06] <prospectacle> buffer some sql and wrap every thousand (count=count+1) in a transaction.
[11:09:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno the number but kill -USR1 works
[11:09:33] <SirFinkus> oh, it's kill -USR1
[11:10:00] <SirFinkus> yeah, this was more of a "for the fuck of it" thing, just wanted to see how easy it was to get something up and running on my phone
[11:10:32] <prospectacle> oh I missed it was on your phone
[11:10:34] <prospectacle> interesting challenge
[11:10:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, now i wanna write a perl one liner to do the same
[11:11:04] <SirFinkus> not really, it's like day 3 of cs 101
[11:11:54] <SirFinkus> now, if you did it so it worked with Chinese...
[11:12:03] <SirFinkus> suddenly things get more complex
[11:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... actually i think perl wouldn't bat an eye at that. bout to find out.
[11:13:03] <SirFinkus> chinese?
[11:13:19] <SirFinkus> no spaces
[11:14:03] <SirFinkus> still grinding away
[11:14:22] <SirFinkus> phone is still warm, so I assume it's still running
[11:15:34] <SirFinkus> oh, that's odd, the clock hasn't updated
[11:15:58] <SirFinkus> stuck at 3:51, so I'm ruling out skew
[11:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, nope. perl won't count in japanese.
[11:16:50] <SirFinkus> I think you'd have to load a dictionary or something
[11:17:02] <SirFinkus> and probably grammar shit
[11:17:31] * SirFinkus wonders if programs like MS word handle it
[11:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently they're all good for being matched in regexs as digits but not for using in math.
[11:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;klingon stupid perl
[11:19:57] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard: QIp perl ( )
[11:26:15] <SirFinkus> I think it crashed
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[11:31:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, got it figgered out. i can now count and math in japanese
[11:32:13] <SirFinkus> impressive
[11:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;klingon 1 + 5
[11:33:15] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard: 1 5 ( )
[11:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't appear to be klingon mappings for numbers though
[11:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;klingon one
[11:33:52] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard: wa' ()
[11:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;klingon one two three
[11:33:59] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard: wa' cha' wej ( )
[11:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i'm still not sure what's up with the copyright symbol
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[11:37:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;klingon ninety-nine red baloons, floating in the summer sky
[11:37:35] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard: ninety-Hut petaQ baloons, 'ej Dunbogh jom qaStaHvIS poH tuj bI'reS chal (- )
[11:38:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, now i wanna hear someone who can actually speak klingon translate that song.
[11:42:12] <SirFinkus> !
[11:42:17] <SirFinkus> It finished!
[11:47:22] <SirFinkus> should I add the 2MB file?
[11:58:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> Anybody here know anything about XCode on Macs?
[11:59:13] <SirFinkus> not much, but I've used it
[11:59:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> It won't start on this Mac I've got on my desk... Something about "Symbol not found: _NSAllocateObject"
[11:59:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> Googling that part of the error message didn't lead immediately to anything that looked useful.
[12:00:00] <SirFinkus> nasty, you running a preview build or something?
[12:00:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Announces "Optane"-Brand 3D XPoint SSDs and DIMMs for 2016 - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-"Optene"-or-maybe-"Optyne"
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[12:02:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm not sure but I doubt it; this machine was on one of our QA tester's desks until I got asked to make sure that we could work with Appium (mobile app testing tool) on MacOS.
[12:04:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> I guess I'll try updating Xcode...when John gets in so that I can the administrator info for the machine off of him.
[12:04:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> Can't get Appium installed without it anyway.
[12:04:35] <crutchy> ;socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[12:04:35] <MrPlow> TheMightyBuzzard, you're a socialist!
[12:04:54] * crutchy passes guinea pig cage assembly 101
[12:05:10] <CoolHand> coffee++
[12:05:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1588
[12:05:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:05:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1589
[12:05:31] <crutchy> coffee++ # last of the day is a bucket :)
[12:05:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1590
[12:05:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> buckets++
[12:05:41] <Bender> karma - buckets: 4
[12:07:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> crutchy: that means your guinea pig didn't escape yet, right?
[12:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need something to do or badness shall ensue
[12:07:48] <Subsentient> Morning
[12:07:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, mornin
[12:07:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> caffeine++
[12:07:57] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 73
[12:07:58] <Subsentient> $time MST
[12:07:59] <aqu4> Fri 2015-08-21 04:30:05 AM MST
[12:08:04] <Subsentient> WOW
[12:08:04] <CoolHand> g'morning Subsentient
[12:08:06] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, p0rn
[12:08:07] <Subsentient> that clock is wrong
[12:08:18] <crutchy> ~time mst
[12:08:24] <exec> Friday, 21 August 2015 @ 2:08 pm GMT+2 - Maastricht, Netherlands
[12:08:29] <crutchy> :/
[12:08:43] <crutchy> what does mst stand for?
[12:08:57] <Subsentient> the rtc on my server must be going bad
[12:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> mountain standard time. should be utc-6 right now
[12:09:05] <Subsentient> $time MST
[12:09:06] <aqu4> Fri 2015-08-21 05:09:05 AM MST
[12:09:09] <Subsentient> there
[12:09:10] <crutchy> ~time mountain standard time
[12:09:11] <Subsentient> that's correct
[12:09:11] <exec> Friday, 21 August 2015 @ 6:09 am MT - Mountain Time
[12:09:39] <Subsentient> crutchy: We have no daylight savings here. We're always UTC-7
[12:09:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> US is on daylight saving until....November, I think.
[12:09:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, newp, should be 6:08
[12:09:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> $time EDT
[12:09:54] <aqu4> Fri 2015-08-21 12:09:54 PM EDT
[12:09:59] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: We have no daylight savings here
[12:10:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's not right.
[12:10:06] <Subsentient> $time America/Phoenix
[12:10:07] <aqu4> Fri 2015-08-21 05:10:07 AM America/Phoenix
[12:10:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, the whole zone?
[12:10:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> $time ET
[12:10:11] <aqu4> Fri 2015-08-21 12:10:11 PM ET
[12:10:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> TheMightyBuzzard: No, just Arizona - except the Native American reservations.
[12:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean i know NM and AZ don't do it but thought the northerner states did
[12:10:35] <crutchy> thats why i use google. fuck trying to make all that crap work myself
[12:10:37] * AndyTheAbsurd has friends in Phoenix.
[12:11:05] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Arizona has no daylight savings. Other states in our zone use MDT and observe daylight savings. Arizona does not.
[12:11:07] * TheMightyBuzzard is of the opinion that DST needs to diaf
[12:11:51] * SirFinkus agrees
[12:11:57] * AndyTheAbsurd agrees wholeheartedly with TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:01] * CoolHand agrees also
[12:12:02] <SirFinkus> fucking stupid
[12:12:07] * Subsentient hates DST
[12:12:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow, you need some new functionality
[12:12:21] * CoolHand lived in a state that agreed for a long time, then finally caved like stupid idiots
[12:12:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> actually I don't care if we go to standard time or daylight time permanently - JUST STOP FUCKING WITH IT.
[12:12:33] <SirFinkus> exactly
[12:14:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;weather
[12:14:08] <MrPlow> Today: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High 86F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph. Tomorrow: Mostly sunny in the morning then increasing clouds with some scattered thunderstorms later in the day. High 86F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 50%.
[12:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> not bad, not bad at all.
[12:15:07] * Subsentient wonders if he should stick a SubLinux kernel into his server to see if it was a kernel problem
[12:15:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly get me in trouble if i tied MrPlow directly into the db. guess i'll have to write some api calls for him.
[12:15:47] <Subsentient> Running Fedora 22, here's the kernel I am using: 3.15.10-201.fc20.i686
[12:15:53] <Subsentient> newer Fedora kernels had a beef with my NIC
[12:16:12] <Subsentient> Poor server
[12:16:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, forgot grub managed to get itself hosed somehow. had to boot off a usb key yesterday
[12:17:32] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[12:18:20] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: use syslinux
[12:18:22] <Subsentient> I fucking hate grub
[12:18:45] <Subsentient> Wish me luck. I'm rebooting the server into a SubLinux 2 kernel.
[12:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> syslinux is a pita
[12:18:51] <Subsentient> Should work, but you never know.
[12:19:00] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: syslinux is really easy. I'll show you later
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[12:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> grub1 was teh shat. i miss it.
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[12:21:38] <Subsentient> [root@WiseMan ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release;uname -r
[12:21:40] <Subsentient> Fedora release 22 (Twenty Two)
[12:21:42] <Subsentient> 4.1.6-SubLinux-08-19-2015-Big.i586.PAE
[12:21:44] <Subsentient> [root@WiseMan ~]#
[12:21:46] <Subsentient> yay
[12:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, i know how to use syslinux but i prefer something that i don't have to write to the boot sector every time i change something. just change a config file and reboot.
[12:23:37] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: you don't man! You just change the file!
[12:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya?
[12:23:58] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: For example, extlinux -i /boot && nano /boot/extlinux.conf is your basic setup
[12:24:00] <Subsentient> after that
[12:24:06] <Subsentient> you just edit the file to change stuff
[12:24:16] <Subsentient> I'll give you the ENTIRE config for my server's syslinux
[12:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, thought ya hadda rerun it
[12:24:32] <Subsentient> [root@WiseMan ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release;uname -r
[12:24:32] <Subsentient> Fedora release 22 (Twenty Two)
[12:24:32] <Subsentient> 4.1.6-SubLinux-08-19-2015-Big.i586.PAE
[12:24:32] <Subsentient> [root@WiseMan ~]# cat /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf
[12:24:33] <Subsentient> default fedora
[12:24:37] <Subsentient> label fedora
[12:24:39] <Subsentient> kernel /vmlinuz
[12:24:41] <Subsentient> append ro root=/dev/sda2 3 nomodeset apm=off
[12:24:43] <Subsentient> [root@WiseMan ~]#
[12:24:45] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: And that's it
[12:25:04] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: syslinux is a delightful little bootloader.
[12:25:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> may do that
[12:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> say, you still doing the editing thing?
[12:25:34] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Notes: make sure the partition is set as active and it's probably best to write mbr.bin from syslinux to /dev/sda
[12:25:47] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, but not extensively. I work on stories from time to time
[12:26:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> wanna fix the title on https://soylentnews.org ?
[12:26:08] <mrjuggsteehee> ^ 03SN article: Wither OpenOffice? 04(29 comments)
[12:26:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be Whither
[12:26:20] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, I was wondering if anyone would get mad?
[12:26:37] <SirFinkus> yeah, people did
[12:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, folks like it when eds make a mistake. gives em something to point and laugh at.
[12:27:37] <CoolHand> I could fix it also if Subsentient doesn't want to..
[12:27:45] <Subsentient> CoolHand: I got it
[12:27:46] <Subsentient> sec
[12:27:49] <CoolHand> cool
[12:27:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, forgot you was staff
[12:28:00] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: ok done
[12:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers, yo
[12:28:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[12:28:54] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: eh?
[12:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> just needed an h added to wither not changed the word to Die
[12:29:13] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I think it works better.
[12:29:21] <Subsentient> Doesn't make people have a double take.
[12:29:47] * TheMightyBuzzard shakes his head
[12:30:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> goofy eds
[12:30:04] * Subsentient sticks out his cute little rat tongue at TheMightyBuzzard
[12:30:20] <CoolHand> heck.. I liked it like it was.. it provoked discussion anyway... :)
[12:31:16] <crutchy> lol @ mrjuggsteehee
[12:31:16] <Subsentient> CoolHand: Editing flaws aren't the kind of thing you want around to provoke discussion.
[12:31:54] <CoolHand> agreed.. I'm just in the camp of it not being a flaw, but rather a clever play on words
[12:31:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i needa find a working microphone too. got some online dnd to play this weekend.
[12:32:20] * Subsentient sticks out his cute little rat tongue at CoolHand
[12:32:48] <CoolHand> "whither whatever" is a phrase asking where it is, but instead, inserting a homophone of wither asking if it should die is, I think, pretty clever.. some people got it, some didn't..
[12:33:27] <Subsentient> CoolHand: It wasn't obvious enough and made people go "ehh?"
[12:34:03] <CoolHand> Subsentient: yeah, all the aspies can't handle that sort of thing I guess... :)
[12:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i musta updated my kernel last week is why the mic wasn't working. peachy now.
[12:35:07] <Subsentient> Anyone use Gentoo or something and need an initramfs for it to boot off of ext4 by label instead of by device?
[12:35:13] <Subsentient> I had to make one for a friend yesterday
[12:35:41] <Subsentient> uses e2label to get the labels for all disks
[12:35:52] <Subsentient> for example, ro root=LABEL:SubLinuxPortable
[12:38:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i go by uuid. saves headaches.
[12:38:34] <Subsentient> I myself just prefer labels.
[12:38:50] <Subsentient> But, on my own systems I don't use an initramfs at all.
[12:39:22] <Subsentient> just root=/dev/sda1
[12:40:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't really need one but i let the thing build itself when a new kernel installs anyway cause it's not hurting anything.
[12:40:52] <Subsentient> meh, takes more ram and slows the boot process.
[12:42:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i only do that like once a week
[12:42:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> some things just ain't worth optimizing away
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[12:45:53] <SirFinkus> my word counter is one of those things
[12:46:19] <SirFinkus> although I might try it, I've always wanted to mess around with databases
[12:46:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> databases is easy
[12:47:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> sqlite is unpainful if you wanna give it a go
[12:47:29] <SirFinkus> I figure most of the trouble is deciding how you want to organize stuff
[12:47:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[12:47:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> which ain't really that difficult. you can always go back and change things.
[12:47:58] <SirFinkus> I've played a little with a few, I think I used couch
[12:48:48] <SirFinkus> no, mongodb
[12:48:59] <SirFinkus> just messing with the command line tools
[12:50:19] <SirFinkus> oh oh! I could do use it for my slot machine project
[12:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i generally go with sqlite cause i don't have to really change any syntax from mysql, which i use a lot.
[12:50:46] <SirFinkus> fuck it, I'll use that
[12:50:46] <ciri> I hope you outlive your children.
[12:51:07] <SirFinkus> "first db mentioned in irc" is as good a reason as any
[12:51:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[12:52:22] <SirFinkus> it's evolved from a calculator, to a spreadsheet, now a wip progress command line app
[12:52:40] <SirFinkus> current, I'm just dumping the stuff to a text file
[12:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[12:53:37] <SirFinkus> only 500 entries, so performance isn't an issue yet
[12:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all fine and good for small things but a db is generally gonna be somewhat faster
[12:53:44] <SirFinkus> it was fast
[12:53:52] <SirFinkus> I mean, to write
[12:55:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, forgot i used sqlite in MrPlow
[12:56:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;seen crutchy
[12:56:15] <MrPlow> Fri Aug 21 12:31:16 2015 on #Soylent: lol @ mrjuggsteehee
[12:56:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now he just saves the last thing anyone said
[12:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and a datestamp
[12:57:25] <SirFinkus> there is something appealing about text files though
[12:58:07] * SirFinkus teas himself
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[12:58:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> moo
[12:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~moo
[12:59:04] <exec> (__)
[12:59:04] <exec> (oo)
[12:59:04] <exec> /------\/
[12:59:04] <exec> / | ||
[12:59:04] <exec> * /\---/\
[12:59:05] <exec> ~~ ~~
[12:59:06] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[13:00:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Die, OpenOffice? - http://sylnt.us - fighting-over-office-space
[13:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> something's wrong with my brain. it keeps wanting to 99 luftballons
[13:01:39] <SirFinkus> it is a pretty decent song
[13:01:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but not eight or ten times in a row
[13:01:57] <CoolHand> neun-und-neunzig luftballons is better
[13:01:58] <SirFinkus> like, guilty pleasure
[13:02:20] <CoolHand> oh wait, you said that. I thought you said the american 99 red ballons
[13:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, german version ftw
[13:02:47] <SirFinkus> I'm a sucker for lyrical dissonance
[13:03:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, i don't do guilt. i'll straight up say i like it but i generally don't wanna listen to it for over an hour.
[13:03:45] <SirFinkus> not literally
[13:04:17] <SirFinkus> it's just one of the few areas where my musical tastes intersect with stuff people have heard of
[13:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, you a hipster now?
[13:04:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> liking everything before it's cool?
[13:04:54] <SirFinkus> I can't think of a way to make that not sound super douchy
[13:04:58] <CowSoy> we are all hipsters now. we're on IRC for pete sakes
[13:05:00] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we're luddites. stuck with old tech because new hasn't proven itself yet.
[13:05:36] <SirFinkus> it's more like I never liked music as a kid
[13:06:00] <SirFinkus> and heard a song I liked, put it in pandora, and the rest is history
[13:06:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[13:06:25] <SirFinkus> so I have a weird way of finding new music
[13:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i finally trained pandora to play only zz top and good blues
[13:06:49] <SirFinkus> I just discovered black sabbath like 2 years ago
[13:06:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> woah
[13:06:56] <SirFinkus> they don't have enough songs
[13:07:26] <SirFinkus> all I knew of them before was paranoid, which I don't think is one of their stronger songs
[13:07:44] * SirFinkus is listening to Graveyard — Uncomfortably Numb, from the album Hisingen Blues
[13:07:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig fairies wear boots
[13:07:57] <SirFinkus> I've been listening to this on repeat all day
[13:08:01] <SirFinkus> good blues
[13:08:07] <SirFinkus> Warning is godly
[13:10:31] <SirFinkus> pandora is good because it focuses in musical similarity rather than the "people who like x like y" which trends to dissimilar, but more popular music
[13:10:59] <SirFinkus> it just seems like every time I load it up it ends up playing songs I've already heard 400 times before
[13:12:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> just like the radio
[13:12:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, feelin me some nicotine
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[13:31:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Say Humans are an Unsustainable (Super)Predator - http://sylnt.us - we-are-number-one
[13:31:58] <crutchy> wow they done figured that all by them own selfs eh?
[13:32:07] <crutchy> gosh science is so smrt
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[13:37:25] <prospectacle> unsustainable in what time frame
[13:37:38] <prospectacle> I mean if we can keep it up for a million more years I'm cool with that
[13:37:54] <prospectacle> it's not ideal; but nothing lasts forever
[13:52:09] <SirFinkus> really though, everything is unsustainable
[13:52:35] <SirFinkus> according to the laws of thermodynamics
[13:54:30] <prospectacle> yes
[13:54:57] * crutchy tries his darndest to reverse the effects of entropy by organising his desk at work neatly, but people keep fucking piling up shit on it
[13:55:00] <prospectacle> So what does it mean to say something is unsustainable. I don't think it's very helpful without some specific frame or context
[13:55:44] <crutchy> i guess everything is relative
[13:56:48] <crutchy> a wise man once said... "humans are a disease, a cancer of this planet. [we] are a plague"
[13:57:19] <crutchy> he had some awesome sunnies
[13:57:26] <crutchy> and kicked arse
[13:57:35] <SirFinkus> I'll worry about it once we figure that pesky "biological immortality" thing out
[13:57:36] <prospectacle> there's no way we could kill the planet
[13:58:01] <prospectacle> we might make 99% of life extinct, but that kind of thing happens all the time
[13:58:21] <crutchy> a few years ago there was no way i could ever fill up a 3gb hard disk either
[13:58:22] <prospectacle> it's no biggie
[13:59:04] <prospectacle> if filling your hard disk 80% of the caused the computer to break, then you never would have filled it up.
[13:59:22] <prospectacle> if we wiped out 80% of life on earth we'd almost certainly die ourselves from all the complications
[13:59:43] <prospectacle> it might be higher than 80% but it's not 100%
[14:00:00] <crutchy> we might do something dumb like knock the planet out of its nice comfy orbit
[14:00:07] <prospectacle> I guess so
[14:00:24] <prospectacle> that would be pretty hard though, wouldn't it. I mean how much energy would that take?
[14:00:36] <crutchy> a fair few nukes i'd say
[14:00:44] <crutchy> like... thousands
[14:00:46] <prospectacle> I would think so
[14:01:36] <crutchy> but if say 2000 nukes hit one spot (i'm not suggesting washington dc) that might have a small effect
[14:02:27] <crutchy> or it might not need any nukes
[14:02:50] <prospectacle> I guess so. It's not impossible you're right. This is not like cancer though. Cancer slowly takes over resources until the host dies completely. We can't do that. If we used up too many resources we'd die ourselves and then all the bacteria would have a field day and start evolving into all kinds of interesting new life forms.
[14:02:53] <crutchy> who knows what monstrosities we'll invent
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[14:03:19] <prospectacle> Such a party they would have
[14:03:45] <crutchy> or an super race of intelligent robots
[14:03:54] <crutchy> *a
[14:04:24] <prospectacle> What I don't understand about sustainability, is why we're focusing on a few degrees warming over a century (which is probably catastrophic but sounds small and long term) when breathing the air in china is like smoking 40 cigarettes a day, right now
[14:04:43] <prospectacle> If we focused on clean air to breathe into our own lungs, the whole global-warming thing would take care of itself
[14:05:29] <crutchy> china is a big problem too, but its also a long term problem. if china's industrial capacity was shut down overnight, much of the western would would die of starvation
[14:05:31] <prospectacle> lets use electric cars because breathing carbon monoxide is bad for our health, not because our great grandchildren will have beaches further inland
[14:06:00] <crutchy> we have come to depend on china
[14:06:04] <prospectacle> lets use wind-turbines and solar power because the running costs are cheaper
[14:06:07] <prospectacle> true we have
[14:06:11] <prospectacle> that's just what they wanted
[14:06:13] <prospectacle> it's pretty clever
[14:06:15] <prospectacle> a bit scary
[14:06:21] <crutchy> damn that sun tzu
[14:06:39] <prospectacle> yeah he plays the long game
[14:07:34] <crutchy> i like solar, but i live near something in the order of 2500 MW of base load coal generation capacity. a decent wind turbine is in the order of about 50 MW
[14:08:07] <prospectacle> well you can put more than one turbine in an area
[14:08:09] <crutchy> hmm. or less. that doesn't seem right
[14:08:43] <prospectacle> it's about 2 mw
[14:08:53] <crutchy> hmm yeah that sound more right
[14:09:12] <prospectacle> but often a forest of these turbines will have a hundred or so
[14:09:35] <prospectacle> you need to take up more space than a goal plant, that's true, but what about the coal mines, and other indirect land-use
[14:09:42] <prospectacle> coal refineries, etc
[14:09:56] <crutchy> even so, you'd need over 1200 of them to make up the 4 stations near me
[14:10:06] <crutchy> (wind turbine)
[14:10:24] <prospectacle> yes, so say 12 forests. Make it 20. This is a big country, we've got space
[14:10:37] <prospectacle> And once they're build the running costs are much lower
[14:10:44] <prospectacle> kw/hr are cheaper
[14:10:59] <crutchy> so it starts getting bigger, with more infrastructure, and more maintenance. more expensive
[14:11:19] <crutchy> not necessairly more expenisve than coal, but not 'free'
[14:11:21] <prospectacle> from what I've read it's substantially cheaper than coal
[14:11:34] <prospectacle> only difference is coal plants have been built already, so that cost isn't required
[14:11:45] <prospectacle> but eventually coal plans reach end of life and you either build a new one or you build something else
[14:12:46] <crutchy> i'd like to see it, but i have trouble imagining renewables making up any substantial fraction of base load demand
[14:12:53] <crutchy> for now
[14:13:04] <prospectacle> Well base is a flexible thing
[14:13:13] <crutchy> coal is just too plentiful here
[14:13:31] <crutchy> i live on the largest brown coal seam on earth apparently
[14:13:41] <crutchy> and its just below ground
[14:13:57] <prospectacle> A lot of things are done immediately, because coal is coal, but if most things were wind or solar, we could set our water heaters to boil when power was high, and if they're insulated they'll keep the heat for when we need it
[14:14:13] <prospectacle> heating and cooling are the biggest costs by far, for a house
[14:14:21] <crutchy> a lot of houses are getting solar installations, which is good
[14:14:50] <prospectacle> with a well-insulated house you could heat or cool when power is at peak generation, and the insulation can keep the house at that temperature for the rest of the day
[14:14:58] <prospectacle> I agree, solar seems to be getting very cheap
[14:15:03] <crutchy> i'd like to, but still very expensive for my old dog box
[14:15:29] <crutchy> lifetime of solar panels isn't awesome either\
[14:15:41] <crutchy> about 10-15 years or something
[14:15:44] <prospectacle> my house is old and has terrible insulation.
[14:15:48] <crutchy> same
[14:16:19] <crutchy> i use a lot of gas in winter
[14:16:21] <prospectacle> But it's kind of like when a comapny decides to cut lots of staff. They can fire people (painful) or just not hire new people when old people move on (painless)
[14:16:43] <prospectacle> if we just make sure new houses are well insulated, and new power plans are "green", it should be pretty effective
[14:16:57] <crutchy> the government isn't beuilding new base load stations quick enough. its gunna hurt in a few years
[14:17:21] <crutchy> hazelwood is old. maintaining it is gunna jack up the cost of power in victoria
[14:17:29] <crutchy> a lot
[14:17:41] <prospectacle> rude
[14:18:12] <prospectacle> It's a petty they haven't properly amortised that kind of thing so the cost is smooth
[14:18:45] <prospectacle> but we have three to five year governments, so I guess what can you expect
[14:18:52] <crutchy> as much as coal is dirty and nasty, without it most would have to kiss their tvs and computers goodbye
[14:19:15] <prospectacle> well not really
[14:19:30] <prospectacle> mostly it would be air conditoning
[14:19:56] <prospectacle> computers use far less power per calculation than ever before, and so do screens (compared to say crt or plasma)
[14:20:20] <crutchy> if coal power stations were shutdown permanently, the cost of power would skyrocket. only wealthy people would be able to afford it
[14:21:24] <prospectacle> true, but computers don't need baseload power as they can use batteries and are relatively low power
[14:21:33] <prospectacle> my heater is 2kw, my computer is 100w
[14:21:45] <prospectacle> and this is a little fan-heater I'm talking about
[14:21:49] <crutchy> your screen?
[14:21:51] <prospectacle> and a big powerful gaming laptop
[14:21:56] <crutchy> oh
[14:22:01] <prospectacle> my screen I don't know but I can just watch tv on the computer
[14:22:04] <prospectacle> if necessary
[14:22:09] <crutchy> cost of internet would go up too
[14:22:13] <crutchy> actually everything would
[14:22:27] <prospectacle> yes, everything would but the power intensive stuff moreso.
[14:22:43] <crutchy> refrigeration
[14:22:52] <prospectacle> but everyone would just install solar hot water
[14:23:15] <crutchy> with increased demand comes higher prices
[14:23:27] <prospectacle> yes refrigeration. That's true. We'd have to get creative
[14:23:47] <prospectacle> small, well insulated fridges would be the norm
[14:23:53] <crutchy> eskies :D
[14:24:00] <prospectacle> yeah
[14:24:03] <crutchy> it might be like camping
[14:24:08] <crutchy> camping is awesome
[14:24:12] <prospectacle> or as the kiwis call them, chilli bins
[14:24:15] <prospectacle> chilly
[14:24:42] <crutchy> i better go to bed i guess
[14:24:53] <prospectacle> ok enjoy
[14:24:58] <prospectacle> anything fun on weekend?
[14:25:01] <crutchy> good to catch up
[14:25:06] <crutchy> nah just a quiet one
[14:25:15] <crutchy> hopefully :p
[14:25:28] <prospectacle> sounds good
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[17:46:04] <mechanicjay> oof, I need to calm down a bit.
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[19:43:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> What do you people think about the idea of an app that uses MMS to enable touch-to-talk/walkie-talking style communication?
[20:24:37] <mechanicjay> I thought the touch-to-talk idea was pretty dead.
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[22:28:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1591
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[22:49:46] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[22:49:48] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! BadCoderFinger
[22:50:06] <BadCoderFinger> I think ciri's grammar may be a bit off.
[22:54:20] <crutchy> heh
[22:54:25] <crutchy> g'day BadCoderFinger
[23:00:11] <BadCoderFinger> Hey crutchy! How are you?
[23:01:01] <crutchy> not bad. saturday morning on the couch with a coffee, listening to skrillex and contemplating coding some sort of test computer player for irciv
[23:01:13] <crutchy> not sure how i'll go. never coded any sort of ai before
[23:02:03] <BadCoderFinger> Doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
[23:02:43] <crutchy> i want a test ai to help me develop the attack algo
[23:03:00] <crutchy> very slow to test manually
[23:03:25] <crutchy> it probably doesn't need to be very intelligent
[23:04:13] <crutchy> just needs pathfinding. all it will do is move its units towards the other players initially
[23:04:23] <BadCoderFinger> Start small, work on complexity.
[23:04:43] <crutchy> (i'll give it access to other player locations so it will be cheating a bit)
[23:05:39] <crutchy> eventually i might enable fog for it too, and develop some sort of finite state algorithm