#Soylent | Logs for 2015-10-08

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[00:27:05] <CruiseMissile> Spays... the fine ale front ear.
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[00:33:20] <chromas> Poor kitty
[00:37:30] <CruiseMissile> thees hart the vogue ages hove ha starts hip Interpet rise; hits fie veer miss eon: two ex-floor stray gnu whorls, two sea cow newt light hand newt civil Asians, two bowl Leo wear Norman his gown be fur.
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[00:39:11] <chromas> that's a pretty good password
[00:39:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess it was easy to tell who was using znc today
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[00:46:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder wtf happened to bender n znc
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[00:46:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup ef
[00:46:35] <Ethanol-fueled> they eloped together.
[00:46:38] <Ethanol-fueled> sup buzzid
[00:46:57] * Ethanol-fueled sinks back into the shadows to creepily watch conversation
[00:47:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> vaguely curious as to why services are crashing on beryllium but not enough to troubleshoot them
[00:47:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> just enough to restart them
[00:47:39] <CruiseMissile> sic bytram on it
[00:48:27] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[00:49:04] <Ethanol-fueled> who's bender's baby again?
[00:49:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> son of a bitch we got a lot of apache workers going
[00:52:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Apache -- the culturally-appropriated web-server.
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[01:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> better, all caffeinated and nicotined up
[01:18:56] <cmn32480> buzzard - I bet that bytram broke it!
[01:19:12] <CruiseMissile> cmn32480: that's the spirit!
[01:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, you're probably right. bloody Bytram
[01:19:38] <cmn32480> Iknow... right???
[01:19:55] <cmn32480> no, CruiseMissile, the spriti woudl be if I was a ghost
[01:20:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> or any good scotch.
[01:20:20] <CruiseMissile> g-g-g-ghost! Jeepers!
[01:20:25] <cmn32480> BOOO!
[01:20:32] <cmn32480> I was on beer downstairs
[01:20:49] <CruiseMissile> I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those crazy kids!
[01:20:57] * CruiseMissile pulls off the mask and reveals...
[01:20:58] <cmn32480> and if I wasn't married, I'da been on the bartender....
[01:21:00] CruiseMissile is now known as SpallsHurgenson
[01:21:06] <cmn32480> [SpallsHurgenson
[01:21:15] <cmn32480> shocker!
[01:21:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should start your own bar. one with blackjack and hookers. in fact, forget the bar.
[01:21:58] <cmn32480> if it was hookers and blow.. I coudl start th bar with me and my cats.
[01:22:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> just get another one and name it blackjack
[01:22:31] <cmn32480> wife wants me to get rid of these two.
[01:22:39] <cmn32480> I bring home another one and I think she'll kill me
[01:23:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, wives are never understanding about hookers and blow
[01:23:58] <cmn32480> nor hot bartenders
[01:25:00] <cmn32480> ah well.... back to the real workd
[01:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, back to tv and mountain dew for me
[01:26:17] <cmn32480> yeah... gotta answer a shitton of email from today
[01:26:27] <cmn32480> maybe edit a few stories
[01:36:33] <Bytram> !uid
[01:36:33] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5900, owned by Bethany.Saint
[01:36:39] <Bytram> lol
[01:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice round one
[01:37:59] <cmn32480> holy moly!
[01:38:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> 100 to go and we crack 6k
[01:38:21] <cmn32480> only 18+mos later...
[01:38:25] <cmn32480> so far so good
[01:38:30] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[01:39:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:39:48] <cmn32480> on average.. I think that is like 300 users signing up per month...
[01:40:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm in no rush. we're in the black less than three years in which is not to be expected in any new business.
[01:40:07] <cmn32480> though I think that is heavily weighted toward the front end of the 18mos
[01:40:09] <Bytram> yeh, but heavily skewed to the site starting up.
[01:40:21] <Bytram> ninja'd
[01:40:24] <cmn32480> ninja'd!
[01:40:34] <Bytram> jinx quit!
[01:40:37] <Bytram> =)
[01:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> one for each of yas
[01:40:42] <cmn32480> bptbptbptpbtpbptpbtp!
[01:40:46] <Bytram> lol
[01:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i need a beer not a freakin soda
[01:41:19] <cmn32480> I had several... now I can't remember what I was gonna do....
[01:41:39] <Bytram> ummm, drink?
[01:41:39] * cmn32480 blinks.... and still can't remember
[01:41:53] <cmn32480> the bartender maybe?
[01:42:43] <cmn32480> i dunno
[01:42:50] <cmn32480> I'lls tart with a cup of coffee or tea
[01:44:59] <cmn32480> you have a nice day off Bytram?
[01:45:18] <Bytram> here's the count of new accounts added, and the year-month in which they were added, since the site started up:
[01:45:21] <Bytram> 3529 2014-02
[01:45:22] <Bytram> 477 2014-03
[01:45:22] <Bytram> 263 2014-04
[01:45:22] <Bytram> 142 2014-05
[01:45:22] <Bytram> 84 2014-06
[01:45:22] <Bytram> 87 2014-07
[01:45:24] <Bytram> 91 2014-08
[01:45:26] <Bytram> 87 2014-09
[01:45:30] <Bytram> 89 2014-10
[01:45:32] <Bytram> 55 2014-11
[01:45:34] <Bytram> 57 2014-12
[01:45:36] <Bytram> 72 2015-01
[01:45:38] <Bytram> 104 2015-02
[01:45:40] <Bytram> 41 2015-03
[01:45:42] <Bytram> 56 2015-04
[01:45:44] <Bytram> 53 2015-05
[01:45:46] <Bytram> 332 2015-06
[01:45:48] <Bytram> 159 2015-07
[01:45:50] <Bytram> 59 2015-08
[01:45:52] <Bytram> 50 2015-09
[01:45:54] <Bytram> 12 2015-10
[01:46:05] <cmn32480> where do you get this kind of information?
[01:46:10] <Bytram> =)
[01:46:12] <SpallsHurgenson> anyone having numbers stations flashbacks?
[01:46:20] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:47:37] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[01:47:38] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people ( https://soylentnews.org )
[01:47:44] <cmn32480> btpbptptbptpbtppbtpbtpbtpbtpbtpb!
[01:48:16] * SpallsHurgenson clutches his head and moans, "Reznov is dead, Reznov is dead..."
[01:48:19] <cmn32480> gah... that isn't the right one
[01:48:25] <Bytram> cmn32480: I coded up something that used TMB's SN API and obtained the latest UID. Then starting from the last pull, I retrieved UID nick, and date-added data and added those to my collection.
[01:48:39] <Bytram> afer that, it's a simple bit of scripting to gather the totals.
[01:49:08] <cmn32480> you wrote code.... CHEATER!!!!!
[01:49:24] <Bytram> guilty as charged, your honor.
[01:50:25] <SpallsHurgenson> yay for walled gardens! ;-/ http://www.eurogamer.net
[01:50:26] <systemd> ^ 03Apple is removing games from people's purchase history Eurogamer.net
[01:50:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'okay. now that he's got a working linux distro and can set up a local git repo, he's gonna hafta fix bugs instead of just finding em.
[01:51:07] <Bytram> ooooh... this looks interesting: http://rss.computerworld.com
[01:51:08] <systemd> ^ 03Dell said to be in talks with EMC over possible huge merger | Computerworld ( http://www.computerworld.com )
[01:51:44] <cmn32480> Dell has been pushng EMC for years, not really surprising
[01:52:16] <cmn32480> oooh bytram got a linux distro running?
[01:52:21] <cmn32480> when did that happen?
[01:52:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: linux yes. could set up local git repo, yes. Know how to do it? not a clue.
[01:52:39] <cmn32480> before ZNC crashed today? and I missed the play by play (WOOHOO!)?
[01:52:43] <Bytram> it's in a VM
[01:52:54] <Bytram> VirtualBox
[01:53:04] <cmn32480> same one I suggested
[01:53:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i'll get ya some destructions when i get home
[01:53:08] <Bytram> ZNC crashed?
[01:53:12] <cmn32480> BOOM!
[01:53:15] <Bytram> much appreciated!
[01:53:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes
[01:53:19] <cmn32480> TMB restarted tehm
[01:53:24] <Bytram> btw, did you get to see 'The Martian'?
[01:53:28] <cmn32480> that's why we had no scroll back
[01:53:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> bender n znc went kerblooie
[01:53:38] <Bytram> oh, okay.
[01:53:43] <Bytram> ouchie.
[01:53:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, going tomorrow instead
[01:54:39] <Bytram> I saw it today, unlike you I had NOT read the book. a couple minor continuity issues, but found it quite enjoyable. I'm glad I went.
[01:54:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[01:55:20] <cmn32480> coffee++
[01:55:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1718
[01:55:32] <cmn32480> at least bender only stopped workign and didn't lose all his data
[01:56:01] <Bytram> matinée showing; maybe 10 people in the theater and I was in the fifth row or so with nobody in front of me and the screen took up nearly the entire field-of-view.
[01:56:13] <cmn32480> nice
[01:56:26] <Bytram> Agreed!
[01:56:28] <cmn32480> I was wandering a warehouse
[01:56:52] <Bytram> was almost like having a private movie theater!
[01:57:39] <Bytram> was almost too close; the digital artifacts were apparent in the text of the before-movie promos/ads. But, after the movies started, i really didn't notice them.
[01:58:07] <Bytram> gonna put some food in the microwave; back in a couple minutes.
[01:58:09] <Bytram> afk
[01:58:30] <SirFinkus> HYDRAZINE
[02:00:16] <cmn32480> ach shit
[02:00:24] <cmn32480> need to send flowers to the wife for delivery tomorrow
[02:00:55] <SpallsHurgenson> is THAT how babys are born?
[02:01:27] <cmn32480> no...
[02:01:36] <cmn32480> but we been married 10 years
[02:01:46] <cmn32480> and I'm traveling.
[02:01:52] <cmn32480> so no other options
[02:02:07] <SpallsHurgenson> after ten years with the same woman, I'd be traveling too :)
[02:02:19] <Bytram> tomorrow is your 10 year anniversary?
[02:02:26] <cmn32480> yup
[02:02:36] <Bytram> wedding? or of first meeting each other?
[02:02:37] <cmn32480> and I am on the road
[02:02:54] <Bytram> no chance of skipping out, eh?
[02:03:26] <cmn32480> trying to get out by nooon
[02:03:28] <Bytram> or, of her getting a sitter for the kids and her joining you?
[02:03:32] <Bytram> nodnod
[02:04:14] <Bytram> BTW, looks like we've got on the order of 8300 stories published so far.
[02:04:22] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, a nooner! I've seen movies that start like that!
[02:04:23] <cmn32480> yes
[02:04:25] <Bytram> hard to tell, that includes the deep-sixed stories, too.
[02:04:43] <cmn32480> close enough
[02:05:51] <cmn32480> excellent. FTD take frequent flyer miles!
[02:06:18] <Bytram> certainly makes sense when I stop to think about it!
[02:06:29] <cmn32480> holy crap... ghostery shows 16 trackers on ftd.com
[02:06:52] <Bytram> didn't ghostery get absorbed/renamed into something else?
[02:07:13] <cmn32480> that was AdBlock
[02:07:38] <Bytram> Oh, I know about THAT one... I'm talking at least a year ago.
[02:07:54] <cmn32480> i don't remember what I ate for breakfast....
[02:11:30] <Bytram> cmn32480: what version of FF are you running? or are you on pale moon?
[02:11:36] <SpallsHurgenson> was it coffee? I bet it was coffee
[02:11:36] <cmn32480> chrime
[02:11:42] <cmn32480> chrome
[02:11:47] <Bytram> freudian slip?
[02:11:51] <cmn32480> same difference... chrome is a crime
[02:12:12] <Bytram> agreed
[02:14:12] <cmn32480> why do you ask?
[02:14:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bad Bosses Inspire Employees to Sabotage Customers - http://sylnt.us - s***-rolls-downhill
[02:14:34] <cmn32480> I keep meaning to play w/ pale moon.... and like Linux, I never quite get around to it
[02:14:42] <Bytram> when I tried to install Ghostery on Pale Moon, got a complaint that it was not compatible.
[02:14:51] <Bytram> was wondering if maybe you had a workaround.
[02:15:02] <cmn32480> ahhhhh
[02:15:04] <cmn32480> no
[02:15:32] <cmn32480> oddly enough.. I'm running chrome and trying to remain anonymous... not sure I I am just deluding myslef
[02:16:20] <Bytram> I was wondering about that... it's like putting a band-aid on the Monty Python "It's just a flesh wound" guy!
[02:21:29] <SpallsHurgenson> there's always chromium
[02:23:50] <Bytram> sounds like the latest 'shiny' :P
[02:25:54] <Yog-Yogguth> I tried chromium, I don't see why people use it
[02:26:02] <Yog-Yogguth> (or chrome)
[02:26:28] <Yog-Yogguth> so what am I missing?
[02:26:55] <Bytram> chrome came with my phone -- seems to work passably well, but I would not have gone out of my way to get it.
[02:26:59] <cmn32480> all that tracking goodness!
[02:28:05] <Bytram> well, gang, I've not slept enough the past few nights... am gonna call it an early night tonight
[02:28:15] <Bytram> hope you all have a great night!
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[02:28:27] <Yog-Yogguth> you too Bytram, sleep well
[02:28:34] <Bytram|away> thanks!
[02:28:38] <cmn32480> sweet dream Bytram|away
[02:29:10] <Bytram|away> thansk!
[02:36:08] <Yog-Yogguth> I think I'll od the same, too tired, cya later :)
[02:36:20] <cmn32480> night Yog-Yogguth
[02:36:26] <cmn32480> sweet dreasm to you too
[02:36:35] <Yog-Yogguth> thanks :)
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[02:39:56] <SpallsHurgenson> I use chromium when I'm too lazy to figure out if its noscript or ublock or disconnect or whatever add-on is preventing a website from loading properly :)
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[02:40:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, ads are bad.
[02:40:30] <chromas> shouldn't you be using ie for that?
[02:40:49] <SpallsHurgenson> no :)
[02:42:21] <SpallsHurgenson> also no
[02:42:26] <SpallsHurgenson> followed by noooooooooooooo!
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[02:43:02] <cmn32480> meh just use IE6 or IE7...
[02:44:59] * SpallsHurgenson fires up the XP VM
[02:47:57] <SpallsHurgenson> gads, that fisher-price ui...
[02:51:59] <SpallsHurgenson> microsoft ui designers... finally a legitimate reason for jihad
[02:56:04] <cmn32480> maybe for the interface formerly knwon as metro
[02:56:51] <SpallsHurgenson> xp, vista, metro, win10.... their crimes are numerous
[02:57:29] <SpallsHurgenson> Melinda probably has agents working in microsoft; she'll get Bob back in there one way or another
[03:02:45] <cmn32480> time for bed.
[03:02:51] <cmn32480> good night cruel world!
[03:03:13] <cmn32480> and fine soylentils
[03:03:39] * SpallsHurgenson tickles the cruel world
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[07:58:56] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[07:58:56] <systemd> ^ 03BREAKING: Chinese Warplanes Join Russian Airstrikes in Syria! - YouTube
[07:59:17] <crutchy> does anyone know if any of this is supported by the mainstream media?
[07:59:39] <crutchy> seems unlikely that china would send planes to syria
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[08:00:59] <Yog-Yogguth> I know the Chinese did join the Russians naval base in Syria some time ago, perhaps a month ago
[08:01:39] <Yog-Yogguth> so not entirely impossible
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[08:02:29] <Yog-Yogguth> not whit planes as far as I know but those can be moved fairly fast
[08:02:42] <Yog-Yogguth> anyway not away and still away for now :D
[08:02:47] <Yog-Yogguth> not awake*
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[08:21:12] <crutchy> if china joins russia in syria, isis if fucked
[08:21:14] <crutchy> *is
[08:22:08] <crutchy> even hitler couldn't defeat the red army. what hope would a militant organization have defeating two of them?
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[08:59:17] <Yog-Yogguth> I certainly hope you're right crutchy
[09:00:06] <crutchy> of course it means that assad will benefit, which the pentagon won't like, but at least isis will be dead
[09:00:27] <crutchy> but i haven't found enough to believe that china is joining in yet
[09:01:25] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah I don't know either, if they do they would tell
[09:02:30] <Yog-Yogguth> otherwise there wouldn't be much point to it
[09:08:09] <Gravis> china has stated repeatedly that china only cares about china. they are more likely to sell weapons to ISIS than use weapons on them.
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[10:00:54] <crutchy> Gravis, possibly, but china also has strong diplomatic ties with russia
[10:01:06] <crutchy> i doubt it has any diplomatic ties with isis
[10:01:31] <crutchy> maybe it would sell weapons to isis and use weapons on isis, both at the same time :p
[10:01:51] <crutchy> business win and political win
[10:02:46] <crutchy> better than the US strategy of just giving away weapons to isis for free :/
[10:04:10] <crutchy> as much as i think trump would suck as potus, i watched an interview where he talked about some of the deals the US has been making, and he kinda makes a good point that the US has totally lost the ability to negotiate diplomatically
[10:05:08] <crutchy> i guess when your country is nearly $20 trillion in debt its not a strong position to negotiate from
[10:07:20] <Yog-Yogguth> I think I'll be pleasantly surprised if either of the outsiders wins the POTUS but I feel like we've been down this road before and not just once
[10:07:44] * Yog-Yogguth tries to remember old WHitesnake song
[10:09:01] <Yog-Yogguth> still haven't digested Trump being anti TTP and pro Putin (sort of) XD
[10:10:31] <Yog-Yogguth> but then as Ron Paul said Trump is a �dictator�/�boss�
[10:18:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:18:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1719
[10:21:27] <crutchy> .socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[10:21:39] <crutchy> 404
[10:21:50] <crutchy> butt not found
[10:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[10:22:14] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[10:22:50] <crutchy> Yog-Yogguth, yeah i sure as hell wouldn't want trump in charge of my government
[10:23:11] <crutchy> he's a smart guy, but he seems like a shit politician
[10:23:23] <crutchy> s/guy/businessman/
[10:23:24] <sedctl> <crutchy> he's a smart businessman, but he seems like a shit politician
[10:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, exactly
[10:24:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck politicians
[10:25:29] <Yog-Yogguth> I wouldn't vote for him to put it that way
[10:25:31] <crutchy> i also think he's a microeconomics guy. i'm not sure he even know whho john meynard keynes was, or why he was an evil fuck
[10:27:38] <Yog-Yogguth> it's really weird for me but in the US I think I might have ended up with Sanders :O
[10:28:00] * Yog-Yogguth in before the MrPlow
[10:28:57] <Yog-Yogguth> details -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:28:59] <systemd> ^ 03SN comment by [02Yog-Yogguth (1862)] (02Score:2)
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[10:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg. not me, i know the difference between the goodness of charity and the evilness of redistribution of wealth at gunpoint.
[10:33:35] <crutchy> as much as rand is not his dad, he seems like the least worse candidate out of all those running in both parties
[10:34:09] <crutchy> i think if he were potus there might be the silent hand of ron involved anyway
[10:34:47] <crutchy> maybe he could bring his old man out of retirement for secretary of the treasury
[10:35:00] <crutchy> that would fuck the fed right up
[10:35:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm going trump on account of he strikes me as the kind of guy who simply will not play by dc insider rules.
[10:35:58] <crutchy> i think he would play by the trump insider rules
[10:36:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> rand likes to play the rebel but if he didn't play by those rules, he wouldn't be in office still.
[10:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, zactly
[10:36:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> bull in a china closet comes to mind
[10:37:00] * TheMightyBuzzard would enjoy seeing a few career politicians get gored
[10:37:33] <crutchy> he talks tough and confident, but he's yet to convince me that he has any macroeconomic nous
[10:38:27] <crutchy> ron was forecasting all the shit going on today 20 years or more ago
[10:38:31] <crutchy> he knew his shit
[10:38:37] <crutchy> s/ew/ows/
[10:38:37] <sedctl> <crutchy> he knows his shit
[10:39:20] <crutchy> rand is not ron, but it seems like at least some of his dad's economic wisdom has been passed on
[10:39:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, i really don't care how he'd do as POTUS. only that he'd make life hell for beltway insiders.
[10:39:52] <crutchy> how so?
[10:39:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> he can't screw things up any more than the last few.
[10:40:11] <crutchy> he needs to fix shit. not do nothing
[10:40:21] <crutchy> obama is na expert in that
[10:40:33] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs
[10:41:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> asking for a politician in the US to make things better is like asking mommy to kiss your scraped knee all better.
[10:41:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you may get the kiss but it's not gonna get any better
[10:41:36] <crutchy> the problem is that most don't even know how. what worries me is that i think trump is the same
[10:41:52] <crutchy> he talks the talk, but i don't really think he has any idea how to make it happen
[10:42:17] <crutchy> throwing your weight around doesn't work in congress
[10:42:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you look for Good in your politicians. i look for "will break the system"
[10:42:40] <crutchy> i just look for "isn't a retard"
[10:42:54] <crutchy> its a low bar, but hasn't been passed yet
[10:43:00] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[10:43:46] <crutchy> i really like ron paul. your country really fucked up not voting him in. hell if i were an american i'd write in "ron paul" on the ballot
[10:43:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> need nicotine and more coffees.
[10:44:34] <crutchy> actually i might write "ron paul... get that old fucker out of retirement"
[10:45:29] <crutchy> hmm... maybe i should write "ron paul" on the ballot in the next aussie election
[10:45:50] <Yog-Yogguth> heh :)
[10:45:51] <crutchy> he really makes our reps look like total windbags
[10:46:47] <crutchy> i doubt trump will break the system
[10:46:59] <crutchy> he'll just spend most his time complianing on tv like obama
[10:47:05] <crutchy> calling everyone dummies
[10:47:16] <crutchy> instead
[10:47:27] <crutchy> trump is a personality, not a politician
[10:47:36] <Yog-Yogguth> it's already broke(n) isn't it? I think so, but maybe things will move faster
[10:48:19] <crutchy> he might be able to veto a few things, but i don't think i would be very good at compromising with congress
[10:48:27] <chromas> at least trump would probably fire a bunch of people
[10:48:33] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[10:48:36] <chromas> and get off on it
[10:48:39] <crutchy> it will be more of obama's "my way or the highway"
[10:48:43] <crutchy> haha yeah maybe :p
[10:49:23] <crutchy> i also don't think he would be as attentive as the pauls
[10:49:49] <crutchy> most of congress doesn't read bills... i think trump would be too busy tweeting to read bills
[10:50:09] <Yog-Yogguth> it's absurd all of it
[10:50:39] <crutchy> i thought it was absurd that rand even had to introduce a bill requiring congress to read its own bills
[10:50:54] <Yog-Yogguth> it is
[10:51:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Yog-Yogguth, there's broke and then there's broke enough that we're ready to scrap what we have and start over.
[10:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> my votes are cast with the latter in mind
[10:52:05] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah guess so TheMightyBuzzard
[10:52:15] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, just don't scrap the constitution, cos i'm so fucking jealous of you guys for having that. its the one thing that america did right
[10:52:25] * TheMightyBuzzard fiddles while DC burns
[10:52:32] <Yog-Yogguth> or at least almost right
[10:52:44] <chromas> crutchy: you want it? we're almost done with it now
[10:52:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++
[10:52:55] <Bender> karma - chromas: 113
[10:52:59] <crutchy> hehe its funny but sad at the same time
[10:53:11] <crutchy> chromas++
[10:53:11] <Bender> karma - chromas: 114
[10:53:26] <Silverly> tea++
[10:53:26] <Bender> karma - tea: 505
[10:53:57] <crutchy> aussie politics would never pass such a libertarian constitution
[10:54:30] <crutchy> it would be like the permanent UN security council members giving up their veto... never gunna happen
[10:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima do the same with perl6 and MrPlow too.
[10:55:00] <crutchy> give them tea?
[10:55:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> scrap and start over
[10:55:31] <crutchy> ah, so you're gunna rewrite in php then :D
[10:55:33] * crutchy ducks
[10:55:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly just build PlowKing in perl6
[10:55:47] <chromas> use all the concepts
[10:55:55] <chromas> and paradigms
[10:56:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, basically. just to get my hands dirty with them all.
[10:56:10] <crutchy> use waterfall
[10:56:15] <chromas> any way perl lets you do something, you needs it
[10:56:37] <crutchy> then you can have all the bot documentation you could ever need
[10:56:41] <crutchy> but no bot
[10:56:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[10:57:28] <crutchy> is perl6 way different to perl5?
[10:57:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, quite a bit
[10:58:03] <chromas> it's the systemd of perl versions
[10:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of familiar stuff but if you tried to run perl5 code under perl6 you'd have prollems to say the least
[10:58:25] <chromas> wellp, daily systemd reference made. i'm out
[10:58:31] <crutchy> lol
[10:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me. still T-30m until fishing time.
[10:59:14] <crutchy> a systemd a day keeps the toe cheese away
[10:59:18] <chromas> so you'll be building rehash from scratch instead of porting it eh
[10:59:55] <chromas> that's totally true. the gunoo infestation is shrinking
[11:00:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it ever needs to be perl6, yes
[11:00:07] <crutchy> its only 10pm here, but i'm not doing much. i kinda want to code but i really can't be fked
[11:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, at least launch exec so nobody 404s
[11:00:35] <chromas> make an alias
[11:00:41] <crutchy> ooh
[11:00:43] <crutchy> ~alias
[11:00:45] <chromas> hipster -> socialist
[11:00:50] <chromas> same argument
[11:01:25] <crutchy> need a .blame macro that echoes "/me points at Bytram"
[11:01:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, yeah
[11:02:07] <chromas> he would've gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling exec
[11:02:25] * crutchy throws chromas a scooby snack
[11:02:48] * crutchy has seen most of the scooby films... miltiple times :/
[11:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube fun lovin criminals scooby snacks
[11:03:23] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[11:03:28] <systemd> ^ 03Fun Lovin' Criminals - Scooby Snacks (MusicVideo) - YouTube
[11:03:43] <crutchy> i'm trying to find more about whether china has got aircraft in syria
[11:03:55] <crutchy> only managed to find fringe stuff so far
[11:04:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> doubt it. china tends to not commit military to anything that isn't a chinese issue.
[11:04:17] <crutchy> which is probably no less credible than CNN/Fox/etc, but still..
[11:04:32] <crutchy> yeah that's what i though
[11:04:34] <crutchy> t
[11:04:55] <crutchy> but apparently they did attend training exercise there, or summin
[11:05:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[11:05:11] <crutchy> and they have been getting pretty cushy with russia lately
[11:05:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably as observers
[11:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> for food purposes no doubt
[11:05:43] <crutchy> i dont know much about it
[11:05:54] <crutchy> been a bit behind news shit lately
[11:06:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i ignore the news mostly
[11:06:52] <Yog-Yogguth> this is the one I read (no planes IIRC) https://www.rt.com
[11:06:54] <systemd> ^ 03China’s military advisers ‘heading to Syria to help fight ISIS’ – report — RT News
[11:06:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless it's on SN, HardOCP, Phoronix, or Techdirt I probably won't hear about it.
[11:08:35] <Yog-Yogguth> althoug it is an aircraft carrier...
[11:11:14] <Yog-Yogguth> could be anything, could be nothing, RT doesn't confirm
[11:11:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, looks like bender is being a memory hog again
[11:12:06] <cmn32480> who was the last true outsder to win POTUS?
[11:13:30] <Yog-Yogguth> Obama? :P eheh guess it depends on definitions
[11:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, washington
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[11:14:44] <cmn32480> obama was a senator.... hardly an outsider. unknown perhaps...
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[11:14:52] <cmn32480> tea++
[11:14:52] <Bender> karma - tea: 506
[11:14:53] <Yog-Yogguth> same for Sanders though
[11:14:58] <cmn32480> agreed
[11:15:12] <cmn32480> the only outsidesers are Republicans in this election
[11:15:22] <cmn32480> Carson,m Trump and Fiorina
[11:15:24] <Yog-Yogguth> and being a billionaire isn't much outsider either, lots of grease
[11:15:31] <cmn32480> agreed
[11:15:37] <cmn32480> so Carson only?
[11:15:41] <Yog-Yogguth> yikes
[11:15:43] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[11:15:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, if i were voting for who would do the best job i'd prolly go carson
[11:16:10] <cmn32480> and Fiorina couldn't run HP...
[11:16:20] <Yog-Yogguth> she's the republican Hillary
[11:16:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[11:16:27] <cmn32480> though sh'd probably get the federal workforce cut down.... layoff are her specialty
[11:16:44] <Yog-Yogguth> lol (I feel evil now)
[11:17:00] <crutchy> found the video that the media is getting that pic of the sukhoi with the bomb under it
[11:17:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> federal productivity would go in the shitter under Fiorina though
[11:17:04] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:17:05] <systemd> ^ 03Russian Airstrikes in Syria - First Air Forces Dramatic Footage - YouTube
[11:17:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> and people think that the VA doesn't do shit now...
[11:17:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, think we needa take the rss off of bender and put it on something written to NOT take up a gerzillion bytes of ram
[11:17:40] <crutchy> VA would be a lot better if it had all the deadwood career public servants cut
[11:17:56] <crutchy> some of them might even start showing up for work then
[11:17:58] <Yog-Yogguth> bbl
[11:17:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> those are the most difficult ones to remove, though.
[11:18:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios, Yog-Yogguth
[11:18:29] <crutchy> AndyTheAbsurd, that's why you just cut the whole department's budget
[11:18:53] <crutchy> till they start culling
[11:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, or cut wages/benefits down to market value for services rendered
[11:19:22] <crutchy> market value is fuck all though
[11:19:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[11:19:40] <cmn32480> latre yog
[11:19:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'll relocate voluntarily then
[11:20:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> to do either of those things, you'd have to get them to agree to drop seniority as a factor in reviews. And that ain't gonna happen.
[11:21:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> agree? they don't gotta agree. you just do it and let em kick rocks if they don't like it.
[11:21:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux Foundation Ropes in Google and Intel to Accelerate Real-Time Linux Development - http://sylnt.us - a-good-week-for-linux-news
[11:22:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bender, enjoy your rss while you got it. it's coming off of you soonish.
[11:22:42] <cmn32480> sadly you can't just do it
[11:22:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> bots should not run hundreds of bloody megs.
[11:23:00] <Silverly> wut
[11:23:08] <cmn32480> they are all part off the Federal Government Union (or whatever itis called) and seniority is the onlly thng that actually counts
[11:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, fuck unions
[11:23:30] <cmn32480> not necessarily
[11:23:52] <cmn32480> overburdensome, top heavy bigtime corporate unions? absolutely
[11:24:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> bender's monkey arse eating up all the ram on beryllium caused znc to crash yesterday and everyone connected to it to drop.
[11:24:43] <cmn32480> many of the small local unions are still good for the workers, many are pieces of shit that should have been abolished years ago
[11:24:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, all of em. they're way past their usefulness and need a wake up call.
[11:25:03] * cmn32480 gets the torches and pitchforks
[11:25:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> no shovel jockey should ever make $20/hr to start.
[11:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> well possibly many years from now after inflation has pushed CoL that high but not at the moment.
[11:26:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> people should be paid what they're worth and not a dime more.
[11:26:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> or less for that matter
[11:27:00] <cmn32480> and burger flippers shoudln't make $15, I agree
[11:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> that $20/hr shovel jockeys thing is not hypothetical. that's what they make to start not 15 miles from where i am in rural OK
[11:28:22] <chromas> Regurgitator was the original rss feed bot. it's still around.
[11:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya?
[11:28:33] <chromas> also exec does feeds
[11:29:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking just take MrPlow's code and make an rss bot that explicitly frees memory instead of waiting for garbage collection.
[11:29:22] <cmn32480> exec is not reliably here all the time
[11:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause bender has not been taking out the trash for some reason
[11:29:59] <chromas> I think Deucalion is Regurgitator's master
[11:30:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:30:38] <chromas> are you talking about memory or federal employees?
[11:30:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i can write an rss bot in like half an hour. be easier.
[11:30:57] <cmn32480> littel from column A little from Column B
[11:31:12] <chromas> can you do it that fast in perl 6
[11:31:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> neither. talking about it being fishing time now. hasta le byebye.
[11:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, no
[11:31:25] <cmn32480> see ya buzzard
[11:31:37] <cmn32480> I shoudl be back in the regular tomorrow.
[11:34:01] <cmn32480> gotta get to the custoemr site.
[11:34:09] <cmn32480> see ya fellas
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[12:21:38] <chromas> I guess the Aussie quota's been exceeded
[12:24:51] <crutchy> just closed hexchat in windows and started the vm
[12:32:56] <Yog-Yogguth> crutchy here's a chinese who looks like he knows what he's talking about ripping apart the aircraft carrier stuff https://translate.google.com
[12:32:56] <systemd> ^ 03Google Translate
[12:33:48] * Yog-Yogguth got a chuckle out of the stuff about Russians and gossip
[12:52:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sudden Outbreak of Common Sense? Mass Drug Prisoner Release - http://sylnt.us - psst,-do-you-want-some-freedom?
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[13:39:18] <crutchy> ahah. thanks Yog-Yogguth
[13:39:53] <crutchy> that makes a bit more sense
[13:40:53] * crutchy might keep an eye on whether china does get involved in future though. interesting times
[13:42:06] <crutchy> also read reports that the british sas has been operating in syria (using drone support, chinook drops and quadbikes), but that seems a bit outlandish too
[13:42:16] <crutchy> gotta love the internet
[13:43:23] <crutchy> anyway
[13:43:25] <crutchy> ~time
[13:43:27] <exec> Friday, 9 October 2015 @ 12:43 am GMT+11 - Melbourne VIC
[13:43:42] <crutchy> wow fuck later than i thought :/
[13:44:03] <janrinok> crutchy: the SAS in Syria sounds exactly like what they would be doing
[13:44:36] <janrinok> under the guise of 'assisting anti-government forces'
[13:46:46] <crutchy> i know. even the aussie sasr do that kinda stuff, but quadbikes?!
[13:47:18] <crutchy> anyway time for bed for me
[13:47:26] <crutchy> ~g'night #soylent
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[13:54:37] <Yog-Yogguth> cya crutchy :)
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[14:04:17] <mrcoolbp> hey Yog-Yogguth, how goes it?
[14:07:18] <Yog-Yogguth> reasonably well :)
[14:08:03] <Yog-Yogguth> how about you?
[14:08:49] <mrcoolbp> good, getting ready for work
[14:09:33] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: IRC services seemed to make everyone log back in and Bender is AWOL
[14:12:23] * mrcoolbp updates the funding progress
[14:12:24] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[14:12:30] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: !!
[14:12:35] <mrcoolbp> Hey Bytram!
[14:12:46] <mrcoolbp> how goes?
[14:12:47] <Bytram> long time no 'see' !!
[14:12:50] <Bytram> good!
[14:12:52] <mrcoolbp> yah
[14:13:01] <Bytram> 2nd day off-in-a-row ... woopee!
[14:13:07] <mrcoolbp> look at you
[14:13:29] <Bytram> and I now have virtual box installed, and Ubuntu 14.04 installed on that, and git installed on THAT
[14:13:54] <janrinok> ... a giant step for mankind
[14:13:55] <Bytram> got some loose ends to straighten out, of course, but things are looking goo
[14:13:57] <Bytram> how are you?
[14:14:00] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[14:14:09] <janrinok> I'm good, how are you?
[14:14:22] <Bytram> excellent!
[14:14:34] <Bytram> and wishing I could get a few more days-in-a-row off =)
[14:14:35] <janrinok> another day off, don't go getting used to it
[14:14:39] <Bytram> :P
[14:14:44] <mrcoolbp> = )
[14:14:47] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:15:03] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $1,305 to $1,381
[14:15:15] <mrcoolbp> ^ !
[14:15:22] <mrcoolbp> 69% now
[14:15:22] <janrinok> you should be more like MrC, works 8 days a week, and probably has another job to do in his time off
[14:15:23] <Bytram> virtual box only presents a window big enough for an 80x25 window for ubuntu to run in and it, well, cramps my style.
[14:15:38] <Bytram> that's what SN is for!
[14:15:42] <janrinok> it can be changed Bytram
[14:15:43] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I do, I'm in a rock band remember?
[14:15:48] <janrinok> yep
[14:15:52] <Bytram> yes, I do!
[14:16:28] <Bytram> IIRC, you play a 'fishy' instrument, right?
[14:16:36] <Bytram> janrinok: tell me more!
[14:16:42] * mrcoolbp listens to the Animals "Time of the Season". Such a good song
[14:16:49] <janrinok> On virtualBox you install the 'client' software - I've forgotten the exact name - and you can change the screen size and lots of other things too
[14:16:58] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I play the electric guitar
[14:17:10] <Bytram> janrinok: oh, that's some kind of add-on package, right?
[14:17:19] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: nod nod
[14:17:26] * mrcoolbp goes to call NCommander
[14:17:30] <janrinok> well its the VB software that goes inside the client
[14:17:42] <Bytram> hrmmm
[14:17:53] <janrinok> I use VMWare and it let me install it from the start
[14:18:02] <Bytram> oh, okay... U needs to know that it can take advantage of something that VB provides, right?
[14:18:45] <janrinok> 'virtualbox-guest-additions-iso'
[14:19:02] <janrinok> its in the Ubuntu repo
[14:19:54] <Bytram> client == Ubuntu?
[14:20:00] <janrinok> yep
[14:20:24] <Bytram> So, I would do: sudo apt-get
[14:20:38] <Bytram> So, I would do: sudo apt-get virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
[14:20:39] <Bytram> ??
[14:21:03] <janrinok> sudo apt-get install v-g-a-iso - abbreviated to save me typing
[14:21:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> IIRC, VirtualBox guest additions are *not* GPL - so avoid if you're a free-software-purist. Otherwise they're very useful.
[14:21:28] <Bytram> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
[14:21:34] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd: absolutely correct
[14:21:40] <janrinok> Bytram: that's it
[14:21:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> And if you're using the GUI interface to VirtualBox, there's an "Install VirtualBox Guest Additions" menu item on the Devices menu.
[14:22:06] <mrcoolbp> NCommander is good and says
[14:22:09] <mrcoolbp> "hi"
[14:22:29] <Yog-Yogguth> cool, say hi back!
[14:22:35] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: please say 'hi' back
[14:22:41] <mrcoolbp> I did
[14:22:43] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: thanks for the info... and the implication(s) are? any code I *develop* would not be impacted; but, my environment would no longer be 'pure' -- is that it?
[14:22:47] <mrcoolbp> he's wicked busy he said
[14:22:54] <Bytram> good to hear!
[14:23:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: yeah, htat's pretty much it.
[14:23:18] <Bytram> k
[14:23:22] <janrinok> Bytram: roughly, yes. It won't affect you unless you are writing software for sale
[14:23:39] <Bytram> as I am running Ubuntumate, methinks my environment is already 'non-pure', corect?
[14:23:56] <Bytram> *correct (doh!)
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[14:24:22] <janrinok> no - MATE is pure, it is just a different Ubuntu spin
[14:24:42] <janrinok> all the software the in the MATE desktop is GPL - afaik
[14:25:20] <Bytram> hmmm, it has VLC... which has drivers for *everything* 9codecs, etc.) that's pure GPL, too?
[14:25:45] <janrinok> ah, no, in that case it is VLC that is impure, but it is not the end of the world
[14:26:22] <Bytram> Billy Joel: only the good die young!
[14:27:10] <Bytram> I like purity, and strive for it, but I have a pragmatic side, too. So long as I know what I am getting into, so I appreciate the heads up.
[14:27:45] <janrinok> but if you want 'purity' try Trisquel - but you will soon change back
[14:28:46] <janrinok> Trisquel - everything is GPL, no blobs, no codecs - but I found it too restrictive
[14:29:03] <janrinok> very solid distro though
[14:30:18] <Bytram> right now, my main goal is to transition away from MS; Ubuntu is popular, so there's lots of support.
[14:30:57] <janrinok> the advantage of having VB installed is that you can try out loads of distros without too much hassle
[14:31:11] <Bytram> my main concern with U is that Canonical, in thepast, attempted to monetize it by sending desktop-local searches to their server -- and if they tried it once, I'd be amazed if they did not try it again at some point.
[14:31:17] <janrinok> each one can take the minimum of drive space and you are good to go
[14:31:20] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:31:50] <janrinok> Unity did that, but not the other desktops
[14:32:11] <Bytram> oh? Oh. My bad.
[14:32:25] <janrinok> MATE is not even put together by Canonical - it just has their approval as a respin
[14:32:49] <Bytram> just dont want to get backed into another corner -- frying pan & fire and all that, yanno?
[14:33:02] <janrinok> they use the base ubuntu -14.04 in this case - and put their own desktop and selection of progs on top of that
[14:33:21] <janrinok> same with Linux Mint
[14:33:44] <Bytram> hmmm, I've heard of Min, too.
[14:33:45] <janrinok> That's how the respins create a following
[14:33:48] <Bytram> *Mint
[14:34:14] <Bytram> is Mint a 'lighter-weight' ubuntu than Mate
[14:34:26] <janrinok> worth looking at - the cinnamon desktop is very reminiscent of old-style windows but with a modern feel and gloss
[14:34:29] * Bytram does NOT go in for fancy eye-candy
[14:34:50] <Bytram> save the computes for what I am *doing*
[14:34:59] <janrinok> you can switch all the eye candy off - that is another benefit of Linux
[14:35:24] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:35:44] <janrinok> I find MATE a happy medium but I also switch off the compositing windows and all the other crap
[14:35:46] <Bytram> "Unable to locatge package virtual-box-additions-iso"
[14:36:47] <janrinok> I would recommend that you use one of the GUI tools - I use synaptic which you will have to install - and make sure that all your repo options are selected and that you haven't just got the defaults
[14:36:47] <Bytram> http://askubuntu.com
[14:36:48] <systemd> ^ 03How do I install Guest Additions in a VirtualBox VM? - Ask Ubuntu
[14:37:19] <janrinok> because it is provided by a commercial company, it isn't in the default repos
[14:37:32] <janrinok> although it is 'free' so don't worry
[14:38:06] <Bytram> free as in beer? or speech? (just curious)
[14:38:36] <janrinok> or edit /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure that all the repos have had the '#' removed from the start of each line
[14:38:42] <janrinok> free beer
[14:39:02] <Bytram> k
[14:39:44] <janrinok> once you have edited it, apt-get update, then apt-get install v-b-g-a
[14:39:48] <Bytram> hmmm, I just noticed that I have downloaded (but not installed) "Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.0.0-101573.vbox-extpack"
[14:40:13] <janrinok> not sure what that is
[14:40:16] <Bytram> k
[14:40:36] <Bytram> well, I don't believe it! No emacs?!!!?!
[14:40:40] <Bytram> grrr
[14:40:45] <Bytram> lol
[14:41:11] <janrinok> its there, but I think it is emacs-nn where nn is a number
[14:41:31] <janrinok> no, emacs should be fine as it is
[14:41:43] <janrinok> not installed by default
[14:42:06] <janrinok> or you can install emacs24 which has the GTK GUI interface
[14:42:48] <janrinok> nano is installed as default, as is vim
[14:43:59] <Bytram> have not used either of those editors.
[14:44:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> Ubuntu finally added vim to the defaults?
[14:45:20] <Bytram> http://askubuntu.com
[14:45:21] <systemd> ^ 03How to install emacs 24.3 on Ubuntu? - Ask Ubuntu
[14:45:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> I thought it was just vi that was included by default. Although vim is in the default repos so you can just sudo apt-get install vim and it works.
[14:46:30] <Bytram> hmm, looks like this should do it:
[14:46:31] <Bytram> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-elisp/ppa
[14:46:31] <Bytram> sudo apt-get update
[14:46:31] <Bytram> sudo apt-get install emacs-snapshot emacs-snapshot-el
[14:48:30] <janrinok> you shouldn't have to add a ppa - it looks like you are getting the latest up-to-date version. 'emacs' is in the repos
[14:49:52] <Bytram> nice!
[14:49:57] <Bytram> sudo apt-get install emacs
[14:50:49] <janrinok> as I said a few lines back - it just isn't installed as a default.
[14:50:51] <Bytram> just under 30 MB, it looks like.
[14:51:13] <janrinok> a beast of a program - but if that is what you want then go for it
[14:51:41] <janrinok> try nano sometime. A very simple basic editor, but for jobs like this it is more than enough
[14:51:51] * Bytram has been using emacs since, lemme see, the 1980's
[14:52:24] <Bytram> my fingers know things that my brain has forgotten!
[14:52:30] <Bytram> nograb!
[14:52:49] * janrinok notes that there is nothing wrong with emacs - just a big program for what he would actually need it for
[14:53:36] <Bytram> yes, it is a nice OS with a serviceable editor. =)
[14:54:13] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks so much for the help!
[14:54:33] <Bytram> well, this is gonna take a while. I'm gonna take a break.
[14:54:46] <Bytram> back in about a half hour or so.
[14:54:47] <Bytram> afk
[14:54:50] <janrinok> k laters
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[15:44:30] <Bytram|away> time to run some errands; hope to check back in some time later in the day.
[15:44:38] <Bytram|away> Have a great day everybody!
[15:44:48] <Yog-Yogguth> cya :)
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[21:30:36] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:30:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1720
[21:36:46] <crutchy> lol @ chris christie
[21:36:52] <crutchy> what a fat idiot
[21:40:29] <K_benzoate> The Republican clown car is packed pretty full this election.
[21:41:42] <K_benzoate> My favorite moron is the neurosurgeon who doesn't accept evolution is true.
[21:44:05] <nick> is he the same one that murdoch backed yesterday or so?
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[21:50:18] <K_benzoate> Haven't heard of that. He's the black one.
[21:50:55] <K_benzoate> Very soft spoken, thinks we should have a 10% flat tax because that's in The Bible.
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[22:07:51] <nick> heh
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[22:47:51] <nick> nice
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