#Soylent | Logs for 2016-03-07

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[00:00:09] <cmn32480> yep
[00:00:16] <cmn32480> gotta get while the gettin is good.
[00:00:54] <cmn32480> I'm outta here... gotta get some dinner
[00:01:03] <cmn32480> hope SA has been good to you nick
[00:01:23] <nick> it has been thanks
[00:01:26] <nick> enjoy your evening!
[00:01:28] <cmn32480> glad to hear it
[00:01:34] <cmn32480> I hope to
[00:16:34] <exec> 05*** SN funding is currently $697
[00:52:10] <Tramtrist> RED
[00:52:16] <Tramtrist> i subscribed
[00:52:17] <Tramtrist> 20$
[00:52:26] <Tramtrist> did my part
[01:00:39] <nick> <3 Tramtrist
[01:01:07] * SirFinkus rings the bell
[01:01:12] <SirFinkus> WE GOT ANOTHER SUCKER BOYS
[01:01:17] <SirFinkus> (and girls)
[01:01:53] <nick> beer money for the week!
[01:02:04] <SirFinkus> looks like we've largely held off Traverse for now
[01:02:12] <SirFinkus> the'll beat is in 2.9 years at current rates
[01:02:38] <SirFinkus> 3k point rate difference, so we'll be safe from them for quite a while if we got another node
[01:02:55] <SirFinkus> ~folding-rank
[01:02:58] <exec> 072071
[01:05:09] <SirFinkus> we're even going to beat denmark soon
[01:05:33] <SirFinkus> and those damn vegetarians and vegans
[01:24:24] <arti> https://vimeo.com
[01:24:25] <webscale> ^ 03True Reverse Perspective on Vimeo
[01:29:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux-Based, MIPS-Powered Russian All-in-One PC Launched - http://sylnt.us - Where's-Major-Kong-when-you-need-him?
[01:34:10] <Bytram|away> Tramtrist++ # thank you!
[01:34:10] <Bender> karma - tramtrist: 1
[01:34:15] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:34:18] <Bytram> !uid
[01:34:19] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6147, owned by Richy Freeway
[01:34:32] <Bytram> coffee++ # just because
[01:34:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2325
[01:35:40] <Tramtrist> my SN and /. user is not tramtrist but ya .. you're welcome <3
[01:45:55] <Bytram> Tramtrist: 4 odd digits in your UID? =)
[01:49:07] <Tramtrist> 3? i think
[01:49:09] <Tramtrist> forgot
[01:49:19] <Tramtrist> in /. is 6
[01:49:26] <Bytram> did you subscribe just today?
[01:49:56] <Tramtrist> ya soylent is 3 digit all even
[01:49:59] <Tramtrist> no .. way back
[01:50:08] <Bytram> ohhh. k
[01:50:55] <Bytram> yeah, my /. uid is 6 digit.
[01:50:57] <Tramtrist> really should be 2 digits but.. ya
[01:51:08] <Tramtrist> i waited to see if the community would survive the first couple weeks
[01:51:31] <Bytram> huh? brb
[01:51:51] <Tramtrist> didnt register as soon asi should have during fuk beta
[01:51:51] <Tramtrist> etc
[01:53:22] <Bytram> UID 1 is for Anonymous Coward; UID 2 was registered 2014-02-12; UID 999 was registered 2014-02-17
[01:53:36] <Tramtrist> oh rearry
[01:53:36] <Bytram> if you have a 3 digit UID, you didn't wait TOO long.
[01:53:46] <Tramtrist> guess not
[01:53:54] <Tramtrist> anyway willie3204 is my soylent user
[01:53:56] <Tramtrist> 826
[01:53:59] <Tramtrist> guess i was all over it
[01:54:10] <SirFinkus> wow, that was quicker than I thought
[01:54:16] <SirFinkus> the 3 digit ones being taken up
[01:54:22] <Tramtrist> ya it was instant
[01:54:24] <Tramtrist> apparently
[01:54:25] <Tramtrist> 5 days
[01:54:27] <Bytram> yep... went QUICK!
[01:54:30] <Tramtrist> world wasnt even created that fast
[01:54:36] <Bytram> LOL!
[01:55:09] <Bytram> UID 1999 was registered 2014-02-19
[01:57:42] <Bytram> !uid
[01:57:42] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6147, owned by Richy Freeway
[01:57:56] <Bytram> which reminds me... time to refresh my list
[01:59:43] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:59:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> happy belly. full of catfish.
[02:01:19] <SirFinkus> I'm jealous
[02:01:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> of the catfish or my two digit uid?
[02:01:58] <SirFinkus> the catfish
[02:03:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~api m=user op=get_uid nick=The Mighty Buzzard
[02:03:03] <exec> soylentnews.org/api.pl?m=user&op=get_uid&nick=The+Mighty+Buzzard
[02:03:03] <exec> 02{"uid":"18"}
[02:04:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, it came out amazing too. cornmeal, salt, pepper, cajun seasoning.
[02:04:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> light n flakey n om nom nom good
[02:04:41] <SirFinkus> I really should do that sometime, although I doubt anything I could get in the store would be as good as fresh caught
[02:05:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> filled the bellies of me, my roomie, his two chillins, and the nice neighbor lady. and i got two more bags just as big still in the freezer.
[02:05:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> so go fishin. it's relaxing *and* you get dinner out of it.
[02:05:53] * SirFinkus wonders if the stores around here would even sell catfish
[02:06:29] <SirFinkus> dad and I are planning to go to alaska and do some fly fishing
[02:06:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, some good fishing up there i hear. fly is a little too expensive for me though.
[02:07:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> lil bitty flies costin like $5 each.
[02:07:45] <SirFinkus> my dad has all the stuff already, granted it's been sitting in the shed for 30 years
[02:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be fine. flies don't really go bad. prolly need to get new line though.
[02:08:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> after about five years it starts just breaking left and right.
[02:08:46] <SirFinkus> should be pretty cheap compared to airfare/accommodation etc
[02:09:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. beautiful country to be doing it in though i hear.
[02:09:27] <SirFinkus> huge mosquitos though
[02:09:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, wouldn't have figured that.
[02:09:45] <SirFinkus> oh yeah
[02:09:55] <SirFinkus> they only have a few months to get all their fucking and blood sucking done
[02:09:59] <SirFinkus> so they grow huge
[02:10:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, good point
[02:10:25] <SirFinkus> my step sis lives up there, it's brutal
[02:10:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> just watch out you don't get eaten by a polar bear and all should be enjoyable.
[02:10:45] <SirFinkus> bald eagles are assholes too
[02:11:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya think? i had a kingfisher try n steal my fish once but eagles don't bug me.
[02:11:30] <SirFinkus> yeah, they actually attack people
[02:11:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky.
[02:12:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn kingfisher swooped down and grabbed my top-water lure right out of the water n tried to fly off with it.
[02:13:11] <SirFinkus> dinner tonight is just some white chicken chili
[02:13:18] <SirFinkus> gotta be healthy and shit
[02:13:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas not healthy, thas good.
[02:13:52] <SirFinkus> healthy-ish
[02:14:01] <SirFinkus> probably better than deep fried fish
[02:14:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> most likely, yeah. and deep fried okra. and deep fried biscuits.
[02:14:58] <SirFinkus> I recently got introduced to deep fried pickles
[02:15:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> see now that's just weird
[02:15:12] <SirFinkus> that's probably going to take a decade off my life
[02:15:18] <SirFinkus> have you tried them?
[02:15:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp. not a huge pickle fan.
[02:15:36] <SirFinkus> I'm not either
[02:15:39] <SirFinkus> but they're great
[02:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing i really like pickled is jalapenos
[02:15:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[02:16:04] <SirFinkus> green beans are also good pickled
[02:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, i need another smoke n a refill on my tea. think i may have ate too much.
[02:17:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> back in 10
[02:25:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i lied. too full of foosh. going to bed.
[02:27:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: before you disappear, check out: http://www.webpagetest.org
[02:28:11] <Bytram> slices and dices page loading times 9 ways to sunday and beyond!
[02:28:50] <Bytram> oh, yeah. food. biab
[02:28:55] <Bytram> afk
[02:35:22] <chromas> How does it get initial connection for both / and comments.css before "first byte"? It wouldn't even know about comments.css
[02:36:16] <chromas> Unless it's just starting a second connection ahead of time and that's what it happens to be used for eventually
[02:39:51] <Bytram> good question. Which browser/connection/etc did you request?
[02:41:47] <chromas> http://www.webpagetest.org
[02:41:59] <chromas> Chrome is what it used. I just went with defaults
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[02:48:59] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:50:53] <Bytram> I don't pretend to understand how it works/what it does... so proverbial grain of salt. Then again, if the results were that far off, I doubt they'd still be around.
[02:51:03] <Bytram> domain was registered in 2007.
[02:56:00] <El_Mayate> Mas trollos today.
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[03:30:01] <lopple> global exorcists cold
[03:30:18] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, too full of fooshes? Someone musta hijacked his account.... TMB does not eat the fooshes :/
[03:31:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Funny 2'40" Time Waster - Here is one view of Donald Trump from Down Under - http://sylnt.us - wasting-time
[03:38:22] <Bytram> http://www.itworld.com
[03:38:24] <webscale> ^ 03Apple shuts down first-ever ransomware attack against Mac users | ITworld
[03:40:00] * Deucalion is a little tired of Apple stories all over the place of late. I'd be happy if we embargoed it until their appeal hits the court rather than report on the public posturing from both sides prior to trial. Just my 2c
[03:40:31] <chromas> make it a story
[03:40:49] <SirFinkus> that one has nothing to do with the iphone thing
[03:40:51] <chromas> "Apple Stories Wear Out Readers"
[03:41:03] <Deucalion> hmm... not that this one is related to the FBI v Apple battle
[03:41:05] <SirFinkus> the transmission story is important
[03:41:18] <SirFinkus> transmission is a very popular torrent client
[03:41:52] <SirFinkus> and everyone loves a good mitm
[03:42:19] <SirFinkus> although some people call it a spitroast
[03:43:33] <Deucalion> In just a couple weeks... bad guys hack the linux mint website to point to a dodgy ISO, now Transmission seems to have fallen the same way. Wonder what the 3rd will be...
[03:45:20] * Deucalion bothers to read... seems the dodgy Transmission binary was signed with a legitimate developer's key. So.. the developer's kit was compromised?
[03:45:27] <Bytram> people infiltrate the treasury and reprogram the Orion security cluster on paper currency to reformat all vending machine bill readers.
[03:45:45] <Bytram> Deucalion: developer's key was compromised, I would think
[03:46:21] * Bytram just updated https://soylentnews.org
[03:46:22] <webscale> ^ 03SN article:  Transmission 2.90 Infected with First Known OSX Ransomware [Updated] 04(3 comments)
[03:46:30] <Bytram> to include the news that apple has blocked the attack
[03:46:32] <Deucalion> ty Bytram
[03:46:36] <Bytram> hth!
[03:47:15] <Bytram> oh, and a bit more serious answer to your query: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:47:15] <webscale> ^✓ 03McAfee gaffe a quick AV kill for enterprising staff • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[03:48:01] * Deucalion moves the item labelled "Containerise all the shiz" to spot one on the to do list. This is going to be painful... I may be some time.
[03:49:19] <Deucalion> The same McAfee that claims unlocking the iPhone 5C would be the work of just 30 minutes for 2 people? Yah.....
[03:49:37] <Bytram> THAT's the one!
[03:50:34] <Deucalion> Well not really... John McAfee has had bugger all to do with McAfee AV for years.... but I guess it's nice clickbait material
[03:52:42] <Bytram> true that, but he certainly seems to paint a large target on himself whatever he does.
[03:54:56] * SirFinkus is trying cold brew coffee
[03:55:35] <Deucalion> I don't think he cares. Publicity whore would be one description I guess... real life epic troll would be another. I mean... running for presidency, he's got to be laughing up his sleeve at that current wheeze to keep himself entertained.
[03:55:38] <SirFinkus> idk what I'm doing, so I just put a shitton of coffee grounds in a bottle and added water
[03:55:49] <SirFinkus> I'll let it sit overnight
[03:56:07] <Deucalion> I'm sure n3roaster would have an opinion :D
[03:56:12] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:56:43] <SirFinkus> water has already turned black
[03:56:55] <SirFinkus> I also made a huge mess trying to pour it into the bottle without a funnel
[03:57:56] <Bytram> as for mcafee, I've ceased taking any serious stock in what he says about technical issues... sadly, it appears to me that he is suffering from opportunities provided by his wealth... reported drug use being high on that list.
[03:58:18] <Deucalion> I kinda respect McAfee for just doing what he does and not giving a shit. On the other hand... that has to be a kinda empty life... playing the clown the whole time just because you have more money than life to spend it in.
[03:58:30] <Bytram> agreed.
[03:58:36] <SirFinkus> I'd probably be him if I had a shitton of money
[03:58:48] <SirFinkus> and please, when I'm that rich, don't feel sorry for me
[03:58:50] <Bytram> SirFinkus: there's a wiki page for that: https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:58:51] <webscale> ^ 03Wiki: Cold brew coffee
[03:59:05] <SirFinkus> I'm trying it without very little prior knowledge
[03:59:19] <Bytram> so it seems ;)
[03:59:22] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, when you become that rich I'll be you BFF!!! xD
[03:59:43] <SirFinkus> don't worry, I'll toss sn a tenner or two every few months
[04:00:03] * Deucalion doffs cap, thank you kindly sir
[04:00:07] <SirFinkus> "By brewing the coffee at lower temperatures, many of these solubles do not completely dissolve, resulting in lower acidity and lower caffeine content when brewed in equal volume."
[04:00:15] <SirFinkus> "lower caffiene content"
[04:00:21] <SirFinkus> why am I doing this again?
[04:01:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Transmission 2.90 Infected with First Known OSX Ransomware [Updated] - http://sylnt.us - get-your-updates-now
[04:02:43] <Bytram> UTC time drives me nuts... given Midnight March 8th, what time is that in EST (US East Coast - eastern standard time)
[04:03:36] <chromas> -5 hours or so
[04:04:45] <Bytram> 12:00:01 a.m. Tuesday March 8, 2016 in GMT converts to
[04:04:45] <Bytram> 07:00:01 p.m. Monday March 7, 2016 in US/Eastern
[04:04:50] <Deucalion> yup EST is generally UTC-5 - excepting DST of course
[04:04:53] <Bytram> thanks to: http://www.timezoneconverter.com
[04:04:54] <webscale> ^ 03Time Zone Converter
[04:05:21] <Deucalion> Oh.. doesn;'t EST become EDT during DST?
[04:05:44] <chromas> it does
[04:05:51] <Bytram> yes.
[04:06:05] <chromas> dst's the real bad guy here
[04:07:29] <Deucalion> I kinda like UTC as it (in human terms) tracks GMT which means for much of the year it is my local time. Boo-yah Frenchies... you may have got to name it, but the Meridian is still in London :P
[04:08:35] <Deucalion> Childish I know, but we island monkeys have to be allowed our shallow victories :D
[04:09:02] <SirFinkus> THE SUN NEVER SETS etc etc
[04:10:13] <Deucalion> UTC makes a lot of sense for servers.. localisation can be done at the presentation layer. Not having to handle DST bollocks in the application or lower layer makes life so much simpler.
[04:12:20] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:12:35] <Bytram> Deucalion: got some news for ya in #editorial
[04:12:53] <Deucalion> You're pregnant!? OMFFFG!!!
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[04:49:02] <El_Mayate> 'Sup.
[04:49:54] <SirFinkus> dunno
[04:52:23] <El_Mayate> The colored list of users looks like a serape in webchat.
[04:52:38] <SirFinkus> now Deucalion, this story is utter dreck https://soylentnews.org
[04:52:39] <webscale> ^ 03SN article:  Funny 2'40" Time Waster - Here is one view of Donald Trump from Down Under 04(6 comments)
[04:52:57] * El_Mayate agrees with Fink
[04:53:22] <El_Mayate> Well, shit, it's Sunday night in Murrica...maybe it IS appropriate.
[04:53:36] <El_Mayate> http://explore.patternity.org
[04:54:19] <SirFinkus> I'm not really one to bitch about stories, but good christ, are we running kids react videos next?
[04:54:31] <chromas> Yes
[04:54:50] <El_Mayate> Fink, you've been really ballsy since you got that plus by your name.
[04:55:07] <SirFinkus> when have I not been ballsy?
[04:55:30] <El_Mayate> Yeah, good point.
[04:56:18] <Deucalion> SoylentNews is people SirFinkus - IMO it is a dreck story - but Sundays we always run dry of subs and end up running with what the community sub to us. So rather than call it dreck, perhaps sub more or suggest in #editorial that on Sundays we dilate to a 4hr front page release schedule so we don't end up running dreck.
[04:56:39] <cmn32480> queue is fucking bare dude.... submit or shut your pie hole
[04:57:25] <SirFinkus> better nothing than that kind of thing, it reflects badly on the site
[04:57:26] <Deucalion> cmn32480, remind me never to describe you as a diplomat :P
[04:57:44] <cmn32480> Deucalion - Never describe me as a diplomat
[04:58:06] <SirFinkus> actually have a story in the queue already, granted it's a shitty irc submission
[04:58:09] <Bytram> I've spent the better part of my day off trying to keep he story queue from running dry... it's hard to make silk purses from sow's ears.
[04:59:00] <cmn32480> we need to mark this day for when we publish nothing and you bitch about it
[04:59:23] <SirFinkus> sure thing
[05:01:23] <El_Mayate> Gems they cannot all be.
[05:01:47] <Deucalion> Sunday 13th March... the day nothing gets published.... I'm good with that, just to see the reaction. Can't do right for doing wrong sometimes :D
[05:01:52] <El_Mayate> Unless you want to be the mirror image of The Intercept.
[05:02:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Half of Inventions "Arise Unexpectedly" from Serendipity — not Direct Research - http://sylnt.us - light-bulbs
[05:02:35] <cmn32480> ONe story Deucalion - "What do you think?" from the it-was-SirFinkus'-idea
[05:02:39] <cmn32480> dept
[05:02:39] <SirFinkus> I'll just note that I've been a member of this site since the beginning, and I don't think I've ever bitched about editing or submission quality before today.
[05:02:39] <Deucalion> The Intercept is long form, blog type, OPs. I don't see how we mirror that.
[05:02:56] <SirFinkus> well, nearly the beginning anyway
[05:03:27] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, you're fine man. cmn32480 is always abrasive :D
[05:03:33] <El_Mayate> Deucalion, I was joking. But if you don't publish on 13 March, how would you afford me the opportunity to talk shit to all the complainers in the discussions?
[05:04:09] <El_Mayate> Maybe you should post just one near the end of 13 March, and make it a crappy one about Justin Beiber or something. I'm out for blood!
[05:04:16] <SirFinkus> yeah, just wanted to make the point that I wouldn't have said anything unless I really cared about it
[05:05:04] * Bytram is looking at SirFinkus's submission about chimps throwing rocks at trees -- looks like a MUCH better story. :/
[05:05:41] <Deucalion> Oooh - I saw that on ElReg or Ars I think... a very interesting study once you get past the summaries.
[05:05:55] <SirFinkus> isn't observation of non-human primates participating in a religious ritual interesting?
[05:06:05] <SirFinkus> *what is believed to be
[05:06:48] <Bytram> http://www.npr.org
[05:06:49] <webscale> ^ 03Why Do Wild Chimpanzees Throw Stones At Trees? : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR
[05:08:25] <Deucalion> religious? I just saw it as mimic or acceptance behaviour within a society.... oooh look the strong monkey puts his stones over by that tree, I'll do it too, maybe I get laid. Reminds me of the 5 monkeys in a box with a dangled banana experiment.
[05:09:09] <El_Mayate> Look at the Muslims casting stones towards pillars representing "the devil" during Hajj
[05:09:18] <El_Mayate> I see a parallel.
[05:09:19] <SirFinkus> an alternative theory, although really, are religious rituals much different?
[05:09:21] <Bytram> or was that a banana in a box with five dangling monkeys?
[05:09:25] <Bytram> ;)
[05:09:52] <El_Mayate> Given that Muslims aren't much more advanced than monkeys but equally as savage, it makes sense to me.
[05:10:17] <SirFinkus> some of them also throw stones at adulterers
[05:11:32] <El_Mayate> Like monkeys, they are themselves adulterers and would muh dikk anything with a hole
[05:11:58] <SirFinkus> whatever, I found it interesting, fair nuff if nobody else does
[05:12:26] <SirFinkus> I'll go find some funny trump videos to submit
[05:12:30] <El_Mayate> And like monkeys, the strong males rule the societies, which is why rapists get off scot-free while rape victims are tried and murdered...and why such a thing as bacha bazi exists.
[05:19:17] * SirFinkus throws rocks at El_Mayate
[05:19:23] <El_Mayate> Ow.
[05:20:05] <El_Mayate> That brings back bad memories. Threw my shoulder out during a childhood rock fight, afterward threw like a girl
[05:20:47] <El_Mayate> Having the height advantage doesn't mean hucking a softball-sized rock would result in victory.
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[05:23:00] <Bytram> SirFinkus: is actually an interesting story once I got past the initial 'weirdness' of it. Why DO they throw rocks at trees?
[05:23:12] <Bytram> JamesNZ: good evening!
[05:23:27] <El_Mayate> Bytram - although you didn't ask me, I'd surmise 2 minutes' hate.
[05:23:30] <SirFinkus> I probably should have done a write up on it
[05:23:57] <Bytram> would have helped... I'm not at my best this time of night, but I've put something together.
[05:24:11] <SirFinkus> the paper has a number of theories, but it's interesting that other chimps of the same species don't do it, it's only this particular group
[05:24:17] <JamesNZ> Evening Bytram :)
[05:24:27] <El_Mayate> Fink, they discovered Allah.
[05:24:43] <Deucalion> El_Mayate, do you ever take a break?
[05:24:57] <Bytram> JamesNZ: was just exchanging e-mails with a story submitter earlier today from down your neck of the world
[05:25:10] <SirFinkus> maybe something more like this https://www.youtube.com
[05:25:11] <webscale> ^ 032001: The Monolith appears ... the dawn of man. - YouTube
[05:25:25] <JamesNZ> Bytram: \o/
[05:25:40] <Bytram> and to think Magellan took two years to circumnavigate the world; and Jule Verne got it down to a speedy 'around the world in eight days'
[05:25:42] <Deucalion> Bytram, SirFinkus pls /j #QandA
[05:26:10] <El_Mayate> Deucalion, the truth is often not politically correct.
[05:26:14] <JamesNZ> Bytram: And now we're talking over magic tubes :P
[05:26:22] <Bytram> ZACTLY!
[05:26:26] <JamesNZ> Instantaneously.
[05:26:52] <SirFinkus> don'T go in there Bytram, he *did* stuff to me
[05:27:04] <Bytram> ROFL!
[05:27:11] <Bytram> you got a boo boo?
[05:27:14] <SirFinkus> I was gagged
[05:27:31] <Bytram> you mean... he didn't bathe?
[05:27:36] <Bytram> such a stink
[05:27:38] <SirFinkus> and he said something about "fuck sticks"
[05:27:52] <SirFinkus> I quickly left before I found out what that meant
[05:27:54] <Bytram> prolly some new adhesive
[05:28:15] <Deucalion> Bytram, SirFinkus pls /j #QandA (again)
[05:32:26] <SirFinkus> another node in the botnet, woohoo
[05:33:55] <SirFinkus> 31 folders now
[05:34:00] <SirFinkus> ~folding-rank
[05:34:02] <exec> 072064
[05:42:07] <Bytram> next update is in just over 20 minutes; should be at about 2060
[05:42:43] <Bytram> by this time tomorrow, I expect we will be on the next page!
[05:43:16] <Tramtrist> hm
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[06:34:00] <Tramtrist> was justreading that
[06:34:06] <Tramtrist> 1/3?
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[06:57:35] <crutchy> ~g'day #soylent
[06:57:37] * exec crutchyly imagines a caravan of VBA with #soylent
[07:01:11] * crutchy unfortunately had to pause his folding@home thingy at workipoos since i running a nonlinear solve on a big brick mesh
[07:01:25] <crutchy> should finish solving in about a day and a half
[07:08:47] <SirFinkus> don't you care about CANCER crutchy
[07:08:56] <SirFinkus> we're out of danger from traverse btw
[07:08:59] <SirFinkus> for now
[07:09:25] <crutchy> wow gold is on the uptick
[07:09:54] <SirFinkus> thinking about expanding the bunker?
[07:10:20] <crutchy> nah i would suck as a prepper
[07:10:51] <crutchy> only thing i got going for me is living in a regional area of upside down land
[07:11:59] <crutchy> though i do kinda believe that something's gotta eventually give
[07:12:07] <SirFinkus> when everyone's nuking everyone else, they'll forget about you guys
[07:12:16] <crutchy> either war or economic ruin
[07:12:22] <crutchy> heh. hopefully
[07:12:40] <crutchy> the new world order will need slaves to keep mining resources :p
[07:24:45] <SirFinkus> lol
[07:24:49] <SirFinkus> so it's nearly midnight here
[07:24:55] <SirFinkus> decided to practice guitar
[07:25:21] <SirFinkus> plugged everything in, plugged the headphones into my amp's jack (it has headphone out with cabsim) and started playing away
[07:25:36] <SirFinkus> turns out, the headphones weren't all the way plugged in
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[10:36:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft's Latest Tactics Show that Gabe Newell of Valve was Right to Worry - http://sylnt.us - Embrace-Extend-Extinguish
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[11:13:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:13:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2326
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[11:32:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Subsentient
[11:32:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> having connection issues or doing stuff?
[11:36:26] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Doing stuff to NEXUS
[11:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[11:37:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> having headaches or just making incremental progress?
[11:37:13] <Subsentient> Both.
[11:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> proper programming then. good good.
[11:37:42] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: libcpsl is now part of the source tree; gradually integrating it into NEXUS, replacing homebrewed linked lists with libcpsl lists.
[11:37:53] <Subsentient> Way I see it, less things that can go wrong.
[11:38:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, sounds good
[11:39:01] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Right now a big bug is that send() blocks forever after its send buffer gets full, which happens when a client disconnects uncleanly and NEXUS doesn't know there's nobody on the other end.
[11:39:14] <Subsentient> Using select(), not non-blocking sockets.
[11:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ewwww
[11:39:36] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm famously terrible with networking, got any ideas?
[11:40:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that irc_run blocks forever is why i spun off a separate thread.
[11:40:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> blocked or not it can still do stuff.
[11:40:50] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Unfortunately, threading is not terribly portable in C/C++.
[11:41:05] <chromas> Write yourself a libevent replacement :)
[11:41:13] * Subsentient notes NEXUS is mostly C code compiled as C++ with exceptions and RTTI disabled, with no libstdc++
[11:42:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> well... there are pthreads implementations for most significant oses
[11:42:11] <chromas> wrap select(), epoll etc, according to the current platform
[11:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> even winders
[11:43:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, if not that you're going to have to write your own portable threading library as far as i can think.
[11:45:44] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Ugh, there's no way to fix this BS without threads?
[11:46:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well there's epoll like chromas suggested but again, not portable.
[11:46:31] <Subsentient> I need *nix and Windows support.
[11:46:44] <Subsentient> And Haiku and Solaris and toilet paper
[11:46:44] <Subsentient> etc
[11:46:55] <Subsentient> I don't mind some preprocessor ifdefs
[11:47:07] <Subsentient> I already got it functional on Windows, but, we still got this bug
[11:47:10] <Subsentient> among others.
[11:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> pthreads will work for *nix and windows. for most definitions of *nix anyway.
[11:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you don't gotta go through near as much headaches as say fork
[11:49:16] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Pthreads doesn't work on Windows.
[11:49:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Implementations of the API are available on many Unix-like POSIX-conformant operating systems such as FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, Mac OS X and Solaris. DR-DOS and Microsoft Windows implementations also exist: within the SFU/SUA subsystem which provides a native implementation of a number of POSIX APIs, and also within third-party packages such as pthreads-w32,[1] which implements pthreads on top of existing Windows API."
[11:50:09] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: There we are with evil dependencies.
[11:50:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[11:50:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i guess there's always fork
[11:50:32] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: fork() doesn't exist on Windows either.
[11:50:43] <Subsentient> Perl might emulate it, but it's not portable.
[11:50:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> does it not? huh.
[11:51:02] <Subsentient> in C/C++, where the perl interpreter has to do its real work, there is no fork() on Windows.
[11:51:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[11:51:20] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Development on Windows described in one word.
[11:51:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> one character version: 💩
[11:52:05] * Subsentient can't read that emoji
[11:52:13] * Subsentient has a box with hex in it
[11:52:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1f4a9 == pewp
[11:52:22] <Subsentient> ahh
[11:52:38] <Subsentient> tasty fudge.
[11:53:05] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: but yeah, if I could use fork() and pthreads, development of portable stuff would be far, far easier.
[11:53:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's the only one i bother remembering. it covers my feelings on anything i don't feel like expounding on.
[11:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> could you set it to a non-blocking socket maybe?
[11:55:31] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: NEXUS used to be based on non-blocking sockets, but they never worked right on Windows and that's why I switched to select()
[11:55:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[11:55:51] <Subsentient> NEXUS sure had fewer bugs back then though.
[11:56:06] <Subsentient> but at least it runs on Windows.
[11:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> select can do non-blocking ones as well, it just doesn't have a useful return value if you use it on them.
[11:56:51] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: No, I mean, non blocking sockets malfunctioned on Windows, and NEXUS never worked at all on Windows, despite compiling for Windows ok.
[11:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhhh
[11:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you got a hell of a prollem then.
[11:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> may not be a good solution
[11:57:38] <Subsentient> Now NEXUS works on Windows since all sockets are blocking, but there is a price, and that price is send() locks up whenever I suspend a laptop connected to a NEXUS server.
[11:58:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i think i'd go berzonkers trying to write a blocking sockets client. it makes so many things all but impossible.
[11:58:49] <Subsentient> Also been getting segfaults in various places, but that seems improved since I switched to libcpsl
[11:59:06] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: A single threaded blocking sockets client, let's not forget.
[11:59:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[11:59:56] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Actually, NEXUS' design requires it to both be a client connected to an IRC server, and a server serving multiple clients, at the same time, with single-threaded blocking sockets.
[12:00:23] <Subsentient> Had an aneurysm yet"?
[12:02:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, gots my own issues i'm reading up on.
[12:02:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> recursive structs are nice n all but they do come with their own special hell.
[12:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, there we go. think i got it.
[12:05:30] <chromas> isn't there a way to set a timeout on blocking sockets?
[12:07:13] <Subsentient> chromas: yeah, but then we'd get disconnected from the IRC server for a ping timeout.
[12:07:37] <Subsentient> Reason being, if we set the timeout for something like 3 seconds, then a long chunk of data won't all be sent.
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[12:07:46] <Subsentient> so we'd need to set it to something like 30 seconds.
[12:07:52] <Subsentient> and that'd still result in problems.
[12:08:13] <chromas> why wouldn't long data be sent?
[12:08:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, what long chunks of data are there in irc. even given a string entirely of unicode, you're looking at under 4KB
[12:08:44] <Subsentient> chromas: because the timeout would kill send() before it had sent all data.
[12:08:55] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I suppose, but I was hoping to add DCC SEND support eventually.
[12:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[12:09:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> DCC is necessarily direct client connect though, no?
[12:09:21] <chromas> isn't it standard practice to put your sends in a loop in case the whole buffer doesn't get through anyway?
[12:09:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> not going through the irc server.
[12:09:29] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: NEXUS also sends all scrollback in a huge blob.
[12:09:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[12:09:46] <Subsentient> chromas: I do.
[12:10:08] <chromas> seems like it shouldn't be a problem then. if the timeout interrupts it then the next loop cycle will get it
[12:10:31] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm going to see if I can get away with having *just* calls to send be nonblocking, and check for EWOULDBLOCK, but I have a feeling that *still* won't work right on Windows.
[12:11:00] * Subsentient fucking hates Windows
[12:11:26] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Remember how I contemplated rewriting NEXUS in Perl? This is why.
[12:12:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> you could but you'd want to use an xs library for the networking.
[12:12:15] <chromas> the burden of portability is great
[12:12:31] <Subsentient> !grab chromas
[12:12:32] <Bender> Added quote 688
[12:12:39] <Subsentient> Indeed it is my friend.
[12:12:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing it purely in perl costs you roughly 20MB of ram for irc.
[12:12:43] * chromas feels touched
[12:13:10] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: And that, along with requiring a Perl interpreter on Windows, is why I'm still fuckin' around with the C++ codebase :^)
[12:13:37] <chromas> fortunately nobody runs servers on windows, so fuck'em
[12:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder what the state of compiled perl executables is on winders nowadays.
[12:14:00] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Not great.
[12:14:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> been 10+ years since i even checked.
[12:14:31] * Subsentient notes that yet, he's still more comfortable in a C or C++ language.
[12:14:47] * Subsentient likes doing weird pointer tricks and having binary data being easy to work with
[12:15:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, take a break and let me pick yer brain for a minute
[12:15:12] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Alright.
[12:16:14] <chromas> Write a C compiler in perl 6
[12:16:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> given the following struct...
[12:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> typedef struct my_list_t {char string[MAX_ELEMENT_SIZE]; struct my_list_t* next; struct my_list_t* prev;} my_list_t;
[12:17:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> and...
[12:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> my_list_t* p = malloc( 1 * sizeof *p );
[12:19:02] * Subsentient is surprised TheMightyBuzzard knows obscure rules like being able to use *p as a sizeof parameter in the same declaration as p
[12:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> what's the proper way to set p->next as a pointer to a previous incarnation of p
[12:19:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, had to look it up
[12:19:27] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: other ways are sizeof(struct my_list_t)
[12:19:38] <Subsentient> but *p is quite portable and legal too.
[12:20:13] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: So, I see the linked list and the allocation, but, two questions
[12:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[12:20:35] <Subsentient> first is, you know p isn't zeroed out by malloc and that next and prev will have random values, right?
[12:20:48] <Subsentient> second is, what do you mean a "previous incarnation of p"
[12:21:11] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: use calloc to have it zeroed out at the time of allocation.
[12:21:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm, they aren't read from before they're written to though so the first should be fine. the second...
[12:23:08] * Subsentient pokes TheMightyBuzzard
[12:23:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean p->next should have the same address in its pointer as another `my_list_t* whatever` has in &whatever
[12:23:46] <Subsentient> that still doesn't make it quite clear. What are you actually trying to do?
[12:24:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> doubly linked list without having pointers to pointers to pointers ad infinitum
[12:24:21] <Subsentient> ahh
[12:24:34] <Subsentient> p->next = MyPointerToMyListT
[12:24:47] <Subsentient> p->next is equivalent to (*p).next
[12:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah? handy to know.
[12:25:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't be p->next = &q given an identical structure named q with a different address?
[12:26:01] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: each element of a linked list is usually dynamically allocated at the time it needs to exist, and OldLastElement->next is set to the return value of a malloc or calloc.
[12:26:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[12:26:30] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Is q a pointer to a structure or just a regular structure?
[12:26:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> same as p, a pointer
[12:27:13] <Subsentient> then &q returns the address of the POINTER q, not the address of what q points to. the address of what q points to is just 'q'
[12:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless i'm misunderstanding my_list_t* p = malloc( 1 * sizeof *p );
[12:27:25] <Subsentient> a pointer just holds an address, so unless you want to make a pointer-to-pointer
[12:27:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhhh, gotcha
[12:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> so by overthinking it i was causing myself prollems. wonderful.
[12:28:27] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: A pointer is a scalar variable, think of it like an int. Instead of usually being used to hold a number, it holds a memory address. Interestingly, you can explicitly convert to and from pointer <> integer if you really want to.
[12:28:46] <Subsentient> Just make sure the integer that holds your pointer is the same size as your pointer.
[12:28:56] <Subsentient> (and usually best to do it to unsigned)
[12:28:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:29:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should have just been printf-ing the values if i really wanted to know the memory address of what i was saying was the value of something.
[12:29:30] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: It's legal to have like quadruple indirection, like my_list_t ****QuadruplePointer
[12:29:51] <Subsentient> so that's a pointer to a pointer to a pointer to a pointer.
[12:30:07] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: your head hurt yet?
[12:30:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye flipping gods. i think i'll not go there for a while. even multiple perl indirections still hurt my brain.
[12:30:28] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: If you need more than double indirection, you're doing it wrong.
[12:30:41] <Subsentient> Nothing wrong with double indirection if used properly.
[12:31:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> never really needed a double even. yet...
[12:31:36] <Subsentient> libcpsl exploits double indirection to make linked lists much faster by having all elements contain a pointer to a dynamically allocated pointer that points to the list head and end.
[12:31:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[12:32:13] <Subsentient> That way, if the head or end changes, I don't need to iterate through every list element, I just set the value of the pointer that all of them already have the address of.
[12:32:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya i used a separate struct for that.
[12:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and baked the setting of head/tail into push/pop/shift/unshift
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[12:33:08] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: https://github.com
[12:33:09] <webscale> ^ 03libcpsl/linkedlist.c at master · Subsentient/libcpsl · GitHub
[12:33:13] <Subsentient> Might be good reading.
[12:33:16] <Subsentient> It's not a large file.
[12:33:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> like if you just put something on top of the list, it's tautological that it is now the head element. go ahead and set head
[12:35:31] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: libcpsl appends to the end of the list, but there's a pointer to the end element, so head doesn't change very often but adding elements is still fast. And since it's doubly linked, you can iterate either direction.
[12:35:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if you use a separate struct like struct Foo { my_list_t* head; my_list_t* tail; } Foo; you don't need to keep track within the elements themselves.
[12:36:04] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, but my way allows CPSL functions to perform list-wide operations given a pointer to any random element.
[12:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, see i explicitly do not want to be able to access elements except via addition or removal.
[12:37:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> destroy on read if you will.
[12:37:22] <Subsentient> ahh
[12:37:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> less useful as a gp list but damned light n speedy for what it does.
[12:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's mostly going to be used to queue up data to be processed by the thread that can access the perl interpreter without causing a segfault.
[12:40:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i did overbuild it a bit for essentially working as a fifo though
[12:58:33] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[12:59:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~g'day Bytram
[12:59:34] * exec half-heartedly launches a crust of spinning rust toward Bytram
[12:59:42] <Bytram> hola
[12:59:45] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:59:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2327
[12:59:48] <Bytram> !uid
[12:59:48] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6149, owned by antam
[12:59:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:59:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2328
[13:00:00] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[13:00:02] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 36°F, mostly cloudy, wind SW at 15 mph, humidity 66% - Monday cloudy (35°F:50°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (41°F:49°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (53°F:69°F), Thursday rain (39°F:57°F)
[13:00:04] <Bytram> ~weather portland me
[13:00:06] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 32°F, mostly cloudy, wind S at 10 mph, humidity 59% - Monday rain (29°F:43°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (35°F:45°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (42°F:58°F), Thursday rain (31°F:48°F)
[13:00:08] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[13:00:10] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 22°F, snow, wind SE at 8 mph, humidity 71% - Monday snow showers (19°F:38°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (13°F:36°F), Wednesday showers (27°F:45°F), Thursday partly cloudy (20°F:36°F)
[13:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, that's not bad. we hit 6k in 2016, right?
[13:00:28] <Bytram> looks like a warm spell is coming along
[13:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[13:00:35] <MrPlow> Today: Clouds and some sun this morning with more clouds for this afternoon. High 72F. Winds S at 15 to 25 mph. Tomorrow: Cloudy skies. High 74F. Winds SSE at 10 to 20 mph.
[13:00:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, nice
[13:00:43] <Bytram> thereabouts... let me look
[13:01:19] <Bytram> 00006000 2015-12-21 17:57:02 "alliance1986"
[13:01:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[13:01:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> still not bad.
[13:01:35] <Bytram> oh!
[13:01:51] <Bytram> had an idea last night... can MrPlow call python?
[13:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, if i really wanted him to, yeah.
[13:02:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> he can call any external script/executable that can be run on boron
[13:02:53] <Bytram> if so, cmn has code he got from JR that scrapes story text given a URL; MrPlow could invoke THAT and submit the entire text (with disclaimer) for Eds to use; would be MUCH easier to make that into a story.
[13:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> he just doesn't cause that would be a security nightmare if there was user input involved.
[13:03:09] <Bytram> hrrrm
[13:03:12] * Subsentient notes aqu4bot is 100% C
[13:03:29] <Bytram> well, you get the idea, right?
[13:03:50] <Bytram> and you ARE already processing user input in the URL you are scraping
[13:03:57] <Bytram> this is taking the same URL, and scraping a bit more
[13:03:59] <Bytram> =)
[13:04:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, nod nod and MrPlow is all perl but there's `/usr/bin/foo $args` or system or exec that can all call external stuff.
[13:04:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yes but i'm not putting user input on the shell command line
[13:05:09] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: The nice thing about C is that it doesn't support reflection like python or perl, so it's impossible to execute arbitrary code unless you find a buffer overflow or other bug.
[13:05:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> given a url of "http://foo.bar/whatever'; rm -rf /home" would be bad.
[13:05:39] <Bytram> echo #submit URL <-- isn't the URL user input?
[13:05:39] <webscale> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[13:06:03] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[13:06:03] <webscale> ^✓ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[13:06:13] * Bytram breaks into 1700+ stories posted
[13:06:29] <Bytram> not too shabby for 'the QA guy'
[13:07:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, ya, i'm not worried about perl itself executing arbitrary code cause i code in such a way as it cannot happen. Bytram is essentially asking for something to be put on the command line of one of our servers though.
[13:07:52] <chromas> use a pipe
[13:08:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose i could but meh.
[13:08:46] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: The more you work with pointers, the easier it gets. Soon, indirection won't scare you anymore.
[13:09:04] <chromas> you only need the python code to process the html. you don't have to pass it a url
[13:09:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[13:09:19] <chromas> or if that code's available to us plebs, we could put it to work in exec
[13:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[13:10:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> putting the entire text of an article in a sub though? why would eds possibly want this?
[13:10:16] <chromas> the arthur bot already does that
[13:10:18] * Bytram watches the wheels turn and smiles in amazement... THIS is what I love about this bunch of nerds!
[13:10:28] <chromas> but with urls from feeds instead of irc users
[13:11:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's much easier to open a new tab and grab what you want than to have to delete all the irrelevant bits, i'd think.
[13:11:41] <chromas> you could also limit to the first couple paragraphs or something
[13:12:18] <chromas> the important thing is extracting the body text of html is complimicated since there's no standard or anything and the arthur code can do it
[13:12:26] <Bytram> from an Eds standpoint, if scraping is done, it's nice to have the whole shebang to work from... saves having to go off and merge from another source.
[13:12:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i coulda done that on mrplow already. i decided against it cause it's a severe embuggerance to find out what the actual story text is given a web page of random layout.
[13:12:44] <Bytram> and that is what Arthur has already solved. =)
[13:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, this i do not believe.
[13:13:10] <Bytram> yep, is true!
[13:13:59] <Bytram> there may be some special casing depending on source URL, I dunno. JR wrote it, cmn (who is currently on vacation) has a copy and I've seen the output; is exactly as I described
[13:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, that is not possible. you cannot tell what is part of a story and what is a paragraph showing the copyright footer without rules for each url.
[13:14:47] <chromas> you can look for large chunks of text
[13:15:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i didn't even attempt to write such cause i'd demand actual accuracy.
[13:15:07] <chromas> divs full
[13:15:12] <Bytram> google could never scrape the web with all those different formatting styles
[13:15:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> google DOES catch bad results.
[13:15:34] <Bytram> well, whatever it does, it does it more than well enough for our neeeds.
[13:15:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[13:15:46] <Bytram> it == arthur T knackerbracket
[13:16:10] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: you're not gonna let a PYTHON bot beat your perl bot at text processing…are you?
[13:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, the blurb MrPlow puts in now is 100% accurate, guaranteed.
[13:16:54] <chromas> but next to useless
[13:17:00] <chromas> single-sentence summaries
[13:17:09] <Bytram> instead of talking in circles... I just did a site search on Knackerbracket; first story that came up, followed the "original submission" link: https://soylentnews.org
[13:17:10] <webscale> ^ 03SN Submission by Arthur T Knackerbracket: Pirate Bay Founders 'Cleared of Copyright Crimes' in Belgium
[13:17:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> that depends entirely on how useful a site owner wants their site to be.
[13:17:13] <Bytram> ^^ see for yourself
[13:18:13] <Bytram> here's another Knackerbracket submission: https://soylentnews.org
[13:18:14] <webscale> ^ 03SN Submission by Arthur T Knackerbracket: Oxford Uni unearths 800-year-old document to seize domain names
[13:19:14] * Bytram looks for a non-El Reg story
[13:19:26] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[13:19:27] <webscale> ^ 03SN Submission by Arthur T Knackerbracket: Boeing Patent Puts Focus on Laser-Powered Propulsion System
[13:20:48] <Bytram> is fine if, for some reason arthur barfs on processing a URL, to just say THAT in the sub... and include your summary-line, too.
[13:20:55] <Bytram> so, food for thought.
[13:21:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll ponder about it but i really dislike fuzzy results. it offends my ocd tendencies.
[13:22:01] <Bytram> if it meets your clients needs, and they are willing to accept non-OCD results... why not?
[13:22:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause ocd is by definition not logical =P
[13:23:11] <Bytram> how *can* you be sure about that? =)
[13:23:52] <chromas> fuzzy's okay. you can just make it have a perfect, exact fuzziness ;)
[13:23:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid bot is segfaulting on launch for some reason now. i must've broken something but damned if i remember what and gdb and i are barely on speaking terms.
[13:24:18] <Bytram> chromas++ Exact fuzz!
[13:24:18] <Bender> karma - chromas: 159
[13:24:51] <chromas> run visualstudio in wine to debug :D
[13:25:52] * TheMightyBuzzard boggles at chromas
[13:26:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> gdb says the bug's in main somewheres at least.
[13:26:28] * chromas scrabbles
[13:27:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i know what it is...
[13:28:14] <Bytram> Remember the Main!
[13:28:19] <Bytram> oh, wait. ;)
[13:28:56] * chromas plugs fork into main
[13:29:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> wewt, finally figured out what was causing it to bork.
[13:31:02] <Bytram> yeha
[13:31:05] <Bytram> what was it?
[13:31:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was having issues with pop-ing an empty list.
[13:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> just gotta put a little logic in there so that don't happen no more and bob's yer uncle
[13:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> after a smoke
[13:33:30] <Bytram> Wait, Robert is my Dad's Brother? Really?
[13:36:23] <chromas> no
[13:36:27] <chromas> yo mama's
[13:37:41] <Bytram> oh, Robert is my Momma's Brother? Okaaaaay.
[13:37:49] <Bytram> that splains things!
[13:37:51] <Bytram> <grin>
[13:38:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China's Central Planner: Economy Will "Absolutely Not" Experience Hard Landing - http://sylnt.us - promises
[13:56:43] * TheMightyBuzzard does the dance of conquered segfaults
[13:59:02] <Bytram> ~time x
[13:59:04] <exec> Monday, 7 March 2016 @ 1:59 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[14:01:30] <Bytram> dancing is good for the soul
[14:01:56] <Bytram> afk (getting ready for work) biab
[14:03:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:06:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, had a != where I should have had an ==
[14:08:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> and segfaulted again. a new and exciting segfault though.
[14:10:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll figure it out later.
[14:28:29] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[14:28:38] <Bytram|away> ok, gtg
[14:28:52] <Bytram|away> back later tonight
[14:36:43] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Beginning C development is 80% segfaults.
[14:36:51] <Subsentient> You'll move past it eventually.
[15:40:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Do Wild Chimpanzees Throw Stones at Trees? - http://sylnt.us - stationary-targets-are-the-easiest
[15:55:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, rebeginning. as in learned a_while_back but a_while_back = "20 years ago"
[15:55:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and haven't touched it except in the sense of "hacking other people's already working code" since
[16:13:02] -!- nick has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[16:27:25] -!- nick [nick!~nick@Soylent/Staff/Editor/n1] has joined #Soylent
[16:27:25] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v nick] by Aphrodite
[17:42:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Email Pioneer Ray Tomlinson Dead at 74 - http://sylnt.us - rest@peace
[17:42:05] <Gravis> winner: https://www.youtube.com
[17:42:06] <webscale> ^ 03How to make a baby stop crying - YouTube
[17:45:16] * Subsentient vomits all over the floor and smears it around with TheMightyBuzzard's waning hair
[17:46:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Subsentient
[17:46:00] * MrPlow smakes Subsentient upside the head with a cluebat
[17:46:04] * Subsentient flicks the buzzard puke mop at Gravis
[17:47:57] <Subsentient> $godzilla
[17:47:57] * aqu4 turns into Godzilla and begins to wreak havoc upon you all
[17:47:58] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:47:59] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:00] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:01] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:01] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:02] * aqu4 eats swiss
[17:48:03] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:04] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:05] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:05] * aqu4 craps out swiss on Aphrodite
[17:48:06] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:07] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:08] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:09] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[17:48:09] * aqu4 slowly shrinks back to normal size and scampers off
[17:48:25] <Runaway1956> WTF?
[17:48:42] <Subsentient> $burrito Runaway1956
[17:48:42] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Runaway1956
[17:53:28] <swiss> what are you doing to me
[17:54:26] -!- NotSanguine has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de]
[17:55:28] <SoyGuest18858> giving you a fish
[17:55:32] * SoyGuest18858 gives swiss a calico bass
[17:55:37] <nick> ahoy
[17:55:48] <SoyGuest18858> ah crap why am I SoyGuestSomeShite.
[17:56:06] SoyGuest18858 is now known as AndyTheAbsurd
[17:56:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. linode took a crap for about 5m the other day.
[17:56:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> hi nick.
[17:56:47] * AndyTheAbsurd gives nick a fajita
[17:57:00] <nick> woohooo!
[17:58:10] <nick> need to try and find a place to get some laundry done today
[18:00:16] <Runaway1956> I thought all the laundromats in the world were closed on Monday, like barbary shops
[18:00:41] <Runaway1956> Pirates need their rest too, ya know.
[18:01:03] <nick> well i hope not
[18:01:20] <nick> im still quite amazed grocery stores are open until 10pm here, even on a sunday
[18:01:44] <Runaway1956> Where is "here", today?
[18:02:19] <nick> im still in uruguay, i've decided to miss out on my trip to brazil
[18:02:51] <Runaway1956> I'm jealous - I've never been to South America
[18:03:07] <nick> going to try and see some more land and such, do productive things rather than tourist things
[18:03:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> nick: Are you doing this globetrotting thing while doing contract/freelance software work or what?
[18:03:32] <Runaway1956> Want to go on a motorcycle though, and ride the world's deadliest highway through the old Incan Empire
[18:03:52] <nick> AndyTheAbsurd: just a couple weeks away right now, not globe trotting these days, too much work in the UK
[18:03:56] * AndyTheAbsurd knows you've been traveling a bunch but hasn't noticed if you've been working to fund it.
[18:04:11] <nick> but the plan is to transition into doing more desk based stuff
[18:04:25] <nick> usually i'm on construction sites of varying degrees of insanity in london
[18:04:56] <nick> ive been working non-stop for the last few months, every day for 12hrs+
[18:05:12] <nick> getting out to south america is a way i can get away from working, and actually get progress towards a decent future
[18:05:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> Damn! What do you do? Guessing you're not a software guy if you spend that much time on construction sites.
[18:05:30] <nick> if im in london, if im not sleeping or eating, i have no excuse not to be working kind of thing
[18:06:05] <nick> yeah, not a software guy. i do a lot of things though, jack of all trades, master of none.
[18:06:36] <nick> ive recently been project managing a apartment renovation and extension build, which is what paid for this trip
[18:06:56] <nick> but most of the time i commission phsyical and electronic security systems
[18:07:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> too bad - I happen to be in touch with the founder of jPOS, who lives in Montevideo; could have gotten you two in touch to see if you could get work in Uruguay.
[18:07:08] <nick> physical
[18:07:36] <nick> could be good to know in the future, thanks.
[18:07:52] <nick> this was my first trip to south america, before i made the full decision to go native if you know what i mean
[18:08:34] <nick> it's either try and do something out here, with nothing to lose really, or keep doing what everyone else does and get a mortgage on a shoebox so i can continue to work 12hrs+ a day to pay for it
[18:09:40] <nick> want to provide options to friends and family if they get stick of the rat race and ever growing debt that london enables
[18:10:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> "get a mortgage on a shoebox so i can continue to work 12hrs+ a day to pay for it" <-- definition of hell IMO
[18:11:27] <nick> which is what everyone apparently does, and there's no way to beat the system with how it works
[18:11:50] <nick> i have a lot of work in the UK right now, most of it is based off money coming in from the middle east, to do quick builds on all levels of property
[18:11:57] <nick> who then sell it to chinese or russian investors
[18:12:13] <nick> who then rent it out to suckers that were born in the country, or moved there for the 'opportunity'
[18:12:47] <nick> which is pushing prices up in london around £100,000 a year at the moment on an 'average home', while the average wage is still about £25k
[18:13:07] <nick> and the quality of these homes is getting less and less, what we're building now wont still be standing in 20 years
[18:13:14] <nick> but they still cost half a million USD
[18:13:41] <Runaway1956> That bit about not standing in 20 years - that's what hurts a craftsman more than anything else
[18:13:54] <Runaway1956> When I build something, I intend it to LAST for a LONG TIME
[18:14:17] <nick> and aside from the pming i did, every job i'm working on, only a handful of specialists even speak english, let alone live in the country
[18:14:30] <nick> the main work is being done by imported labour from all over europe or india
[18:15:16] <nick> and i dont blame them for it, they can work in london for a year or so, and then build homes for all their families back where they came from
[18:15:49] <nick> whilst the world 0.001% use the UK property market to launder their cash, and price the population out of existence
[18:16:25] <nick> but thats what we get for being the 'world's largest financial centre'
[18:16:34] <nick> with all those very attractive tax haven dependencies
[18:16:42] <Gravis> money is stupid
[18:17:38] <nick> Runaway1956: traditional building that was done in the UK takes a lot of time, brick and mortar for real.
[18:17:51] <nick> now it's all prefab stuff that could blow away in the wind
[18:18:12] <nick> but you get a whole site with a dozen apartments from nothing to completed in 6-9months
[18:18:14] <Runaway1956> Yep, tell me about it. That's what we have here in the states as well
[18:18:26] <nick> each apartment is $300k+
[18:18:32] <nick> costs about 20p to build.
[18:18:46] <Gravis> nick: only if you are using machine labor
[18:19:17] <nick> machine labour/polish/indians on £1/hr
[18:19:20] <nick> makes little difference
[18:19:43] <Subsentient> Just thought I'd mention the only other country besides USA I've been to was Mexico for cheap dental work.
[18:19:52] <nick> thats how some of the larger companies, especially in 'logistics' get around minimum wage
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[18:20:05] <nick> you hire people in poland for 1 euro an hour or whatever the minimum is there
[18:20:13] <nick> and then bus them over to the UK/Germany/Wherever to work
[18:20:17] <nick> then bus them back on the weekend
[18:20:37] <Subsentient> $godzilla
[18:20:37] * aqu4 turns into Godzilla and begins to wreak havoc upon you all
[18:20:37] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:38] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:39] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:40] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:41] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:41] * aqu4 eats exec
[18:20:42] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:43] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:44] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:45] * aqu4 craps out exec on Tachyon_
[18:20:45] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:46] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:47] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:48] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[18:20:49] * aqu4 slowly shrinks back to normal size and scampers off
[18:21:38] <Gravis> Subsentient: does aqu4 have any other functions?
[18:21:45] * Runaway1956 puts down some rat poison
[18:21:51] <Subsentient> Gravis: quite a few.
[18:21:52] <Subsentient> $help
[18:21:52] <aqu4> Hi, I'm aqu4bot, version "baking", running on UNIX. I'm a bot written in pure C by Subsentient [http://universe2.us/]. My source code can be found at "http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot/". Try the 'commands' command to get a list of what I can do, or try 'help cmd' where 'cmd' is a particular command.
[18:21:54] <Subsentient> $commands
[18:21:54] <aqu4> Commands with 1 star = admins only, 2 stars = owners only. Commands available:
[18:21:55] <aqu4> burrito, beer, godzilla4**, wz, guessinggame, sr, time, title, ddg, coin, seen, tell, sticky, replace, whoami, tail8*, msg8*, memsg8*, noticemsg8*, chanctl8*, join8*, part8*, cycle8*, debug8*, nickchange4**, admin4**, blacklist8*, netwrite4**, quit4**, restart4**, help, commands
[18:22:08] <Gravis> aqu4: can anyone use them?
[18:22:12] <Gravis> Subsentient: can anyone use them?
[18:22:22] <Subsentient> Read the permission stuff in the above $commands output.
[18:23:12] <Gravis> no that's ok... i just wanted to be sure that it was worth ignoring
[18:23:44] <Subsentient> $coin Should Gravis ignore you?
[18:23:44] * aqu4 flips a special edition USA quarter on "Should Gravis ignore you?"
[18:23:45] <aqu4> I got heads.
[18:24:35] <Subsentient> Gravis: but I use the $tell command frequently. It's useful and anyone can use it. Along with $sticky.
[18:28:09] <Runaway1956> my reality bubbles are almost ready for use - I'm going to miss you humans
[18:28:32] * Subsentient bites Runaway1956 's reality bubbles with his little bucky rat teeth
[18:28:57] <Runaway1956> HA-HA! That was the rat poison I put down earlier
[18:29:17] * Subsentient is a transdimension cyan rat, can't be killed
[18:29:23] <Subsentient> transdimensional**
[18:29:58] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: I'm behind you on the shelf. Don't look.
[18:30:24] <Runaway1956> You humans don't realize what you've created - but I'm leaving now.
[18:30:32] * nick hat tip
[18:30:33] * Runaway1956 considers taking the rat with me
[18:34:59] * Subsentient bites Runaway1956 on the nose
[18:37:38] <Gravis> Subsentient: no, that little godzilla bullshit is really reason enough to ignore aqu4. there is no need for it and you just love to play with it.
[18:37:58] <Subsentient> Gravis: Aww, you're no fun. :^(
[18:38:33] <nick> thats the good thing about having Gravis around, makes me look like a happy go lucky type dude
[18:39:06] <Gravis> Subsentient: it's only fun if you are the person that's pestering everyone else
[18:39:23] * Subsentient pesters Gravis
[18:39:34] <Subsentient> pester pester
[18:40:13] * Subsentient makes weird llama noises and snarling sounds in Gravis' ear
[18:42:18] <Gravis> Subsentient: you contribute to no conversations, aren't helpful with coding and just generally bothersome. so... any reason i shouldn't /ignore you too?
[18:43:11] * Subsentient glares at Gravis, quietly drops a little rat turd in his coffee.
[18:44:14] <Subsentient> You are a bad tempered, ill mannered, overly serious killjoy SJW with a superiority complex.
[18:45:07] <Subsentient> I do what I do for fun and I never mean any harm, but you have a talent for derailing any conversation into some holy war, being far more bothersome than I could ever hope to be.
[18:46:22] <Gravis> what you do is waste everyone's time with unfunny antics
[18:46:46] <Subsentient> And you give everyone chronic migraines.
[18:47:37] <Subsentient> I have a saying I've had for some years. "The moment you think you are better is the moment you are not."
[18:47:41] <Subsentient> \
[18:49:31] <Gravis> oh and now those unfunny antics are ignored
[18:50:46] <Subsentient> Good.
[18:50:49] <Subsentient> $burrito Gravis
[18:50:50] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Gravis
[18:50:51] <Subsentient> $burrito Gravis
[18:50:51] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Gravis
[18:50:52] <Subsentient> $burrito Gravis
[18:50:52] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Gravis
[18:50:53] <Subsentient> $burrito Gravis
[18:50:53] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Gravis
[18:51:03] * Subsentient shits in Gravis' gaping mouth
[18:51:34] * Subsentient bites off Gravis' nipples and pukes them down Barack Obama's throat
[18:52:46] <nick> https://www.youtube.com
[18:52:47] <webscale> ^ 03Junk Science Scott Thorough - 30 Lives - YouTube
[18:53:32] <Subsentient> nick: what's that?
[18:54:03] <nick> is just a tune i like
[18:54:44] <Subsentient> nick: Want a serious song I like or something funny?
[18:54:54] <nick> both?
[18:54:59] <Subsentient> Here's the funny: https://www.youtube.com
[18:55:00] <webscale> ^ 03Asskick - I Fuck My Horse - YouTube
[18:55:36] <Subsentient> Here's the serious: https://www.youtube.com
[18:55:37] <webscale> ^ 03Tool - Lateralus [HD] - YouTube
[18:55:59] <nick> can't go wrong with tool
[18:56:18] <Subsentient> You really can't. I love Maynard's stuff.
[18:56:36] <nick> not a band i listen to very often, but a band i can very much appreciate every time i do
[18:59:04] <Subsentient> nick: I like A Perfect Circle quite a bit too.
[19:01:21] <nick> never really listened to them, generally i'm not a fan of 'singing' - i like my music instrumental, screamed or rapped for the most part heh
[19:01:53] <Subsentient> nick: Yeah I can't work with any music that has words.
[19:01:58] <nick> there are a few exceptions, acoustic folk stuff and the major one probably being System of a Down.
[19:02:17] <nick> Serj Tankian is just great
[19:02:31] <Subsentient> nick: What do you call a disabled kid with a drum set?
[19:02:40] <Subsentient> Syndrome of a down.
[19:03:04] <nick> heh
[19:03:37] <nick> also as i mentioned the other day, Devin Townsend is a true professional and i really dig what he does.
[19:05:05] <Subsentient> Why are half of tool's music videos these creepy bald people with road rash?
[19:05:19] <Subsentient> And maybe spaghetti for hair...
[19:05:23] <nick> artistic cohesion
[19:05:59] <Subsentient> I got your artistic cohesion right here.
[19:06:01] * Subsentient rips a wet one
[19:06:35] <Subsentient> nick: https://www.youtube.com
[19:06:36] <webscale> ^ 03Tool- Schism Music Video (HD) - YouTube
[19:07:25] <nick> schism is probably the only tool song i know quite well
[19:08:02] <nick> really need to go find a place to get my laundry done
[19:08:09] <nick> and probably something for lunch
[19:08:20] <nick> although unlikely at the same place
[19:08:26] <Subsentient> I know lateralus pretty well, right in two, reflection, eulogy, opiate, vicarious
[19:08:46] <Subsentient> nick: you could eat the laundry soap from those little vending machines...?
[19:09:45] <nick> perhaps
[19:10:24] <Subsentient> nick: https://www.youtube.com
[19:10:25] <webscale> ^ 03Tool - Right in Two [1080p HD] - YouTube
[19:11:50] <nick> i'll check it out when i get back from trying to find lavadero
[19:11:56] <Subsentient> kk
[19:13:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Laptop Bomb" Attack in Somalia - http://sylnt.us - worse-than-exploding-batteries
[19:27:56] <Runaway1956> How do you tell a freind that you appreciate him?
[19:28:04] <Runaway1956> https://www.rt.com
[19:28:05] <webscale> ^ 03Migrants rape friend at Norwegian asylum center, shoot crime on video — RT News
[19:43:06] * AndyTheAbsurd puts on Tool's "Undertow" album
[20:05:29] <nick> no lavadero was found, but got myself a chivito for lunch :D
[20:09:50] <nick> when the national dish is a steak, bacon and egg sandwich... i know i'm in the right country
[20:11:53] <nick> those migrants need to learn that before you can film rape in the west, you have to joint a sports team
[20:12:03] <nick> join*
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[20:44:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quantum Computer Comes Closer to Cracking RSA Encryption - http://sylnt.us - going-to-need-a-new-secret-encoder-ring
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[22:12:16] <SirFinkus> trying my cold brewed coffee
[22:12:52] <paulej72> hrmm. wonder what gets left out ouf cold brewed coffee
[22:13:07] <SirFinkus> it's fucking disgusting, like normal coffee
[22:13:17] <paulej72> needs more sugar
[22:13:29] <SirFinkus> so coffee is shit
[22:13:36] <SirFinkus> because you need to add stuff to it to make it drinkable
[22:14:26] <Runaway1956> Flour is shit, because you have to add stuff to it to make it edible
[22:14:41] <SirFinkus> nobody says they fucking love flour though
[22:15:00] <Runaway1956> Some of us love coffee
[22:15:21] <SirFinkus> it's objectively shit
[22:15:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineers Develop Flexible Skin That Traps Radar Waves, Cloaks Objects - http://sylnt.us - hiding-from-bats
[22:16:44] <paulej72> looks like caffeine, oils and fatty acids in the coffee are not as soluble with room temp water. so less acidic lower caffeine levels in your coffee
[22:25:37] <nick> SirFinkus: does not drink coffee?
[22:25:44] <SirFinkus> no
[22:25:45] <SirFinkus> tea
[22:25:53] <nick> SirFinkus++
[22:25:53] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 31
[22:26:08] <nick> you're alright
[22:26:41] <SirFinkus> I'm better than alright
[22:26:44] <SirFinkus> I'm pretty much the best
[22:28:34] <nick> http://in.reuters.com
[22:28:35] <webscale> ^ 03Bangladesh central bank says U.S. account hacked; Fed denies breach| Reuters