#Soylent | Logs for 2016-04-28
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[00:13:19] <StankHo> Sup bitxhes.
[00:14:49] <StankHo> Chat.soylentnews.org? It's muthafuckin IRC
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[00:23:41] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[00:23:42] <TransBotula> ^ 03Next Big Future: First drone command center installed on a Aircraft Carrier
[00:24:27] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[00:24:28] <TransBotula> ^ 03Next Big Future: European space agency will use four larger ion thrusters
[00:30:29] <Gravis> takyon: this: https://soylentnews.org
[00:30:29] <TransBotula> ^✓ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:1, Redundant)
[00:54:34] <takyon> uh yeah i saw it
[00:54:46] <takyon> makemakemakemakemakemakemakemake
[00:56:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SWIFT: Fraudulent Messages Sent Over International Bank Transfer System - http://sylnt.us - don't-pass-the-buck
[01:43:35] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:43:41] <takyon> jjlnllnlnllnnlnklklnlk
[01:53:41] <Subsentient> takyon: amen
[01:53:44] <Subsentient> jrhfgsjhdewjglkjehwdkrjdkjfhvweksdjfchkjhedkjfwrhfkjhweskj
[01:53:54] <takyon> content
[01:53:55] <takyon> jjgddggsdigjigjsi
[01:58:20] <SirFinkus> "The proposed legislation faces hurdles to becoming a law, including privacy concerns. But Félix W. Ortiz, a Democratic assemblyman who was a sponsor of the bipartisan Textalyzer bill, said it would not give the police access to the contents of any emails or texts. It would simply give them a way to catch multitasking drivers, he said."
[01:58:23] <SirFinkus> EVERY DAMN TIME
[01:58:37] <SirFinkus> and people STILL fall for this shit
[01:59:13] <SirFinkus> they're trying to make it so if you're in a crash, they will take your phone and hook it to a machine that will check if you've been texting while driving
[01:59:24] <SirFinkus> if you don't, your license gets suspended
[01:59:45] <SirFinkus> other concern: what if I don't have a cell phone?
[01:59:55] <SirFinkus> I guess I'm fucked because they won't believe me
[01:59:56] <chromas> even if I slip it into my pocket before they get there?
[02:00:50] <Bytram> hand it to your passenger? I was trying to operate safely and had *them* do the texting.
[02:01:40] <SirFinkus> I'm under no illusions, they just want to root through your phone
[02:02:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:02:25] <chromas> give them a fake phone with a charged capacitor hooked to the connector
[02:02:39] <Bytram> or, should I say: "gnawed gnawed" at my privacy
[02:03:12] <Bytram> or a real one that charges by induction as well as your special connector?
[02:03:35] * chromas nicknames it the beaver bill
[02:03:46] <Bytram> iow you can charge it safely, inductively. Just don't use the connector.
[02:04:00] * Bytram slaps his tail in warning
[02:04:57] <Bytram> on a positive note: http://www.forbes.com
[02:04:58] <TransBotula> ^ 03House Passes Bill Requiring A Warrant Before Feds Read Your Email Without Ever Telling You
[02:05:21] <chromas> is it real?
[02:06:10] <chromas> or does it feature an unnoticed cross-fingers clause?
[02:06:21] <Bytram> I dunno.
[02:06:54] <chromas> forbes-- # quote of the day page redirect
[02:06:54] <Bender> karma - forbes: -3
[02:07:19] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[02:07:20] <TransBotula> ^ 03America edges closer to get-a-proper-warrant-to-read-my-email law • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[02:07:48] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[02:07:49] <TransBotula> ^ 03US House unanimously passed bill requiring warrants for e-mail | Ars Technica
[02:08:14] <Bytram> looks like it is real... now the question is how *good* is it at its stated purpose?
[02:08:57] <SirFinkus> shitty, nsa gives no fucks
[02:09:02] <SirFinkus> they just pull everything off the wire anyway
[02:09:20] <Bytram> and, for that matter, how much of it will remain intact if it should ultimately become a law?
[02:09:21] <SirFinkus> better than nothing I suppose
[02:09:23] <Bytram> https://www.congress.gov
[02:09:24] <TransBotula> ^ 03H.R.699 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Email Privacy Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
[02:12:02] * Bytram would sure like to know why his connection now keeps dropping.
[02:27:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fisker Automotive Comes Back Under New Name, Plans to Launch Electric Car - http://sylnt.us - good-luck-with-that
[02:31:16] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[02:31:18] <TransBotula> ^ 03Time for a patch: six vulns fixed in NTP daemon • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[02:38:28] <Bytram> time to move on...
[02:38:38] <Bytram> ~gnight #soylent
[02:38:40] * exec clumsily embiggens an attack helicopter of eyeball jelly with #soylent
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[02:39:03] <chromas> I wonder if systemd's implementation has those flaws :D
[02:39:08] <chromas> ~g'night sir
[02:39:10] * exec suspiciously internalizes a D cup of poop cola in sir
[02:41:32] * chromas is reminded of Pop Dawgg, the Poop Cola Gangsta Spectre o' Defeat, in effect
[03:00:03] <takyon> way
[03:00:05] <takyon> wat
[03:58:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Romero and Carmack (the other one) Together Again - http://sylnt.us - good-fun-fighting-the-baddies
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[07:31:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Theresa May: UK Should Stay in the EU, but Discard the European Convention on Human Rights - http://sylnt.us - human-rights-are-a-privilege
[07:51:57] <crutchy> britain should stop being a bitch of brussels
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[08:45:35] <Webbyatwork> Greetings programs
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[09:23:58] <FatPhil> Ug. My job is email. We've been pestered by big ISPs for a "legal interception" feature for many months.
[09:24:15] <FatPhil> So we knew this was coming.
[09:25:35] <FatPhil> better to be official, than just hacked.
[09:33:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FDA Panel Recommends Rejection of Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy Treatment - http://sylnt.us
[10:26:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:26:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2509
[10:26:57] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:26:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2510
[10:35:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmon, coffee n adderall... kick in or i'm goin back to sleep
[10:36:57] <Webbyatwork> cooffee and a smoke, damn good idea BRB
[10:37:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[10:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost smoke time here again too
[10:56:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ##seen X #test
[10:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ##seen #test X
[10:57:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, did i comment out my debug statements?
[10:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, wrong channel
[11:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube you may be right
[11:29:55] <MrPlow> 0ü)Ä|
[11:30:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake himself
[11:30:07] * MrPlow smakes himself upside the head with a red Swingline stapler
[11:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> you goin down, MrPlow
[11:31:26] <crutchy> poor MrPlow
[11:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> #quit
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[11:31:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> MrPlöw ääpëärs tø håvë sømē īssüës thįs mørnïng.
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[11:33:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #quit
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[11:33:18] <crutchy> yeah. like, why the fuck did he call tmb master?
[11:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i am da boss of him
[11:34:16] <crutchy> maybe that's just what he wants you to think. in the meantime he's taken your boat out
[11:34:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High School Student Expelled for Sending Spam from Hacked Accounts - http://sylnt.us - should-have-done-a-'fund-raiser'-for-the-football-team
[11:34:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> joke's on him. fishing's sposed to be dead all day.
[11:34:54] <crutchy> he'll just #smake dem fooshes
[11:35:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> who said he took your boat out to *fish*?
[11:36:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> maybe he just wants to find a quiet spot to go skinny dipping.
[11:37:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair point
[11:37:42] <crutchy> he's hanging out with ciri
[11:37:57] <crutchy> making baby bots
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[11:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube you may be right
[11:41:12] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[11:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> #quit
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[11:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube you may be right
[11:42:34] <MrPlow> €²)ìÿ
[11:42:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, weird
[11:43:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> #quit
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[11:43:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube you may be right
[11:45:31] <cmn32480> I may be crazy.... but it just may be a looooooonatic you're looking for....
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[11:45:55] <cmn32480> Turn out the lights!
[11:46:08] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:46:10] * exec abnormally embiggens a bathtub of pain with TheMightyBuzzard
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[11:46:18] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[11:46:20] * exec ironically farts a pile of null terminators at crutchy
[11:46:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[11:46:26] * exec hideously cracks open a pair of used panties full of lima beans for cmn32480
[11:46:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> #join #test
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[11:56:56] <crutchy> ~g'day cmn32480 o/
[11:56:58] * exec figuratively runs the Installshield Wizard to set up a wallet of windows 98 for cmn32480
[11:58:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> any of you Soylentils ever use Bitcoin to pay for something in a brick-and-mortar store?
[11:58:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> If so, what's the process for doing that like?
[11:58:39] <cmn32480> what's bitcoin?
[11:58:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> (Turns out my local burrito shop has a "Bitcoin" option in their tablet-based point-of-sale system.)
[11:58:51] <chromas> digital toilet paper
[11:58:54] <cmn32480> and further, what's a bri-and-mortar store?
[11:59:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bitcoin is the worst idea in money since fiat currency.
[12:00:00] <Webbyatwork> Everyone raves about it, then you try and explain that its a deflationary currency
[12:00:12] <Webbyatwork> then you realise that most people just don't understand economics
[12:00:21] <Webbyatwork> so you explain fractional reserve banking and inflation
[12:00:26] <Webbyatwork> and it scares the CRAP out of them
[12:00:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'd say that "inherently deflationary" is actually one of the lesser of BTC's problems.
[12:00:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, bitcoin transactions take ~10m to get one verification. you could scam the entire fuck out of anyone who allowed instant bitcoin transactions.
[12:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i'm not waiting around 10m to pay for shit
[12:01:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> The fact that it's "value" is *entirely* based on the perception that is *has* value is IMO its biggest issue.
[12:01:41] <chromas> so it's just like real money then ;)
[12:01:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, that's what ALL value is based on.
[12:02:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing on this earth has intrinsic value. value is subjective.
[12:02:07] * chromas passes out Bart Bucks
[12:02:20] * chromas also passes out Butt Bucks
[12:02:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, but the US government will send men with guns to put me in prison if I don't pay my US taxes in US dollars. And most people value their freedom.
[12:03:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> So there's guaranteed to be at least one entity accepting US dollars as payment. No such guarantee with BTC.
[12:03:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> SFW? it's still monopoly money. that people have to pay taxes with it only means the government agrees to take it.
[12:03:57] <chromas> same guarantee with btc as you'd have with them taking credit cards or whatever. they just need a terminal to handle it
[12:04:09] <Webbyatwork> You can pay taxes with credit?
[12:04:10] <chromas> and it's not required
[12:04:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> here, have a slip of paper. we swear it's good money. you can trust us, we're the government.
[12:04:26] <Webbyatwork> Don't think thats allowed in the UK, but ive never tried
[12:04:52] <Webbyatwork> actually you can't as a salaried employee as its taken from pay via the PAYE system
[12:05:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> Webbyatwork: Funny story - I actually paid my US taxes this year with credit; but it looked like a check (cheque?) to the IRS.
[12:05:56] <chromas> entities in general, I mean. they all have to take US dollars (at least in the us) but they don't have to take debit cards or anything
[12:06:30] * crutchy drops a gold bar on tmb's foot
[12:07:44] * chromas uses bullion to prop up the coffee table
[12:07:48] <crutchy> don't need no government or laws to buy shit with gold. people see a piece of it and they cream their pants
[12:08:08] <chromas> mostly because they can then trade it for blowjobs
[12:08:18] <crutchy> yes that too :)
[12:08:36] <crutchy> and blowjobs have intrinsic value
[12:08:37] <chromas> sex has inherent value. sex should be currency
[12:09:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, that's only cause people think gold is worth something. there but for the color goes lead.
[12:09:26] <crutchy> so we can therefore deduce that gold is backed by the full faith and credit of blowjobs :p
[12:09:30] <Webbyatwork> same with diamonds
[12:09:45] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah you gotta be careful of that gold painted lead
[12:09:52] <crutchy> the greeks made that mistake
[12:10:01] * chromas paints his gold with lead
[12:10:09] <Webbyatwork> how many weeds to the gold to the blowjobs?
[12:10:16] <Webbyatwork> I need to know the exchange rate here
[12:10:18] <chromas> they're always after me lucky charms
[12:11:03] <chromas> one blowjob is worth three green buds or two crack rocks
[12:11:41] <chromas> we need a barter bot with exchange rates
[12:17:16] <Webbyatwork> 1g a bud? What a rip man... Thats 30-45 euros
[12:17:27] <Webbyatwork> I can get a suck and fuck for 50 euros in amsterdam
[12:21:12] <chromas> that's called bundling, just like cable, internet & phone
[12:21:33] <chromas> put them together and they overcharge you less
[12:23:08] <Webbyatwork> shame they don't do buy one get one free offers ;-)
[12:23:42] <FatPhil> you get the infections for free
[12:24:25] <Webbyatwork> FatPhil, not sure which dives youve been too, but not in amsterdam
[12:24:26] <chromas> I run Norton down there
[12:26:30] <chromas> slows me to a crawl and takes up 3" but it's totally worth the protection
[12:27:29] <chromas> also causes a bit of swapping
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[12:28:53] <chromas> makes the ladies feel protected when they see my toolbar
[12:29:13] <Webbyatwork> wouldn't norton just deny access? Until you open the firewall port and then it still does not work and you get an infection anyway?
[12:30:42] <Webbyatwork> Well, my sex life is like OpenBSD
[12:30:48] <Webbyatwork> switched off by default ;-)
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[12:31:27] <chromas> nah, it's okay; just only allow outbound packets
[12:34:11] * chromas reserves "streaming audio" for a later joke
[12:35:50] <chromas> #smakeadd a stack frame
[12:35:53] <chromas> ##smakeadd a stack frame
[12:36:13] * chromas derps
[12:36:26] <chromas> thought this was #test and was about to switch to this channel
[12:36:41] <cmn32480> you thought wrong
[12:37:03] <chromas> yeah. I had to switch away from the channel just so I could switch back
[12:37:40] * cmn32480 loves seeing confusion... it makes him feel not so alone
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[12:44:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, he's fixed
[12:44:29] <Webbyatwork> MOAR COFFEE
[12:44:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube i am the champions
[12:44:32] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[12:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> not what i was looking for but it's a legit result
[12:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> #join #test
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[12:54:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> #seen NCommander
[12:54:03] <MrPlow> [2016-04-27 21:25:52] #Soylent <NCommander> Subsentient, surviving :/
[12:54:23] * Subsentient rips a juicy wet one on TheMightyBuzzard's face
[12:54:56] <chromas> you should probably wipe
[12:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> shush up, you. i am teh conqueror of C/perl combinations
[12:55:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh bleh, i have MrPlow running wit debug flags built in.
[12:55:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #quit
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[12:55:45] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Almost got C++98 down to my satisfaction. It's a good language for someone lazy as shit like me who still wants compiled stuff.
[12:56:03] * Subsentient is compiling as C++11 because there's a few features he likes
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[12:56:38] <Subsentient> Writing event horizon in C++.
[12:56:45] <Subsentient> I got a good chunk of the mail core written.
[12:57:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh?
[12:57:28] <Subsentient> yup, well, the incoming side.
[12:57:35] <Subsentient> libevhz is one ugly baby
[12:57:40] <Subsentient> Truly hideous API
[12:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i get like one or two problems done then my brain resists gear switching so i generally fuck off after that.
[12:58:13] <Subsentient> I mean
[12:58:15] <Subsentient> not libevhz
[12:58:16] <Subsentient> lol
[12:58:18] <Subsentient> libetpan
[12:58:19] <Subsentient> **
[12:58:29] <Subsentient> the mail library I'm using, that libevhz plugs into
[12:58:38] <Subsentient> libevhz is actually kinda pretty
[12:59:17] <Subsentient> libevhz == functionality library of Event Horizon, all GUIs will plug into it
[12:59:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[13:00:16] <Subsentient> I like gtk's API a lot better, but I'll probably have to write the GUI in QT for portability's sake.
[13:00:39] <Subsentient> GTK, especially version 3, is not very portable.
[13:01:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ...
[13:01:12] <Subsentient> Version 3 doesn't even work right statically linked on Windows.
[13:01:20] <Subsentient> On Mac OS X, it's hideous
[13:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> use 2 then
[13:01:22] <chromas> windows, linux and the bsds are the only things that count
[13:01:35] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: they are going to pull the plug on 2 soon.
[13:01:49] <chromas> gimp doesn't even do 3 yet
[13:01:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone'll fork it
[13:02:02] <Subsentient> I don't count on that.
[13:02:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> too many folks HATE gtk3
[13:02:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i don't like either gtk3 or qt
[13:02:53] <chromas> Subsentient: fork it yosef and call it EVTK+2
[13:02:56] <Subsentient> gtk3 is a clusterfuck. The API is nicer than 2 (though all the 2 api stuff is still there and usable), but it's hideous, removes functionality, and tries to force its own windowing style onto its applications.
[13:03:41] <Subsentient> After C++, I'm going to get back into Perl, which I really like, and then probably Objective C just because I can.
[13:03:44] <chromas> SubTK
[13:04:06] <Subsentient> I also plan to write an ncurses gui for Event Horizon
[13:04:50] <chromas> and an emacs plugin or whatever they're called
[13:05:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - State Department Furiously Denies Promising "No Boots on the Ground" in Syria - http://sylnt.us - using-doublespeak-out-of-both-sides-of-your-moth
[13:06:31] <chromas> from the just-nuke-it dept
[13:07:36] <FatPhil> perlvert
[13:08:00] * TheMightyBuzzard gives FatPhil a perl necklace
[13:08:03] <Subsentient> FatPhil: Not a fan of Perl?
[13:08:09] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:08:09] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 232
[13:08:12] <FatPhil> it's my 2nd most used language
[13:08:50] <FatPhil> if it can't be done on one shell line, it gets perl scripted, generally.
[13:09:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's teh awesome for stuff what don't need to stay running in memory and needs to mangle text like a boss.
[13:09:16] <FatPhil> Trying to wean myself of it, it's a dreadful language if you're objective about it.
[13:09:44] <chromas> you don't like perl's objects?
[13:09:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it is and likely will remain the best text processing language ever invented.
[13:10:05] <chromas> what about javascript?
[13:10:20] * TheMightyBuzzard gets the dry heaves
[13:10:28] <Webbyatwork> lol
[13:10:37] <FatPhil> I hate the "OO" in perl, certainly. Total kludge.
[13:10:38] <Webbyatwork> ever tried TCL?
[13:10:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> not in a couple decades
[13:11:03] <chromas> the absolutely worst thing in perl is the "my" keyword
[13:11:17] <Webbyatwork> Using TCL a lot due to F5's and irules here
[13:11:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, nothin wrong with that once you know what it means.
[13:11:35] <Webbyatwork> first time using a dereferenced language, certainly tripped me up a lot
[13:11:43] <FatPhil> http://engineering.wix.com
[13:12:06] <FatPhil> I did a bit of TCL when I was a masochist. Horrible language.
[13:12:12] <chromas> it's the word itself, "my", like "my computer" or "mysql" #triggered2016
[13:12:21] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs
[13:12:47] <chromas> is that a real book?
[13:12:48] <FatPhil> I hate "my ..." in modern GUIs too
[13:12:55] <Webbyatwork> FatPhil, much agreed.
[13:12:57] <FatPhil> both are real
[13:13:13] <FatPhil> Shit, I missed April 1 again
[13:13:43] <FatPhil> I was going to submit a patch to systemd to add fixed directories for "Porn" and "ASCII Art"
[13:13:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[13:13:59] <FatPhil> in the same way there's "Music" and "Videos" and "Documents"
[13:14:00] <chromas> I imagine the one on the right is js itself and the one on the left just imports jquery
[13:14:39] <chromas> systemd has document directories?
[13:15:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that's part of the joke
[13:15:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it has layers. like an onion.
[13:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, now i want a parfait
[13:16:02] <FatPhil> Ugh, feeling dirty, cloning the systemd tree onto this machine...
[13:16:11] * chromas is surrounded by onions, wheat and wine
[13:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, don't do it! wipe it and install slackware!
[13:16:41] <Webbyatwork> systemd, the best way to derail the conversation when people start bashing windows ;-)
[13:16:42] <FatPhil> src/path/path.c: [SD_PATH_USER_DOCUMENTS] = "user-documents",
[13:16:42] <FatPhil> src/systemd/sd-path.h: SD_PATH_USER_DOCUMENTS,
[13:17:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[13:18:20] <FatPhil> has about 10 defined. Clearly needs more. ;-)
[13:18:32] <chromas> what do they do?
[13:18:48] <FatPhil> Who in their right mind would NACK a patch to add a porn directory?
[13:18:56] <FatPhil> NFC, I don't use systemd
[13:18:58] <Webbyatwork> FatPhil, should have submitted a "My Briefcase" folder
[13:19:09] <chromas> oooh
[13:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, retro
[13:19:12] <chromas> I forgot about those
[13:19:20] <chromas> still not sure what they did
[13:19:25] <Webbyatwork> Thanks, now I feel old
[13:19:35] <Webbyatwork> chromas, it was for multiple devices, network share syncing etc
[13:19:40] <Webbyatwork> never really worked though
[13:19:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, ^^ ninja'd
[13:20:04] <nick> well there we go, learned something new
[13:20:10] * chromas sets everyone's wallpaper to clouds
[13:20:26] <FatPhil> I have a brief recollection of a briefcase, but haven't used windows for nearly 20 years
[13:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, give me back my naked chicks!
[13:20:37] <chromas> see, microsoft had the desktop cloud idea before teh cloud was even cloud
[13:20:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> My wallpaper for this month is a cartoon of Grumpy Cat labeled "I had fun once... it was awful".
[13:21:20] <Webbyatwork> Mines currently a Dark Souls 1 oil painting some fan did
[13:21:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should set my wallpaper to rotate between something innocuous and naked chicks, depending on if the roomie's kids are due to be here.
[13:21:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'll choose a new one on Monday since it's first work day of a new month. (I'll also change all my passwords.)
[13:22:04] * Webbyatwork notes down that andy changes his password on the first of the month
[13:22:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> TheMightyBuzzard: If roomie is a Doctor Who fan, set it to the Weeping Angels...and make sure it rotates through about a dozen different pics.
[13:22:27] <chromas> he just adds a one to the end
[13:22:33] <chromas> so right now it's one11111111
[13:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> or... i could turn my webcam around and use facial recognition to swap them out whenever the kids enter the room!
[13:22:50] <chromas> by then it'll be too late
[13:22:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> chromas: ha ha ha...No.
[13:23:21] <chromas> but no true nerd has his wallpaper exposed anyhow
[13:23:34] <chromas> you just need more windows
[13:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure they do. behind their conky hud
[13:26:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, youtube just tried to play nickleback at me
[13:27:10] <Webbyatwork> Heh, try having some kids and a fixed home IP
[13:27:27] <Webbyatwork> Youtube can't decide who is who, so I get Rust and My little pony video suggestions
[13:27:33] <chromas> you tube is just giving you what obama promised
[13:27:41] <chromas> change
[13:28:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Webbyatwork, use a vpn for yourself
[13:28:45] <Webbyatwork> TheMightyBuzzard, I do for anything important
[13:29:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. would fix youtube suggestions as well.
[13:29:16] <chromas> set up a gewgle account then the suggestions should only work for that account
[13:29:28] <Webbyatwork> Not bothered by them, I find it more amusing that yt can't figure out that theres 3 users in the household
[13:29:36] <Webbyatwork> its profile on us must be pretty mucked up
[13:29:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> they also go by user-agent apparently though because i almost never get suggestions for other people in the house.
[13:30:06] <chromas> don't forget the cookies
[13:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube c is for cookie
[13:30:17] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[13:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> dafuq
[13:30:34] <Webbyatwork> Thats the other half, try and avoid logging in to google and block a lot of their domains
[13:30:47] * chromas puts his nuts into firefox's cookie jar
[13:31:15] <Webbyatwork> Turns out the cookie jar was a mimic
[13:31:17] <Webbyatwork> ouch
[13:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> dndhumor++
[13:31:46] <Bender> karma - dndhumor: 1
[13:31:47] <chromas> that cookie is totally fake cgi
[13:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube you're so vain
[13:33:58] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[13:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg... random weirdness
[13:36:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> hey look, linktitle.pl isn't in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun
[13:36:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> #youtube Necroshine
[13:36:20] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
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[13:36:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~title on
[13:36:26] <exec> titles enabled for 10#Soylent
[13:36:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube barbie girl
[13:36:48] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[13:36:51] <exec> └─ 13Aqua - Barbie Girl - YouTube
[13:37:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, why'd i hafta enable exec's titles?
[13:37:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> you fallin down on the job, yo
[13:38:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> #youtube Diamond Plate At the Mountains of Madness
[13:38:02] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[13:38:05] <exec> └─ 13Diamond Plate - "At the Mountains of Madness" - YouTube
[13:38:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> there we go
[13:38:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> local script is faster than exec
[13:38:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, most things are
[13:39:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow got surprisingly fast when i started porting him to C. and just as buggy.
[13:39:55] Arc| is now known as Popeidol
[13:49:22] -!- Runaway1956 [Runaway1956!~sabayonus@162.216.hx.gvl] has joined #Soylent
[13:53:08] <Runaway1956> ~weather
[13:53:10] <exec> 10Dallas, TX, USA - currently 67°F / 19°C, sunny, wind SE at 8 mph, humidity 67% - Thursday sunny (66°F:86°F / 19°C:30°C), Friday thunderstorm (67°F:79°F / 19°C:26°C), Saturday partly cloudy (60°F:84°F / 16°C:29°C), Sunday sunny (57°F:80°F / 14°C:27°C)
[13:53:33] <Runaway1956> Yah - I see it's supposed to be dark tonight . . . .
[13:58:24] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - did you get him a whip to go with his buggy?
[13:58:26] <Runaway1956> Ah - HAH! We seem to have a new victim on the team, there are now 40 names - but, which one is the new one?
[13:58:32] <Runaway1956> EricAlbers?
[13:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube whip it
[13:58:54] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[13:58:58] <exec> └─ 13LunchMoney Lewis - Whip It! (Lyric Video) ft. Chloe Angelides - YouTube
[13:59:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that's not right
[13:59:16] <Runaway1956> Topdawg - he's risen +14 in 24 hours
[14:00:07] <Runaway1956> ~G'mornin TMB - what's not "right"?
[14:00:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that should have returned a devo video, damnit
[14:00:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> though props to lunchmoney lewis for the "the last dragon" reference
[14:02:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> been a long time since i seen bruce leroy whoop some ass
[14:04:53] <Runaway1956> Ya know, some of our Soylentils are kinda scary - Michael David asked a woman out for coffee, and he finds it worthy of an internet journal entry
[14:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that's saying nothing at all of me before coffee's made.
[14:09:40] <Runaway1956> It may be deemed immature, but I couldn't resist making a post here - as AC - https://soylentnews.org
[14:09:43] <exec> └─ 13Journal of DeathMonkey (1380)
[14:09:46] <TransBotula> ^ 03SN journal I got Mod-Banned by the Mighty Buzzard 04(3 comments)
[14:09:54] <Runaway1956> "TMB rocks, don't he?"
[14:11:34] <cmn32480> MDC is a special kind of person.
[14:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> perils of breaking one of the two rules we have.
[14:14:39] <nick> cmn32480, he is
[14:15:09] <nick> i enjoy his ramblings though
[14:15:17] <Webbyatwork> I'm glad to have people like MDC around, they certainly help give some perspective on life
[14:15:33] <Runaway1956> I like special people - they are so easy to bait. One day, they'll make special-people-baiting a crime, just like bear baiting.
[14:15:36] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, dont really appreciate DeathMonkey acting dumb on why he got modbanned
[14:16:30] <Webbyatwork> I do wonder what really happened with gewg_ though, I was not around for it
[14:16:45] * Runaway1956 stops reading journal entries - to depressing . . . .
[14:16:50] <nick> what happened with gewg_?
[14:17:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, he's a douchebag in his other opinions, that he's being a douchebag on this is not surprising.
[14:17:31] <Webbyatwork> gewg_ AFAIK was posting anon with a sig and got trolled a lot
[14:17:46] <Runaway1956> I think gewg_ met a virile biker, and ran off with him.
[14:18:22] <nick> he continues to post anon as OriginalOwner_ or whatever
[14:18:42] <Webbyatwork> Yeah, thats the bit that confuses me, was he involved in founding of soylent?
[14:18:51] <Runaway1956> So, the rumors that some biker made an honest anon of him are false?
[14:19:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, as a user, i suppose
[14:19:08] <Webbyatwork> Right
[14:19:18] <nick> no, at least not that i know, but he uses originalowner_ and links it to the last comment or so he made as gewg_
[14:19:26] <nick> trolls are too lazy to put a link in their comments apparently?
[14:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's never been on staff, just a regular contributor who absolutely refuses to log in under any circumstances.
[14:20:10] <Runaway1956> Who has the food today?
[14:20:26] <Webbyatwork> He was just as odd on the last days of the green site
[14:20:29] <Runaway1956> ~hungry
[14:20:49] <Runaway1956> #hungry
[14:21:00] <Runaway1956> The bots are stingy with the food.
[14:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's okay, we still lurve him.
[14:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Runaway1956 a half of a leftover pizza
[14:21:37] * MrPlow smakes Runaway1956 upside the head with a half of a leftover pizza
[14:22:21] <Webbyatwork> Runaway1956, sorry if my journel entry was depressing. Had a bad few weeks and it felt like a good place to get it off my chest
[14:23:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> "i will take no steps at all to verify my pseudo-identity." does not jive with "stop pretending to be me!"
[14:23:15] <Runaway1956> Post Honey-comb! SLURP!
[14:23:38] <Webbyatwork> He did rather set himself up to be trolled
[14:23:53] <Runaway1956> I expect that he has schizophrenia as well as a split personality.
[14:24:15] <Webbyatwork> I make soap and post to soylent at night?
[14:24:27] <Webbyatwork> s/i/he
[14:24:52] <Runaway1956> ain't no women on the internet, gotta be a guy
[14:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like sedbot == dead for good
[14:25:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> the internet, where men are men, women are men, and children are fbi agents
[14:25:36] <Webbyatwork> and no one knows your a dog
[14:25:46] * TheMightyBuzzard nods sagely
[14:25:54] <Runaway1956> My dog? What's my dog got to do with it? Is he snitching on me?
[14:26:26] <Webbyatwork> Not intentionally, but we did put a bug on his collar
[14:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... wonder how much my isp would charge me to come in here and run cable so i could relocate my router...
[14:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's currently like 20 yards and a wall or two away and on bad signal days wifi tween it and my desktop is half the speed of my internet connection
[14:33:39] <Runaway1956> Putting a repeater in the middle might be cheaper, if you rely on the ISP to do the work.
[14:34:03] <SirFinkus> you can run cable yourself?
[14:34:08] <SirFinkus> *can't
[14:34:16] <Webbyatwork> or build a yagi out of a pringles can?
[14:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could, yes, if i wanted to crawl around under the house with all the spiders.
[14:34:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> spiders are lovely people.
[14:34:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> You should pay them a visit.
[14:34:53] <SirFinkus> hahahaha, he's calling his isp to run a little ethernet AND he's afraid of spiders
[14:34:59] <Runaway1956> Spiders are nice, I agree with Andy
[14:35:00] <SirFinkus> and he calls himself "mighty"
[14:35:05] <Webbyatwork> lol
[14:35:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> repeater would be the way to go but i don't have an N router that'll take dd-wrt
[14:35:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> It sounded more like he wanted to run coaxial than Ethernet.
[14:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:35:40] <SirFinkus> same shit, different tool
[14:36:23] <Webbyatwork> coax is easier
[14:36:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comcast Raises Data Cap to 1 TB Per Month - http://sylnt.us - better-than-nothing
[14:36:56] <Webbyatwork> Just make sure to vulcan tape it if its outside
[14:36:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have the tools for either. i've just had quite enough of crawling in attics and under floors, thanks. i'm old and happy to pay someone else to do it.
[14:37:15] <SirFinkus> but your ISP?
[14:37:20] <SirFinkus> giving money to satan?
[14:37:30] <Webbyatwork> Old and rich is a good enough excuse for me
[14:37:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> my isp rocks.
[14:37:38] <SirFinkus> and you just KNOW they'll fuck it up
[14:37:44] <SirFinkus> oh really?
[14:37:55] <SirFinkus> I'm stuck with "latest news story on soylent"
[14:38:03] <Runaway1956> http://www.ebay.com
[14:38:04] <TransBotula> ^ 03Netgear N600 4 Port Gigabit Wireless N Router WNDR3700V2 with DD WRT 0606449061345 | eBay
[14:38:06] <exec> └─ 13Netgear N600 4 Port Gigabit Wireless N Router WNDR3700V2 with DD WRT 0606449061345 | eBay
[14:38:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. they just doubled our speeds here a month or so ago. no extra charge.
[14:38:28] <SirFinkus> cockmast has done that too, but then they imposed a cap
[14:38:31] <Webbyatwork> Currently running fibre down my road
[14:38:35] <SirFinkus> evil bastards
[14:38:41] <Webbyatwork> but only because I wrote a letter to my MP
[14:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no usage cap for us. i can download ALL OF THE THINGS
[14:39:00] <SirFinkus> I have a cap, but they've never enforced it
[14:39:04] <Runaway1956> Well, that's the only good thing about my ISP - no caps.
[14:39:09] <Webbyatwork> Hopefully Ill get FTTP in 4 weeks
[14:39:13] <SirFinkus> they haven't rolled out that "feature" in my area yet
[14:39:13] <Runaway1956> It's so slow, it takes a week to download a good ISO
[14:39:18] <exec> 05*** SN funding is currently $1,414
[14:41:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> one month to make another ~$1600. we should prolly throw up a reminder/beg post soon or we're going to fall short on the bills.
[14:41:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> I just got curious and ran a couple of speed tests on my phone
[14:42:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have faster download speed on LTE than on work's wifi
[14:42:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[14:44:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> 10.30 Mbps on LTE, 7.93 Mbps on wifi. Work's upload isn't quite 2x the LTE upload. But hey, we're an organization that actually *generates* content (in addition to aggregating some other sources), so we actually need a fat pipe going out the door.
[14:44:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[14:45:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> I get like 35 Mbps down at home and I've forgotten what for upload.
[14:45:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> (wired, that is - LTE there is about the same as here.)
[14:45:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> 50/5Mbps here when i get better wifi signal than i'm currently getting.
[14:45:55] <Runaway1956> fat
[14:45:57] <Runaway1956> pipe
[14:46:03] <Runaway1956> hmmmm
[14:46:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's what she said
[14:46:20] <Runaway1956> passionately
[14:46:24] <Webbyatwork> only $20? subscribed
[14:46:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah that's like 18 EUR! oh wait you're in Britain aren't you?
[14:47:06] <Runaway1956> HA! I should subscribe for gewg_
[14:47:10] <cmn32480> 50/50 at home
[14:47:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> £13.74 according to Google.
[14:47:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what is costing so much?
[14:47:39] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: too many VPSes?
[14:47:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, ten or so servers mostly.
[14:47:49] <Gravis> wtf?
[14:47:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> or was it eight
[14:47:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why so many?
[14:48:24] <cmn32480> 100/20 at the office
[14:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> two web front ends, two db cluster nodes, two load balancers, staff box, dev box, irc+misc box, offsite backup box...
[14:48:32] <SirFinkus> for ddosing rival sites
[14:48:39] <Runaway1956> Don't let him fool you - it's the bait he throws in the water all the time - THAT'S expensive.
[14:48:59] <Runaway1956> Soylent has no rivals, SirFinkus
[14:49:08] <SirFinkus> enemies then
[14:49:18] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: way too many boxes
[14:49:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, we're not fans of downtime
[14:49:40] <Runaway1956> We do have some envious neighbors.
[14:49:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well you are going to be when you don't meet your $1600 mark
[14:50:09] <Webbyatwork> You only have to be good at something to get haters
[14:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> the first half funding goal isn't half of what we need though. it's like 3/4 of what we need yearly.
[14:50:19] <Webbyatwork> Know that all to well running priyom.org
[14:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's just that our taxes and license fees fall due in the first half of the year.
[14:50:52] <SirFinkus> the ironic bit is priyom.org takes forever to load
[14:51:07] <SirFinkus> oh, this stuff kicks ass
[14:51:11] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: taxes on what and license fees for what?
[14:51:17] <SirFinkus> numbers stations are nightmare fuel
[14:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoylentNews PBC. you take in money, you gotta pay the franchise fee to the state you incorporate in and then pay taxes like every other company.
[14:52:12] <Webbyatwork> SirFinkus, shouldn't site is pretty lightweight
[14:52:23] <Webbyatwork> the IRC box for freenode is probably the delay
[14:52:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the accountant who does your taxes
[14:52:28] <SirFinkus> oh, it's on my end
[14:52:43] * SirFinkus pauses utorrent
[14:53:30] <Webbyatwork> I was interviewed for daily beast about 3 weeks back, have not submitted the article, as well... I'm in it
[14:53:31] <Runaway1956> You can't stop the signal, Mal!
[14:53:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be cheap accounting this year though. no stock issuance to account for like last year.
[14:53:34] <Webbyatwork> should I post it?
[14:53:53] <nick> Webbyatwork, yes
[14:53:59] <Webbyatwork> reet
[14:53:59] <SirFinkus> doooo iiiiiiit
[14:54:07] <Webbyatwork> isn't there a bot command for this?
[14:54:23] <SirFinkus> ~submit
[14:54:24] <exec> usage: ~submit <url>
[14:54:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but you don't get the karma points for it
[14:54:26] <Runaway1956> ~submit or #submit
[14:54:28] <exec> error: unable to download source (get_redirected_url)
[14:54:33] <nick> and the editors don't appreciate it so much ;)
[14:54:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why isn't it setup as a non-profit?
[14:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> hur hur
[14:54:48] <Runaway1956> Heh, I woke exec up
[14:54:53] <Webbyatwork> OK, ill do it through the website
[14:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, setting up as a non-profit takes HUGE amounts of money compared to what we handle.
[14:55:00] <nick> :D
[14:55:13] <SirFinkus> because TheMightyBuzzard couldn't siphon off money for the hookers and blow
[14:55:17] <Webbyatwork> Also, a good one from feb, a Kennedys nephew writing about us and UK history with syria
[14:55:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> that too
[14:55:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> but cmn32480 is the one siphoning that off. they're HIS cats after all.
[14:55:55] <Webbyatwork> right, daily beast is here: http://www.thedailybeast.com
[14:55:56] <TransBotula> ^ 03The Stupidly Simple Spy Messages No Computer Could Decode - The Daily Beast
[14:55:58] <exec> └─ 13The Stupidly Simple Spy Messages No Computer Could Decode - The Daily Beast
[14:56:05] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: whatever, you accounting seems questionable and you should cut at least 4 of those servers
[14:56:19] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[14:56:22] <SirFinkus> he's right about the non-profit thing, it's a huge pita
[14:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could see cutting one load balancer but the rest need to exist.
[14:56:56] <SirFinkus> there was a lot of discussion about it when the site was just started
[14:56:56] <nick> if i recall, the core issue is, you have to register in every single state to be a non-profit/charity
[14:57:02] <nick> if you want to accept donations
[14:57:14] <SirFinkus> as a non-profit
[14:57:31] <nick> yeah
[14:58:01] <Gravis> so it's paperwork. what's the problem?
[14:58:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, yeah, i heard that too but there has to be something a wee bit easier or small charities could not exist.
[14:58:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, paperwork you have to pay for.
[14:58:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> fees for each registration
[14:58:53] <SirFinkus> I'd rather the staff concentrate on keeping the site running than filling out paperwork, even if it's free
[14:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it were just paperwork i'd do it myself.
[14:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather i'd write a perl script to do it for me
[14:59:44] <Gravis> it's less than $10K/year, so does the IRS even care?
[14:59:56] <SirFinkus> yes
[15:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're a business, yes.
[15:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're a person, no.
[15:00:25] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: then why be a business?
[15:00:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause we didn't want this venture set up to where one person could send it down the shitter.
[15:01:02] <SirFinkus> also the staff shouldn't be personally liable
[15:01:10] <SirFinkus> if there's a lawsuit or something
[15:01:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now we have three? board members who get to vote on whatever they feel like voting on and two stockholders who have to be in unanimous agreement to get anything changed
[15:02:12] <Gravis> i see. well, at the very least, cut four of those servers
[15:02:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, which would you like to go away?
[15:03:15] <cmn32480> I vote for whichever one gravi's login information si stored on.
[15:03:17] <Gravis> "staff box, dev box, irc+misc box, offsite backup box"
[15:03:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, offsite backup box going away is NOT going to happen.
[15:03:42] <cmn32480> dev?
[15:03:48] <cmn32480> are you f**king mad?
[15:03:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: how much storage is actually needed?
[15:04:02] <cmn32480> you really want the developers playing on the production site?
[15:04:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> storage isn't the issue really, ram is.
[15:04:12] <SirFinkus> and the staff box is where everyone keeps their movie collections, can't get rid of that
[15:04:44] <Gravis> cmn32480: it doesn't take an entire box to do dev
[15:04:54] <SirFinkus> some of that pornography is EXTREMELY rare
[15:04:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> the hell you say
[15:05:01] <cmn32480> really?
[15:05:31] * SirFinkus is glad prod and dev are on different boxes
[15:05:47] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: are you backing up the ram? because storage is what offsite backups are for.
[15:06:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> unlike the prod servers, dev runs both the site and the db for the site. this takes a hell of a lot of ram relative to running either separately.
[15:06:29] * Runaway1956 notes that more boxen are good boxen
[15:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, of course not. we're backing up the web frontend and the db
[15:07:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and that requres an entire box because?
[15:07:33] <cmn32480> becasue you can't buy a half a box in another datacenter.
[15:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ^^
[15:07:41] <cmn32480> they only come as whole things
[15:08:04] <Gravis> ok seriously, a home PC can do that job without issue
[15:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> $10/mo isn't exactly going to break us anyway.
[15:08:14] <Runaway1956> Don't think of them as boxes - think of them as containers.
[15:08:36] <cmn32480> but if you can find a VPS that sells in half boxes that arebn't shared, we will gladly look inot it. but we want the half that hasall the components, not the half that is all air.
[15:08:40] <Runaway1956> Each individual container has it's own life - independent of all other boxen
[15:08:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> least i think oxygen runs $10/mo
[15:08:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be $15
[15:08:54] <Runaway1956> If one should die in a fire, the other boxen should survive
[15:09:00] <Webbyatwork> right story submitted
[15:09:29] * Runaway1956 salivates at the thought of roast boxen
[15:09:49] <Gravis> at the least, combine those 4 boxes into one
[15:09:49] <cmn32480> I find that the cardboard gets chewy if they aren't done exactly right
[15:10:03] <cmn32480> so both web front ends on one box?
[15:10:08] <SirFinkus> my uncle used to work on shortwave radios and he'd tune into UVB-76 to test them
[15:10:11] <cmn32480> and the load balancer?
[15:10:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, what we could actually get rid of if we were seriously pressed are one load balancer and the staff server.
[15:10:37] <Gravis> well you are about to fall short, so hmm...
[15:11:27] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: it's $10 a month for ramnode
[15:11:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, nah. turns out the funding cycle runs till the end of june and we generally have to remind people that tanstaafl
[15:11:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, cheers
[15:11:39] <Webbyatwork> SirFinkus, works OK as a channel marker, but not great for testing. The russians are shit at maintaining their equipment
[15:11:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought so
[15:12:11] <SirFinkus> I don't really know the specific details
[15:12:11] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: also what requires so much RAM?
[15:12:16] <SirFinkus> I could have gotten that wrong
[15:12:30] <Webbyatwork> For general checking it would have been fine
[15:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> on which?
[15:12:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: let's go with all of them
[15:13:00] <Runaway1956> Today's show was brought to you by the word "curmudgeon".
[15:13:08] <SirFinkus> it was a "read only" radio
[15:13:19] <Runaway1956> And, the number "zed".
[15:13:27] <SirFinkus> the specific on he told me about
[15:13:31] <SirFinkus> *one
[15:13:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> the five we cannot cut (load balancer, web front ends, db nodes) only the db nodes are pushing it on ram. the load balancer could be a raspberry pi if they sold vpses of those.
[15:14:23] * SirFinkus gives gravis some pants
[15:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> but what lives on the boxes that are NOT those five cannot be consolidated onto any of those five.
[15:15:00] <SirFinkus> guys guys guys
[15:15:02] <Webbyatwork> SirFinkus, I quickly learned I would not want to be a ham radio guy. All they do is talk about how big their antennas are
[15:15:03] <SirFinkus> I got an idea
[15:15:03] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what are you using to serve the web frontend?
[15:15:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> the remote backup box has to stay and nothing can run from it that we give a damn about.
[15:15:11] <SirFinkus> why don't you just put it in THE CLOUD
[15:15:28] <cmn32480> #smake SirFinkus
[15:15:28] * MrPlow smakes SirFinkus upside the head with a printout of the rehash source
[15:15:32] <mrcoolbp> Yeah we already had a the Great Consolidation and I'm pretty sure PJ got us down to barebones as much as possible without sacrificing anythign
[15:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, two vpses running apache 2.2 and mod_perl2
[15:16:12] <Gravis> ugh... no wonder you need lots of ram
[15:16:33] <mrcoolbp> = P
[15:16:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you should fix that
[15:16:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> those could actually run other stuff if it weren't for it being an epically bad idea to mix shat like irc and mail and shat on your web frontends.
[15:17:22] <SirFinkus> I hear azure is good https://youtu.be
[15:17:24] <exec> └─ 13Cloud Girl, Claudia Madobe's Introduce the Microsoft Azure - YouTube
[15:17:25] <TransBotula> ^ 03Cloud Girl, Claudia Madobe's Introduce the Microsoft Azure - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[15:17:27] <exec> └─ 13Cloud Girl, Claudia Madobe's Introduce the Microsoft Azure - YouTube
[15:17:41] <Gravis> SirFinkus: you leave the color blue out of thise!
[15:17:43] <Webbyatwork> hometime, later all
[15:17:55] <cmn32480> ~gnight Webbyatwork
[15:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we're not gonna do a complete rewrite any time soon. sorry.
[15:17:58] * exec single-handedly terrorizes a tinfoil hat of fat chick with Webbyatwork
[15:18:23] * TheMightyBuzzard waves to Webbyatwork
[15:18:29] <Webbyatwork> later
[15:18:33] <mrcoolbp> later
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[15:18:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you dont' have to do a rewrite to use a better server daemon
[15:18:55] <mrcoolbp> I think Gravis is volunteering to do it TheMightyBuzzard
[15:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> mod_perl only runs on apache. anything else would require a full on rewrite.
[15:19:13] * mrcoolbp makes Gravis a code-monkey first class
[15:19:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, i need a promotion then. i can't be the same rank as him.
[15:19:46] <mrcoolbp> I already promoted you last year
[15:19:52] <mrcoolbp> I think...
[15:19:52] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: seriously? simple google and the solution is obvious: http://nginx.org
[15:19:53] <TransBotula> ^ 03Module ngx_http_perl_module
[15:19:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, i forgot.
[15:19:57] <exec> └─ 13Module ngx_http_perl_module [04module ngx_http_perl_module]
[15:20:12] * mrcoolbp gives exec some coffee
[15:20:49] <cmn32480> he runs on a celeron for gods sake.l. .giving him coffee might force the warp core into overload!
[15:21:02] * mrcoolbp gives exec decaf
[15:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, wrong thing. we're not talking ssi, we're talking more along the lines of cgi scripts but that make use of some shared shat whose initialization is done by mod_perl when apache loads
[15:21:27] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480 can't we divert energy from the Trilithium crystals?
[15:22:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ssi is actually exactly backwards from what we do. we put html in our scripts not scripts in our html.
[15:22:48] <Gravis> where is the SN repo?
[15:23:02] <mrcoolbp> git
[15:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com
[15:23:11] <TransBotula> ^✓ 03GitHub - SoylentNews/rehash: Forked from Slashcode, rehash is the codebase that powers SoylentNews.org, powered by mod_perl 2 ( https://github.com )
[15:23:14] <exec> └─ 13GitHub - SoylentNews/rehash: Forked from Slashcode, rehash is the codebase that powers SoylentNews.org, powered by mod_perl 2
[15:23:14] <exec> └─ 13GitHub - SoylentNews/rehash: Forked from Slashcode, rehash is the codebase that powers SoylentNews.org, powered by mod_perl 2
[15:23:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~title off
[15:23:29] <exec> titles disabled for 10#Soylent
[15:24:44] <SirFinkus> school time, I expect a new site architecture by the time I return
[15:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, if it were all done in such a way as it could be moved to any old cgi handler, we could use most any webserver. it's not, however. there's some right funky magic that goes on.
[15:25:02] <mrcoolbp> agreed, I'll crack the whip SirFinkus
[15:25:13] <mrcoolbp> enjoy your lernin'
[15:25:19] <SirFinkus> I hear that node.js thing is pretty cool
[15:25:29] <mrcoolbp> cool we'll look into it thanks!
[15:25:34] <Gravis> node.js is something the devil invented
[15:25:35] * TheMightyBuzzard starts adding columns
[15:25:52] <SirFinkus> oh, and mongodb
[15:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wouldn't mind moving to postgresql but i don't wanna be the one that has to rewrite every sql query.
[15:26:51] <mrcoolbp> "not it"
[15:26:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> noti t
[15:27:02] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:27:26] * TheMightyBuzzard pushes crutchy's sleeping self forward a couple paces
[15:27:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> teach him to idle while he sleeps
[15:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, if you seriously come up with any good ideas rather than just giving me shit, we're all ears, yo. specially if you're willing to contribute the time to implement any of the ideas.
[15:30:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[15:33:30] <Gravis> what's the max number of requests per second that SN has to handle?
[15:37:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken - http://sylnt.us - interesting-reads
[15:37:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno. far less than we technically can but redundancy is still necessary to avoid downtime.
[15:39:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you should grep the logs for the most occurances of X digits of a timestamp
[15:39:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: how do you do load testing?
[15:40:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't run access logs unless we're debugging
[15:40:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> not storing anything means nothing can be subpoenaed
[15:40:53] <FatPhil> = good, thank you
[15:41:29] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: how many cores do the web frontend servers have?
[15:41:41] * mrcoolbp fires up linode
[15:41:56] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[15:42:30] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: is he talking prod cluster?
[15:42:37] <Gravis> yes
[15:42:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> one looks like
[15:43:17] <mrcoolbp> Gravis: 4 CPU Cores
[15:43:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> least that's what lshw reports. i don't currently have access to linode control panels, though i spose i could if necessary.
[15:43:30] <mrcoolbp> 40 Gbps Network In
[15:43:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: try htop
[15:43:34] <mrcoolbp> 500 Mbps Network Out
[15:43:39] <mrcoolbp> 4 GB RAM
[15:43:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, 4
[15:43:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and if you dont have htop installed, feel bad about it. ;)
[15:44:07] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard I'm in the control panel
[15:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, i been thinking... we could drop the number of apache threads and drop down to 2GB ram on the web front ends next time we get in a money saving mood.
[15:45:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't make for as much overhead freedom but we would still have headroom at 2GB
[15:46:01] <mrcoolbp> linode isn't giving me ram graphs but I have data and cpu usage here
[15:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> and making the local mysqld stop caching so bloody much would give us even more since it's not like hitting the db clusters which also have the same stuff stored in ram would hurt speed at all.
[15:48:00] <mrcoolbp> well I'd leave decisions like that to you and PJ
[15:48:14] <Gravis> query: how large has the DB gotten?
[15:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, not sure really
[15:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme check
[15:48:56] <Gravis> it should be rather small
[15:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> that can't be right. 3MB?
[15:50:42] <Gravis> uhh, no.
[15:51:07] <Gravis> the text of trolls alone exceed that
[15:52:41] <mrcoolbp> your troll comments exceed that alone
[15:53:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, where does mysql-cluster store its data now...
[15:53:37] <Gravis> /var duh
[15:54:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> custom installs
[15:56:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, uncompressed db dumps were running 41MB back in late 2015
[15:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather gzipped db dumps
[15:59:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, got it. 13GB for the whole data directory
[15:59:05] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: have you tested to see how long it takes to generate various pages?
[15:59:19] <Gravis> i'm just curious how fast it is
[15:59:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. it's exceedingly fast until comments start creeping over 100 or so.
[16:00:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: sure... but how fast?
[16:00:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> looking into how to speed that up is high on my to-do list
[16:00:45] <Gravis> are we talking 100ms here?
[16:01:26] <mrcoolbp> this is at the bottom of a page for me, not sure if relevant: "0.7 pps | article 0.59s -5% | comments 0.17s -16% | index 0.55s -11% 10% fast"
[16:01:42] <Gravis> oi
[16:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure if accruate either.
[16:02:09] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[16:03:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really concerned about sub-second page load times though. nobody cares as long as they don't have to wait.
[16:03:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: is the page served as it's generated or does it create the entire page before serving it?
[16:03:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> the latter
[16:04:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> comment template parsing for each bloody comment is what's eating our asses and causing highly commented stories to suck loading
[16:04:23] <Gravis> well... lots of room for improvement! ;)
[16:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> so that's where i'm gonna put my effort rather than trying to get one second down to 100ms
[16:06:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well if you cached the comments, it would be a lot easier
[16:08:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really doable. the text is cached by the db servers and memory caching them lead to zero speedup. caching rendered versions isn't viable because you'd have to cache one for every last skin and mod adjustment preference combination.
[16:08:14] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: is the page generator run, finish and then start over completely when getting a new request?
[16:09:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> for registered users, yes. ACs get varnish caching a lot more because we can since they don't have preferences.
[16:09:38] <mrcoolbp> and we believe AC readers outnumber registered users
[16:09:56] <mrcoolbp> but I'm not sure anymore
[16:10:05] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so variables won't go out of scope in the perl scripts from one request to the next?
[16:11:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they do go out of scope intentionally except for the very few that can actually be counted upon to be the same and are set up on apache boot rather than on request
[16:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is exactly why we can't move off of apache easily
[16:12:42] <cmn32480> IIS FTW!
[16:14:02] <FatPhil> ISIS?
[16:14:25] <Gravis> cmn32480: traitor!
[16:14:34] <cmn32480> nope
[16:14:38] <cmn32480> not a traitor
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[16:14:48] <cmn32480> Windows is what keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly
[16:14:50] <Web_weasel> Greetings programs
[16:14:56] <cmn32480> ~gday Web_weasel
[16:14:58] * exec retroactively pisses a broken promise of windows 7 on Web_weasel
[16:15:03] <Web_weasel> cmn32480, amen to that!
[16:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> template parsing is really what eats our asses up. it'd be quicker if we hardcoded the html into the perl subs that call the templates but it would be uuuuuugly.
[16:15:54] <Web_weasel> Is there a nickserv for the soylent IRC?
[16:16:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup yup
[16:16:04] <cmn32480> yes sir
[16:16:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> /ns help
[16:16:18] <cmn32480> thanks TMB.. I coudln't think of it
[16:16:36] <Web_weasel> danke
[16:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> or if you wanna be oldschool about it, /msg nickserv help
[16:16:45] <Gravis> cmn32480: well i hope you starve!
[16:16:54] <mrcoolbp> Think I'm'a play some vidya
[16:17:00] <cmn32480> What brings you to our oddball-filled little corner of the web, Web_weasel?
[16:17:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> a fine idear
[16:17:08] <mrcoolbp> aye
[16:17:24] <Web_weasel> cmn32480, I'm webbyatwork ;-)
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[16:17:37] <Web_weasel> @home now ;-)
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[16:18:01] <Gravis> Web_weasel: get a registered nick
[16:18:17] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[16:18:32] * Gravis holds TheMightyBuzzard under the pond
[16:18:46] * TheMightyBuzzard starts grabbing fish
[16:19:09] <Web_weasel> just done so
[16:19:32] <Web_weasel> lets see if autologin works
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[16:20:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's /hs help too if you want some silliness rather than an obscured hostmask.
[16:20:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow already has dibs on @nsa.gov though
[16:21:17] <Web_weasel> huh depends what of the two broadband lines it chooses to connect
[16:21:26] <Web_weasel> ill either get bt or priyom.org
[16:22:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, won't matter with a vhost though. you can always be ~Stefan@gravis.lurves.teh.cok if you so choose.
[16:22:50] <Web_weasel> eh its good enough, I'm using 7 proxies ;-P
[16:24:09] <cmn32480> oddly enough.. one of them IS @gravis.lurves.teh.cok
[16:24:16] <Web_weasel> ha ha
[16:25:01] <Gravis> cmn32480: i'm not ashamed of who i am. ;P
[16:25:57] <Web_weasel> I do belive its time to partake of some ales.
[16:27:43] <Gravis> well shit. it doesn't appear that anyone has made a superconducting microprocessor yet. :(
[16:28:34] <Web_weasel> Well yeah, kelvin keeps coming along and kicking peoples asses
[16:28:50] <Gravis> Web_weasel: not if you put them in space
[16:28:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> beer++
[16:28:53] <Bender> karma - beer: 53
[16:29:14] <Gravis> alcoholism++
[16:29:15] <Bender> karma - alcoholism: 1
[16:29:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, it's not even lunchtime yet.
[16:29:31] <Gravis> alcoholism++
[16:29:32] <Bender> karma - alcoholism: 2
[16:29:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube it's five o'clock somewhere
[16:29:36] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[16:29:50] <Gravis> alcoholism++
[16:29:50] <Bender> karma - alcoholism: 3
[16:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm thinking lunch then go hang out with the other old fart fishermen on the dock.
[16:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> may fish, may not.
[16:31:23] <Gravis> and have a drink with them?
[16:31:24] <Gravis> alcoholism++
[16:31:25] <Bender> karma - alcoholism: 4
[16:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> non-drinking lake, if you believe such communism in the whiskey-making state of TN
[16:32:14] <Gravis> alcoholism++
[16:32:15] <Bender> karma - alcoholism: 5
[16:32:20] <Gravis> noted
[16:33:12] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off in search of lunch
[16:33:18] <Gravis> alcoholism++
[16:33:18] <Bender> karma - alcoholism: 6
[17:02:47] <Web_weasel> TheMightyBuzzard, gotta move with the times https://www.youtube.com
[17:02:49] <TransBotula> ^ 03Chief Greenbud - It's 420 Somewhere - YouTube
[17:08:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nuclear Plant Infected by Malware - http://sylnt.us - no-air-gap
[17:15:01] <Web_weasel> Bonsai seeds on to soak... lets start a new hobby
[17:28:55] <Web_weasel> uhhhh now I feel stupid
[17:29:08] <Web_weasel> I have an message from martyb, asking for links for my submission
[17:29:11] <Web_weasel> how do I reply?
[17:31:12] <Web_weasel> hmm no reply button
[17:31:17] <cmn32480> email is the best way.
[17:31:18] <Web_weasel> no ability to add a comment to the submission
[17:31:26] <Web_weasel> right, so I'm not being a retard
[17:31:35] <Web_weasel> (email not shown publicly)
[17:31:37] <Web_weasel> crap
[17:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Web_weasel, or you can say BYTRAM! I SUMMON THEE!
[17:32:21] <Web_weasel> reet
[17:32:27] <Web_weasel> OK he should see that so Ill reply here
[17:32:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> martyb == bytram
[17:32:54] <Web_weasel> Bytram|away, if you look on the front page of priyom.org, there is a calendar. Just click on the links, it will take you to an online radio and tune it for you!
[17:33:08] <Web_weasel> Transmissions are time based though, so would be hard to put a link in the summary
[17:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> alternately, you can drop over by #editorial and reply there
[17:33:19] <Web_weasel> or a PM ofc
[17:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> gnod gnod
[17:34:20] * TheMightyBuzzard waves and heads out to his chosen fishing hole
[17:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, before i go, Bytram|away, fix your official email to at least obscured so folks can contact you =P
[17:35:35] * cmn32480 steals TheMightyBuzzard's fooshin hole.
[17:37:44] <Web_weasel> or a reply function for direct messages. admins only ofc, otherwise, abuse
[17:42:33] <cmn32480> generally, from a staff member, the address will be our <site nick>@soylentnews.org....
[17:44:01] <Web_weasel> some kinda hacker meta game eh?
[17:44:05] <Web_weasel> ^^
[17:45:21] <cmn32480> sorta
[17:45:47] <cmn32480> mone is shown obfuscated - the {reverse this} bit
[18:22:54] * nick spams cmn32480
[18:24:21] <cmn32480> cmn32480 filters his mail...
[18:24:59] <nick> i was just trying to be cool :( i saw the headline and thought it's what the kids are doing now
[18:25:15] <Subsentient> lol
[18:40:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Former Tor Developer Created Malware for the FBI to Hack Tor Users - http://sylnt.us - gotta-pay-the-bills-somehow
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[20:41:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Massive Fish Kill off Central Vietnam Coast - http://sylnt.us - something-fishy-going-on
[21:40:53] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i think TransBotula has some fancy code that ignores other bots or something
[21:41:14] <crutchy> exec does too but i guess MrPlow isn't listed :p
[22:00:34] <crutchy> dow is on its second rebound. wonder if this downhill will turn into a landslide
[22:01:21] <crutchy> looks like it dropped about 200 points today
[22:12:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Merck Wants its Money Back if University Research is Wrong - http://sylnt.us - people-should-be-more-careful
[22:50:15] <Gravis> hmm... i think the Vulkan API could be pretty great for getting windows graphics stuff on linux. it basically is a platform for implementing your own APIs.
[22:50:53] <Gravis> you could even implement stuff like GLIDE
[22:55:07] <Gravis> it also lets you bring back deprecated and proprietary features from various versions of openGL
[22:58:19] <Gravis> hmm... it should be absolutely fantastic for emulators too
[23:00:11] <Gravis> oww... should be able to use stuff like CUDA only any video card too... though i don't think anyone will bother with that now
[23:21:18] <Subsentient> ~gday crutchy
[23:21:20] * exec insatiably poops a 5¼" floppy dick of pesos for crutchy
[23:39:41] <Gravis> erm... did the page just change?
[23:56:04] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you need to modify the site's CSS to make abbr tags be dash underlined or something
[23:56:38] <SirFinkus> how goes the re-write?
[23:57:01] <Gravis> SirFinkus: more important things happening
[23:57:36] <Gravis> SirFinkus: writing a news story that you may care about
[23:57:49] <SirFinkus> oh, neat
[23:57:53] <SirFinkus> look forward to reading it