#Soylent | Logs for 2016-09-20
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[00:00:12] <Bytram> back
[00:01:44] <khallow> back
[00:01:45] <Bytram> btw, I really enjoyed your journal article about yellowstone!
[00:01:49] <khallow> thanks
[00:02:06] <Bytram> had a great balance of suspense and anticipation
[00:02:08] <khallow> wish I had more to write about, but I just feel like a slouch all day
[00:02:43] <khallow> maybe my downtime before December will recharge my batteries.
[00:02:51] <Bytram> I understand... some days the 'muse' is with me, and on others... not so much
[00:02:52] <khallow> that's one of the reasons I'm thinking of moving to days
[00:03:08] <khallow> at least I'll have more energy for doing stuff at Yellowstone
[00:03:17] <Bytram> getting some sunlight sure helps with my attitude on life
[00:05:20] <Bytram> yannno... have you ever given any thought to being an editor on the site? You certainly seem to have the writing chops based on that story and other things I've seen from you.
[00:05:41] <Bytram> whereto? http://go.theregister.com
[00:05:43] <dogbox> ^ 03Epic snafu takes Australian Securities Exchange offline • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[00:06:56] <khallow> The problem Bytram is that I have rather opinionated views and maybe a really loud mouth
[00:07:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High School Slacker Hacker Gets LTE for Free, T-Mobile Customers Confused - http://sylnt.us - formerly-freebie
[00:07:38] <khallow> I'd rather be arguing over other things than whether my views are influencing my editing decisions
[00:07:43] <khallow> but yes, I have thought about it
[00:07:46] <Bytram> that's honest -- I respect anyone who recognizes their shortcomings/weaknesses and is willing to own them.
[00:08:48] <Bytram> well, i suppose if one really wanted to, there's a way to impose views on things...
[00:09:21] <khallow> I think a lot of people really want to, it's kind of a traditional human thing
[00:09:41] <Bytram> but in most cases, there's the knowledge of community 'feedback' -- that helps keep me in check
[00:09:59] <khallow> true, this is not an echo chamber
[00:10:12] * Bytram spent way too many years dealing with systems analysis
[00:10:49] * Bytram has often taken a choice that came up short for me, personally, but was best for the team / community / group / etc.
[00:11:05] <Bytram> takes a bit of a tough skin, too,.
[00:11:24] <khallow> I agree with that. That's moderately what happened to me with my current job
[00:11:40] <khallow> Although I was able to make some lemonade out of those lemons
[00:12:01] <Bytram> good!
[00:12:27] <Bytram> not the needing tough skin part, the making lemonade part!!
[00:12:33] <khallow> I remember they initially offered the same pay as my old day job
[00:12:34] <khallow> yea
[00:12:51] <khallow> but the job was open in the first place because nobody else wanted it
[00:12:57] <khallow> it had more responsibility
[00:13:02] <Bytram> ooops.
[00:13:08] <khallow> and night work of course
[00:13:10] <Bytram> did it havfe more authority?
[00:13:18] <khallow> A little
[00:13:33] <Bytram> responsibility w/o authority 8stinks*
[00:13:36] <khallow> I currently supervise a team of nine other people
[00:13:50] <Bytram> that's quite a few
[00:13:54] <khallow> and I get a huge amount of cooperation from everyone else in the department
[00:14:07] <Bytram> NICE!
[00:14:17] <Bytram> teamwork++
[00:14:17] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 28
[00:14:44] <khallow> It's exhausting because the work is seasonal, the turnover rather high, and the training rather onerous for a seasonal job
[00:15:10] <khallow> It takes about a month for someone good at the work to get up to speed
[00:15:28] <Bytram> ugh.
[00:15:31] <khallow> it can take more than the entire season for someone who isn't so capable
[00:15:55] <khallow> And then I lose about two thirds of the staff between summer seasons
[00:16:16] <Bytram> so, just when they become truly useful, they're gone. :(
[00:16:21] <khallow> you got it
[00:17:02] <khallow> If Yellowstone were further south, we probably would have a bunch of full time people and it wouldn't be quite as big a problem
[00:17:03] <Bytram> is there some way to partition things so the 'seasoned' folk can deal with the 'hard' stuff, and leave more of the 'simple' stuff for the new hires?
[00:17:12] * Bytram guess you prolly thought about that already
[00:17:19] <khallow> not really unfortunately
[00:17:30] <Bytram> bummer!!
[00:17:31] <khallow> everyone tends to work at a location by themselves
[00:17:47] <Bytram> oooooh.
[00:17:52] <khallow> there's some stuff that they can do, like call others and ask questions
[00:18:17] <khallow> yea, BTW this is night auditing
[00:18:34] <Bytram> making sure it stays dark at night?
[00:18:40] <khallow> it's pure entering in sales data, checking for mistakes
[00:18:41] <Bytram> ;)
[00:18:48] <khallow> no kidding
[00:19:12] <khallow> and fixing problems before guests wake and wonder why this is on their bill
[00:19:24] <Bytram> aha.
[00:19:29] <khallow> checking laundry brb
[00:19:52] <Bytram> so we're talking about much more than just random concession stands
[00:19:52] <Bytram> k
[00:20:02] <Bytram> time for dishes... biab, too.
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[00:24:40] <khallow> yea Bytram, I work for a concessionaire that manages all the hotels, lodges, and cabins, most of the restaurants, and all of the big campgrounds in the park
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[00:27:20] <Bytram> that's quite an operation!
[00:27:54] <Bytram> is it all done on paper or do they have some automation / databases / etc.
[00:28:17] <khallow> there is some automation though there's plenty of room for improvement
[00:28:29] <Bytram> I could kinda tell. =)
[00:28:45] <khallow> we stick all of the data onto a common spreadsheet and then it automatically distributes to who needs it
[00:29:01] <khallow> a lot of the auditor work could be automated
[00:29:08] <khallow> but that would require paying someone
[00:29:09] <Bytram> just having a filter to pull out the common errors and automagically attend to those should help.
[00:29:13] <Bytram> heh.
[00:29:35] <khallow> But we also go through signed receipts and other paperwork
[00:29:41] <Bytram> ahhh.
[00:29:43] <khallow> so that would hard to automate
[00:29:48] <Bytram> scanner
[00:29:53] <Bytram> OCR
[00:29:57] <khallow> yea
[00:30:11] <Bytram> but I hear ya.
[00:30:14] <khallow> or a fancier point of sale system
[00:30:37] <khallow> if the signatures are electronic, then that's a huge part of the overall workload
[00:30:49] <Bytram> ooooh, so the auditors have to be at the physical location to deal with the paper-trail
[00:30:57] <khallow> indeed
[00:31:11] <khallow> and I often end up traveling a fair bit over the night
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[00:31:15] <Bytram> so, the auditors have to go to the data, instead of bringing all the data to one place.
[00:31:34] <khallow> basically each auditor stays at the location
[00:31:46] <khallow> with a few travelers who move between a pair of locations
[00:31:47] <Bytram> do you have internet to each location?
[00:32:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:32:08] <khallow> yes, except for one particularly isolated location which doesn't have an auditor
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[00:32:24] <Bytram> remind me not to stay *there*
[00:32:28] <khallow> In addition, there is an even larger day staff at each location
[00:32:35] <Bytram> makes sense
[00:32:43] <Bytram> that's when there are more people around
[00:32:44] <khallow> people don't go to Yellowstone for the internet :)
[00:32:59] <khallow> they handle a lot of other stuff too
[00:33:09] <Bytram> but some people who do go there wonder why they can't get online, too, I bet.
[00:33:18] <khallow> you bet
[00:33:23] <khallow> especially kids
[00:33:26] <Bytram> LOL
[00:33:49] <khallow> they keep complaining that their brain parasite isn't working right :)
[00:34:16] <Bytram> ROFL!
[00:34:37] <Bytram> but I need to update my fartbook!
[00:35:05] <khallow> civ 5 over here.
[00:35:37] <Bytram> now wait a minute... that might actually be something important! <tongue location="cheek">
[00:36:15] <khallow> currently I'm just making sure my workers are working
[00:36:18] <khallow> not very difficult
[00:36:27] <Bytram> that's a very good place to start.
[00:36:44] <khallow> there isn't even another player within half a world of me
[00:37:13] <Bytram> reason I asked about internet... maybe you could, effectively, 'skype' all the auditors together?
[00:37:26] <khallow> I'm not even seeing barbs until now and they're on very rabid
[00:37:35] <khallow> meh, sort of
[00:37:44] * Bytram didn't grok that at all.
[00:37:51] <khallow> as long as we don't have to connect via a node outside of the park
[00:37:57] * Bytram never played any of the civ's
[00:38:01] <khallow> the exit is pretty messed up
[00:38:06] <Bytram> yeah, INTRAnet
[00:38:15] <khallow> then sure, we could do that
[00:38:23] <khallow> we keep connected by phone right now
[00:38:45] <Bytram> idea being you could hold up a receipt, for example, and others could *see* what you were talking about.
[00:39:02] <khallow> I'm currently playing on some huge Earth map with three computer players
[00:39:04] <Bytram> would cut down on the amount of talk needed to describe a problem.
[00:39:07] <khallow> yea.
[00:39:17] <khallow> currently, we can't scan that stuff
[00:39:30] <khallow> a skype-like interface might not have the resolution
[00:39:32] <Bytram> why not?
[00:40:21] <Bytram> sorry, my msg crossed with yours.
[00:40:34] <khallow> no scanners :)
[00:40:39] <khallow> as to the resolution
[00:40:48] <khallow> sometimes it's stuff like trying to make out a signature
[00:41:05] <khallow> which kind of looks like another signature with a guest attached
[00:41:11] <Bytram> a cheap camera phone would prolly be good enough... upload, send.
[00:41:16] <khallow> yea
[00:41:47] <khallow> unfortunately, it's a tenuous justification at present
[00:42:00] <khallow> usually, anything that they have problems with can be resolved by calling me
[00:42:11] <khallow> and verbally describing the situation
[00:42:20] <Bytram> hmmm
[00:42:31] <khallow> and when it can't there's always the day staff to make it better ;-)
[00:42:56] <khallow> we can't afford to spend a lot of time on a single problem
[00:43:08] <khallow> if it can't be resolved quickly then we often just move on
[00:43:18] <khallow> unless we're in late season like now and are bored
[00:43:19] <Bytram> pick the location where it would provide the best benefit, and do a rollout of skype/scanner/whatever THERE.
[00:43:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:43:47] <Bytram> phone call... biab
[00:44:06] <khallow> laundry coming up
[00:46:37] <Bytram> yeah, gtg. been great chatting with ya!
[00:46:43] <Bytram> hope you have a great night!!
[00:46:44] <khallow> see you around
[00:46:47] <khallow> thanks
[00:46:55] <Bytram> np!
[00:46:58] <Bytram> cheers!
[01:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.telegraph.co.uk
[01:18:27] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:18:47] <khallow> howdy
[01:18:53] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[01:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> evenin, khallow
[01:24:33] <khallow> not much going on over here
[01:24:39] <khallow> killing some time then I go to work
[01:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, doing some last minute packing before i head out in the morning here. house sitting for two weeks.
[01:26:04] <khallow> good night then
[01:26:12] <khallow> I better get some sleep in before work
[01:26:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, happy pillow to ya
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[02:24:00] <khallow> off to work
[02:24:42] <mecctro> mmm, some vanilla beans in with the coffee today
[02:24:46] <mecctro> coffee++
[02:24:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2874
[02:30:52] <Bytram> bedtime++
[02:30:52] <Bender> karma - bedtime: 2
[02:36:27] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:08:21] <mecctro> lol
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[05:33:44] <FatPhil> morning--
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[09:29:43] <chromas> http://www.reuters.com
[09:29:43] <dogbox> ^ 03A New York tale: Two men find bag, remove bomb, take bag| Reuters
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[11:13:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:13:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2875
[11:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, may as well update arch before i run off and leave for a couple weeks
[11:21:45] <mecctro> gotta keep tidy
[11:30:13] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:30:15] * exec casually pesters an animated gif of cigars with TheMightyBuzzard
[11:30:22] <chromas> Leave it running so you can ssh and update every few days
[11:30:28] * cmn32480 wants to go back to bed
[11:30:44] <mecctro> coffee++
[11:30:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2876
[11:30:54] <cmn32480> it's brewing...
[11:30:59] <cmn32480> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:31:04] <mecctro> I'm just counting mine.
[11:31:26] <cmn32480> might need it by IV this morning
[11:31:43] * chromas slips some chili powder in the coffee grounds
[11:32:00] * cmn32480 beats chromas within an inch of his life
[11:32:11] <chromas> Hey, you wanted to wake up
[11:32:14] <mecctro> I don't mind just-a-lil in my coffee
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[11:56:43] <cmn32480> safe travels TheMightyBuzzard
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[13:01:56] <NCommander> 4776 words in story
[13:01:57] <NCommander> Damn
[13:02:05] * NCommander might have gone overboard
[13:06:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's hard to stop when you're hardcore geeking out on a topic
[13:06:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> whether or not you decide to edit is up to you, of course.
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[13:16:45] <khallow> howdy
[13:36:00] * khallow tests emotes.
[13:36:09] <khallow> ok, that works
[13:50:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> hi khallow
[13:50:26] <khallow> hi
[13:55:28] * NCommander emotes at khallow
[13:57:15] <NCommander> I think my article broke the community
[13:58:32] <boru> Hmm, I didn't realise those sorts of articles were welcome.
[13:58:53] <boru> I've a bunch of articles I wrote for newsgroups a while ago, and I was looking for a new home for them.
[13:59:04] <boru> Technical articles, that is.
[13:59:19] <boru> I didn't realise you were doing a series.
[13:59:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> You could submit them if you wanted; or you could just post them as journal entries.
[14:00:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> I don't remember if SN has the "submit journal to editors for potential inclusion on the front page" that /. does
[14:00:36] <boru> It'd spare me the pain of finishing my new website, at least...
[14:02:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> you should go back to working on getting Pale Moon working on BSD. :)
[14:02:29] <boru> A lot of it is deeply-embedded related, exploiting such systems, inventing new and exiciting Forth implementations and a sprinkling of scientific data acquisition and processing.
[14:02:35] <boru> Pft!
[14:03:04] <boru> I did sit down and digest some of that other fella's patches, but they're a bit crap. I might as well work off Tycho, I reckon.
[14:03:32] <boru> First problem I've encountered is the segfault in libxul when trying to parse an XPI.
[14:03:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's probably the place to start - especially if you figure on it taking you a while.
[14:03:38] <boru> That'll fix installing extensions, at least.
[14:04:00] <boru> Aye, it's a matter of having spare cycles, but I'm sufficiently displeased with FF to do so.
[14:04:22] <boru> Even if it costs me my sanity having to deal with autohell.
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[14:45:00] <NCommander> boru, you're trying to get Mozilla working on BSD? Brave man
[14:45:38] <NCommander> boru, I tried to port Firefox 10 to IRIX. I got as far as getting Spidermonkey to pass it's self-test and XPI to initialize but I couldn't get the entire thing to link; not enough address space (stupid thing is too fat)
[14:46:44] <boru> This is PM, as opposed to FF; It links and runs with some judicious autoconf flaggy bits just fine, so far.
[14:46:54] <boru> i.e. turning off the Linux bits.
[14:47:08] <boru> So far, so good, but it's not near ready for prime time just yet.
[14:47:32] <NCommander> boru, well, PM is still based on the common Mozilla code. XPI is absolute pain since its poorly documented, and you have to know both your hardware architecture and calling conventions to make it go
[14:47:54] <boru> FreeBSD's userland allocated storage implementation is jemalloc, so it's 5x5 turning that stuff in PM.
[14:47:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> NCommander: "based on" yes, but has diverged considerably.
[14:48:20] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, my understanding is it was still based on the core frameworks. XPI, NSS, and NSPR + Gecko
[14:48:21] <boru> Yeah, some of the devs have told me about the fun inner workings.
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[14:48:42] <NCommander> I've been tempted to write patches for Pale Moon to add DANE support but I dunno if they'd be accepted
[14:48:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> they've forked Gecko as well - their version is called Goanna
[14:48:54] <NCommander> Missed that bit
[14:49:23] <NCommander> Doesn't surprise me. Gecko really has gotten fudgly since Mozilla basically "just don't care" on a lot of it as far as I can tell. the WebGL stuff is beyond horrid
[14:49:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> Caused the devs a bunch of trouble because there's a user-agent detection library that just searches for "Goa" to detect the mobile device Wiko Goa.
[14:49:54] <boru> I'd maintain the FreeBSD port, but I'd like to trick^Wtalk someone into helping with bug finding and patches.
[14:50:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> And both Moonchild and Matt A. Tobin have repeatedly stated that patches are welcome, so make them prove it. :)
[14:50:10] <boru> Since I don't have the cycles to be very active at the moment.
[14:50:17] <NCommander> boru, FreeBSD ports team would probably help a lot
[14:50:34] <boru> You miscontrue, that part is easy. I've been a port maintainer for a while.
[14:50:43] <boru> I mean the actual modifications to the PM codebase.
[14:51:00] <NCommander> boru, you need commit access ;)
[14:51:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> they're both pretty active in #palemoon over on Freenode
[14:51:10] <boru> That's not a problem.
[14:51:29] <NCommander> boru, what sort of articles would you like to run?
[14:51:38] <NCommander> boru, I'm glad to have other people run original content for SN
[14:52:25] <boru> More or less what I alluded to above. Nothing to get the site into trouble, though.
[14:52:45] <boru> Though, arguably, those are the interesting parts.
[14:54:04] <NCommander> boru, feel to write it up, and we can post and edit it. I can give you an editor's account on dev to let you draft it sanely, and then copy it over when its done
[14:56:25] <boru> Aye, I might take you up on that if/when I get around to it. It's all plain text, so it'll probably need a bit of dressing up for the site.
[14:56:44] <boru> Shame we can't submit via NNTP!
[14:57:47] <NCommander> boru, I actually did some work on tying SN to NNTP awhile ago. Got semi-bidirectionaity working but INN is kinda crap for this sort of thing
[14:58:02] <boru> Indeed. The web is broken.
[14:58:03] <NCommander> boru, https://soylentnews.org
[14:58:05] <dogbox> ^ 03SN article: Request For Comments: SoylentNews->Netnews (NNTP) Gateway 04(39 comments)
[14:58:57] <boru> I'll grok that in a bit.
[14:59:44] <NCommander> boru, the largest problem is basically INN sucks hardcore for getting data out and moderated groups. You have to have a DIY filter to handle Approved, and then kick it backwards into an outbound UUCP spool where perl could grok it into posts. To ties into username authetication gets into very very ugly territory
[15:00:36] <boru> Well, you can use any external auth mechanism you want.
[15:00:39] <boru> (With INN that is)
[15:01:09] <boru> I think the solution is to do away with the website altogether and just host an NNTP server.
[15:01:36] <boru> SNR would soar!
[15:03:29] <boru> I can imagine tying the commenting together is a bit of a pain in the arse, though.
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[15:05:47] <NCommander> boru, right, but I can't embed that information into headers easily. i.e., user X sent post X without patching INN
[15:06:17] <NCommander> boru, furthermore, for things like moderation, I'd have to tie in the ability to cancel and repost for score changes which would change the sequence ID in NNTP causing a message to show as NEW
[15:06:25] <boru> Ah, I see where you're going, I think.
[15:06:33] <boru> Yeah.
[15:06:39] <LoRdTAW> So I'm reading through Ncommander's TSR article and I thought, if we want to persue ho-to's and other user submitted tech articles, how do we find them easily in the future for reference without resorting to bookmarks?
[15:07:11] <LoRdTAW> How about a new category with a quick link for the how-to's and technical stuff?
[15:07:15] <NCommander> LoRdTAW, We're adding a new Nexus in the future for original content. Right now, I've just dumped them into /meta since that's where all "original" content (mostly site stuff) goes
[15:08:04] <LoRdTAW> Ah, excellent. I look forward to it.
[15:08:08] <boru> Tags and filters would be useful for that, also, as well as my own personal grumpiness; I really wish I could filter out politically-slanted articles...
[15:08:12] <NCommander> LoRdTAW, we have a site update brewing, but it got sidetracked by TheMightyBuzzard
[15:08:26] <NCommander> boru, you can filter by author and by topic
[15:08:52] <boru> Sure, but a blacklist would be nice e.g. everything-except-politics
[15:08:56] <NCommander> ... you used to be able to filter by topic
[15:09:00] <NCommander> That appears to have broken
[15:09:32] <NCommander> boru, we might move politic stories to their own nexus, which can be then filtered out or displayed "minimized"
[15:09:46] <boru> Define 'nexus'.
[15:10:49] <NCommander> boru, a special top level category for stories. They get a special banner on the top
[15:10:57] <boru> I hope you don't mean something like `subject.sn.org` -- it'd be a pain in the hoop having to switch domain to read multiple categories I'd be interested in. Say, technology and science, for example.
[15:11:13] <boru> Hmm.
[15:11:17] <NCommander> boru, its actually the same feature, but we rewrote it to use soylentnews.org/nexus_name
[15:12:02] <NCommander> (we can attach a seperate subdomain if we want. I.e., if we ever do soylentnews.jp, we can host it on one copy of the site, and then just have content loaded automatically)
[15:12:33] <boru> I still kind of like my filtering idea. 'Filter' being the keyword; I want to read anything which might be interesting, but not topic X.
[15:12:48] <boru> Fair enough if that's unrealistic. Just thinking aloud.
[15:13:01] <NCommander> boru, still tricky to implement though TBH. I'll accept patches for it if you want to implement it.
[15:13:34] <boru> Noted. I'll have to patch life, first.
[15:14:35] <NCommander> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/boru/responsibilities bs=1M skip=1 # first MB has things like eating and breathing
[15:14:45] * boru chuckles.
[15:15:57] <NCommander> Uptake on comments is kinda muted :(, the previous article kinda exploded
[15:16:41] <boru> The comments feature, or comments on site direction/development?
[15:20:36] <NCommander> boru, just comments on the article
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[16:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, I didn't get groped by tsa. not even for a big tip.
[16:09:54] * TheMightyBuzzard gets ready to board
[16:26:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Number of Smokers in England Drops to All-Time Low - http://sylnt.us - How-much-did-folks-at-Stonehenge-smoke?
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[17:16:16] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[17:19:41] <cmn32480> how awkward is it to be the _ONLY_ person that shows up for a manufacturer trainign class...
[17:19:58] <janrinok> perhaps you're the only one needing training?
[17:24:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> well you know it will be one on one with the instructor
[17:24:19] <janrinok> but manufacturer's training classes are rarely popular
[17:24:29] <janrinok> is she nice?
[17:24:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> which could be anywhere from very good to very bad, depending on the instructor.
[17:25:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> janrinok: "very bad" is the instruction is a fat old man who smells bad
[17:25:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> so Richard Stallman, basically.
[17:26:01] <janrinok> ah, my commiserations
[17:26:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm not there. Fortunately for me, if the instructor is in fact Stallman-esque.
[17:26:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> For cmn32480's sake, I hope that the instruction is more statuesque than Stallman-esque.
[17:27:45] <cmn32480> nah she isn't stallman-esque AndyTheAbsurd
[17:27:46] <janrinok> highly unlikely - cmn is not the luckiest of people, look who he has to share the Ed job with ....!
[17:28:02] <cmn32480> not the greatest looker in the world.. but VERY smart, and we get along well
[17:28:20] <janrinok> she probably thinks you are wonderful ...
[17:28:20] <cmn32480> janrinok - don't remind me
[17:28:27] <janrinok> :~)
[17:28:28] <cmn32480> she does.. I always get a hug
[17:29:36] <janrinok> does she like your boot?
[17:31:16] <cmn32480> she comiserated about when she had one for something else
[17:31:25] <cmn32480> that isn't a euphamism for somethign dirty is it?
[17:31:44] <janrinok> so she didn't embarrass herself going hiking with the scouts then?
[17:32:19] <janrinok> or did you tell her it was a war wound but you can't talk about it ....?
[17:32:33] <cmn32480> I told her I could tell her... but I'd have to kill her
[17:34:00] <janrinok> unoriginal - but, hey, if it works it works!
[17:43:44] <cmn32480> she giggled... then rolled her eyes in an exagerated manner as I told the real story... which got hug laughs
[17:43:59] <janrinok> hug laughs or huge laughs
[17:44:19] <janrinok> you smoothie
[17:45:01] <cmn32480> HUGE laughs
[17:45:12] <cmn32480> at the fact that I was such a clumzy dumbass
[17:45:20] <janrinok> you had me getting envious then
[17:45:43] <janrinok> ah, the appeal to her mothering instinct, I like your style
[17:46:03] <cmn32480> we'll yanno?
[17:48:50] <cmn32480> I try very hard to keep you happy janrionok.. as opposed to my wife, kids, and employer
[17:49:02] <janrinok> lol
[17:50:44] <cmn32480> I need a nap
[17:50:46] <cmn32480> again
[17:50:54] <janrinok> you had one yesterday!
[17:50:56] <cmn32480> somethign about this time of day makes me wanna go zzzzzzzzzz
[17:52:09] <janrinok> well, how long this time?
[17:52:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> https://techcrunch.com
[17:52:31] <dogbox> ^ 03Seriously, we don?t need smartphone-controlled candles | TechCrunch
[17:52:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> I gotta agree with the URL (as well as the title tag)
[17:52:57] <cmn32480> I'd like about 2 hours, please
[17:53:35] <cmn32480> AndyTheAbsurd - I do like the fact that when my kids lose the remote I can control my TV from the app on my smart phone
[17:53:45] <janrinok> 1 hour, and not a minute more or I will tell your boss
[17:54:17] <janrinok> can you control your kids from an app on your smart phone?
[17:54:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> that would be impressive.
[17:54:26] <cmn32480> only their shock collars
[17:54:35] <cmn32480> er...
[17:54:44] <cmn32480> behavioral modification neckwear
[17:54:53] <janrinok> and you wonder why they kick your ankle ...?
[17:55:19] <cmn32480> then I turn up the voltage
[17:56:19] <janrinok> to 11
[17:57:59] * cmn32480 hands janrinok a 0
[17:58:17] <janrinok> wire them in to the big stuff, eh?
[17:58:45] <cmn32480> some days they get out of control
[17:59:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> Isn't janrinok in Europe where household voltage is usually ~220V? (or is that just Britain?)
[17:59:07] * janrinok means big stuff for the USA, we Europeans don't muck about, we go straight to the 220-240v
[17:59:27] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, all of Europe as far as I know
[17:59:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> You can get 220V service in the US but it's got to be installed special
[18:00:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> there's a hot tub on my back patio that uses it
[18:00:24] <janrinok> is the tub manufactured in Europe?
[18:00:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> said hot tub is drained and the breaker is switched to "off" because I didn't use it
[18:00:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> No
[18:00:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> funny story though
[18:00:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> it was bought by a Catholic church (which used to own the house)
[18:01:11] <janrinok> oh, this sounds good ....
[18:01:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> so...what were the priests and/or nuns doing in the hot tub?
[18:01:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> we're not really sure as we're atheists and don't go inside churches if we can avoid it.
[18:02:01] <cmn32480> janrinok - 220v is VERY common in the US. Every house has it
[18:02:04] <janrinok> makes for a fun baptism, I suppose
[18:02:28] <janrinok> cmn32480, I never knew, I thought you were 110-120V
[18:02:53] <cmn32480> I'm guessing that they use 110 for most stuff because it costs more for the same amount of juice
[18:03:00] <cmn32480> every electric stove
[18:03:01] <cmn32480> oven
[18:03:05] <cmn32480> hot water heater
[18:03:14] <cmn32480> HVAC system
[18:03:33] <cmn32480> anything that takes a lot of juice to run is 220
[18:03:55] <cmn32480> most regular things run on 110
[18:04:09] <janrinok> why not just settle for one voltage?
[18:04:38] <cmn32480> nobody asked me about it
[18:04:45] <janrinok> ah, more fool them
[18:05:58] <janrinok> time for a cup of tea
[18:06:02] <janrinok> brb
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[18:10:39] <janrinok> tea++
[18:10:39] <Bender> karma - tea: 559
[18:15:18] <khallow> janrinok, because they have to step voltage up and down anyway. It's not hard to provide multiple voltages as a result.
[18:15:48] <khallow> And doubling the voltage for high power appliances drops energy loss from resistive losses by a factor of 4
[18:16:12] <janrinok> khallow, I understand that, but why not choose the more efficient of the 2, is a safety issue?
[18:16:28] <janrinok> energy transfer is more efficient at higher voltages
[18:17:25] <khallow> I think so. 220V is considerably more dangerous than 110V from a variety of viewpoints such as electrocution hazard, bad wiring, and arcing
[18:18:03] <janrinok> well yes and no. 'It's the volts that jolts, but it's the mils that kills' as my old instructor used to say
[18:18:34] <khallow> You'll get more mils through a human body from 220V source
[18:18:51] * janrinok has had the misfortune to accidentally touch a line transformer on an old valve tv - 27Kv. Found myself on the other side of the room!
[18:19:21] <khallow> ouch
[18:19:33] <janrinok> won't do that again
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[18:19:45] <sea> takyon: TAKYOOOOONNNNNNN!!!!!!!
[18:19:59] <janrinok> hi takyon
[18:20:06] <sea> takyon: I'll have to read the article!? REALLY?! REALLLYYY!?!?! READ THE ARTICLE!!
[18:20:15] * sea shoots takyon for that blasphemous suggestion
[18:20:18] <khallow> The obvious solution is to put a screwdriver across the contacts and then wipe the liquid metal spray off your face
[18:21:04] <janrinok> ah, I see that you object to that old clickbait ploy, sea ...?
[18:21:29] <sea> Not only do I object, I..object. What's a synonym for object?
[18:21:37] <sea> I oppose!
[18:21:39] <sea> I STRONGLY OPPOSE
[18:21:50] * sea yells bloody murder
[18:21:52] <khallow> eh, you're just feeding him
[18:21:57] <janrinok> you oppose the objection, or object to the opposition?
[18:22:10] <sea> uh
[18:22:39] <janrinok> 'up to 11' oppose and object then
[18:22:55] <khallow> no one would seriously suggest reading the article unless they were harvesting the tears of the unwary
[18:23:24] <sea> I demand that someone read the article for me and write a longer summary.
[18:23:29] <janrinok> lol
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[18:23:41] <sea> If I read it myself, I'll break my streak of not reading articles and that would be disasterous
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[18:23:55] <sea> I worked hard for that streak
[18:24:02] <janrinok> mechanicj doesn't stay long nowadays
[18:24:20] <sea> looks like a network issue
[18:24:37] <janrinok> yep, but I never let facts stand in the way of a good mocking
[18:26:09] <khallow> and are they really facts if you aren't looking?
[18:31:05] <sea> Hmm.. they're 'potential facts'
[18:31:38] <sea> Which doesn't make them any less real. See: Potential Energy
[18:31:57] <mechanicjay1> yeah yeah, had to move the shelf my router was on, the power cable was all wrapped up. No choice but to unplug.
[18:32:14] <mechanicjay1> 's okay, 40 Mb fiber service is being drilled through my walls as I type!
[18:32:43] <khallow> drill baby drill
[18:33:02] <janrinok> you'll be buried in Mbs
[18:33:59] <mechanicjay1> 8x faster baby!
[18:34:55] <mechanicjay1> I don't mind my 5Mb DSL, but the 768K uplink is a real killer.
[18:34:56] <khallow> all I can say is that my Mbs are wholly inadequate
[18:35:03] <khallow> I'm seeing a doctor about it
[18:36:10] <janrinok> my Mbs still get delivered by horse and cart, but I live in a rural area
[18:36:31] <mechanicjay1> TCP/Donkey Cart?
[18:36:46] <janrinok> TCP/OldDonkyCart
[18:36:52] <khallow> My Mbs get delivered by microwave. You'd think that would be as cool as it sounds :(
[18:38:52] <khallow> in practice it ranges from 300-400k at 2am to modem speeds at 10pm, sometimes really slow modems
[18:39:12] <mechanicjay1> khallow: that's pretty bad.
[18:39:14] <sea> Tell them to crank up the power
[18:39:21] <sea> Intensify the beam
[18:39:29] <mechanicjay1> align the dished?
[18:39:37] <mechanicjay1> s/dished/dishes/g
[18:39:37] <sedctl> <mechanicjay1> align the dishes?
[18:39:41] <janrinok> plug it in?
[18:39:48] <mechanicjay1> turn it off and turn it on again?
[18:39:58] <janrinok> hit it on the side
[18:40:11] <janrinok> curse and swear at it
[18:40:25] <sea> It sounds like disturbance from atmospheric conditions that vary through the day. Have you tried terraforming?
[18:40:34] <khallow> I'm forwarding this to Verizon as we speak, the collective power of our condemnation will no doubt change their behavior
[18:40:42] <mechanicjay1> maybe he needs to reticulate his splines.
[18:40:46] <janrinok> yes, I'm sure it will
[18:41:20] <janrinok> I think the wankel-grommet needs conflating again
[18:41:37] <mechanicjay1> I have a car with a wankle engine, could that help?
[18:41:44] <khallow> yea, it's a series of microwave dish repeaters for about 50 miles then fiber
[18:42:21] <janrinok> and somewhere in the line of dishes is some sod with a spark-gap transmitter
[18:43:06] <khallow> don't need that when you have massive numbers of users kicking around
[18:43:42] <janrinok> no, but it gives that person something to do
[18:43:44] <khallow> and everyone wants their movies, Skype, or MMO
[18:44:06] <khallow> true, I guess I get a lot of stuff I don't ever need... or want
[18:44:59] <mechanicjay1> khallow: my only high bandwidth use is the Netflix. Else it's pretty low use. I'm hoping, however, that this connection is more stable than DSL -- maybe I can bring my mail and webserver back in house.
[18:45:14] <mechanicjay1> Though, linode has been a REALLY good vps.
[18:45:38] * cmn32480 thuds head on desk
[18:45:43] <khallow> yea, that would be nice
[18:45:51] <janrinok> just woken up, cmn?
[18:46:43] * mechanicjay1 hands cmn32480 a pillow to soften the blow
[18:46:45] <khallow> or went to sleep
[18:48:08] * janrinok pulls the pillow away again because he liked the sound of the first thud so much
[18:49:22] <cmn32480> sadly I wish... otp w/a custoemr that can't seem to understand that he ought o ahve paid ius to do this
[18:50:39] <khallow> what does otp mean?
[18:50:42] <cmn32480> I want to reach throuhg the phone and beat him
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[18:50:49] <cmn32480> on the phone.
[18:50:55] <khallow> ok
[18:50:56] <cmn32480> ~define OTP
[18:50:58] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03OTP: One True Pairing. Meaning the your favorite combination of characters in a fandom.
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[18:51:11] <cmn32480> #smake exec
[18:51:11] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a tit
[18:51:19] <janrinok> that seems the better definition of the 2 offered so far
[18:52:02] <khallow> maybe your customer would be better paired with another clueless customer?
[18:52:09] <khallow> to save money, you know
[18:52:20] <cmn32480> that amount of stupid might implode the world
[18:53:09] <janrinok> just wait until I get off then
[18:53:17] <janrinok> nograb
[18:53:24] <khallow> Just think of all the money you could save, if you only had to walk oh, 35 centimeters to get anywhere else on Earth
[18:53:40] <janrinok> er, not sure where this is going ...
[18:54:26] <khallow> air fares would be cheap
[18:54:38] <janrinok> well, you could always walk instead
[18:55:32] <janrinok> as a downside you would be awfully close to Ethanol, jmorris et al
[18:55:56] <janrinok> just to pick a few random names, you understand
[18:56:08] <khallow> yea, I bet they have goats in their backyards
[18:56:43] <khallow> the bloom is off the rose
[18:56:49] <janrinok> nearly time for me to go and leave everything in your more than capable hands ...
[18:57:55] <khallow> then I probably ought to revert to my most competent configuration
[18:58:01] <khallow> holding a pillow down
[18:59:35] <khallow> anyway, good day/night/whatever
[19:01:36] <janrinok> ~gbye guys
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[19:02:49] <khallow> bye as well
[19:07:56] * cmn32480 thinks about crying...
[19:09:41] <cmn32480> WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE SHOOT ME??????????????
[19:09:49] <cmn32480> I'll let you break the other ankle
[19:12:11] <boru> Lusers/customers or management?
[19:13:43] <cmn32480> luser customer
[19:15:30] <cmn32480> fucking guy should ahve paid us to so it instead of wasting all my time over the phone
[19:15:39] <cmn32480> #smake kuser customer
[19:15:39] * MrPlow smakes kuser customer upside the head with a barrel o' monkeys
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[19:26:05] <mechanicjay> my pings are so fast!
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[20:04:54] <mechanicjay1> and basicaly, ISP supplied wireless devices are the most useless pieces of shit on the planet. As soon as you start moving significant amounts of data through them, they just fall flat and drop connections like a mofo.
[20:05:11] <cmn32480> yes... we have noticed.
[20:05:29] * cmn32480 hands mechanicjay1 all his ping outs
[20:06:52] <mechanicjay1> I'm just trying to get some damn work done and don't really want to take the time reconfigure my linsys AP at the moment.
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[20:07:24] <cmn32480> high quality stuff!
[20:46:09] <SirFinkus> good consumer WAPs are hard to find in general
[20:46:19] <SirFinkus> most of them choke under any load
[20:47:47] <SirFinkus> I've recently got a linksys WRT1200AC and it's been pretty flawless
[20:48:24] <mechanicjay1> SirFinkus: I have an older LinkSys wrt54g. I've pushed huges amounts of data through this thing and it's never choked.
[20:48:52] <SirFinkus> yeah, got to be the older ones though, they nerfed the later models unless you have the wrt54gl
[20:49:21] <SirFinkus> the 1200ac is nice because you get the faster modes
[20:49:37] <mechanicjay1> I was at my local GoodWill last month and they had a stack of them, from really old to really good to nerfed..for $5 ea
[20:50:14] <mechanicjay1> Though I've had mine going on...holy shit....10 years!
[20:50:33] <SirFinkus> if you want a newer one, spend the $120 and get something good if you plan on doing anything other than basic internet surfing
[20:50:41] <SirFinkus> and probably even in that case
[20:51:04] <SirFinkus> last router I had would choke on 10GB wireless file transfers
[20:51:11] <SirFinkus> and just die randomly
[20:51:16] <mechanicjay1> Yeah, it's also only a 10/100 hub, so it's a real choke point when trying to move large files to/from the NAS
[20:52:06] <SirFinkus> I could have sworn the 54g was gigabit
[20:52:09] <SirFinkus> it's been a while though
[20:52:18] <mechanicjay1> maybe the newer revs
[20:56:18] <mechanicjay1> lets' see, mine is a v5, the frist VxWorks OS w/ 2mb -- wikipedia tells me this prompted the micro- versions of 3rd party firmware.
[20:57:10] <mechanicjay1> eh, like I said, it's been a rock for almost a decade!
[20:58:58] <SirFinkus> noice
[20:59:20] <SirFinkus> I think I got rid of mine because it couldn't handle torrents very well
[20:59:36] <SirFinkus> err, linux distros and big buck bunny torrents of course
[21:00:50] <chromas> GNU/Brazzers
[21:08:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Date-Rape Drink Spiking 'an Urban Legend' in UK - http://sylnt.us - I'll-drink-to-that
[22:27:12] <chromas> Sounds like misogyny to me
[22:28:23] <sea> everything is misogyny
[22:28:26] <sea> EVERYTHING
[22:29:01] * sea sobs
[22:36:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Graphene Nanoribbons Show Promise for Healing Spinal Injuries - http://sylnt.us - 'and-the-lame-shall-walk'
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