#Soylent | Logs for 2017-02-12
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[00:00:04] <Bytram> sorry to hear it!!
[00:00:10] <cmn32480> shit happens
[00:00:11] <dyingtolive> sounds like a worthwhile investment if you can convince management.
[00:00:18] <cmn32480> this is why I am trying to get the firewalls replaced this year
[00:00:39] <cmn32480> they have started getting flaky over the last 18 months or so
[00:01:45] * cmn32480 gets his ass in gear to order a couple cheap PC's to reload w/ PF Sense
[00:03:23] <cmn32480> it's a firewall... it can't require any actual horsepower, right?
[00:04:39] * cmn32480 thinks he has a couple old P4's in the junk pinle at the office
[00:05:19] <Bytram> !uid
[00:05:20] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6494, owned by threatworking
[00:05:31] <paulej72> too much backlog to read
[00:05:32] <dyingtolive> raspberry pis. pierwall
[00:05:42] <paulej72> Bytram: did you check out dev
[00:06:30] <Bytram> not yet...will soon
[00:06:32] <cmn32480> dyingtolive - I need 3 interfaces on at least one of them
[00:07:13] <cmn32480> other sites need 2
[00:07:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ford Investing $1 Billion in Self-Driving Car Startup - http://sylnt.us - google-not-the-only-game-in-town
[00:08:08] <cmn32480> and in truth, I need a backup at the main office... jic
[00:11:00] <Bytram> paulej72: I'm liking it *much* better... gotta poke around some more to understand full ramifications
[00:11:36] <dyingtolive> long as we're doing this wrong, pi has wifi and interface. you only need a usb ethernet.
[00:11:37] <paulej72> sounds good
[00:11:49] <paulej72> or two
[00:11:55] <dyingtolive> 100mb should be enough for anyone, right?
[00:12:13] <paulej72> damn right
[00:12:47] <paulej72> That is all I gots on my ipad right now because my airport express only does 100mb uplink
[00:13:26] <Bytram> umm, not a big fan of the title bar for the comments whose score is below the threshold... maybe fill it in (default red) like any other comment -- is a bit jarring to me, but I'm fighting 15 years' familiarity hear, too
[00:13:28] <paulej72> was not a problem until Comcast upped my speeds recently above 100mb
[00:13:50] <Bytram> *here
[00:14:46] * Bytram is very tired; left work early and had to spend 30 minutes clearing ice off car windows before he could even leave the parking lot. :/
[00:15:00] <paulej72> I think i did it that way to take up less space
[00:15:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i blame obama
[00:15:51] <Bytram> okay... I'm talking about JUST the red part that appears in a normal, fully-displayed comment
[00:15:54] <Bytram> ~blame
[00:16:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> 404
[00:16:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, fix yer bot
[00:16:20] <Bytram> yep
[00:16:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i'll do a write-up on the site update tomorrow morning unless you're planning the roll-out tonight.
[00:17:06] <Bytram> paulej72: btw, I have to say I'm am absolutely amazed at how you've managed to do all the collapse / expand stuff with just css - absolutely amazing
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[00:18:10] <Bytram> if I may suggest? tell the community that it is up on dv, and have them beat on it, there, and if there are any lurking bugs, have a chance at getting them before pushing to prod.
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[00:18:44] <Bytram> #fite charon
[00:18:44] <MrPlow> #fite temporarily restricted to the channel #fite
[00:18:52] <charon_> so what happened to improved threaded on dev?
[00:19:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it's easier to get forgiveness than permission
[00:19:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, all threaded is improved now
[00:19:48] <charon_> but it doesn't indent?
[00:19:55] <Bytram> nah, you is just afraid to call it a 'Beta' !!!
[00:20:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> does unless you have it set to flat
[00:20:25] <Bytram> charon_: e.g.: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[00:21:32] <charon_> ok, that looks fine. but the other test threads have no indenting
[00:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'cause dev was broke at that time. they're supposed to not.
[00:22:26] <charon_> spaghetti
[00:22:28] <Bytram> paulej72: so, if there are comments on a story, I've my pref set to show me 100 stories, and there a total of 5 comments at +5, and I set threshold to 5, I'm going to see 95 abbreviated comments, and 5 fully-displayed comments?
[00:23:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yes. if not it's a bug.
[00:23:11] <Bytram> s are/are 100/
[00:23:30] <paulej72> yes
[00:23:50] <Bytram> that is intended?
[00:23:55] <paulej72> yes
[00:24:20] <paulej72> there are 100 comments on the page, just 95 are cllapsed
[00:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> calculating the scores beforehand would be insanely costly and require pulling all comments to sort through.
[00:24:53] <charon_> i don't suppose there's a way to uncollapse an entire thread?
[00:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> see the double chevron?
[00:25:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> poke it
[00:25:08] <Bytram> charon_: use the double chevron
[00:25:14] <Bytram> ninja'd
[00:25:20] <charon_> doesn't work if they're hidden by threshhold
[00:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya?
[00:25:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> does so
[00:26:05] <charon_> lies
[00:26:08] <paulej72> double cheveron on collapsed the trhead it does not change the individual comments
[00:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> you collapse a top level comment with the double chevron and all its kids collapse with it.
[00:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> even the already collapsed ones.
[00:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> the single chevron is only supposed to collapse the current comment
[00:27:20] <paulej72> charon_ wants a button that toggles all of the childers collapsed state
[00:27:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh
[00:27:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't have one
[00:27:36] <paulej72> each of them indiviually
[00:27:39] <charon_> ok, so if my threshold is 5, one comment is visible because it is 5, the rest are just title bars. the chevron does nothing
[00:28:06] <paulej72> single chevron will open each comment
[00:28:15] <charon_> well, not exactly nothing. it will collapse the 5 if i click a parent chevron
[00:28:39] * Bytram just envisioned comment trees of depth 5 with all manner of scores and having depth 5 or dept 4 comments collapsed or not and whether that woul dbe preserved as one goes back up the tree and collapses/restored at depths 3, 2, and 1
[00:28:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> single chevron works for that comment. double chevron works for that comment and its children
[00:29:06] <charon_> but i'm out of luck if i want to see the context of a comment that reached 5
[00:30:21] <paulej72> no just go to the parent and click on the single chevron if not already open
[00:30:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> collapsed comment single chevron uncollapses that comment
[00:30:25] <Bytram> is there a reason there is a double chevron for leaf comments in a tree? (it has no children)
[00:30:40] <paulej72> too hard to not have it
[00:31:03] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:31:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon_, there isn't a "parent chevron". there's a this comment and this comment and all its children chevron
[00:31:26] <paulej72> the real question is are they htere in flat mode
[00:31:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> individual comment chevron takes precedence over double chevron
[00:32:01] <charon_> i get it. just was thinking of a button on the top comment of each thread that would expand every comment in that thread regardless of score
[00:32:20] <Bytram> charon_: hover your mouse over the chevron(s) -- the alt text is nicely explanatory
[00:32:21] <paulej72> nope thread cheverons are not displayed in flat
[00:32:29] <charon_> so you can see what the +5 was responding
[00:32:35] <Bytram> paulej72++
[00:32:35] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 233
[00:32:50] <Bytram> short break; biab
[00:32:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, would be handy but i don't think it's really doable since right now the single chevron takes precedence.
[00:33:28] <paulej72> also all the magic is done with html and css. no js here
[00:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well... we COULD write the css on the fly for each request but i do not have such a wish to do so.
[00:34:41] <paulej72> it might be possible, but it would take a lot of work I think
[00:35:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think it's possible. i'm just not sure how much it'd slow us down.
[00:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> or what else it would make insanely difficult
[00:35:41] <charon_> is it js doing what it does on prod? the buttons with a ++ and --?
[00:35:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> more or less
[00:36:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it's css not js
[00:36:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is rather. prod is js.
[00:36:33] <paulej72> I think it could be done wiht just the stuff we have now, it would just take a while to firegur out the coreect css
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[00:36:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup.
[00:37:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, get a better internet connection =P
[00:37:14] <charon__> bwahaha. to forbade js on *.soylentnews.com. too bad i was on web IRC
[00:37:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[00:37:38] <charon__> but you're right, it is js that does those buttons.
[00:37:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> serves ya right for using that instead of a real irc client.
[00:38:16] <charon__> i'm at work, real IRC clients are forbidden
[00:38:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[00:38:42] <charon__> shhhhh
[00:38:48] <paulej72> yeah irc is just a hotbed for infection vectors
[00:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yays! we still have 37GB free after last night's backup!
[00:39:09] <charon__> it makes people like me hang out on IRC instead of working
[00:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, the programs are forbidden or the ports are blocked?
[00:39:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause we could totally set up the irc server to listen on yet another port.
[00:40:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> or Deucalion could anyway.
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[00:40:25] <charon__> anything that needs installing runs up to a windows UAC error
[00:40:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
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[00:40:54] <paulej72> prepackaged irc client, there should be at least one.
[00:41:12] <charon_> i thought so too, but the content firewall also blocks searching for one
[00:41:31] <paulej72> search at home
[00:41:34] <charon_> i'm fine with this at work, can catch up on backscroll at home
[00:42:58] <charon_> http://www.richmond.com
[00:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay. i feel like ass. i'm gonna go pour honeyed whiskey down my throat and watch tv until i fall asleep.
[00:43:17] <charon_> where's exec?
[00:43:28] <charon_> cheers TMB, take it easy
[00:43:41] <paulej72> executed?
[00:44:08] <charon_> must be. he deserves it
[00:44:10] <paulej72> was working earlier
[00:44:50] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard, the bot is behind the aforementioned firewall....
[00:45:30] <paulej72> exec died about an hour and a 1/2 ago
[00:45:52] <charon_> when's the wake? open bar?
[00:46:36] <cmn32480> I know... exec dies when I rebooted the firewall at work remotely and it didna coem back
[00:46:49] <cmn32480> so I'm sobering up to go to the office to poke that bitch in the eye with a sledgehammer
[00:47:25] <paulej72> if ya moved ti to our servers this would not be an issue
[00:47:41] <paulej72> unless exec is a pig
[00:48:15] <cmn32480> exec runs scripts...
[00:48:19] <cmn32480> you don't wanna do that
[00:48:30] <cmn32480> and this is a pretty rare occurrance
[00:48:39] * cmn32480 gathers up his wallet adn serial cable
[00:49:18] <paulej72> ok we need a bot that runs on a big iron router
[00:49:55] <cmn32480> the serial cable so for the firewall... just in case
[00:50:46] <charon_> definitely sledgehammer time
[00:51:08] <cmn32480> alrighty... back in a bit
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[01:36:01] <jasassin> what happened to your website? it looks like it got punched in the head
[01:36:41] <charon_> #submit https://www.technologyreview.com
[01:36:42] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:37:07] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[01:40:06] <charon_> #submit http://digiday.com
[01:40:07] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:40:32] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[01:43:07] <Fnord666> #submit https://arstechnica.com
[01:43:08] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:43:33] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[01:43:42] <charon_> DD game? NSFW?
[01:45:09] <Fnord666> lol
[01:45:11] <Fnord666> no
[01:45:13] <Fnord666> DnD
[01:47:33] <Fnord666> But nice interpretation of the headline
[01:47:56] <Fnord666> I guess it is a bit titillating
[01:48:03] * charon_ groans
[01:48:40] <Fnord666> :)
[01:50:23] <Fnord666> afk brb
[01:56:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Innovative Spirit: These "Smart Glasses" Adjust to Your Vision Automatically - http://sylnt.us - modern-conveniences
[02:06:57] <cmn32480> shit
[02:07:06] <cmn32480> shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
[02:07:57] <cmn32480> oh my fucking god
[02:08:03] <cmn32480> total factory default
[02:08:17] <cmn32480> jesus h fucking roosevelt christ
[02:09:18] <charon_> that sounds bad
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[02:15:23] <Bytram> oh oh... ouch!
[02:15:52] <Bytram> are there backups?
[02:23:46] <Bytram> on second thought, obviously not. =(
[02:24:18] * Bytram wishes the very best of luck to cmn
[02:24:22] <Bytram> ~gnight #Editorial
[02:42:07] * chromas gives cmn32480 undelete
[03:25:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tennessee Bill to Require Free Speech on Campus - http://sylnt.us - free-speech-for-all
[03:31:25] <chromas> From the das-rasic dept
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[03:54:35] <cmn32480> fucking firewalls
[03:54:41] <cmn32480> I go home now
[05:16:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NBC Says Russia May Consider Handing Edward Snowden to the U.S. - http://sylnt.us - what-does-Trump-have-to-do-in-return?
[05:19:41] <Fnord666> #submit https://www.engadget.com
[05:19:42] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[05:19:42] <exec> └─ 13'FTL' successor shows off adorable mech battles
[05:20:07] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:20:19] <Fnord666> #submit https://www.engadget.com
[05:20:20] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[05:20:21] <exec> └─ 13How an AI took down four world-class poker pros
[05:20:45] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[05:27:23] <takyon_> Vhttp://www.spacedaily.com
[05:27:25] <exec> └─ 13Dwarf star 200 light years away contains life's building blocks
[05:27:31] <takyon_> KILL KILL KILL
[05:30:48] <Deucalion> o.O
[05:32:49] <takyon_> normal one to prove its not just winter soldier/manchurian candidate stuff: http://www.spacedaily.com
[05:32:50] <exec> └─ 13Hubble witnesses massive comet-like object pollute atmosphere of a white dwarf
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[06:47:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Marathon Pharmaceuticals is Part of the Problem - http://sylnt.us - patent-trolls-by-another-name
[06:48:53] <chromas> Which problem?
[06:50:39] <chromas> "Marathon Pharmaceuticals is Partially Responsible for Trucks of Peace"
[06:50:58] <chromas> "Marathon Pharmaceuticals is Partially Responsible for PulseAudio"
[06:56:36] * Deucalion has a horrible flashback to early PulseAudio days.... which coincided with the ext4 empty file bug.... thankfully those seem to have gone away now.
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[07:36:08] <exec> welcome crutchy: Melbourne VIC, 19°C/66°F, 6:36 pm AEDT, Sunday, 12 February 2017
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[08:06:54] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 4°C/39°F, 12:06 am GMT-8, Sunday, 12 February 2017
[08:35:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Uber Leads to Divorce - http://sylnt.us - can't-get-caught-if-you're-not-cheating
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[10:00:26] <dyingtolive> i guess cmn didn't take my advice on the pirewall?
[10:03:07] <dyingtolive> ugh. greek yogurt tastes like shit without anything else in it.
[10:16:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Recent News Dispatches From Standing Rock (DAPL) - http://sylnt.us - rebellion
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[11:46:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Xiaomi to Build its Own "Pinecone" Smartphone SoCs - http://sylnt.us - will-they-smell-fresh?
[12:10:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:10:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3196
[12:11:27] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:11:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3197
[12:11:37] <cmn32480> computers--
[12:11:37] <Bender> karma - computers: -2
[12:12:17] <cmn32480> ~gDAY TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:19] * exec single-candidly rubs a powerpoint presentation of social justice on TheMightyBuzzard
[12:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey! you got da bot back!
[12:17:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[12:17:07] * exec fanatically pilfers a raid 6 volume of Windows ME from cmn32480
[12:17:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, close one
[12:17:29] <cmn32480> nah
[12:17:35] <cmn32480> Id rather WinMe than SJ
[12:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm undecided
[12:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i believe i'd rather have SJWs around than have to use ME
[12:18:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> so we both win!
[12:18:46] <cmn32480> lol
[12:18:51] <cmn32480> nope
[12:18:52] <cmn32480> I win
[12:19:03] <cmn32480> he took WinME from me adn gave you SJW
[12:19:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yup. you win.
[12:19:26] <cmn32480> the verb, apparently matters
[12:19:37] <cmn32480> we shall need to be more careful in the future
[12:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> but wtf were you doing with winme? couldn't you just have bestiality porn like normal people?
[12:20:14] <cmn32480> now if I can figure out why I have a server not talking to the firewall... that'd be fucking awesome
[12:20:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i gots stuff to do as well. gotta write up the site update meta story.
[12:22:07] <cmn32480> this siut will drive me to drink, I think
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[13:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> broke the firewall again?
[13:02:59] <cmn32480> yep
[13:04:13] <cmn32480> was dropping RDP connections after 2 min
[13:04:15] <cmn32480> not goods
[13:04:15] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:04:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3198
[13:04:22] <Bytram> !uid
[13:04:22] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6495, owned by nftbeldh
[13:04:25] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[13:04:38] <cmn32480> I'm working on it
[13:04:41] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:04:58] <Bytram> sorry to hear about losing the FW config last night -- that stinks
[13:05:07] <cmn32480> complete factory default
[13:05:10] <cmn32480> it was unreal
[13:05:16] <cmn32480> never seen that shit happen before
[13:05:18] <Bytram> *** O U C H ***
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[13:06:13] <cmn32480> but I did add a port forward so that I can get to the box exec lives on from anywhere
[13:06:45] <Bytram> well, atleast there was some good that came of it
[13:08:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: might want to hold off on the site upgrade atm...
[13:08:22] <Bytram> ~blame
[13:08:23] * exec points at Bytram
[13:08:28] <Bytram> yep
[13:08:36] <Bytram> using this url: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:08:39] <exec> └─ 1320170202a - test story for submtting indented comments - Dev.SN
[13:08:43] <Bytram> as user: bytram
[13:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
[13:08:48] * exec points at Bytram
[13:09:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> what about it?
[13:09:24] <Bytram> looking at comments that are at or above your threshold, e.g.: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:09:26] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN Comments | 20170202a - test story for submtting indented comments
[13:09:52] <Bytram> expand/collapse comment or tree work on both parent and child comments
[13:10:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> again, what about it?
[13:10:50] <Bytram> but, if a top-level comment is below the threshold... expand tree does not seem to work; scroll down to Comment_0001
[13:11:14] <Bytram> it just toggles the visibility of the show/hide comment chevron
[13:11:36] <Bytram> don't get to actually see the comment itself
[13:11:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[13:12:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> show me a link where that's relevant and tell me precisely where to click.
[13:12:25] <Bytram> expand/collapse tree, of a single top-level comment that is below one's threshold does not seem to work...
[13:12:35] <Bytram> link to story w/ threshold: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:12:38] <exec> └─ 1320170202a - test story for submtting indented comments - Dev.SN
[13:12:45] <Bytram> scroll down to "Comment_0001"
[13:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> be specific. like you're talking to a child. i have a nasty head cold.
[13:13:01] <Bytram> click on this link: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:13:03] <exec> └─ 1320170202a - test story for submtting indented comments - Dev.SN
[13:13:16] <Bytram> (2) scroll to the bottom of the page
[13:13:37] <Bytram> (3) see the (abbreviated) comment with the title "Comment_0001"
[13:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i think i see what you're saying. the individual comment chevron takes precedence over the whole tree chevron. that is by design.
[13:14:04] <Bytram> (4) expand/hide *single* comment works
[13:14:14] <Bytram> (5) expand/hide comment tree does not seem to work
[13:14:23] <Bytram> not quite
[13:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> when a comment is collapsed by the individual chevron, the whole tree chevron is not "supposed to" work
[13:15:00] <Bytram> I would expect that when I am presented an "Expand Tree" chevron, on an unexandedd comment, that it would still expand that comment, at least
[13:15:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[13:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> we can add it to the wishlist but that's known and by design behavior
[13:15:48] <Bytram> then I would kindly submit that we should not show the expand/collapse tree control when it doesn't work.
[13:15:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 640 Pilot Whales Run Aground on New Zealand Beach - http://sylnt.us - bing-maps-users?
[13:16:11] <Bytram> btw, it DOES do the right thing on top-level comments that do have a reply
[13:16:31] <Bytram> hmmm, just a sec...
[13:16:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it acts exactly the same.
[13:17:11] <cmn32480> Windows updates.. Stage 91 of 91
[13:17:21] <cmn32480> fuck I hate Windows sometwimes
[13:17:24] * Bytram wishes luck to cmn32480
[13:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah, thanks for reminding me. gotta run check on the updates i had going last night on da roomie's boy's computer
[13:18:09] <cmn32480> hey.. taht box had been up for 173 days and 2 hours...
[13:18:16] <cmn32480> that's gotta be some kind of Windows record
[13:18:32] <Bytram> so, on a sub-threshold comment, expand comment tree does not expand any of its children?
[13:18:39] <Bytram> see: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:18:42] <exec> └─ 1320170202a - test story for submtting indented comments - Dev.SN
[13:18:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[13:18:56] <Bytram> scrtoll down to: "2nd reply to first TLC "
[13:18:58] * cmn32480 gratefully accepts the wishes of luck
[13:19:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it's not supposed to
[13:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's just supposed to show them in either a collapsed or expanded state based on their score
[13:19:44] <Bytram> urhhh
[13:20:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no "if" statement in css. there are limits to precisely what you can do.
[13:21:48] <Bytram> Well, *I* understand css has limitations -- our community, some newbie coming to our site, may not, and probably does not care... so we need to be EXTRA cleart of what the controls do, and WHY so they can come up with a clear mental model of what will happen when they use them.
[13:22:02] <cmn32480> bytram - in my limited looking at this, it does work exactly as I woudl expect
[13:22:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't be done.
[13:22:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean we could put a paragraph beside each button but it would make for really large title bars.
[13:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> and new folks aren't going to go looking for an explanation of how the UI works, they're just going to start using it.
[13:23:18] <Bytram> let me try again, I'm not so much arguing against the behavior, per se, but we need to clearly document in the FAQ, or wherever it is documented atm
[13:23:38] <Bytram> yup, and atm there are tool tips explaining hide/show comment/tree
[13:23:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not documented at all.
[13:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> are there?
[13:24:21] <Bytram> those tool tips gave me the impression I just described and lead to my confusion; IOW it mislead *me*
[13:24:25] <Bytram> yes, there are!
[13:24:36] <Bytram> =)
[13:25:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're easy to mislead though, man. you wouldn't be any good at QA if you weren't.
[13:25:52] <Bytram> as far as I can remember, show/hide comment has worked in all cases I tried it; show hide comment TREE, behaves differently, but is not presented as if it were different.
[13:26:10] * Bytram wonders if that was supposed to be a complement? =)
[13:26:13] <cmn32480> 2nd reboot complete....
[13:26:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, it technically does what it says.
[13:26:24] * cmn32480 hopes this ain't a loop
[13:26:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a statement o fact. QA guys necessarily think different than the guys doing the initial creating or they wouldn't be good at their jobs.
[13:27:27] <Bytram> right, it is my job to be a user coming at this fresh, without pre-conceived ideas about what it is supposed to do or why
[13:27:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, how bout this... tell me what exactly you're looking for there.
[13:27:39] <Bytram> I just follow the instructions on the tin and see if it does what it is supposed to
[13:28:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i don't know how better to explain the tree hider button in a tooltip and nobody is gonna read the faq
[13:28:16] <Bytram> clarification on tool tips, and we definitely need an example in the faq or someplace
[13:28:52] * Bytram tries to think
[13:28:56] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:28:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3199
[13:29:10] <Bytram> okay, someone else go ahead and get the 3200
[13:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ is right
[13:29:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3200
[13:30:53] <Bytram> ding ding ding! nice round number!
[13:31:17] <Bytram> and only 70 more until we reach a famous computer display moniker
[13:31:28] <cmn32480> reboot 3...
[13:31:31] <cmn32480> shit...
[13:31:39] * Bytram crosses fingers
[13:31:47] <Bytram> ugh, too late?
[13:32:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:32:28] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 313
[13:32:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hold on....
[13:32:55] <Bytram> I just noticed... the chvrons point in different directions on 'hidden' commentw
[13:33:12] <Bytram> single points down; tree points up
[13:33:33] <cmn32480> correct
[13:33:42] <cmn32480> because you can still hide the tree below the hidden comment
[13:33:47] <Bytram> that does not make sense to me
[13:33:54] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[13:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> what chromas said
[13:34:02] <cmn32480> HEY!
[13:34:09] <cmn32480> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[13:34:09] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with vegemite
[13:34:10] <Bytram> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[13:34:10] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with a wild penis
[13:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> see? i need nicotine!
[13:34:46] <cmn32480> you go smoke.. I'll hold Bytram's hand for a few minutes
[13:34:47] <Bytram> and I need to get myself ready for work... I've got a long day, will need to scrape car windows, and their predicting snow this pm through tomorrow
[13:34:58] <Bytram> ewwww COOTIES!
[13:35:10] <cmn32480> your cooties are contagious? ewww
[13:35:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got a lot of writing to do still too.
[13:35:16] <Bytram> big snow storm tomorrow
[13:35:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:35:27] * Bytram checks his work sched
[13:35:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> not going to NCommander this bitch but it takes some splaining.
[13:35:55] <Bytram> I have this coming wed and thurs off and then next sunday
[13:36:32] <Bytram> nod nod -- in fact, we could use this story as a reference if anyone else is like me and wants to know what it is doing and why
[13:36:34] <Bytram> ;)
[13:36:43] * Bytram is not entirely kidding
[13:37:44] <cmn32480> and this is why we don't leave windows up for 6 months....
[13:38:18] <Bytram> hmmm, test permutations to explicitize the permutations are becoming clearer to me... gonna take a shower and ponder some more
[13:38:23] <Bytram> cmn32480: what happened
[13:38:24] <Bytram> ?
[13:38:38] <cmn32480> still applying updates... after the 3rd reboot
[13:38:42] <cmn32480> still on stage 91 of 91
[13:38:52] <cmn32480> so I is scerred that I have a bad update in there sompleace
[13:39:02] <Bytram> oh! I thought it had up and died on you or somesuch.
[13:39:25] <Bytram> ahh, so you're thinking it has not died... yet. ??
[13:40:03] * Bytram suggests a pre-emptive search on the KB number
[13:40:19] <Bytram> okay, really gtg... biab
[13:40:21] <Bytram> afk
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[13:42:31] * cmn32480 does the happy dance
[13:42:42] <cmn32480> 173 days worth of updates...
[13:42:47] <cmn32480> 3 reboots
[13:42:56] <cmn32480> and that bitch STILL Comes back to a login prompt!
[13:44:32] <paulej72> morning all
[13:45:55] <cmn32480> SERVER CAME BACK!!!!!
[13:46:01] * cmn32480 continues the happy dance
[13:46:13] <cmn32480> ~gday paulej72
[13:46:15] * exec single-handedly cracks open a finger of problematic principals for paulej72
[13:51:23] <Bytram> cmn32480: BACK IT UP RIGHT NOW!
[13:51:30] <Bytram> ~gday paulej72
[13:51:32] * exec skeptically spews a dumpster of jesus juice on paulej72
[13:51:37] <cmn32480> that'll happen automatically tonight
[13:51:50] <cmn32480> and I already pulled a copy of the firewall config last night
[13:51:54] <Bytram> in that case... DON'T DO ANYTHING! =)
[13:53:05] <cmn32480> lol
[13:55:29] <paulej72> show hide tree shows or hides the entire tree not the indidual comment in the tree
[14:07:54] <paulej72> Bytram: I would sugeest looking how c0llapings wors on slashdot. I think our mthind is better than theirs
[14:26:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i do want another button that expands/collapses every comment below whichever comment you click it on. that's a wish list item though not a blocker.
[14:47:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Solve Security-Enhanced Linux Issues With Ease Using SELinux Alert Browser - http://sylnt.us - easier-troubleshooting
[14:57:06] <Bytram> paulej72: will do that later tonight... have not been to that site in over a year.
[14:58:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: (and paulej72) I second that request to expand/collapse *ALL* child comments and also agree it is not a blocker for this release.
[14:58:18] <Bytram> ok, gtg.
[14:58:27] <Bytram> hope to check in later tonight
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[14:58:31] <exec> welcome janrinok: Paimpol, France, 4°C/39°F, 3:58 pm GMT+1, Sunday, 12 February 2017
[15:24:59] <Fnord666> #submit https://krebsonsecurity.com
[15:24:59] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[15:25:02] <exec> └─ 13House Passes Long-Sought Email Privacy Bill — Krebs on Security
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[16:16:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Beyoncé Sued for Over $20 Million by Slain YouTube Star's Estate for Sampling a Song - http://sylnt.us - diamonds^W-copyrights-are-forever
[16:32:53] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - Congratulations. You NCommandered the fuck out of that release notes story.
[16:33:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard, Bytram on futher thought, a html/css solution is not possible as it would override any individual collapse
[16:34:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas okay, i'm sure we can figure something out.
[16:34:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, you was warned but you still had to give me crap...
[16:41:48] <cmn32480> and you deserve every little bit of shit we give you. it keeps you humble
[16:43:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> the thing is, that post was still brief compared to what it could have been. i only went with the necessary info.
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[17:38:59] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I can do it wit a tiny bit of jquery code
[17:39:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> bite yer tongue
[17:46:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Reforming Economics - http://sylnt.us - sir-can-do-better
[18:14:22] <cmn32480> Son of a bitch...
[18:14:23] <cmn32480> Configuration of Exchange 2016 Edge Transport Server is based on Exchange Management Shell. Just Like Exchange 2013, Exchange 2016 Edge Transport Server do not have Graphical interface available.
[18:14:32] * cmn32480 doesn't WANNA learn the command line!
[18:15:13] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[18:15:15] * exec democratically internalizes a TCP stream of companionship in janrinok
[18:24:38] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[18:24:40] * exec cohesively throws an armpit of caffeine at cmn32480
[18:24:54] <janrinok> just been in with S for a few minutes. She is good today
[18:25:03] <cmn32480> excellnt!
[18:25:13] <cmn32480> glad to hear it
[18:26:02] <janrinok> you having a good day?
[18:26:15] <cmn32480> marginally
[18:26:21] <cmn32480> systems upgrade is still ongoing
[18:26:28] <cmn32480> last night was wuite the PITA
[18:26:39] <cmn32480> firewall decided to factory default itself on reboot
[18:26:42] <cmn32480> that was a blast
[18:28:11] <janrinok> lol
[18:28:40] <cmn32480> had to go to the office... un screw it up
[18:30:08] <janrinok> that was not nice for a weekend
[18:32:30] <cmn32480> no
[18:32:43] <paulej72> cmn32480: did someone forget to save the firewall's config to the startup config
[18:32:55] <cmn32480> no
[18:33:03] <cmn32480> same firewall I had for the last 6 years...
[18:33:09] <cmn32480> I assure you it has been rebooted since then
[18:33:28] <cmn32480> but it moved the firewall replacement project up the priority list pretty damn quick
[18:52:42] <janrinok> dyingtolive, ping?
[19:15:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Curious Case of Cockroach Magnetization - http://sylnt.us - show-me-the-way-to-go-home
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[21:30:23] <charon_> hey TheMightyBuzzard: great write up on the upgrade, cheers
[21:30:28] <charon_> TheMightyBuzzard++
[21:30:28] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 284
[21:32:55] <dyingtolive> janrinok: i'm around now.
[21:34:31] <dyingtolive> oh, he left.
[21:37:26] <charon_> hiyo dyingtolive, care to /j #editorial
[22:06:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ACLU Claims: TSA's Behavioral Detection Program is Useless, Biased, and Based on Junk Science - http://sylnt.us - come-fly-the-discriminatory-skies
[22:41:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.sciencealert.com
[22:41:02] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[22:41:03] <exec> └─ 13Hubble just saw a star rip apart the 'big brother' of Halley's comet - ScienceAlert
[22:41:27] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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