#Soylent | Logs for 2018-08-02
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[00:32:42] <mrpg> Let's build a wall!
[00:32:44] <mrpg> https://www.youtube.com
[00:32:52] <mrpg> Stop those giants!
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[01:01:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Black Hole Hologram" in a Graphene Flake - http://sylnt.us - edgy!
[02:42:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Introduces Tools to Help Users Spend Less Time on Social Media - http://sylnt.us - social-media-mediation
[04:11:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - You Can Now Buy a 1,000-Horsepower Corvette From Your Chevy Dealership - http://sylnt.us - joining-mustangs-in-the-crowd
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[05:42:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Bangs the 'Devices as a Service' Drum Ahead of Windows 7's End-of-Support Deadline - http://sylnt.us - MS-DaaS
[06:10:13] <FatPhil> #submit https://craft.co
[06:10:14] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[06:10:39] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[06:10:40] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[07:12:44] <boru> That mozilla article sure did start a fire. That said, I'd really like to find a new web browser.
[07:13:12] <chromas> There aren't any
[07:13:13] <boru> But to get some approximation of extensions like umatrix, ublock origin, and pentadactyl seems impossible.
[07:13:20] <boru> Yeah, seems to be the case.
[07:13:48] <chromas> there's waterfox. not sure how it compares to fail moon
[07:14:13] <boru> I think it just maintains compatibility with xul.
[07:14:31] <boru> But now all of the XPI maintainers have moved on to web extensions, there doesn't seem to be much point.
[07:15:16] <boru> I'm using PM at the moment, but I'd like to use seamonkey. Alas, the severe deficit of plugins keeps me with PM.
[07:15:44] <boru> I used Netscape/MIS before it became seamonkey, and before firefox came out.
[07:16:19] <boru> It seems that, much like the rest of the web ecosystem, browsers have become these bloated, unusable monstrosities.
[07:17:33] <chromas> Operating systems and editors already got that treatment. We had to move on
[07:17:34] <FatPhil> I'm using as much w3m as ever!
[07:17:36] <chromas> I mean they had to move on
[07:17:59] <boru> w3m is a great remote shell, with basic browser functionality.
[07:17:59] * chromas whistles nonchalantly with shifty eyes
[07:18:01] <FatPhil> I think browsers got it first, as they were working in the "new shiny" world
[07:18:23] <boru> It has an awful security track record, and is now unmaintained.
[07:18:58] <chromas> I thought it was a window manager
[07:19:01] <boru> Anyway, I wonder what sort of donkey work would be involved in writing a browser that basically had the functionality of those plugins above built in.
[07:19:44] <FatPhil> I prefer a plugin architecture, personally
[07:19:46] <chromas> Whatever it takes to add webextension support
[07:20:13] <boru> Well, I'd provide that, as well, but I'd start as I mean to go on i.e. "This is not mozilla or google."
[07:20:24] <chromas> Edge has plugin support.
[07:20:29] <boru> Yeah, seems like web extension support would be necessary.
[07:20:42] <boru> You'd need to tap into that ecosystem, unfortunately.
[07:20:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Links Low Blood Levels of Acetylcarnitine to Depression - http://sylnt.us - no-comment
[07:20:56] <boru> Unless you build these features in as things you can enable or disable as you please.
[07:21:27] <boru> The problem is just java script and all of that shite.
[07:21:36] <boru> ALright, I've already put myself off such a project.
[07:22:18] <chromas> That's probably why there's only three modern browsers in the world. It's too complimicated and nobody wants to maintain it
[07:22:47] <chromas> (unless they get moneys for it)
[07:22:53] <boru> Yeah, I think you'd need to go market with a big bang browser or nothing.
[07:23:03] <boru> Releasing a half finished alpha out there would be pointless.
[07:24:50] <chromas> opera--
[07:24:50] <Bender> karma - opera: 0
[07:25:13] <boru> That said, I do feel like the three bloated monstrosities out there are partially responsible for making it seem like such a big deal.
[07:25:25] <boru> I feel like those code bases have just grown organically, too many cooks, and all that.
[07:25:59] <chromas> You know what would make the web a better place? If browsers started supporting other script languages!
[07:26:26] <chromas> Imagine <script language="python">...</script><script langauge="php">...</script>
[07:26:50] * chromas nods in amazement as his and/or her and/or other genious
[07:27:33] <boru> There is a circle of Hell reserved for you.
[07:29:00] <chromas> There's no law says we have to stick to the worst language ever devised by a homophobic shitlord
[07:31:45] <FatPhil> js wasn't a bad language
[07:31:53] <FatPhil> it's a lot cleaner language than most
[07:32:33] <chromas> I s'pose. It's terrible now though, much like the browsers who host it
[07:33:06] <FatPhil> I make no comment about how it hooks into the DOM, that's a library issue not a language issue.
[07:33:54] * chromas tries Otter Browser
[07:34:12] <FatPhil> the fact that eleventyeleven percent of people don't use its DOM access directly, but use some other helper library tells you that that interface wasn't very friendly.
[07:34:13] <chromas> Still has the classic JS options for movign/resizing windows and other things that shouldn't exist
[07:40:19] <boru> Heh, I just read that windows-as-a-service article.
[07:40:28] <boru> That's going to be hilarious.
[07:40:42] SoyGuest37966 is now known as SemperOSS
[07:41:28] <chromas> I thought everyone was switching to tablets and stuff. Everyone who's still using a desktop or laptop doesn't want daas
[07:45:42] <boru> Doesn't seem like they'll be getting a choice.
[07:45:54] <boru> It'll be interesting to see where gaming goes with that.
[07:46:46] <chromas> Yeah. Windows is the only viable gaming platform for PC. Maybe Macossex. Definitely not Linux
[07:47:37] <chromas> If I have two screens running in Windows, I can play a game on one screen and it works fine. In Linux it plays on one screen at 2fps
[07:48:13] <chromas> Perhaps Wayland will come on my rescue
[07:48:15] <chromas> or to it
[07:52:20] <boru> I doubt it.
[07:52:33] <boru> I don't think windows as the primary gaming OS is going to change any time soon.
[07:52:46] <boru> Not unless it doesn't sell this shite-as-a-service lark.
[07:53:15] <chromas> Maybe there'll be an uptick of buttpirated windows
[07:53:41] <chromas> I don't think they really do anything about illegitimate windows anymore
[07:59:14] <boru> Yeah, it cements their place in the market with user reliance.
[07:59:45] <chromas> Worked for Adobe I guess
[08:00:00] <chromas> Plus buying their competition
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[08:52:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Brain Game Doesn't Offer Brain Gain - http://sylnt.us - pinky
[10:31:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TSA Considering Eliminating Screening at Smaller Airports - http://sylnt.us - save-the-theatrics
[10:59:17] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:59:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4208
[10:59:39] <Bytram> whereto? http://rss.computerworld.com
[10:59:40] <upstart> ^ 03Android file transfer: How to move data between your phone and computer | Computerworld ( https://www.computerworld.com )
[11:02:45] <Bytram> ^^ thanks, but no thanks. How can I sync files between two folders? Just let me mount the phone's storage as a drive on windows and let me have all the CMD goodness I am used to!
[11:04:12] <Bytram> That, and let me copy trees of HTML files to external storage and be able to navigate between them. Make it a developer option or whatever -- it's *my* phone, yanno? I can do it on internal storage, why not external (i.e. micro SD card)
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[11:10:38] AndyTheAbsurd is now known as AppleInc
[11:10:58] <AppleInc> What would you want to be able to put a micro SD card in your phone for?
[11:11:08] <AppleInc> Just store all your stuff in iCloud(tm)!
[11:11:16] AppleInc is now known as AndyTheAbsurd
[11:11:42] <Bytram> cloud == SomebodyElse'sComputer
[11:12:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> the only good thing about "cloud" is "Somebody else's computer" also means "somebody else's responsibility to do backups"
[11:12:37] <Bytram> an, if they fail to do so, *I* am the one who gets the hit. Yay?
[11:13:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> other than that, it's shit for speed of access, shit for finding things, shit for security, etc. etc. etc.
[11:13:27] <Bytram> But other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
[11:14:21] <Bytram> Oh, and the cloud is not a big help when it comes to bandwidth caps
[11:15:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> true...fortunately for me, I don't have any of those (that I'm aware of) at the moment.
[11:16:57] * Bytram tethers his phone... is *quite* aware of his cap
[11:17:09] <Bytram> "My cap it has three corners..."
[11:17:14] <Bytram> =)
[11:17:22] <Bytram> #g "My cap it has three corners..."
[11:17:22] <MrPlow> sorry, there were no results for your query
[11:17:26] <Bytram> #g "My cap it has three corners"
[11:17:27] <MrPlow> sorry, there were no results for your query
[11:17:32] <Bytram> #g "My hat it has three corners"
[11:17:33] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "Aug 20, 2013 ... taken from barneys musical scrapbook."
[11:17:34] <upstart> ^ 03BARNEY MY HAT IT HAS THREE CORNERS - YouTube
[11:17:58] <Bytram> #g mein hut es hat drei ecken
[11:17:58] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "27. Jan. 2015 ... Mein Hut, der hat drei Ecken - drei Ecken hat mein Hut... Könnt Ihr schon Papierhüte basteln? Viel Spaß dabei! ▻ Kanal-Abo: ..."
[11:17:59] <upstart> ^ 03Mein Hut, der hat drei Ecken - Kinderlieder zum Mitsingen | Sing Kinderlieder - YouTube
[11:18:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> #yt captain dan scurvy crew broadside
[11:18:09] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[11:18:10] <upstart> ^ 03Captain Dan & the Scurvy Crew - Broadside - YouTube
[11:18:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> I prefer the bit from ^ this
[11:18:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> "each notch on my tri-corner cap / is a ship that I've turned into scrap"
[11:18:57] <Bytram> thanks for that... saved my cap!
[11:18:58] <Bytram> ;)
[11:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:20:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4209
[11:20:44] <Bytram> Ugh... Current dewpoint: 73°F (23°C)
[11:21:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's an amusing rap otherwise (assuming you're the kind of person who can enjoy rap whatsoever), and the video is also quite good, so if you're going to not be worried about data caps, give it a watch/listen.
[11:22:02] <Bytram> rap is really not my thing... I can endure it at times, but I would generally prefer to not have to do that.
[11:22:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> can't say I blame you on that
[11:22:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> there's a lot of music out there that I'd prefer not to have to endure
[11:23:27] <Bytram> there's a wide range of music I enjoy, but there's also a few that I could well do without.
[11:23:43] * AndyTheAbsurd goes back to trying to figure out why cache isn't breaking as expected on this Django project
[11:24:24] <Bytram> I like classical (no opera), classic rock, an occasional hard rock song, bluegrass (no country), easy listening, some big band, ...
[11:24:42] * Bytram rummages around for a bigger hammer
[11:29:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> "Most common Python objects can be pickled; refer to the Python documentation for more information about pickling."
[11:29:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> does that mean Ethanol-Fueled is a Python object?
[11:30:28] <Bytram> I dunno, but beware! Once a pickle, never again a cucumber!
[11:32:31] <Bytram> break time... afk... I may return.
[12:02:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Airplane Crashes Becoming More Survivable - http://sylnt.us - science-of-crashworthiness
[12:44:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://www.sciencealert.com
[12:44:45] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[12:45:11] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[12:45:11] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[12:48:17] <chromas> Pickling is just Python for serializing, right?
[12:49:07] <chromas> PySpeak
[13:31:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Observations of Supermassive Black Hole Match General Relativity Predictions - http://sylnt.us - one-way-spaghettification
[13:45:24] <chromas> Is the whole world on fire? Maybe that's where global warming comes from.
[14:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that's cow farts. they're also flammable though, so who knows.
[14:37:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> hmmmm
[14:37:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm not sure that I like the idea of obversations supporting general relativity
[14:38:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> isn't general relativity the thing that tells us we can't go faster than light?
[14:38:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> if it is, I don't like it. I want reasonable travel time to other stars, dammit.
[14:38:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> and if I can't have that, I want cryogenics so I can have myself frozen and wake up when my starship gets somewhere interesting.
[14:46:24] <chromas> You can go faster than light; it just appears you can't because you're going faster than the photons trying to bounce off you
[14:46:57] <chromas> They're running away from the sun, chasing after you but you're too fast, so they never get there
[14:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> speak for yourself. i can barely manage a mosey most days.
[15:12:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Books Found in Dumpster Belonged to Thomas Jefferson - http://sylnt.us - ex-libris
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[16:58:37] <pinchy> go go gadget brazeel https://www.theguardian.com
[16:58:38] <upstart> ^ 03World's most prestigious maths medal is stolen minutes after professor wins it | World news | The Guardian
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[18:12:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Planet Nine... or Giant Planet Five? - http://sylnt.us - Number-Nine,-Number-Nine,-Number-Nine...
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[19:53:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Reunited with LEDE, OpenWrt Releases Stable 18.06 Version - http://sylnt.us - I-see-where-this-is-LEDEing
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[21:31:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rome, Italy, Steps Towards FOSS Desktops - http://sylnt.us - ...wants-to-be-free
[22:05:46] <Bytram> #g stock quote AAPL
[22:05:47] <MrPlow> https://finance.yahoo.com - "View the basic AAPL stock chart on Yahoo Finance. Change the ... NasdaqGS - NasdaqGS Real Time Price. ... Trade prices are not sourced from all markets. All."
[22:05:48] <upstart> ^ 03AAPL : Summary for Apple Inc. - Yahoo Finance
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[23:05:37] <Bytram> #g AAPL
[23:05:37] <MrPlow> https://finance.yahoo.com - "View the basic AAPL stock chart on Yahoo Finance. Change the date range, chart type and compare Apple Inc. against other companies."
[23:05:38] <upstart> ^ 03AAPL : Summary for Apple Inc. - Yahoo Finance
[23:12:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Former Tesla Employee's Lawyer Claims His Client Was Effectively "SWATted" - http://sylnt.us - GigaGate
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[23:14:47] <mrpg> .
[23:15:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ..
[23:16:13] <upstart> ...
[23:16:27] <MrPlow> ....
[23:16:43] <mrpg> Text poker
[23:16:45] <exec> .....
[23:17:01] <Bender> ......
[23:17:22] <Aphrodite> .......
[23:17:27] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[23:17:42] * Bytram ROFLs
[23:17:43] * Aphrodite cockles
[23:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm easily amused
[23:20:35] <mrpg> I had strip poker as a child on the C64, but I had no idea how to play that. And now that I do, I don't have a C64 :-(
[23:21:08] * chromas gives mrpg VICE
[23:21:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, i just realized it's cigarette time
[23:22:24] <Bytram> ~arthur http://www.sciencemag.org
[23:22:27] <exec> 829 stories loaded
[23:22:28] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Updated: Deadly Ebola surfaces in Africa’s center yet again"
[23:22:29] * chromas flushes the river and ducks to hold a straight.
[23:22:32] <chromas> I'm pokering!
[23:22:48] <Bytram> So YOU are the one who wrote systemd??!!?!
[23:22:54] <mrpg> oh vice I had that in windows xp maybe.
[23:22:58] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[23:23:04] <exec> 828 stories loaded
[23:23:35] <chromas> Not to be confused with the site/company, which is awful.
[23:24:03] <Bytram> ~arthur 2ea150
[23:24:07] <exec> 828 stories loaded
[23:24:07] <exec> attempting to submit story: "2001: A Space Odyssey will get Imax release"
[23:24:22] <chromas> Imax is still around?
[23:24:28] <Bytram> yup!
[23:24:38] <exec> error: something went wrong with your submission - maybe try again in a minute
[23:25:04] <chromas> rehash isn't great at useful error messages
[23:27:15] <Bytram> Huh? Darn!!!!
[23:27:18] <Bytram> "To celebrate the film's 50th anniversary, Warner Bros. will bring it to Imax theaters in New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Toronto, for a week in August, The Hollywood Reporter reported Wednesday."
[23:27:49] <Bytram> Only FOUR theaters? Bummer!
[23:33:57] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.sciencedaily.com
[23:34:00] <exec> 828 stories loaded
[23:34:00] <exec> attempting to submit story: "A kernel of promise in popcorn-powered robots"
[23:34:31] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[23:34:37] <exec> 827 stories loaded
[23:35:04] <mrpg> Enough for today.
[23:35:38] <mrpg> Now to do some math review:
[23:35:40] <mrpg> https://www.youtube.com
[23:35:42] <upstart> ^ 03How to Solve Quadratic Equations by Factoring (NancyPi) - YouTube
[23:36:05] <mrpg> Came for the math, stayed for the math.
[23:36:18] <Bytram> ax^2 +bxy +cy^2
[23:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuuuuuck that. i hated quadratic equations. math shouldn't be guess and test.
[23:37:23] <Bytram> Oh? Quadratics was *easy* -- it's when you get to solving integrals that the guessing *really* comes in!
[23:37:32] <mrpg> I'm doing optimization now with derivatives.
[23:37:42] <Bytram> noice!
[23:37:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't say it was hard. it just offends my sensibilities.
[23:37:50] <Bytram> triggered!
[23:37:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[23:38:07] <Bytram> And whadaya mean by guessing?
[23:38:20] <mrpg> Don't guess, equal to zero and find X.
[23:38:27] <Bytram> unless we are talking about different things?
[23:38:35] <Bytram> mrpg++ 'zactly!
[23:38:35] <Bender> karma - mrpg: 8
[23:38:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean i always solved them by looking, seeing the solution, and writing the solution down.
[23:39:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> is there another way?
[23:39:47] <mrpg> wait where am I ? wrong channel.
[23:39:49] <Bytram> was kinda like solving linear equations... what factors of these number when multiplied give me this, and when added give me that?
[23:40:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i always skipped the solving steps on those too. it was a waste of ink.
[23:41:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> once in a while i'd get one wrong but that was usually because someone with boobs distracted me.
[23:42:08] <mrpg> my HS math teacher was pretty, I flunked cause of her.
[23:42:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine wasn't but my biology teacher... OMFG... came to school for halloween in a tinkerbell costume every bit as short and tight as the one in the cartoon.
[23:43:24] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:43:28] <exec> 827 stories loaded
[23:43:28] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Amazon, ditch us? But they can't do without us"
[23:43:35] <hopdevil> im sure she loved the attention
[23:43:48] <Bytram> was she a blonde, too?
[23:43:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> wig for the day
[23:43:59] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[23:44:05] <exec> 827 stories loaded
[23:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if she didn't want the attention she shouldn't have worn a skirt that barely covered her ass cheeks in front of a bunch of sixteen year old guys.
[23:45:37] <Bytram> Yeah, had a teacher-in-training in high school english... was hard to memorize Shakespeare when she was teaching.
[23:46:04] <Bytram> To be or not to be, that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to...
[23:46:27] * TheMightyBuzzard feels deeply cheated that hot female teachers didn't start sleeping with their students until he was out of school
[23:47:01] <Bytram> ~arthur https://act.eff.org
[23:47:05] <exec> 827 stories loaded
[23:47:05] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Another Expansion of Copyright"
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[23:47:35] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[23:47:41] <exec> 826 stories loaded
[23:47:56] <chromas> Does it reload all the stories every time it submits?
[23:48:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly
[23:48:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy wrote it and he's just as lazy as us
[23:49:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i haven't seen a subs queue nagger on the site in quite a while
[23:51:08] <chromas> Affirmative action
[23:51:11] <chromas> Need more naggers
[23:52:29] * Bytram needs more dinners, or at least one... biab
[23:52:32] <Bytram> afk