#Soylent | Logs for 2018-08-04
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[00:31:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Weight Loss Produces Remission of Type 2 Diabetes in Some Patients - http://sylnt.us - good-to-know
[00:32:57] <chromas> Wasn't it because of fat choking out the squeedlyspooge?
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[01:22:39] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v chromas] by Aphrodite
[01:22:43] <exec> welcome chromas: Walla Walla, WA, 28°C/82°F, 6:22 pm PDT, Friday, 3 August 2018
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[01:30:49] <chromas> https://bgr.com
[01:30:50] <upstart> ^ 03Poop-tained McDonald’s salads have now made 395 people in 15 states sick – BGR
[01:30:53] <chromas> Bring back the poop map!
[02:37:10] <chromas> https://blog.adafruit.com
[02:37:11] <upstart> ^ 03D&D Hexagonal Mini Dice Box #3DThursday #3DPrinting « Adafruit Industries – Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
[02:37:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's cool but not as cool as my dice box
[02:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's a pneumatic bank tube that i accidentally stole one day
[02:38:42] <chromas> Did you set up a transport tube for it?
[02:38:50] <chromas> Press button, receive dice
[02:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, but it's clear, sturdy, and holds shitloads of dice and lucky totems.
[02:39:22] <chromas> brb going banking
[02:39:27] * TheMightyBuzzard lurves his new sig
[02:39:32] * chromas doesn't have any dice
[02:39:37] <chromas> is it the trump sign one?
[02:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, check the FCC story. should be a couple of my comments in there.
[02:40:14] <chromas> ooh, a newere one
[02:42:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that's enough. got distracted arguing and mocking and let bedtime sneak past.
[02:43:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight johnboy
[02:43:14] * exec sneakily cracks open a trainload of cubic splines for johnboy
[02:43:17] <chromas> At least you'll goto bed happy
[02:43:26] <chromas> ooh, curvy
[02:43:40] <chromas> plot twist: they're all straight line segments
[03:02:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Glass Trial Helps Autistic Children Decode Facial Expressions - http://sylnt.us - too-late-for-me-I'm-35
[03:10:33] <chromas> Autism Peeks
[04:13:46] <chromas> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[04:13:46] <upstart> ^ 03Click this link and you can get The Register banned in China • The Register
[04:14:25] <chromas> teal dear, apparently Xi Jinping looks like Poo bear
[04:27:45] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[04:27:46] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[04:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid brain. won't shut up so i can sleep.
[04:28:28] <chromas> Put some pizza in it
[04:28:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should chemically beat it into submission with beer
[04:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt shut up brain
[04:28:52] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[04:28:54] <upstart> ^ 03How Anxiety Feels (as a Guy) - YouTube
[04:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> da hell?
[04:29:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt shut up brain homer
[04:29:07] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[04:29:08] <upstart> ^ 03Shut Up Brain, I Have Friends Now! I Don't Need You Anymore! (The Simpsons) - YouTube
[04:29:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> god damnit, youtube
[04:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt shut up brain homer q-tip
[04:29:54] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[04:29:55] <upstart> ^ 03homer - shut up brain or ill stab you with a cue tip - YouTube
[04:30:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> finally
[05:32:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rethinking Ketchup Packets: New Approach to Slippery Packaging Aims to Cut Food Waste - http://sylnt.us - good
[07:50:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gene Editing Crunches an Organism's Genome Into Single, Giant DNA Molecule - http://sylnt.us - #gataca
[09:18:15] <SoyGuest49257> is it true that in the US some washing machines have both hot and cold water inputs?
[10:12:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Mistranslation Matters - http://sylnt.us - mister-translation-wants-equal-time
[10:46:31] <Bytram> SoyGuest49257: Yes, why not? Hot water for whites (e.g. underwear, T-shirts, sheets), medium (hot+cold) for better cleaning of things that are not cold-water-required, cold for the rest (wool) or just to save energy
[10:46:37] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:46:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4212
[11:24:07] <SoyGuest49257> Bytram: in europe, it's cold only, and the machine heats it up to the appropriate temperature
[11:26:53] <Bytram> interesting... is there a problem with sediment buildup in the machine's heater?
[11:30:29] <SoyGuest49257> not particularly, that's not the earliest bit to fail generally.
[11:30:31] <SemperOSS> SoyGuest49257: That is not entirely true. I have had a few with hot water input. This actually makes good sense for people like me where the hot water is heated by natural gas, which is cheaper per kW than electricity
[11:31:00] <Bytram> cannot the heater in the washer be gas powered/fueled?
[11:31:01] <SemperOSS> s/kW/kWh/
[11:31:03] <exec> <SemperOSS> SoyGuest49257: That is not entirely true. I have had a few with hot water input. This actually makes good sense for people like me where the hot water is heated by natural gas, which is cheaper per kWh than electricity
[11:31:07] <SoyGuest49257> SemperOSS: yeah, it does make sense, but scratching my head last night I couldn't remember ever having encountered it.
[11:32:17] <Bytram> If you have hot water on your premises already, why not just directly plumb it into the washer?
[11:36:44] <SemperOSS> Bytram: The heater is actually a submerged, electrical heating element that often gathers limestone, which is apparently the most often encountered problem with it.
[11:36:44] <SemperOSS> I have never encountered a directly gas-heated washing machine anywhere in the world.
[11:36:44] <SemperOSS> I think it is a matter of cultural preferences, just like most Americans (still, I presume) and Caribbeans use top-loading machines instead of the more efficient front-loading machines.
[11:38:01] <Bytram> times are a-changing -- they installed front-loading washers in my apt bldg in the past couple years
[11:38:38] <SemperOSS> Bytram: Well, I'll be damned :D
[11:39:19] <Bytram> then again... they'll tend to get *many* more loads per day than an average home user would, so there's additional incentive for efficiency
[11:42:12] <SemperOSS> Yeah, I remember at uni where we had industrial grade washing machines and they still had to be repaired four to five times a year. Could have something to do with the people using/abusing the machines, though
[11:42:43] <Bytram> you mean... putting a whole weeks' worth of laundry in just one load to save money?
[11:42:56] <Bytram> I mean, if it got wet, then itmust have got clean... amirite?
[11:43:05] <SemperOSS> That's exactly the point ;-)
[11:45:16] * Bytram has seen it, sadly enough, even in his current residence
[11:50:29] <Bytram> think I'm going to treat myself to a buffet breakfast this morning... better get going if I want to get there in time.
[11:50:37] <Bytram> laters!
[12:30:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 661Tbps Through a Single Optical Fiber: The Mind Boggles - http://sylnt.us - I-have-1Mbps
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[15:01:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Maps Will No Longer Show a Flat Earth - http://sylnt.us - Checkmate!
[16:49:46] <SoyGuest49257> FFS. Just ported a website I'm writing from Dancer1.3 to Dancer2, and to load the simplest page of static text now takes 2.4s rather than 0.3s
[16:51:38] <SoyGuest49257> Only decided to upgrade because of a crappy misfeature in 1.3, which I'm now having to work around, as I'm not putting up with 8 times the overhead.
[16:55:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyGuest49257, screw that silliness. do it in perl.
[16:59:26] <SoyGuest49257> Dancer is in perl
[17:00:22] <SoyGuest49257> I'm gonna fix the misfeature in 1.3, even if it's no longer supported
[17:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! do it in raw perl then. fastcgi and no frameworks.
[17:02:01] <SoyGuest49257> I need it to cooperate with an nginx server, and PSGI seems to work
[17:02:56] <SoyGuest49257> I'm not sure what the PSGI interface really is, but nginx talks it, and Dancer handles it automagically, so it saves me some effort
[17:04:03] <SoyGuest49257> anyway, time for some nosh before any hacking, there's a new Peruvian restaurant in town
[17:04:23] <SoyGuest49257> with a real peruvian chef, we know him from another restaurant
[17:20:37] <Bytram> #g PSGI
[17:20:38] <MrPlow> https://plackperl.org - "PSGI is an interface between Perl web applications and web servers, and Plack is a Perl module and toolkit that contains PSGI middleware, helpers and ..."
[17:20:38] <upstart> ^ 03PSGI/Plack - Perl Superglue for Web Frameworks and Web Servers
[17:33:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - School Board Bans Snow Days, Will Make Kids Work Online Instead - http://sylnt.us - it-snow-fair!
[18:06:34] <Bytram> #g Ed25519
[18:06:34] <MrPlow> https://ed25519.cr.yp.to - "Ed25519 is a public-key signature system with several attractive features: Fast single-signature verification. The software takes only 273364 cycles to verify a ..."
[18:06:34] <upstart> ^ 03Introduction
[18:16:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[18:16:23] <SoyGuest49257> Fuck "security"
[18:16:26] <SoyGuest49257> An error occurred during a connection to plackperl.org.
[18:16:26] <SoyGuest49257> Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).
[18:18:59] <SoyGuest49257> Peruvian food was goooood. deffo gonna go back and try other things from the menu
[18:56:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://humanprogress.org Oops, there goes the class warfare narrative...
[18:56:56] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[18:57:21] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[18:57:22] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
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[19:51:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Names First Astronauts to Fly on American Spacecraft; SpaceX Poised to Fly Crew Before Boeing - http://sylnt.us - would-YOU-go?
[20:45:35] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs himself silly
[20:46:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> my hippie-assed broadband provider just jumped the shark. just got a notice in the mail that they're transferring ownership to the customers and we get to elect a board this fall.
[20:47:23] <hopdevil> that is ... interesting
[20:47:26] <SemperOSS> Er, that's good ... -ish, I guess?!?
[20:47:28] <hopdevil> is it a small provider?
[20:47:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> two towns worth of coverage
[20:47:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's interesting, yes. good is in the eye of the beholder.
[20:48:36] <hopdevil> do they have bylaws and whatnot?
[20:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> for them, it will not be good. they have a whole lot of hippie type ideals, as you could easily guess. their customers though are highly conservative.
[20:49:19] <SemperOSS> Is it going to be like a co-op? In that case there's the added liability that the owners have to cover any loses. Just sayin'.
[20:49:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> more than half the black folks here (over 40% of the town) voted for Trump in 16
[20:50:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's going to be interesting, for sure. hell, i may even run for a board seat.
[20:50:26] <SemperOSS> Oh >:o
[20:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like the hell out of the company, harmless silliness aside, and would like to see it continue to thrive and grow.
[20:51:47] <hopdevil> im wondering what they are actually giving up
[20:52:20] <hopdevil> more ISPs should run like that, internet as a public utility
[20:52:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno. i'm definitely going to read all the paperwork though.
[20:53:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'm no more impressed with well run coop ownership than i am with well run private ownership. they provide a good service for a good price, so they get my appreciation. that's as far as i'll go.
[20:55:24] <hopdevil> for sure, but there is a conflict with service vs profit
[20:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> a very good service, really. in the three years i've been here they've doubled our speed twice at no cost and cut our bill by like $10/month
[20:55:42] <hopdevil> and all they really need to do is keep it running
[20:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. if you give good service and get all the customers, you get plenty of profit.
[20:56:38] <hopdevil> but more profit if you sell data, and do other nasty things
[20:56:56] <hopdevil> over sell the pipe
[20:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> maximizing per-unit profit does not imply maximizing overall profit. customer satisfaction does more than a $10 rate hike to increase profits.
[20:57:39] <hopdevil> assuming competition, which usually isnt the case
[20:58:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's at least one competitor. they don't have many customers though.
[20:58:33] <chromas> Is there data for ISPs to sell? Most sites are TLS now and most people use Chrome, which bypasses ISP dns
[20:58:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> AT&T's DSL is getting the complete shit kicked out of it and the other isp i can't remember the name of isn't likely to be there long.
[20:59:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you have no customers because you offer shitty/expensive service, you don't have much of a dick to swing around.
[21:00:14] <hopdevil> the size of the dick helps
[21:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab hopdevil
[21:00:34] <Bender> Added quote 879
[21:00:38] <Bytram> !grab hopdevil
[21:00:38] <Bender> Added quote 880
[21:00:42] <Bytram> lol
[21:00:42] <hopdevil> lol
[21:00:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[21:00:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 275
[21:00:59] <Bender> Quote 275 - <crutchy> paulej72 is the butt
[21:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 380
[21:01:05] <Bender> Quote 380 - <SpallsHurgenson> just because I don't wear pants doesn't mean I'm naked
[21:01:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: sorry to hear about your ISP situation... Hope it works out for ya!
[21:01:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry? i'm quite intrigued with it. may even get me a regular paycheck out of it.
[21:01:55] <Bytram> btw, any idea why overrated no longer does a "-1" on a comment moderation... it seems to do nothing atm... doesn't even register as a mod.
[21:02:03] <Bytram> oh, good for you!
[21:02:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, show me the comment
[21:02:26] <Bytram> just a moment
[21:02:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> it worked fine for me yesterday but if your mod isn't registering that'd be the reason
[21:02:46] <Bytram> ima gotta hafta find it.
[21:03:30] <Bytram> was over a day ago
[21:04:00] <Bytram> fond the story
[21:04:03] <Bytram> *fond
[21:04:19] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[21:04:20] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Study Links Low Blood Levels of Acetylcarnitine to Depression ( https://soylentnews.org )
[21:04:46] <Bytram> I don't see any mods on it
[21:05:06] <Bytram> Select "Overrated", click on "Moderate"
[21:05:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ...
[21:05:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Bytram
[21:05:17] * MrPlow smakes Bytram upside the head with a whore's shoe
[21:05:22] <Bytram> and it's still not there
[21:05:29] <Bytram> whasat for?
[21:05:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't mod something overrated if it hasn't been rated first.
[21:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> we put that in a long time back =P
[21:05:56] <Bytram> why not? They got a "+1" for posting with a nick.
[21:06:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. that's optional on a per-user basis.
[21:06:18] <Bytram> I did not select overupmoderated
[21:06:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> functionally, a comment has to be moderated before you can Overrated it.
[21:07:12] <Bytram> on a -1 to 5 scale, it does not, in my estimation, rate a "Score:1" so it is "Overated"
[21:07:30] <Bytram> or overrated, even
[21:07:47] <Bytram> we are not a reddit / ars / fb... it's "Olympic Scoring:
[21:07:52] <Bytram> s/:/"/
[21:07:54] <exec> <Bytram> we are not a reddit / ars / fb... it's "Olympic Scoring"
[21:09:02] <Bytram> I don't recall that discussion. Was prolly during the holiday season when I was running on "even more empty".
[21:09:08] <Bytram> =)
[21:09:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it was just like two years ago.
[21:09:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe three
[21:10:04] <Bytram> can't say as I've had any need to us it until now, so may have missed it.
[21:10:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna debate it, i'm down. later though. i'm still working on drying my shirt out after sweating it entirely wet while mowing the yard.
[21:11:05] <Bytram> later, I'll be out with some friends.
[21:11:33] <Bytram> Please just note that I strongly disagree with the thinking, and be open to changing it back. okay?
[21:11:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's lots and lots and lots of later. i don't think the heat death of the universe is due for quite a while.
[21:12:02] <Bytram> and as I'm sweating my (*^*(^ off just sitting here, I can't imagine how much you must be sweating... take a well-deserved break!
[21:12:13] <Bytram> *) after mowing the lawn
[21:12:29] <Bytram> anyway... I needa clean up and get going
[21:12:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i'm doing. god bless yall honkeys and your air conditioning.
[21:12:45] * Bytram has no A/C
[21:12:59] * Bytram ain't no honkey, either
[21:13:05] <Bytram> #yt honky tonk woman
[21:13:06] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[21:13:07] <upstart> ^ 03Rolling Stones-Honky Tonk Woman - YouTube
[21:13:10] <Bytram> =)
[21:13:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> build one out of an ice chest. it'll be fun and useful.
[21:13:18] <Bytram> s'long!
[21:13:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[21:13:26] <Bytram> *chuckles*
[21:13:50] <Bytram> thanks again for the earlier chat -- much appreciated!
[21:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[21:14:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> thinking about doing that myself really. ice chest, ice, water, copper line, small evaporator coil, and a fan. spot AC for maybe a buck or two a day.
[21:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe a fish tank pump too
[21:17:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> https://twitter.com <-- New Star Trek series following Jean-Luc Picard post-TNG ? WHAT?
[21:17:54] <upstart> ^ 03Star Trek on Twitter: "#REDAlert. The time has come to Make it so! @SirPatStew will be returning to his iconic role as Jean-Luc Picard in a new #CBSAllAccess #StarTrek series that tells the story of the next chapter in Picard’s life #STLV #MakeItSo… https://t.co"
[21:21:15] * TheMightyBuzzard blinks
[21:21:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> how the fuck's that going to work? he's going to die before they get three seasons in the can.
[21:22:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i need a cold beer and a smoke. gone.
[21:22:27] <chromas> It's CBS All Access. Nobody will see it
[21:22:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> He's 78. Could die before the first season is done, could get ten seasons in and live for another few years.
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[21:34:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, pirates will
[21:37:21] <chromas> True. I watched the first several episodes of STD on youtube
[21:45:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i haven't even bothered watching one. not interested in SJW propaganda masquerading as entertainment.
[21:46:34] <chromas> So you don't watch any star trek then
[21:47:35] <chromas> It was alright but definitely not star trek. I didn't see the ones with the nonsense mushroom drive or whatever
[21:47:53] <chromas> spore drive I guess. Also, Spore wasn't a very good game.
[22:11:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Established in 1973, Brookstone Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection - http://sylnt.us - sad-to-see-it-go
[22:16:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i watch tons of star trek. just no new episodes until they come out with something that isn't 98% asshattery.
[22:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, hey, it's late enough to justify eating the other half of that pizza i got for dinner last night and calling it dinner! yay!
[22:17:38] * TheMightyBuzzard fucks off
[22:18:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> pizza...that sounds like a good idea.
[22:18:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> we didn't eat lunch until ... uh... 2:30-ish though so still gonna be a while.
[22:20:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit http://www.astronomy.com
[22:20:58] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[22:21:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~submit http://www.astronomy.com
[22:21:36] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[22:24:21] <chromas> lol oops https://www.bloombergquint.com
[22:24:21] <upstart> ^ 03Apple IPhone Chipmaker TSMC’s Factories Hit By Computer Virus - Bloomberg Quint
[22:25:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...but Apple computers don't get viruses! </sarcasm>
[22:33:48] <SoyGuest49257> https://us-east-1.tchyn.io
[22:34:10] <chromas> 🌮submit https://www.itwire.com
[22:34:16] <upstart> Submitting "Uproar at Google After News of Censored China Search App Breaks"...
[22:34:37] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[22:35:13] <chromas> ♪ Spam in the place where you were ♫
[22:39:25] <SoyGuest49257> it's about as appropriate as me now drinking a winter warmer (it's pretty much the hottest week on record here)
[22:42:57] <chromas> We've been taking a break from the heat. Only 83 today
[23:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, Rampage didn't totally suck at all
[23:06:09] <chromas> Redneck Rampage?
[23:14:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, just rampage
[23:15:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> the rock and a hot chick and some cgi
[23:15:59] <chromas> Ah, so Rampage (2018), not Rampage (2009)
[23:16:43] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[23:17:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you don't go in expecting anything but a giant monsters movie, it's pretty decent.
[23:26:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> between that and jumanji, i'm starting to think the rock does comedy pretty damned well.
[23:47:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, chicks would get a lot more rimjobs if they didn't give guys the evil eye when they suggested bacon grease as lube.
[23:53:28] <chromas> They're called blackberries now
[23:53:56] <chromas> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[23:53:56] <Bender> Added quote 881