#Soylent | Logs for 2018-09-26
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[00:35:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tor Browser Bundle 8.0 Sends OS+kernel+TOTAL_PING_COUNT in Update Queries to Mozilla - http://sylnt.us - Checking-in-on-checking-in
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[00:48:00] <chromas> CSS needs named blocks
[00:48:02] <chromas> and loops
[01:06:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake chromas
[01:06:34] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with top down diarrhea
[01:07:02] <chromas> You just violated my CoC
[01:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you wish
[01:47:08] <chromas> please
[01:48:46] <Bytram> chromas: s/e$//
[01:48:48] <exec> <Bytram> <chromas> pleas
[01:59:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg. bedtime.
[02:02:35] <Bytram> yarrr, won't be much later for me, either.
[02:02:39] <Bytram> ~gnight th
[02:02:41] * exec $adverb extracts a Borg cube of Big Bite Hot Dogs from th
[02:02:41] <Bytram> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[02:02:43] * exec whole-heartedly sodomizes a broken promise of cow dung custard with TheMightyBuzzard
[02:16:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Qualcomm Accuses Apple of Passing its Trade Secrets on to Intel - http://sylnt.us - Intel-intel
[02:20:47] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:23:34] <Bytram> ~submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:23:39] <exec> error: title not found or empty
[02:28:36] * Bytram is knackered
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[02:46:42] <SoyCow1984> #submit https://www.fastcompany.com
[02:46:43] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[02:47:09] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[02:47:11] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
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[03:47:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Another Highly Reflective Art Object Will be Launched Into Orbit in November - http://sylnt.us - It's-a-bird,-it's-a-plane,-it's-an...art-object?
[05:27:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Interstellar Asteroid 'Oumuamua Tracked to Four Possible Origin Star Systems - http://sylnt.us - backtrack
[07:06:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World Health Organization: Alcohol Killed 3 Million People in 2016 - http://sylnt.us - sense-no-makes
[08:36:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blackhawks Beaten by Italian-designed Helicopter for Air Force UH-1 Replacement - http://sylnt.us - thump-thump-thump-thump-thump-thump-thump
[09:26:07] <chromas> https://www.cnet.com
[09:26:07] <upstart> ^ 036 Spotify songs to listen to while Silicon Valley steals your DNA
[09:31:26] <chromas> https://www.technology.org
[09:31:28] <upstart> ^ 03Invasive snakes ‘hitchhiking’ on planes
[09:31:37] <chromas> has a link pointing to file://
[09:31:39] <chromas> heh
[09:31:52] <chromas> They should take that report to the UN
[10:06:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vorombe titan: World's Largest Bird Weighed Up to 800 Kilograms - http://sylnt.us - try-stuffing-that-into-the-oven
[11:02:51] <FatPhil> am I right in thinking that the GZY0JBND in that path is there to stop remote attackers from being able to guess file locations (as firefox also does for your personal settings directory)?
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[11:13:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:13:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4328
[11:13:53] <Bytram> ugh. Sixth work day in a row. Hard to get going this AM
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[11:23:04] <Bytram> #g CIDR
[11:23:04] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Classless Inter-Domain Routing is a method for allocating IP addresses and IP routing. The Internet Engineering Task Force introduced CIDR in 1993 to replace ..."
[11:23:05] <upstart> ^ 03Classless Inter-Domain Routing - Wikipedia
[11:31:22] <Bytram> #g spore game
[11:31:23] <MrPlow> https://www.spore.com - "Spore. Download the Free Spore Creature Creator. Featured Star ... EA.com Media | Video Game News | Search Games | Register My Game | Investor Relations."
[11:31:24] <upstart> ^ 03Spore™ ( www.spore.com/ )
[11:31:46] <chromas> from the disappointment dept
[11:34:27] <chromas> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com
[11:34:29] <upstart> Submitting "Kids as young as 7 are finding ingenious ways around Apple's screen time controls"...
[11:34:51] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[11:35:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MINERVA-II Rovers Send Back Images from the Surface of Asteroid Ryugu - http://sylnt.us - Mexican-jumping...landers
[11:36:45] <Bytram> chromas: got a sec? Was wonder4ing if you couldplease loook up our recent article where Linus announced he was taking a break and handing over the reins?
[11:36:51] * Bytram is working on the ESR story
[11:37:01] <chromas> aye
[11:37:09] * chromas puts down the rum
[11:37:18] <Bytram> Muchos grassy derrier
[11:37:47] <Bytram> #g linus torvald
[11:37:48] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Linus Benedict Torvalds is a Finnish–American software engineer who is the creator, and historically, the principal developer of the Linux kernel, which became ..."
[11:37:49] <upstart> ^ 03Linus Torvalds - Wikipedia
[11:38:01] <Bytram> spelling check.... glad I did
[11:39:35] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[11:39:41] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[11:39:47] <upstart> ^ 03More on Linus Torvalds Taking a Break From Linux Kernel Maintainership - SoylentNews
[11:39:57] <chromas> Second one's older
[11:40:01] <upstart> ^ 03Linus Torvalds Taking a Break From Linux Kernel Maintainership - SoylentNews
[11:40:02] <Bytram> k
[11:40:08] <Bytram> chromas++ THANKS!
[11:40:08] <Bender> karma - chromas: 223
[11:40:42] * chromas notices esr's lkml post doesn't have any replies; probably shadowbanned
[11:41:06] * chromas blames China
[11:41:22] <Bytram> chromas: have we published anything about a Linux CoC... or is that only something I've seen in the subm,issions queue?
[11:42:24] <chromas> I think it was just those two farticles
[11:42:51] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:43:46] <chromas> They used to have a "code of conflict" until a couple guys decided to sneak in the CoC when Linus stepped out, according to a link I'll look for
[11:45:55] <chromas> firefox--
[11:45:55] <Bender> karma - firefox: -13
[11:46:32] <Bytram> #g just the facts, ma'am
[11:46:33] <MrPlow> https://www.snopes.com - "Did Dragnet's Sgt. Joe Friday character frequently implore female informants to provide 'Just the facts, ma'am'?"
[11:46:34] <upstart> ^ 03FACT CHECK: Dragnet 'Just the Facts'
[11:48:43] * Bytram cant speel this am
[11:48:47] <Bytram> #g sargeant
[11:48:48] <MrPlow> https://en.wiktionary.org - "sargeant. Definition from Wiktionary, the free dictionary. Jump to navigation Jump to search. See also: Sargeant. English[edit]. Noun[edit]. sargeant. Misspelling ..."
[11:48:48] <upstart> ^ 03sargeant - Wiktionary
[11:48:54] <Bytram> huh, maybe I can
[11:49:16] <chromas> sergeant
[11:49:32] <Bytram> #g sergeant
[11:49:32] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Sergeant is a rank in many uniformed organizations, principally military and policing forces. The alternate spelling, \"serjeant\", is used in The Rifles and other ..."
[11:49:34] <upstart> ^ 03Sergeant - Wikipedia
[11:49:38] <Bytram> ooooh
[11:49:41] <Bytram> mare see!
[11:51:37] <Bytram> #g ESR
[11:51:37] <MrPlow> https://medlineplus.gov - "Jul 18, 2018 ... An erythrocyte sedimentation rate measures how quickly red blood cells settle in a test tube. It can help detect inflammation in the body."
[11:51:38] <upstart> ^ 03Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate (ESR): MedlinePlus Lab Test Information
[11:51:44] <Bytram> #g Eric S raymond
[11:51:45] <MrPlow> http://www.catb.org - "Welcome to my piece of the Web. I maintain quite a lot of open-source software, FAQs, and HTML documents, so this site is rather complex. It's mostly validated ..."
[11:51:51] <Bytram> #g Eric S raymond wikipedia
[11:51:51] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Eric Steven Raymond (born December 4, 1957), often referred to as ESR, is an American software developer, author of the widely cited 1997 essay and 1999 ..."
[11:51:52] <upstart> ^ 03Eric S. Raymond - Wikipedia
[11:52:18] <Bytram> #g linux CoC
[11:52:19] <MrPlow> https://itsfoss.com - "5 days ago ... Linux kernel has a new code of conduct (CoC). Linus Torvalds took a break from Linux kernel development just 30 minutes after signing this ..."
[11:52:20] <upstart> ^ 03Linux Has a Code of Conduct and Not Everyone is Happy With it | It's FOSS
[11:53:09] <chromas> I can't wait for Them™ to sneak in kdbus while Linus is out
[11:54:32] * Bytram is trying to find a definitive specificatipon of the Linux CoC
[11:54:36] <Bytram> #g linux CoC wikipedia
[11:54:37] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "LinuxUser is a German computer magazine for Linux users published by German media company Medialinx AG. It was first published in 2000."
[11:54:38] <upstart> ^ 03LinuxUser - Wikipedia
[11:54:50] <Bytram> #g linux Code of Conduct wikipedia
[11:54:51] <MrPlow> https://wiki.archlinux.org - "Mar 9, 2018 ... Arch Linux is a community-driven distribution; the developers, support ... The Code of Conduct here has been developed over a number of years and ... fora; the #Forums, #Wiki, #IRC, #Mailing lists, #AUR and #Bug tracker."
[11:54:53] <upstart> ^ 03Code of conduct - ArchWiki
[11:55:06] <Bytram> gah
[11:55:21] <chromas> https://www.kernel.org
[11:55:22] <upstart> ^ 03Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct — The Linux Kernel documentation
[11:55:32] <Bytram> chromas++ WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!
[11:55:32] <Bender> karma - chromas: 224
[11:55:56] <Bytram> is this still proposed, or is it already in effect?
[11:57:04] * Bytram clicks above link
[11:57:09] <chromas> https://git.kernel.org
[11:57:31] <chromas> It says "from this point forward…" so I guess it's in effect; not sure though
[11:58:41] <Bytram> "From this point forward, we should abide by these rules in order to help make the kernel community a welcoming environment to participate in."
[11:58:55] <Bytram> to me, "should" suggests that it might be a proposal?
[11:59:39] <Bytram> otoh, it was signed off by a bunch of (presumably) high-level linux maintainers(?)
[11:59:54] <chromas> Even Linus him and/or herself
[12:00:01] <chromas> https://i.imgur.com
[12:00:12] <Bytram> whre' the blanket... and lucy and charlie brown?
[12:01:47] * chromas goes to reconcile with his blanket statements
[12:01:58] <Bytram> LOL
[12:02:06] <Bytram> seriously... that was a GOOD one!
[12:04:41] <Bytram> okay, I *think* I've got a reasonable intro
[12:05:03] <Bytram> nope
[12:06:57] * Bytram forgot to set a timestamp for release
[12:07:23] <Bytram> ~time x
[12:07:25] <exec> Wednesday, 26 September 2018 @ 12:07 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[12:08:45] <Bytram> I slotted it in at the next available slot... feel free to move it up and swap places with, say, https://soylentnews.org
[12:08:46] <upstart> ^ 03Error
[12:08:53] <chromas> from the wish-we-had-banner-ads-for-these-stories dept
[12:09:07] <Bytram> and... it's well past time for me to get ready for work
[12:09:36] <Bytram> chromas++ thanks so very much for your assistance... woulda taken me a whole lot longer without your help!
[12:09:36] <Bender> karma - chromas: 225
[12:09:48] <Bytram> laters gaiters
[12:10:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> ....exec needs to add "takes a lickin', keeps on ticking" to the "~time x" response.
[12:10:19] <chromas> Thanks for the karma raise, in lieu of pay raise
[12:11:20] <chromas> hehe, rehash boned your links
[12:11:42] <chromas> put empty a tags around "and"
[12:13:25] <chromas> That's a lot of hard breaks. SAD
[12:21:12] <SemperOSS> Coffee++
[12:22:37] <SemperOSS> What, no counting! What to do????
[12:22:54] <chromas> s/^ //
[12:23:32] <SemperOSS> Ah, speling problms
[12:23:39] <SemperOSS> chromas++
[12:23:39] <Bender> karma - chromas: 226
[12:23:43] <SemperOSS> Coffee++
[12:23:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4329
[12:24:36] <SemperOSS> chromas: Still some way off from being as popular as coffee, eh?!?
[12:25:53] <chromas> Coffee cheated though
[12:26:03] <chromas> Plus I haven't been inside you guys as much
[12:26:15] <SemperOSS> Thank goodness for that
[12:26:58] <SemperOSS> Maybe if you were freeze dried and distributed in nice glass jars?
[12:27:42] <chromas> I'll need a vacuum
[12:27:51] <chromas> Which one of you wants to suck me dry?
[12:28:21] <SemperOSS> I think I'll pass on this occasion, thank you
[12:29:53] <SemperOSS> ... and all the following, come to think of it
[13:25:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Eric S. Raymond Speaks in Regards to the Linux Code of Conduct - http://sylnt.us - don-asbestos-garments
[13:50:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn that's a long FA
[13:50:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll read it later. too much stuff to get done this morning.
[13:57:57] <boru> It's very information sparse, as I've come to expect of ESR over the years.
[13:58:20] <boru> Reads like intellectual masturbation, but without the intellectual part.
[14:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> erm... it wasn't meant to impart data points. it's a chain of reasoning.
[14:08:48] * TheMightyBuzzard shuffles off to buffalo
[14:13:21] <SemperOSS> ESR can easily come across more arrogant than Linus.
[14:15:03] <FatPhil> but in a different way
[14:15:12] <SemperOSS> Oh yes!
[14:15:20] <FatPhil> I think ESR thinks he's a higher life form
[14:15:33] <FatPhil> Linus just things he's a better coder than you.
[14:16:18] <SemperOSS> Last time I was attending a meeting where ESR was the guest honour but basically sat in a corner of the room checking his mail most of the time, interjecting commenst along the way
[14:16:22] <FatPhil> but I wanna get to the bottom of the 3 smart quotes...
[14:16:34] <SemperOSS> s/guest/guest of/
[14:16:36] <exec> <SemperOSS> Last time I was attending a meeting where ESR was the guest of honour but basically sat in a corner of the room checking his mail most of the time, interjecting commenst along the way
[14:19:55] <SemperOSS> FatPhil: How did your RPi~Powerbank project go?
[14:33:42] <FatPhil> SemperOSS: it was a fail using an unmodified phone powerbank.
[14:34:40] <FatPhil> I found a brand, Romoss, which was perfectly happy to charge and power simultaniusly, but it glitched whenever its power was removed, so was unsuitable.
[14:35:53] <FatPhil> Probably not a huge problem for someone electronically competant, but I'm diametrically not described by that phrase.
[14:38:07] <FatPhil> It was also undervoltage a bit too often, not everyone's 5V are the same...
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[16:18:16] <FatPhil> Ugh, I shouldn't get so emotionally involved with some SN stories... getting in a bit of a flap over CoCs...
[16:18:51] <FatPhil> Nice to have some opposite points of view though, so that I can push against a solid target rather than just jousting at windmills.
[16:21:04] * boru chuckles.
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[16:34:33] <hopdevil> FatPhil: i also questioned if Linus has actually written that
[16:34:43] <hopdevil> it looked staged
[16:37:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Happy [Belated] #CIDRDay! 25 Years of CIDR Addressing - http://sylnt.us - quite-a-bit-of-an-improvement
[16:39:09] * mechanicjay opens the ESR story
[16:39:43] <FatPhil> hopdevil: I'm ex-kernel dev, so kinda emotionally involved.
[16:40:22] <mechanicjay> I really like ESR, I'm worried about what he's going to say here...maybe I should just close the story.
[16:40:51] <FatPhil> Ah, you won't like what I say about ESR in the story then... ;-)
[16:42:33] <FatPhil> When he has said something I agree with historically, I've been happy that he said it with quite some bluntness. He's foretold the SJWisation of software historically. That was one I agreed with him on.
[16:44:16] <hopdevil> I mean, he either says nothing at all in that email, or the culture is changing "for the better", trust me I'm ESR?
[16:45:22] <FatPhil> I'm in the "says nothing" camp. And I think he's just plain wrong about revocation of rights.
[16:46:06] <pinchy> ESR = electro static recharge
[16:46:42] <pinchy> just like LEO = low earth officer
[16:47:24] <FatPhil> fukstix - out of mod points
[16:47:25] <mechanicjay> Yeah, okay, didn't really say anything, but he kinda put some framing around the conversation
[16:48:01] <FatPhil> yeah, but the frame was his ringpiece, with his head bang in the centre.
[16:49:42] <hopdevil> I actually think ESR is missing a pretty big point.. this wasnt community driven, at least so far as anything I have seen
[16:50:50] <hopdevil> just because there is now a giant CoC in Linux doesn't mean the community needs to justify it
[16:51:01] <hopdevil> it should be the other way around
[16:53:30] <pinchy> i learned that "normativeness" is a word today daddy
[17:03:32] <pinchy> hah everyone get ur wikipedia articles on GPL law and copyright out
[17:05:00] <hopdevil> i think i missed something, what is the copyright threat?
[17:10:12] <hopdevil> oh, link at the end https://lkml.org
[17:10:13] <upstart> ^ 03LKML: unconditionedwitness@redchan ...: Re: A Plea to Unfuck our Codes of Conduct
[17:36:39] <boru> My main worry is that linux scum will migrate to BSD.
[17:39:30] <hopdevil> hah, whats wrong with BSD? there is already a lot of cross pollination
[17:40:02] <boru> Quite the opposite.
[17:40:21] <boru> I don't want linux refugees pouring the same dirt into BSD.
[17:41:44] <hopdevil> CoCs are a disease of successful open source projects, unless the BSDs can figure out how to stop it, it will happen
[17:49:26] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[17:50:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't seen so many people who ANAL since the last time i saw a gay pride parade
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[18:14:01] <FatPhil> boru: some *BSDs have been CoC-ed up already, no?
[18:16:01] <mechanicjay> FatPhil boru https://www.freebsd.org
[18:16:02] <upstart> ^ 03FreeBSD Code of Conduct
[18:16:41] <FatPhil> hopdevil: sorry, I'm partly to blame for people not knowing about the unconditionedwitness unfuck LKML post - there was a story in the queue on precisely that, but I noted that it was little more than an anonymous rant (which I consider to contain biased misinformation presented as fact), so I recommended not running it.
[18:31:52] <FatPhil> mechanicjay: yup, they've been cucked into enumerating badness. Not even open-endedly, either: "Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age, race, or religion."
[18:32:59] <FatPhil> I like prog rock - BSD devs can take the shitting piss out of me all I like, because prog rock fans get NO protection.
[18:33:10] <FatPhil> s/all I/all they/
[18:33:12] <exec> <FatPhil> I like prog rock - BSD devs can take the shitting piss out of me all they like, because prog rock fans get NO protection.
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[18:39:43] <Sulla> So I'm not one of them linux using people. How is this Code of Conduct thing going to effect my daily life as a non-linux user if people pull their code?
[18:43:34] <mechanicjay> Given the number of embedded devices Linux is in these days, you could be a linux user and not realize it.
[18:44:13] <mechanicjay> Also, by using this IRC server and SN in general, you're using linux.
[18:47:05] <Sulla> I was assuming there are a whole lot of things I use that will be effected
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[18:50:01] <mechanicjay> Which actually is interesting point to make to non-tech folks. If you at all use the internet, you're "using" linux. Either through a routing network, a proxy, a firewall, a load balancer, or the end-point that you're talking to. Some of these layers are really baked into a whole Linux Eco System. Like, "Linux is dead, I need to move my Docker based application, which relies on microserivces to another OS." or Standard LAMP applica
[18:50:01] <mechanicjay> tions CAN run on BSD usually, Windows less successfully.
[18:51:17] <mechanicjay> Now obviously, linux isn't going to "just go away" -- but it's interesting to think about the impact if Linux were to fundamentally change overnight.
[18:58:49] <FatPhil> Sulla: your modem/router runs linux with 90% probability, and the router at the ISP's end almost certainly runs it. You can't avoid linux.
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[19:53:09] <hopdevil> I like to think that linux's community/culture has produced the most widely used software, why change it?
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[20:15:20] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[20:15:20] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[20:15:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm tired, is it naptime?
[20:16:28] <chromas> Yes
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[20:24:32] <jasassin> test
[20:24:36] <chromas> iCal
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[20:25:00] <SoyGuest5504> if you need ical you should get the fuck out of here and do your job
[20:25:33] <chromas> Wow, testy!
[20:25:34] <SoyGuest5504> wtf?
[20:25:46] <SoyGuest5504> goddamn nickserv bullshit
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[20:26:31] <jasassin> bah
[20:27:08] <jasassin> put down that burrito you fat fuck
[20:27:16] <jasassin> start doing some typing
[20:27:34] <chromas> burritos kick ass though
[20:27:39] <jasassin> true
[20:27:47] <jasassin> but you know man
[20:27:50] <jasassin> i know you know
[20:27:59] <jasassin> sometimes you get a gross burrito it happens
[20:28:51] <jasassin> and then you throw it out the car window and it sticks to some innocent bystander
[20:31:28] <mechanicjay> hopdevil: That's not a terrible counterpoint.
[20:32:24] <hopdevil> there is an implicit assumption that kinder communities get more done in a better way
[20:32:34] <jasassin> tell that to linus
[20:33:19] <jasassin> he probably through his cell phone into a serene mojave desert
[20:33:25] <jasassin> threw
[20:33:26] <jasassin> through
[20:33:27] <jasassin> fuck you
[20:34:18] <chromas> People say Linus' rants wouldn't fly in a corporate setting but I think they forgot about Steve Jobs, Steve Ballmer...hm, are Steves just assholes?
[20:34:28] <jasassin> no doubt
[20:34:36] <jasassin> i dont like to dodge chairs
[20:34:50] <chromas> What about ovens?
[20:34:51] <jasassin> you bruised my arm ya DICK!
[20:35:35] <hopdevil> maybe they wouldn't fly in a corporate environment, but Linux's success proves that isnt the only measure
[20:35:59] <chromas> Apple's too
[20:36:21] <hopdevil> Apple needs another asshole to run the ship, i sense they are suffering
[20:36:26] <jasassin> some sort of muppet show
[20:36:27] <chromas> Maybe Linus should abandon his daughter too, especially after she signed the post-meritocracy thing
[20:36:56] <mechanicjay> Right, why was Jobs a "visionary" but Linus is "mean" in the public consciousness?
[20:37:15] <hopdevil> the one counter to what i said is maybe Linus wants his project to live without him at the helm
[20:37:29] <chromas> To be fair, Jobs did it behind the aluminum curtain
[20:37:55] <mechanicjay> Right, but by all accounts first hand accounts, Jobs was a fucking ass-hole.
[20:38:14] <mechanicjay> I think Linus is only an ass-hole to you when you should know better.
[20:38:40] <chromas> True. Nobody's getting scolded by him unless you're already l337 enough to be working under him
[20:39:04] <hopdevil> if fear of an asshole calling you out makes you stop and think..
[20:42:17] <hopdevil> dictators get more done
[20:44:40] <chromas> But think of the untold vast number of potential contributors who might possibly maybe won't send patches as long as there's a couple assholes on the project.
[20:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap, i got distracted and i'm late for my nap now.
[20:45:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> the only things SJWs contribute are CoCs and strife
[20:46:44] <hopdevil> chromas: if that is really the justification, I want to see evidence
[20:46:49] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to apologize to his pillow for neglecting it
[20:47:02] <chromas> The old CoC wasn't keeping assholes in line. Putting in a new one will fix that, of course, because it was the CoC and not the people charged with enforcing it not doing their jerb
[20:47:16] <chromas> hopdevil: evidence is ableism
[20:47:26] <hopdevil> sounds lofty
[20:49:04] <chromas> Well there's at least one example—Ethanol-fueled's favorite Intel chick who left over toxic toxicity of toxicness
[20:50:21] <hopdevil> also fuck Intel
[20:50:45] <chromas> and USB 3
[20:51:55] <mechanicjay> and everything.
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[21:03:10] <FatPhil> I do know a bunch of kernel devs in Intel, but I've never asked them if there's any inside info on Sarah Sharp, or whatever her name was, or is, or will be. I presume that's who you're talking about? I mention her in the story on SN, near the bottom.
[21:03:44] <chromas> That's her
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[21:26:19] <FatPhil> neeeed moar modpoints!
[21:26:34] <FatPhil> fuck, I wanna upmod jmorris - I'd better take my temperature!
[21:29:01] * chromas checks FatPhil for Bieber Fever
[21:29:34] * chromas prepares the colonoscope
[21:35:23] <mechanicjay> chromas: put the extra large head on it.
[21:36:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japanese Company ispace Plans Two Missions to the Moon - http://sylnt.us - ♪we're-whalers-on-the-moon,-we-carry-a-harpoon♫
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[22:47:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Eric S. Raymond Speaks in Regards to the Linux Code of Conduct [Updated] - http://sylnt.us - don-asbestos-garments
[22:54:16] <FatPhil> This is ESR posting a comment I can get behind: https://lkml.org
[22:54:17] <upstart> ^ 03LKML: "Eric S. Raymond": Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
[22:55:05] <FatPhil> Notice the paucity of greek and pseudobabble. Or general pointless bibble-babble. Straight to the point.
[23:06:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Glyphosate May Contribute to Bee Colony Collapse Disorder - http://sylnt.us
[23:15:35] <FatPhil> MikeeeeUSA? https://lkml.org
[23:15:36] <upstart> ^ 03LKML: unconditionedwitness@redchan ...: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
[23:20:31] <Konomi> lol I love that that is circulating
[23:25:22] <Konomi> tl;dr I can't find the article atm
[23:25:41] <Konomi> but most linux patches are contributed by people working at companies so they don't own the copyright the company does
[23:26:09] <Konomi> and the other one is after the sco incident all contributors are asked to sign over the copyright to the project with some form
[23:26:13] <Konomi> so yeah
[23:34:10] <FatPhil> yup, linux is majorly corporate nowadays. most of my patches were nokias.
[23:40:35] <Konomi> also every time I followed the article title I either came back to this lolz site which I've never heard of before or 4chan
[23:40:59] <Konomi> who the heck writes a news story with the source as lulz.com
[23:42:46] <Konomi> also the lkml post they refer to has no replies last I checked
[23:50:21] <Konomi> I dislike the term fake news but eh this article covered the drama well
[23:50:24] <Konomi> https://www.itwire.com
[23:50:29] <upstart> ^ 03Fake news: No Linux devs are threatening to pull code
[23:59:27] <FatPhil> wow, that url kiled all my browser windows (theoretically different processes - sheesh, linux sux!)