#Soylent | Logs for 2019-10-03
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[00:14:21] <Runaway1956> =submit https://ahtribune.com
[00:14:26] <upstart> Runaway1956, submit failed: No title.
[00:15:05] <Runaway1956> #submit https://ahtribune.com
[00:15:08] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[00:15:33] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[00:18:52] <chromas> When I shove it into the bot script, it throws a range violation. stupid bot
[00:19:24] <Runaway1956> stupid bot
[00:19:27] <chromas> but also the response is pretty slow
[00:19:45] <Runaway1956> stupid web page too, right?
[00:19:52] <chromas> I see gibbereishes. Might be gzipped data with the wrong header
[00:21:02] <chromas> extra weird. if I run curl on the url and pipe it to gunzip, the output is a 403 and it says "Malware detected."
[00:21:55] <chromas> Maybe if I sent a peach glyph in the request they'll know I'm not a nazi and gimme the dats
[00:26:29] <chromas> I should send an email. "Hi, I'm trying to scrape your articles for another website and I noticed your server is misconfigured in a way that legitimate web browsers don't have a problem with."
[00:27:41] <Runaway1956> peach glyph, LOL
[00:29:03] <Runaway1956> maybe I need the peach glyph for my bank's website . . . .
[00:30:22] <chromas> Did they disable your credentials after reading your soylent histories?
[00:31:23] <Runaway1956> Could be - I have a user agent for mobile phone, but it still loads like I'm downloading a short movie
[00:32:40] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.cnet.com
[00:32:42] <upstart> Submitting "States can set own net neutrality rules, court says"...
[00:32:54] <Runaway1956> fuck ajit pai
[00:33:04] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "States Can Set Own Net Neutrality Rules, Court Says" (37 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:33:32] <Runaway1956> need to get moving - gotta stop and pump gas on the way to work
[00:46:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Eu's Top Court Says Tracking Cookies Require Actual Consent Before Scarfing Down User Data - https://sylnt.us - continuous-enthusiastic-affirmative-consent
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[02:35:07] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.securityweek.com
[02:35:09] <upstart> Submitting "Urgent/11 Flaws Impact More RTOS Used by Medical, Industrial Devices"...
[02:35:31] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Urgent/11 Flaws Impact More RTOS Used by Medical, Industrial Devices" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[02:53:31] <Bytram> Yowza!
[02:53:49] <Bytram> Any "Space Nerds" out there?
[02:53:57] <chromas> Is Urgent/11 more than 9/11?
[02:53:58] <Bytram> Get a load of this! https://swx.center
[02:53:59] <upstart> ^ 03SWX Center
[02:54:31] <Bytram> and this:
[02:54:34] <Bytram> https://swx.center
[02:54:35] <upstart> ^ 03SWX Center
[02:54:38] <chromas> The colors! The colors!
[02:54:44] <chromas> Has anybody seen my good friend John?
[02:55:34] <chromas> Those are some pretty nice graphics you have there
[02:58:24] <Bytram> I had found some US govt ones over the years, in various states of maintenance and upgrading, but that one page has SO MUCH in just one place! And, so I can someday find this link again in the future, in general when looking for aurora viewing conditions, check out: https://swx.center
[02:58:25] <upstart> ^ 03SWX Center
[02:58:39] <Bytram> note: Javascript is required
[02:59:16] <AzumaHazuki> wow, i must have really pissed someone off. went from 50 to 41 karma due to a long string of targeted troll mods on posts that weren't anything even approaching trolling
[02:59:19] <AzumaHazuki> someone is asspained
[02:59:20] <chromas> fortunately, only first-party js required
[02:59:53] * Bytram glances at the clock and sees it is fast approaching the time he should have long since been in bed.
[03:01:11] <chromas> I don't get enough downmods. I probably need to be wrong more. Or correct more. Either way.
[03:04:26] <Bytram> "Also the part where, y'know, he's actually correct and Hallow's so full of shit he has a permanent, personal cloud of bluebottle groupies..." (https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=33862&page=1&cid=900582#commentwrap)
[03:05:02] <Bytram> That is certainly a way to make... well, I would not call them friends.
[03:06:01] <Bytram> "I've made this exact same argument with Hallow, that regulatory capture is no more a failure of regulation than my kicking him off a building and him going splat is a failure on his part to fly. He just sent back a "yuh-huh it is, lalalalala I'm not listening" reply. Why he chooses this hill to die on, why Uzzard does too, is a mystery. What kind of mindless, amoral psychopath does someone have to be to do this, to close themselves off
[03:06:01] <Bytram> so thoroughly not just from other human beings but from observable, repeatable, testable reality?"
[03:06:19] <Bytram> ^^^ https://soylentnews.org
[03:06:47] <chromas> What's a bluebottle?
[03:06:59] <chromas> =yt what's a nubian
[03:07:00] <Bytram> These aren't "anything even approaching trolling"
[03:07:00] <upstart> https://youtube.com - What's a Nubian? (3:22)
[03:07:26] <Bytram> Okay, that's really going to have to do it for me.
[03:07:35] <Bytram> Have a great night everyone!
[03:14:30] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram: no, not trolling. flamebait, yes, but not trolling
[03:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't look at me, only mod i gave you today was a +1 Funny
[03:24:35] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i know it wasn't you. some weaksauce little pissant's sockpuppet army is on the move i suppose
[03:25:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg, needa bounce the frontends
[03:26:23] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[03:26:25] <upstart> ^ 03The Antique Toaster that's Better than Yours
[03:29:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, no sockpuppetry. way old, established accounts except one and that one's been actively commenting without a obviously similar style to anyone else.
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[03:30:11] <AzumaHazuki> sounds like i finally got up in enough of their faces hard enough to tick them off, then
[03:30:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, you just decheesed some folks.
[03:30:25] * AzumaHazuki will wear those downmods with well-deserved pride
[03:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> sound policy. downmodding something you disagree with instead of refuting it means you lost the argument, assuming there was something to argue with.
[03:32:14] <AzumaHazuki> there are some people on this site who are incapable of a good-faith argument. a disturbing number, in fact
[03:32:24] <AzumaHazuki> i'm honestly not sure how much longer i want to stay there
[03:32:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> human beings aren't wired to have good faith arguments. you gotta put significant effort into having one.
[03:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you generally gotta have them numerous times even if you're actively trying to consider the other person's point.
[03:35:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, look how many times i've clearly shown you how horribly wrong you've been and you still don't want to believe it. =P
[03:35:38] <AzumaHazuki> that's my line
[03:35:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think it's everyone's line. except EF's.
[03:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> he knows he's full of shit.
[03:36:17] <AzumaHazuki> oh, everyone thinks they're right, but very few people put it to the test of observable reality
[03:36:41] <AzumaHazuki> this world's on fire. i don't think there's going to be a place for me in it much longer, and that doesn't actually bother me.
[03:36:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> tests be damned, most people won't even consider they might be wrong.
[03:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> go down to walmart and pick up a family sized bottle of apathy and another of cynicism. perk you right up.
[03:38:43] <AzumaHazuki> flipping the chessboard over is not a victory
[03:39:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> leaving the table and having a beer is more fun than spazzing out though
[03:40:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously, humans were not made to be able to care about everything. trying to will guarantee you wind up picking flowers on the wallpaper.
[03:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a whole lot of everything and one little bitty you. by comparison anyway, amazon chick.
[03:43:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> dealing with burdens you can shoulder and still have a life, good. caring about every bit of human suffering, bad. even a tiny amount of caring times several billion will fuck you up badly.
[03:45:08] <AzumaHazuki> oh, i know. it's all i can do just to stay alive as it is
[03:45:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> and on that note, i'm going to sleep the sleep of those at peace while untold numbers of folks are being robbed, beaten, raped, tortured, and killed.
[03:45:32] <AzumaHazuki> and...this timeline is doomed. i've known it for years now. so it's just me whiling away the time till the end
[03:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> well if we're doomed, stop sweating it so much. watch some anime and enjoy yourself.
[03:46:36] * TheMightyBuzzard really buggers off now
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[06:36:37] <FatPhil> I wonder if anyone else has noticed that when I first say something in the morning, the previous line in the channel seems to be Azuma leaving. I expect conspiracy theories about whether we're acutally the same person wearing a different disguise!
[06:38:23] <chromas> I knew it! FatPhil is Zorro!
[06:39:51] <janrinok> I wasn't going to mention it....
[06:51:38] * FatPhil draws a moustache on the mask
[06:51:55] <FatPhil> wait, that's my face
[06:52:25] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[06:52:26] <upstart> ^ 03Penn & Teller Fool Us Rob Zabrecky
[06:53:22] <chromas> she's gettin' old
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[07:44:02] <FatPhil> Woh, I don't understand the moderations on this comment: https://soylentnews.org
[07:44:03] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | No Need to Cut Down Red and Processed Meat, Study Says
[07:44:20] <FatPhil> Clearly I must try harder.
[08:40:40] <FatPhil> holy jeebus in a crib - this is a freaking hilarious vid: https://soylentnews.org
[08:40:41] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Can you play bass?
[08:45:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook, Reddit, and Others Need a Deepfakes Plan Now, Senators Say - https://sylnt.us - There-ought-to-be-a-law!-Oh,-wait.
[08:49:49] <chromas> Didn't know there was SoyTube now
[10:16:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - States Can Set Own Net Neutrality Rules, Court Says - https://sylnt.us - just-give-me-a-big,-fast,-dumb-pipe
[10:39:09] <chromas> Should've set that story for three slots later just for the shortlink
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[12:08:34] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:08:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4982
[12:12:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:12:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4983
[12:12:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[12:12:23] * exec inadequately slides a ramdisk of love to Bytram
[12:12:51] <Bytram> awww, shucks!
[12:12:52] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:53] * exec suspiciously reticulates manpurse of covfefe for TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:59] <Bytram> how's the sinuses?
[12:14:22] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[12:14:30] * Bytram farts
[12:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday <container manpurse
[12:15:15] <exec> deleted container
[12:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday >container a manpurse
[12:15:25] <exec> added to containers
[12:38:04] <FatPhil> ~gday >container scrotal sacks
[12:38:05] <exec> added to containers
[12:38:13] <FatPhil> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:38:15] * exec [deleted] duplicates a carload of extra cleverness for TheMightyBuzzard
[12:40:52] <Bytram> oh, goody. NOW look what you've done!
[12:40:57] <Bytram> =)
[12:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday FatPhil
[12:47:40] * exec frankly hurls a petabyte of pink taco at FatPhil
[12:47:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you win
[12:49:30] <Bytram> ~gday FatPhil
[12:49:31] * exec [deleted] $action a megabyte of love $preposition FatPhil
[12:49:58] <Bytram> ~gday >container rainbow
[12:49:59] <exec> added to containers
[12:50:43] <Bytram> ~gday >beverage rainbows
[12:50:44] <exec> error: beverage already exists
[12:51:09] <Bytram> ~gday >beverage unicorns
[12:51:10] <exec> error: beverage already exists
[12:51:15] <Bytram> lol
[12:59:52] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[12:59:54] * exec spontaneously scissors an ace archive of monostable multivibrators for Bytram
[13:00:03] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[13:00:04] * exec retroactively enriches a bucket of jam with janrinok
[13:00:10] <janrinok> how's things?
[13:00:19] <Bytram> okay, thanks.
[13:00:33] <janrinok> rested sufficiently yet?
[13:00:35] <Bytram> got word my car should be fixed sometime today, not sure
[13:00:37] <Bytram> nope.
[13:00:49] <Bytram> can't seem to sleep in, yet.
[13:01:02] <Bytram> sun rises too early and bladder is too small. ;)
[13:01:13] <janrinok> I have been following the story of your car - you were lucky regarding how/where it happened
[13:01:17] <Bytram> did take a nap yesterday which helped a lot.
[13:01:20] <Bytram> sure was!
[13:01:37] <Bytram> as were all the other folks who were around during my journey
[13:01:44] <janrinok> true
[13:01:55] <Bytram> btw, speaking of cars...
[13:02:12] <Bytram> Tesla is rolling out an update to their cars
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[13:02:14] <Bytram> summons
[13:02:30] <janrinok> summons?
[13:02:47] <Bytram> user is *supposed to * have line-of-site to their vehicle, and is required to hold down a button during the duration (dead-mans-switch)
[13:03:13] <Bytram> and is only supposed to be used in *private parking areas*
[13:03:41] <janrinok> still don't understand 'summons' - you mean from a court?
[13:03:55] <Bytram> but activate it on your smartphone and the car will automatically leave its parking space and drive to your location, unattended.
[13:04:11] <Bytram> nope
[13:04:33] <janrinok> ah, to us Brits a summons is a legal device similar to your subpoena
[13:04:48] <Bytram> the owner only needs to activate it on their smartphone and the car will automatically leave its parking space and drive to the phone's location, unattended.
[13:04:49] <janrinok> you are summoned to court
[13:04:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:04:55] <Bytram> we have those, too.
[13:05:06] <Bytram> should said "car park" to make it clearer
[13:05:08] <janrinok> understood
[13:05:09] <Bytram> ;)
[13:05:42] <janrinok> you didn't say parking lot anywhere
[13:06:18] <Bytram> so, though neither you nor I have a Tesla, do be aware that others DO and you may now encounter cars driving autonomously, and in some *unusual* manners
[13:06:31] <janrinok> but not legally though
[13:06:32] <Bytram> >>> "and is only supposed to be used in *private parking areas*:
[13:06:47] <janrinok> I don't think we have any Teslas in the UK yet, nor France
[13:07:12] <Bytram> as I understand it, things are supposed to be different on private property...
[13:07:37] <janrinok> the only similar things that I know of are still strictly testing tracks and 1 city (Milton Keynes) I believe
[13:08:00] <Bytram> am not at all certain of the vagaries, but I expect it is a loophole that Tesla is trying to exploit so as to get real world alpha testing data.
[13:08:26] <Bytram> without running afoul of laws intended for public motorways.
[13:08:26] <janrinok> yep, you can drive anything on private property, but people are not spending fortunes on electric cars that are limited to private property
[13:08:35] <Bytram> yep
[13:09:04] <janrinok> your terminology is a bit askew - but I am following your drift
[13:09:08] <Bytram> so, driver must be doing the driving on the motorways, but once they get to the private car park...
[13:09:30] * Bytram is bit askew atm
[13:09:30] <janrinok> motorways are our freeways, public highways are roads
[13:09:41] <Bytram> oh, my bad.
[13:09:52] <janrinok> as I say, I am following along
[13:10:01] <Bytram> I appreciate the correction!
[13:10:16] <janrinok> np - I need some rest too
[13:10:45] <janrinok> S has managed to negotiate a short spell in a home later this month so that I can get some rest
[13:11:07] <Bytram> I twice spent a week in England on business, but that was back in 1997, so my knowledge of the "regionalisms" and such is fading
[13:11:13] <Bytram> good!
[13:11:30] <janrinok> only a week, but I need something. I won't last until Christmas which is when my next rest was currently scheduled
[13:11:34] <Bytram> oh, excuse me, "Queen's English" !!
[13:11:56] <Bytram> then leave the story posting to us.
[13:12:12] <Bytram> You know full-well what happens if you do not take care of yourself.
[13:12:15] <janrinok> don't get me started on regional accents - I can speak for hours yet you wouldn't understand a word
[13:12:26] <Bytram> Huh?
[13:12:42] <janrinok> I am resting - many of the jobs that I would do are currently on hold.
[13:14:04] <janrinok> eeh lad, reet gradely
[13:14:23] <Bytram> Back on that trip, at one point we had a deep, technical discussion on a problem we ran into... 3 from USA, a cockney, a scott, an australian, and a few other brits (sounded like monty python dialect) all rapidly discussing what to do.
[13:14:39] <Bytram> within about 5 minutes, it felt like my brain wanted to explode.
[13:15:01] <Bytram> wasn't quite *that* bad!
[13:15:48] <janrinok> we have regions in the UK where anyone who isn't from there or a neighbouring region could have great difficulty understanding what is being said
[13:15:55] <Bytram> Well, so long as you are resting *here* and *not* like some old parrot who would otherwise be pining for the fjords!
[13:16:14] <janrinok> definitely not pining for the fjords
[13:16:22] <Bytram> whelp, time is passing. expecting a phone call shortly, so signing off for now.
[13:16:40] <janrinok> laters. S sends you a {{{}}} and xxx
[13:16:41] <Bytram> thanks for the chat! Get some rest. And give my best to S!
[13:16:48] * Bytram blushes
[13:16:54] <Bytram> send the same to her
[13:17:01] <Bytram> laters
[13:17:04] <janrinok> k, will do
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[15:22:35] <Runaway1956> sorry for the crazy URL - but I like this. https://squeet.me
[15:29:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> I thought that was a ThinkGeek thing back in the day...though there's probably instructions to DIY one out of there as well.
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[16:38:43] <SoyCow9088> =submit https://www.tripwire.com
[16:38:44] <upstart> Submitting "Discovery of Geost Botnet Made Possible by Attacker OpSec Fails"...
[16:39:06] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Discovery of Geost Botnet Made Possible by Attacker OpSec Fails" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:47:07] <SoyCow9088> =submit https://www.tripwire.com
[16:47:08] <upstart> Submitting "Cyber Threats to Medical Imaging Systems and How to Address Them"...
[16:47:30] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Cyber Threats to Medical Imaging Systems and How to Address Them" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[17:38:26] <Bytram> =g site:soylentnews.org "MegaBots"
[17:38:26] <upstart> [0 results]
[17:38:36] <Bytram> =g site:soylentnews.org "Eagle Prime"
[17:38:36] <upstart> [0 results]
[17:42:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> =g site:tampabay.com "The Villages"
[17:42:22] <upstart> https://www.tampabay.com - Among Trump's retiree supporters in The Villages, everyone is to ...
[17:43:13] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: o/
[17:44:48] <Bytram> Oh, that story was from a while ago... 2019-08-07
[17:45:08] <Bytram> I was starting to wonder if there were more mass-shootings that I had not (yet) heard about.
[17:48:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah, he cancelled that trip because it was right after a couple of mass shootings; the rescheduled trip is today so I was kind of expecting to get an article about that.
[17:48:43] <Bytram> ahhh, got it.
[17:49:00] <Bytram> I'm at a loss for words after reading that.
[17:49:21] <Bytram> I was raised to be a "man of my word"
[17:50:23] <Bytram> If I gave my word on something, said that I was going to do something, then I would do everything in my power to make it happen... and should I fail to do so, it would be apparent that I had given a solid and thorough effort.
[17:50:51] <Bytram> Further, I would strive to NOT promise something unless I was *certain* I could deliver.
[17:52:16] <Bytram> Given the number of times Trump has said one thing, and the opposite of it, the number of promises that have gone unmet, I fail to understand why anyone would take what he says now as having any actual meaning whatsoever. Once said, soon forgotten, it seems.
[17:52:59] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: BTW, I just happened upon this and think you might find it... interesting! https://www.arrantpedantry.com
[17:53:00] <upstart> ^ 03September | 2019 | Arrant Pedantry
[17:53:22] <Bytram> Ooops wrong link. Try this one: https://www.arrantpedantry.com
[17:53:23] <upstart> ^ 03The Style Guide Alignment Chart
[17:56:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> I like both links. Thanks.
[17:58:15] <Bytram> Thought you might! You're welcome!
[17:58:19] <chromas> I can see why Bytram didn't go into politics
[17:58:34] <Bytram> Here's another that is near, and dear, to my heart: https://www.arrantpedantry.com
[17:58:35] <upstart> ^ 03Is the Oxford Comma Ungrammatical?
[17:59:25] <chromas> Yes, yes and yes
[18:00:50] <Bytram> I have seen a number of sentences where the *omission* of a serial comma (The Oxford Comma) introduces ambiguity, but I have not yet ever seen even one example where it's *inclusion* has caused ambiguity.
[18:01:00] <Bytram> =g Eats shoots and leaves
[18:01:01] <upstart> https://www.amazon.com - Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation
[18:01:18] <Bytram> =g to my parents, the pope and mother teresa
[18:01:19] <upstart> https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org - Commas
[18:01:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> Woot! Building management finally has someone lined up for the coffee shop space in the lobby.
[18:01:27] <Bytram> yays!
[18:07:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 15-Ton, 2-Story Tall, Gasoline-Powered, Car-Smashing, Piloted Giant Battle Robot for Sale on Ebay - https://sylnt.us - that's-so-American
[18:09:52] <Bytram> Just got a call that my car is fixed and am on my way to get it. Going to be unavailable for at least an hour or so.
[18:10:01] <Bytram> Catch ya all later!
[19:27:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ancient DNA Traces The Black Death To Russia’s Volga Region - https://sylnt.us - not-why-it's-called-the-Black-Sea
[19:57:50] <FatPhil> https://www.geeksaresexy.net
[19:57:50] <upstart> ^ 03The Largest Unofficial Dice Roll In History: 216,000 Dice Spill from a Truck
[19:58:02] <FatPhil> chromas--
[19:58:02] <Bender> karma - chromas: 259
[19:58:03] <FatPhil> chromas--
[19:58:03] <Bender> karma - chromas: 258
[19:58:04] <FatPhil> chromas--
[19:58:04] <Bender> karma - chromas: 257
[19:58:23] <FatPhil> for your three "yes"s above.
[20:04:09] <FatPhil> criminey - all those style guides are terrible! not sure what alignment "terrible" is. Yes, even Chicago, I know it, as we have to conform to it on a lot of the stuff that goes through our hands.
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[20:49:23] <Bytram> FatPhil: Question for you wrt something that has been puzzling me for decades: Should it be "Tell me who is the best?" or "Tell me whom is the best?" Is the 3rd word the object of the verb "tell" or the subject of the phrase "is the best"?
[20:49:26] <Bytram> =)
[20:49:50] <Bytram> Specifically brought to ming by the Door's "Tell me who do you love?"
[20:52:56] <Bytram> s/g/d/
[20:52:57] <exec> <Bytram> Specifically broudht to ming by the Door's "Tell me who do you love?"
[20:57:41] <Bytram> gah!
[20:57:43] <Bytram> s/g/d/2
[20:57:56] <Bytram> Specifically brought to mind by the Door's "Tell me who do you love?"
[21:05:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Artificial Blood Storable for a Year Shows Efficacy in Rabbits - https://sylnt.us - I-prefer-to-store-my-blood-internally
[21:11:49] <Bytram> #roll
[21:11:49] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:11:57] <Bytram> #roll 10d6
[21:11:57] <MrPlow> pass 1: 40
[21:12:03] <Bytram> #roll 1d6
[21:12:03] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5
[21:12:09] <Bytram> #roll 1d6
[21:12:10] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5
[21:12:11] <Bytram> #roll 1d6
[21:12:11] <MrPlow> pass 1: 2
[21:12:11] <Bytram> #roll 1d6
[21:12:11] <MrPlow> pass 1: 2
[21:12:12] <Bytram> #roll 1d6
[21:12:12] <MrPlow> pass 1: 2
[21:12:12] <Bytram> #roll 1d6
[21:12:12] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5
[21:12:16] <Bytram> #roll 1d600
[21:12:16] <MrPlow> pass 1: 529
[21:12:24] <Bytram> #roll 20d600
[21:12:25] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5749
[21:12:39] <Bytram> #roll 20d600
[21:12:39] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6483
[21:12:39] <Bytram> #roll 20d600
[21:12:39] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6059
[21:12:40] <Bytram> #roll 20d600
[21:12:40] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6239
[21:12:46] <Bytram> 200d60
[21:12:54] <Bytram> #roll 200d60
[21:12:54] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6165
[21:12:56] <Bytram> #roll 200d60
[21:12:56] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6525
[21:12:57] <Bytram> #roll 200d60
[21:12:57] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6556
[21:13:14] <Bytram> #roll 2000d6
[21:13:14] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6855
[21:13:15] <Bytram> #roll 2000d6
[21:13:15] <MrPlow> pass 1: 7003
[21:13:17] <Bytram> #roll 2000d6
[21:13:17] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6851
[21:13:28] <Bytram> #roll 2d6000
[21:13:28] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5541
[21:13:30] <Bytram> #roll 2d6000
[21:13:30] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5083
[21:13:36] <Bytram> #roll 1d12000
[21:13:36] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:13:39] <Bytram> #roll 1d12000
[21:13:40] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:13:46] <Bytram> #roll 1d1000
[21:13:46] <MrPlow> pass 1: 360
[21:13:53] <Bytram> #roll 1d2000
[21:13:53] <MrPlow> pass 1: 1064
[21:13:57] <Bytram> #roll 1d3000
[21:13:57] <MrPlow> pass 1: 2011
[21:13:58] <Bytram> #roll 1d3000
[21:13:58] <MrPlow> pass 1: 910
[21:13:59] <Bytram> #roll 1d3000
[21:13:59] <MrPlow> pass 1: 156
[21:14:02] <Bytram> #roll 1d3000
[21:14:02] <MrPlow> pass 1: 1507
[21:14:08] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:08] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5329
[21:14:11] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:11] <MrPlow> pass 1: 3610
[21:14:12] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:12] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5972
[21:14:13] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:13] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6858
[21:14:15] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:15] <MrPlow> pass 1: 2573
[21:14:18] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:18] <MrPlow> pass 1: 4203
[21:14:19] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:19] <MrPlow> pass 1: 7192
[21:14:25] <Bytram> #roll 1d12000
[21:14:25] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:14:32] <Bytram> #roll 1d10000
[21:14:32] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:14:39] <Bytram> #roll 1d9999
[21:14:39] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:14:43] <Bytram> #roll 1d9990
[21:14:43] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:14:48] <Bytram> #roll 1d9100
[21:14:48] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:14:54] <Bytram> #roll 1d9001
[21:14:55] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:14:58] <Bytram> #roll 1d9000
[21:14:58] <MrPlow> pass 1: 5137
[21:15:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> trying to break the bot again?
[21:15:20] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[21:15:29] <Bytram> #roll 216000d6
[21:15:29] <MrPlow> chromas, is that you? stop being a wiseass.
[21:15:36] <Bytram> awww, come on!
[21:15:52] <Bytram> I was writing a story and wanted to kudows to MrPlow!
[21:16:08] <Bytram> A truck carrying about 432,000 dice from Trivium Studios took a turn a little too sharply on Interstate 75 in Atlanta, causing half the load to spill out, about 216,000 D6.
[21:16:23] <Bytram> ^^^ from: https://www.geeksaresexy.net
[21:16:31] <Bytram> So, was *going* to write:
[21:17:00] <Bytram> Pffft! MrPlow says: #roll 216000d6 whatever
[21:17:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[21:17:20] <Bytram> but it won't let me. ::sadface::
[21:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to limit it to avoid overflows
[21:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't ask why 9000. i forgot.
[21:18:16] <Bytram> K
[21:18:26] <Bytram> Oh, wait
[21:18:42] <Bytram> is the total defined as an unsigned in 16?
[21:19:00] <Bytram> is the total defined as an unsigned *int* 16?
[21:19:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea
[21:20:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout to go listen to a 12yo toot on her oboe though, so no time to edit n recompile
[21:20:17] <Bytram> 9999 * 6 == 59994 which would get up really really close to 65536.
[21:20:44] <Bytram> I have friend who could play the oboe professionally... amazing to listen to
[21:20:51] <Bytram> #yt from the new world
[21:20:51] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[21:21:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, gotta go make myself fit for public consumption. back later tonight.
[21:21:25] <Bytram> I *think* there are oboes in that. Much more certain that there are french horns.
[21:21:33] <Bytram> laters
[21:24:36] <Bytram> #roll 100d6
[21:24:36] <MrPlow> pass 1: 381
[21:24:42] <Bytram> #roll 100d6
[21:24:42] <MrPlow> pass 1: 318
[21:24:43] <Bytram> #roll 100d6
[21:24:43] <MrPlow> pass 1: 344
[21:24:44] <Bytram> #roll 100d6
[21:24:44] <MrPlow> pass 1: 349
[21:28:02] <FatPhil> Bytram: Tell me (who is the best).
[21:29:07] <Bytram> so the "who" is the subject of the phrase "who is the best?" which, in turn, is the direct object of the transitive verb "tell"?
[21:29:45] <FatPhil> Not sure if this is a legit mnemonic, but perhaps: "Tell me [the name of the person] who is the best"
[21:30:41] <Bytram> is the tense transitive(not sure if that is the right word)
[21:30:45] <Bytram> She is the best
[21:30:50] <Bytram> The best is she.
[21:31:00] <FatPhil> "is" isn't a normal verb
[21:31:06] <Bytram> Mary is the best.
[21:31:11] <Bytram> The best is Mary
[21:31:16] <Bytram> no kidding!
[21:32:15] <Bytram> Is that why it is called an irregular verb?
[21:32:23] <Bytram> =g irregular verb
[21:32:24] <upstart> https://www.englishpage.com - Irregular Verbs | ENGLISH PAGE
[21:32:33] <FatPhil> it's deeper than that
[21:32:54] <FatPhil> most of the "irregular" verbs are what are also called "strong" verbs
[21:32:56] <Bytram> Yep
[21:33:24] <FatPhil> strong verbs have their own special conjugations, and don't follow the normal rules.
[21:33:49] <Bytram> =g strong verbs
[21:33:50] <upstart> https://jerryjenkins.com - The Ultimate Strong Verbs List That'll Supercharge Your Writing
[21:33:59] <Bytram> that's prolly not it
[21:34:09] <Bytram> =g strong verbs -jerry
[21:34:10] <upstart> https://www.enchantingmarketing.com - THE List of Strong Verbs to Make Your Content Pop, Fizz & Sparkle
[21:34:23] <Bytram> gak!
[21:34:23] <FatPhil> But is is not just that, it's also a modal (or auxiliary), which means that it has gramatical roles that other verbs can't take.
[21:34:42] * Bytram is almost sorry he even asked!
[21:34:56] <Bytram> linking verbs?
[21:35:04] <FatPhil> https://www.thoughtco.com
[21:35:05] <upstart> ^ 03Telling the Difference Between a 'Weak Verb' and a 'Strong Verb'
[21:35:21] <FatPhil> they do link, indeed
[21:35:25] <Bytram> I recall there is a "group" of them "is are was were being been"
[21:35:32] <Bytram> It's the missing link!
[21:35:34] <Bytram> ;)
[21:35:56] <FatPhil> they modify time, remoteness, or some other property of the verb that they are modifying.
[21:36:10] <FatPhil> "will" creates a synthetic future tense, for example.
[21:36:44] <Bytram> So weak verbs obey: verb, verbing, verbed
[21:37:08] <FatPhil> "might" reduces certainty, "ought" adds obligation, etc.
[21:37:38] <Bytram> Ahhhh, thanks bunches for the *examples*
[21:40:30] <FatPhil> Different scholars approach modality differently, there's no "bible" ragarding them.
[21:41:31] <Bytram> Fascinating! https://www.thoughtco.com
[21:41:32] <upstart> ^ 03What Are Irregular Verbs in English?
[21:42:28] <FatPhil> And of course, being the consumate breaker of things, I managed to find counter examples to the rules in university-level textbooks on language.
[21:42:54] <Bytram> Hey! Wait! That's *my* job!
[21:42:57] <Bytram> ~blame
[21:42:58] * exec points at Bytram
[21:43:03] <Bytram> =)
[21:43:05] <FatPhil> (English is the subject I did worst at my entire school career, I hated it)
[21:43:36] <Bytram> Looks like you did well enough to remember far more than most people ever even learn!
[21:44:01] <FatPhil> It was only half way through my university spell that the world of language just exploded before my eyes and I started questioning and discovering.
[21:44:33] <FatPhil> Almost everything I know I learnt long after I left school.
[21:44:34] <Bytram> O.M.G. ROfL!
[21:44:40] <Bytram> =g "Verbs Is Funny"
[21:44:40] <upstart> https://www.thoughtco.com - Definition and Examples of Irregular Verbs
[21:44:52] <FatPhil> Apart from a bit of Latin, which i also hated.
[21:44:55] <Bytram> =g "Verbs Is Funny" -thoughtco
[21:44:55] <upstart> http://www.bbc.co.uk - BBC Learning English | For Teachers | Your ideas
[21:45:32] <Bytram> =g "Verbs Is Funny" "But milk is skimmed and seldom skum"
[21:45:33] <upstart> http://www.anvari.org - Verbs Is Fun
[21:45:59] * Bytram is reminded of "The Chaos"
[21:47:18] <Bytram> seems to be a dead link?
[21:47:26] <Bytram> whereto? http://www.anvari.org
[21:47:50] <FatPhil> Anyway, on top of being strong, and an auxiliary, to be has even more weirdness that sets it apart from other verbs. I don't know the name for that property.
[21:48:07] <Bytram> =g "Verbs Is Funny" "But milk is skimmed and seldom skum" -anvari
[21:48:08] <upstart> https://www.thoughtco.com - Definition and Examples of Irregular Verbs
[21:48:16] <Bytram> =g "Verbs Is Funny" "But milk is skimmed and seldom skum" -anvari -thoughtco
[21:48:17] <upstart> https://saintexupery6.wordpress.com - grammar exercises | Saint Exupery 6
[21:48:58] <Bytram> I must admit I learned far more about English grammar from studying German, than I did strictly from studying English.
[21:49:26] <FatPhil> Presumably many indoeuropean languages share some of the weird properties, as Latin (on the Italic branch) and English (on the Germanic branch) both share the "nominitive is nominitive" pattern.
[21:50:02] <FatPhil> "It is I" is formally correct, "It is me" is a vulgarity.
[21:50:39] <Bytram> Yep, that one is familiar!
[21:50:39] <FatPhil> The seeds for my interest in language were indeed planted by my 3 years of Latin. They took a very long time to germinate.
[21:51:43] <Bytram> In German, if someone calls on you in class, instead of asking "me?" (Did you call on me?) It would be appropriate to say "I?" (Am I to be the one who should respond?)
[21:52:08] <Bytram> Just needed sufficient fertilizer, aka, manure.
[21:53:10] <FatPhil> c.f. latin "Sextus puer est, Aurelia puella est."
[21:53:32] <FatPhil> Being a posh twat, I'd say "moi?"
[21:53:49] <Bytram> You and Miss Piggy!
[21:54:10] <FatPhil> Pretencious!? Moi?
[21:54:23] <Bytram> Non!
[21:54:43] <Bytram> Nae, no, never! Nae no never no more!
[21:57:21] <FatPhil> How do you make money mining cryptos?
[21:57:28] <FatPhil> On the insurance: https://mobile.twitter.com
[21:57:29] <upstart> ^ 03Twitter
[22:06:24] <Bytram> FatPhil: thanks for the fascinating, and entertaining, chat1
[22:06:28] <Bytram> FatPhil: thanks for the fascinating, and entertaining, chat!
[22:12:31] <Bytram> think I'm going to take a nap
[22:12:41] <Bytram> laters
[22:35:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Echolocation in Blind People Reveals the Brain's Adaptive Powers - https://sylnt.us - didn't-hear-that-coming
[23:08:28] <chromas> FatPhil: Making money mining cryptos is pretty easy
[23:08:56] <chromas> 0: Be a utility company 1: install miners at people's houses to increase their power bill 2: profit!
[23:45:14] <Runaway1956> =submit https://hackaday.com
[23:45:15] <upstart> Submitting "Amazing Open Source Quadruped Capable Of Dynamic Motion"...
[23:45:28] <Runaway1956> complete with pretty cool video
[23:45:37] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Amazing Open Source Quadruped Capable Of Dynamic Motion" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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