#soylent | Logs for 2020-02-07

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[00:17:14] <carny> https://www.nbcnews.com
[00:17:18] <systemd> ^ 03Chinese doctor who raised alarm over coronavirus dies from disease, hospital confirms
[00:17:33] <carny> they tried to censor him too
[00:57:55] <FatPhil> Yeah, when he was doing everything right, fucking CCP shut him down using a very big hammer.
[00:58:18] <FatPhil> Some people are saying that china's handling this well, I have no idea where they got that idea from.
[00:58:44] <FatPhil> I still don't believe a single statistic coming out from official sources.
[00:59:42] <FatPhil> Not enough noise in the signal, looks faked (google "Benford's Law", for example, even though this data is cooked in a different way)
[01:02:53] <FatPhil> we have friends with family in the wuhan region, but they're not so internet connected, so we can't get the inside skinny.
[01:36:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clearview AI Hit with Cease-And-Desist from Google, Facebook Over Facial Recognition Collection - https://sylnt.us - '1984'-is-not-supposed-to-be-an-instruction-manual
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[03:32:49] <carny> FatPhil: somebody was saying that the official stats had the mortality rate at exactly 3.1% with no variance between press releases until they decided it was too high
[03:33:02] <carny> then it became 2.1% from then on
[03:34:29] <carny> still no daily soylent update
[03:34:52] <carny> i guess people outside china still don't think anything important is happening
[03:41:11] * AzumaHazuki is very glad not to be living in that country
[03:41:46] <AzumaHazuki> this could very well topple their government after a while. could let enough stuff break that a civil war starts in ~5 years
[03:46:37] <Bytram> =g tencent coronavirus statistics
[03:46:38] <systemd> https://www.ccn.com - Alleged Tencent Leak Suggests Coronavirus Death Toll Spiraling to ...
[03:47:15] <Bytram> FatPhil: carny:^^^
[03:53:03] <carny> i want to comment on this article https://soylentnews.org
[03:53:03] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus news is being manipulated by pro- and anti-China actors.: SoylentNews Submission
[03:53:26] <carny> but i really want to read takyon's sub The Road to 80 TB HAMR HDDs
[03:53:40] <carny> i need the extra drive space more ;]
[03:55:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Road to 80 TB HAMR HDDs - https://sylnt.us - ♬?it's-HAMR-time!♫♬
[04:30:02] <Cascade> What's the overlap between coronavirus victims and Hong Kong protesters?
[04:30:31] <pinchy> the venn diagram is a perfect circle
[04:32:15] <chromas> Chinese Foxdie program
[04:54:26] <carny> people in hong kong are pissed that their government won't do anything to prevent infections coming over from the mainland
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[06:25:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Camera Companies can Survive the Smartphone - https://sylnt.us - smile-for-the-camera!
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[08:16:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The CIA’s Infamous, Unsolved Cryptographic Puzzle Gets a ‘Final Clue’ - https://sylnt.us
[08:33:12] <chromas> https://www.thedrive.com
[08:33:13] <systemd> ^ 03Iranian Minister Tried To Pass Off A $20 Halloween Costume As A Real Spacesuit
[08:35:16] <FatPhil> carny: fixing the ratio is hard to distinguish from fixing the growth rate, so it makes little sense in a context of them clearly fixing numbers to claim that it's one of the derived properties they're fixing rather than the other.
[08:38:59] <FatPhil> questions, questions, ... If the incinerators are reportedly running non-stop at capacity, and can cope with 200 bodies a day, why's the reported death rate still only in the 70s?
[08:42:38] <FatPhil> mods are weird... me: 'x doesn't mean y'; a: 'my system's x has y'; b: 'you can have x without y'; mods: 'b++'; me, to myself: 'wha? that's what I said!'.
[08:42:42] <FatPhil> coffee++
[08:42:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5100
[09:21:33] <carny> https://youtu.be
[09:21:35] <systemd> ^ 03Why Electronic Voting Is Still A Bad Idea ( https://www.youtube.com )
[09:21:49] <carny> FatPhil: did estonia upgrade their e-voting systems?
[09:22:23] <carny> if you want to see the previous version it's https://youtu.be
[09:22:24] <systemd> ^ 03Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile ( https://www.youtube.com )
[09:22:30] <FatPhil> we upgraded our ID cards last year, and the year before, ...
[09:22:52] <carny> right there was a major vuln in the chips of the smart cards right?
[09:23:05] <carny> right right right
[09:23:40] <FatPhil> ~60 bits of entropy in the (random number generating the) key rather than hundreds, yes.
[09:24:03] <FatPhil> We should have fucking sued and got every fucking cent back from the idiot incompetent vendors, IMHO.
[09:24:43] <FatPhil> this is why all software should come with source, the sloppiness could have been spotted much earlier.
[09:25:21] <FatPhil> if there's any security in the source, then you're doing security wrong, and probably that means there's no security even in the source.
[09:25:32] <carny> yeah i don't believe in coincidences like that any more
[09:25:54] <carny> i just assume bad intent on some person's part until proven otherwise
[09:26:33] <FatPhil> I've been a softie all my life, I blame incompetence, as I've seen so much of it.
[09:28:09] <carny> cui bono trumps incompetence
[09:28:37] <janrinok> carny, there will be no daily update - we have given links to the sites that are running constant reporting
[09:31:51] <janrinok> if you have any _verifiable_ information that you wish to share then we would welcome the submission.
[09:33:17] <FatPhil> this has reasonably up-to-date numbers, and links to stories about the most important changes: https://www.worldometers.info
[09:33:34] * FatPhil watches vids on electronic voting...
[09:34:32] <FatPhil> his first complaint fails for paper voting too, so ...
[09:34:47] <chromas> put up a giant "carnywatch 2020" corona counter
[09:34:53] <chromas> as a banner on top of the site
[09:36:09] <janrinok> I've got no problem with that as long as it shows verifiable information. But there is too much speculation and trolling on the 'webs' to be reporting it all. We are a discussion site rather than a news site.
[09:36:59] <FatPhil> carny: oh, we don't have electronic voting machines. if you turn up in person to the polling station, you vote on paper.
[09:37:10] <janrinok> If the community wants up-to-date news reporting they are going to have to start paying the editors to man the site 24/7
[09:37:15] <FatPhil> evoting's on your PC
[09:37:34] <FatPhil> there's no need for SN to be a ticker site.
[09:37:43] <janrinok> agreed
[09:38:31] <janrinok> I think chromas was being a touche sarcastic.... I hope....
[09:44:52] <carny> https://i.imgur.com
[09:46:19] <janrinok> ... not sure what that is related to
[09:50:28] <janrinok> carny, we have discussed the coronavirus topic (29 Jan) and it received 84 comments. There were 3 other topics that day that received even more comments. Nobody is underestimating the potential of a coronavirus pandemic, and we understand the ramifications of such an even if it were to occur. But it is not the most important issue that the majority of our community are currently discussing.
[09:52:12] <janrinok> When there are significant changes that affect the majority of our community then we will probably report those changes and discuss it again. Until then we will continue to watch the reporting and look at the submissions that we receive to form the basis of our story selection each day.
[09:53:17] <janrinok> If the submissions contain anything new - other than changes to simple statistics - then it will be reviewed by the editors and processed accordingly
[09:54:38] <janrinok> You can use your journal if you wish to discuss it more frequently
[10:08:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - When Your Used Car is a Little Too ‘Mobile’ - https://sylnt.us - tattle-tale
[10:46:12] <FatPhil> wooooooh!
[10:46:36] <FatPhil> robot dealing with suspicious package in the town square...
[11:01:06] <inz> FatPhil, are robots taking over the duties of flashers too?
[11:36:39] <FatPhil> doesn't sound so exciting to me, that's a job for humans
[11:38:07] <FatPhil> ahhh, that's me sated. I just had a glorious bit of deer for lunch. that doesn't come round particularly frequently on the lunch specials.
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[13:48:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tennessee Bill Aims to Have Internet Providers Automatically Block Porn on All Devices - https://sylnt.us - porn-wants-to-be-free
[13:56:22] <FatPhil> Buzz is in TN, isn't he?
[13:59:20] <janrinok> Yep
[14:59:28] <chromas> Not getting the floods the emergency alert promised
[15:01:45] <janrinok> UK has storm warnings for this weekend - hope that we are unlucky too and that nothing happens....
[15:02:41] <chromas> We had a bit of snow and then it started raining, so the hills are trying to export runoff too fast
[15:03:21] <chromas> other people got floods, but like most fun weather, it went around us I guess
[15:31:16] <Runaway1956> You have 33 potions of restore life levels.
[15:32:53] <chromas> and I'm not sharing
[15:33:14] <Runaway1956> So, about those crevices . . .
[15:33:43] <FatPhil> ~gday Runaway1956
[15:33:52] <FatPhil> bots--
[15:33:52] <Bender> karma - bots: -12
[15:34:05] <Bytram> coffee++
[15:34:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5101
[15:34:18] <Runaway1956> bots++
[15:34:18] <Bender> karma - bots: -11
[15:34:30] <Runaway1956> they'll go down in a heartbeat, and you don't even have to pay them
[15:34:50] <FatPhil> they'll electrocute you in the process
[15:35:11] <Runaway1956> I've heard things from the kink communities
[15:35:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shelter, Safest Air Intake Locations During Urban Pollution Events Identified - https://sylnt.us - breathe-easier
[15:37:28] <FatPhil> the most recent episode of /8 out of 10 cats/ from the UK touched, quite physically, on such matters a few days ago.
[15:37:46] <Runaway1956> I think that I'd like to submit this sentence for evaluation:
[15:37:52] <Runaway1956> Monitoring air quality in urban areas can be very important due to urban areas.
[15:38:03] <FatPhil> guilty
[15:39:13] <FatPhil> due to [the number of people who will be affected by poor air quality in] urban areas?
[15:40:09] <FatPhil> but the trailing 3 words of that are redundant
[15:40:24] <Runaway1956> THAT might make sense. As the sentence exists in TFS, it makes no sense.
[15:40:42] <Runaway1956> And, I'm not stooping to reading TFA.
[15:43:29] * Runaway1956 wonders if he should go to bed, or sit and wobble while pretending he is not tired
[15:44:47] <Bytram> Runaway1956: Monitoring air quality in urban areas can be very important due to [pollution generated in] urban areas.
[15:45:26] <Runaway1956> That makes sense Bytram. Did you go to TFA to get that?
[15:45:41] * Runaway1956 hopes not - that would entail demerits
[15:50:17] <Runaway1956> Words of wisdom from the wife's Facebook
[15:50:37] <Runaway1956> "Before you start popping your bubblewrap, remember that the air in in came from China."
[15:50:55] <Runaway1956> Now, we've figured out the Coronavirus vector.
[15:51:24] <FatPhil> That was a doctor who plot, wasn't it?
[15:51:52] <Runaway1956> Probly - Dr who was on for so long, they've used up all the plots.
[15:52:13] <FatPhil> https://tardis.fandom.com
[15:52:14] <systemd> ^ 03Bubble wrap | Tardis | Fandom
[15:52:31] * Bytram has spent far too many years reviewing specifications and documents and programs... filling in what was *meant* versus what was "actually provided". It's generally not enough to just report "this is wrong"; better to report what is wrong and suggest a solution.
[15:55:29] <FatPhil> a huge chunk of what passes through our hands recently has been academic theses and papers, the number of times we have to fix not just spelling/grammar but also logic is terrible.
[15:55:50] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:55:52] <FatPhil> sometimes I think "these fuckers don't deserve their degrees"!
[15:56:53] <Runaway1956> Now, now, FatPhil - they paid good bribe money for those degrees.
[15:57:11] <Bytram> It is sad, but I can rarely read through an entire journal article without encountering spelling and grammar mistakes... and I am far from being a "subject matter expert" on any of them!
[15:59:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's never enough to report "this is wrong" - always also report in what way it is wrong.
[15:59:27] <FatPhil> what's wrong with it? it makes no bloody sense!
[15:59:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> "Value X in report Y is wrong." "Okay, what should it be and how do you know it should be that?"
[15:59:58] <FatPhil> however, providing the two most likely competing interpretations for them to chose the one they really meant is usually the best solution.
[16:00:21] <chromas> !grab Runaway1956
[16:00:21] <Bender> Added quote 942
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[16:21:00] <FatPhil> "A Royal Caribbean cruise ship that has 12 passengers quarantined over fears of coronavirus has docked in Bayonne, New Jersey, this morning with ambulances on the scene. The passengers of the ship are all Chinese nationals" - good luck, America, it was nice knowing you!
[16:27:33] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: Agreed! In an actual bug report, I would list each action, what was expected from doing that, and what was actually observed along each of the steps leading up to the failure situation.
[16:29:34] <FatPhil> Works as designed. WONTFIX
[16:32:37] <Bytram> Common communication pathway between development and QA: Development: "Fixed; not tested". QA: "Tested; not fixed."
[16:35:10] <Bytram> Which actually shows a breakdown at an interface. Ideally, QA/test helps provide tools that development can run so that *they* can assess the state of their programming. It should NOT be the case that a new release is provided to QA/test who alone performs the testing. Get the feedback as early in the development process as possible!
[16:35:37] <Bytram> That said, time for me to take a break and get a bit to eat... back in a while
[16:35:39] <Bytram> afk
[16:42:33] <Bytram> NOW, know what you all were talking about with the quoting of: "Monitoring air quality in urban areas can be very important due to urban areas."
[16:43:01] <Bytram> If someone had told me it was actually a line taken from our stories, I could have fixed it right away!
[16:43:35] <FatPhil> [its elevated levels in] also fits in the gap
[16:44:16] <Bytram> There were two anchors, each with extra attributes in them, which messed up the bot's quoting of the original. Text now reads:
[16:44:35] <Bytram> Monitoring air quality in urban areas can be very important due to <a href="https://phys.org/tags/high+population+density/" title="phys.org">high population density</a> and levels of particulates. Street canyons, or places where the street is bounded on both sides by buildings, are important locations for studying air pollution because they are prevalent in <a href="https://phys.org/tags/urban+areas/" title="phys.org">urban
[16:44:35] <Bytram> areas</a>.
[16:45:46] <Bytram> Each of those anchor tags *also* contained these attributes: rel="tag" class="textTag"
[16:46:27] <Bytram> Changes made and story updated: https://soylentnews.org
[16:46:29] <systemd> ^ 03Shelter, Safest Air Intake Locations During Urban Pollution Events Identified - SoylentNews
[16:47:30] <Bytram> okay, now I will take a break for realz.. laterz.
[16:48:39] <FatPhil> the bot's not very good at <a>s
[16:56:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shelter, Safest Air Intake Locations During Urban Pollution Events Identified [Updated] - https://sylnt.us - breathe-easier
[17:00:04] <chromas> Yeah, it should be stripping those ones out
[17:00:19] <chromas> no reason for tag links
[17:00:38] <chromas> (in our copypastas)
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[17:05:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pluto's Icy Heart Makes Winds Blow - https://sylnt.us - perhaps-we-can-melt-its-icy-heart-with-a-cool-island-song.-or-cool-its-hot-heart-with-a-fresh-island
[17:43:11] <mechanicjay> coffee++
[17:43:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5102
[17:57:29] <RandomFactor> =cite https://doi.org
[17:57:31] <systemd> An Extremely Massive Quiescent Galaxy at z = 3.493: Evidence of Insufficiently Rapid Quenching Mechanisms in Theoretical Models - IOPscience, <cite>The Astrophysical Journal Letters</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
[17:58:59] <RandomFactor> That's whack
[18:03:50] <RandomFactor> =cite 10.3847/2041-8213/ab5b9f
[18:03:52] <systemd> An Extremely Massive Quiescent Galaxy at z = 3.493: Evidence of Insufficiently Rapid Quenching Mechanisms in Theoretical Models - IOPscience, <cite>The Astrophysical Journal Letters</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
[18:03:57] <RandomFactor> Still whack
[18:06:34] <Bytram> =cite https://doi.org
[18:06:34] <systemd> Error: DOI Not Found, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
[18:06:43] <Bytram> =g "doi:10.1126/science.abb2121"
[18:06:43] <systemd> [0 results]
[18:06:50] <Bytram> =g "10.1126/science.abb2121"
[18:06:51] <systemd> [0 results]
[18:07:17] <Bytram> =cite https://www.sciencemag.org
[18:07:18] <systemd> Scientists discover virus with no recognizable genes, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
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[22:21:03] <FatPhil> go to the fucking pub(s), come back, see I've got 9 new messages. Leave me alone, people, leave me alone!
[22:25:16] <pinchy> what did u goto the pub for?
[23:21:24] <chromas> to get to the other side
[23:23:55] <Bytram> to get away from us?
[23:36:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Discover Virus with No Recognizable Genes - https://sylnt.us - how-about-a-horse-with-no-name?