#soylent | Logs for 2020-05-19

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[00:00:13] <FatPhil> an internet with no sex sounds like no internet I know of.
[00:00:33] <FatPhil> an internot.
[00:01:07] <kyonko> you had to scan in sex or use a video capture card
[00:01:44] <FatPhil> before I saw the mind-bogglingly atrocious prequels, I rewatched the original trilogy, which was most enlightening. I realised I wasn't really a fan at all.
[00:01:58] <kyonko> i saw the 1990's re-release
[00:02:04] <kyonko> lots of pops and floaters
[00:02:24] <kyonko> so I don't need to watch SUPER GOD MODE HD in theaters
[00:03:00] <kyonko> you had to have BALLS and MONEY to watch a movie back then
[00:03:04] <kyonko> hit the american autobahn
[00:03:12] <kyonko> pray you don't die in transit
[00:05:07] <chromas> Hm, there's old slashdot emails in my gmail account that I apparently never opened
[00:05:17] <kyonko> good good
[00:05:23] <chromas> gmail's been hiding them in the Updates category, which I don't think existed back in 2013
[00:05:27] <kyonko> i remember slashdot as the original facebook
[00:05:44] <chromas> So I delete the emails from a Category, then they go to trash, where they show up to my imap client
[00:05:54] <chromas> but they didn't while marked as a category
[00:06:08] <chromas> gmail--
[00:06:08] <Bender> karma - gmail: -1
[00:06:11] <chromas> google--
[00:06:11] <Bender> karma - google: -27
[00:06:13] <kyonko> from reading slashdot since the 1990's, you can tell very few living human beings understand science
[00:06:35] <kyonko> innoculation is not the same as immunization
[00:06:40] <kyonko> but you get what you deserve
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[00:08:08] <kyonko> the exponential complexity of consumer PC hardware
[00:08:12] <chromas> heh, remember when you had to join Google+ communities to get in on Android application betas?
[00:08:31] <kyonko> i don't remember the first androids, just the motorola droid
[00:08:42] <kyonko> which why the fuck would I want one? to join facebook?
[00:09:12] <kyonko> in 2009 they still use the mini-laptop phones
[00:09:29] <chromas> Pocket porn, graphing calculator with a decent resolution, deleting spam from the waiting room
[00:09:44] <kyonko> illegal porn
[00:10:08] <kyonko> do the first androids and iphones still work?
[00:10:13] <kyonko> or have they been killed off with https?
[00:10:20] <chromas> They probably need new batteries
[00:10:51] <kyonko> an apple mac g3 beige case is so fucking slow
[00:11:04] <kyonko> but you need one for mini-dv cameras
[00:11:11] <kyonko> for _shit_ resolution
[00:12:07] <chromas> So if I want to get this SoylentNews email into my local mail server, first I have to delete it in gmail, then it shows up in the trash and I can move it over with kmail
[00:14:19] <kyonko> you have a clinton mail server?
[00:15:55] <chromas> I don't have enough emails to delete yet
[00:16:03] <kyonko> delete them good
[00:16:13] <kyonko> deep clean
[00:17:03] <chromas> It's pretty great though; I don't have to have some deeplearning dildonics deciding where to hide my mails
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[01:26:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TSMC Dumps Huawei - https://sylnt.us
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[03:46:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Pizzeria Owner Made Money Buying His Own $24 Pizzas from DoorDash for $16 - https://sylnt.us - ...we'll-make-it-up-in-volume
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[04:04:47] <SoyCow3196> =asub https://www.theguardian.com
[04:04:50] <systemd> Submitting "Can you solve it? Sudoku as spectator sport is unlikely lockdown hit"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
[04:05:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Can You Solve It? Sudoku as Spectator Sport is Unlikely Lockdown Hit" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:05:20] <SoyCow3196> =asub https://www.wired.com
[04:05:22] <systemd> Submitting "Cryptocurrency Hardware Wallets Can Get Hacked Too"...
[04:05:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cryptocurrency Hardware Wallets Can Get Hacked Too" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[05:58:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Study Confirms Influential Theory Behind Loss Aversion - https://sylnt.us - double-or-nothing
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[08:07:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Platelets Exacerbate Immune Response: Clotting Cells are Also an Important Regulator of Inflammation - https://sylnt.us - clot-and-regulate
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[10:16:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Corkscrew Light Promises Higher Optical-Communication Data Rates - https://sylnt.us - illuminating
[10:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:26:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5224
[11:35:14] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:35:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5225
[11:35:35] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:35:37] * exec brazenly reticulates bewb of butterscotch chips for TheMightyBuzzard
[11:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[11:36:44] * exec transcendentally flings a wide load of hashrefs at Bytram
[11:37:00] <Bytram> you won
[11:37:57] <Bytram> looks like NCommander's story on hello world was well received, 'cept for some surprise at seeing images.
[11:38:06] <Bytram> Oh, that reminds me... brb
[11:39:51] <Bytram> s/720KB/720 KiB/
[11:39:55] <Bytram> saved
[11:43:05] * TheMightyBuzzard runs a quick s/(K|M|G|T)iB/$1B/ on the whole db
[11:47:34] <Bytram> iBooiBies?
[11:47:38] <Bytram> ;)
[11:47:55] <FatPhil> anyone know a good image search engine, google's is absolutely useless (the thumbnails show me something interesting, often on facebook, but when I click on that image, it's nowhere to be seen on the target page)
[11:49:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> 8008135++
[11:49:34] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 142
[11:49:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> FatPhil: In my experience, they are all equally awful.
[11:50:42] <Bytram> FatPhil: I generally don't do image search, but I have heard/read that Bing >> Google
[11:55:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Study Confirms Influential Theory Behind Loss Aversion [Updated] - https://sylnt.us - do-you-feel-lucky?
[11:56:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> bing appends to google?
[11:57:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> this explains much
[12:03:07] <Bytram> LOL!
[12:15:30] <Bytram> beg-o-meter updated
[12:28:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI Successfully Broke Into a Gunman’s iPhone, but Still Very Angry at Apple - https://sylnt.us - however-could-they-do-investigations-before-cell-phones?
[12:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg. spose i'd better get ready to go paint some more.
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[14:36:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Research Takes Electrons for a Spin in Moving Toward More Efficient, Higher Density Data - https://sylnt.us - taking-your-storage-for-a-spin
[15:21:43] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com just because
[15:21:44] <systemd> ^ 03Beastie Boys - Sabotage (Official Music Video)
[15:22:14] <FatPhil> I'm enjoying it, why shouldn't I share?
[16:16:46] <boru> I am in need of somewhere free to host git repos that doesn't break because of web crap every few weeks (bitbucket, currently). Are there any alternatives which aren't github or sourceforge?
[16:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, might talk to drussell
[16:29:56] <boru> Why is that?
[16:31:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> he was offering free space to SN a week or two ago
[16:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> corporate space not home connection space
[16:34:29] <boru> Well, I _can_ host git repos here, but what I wanted was some collaborative space that doesn't require the general public visiting my (untrusted) domains.
[16:34:43] <boru> Do gitlab offer hosting?
[16:35:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like
[16:35:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> features suck for free though
[16:36:04] <boru> Public/private repos is sufficient what what I need/want though, I guess.
[16:36:38] <boru> Hmm, although merge approvals would be nice.
[16:38:00] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders setting one up on SN servers
[16:38:03] <boru> Feck it, can't be worse than bitbucket's ever changing web crap.
[16:38:20] <boru> Yeah, in-house gitlab is quite useful.
[16:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i can almost guarantee ours would be never-changing not ever-changing
[16:39:14] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[16:41:09] <boru> Although, it seems that gitlab use this google captcha shite, also.
[16:41:13] * boru grumbles.
[16:41:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm betting we could disable that easily enough
[16:41:38] <boru> I think this is just their site, not the self-hosted stuff.
[16:41:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[16:42:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> gitlab's not the only web gui for repo management though
[16:42:25] <boru> I am forever having to solve that crap N times because I pipe any traffic through an obsfuscator, and then a proxy, which they always think is fishy, and ask me to give a blood sample to continue.
[16:42:51] <boru> Sure, it's not. As I said, I just want somewhere to put some projects that other people want to collaborate on, and that I don't want on my nets.
[16:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> phabricator looks kinda kickass
[16:44:59] <boru> Well, so far so good with gitlab.
[16:47:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Celiac Disease Linked to Common Chemical Pollutants - https://sylnt.us - uncomfortable-subject
[16:48:21] * boru gets migrating.
[16:57:35] <FatPhil> silly question - what's the densest thing that's easily available and dirt cheap?
[16:58:00] <boru> Uranium?
[16:58:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mercury's pretty dense but lead's cheaper
[16:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> overall though, i'd have to say twitter users
[16:59:40] <FatPhil> I want to weigh down the base of something mobile for stability.
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[17:00:25] <boru> Ah. How large?
[17:00:35] <boru> And under what sort of forces? Wind loading?
[17:00:49] <boru> What is the surface area?
[17:01:15] <FatPhil> clumsy humans, and I've got an area about 2cm*3cm*25cm I can fill
[17:02:17] <FatPhil> I have 30Kg of lead shot in my speaker stands, I guess I could just do that here too.
[17:02:30] <boru> I'd go with sand or concrete, but as TMB suggested, you could probably ram some lead in there.
[17:02:47] <boru> Yeah, head for a fishing and hunting shop, and get a bunch of lead.
[17:03:11] <boru> Not optimal (smelting would be ideal), but it'll do.
[17:03:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> lead is about $2/lb. dunno how that converts to estonia money and kg
[17:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's commodity price though not formed into useful things like fishing weights. those are pricey.
[17:04:37] <FatPhil> aha, I do know where such a shop exists, and it's in the same shopping centre as a DIY shop, so that's two changes for something.
[17:06:22] <boru> Well, if you were pressing shells, you could buy shot by bulk at fairly reasonable prices.
[17:06:38] <boru> Low quality lead shot, that is. Not zinc galvanised etc.
[17:07:22] <FatPhil> I really had no idea what king of price it would be. I can't imagine I'd need more than 5$ worth, which is perfect for something that's just a quick hacky fix.
[17:07:30] <boru> Aye.
[17:07:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. can melt it in a steel sauce pan on the stove too but i'd do it out on the grill instead. fumes.
[17:07:58] <boru> Yeah, you'd want a fume extractor for that.
[17:08:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't stick to stainless or aluminum either one, just fyi
[17:08:19] <boru> Though I probably have plenty of lead in my brain from soldering for years...
[17:08:27] <boru> Without an extractor, that is.
[17:08:59] <boru> Should melt around 273C, iirc.
[17:09:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, little under 700F
[17:09:29] <FatPhil> I guess problem -1 is to actually work out how I'm going to get stuff into the hollow frame...
[17:09:31] <boru> 327, apparently.
[17:09:32] <boru> Yeah.
[17:10:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, us mericans got all manner of rapid lead insertion mechanisms
[17:10:36] <boru> Ah, yeah, I'm thinking unleaded solder. Silly me.
[17:11:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> also interestin... if you get the lead up over 800F you can wet your hand and poke your fingers in it, quickly, without getting burned.
[17:12:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> or someone else's fingers if you're too smart to test pilot it yourself
[17:12:13] * boru chuckles.
[17:12:31] <boru> The good old days of empirical chemistry.
[17:12:43] <boru> "Does this taste like radium to you?"
[17:12:56] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[17:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> leidenfrost effect is what makes it work
[17:13:29] <FatPhil> smells like chloroform to me
[17:13:38] <boru> *Thud*
[17:15:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw it. i'm too tired to sit upright any more. ima go lay down on the couch and watch tv until i achieve nap.
[17:16:13] <FatPhil> arse, gonna need a strap-on solution, there's no way in...
[17:16:47] <boru> Is it hollow?
[17:16:50] <boru> If so, drill in?
[17:17:08] <boru> If you can't do that, then you could get some lead strips.
[17:17:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab FatPhil
[17:17:57] <Bender> Added quote 961
[17:18:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> strap-on solution...
[17:18:15] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[17:18:54] <boru> I was considering doing the same, but I spared him.
[17:19:07] <FatPhil> lead strips are what I shall aim for. anyone got a church roof?
[17:19:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully lead is extremely malleable and fabric+velcro can keep it wherever you like.
[17:19:35] <boru> Well, a hardware place should have lead flashing, and strips you'll get at a fishing tackle shop.
[17:19:39] * TheMightyBuzzard really fucks off now instead of looking at just one more meme
[17:19:48] <boru> Anywhere with roofing supplies ought to have flashing.
[17:19:57] <boru> Catch you later, TMB.
[17:21:09] <boru> You should be able to buy flashing in relatively small quantities, also, since people often need to do repairs.
[17:29:15] <FatPhil> yeah, nearest DIY store I know is quite large and covers most bases, so should have lead for flashing
[17:29:58] <boru> Good enough.
[18:35:14] <chromas> If you want something lighter than gitlab, there's gitea. It's written in Go so it's compiled, though I had it idling at around 2% cpu for some reason.
[18:36:20] <FatPhil> anything which idles at anything that isn't 0% isn't idling, just sayin'
[18:36:33] <chromas> it wasn't doing anything
[18:36:38] <chromas> probably masturbating
[18:37:13] <FatPhil> when I see things fail to idle, I normally run strace over them, and then uninstall them.
[18:37:16] <chromas> maybe it needs a sleep() inserted somewhere
[18:37:31] <FatPhil> more likely a *poll or select()
[18:38:55] <FatPhil> there was a really simple program I used to use that depended on 2 different libraries for input (curses, and something networky), and it would repeatedly bounce between doing a poll() for/in one and a select() for/in the other.
[18:40:10] <FatPhil> one of my plans was to unify the two loops so that it could properly idle - I used it on my phone - but the data source dried up, so it became redundant.
[18:41:00] <chromas> best way to solve the problem I guess
[18:42:57] <chromas> I'm using a phabricator instance now. It's alright, but it's weird. Each thing (repo, wiki) is it's own little application and they vaguely reference each other. For example, I can tag a repo with a project, but going to the project doesn't show related repos
[18:43:36] <FatPhil> sounds phantastic
[18:43:46] * chromas nods in php
[18:44:04] <chromas> Oh yeah, it was started as a Facebook project, so that probably explains a few things
[18:45:53] <FatPhil> yet more reasons to hate phacebook
[18:47:03] <chromas> =feature add rss feed
[18:47:06] <systemd> 👍 https://phab.zeroindex.org
[18:47:18] <chromas> But it's got bot integration :D
[18:48:06] <chromas> (of course, all the alternatives have apis, too)
[18:50:12] <FatPhil> can it send email?
[18:52:06] <chromas> it can
[18:52:19] <FatPhil> good good, that's all I needed to know
[18:52:20] <chromas> that issue I made with the bot just sent me one
[18:52:36] <chromas> it uses either sendmail or an smtp server
[19:08:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AG Barr Seeks 'Legislative Solution' to Make Companies Unlock Phones - https://sylnt.us - gettin-the-camel's-nose-under-the-tent
[19:27:56] <pinchy> muh zionist christian crap
[19:28:02] <pinchy> ZCC
[19:42:39] <Cascade> Jews for Jesus?
[20:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, you'd think something with no heavy lifting or having to really get any elbow grease out like painting walls wouldn't be so hurty on the body.
[20:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably would have been less ouchy if i hadn't done seven hundred or so square feet in two hours
[20:46:05] <chromas> If you had a laptop with a touchscreen then you'd be used to reaching out all the time and painting would be a breeze
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[21:16:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Judge Denies Shkreli's “Delusional Self-Aggrandizing” Plea to Get Out of Jail - https://sylnt.us - oh-the-humanity!
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[23:26:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Reverses BIOS Decision, Intends to Support Zen 3 on B450 and X470 Motherboards - https://sylnt.us - moah-powah
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