#soylent | Logs for 2020-08-18

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[00:01:59] <RandomFactor> =submit Egon warned us https://phys.org
[00:02:00] <exec> └─ 13First ever observation of 'time crystals' interacting
[00:02:03] <systemd> Submitting "First ever observation of 'time crystals' interacting"...
[00:02:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03First Ever Observation of 'Time Crystals' Interacting" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[02:16:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Determine 'Oumuamua Isn't Made From Molecular Hydrogen Ice After All - https://sylnt.us
[04:28:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Architecture Day 2020: Tiger Lake, Alder Lake, Discrete GPUs, and More - https://sylnt.us - gimme
[05:33:50] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
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[06:36:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's Asteroid Mission Completes Final Test Before Sampling Run - https://sylnt.us - "touchy"-mission
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[08:47:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A College Student Used GPT-3 to Write a Fake Blog Post that Ended Up at the Top of Hacker News - https://sylnt.us - coming-to-a-PHB-near-you?
[08:48:28] <chromas> What if the blog post about the blogpost is actually the fake blog post?
[08:52:16] <chromas> "A College Student Used GPT-3 to Write a Fake Article About a Fake Blog Post that Ended Up at the Top of Hacker News that Ended Up at the Top of SoylentNews"
[08:52:50] <FatPhil> Imagine you bite into an apple and find a beheaded maggot. Yuck! But it could have been worse. Had you found only half a maggot, you’d have eaten more of it. Worse still, you may have found only a quarter of a maggot, or a hundredth, or a thousandth. Indeed, if you take the limit maggot to zero, the worst possible case must be biting into an apple and not finding a maggot.
[09:10:48] <carny> what kind of rotting hell hole do you live in where maggots get into apples? ;]
[09:13:53] <FatPhil> mine's the pessimal case - I always find no maggot!
[10:13:27] <Ingar> aaaand the spam is back
[10:15:06] <Ingar> aren't maggots a good source of proteine ?
[10:30:56] <FatPhil> in the 22nd century, they'll be an essential source of protein
[10:40:42] <carny> pretty funny how a hacker news reader points out that the post looks like ai generated garbage and he gets jumped on by a hall monitor and told not to criticize
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[10:46:31] <SoyCow4502> That's hacker news for you
[10:47:51] <SoyCow4502> Those spam comments seem to have incredibly similar text to the last round
[10:56:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New IBM POWER10 Processor Has Transparent Memory Encryption for End-to-End Security - https://sylnt.us
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[10:57:38] <carny> what do you think the chances are that ibm didn't put a back door into that?
[11:03:29] <Ingar> they don't have to, it is transparent!
[11:07:23] <Ingar> (yes, I just spent the better part of the morning installing Win 10. feel like a toddler now)
[11:33:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:33:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5340
[11:47:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net
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[12:10:01] <SoyGuest271828> =asub https://www.gsmarena.com
[12:10:03] <systemd> Submitting "The US bans 38 Huawei affiliate companies that evaded the Huawei ban"...
[12:10:03] <exec> └─ 13The US bans 38 Huawei affiliate companies that evaded the Huawei ban - GSMArena.com news
[12:10:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The US Bans 38 Huawei Affiliate Companies That Evaded the Huawei Ban" (6 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:11:56] <SoyGuest271828> =asub https://www.npr.org
[12:11:58] <systemd> Submitting "How Bars Are Fueling COVID-19 Outbreaks"...
[12:11:58] <exec> └─ 13How Bars Seed Coronavirus Outbreaks : Shots - Health News : NPR
[12:12:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How Bars are Fueling COVID-19 Outbreaks" (46 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:12:44] <SoyGuest271828> =asub https://www.cnet.com
[12:12:46] <exec> └─ 13Tuesday's SpaceX Starlink satellite ride share will set a new record - CNET
[12:12:46] <systemd> Submitting "Tuesday's SpaceX Starlink satellite ride share will set a new record"...
[12:13:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Tuesday's SpaceX Starlink Satellite Ride Share Will Set a New Record" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:13:24] <SoyGuest271828> =asub https://www.sciencealert.com
[12:13:25] <exec> └─ 13NASA Is Tracking a Vast, Growing Anomaly in Earth's Magnetic Field
[12:13:26] <systemd> Submitting "NASA Is Tracking a Vast, Growing Anomaly in Earth's Magnetic Field"...
[12:13:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NASA is Tracking a Vast, Growing Anomaly in Earth's Magnetic Field" (22 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:29:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i'm completely over any sympathy i had for the apk-troll
[12:30:50] <FatPhil> I can't imagine why there was non-zero sympathy in the first place.
[12:31:02] <FatPhil> complete waste of biomatter
[12:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> blah blah, liberty, blah blah, scoundrels, blah blah blah
[12:33:25] <FatPhil> at no point is sympathy necessary
[12:33:58] <FatPhil> like all humans, he has rights, but like all biomatter, he also has the right to be eaten by maggots.
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[12:38:41] <SoyGuest271828> =asub https://www.theverge.com
[12:38:43] <exec> └─ 13Students are taking gap years to avoid online class, and startups are scooping them up - The Verge
[12:38:43] <systemd> Submitting "Students are taking gap years to avoid online class, and startups are scooping them up"...
[12:39:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Students are Taking Gap Years to Avoid Online Class, and Startups are Scooping Them Up" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:59:55] <acid_andy> TMB Does Bender count how many coffees you drink?
[12:59:57] <acid_andy> coffee++
[12:59:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5341
[13:00:09] <acid_andy> Awesome
[13:00:15] <acid_andy> coffee--
[13:00:15] <Bender> karma - tea: 627
[13:00:26] <acid_andy> tea--
[13:00:26] <Bender> karma - tea: 626
[13:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't undrink coffee
[13:00:56] <acid_andy> wouldn't want to
[13:01:06] <acid_andy> even too much is not enough
[13:04:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i said i'd do it and the fucker annoyed me enough to warrant it. preemptive auto ipid bans for rampant douchebaggery bout to get coded.
[13:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> after a smoke
[13:05:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Twist on Schrödinger’s Cat Paradox Has Major Implications for Quantum Theory - https://sylnt.us - one-way-to-find-out
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[14:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> distractions--
[14:14:06] <Bender> karma - distractions: -1
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[14:36:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tuesday's SpaceX Starlink Satellite Ride Share Will Set a New Record - https://sylnt.us
[14:56:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tuesday's SpaceX Starlink Satellite Ride Sets a New Record [Update 1] - https://sylnt.us
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[15:09:42] <SoyGuest271828> =asub https://krebsonsecurity.com
[15:09:44] <systemd> Submitting "Microsoft Put Off Fixing Zero Day for 2 Years"...
[15:09:44] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft Put Off Fixing Zero Day for 2 Years — Krebs on Security
[15:10:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Microsoft Put Off Fixing Zero Day for 2 Years" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[15:17:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Secret Service Bought Location Data Pulled From Common Apps - https://sylnt.us - good-luck-with-that
[15:37:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tuesday's SpaceX Starlink Satellite Ride Sets a New Record [Updates 3] - https://sylnt.us
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[16:40:20] <RandomFactor> Azumaaaaaaa, your fan club is pooping on the threads of my perfectly cromulent subs :-(
[16:41:05] <AzumaHazuki> I noticed
[16:41:22] <AzumaHazuki> well, the admins don't have the gonads-of-their-choice to shitcan those posts, so we're stuck with it
[16:41:30] <RandomFactor> Can't we lure 'em to that site which shan't be named or something?
[16:41:48] <AzumaHazuki> no, because this is almost certainly a bot and it seems to be hopping IPs like mad
[16:42:35] <RandomFactor> i'm just going to keep repeating to myself that censorship is bad as I rock back and forth.
[16:43:23] <AzumaHazuki> that's not censorship any more than cleaning shit off the bathroom walls is germaphobia
[16:43:35] <AzumaHazuki> the term you are looking for is "quality of life"
[16:43:45] <RandomFactor> *rock* *rock* *rock*
[16:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you rather i go around banning for comments the Spam mod can handle or continue coding up an automated, preemptive, permanent ip ban system for to deal with it?
[16:44:37] <AzumaHazuki> I posted you an easy solution: since these are all identical when he posts them, match on an entire sentence rather than a few words and baleet any post that matches the entire sentence
[16:45:02] <carny_> just don't ban anonymous reading or i will be sad ;]
[16:45:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing better than that at the moment. rehash ain't got any of the underpinnings for preemptive banning or similarity matching though
[16:46:02] <Ingar> create a button "delete all spam"
[16:46:15] <AzumaHazuki> if you have to (and are very very careful) you can do this right from the sql prompt
[16:46:41] <AzumaHazuki> i am guessing each comment is stored as an SQL set in a database? with fields for name, comment ID, comment body etc
[16:46:58] <RandomFactor> I couldn't take being anon. Need my soothing amber view.
[16:46:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could, yes, but i'd rather work on a permanent solution than a bandaid
[16:47:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> two tables, one for metadata, one for text
[16:48:36] <AzumaHazuki> this is actually a very interesting realworld test of the "no censorship, as few rules as possible" ethos
[16:48:58] <AzumaHazuki> because, as I've said before, the most freedom and enjoyment for the most people does not necessarily (and indeed *cannot* if you think about it) result from such an approach
[16:49:06] <RandomFactor> *rock* *rock* *rock*
[16:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. putting a pretty high bar for matching for that very reason, even though we are not a completely free forum. we don't and never have allowed bots (aside from Bot) or spammers to comment more often than it takes to ban them.
[16:50:53] <AzumaHazuki> this is all rather well-known and even obvious from a little pure deduction though. "Tragedy of the commons," or as we put it in modern days, "this is why we can't have nice things"
[16:51:34] <pinchy> hello wall of text
[16:52:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> pinchy, s'what you get for sleeping
[16:52:06] * AzumaHazuki is just amused she apparently bothers APK enough that she gets to live rent-free in his head...though he's a shit landlord and has not been doing maintenance
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[16:53:46] <RandomFactor> Matching unique phrases with effectively zero chance of 'accidental trigger' is pretty common if you are blocking something specific in email in a corporate setting. Same principle applies in that you don't want to block unintended posts as if you don't want to block unintended emails.
[16:53:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure you do get to. could just be you're widely known for getting quite wound up. i'd just like to break all his internet devices and go on with my day not thinking about him.
[16:54:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> RandomFactor, have to allow for some idiot quoting him or discussing his nonsense
[16:54:44] <acid_andy> Since a lot of us seem to despise the idea of any comments being deleted, I think there should be a user option to hide comments of a chosen moderation (like Spam) on a separate page that isn't downloaded from the server unless you click a link.
[16:54:58] <AzumaHazuki> check to see if 1) it's in a blockquote tag AND 2) it's a toplevel comment. not perfect but helpful
[16:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> acid_andy, already on the list
[16:55:02] <chromas> new shitpost tactic: put bullshit copypasta in blockquotes
[16:55:13] <acid_andy> Nice
[16:55:36] <AzumaHazuki> there are no technological solutions to social problems. there CAN'T be because technology is a subset of society
[16:55:37] <RandomFactor> In a perfect world. I live in the corporate world. Nobody thinks it is perfect :-)
[16:55:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, not sure we even have a good html tag parsing library in rehash at the moment
[16:56:04] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, and this is already getting a little rube-goldberg
[16:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> helps to keep in mind most of this code was wrote back when win95 was still a thing being widely used.
[16:56:59] <RandomFactor> Win 95. Back when win.ini and system.ini meant something.
[16:59:15] <AzumaHazuki> there are some things i miss about those systems. I have an XP VM going in Virtualbox purely to run my MIDI sequencer
[16:59:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is to say, everything's still quite doable but has a good possibility of taking a lot longer than it should.
[16:59:46] <acid_andy> MSConfig
[17:02:30] <acid_andy> AzumaHazuki Guess it didn't work under WINE?
[17:03:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg, i need nicotine. and possibly lunch. life interrupting ain't made progress real speedy but it's about a quarter or a third done. if i can convince TR to not bug me talking about whatever political bullshit he's engrossed in today it might be ready for testing tomorrow.
[17:04:22] <acid_andy> Once you deploy it it probably won't end up being needed for years.
[17:07:29] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki: in my book, deleting spam is not censorship. it's just... deleting spam.
[17:09:54] <AzumaHazuki> acid_andy: unfortunately no. no version i have ever tried, not even the old ones that say for Win98, work
[17:15:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no native linux driver then?
[17:16:18] <AzumaHazuki> it's the program itself, Anvil Studio
[17:17:28] <Ingar> if you only use the midi/sheet music part you can try Rosegarden
[17:21:30] <AzumaHazuki> i've never been able to get used to rosegarden, though i've tried it before.
[17:21:47] <AzumaHazuki> it's the closest working thing and i'll probably have to grit my teeth and Just Do It at some point
[17:23:16] <Ingar> I can't say I'm the MIDI hero though, I prefer live play
[17:24:04] <Ingar> mostly recordings and sheet music editing
[17:25:02] <Ingar> and for the latter I usually export to LilyPond and mangle it manually
[17:25:51] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki:oth, there seems to be a recent win10/64bit version of Anvil
[17:26:23] <AzumaHazuki> yup. i'd be surprised if that works in Wine, but maybe...
[17:26:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Police to Trial Facial Recognition System That Detects Your Mood - https://sylnt.us - mood-ring
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[17:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, can't help you there. the last midi work i did was scoring a backstreet boys song for the lute in LotR Online and that was half a decade or more ago.
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[17:48:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io in case you thought i was kidding
[17:50:39] <AzumaHazuki> "Tell me wherefore I never wouldst hear thee say, 'Would heaven t'were that way?'"
[17:54:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> garnered about an equal amount of screams and guffaws
[17:55:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg, i needa nap. my coffee's wearing off
[18:38:26] <AzumaHazuki> okay, off to work. that coffee really did a number on me
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[19:28:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ariane 5 Rocket Launches 3 Spacecraft Into Orbit From Europe’s Spaceport in French Guiana - https://sylnt.us - 3-2-1-launch!
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[21:16:48] <RandomFactor> https://www.eurekalert.org
[21:16:49] <systemd> ^ 03New gene therapy approach eliminates at least 90% latent herpes simplex virus 1
[21:16:49] <exec> └─ 13New gene therapy approach eliminates at least 90% latent herpes simplex virus 1 | EurekAlert! Science News
[21:31:13] <RandomFactor> =cite 10.1038/s41467-020-17936-5
[21:31:16] <systemd> Journal Reference: Martine Aubert, Daniel E. Strongin, Pavitra Roychoudhury, et al. Gene editing and elimination of latent herpes simplex virus in vivo [open], <cite>Nature Communications</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-020-17936-5">10.1038/s41467-020-17936-5</a>)
[21:36:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - No Limit Yet for Carbon Nanotube Fibers: Lab Makes Case for High-Performance Carbon Nanotube Fibers - https://sylnt.us - very-cool
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[22:36:33] <FatPhil> the last thing I heard about carbon nanotubes turning the world on its head was something along the lines of "carbon nanotubes to detect dark matter". Sure, take my tax money for your silly experiment that will achieve nothing, I didn't need it.
[23:46:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Targeted Treatment for Depression Could Benefit Patients With Psychosis - https://sylnt.us - feeling-better-already