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[00:43:01] <Runaway1956> another monolith, this one in Cal
[00:43:13] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.startribune.com
[00:43:15] <chromas> Might be the same one
[00:43:15] <systemd> Submitting "California monolith pops up after finds in Utah, Romania"...
[00:43:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03California Monolith Pops Up After Finds in Utah, Romania" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:43:59] <chromas> Romania has a Utah too?
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[00:55:01] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[00:55:05] <systemd> Submitting "The same vision for all primates: The world's smallest primate reveals the incredible preservation of our visual system through millions of years of evolution"...
[00:55:26] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08The Same Vision for All Primates: the World's Smallest Primate Reveals the Incredible Preservation o" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:57:45] <Runaway1956> =submit https://bioengineer.org
[00:57:47] <systemd> Submitting "Physicists capture the sound of a “perfect” fluid"...
[00:58:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Physicists Capture the Sound of a “Perfect” Fluid" (29 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:01:14] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[01:07:31] <chromas> I need to learn how to use functions in shell scripts. do they have functions?
[01:16:07] <halibut> Bash does. Tcsh too, but I do not know how to use them.
[01:16:42] <halibut> I'll resist the urge to paste the famous bash fork-bomb function. Here is a simple one:
[01:17:16] <halibut> function hello () { echo "Hello, $*." ; }
[01:17:24] <halibut> Then, type: hello world
[01:17:41] <halibut> or: hello me
[01:17:53] <chromas> hello hello is there anybody out there
[01:18:16] <chromas> I just need to fix up my crappy script that starts up sedbot
[01:18:57] <chromas> hm. how about one script to join a channel and another to call it a bunch of times?
[01:20:00] <halibut> Pick what's easiest for you, I suppose. If you have might ever want to call the single-channel one manually, it might be nicer to have it as a separate script.
[01:21:38] <chromas> that's actually the reason I was thinking of function calls. right now it's just a bunch of copy/pasted two-liners
[01:22:24] <Runaway1956> Callgirls in Wales are sure homely
[01:22:32] <Runaway1956> https://www.upi.com
[01:22:33] <systemd> ^ 03Escaped sheep wanders into hotel, waits for elevator
[01:23:27] <halibut> I'm guessing you could have a join.sh script that looked something like this:
[01:23:57] <halibut> function join () { local chan="$1" ; do_whatever_it_takes_to_join ; }
[01:24:08] <halibut> for chan in "$@" ; do join "$chan" ; done
[01:24:22] <halibut> Then, you just call with a list of channels to join:
[01:24:33] <halibut> join.sh channel1 channel2 channel3
[01:24:49] <halibut> If you include the pound sign, remember it needs escaping because that is a special character for bash.
[01:25:11] <Runaway1956> is this STEM?
[01:25:14] <Runaway1956> https://www.upi.com
[01:25:15] <systemd> ^ 03Vermont company assembles world's largest ball of stickers
[01:26:14] <chromas> oh yeah, I was just noticing the #channel strings looked weird, then thought about comments and wondered how it is they're working now
[01:26:33] <chromas> halibut++ thanks
[01:26:33] <Bender> karma - halibut: 8
[01:26:34] <halibut> Bash supports array variables, which would also be a way to store a list of channels rather than passing it on the command line.
[01:28:55] <c0lo> Reverse Nigerian prince from Maryland: https://apnews.com
[01:28:56] <systemd> ^ 03Attorney charged with plot to steal Somali government funds
[01:30:55] <halibut> ``Hello. I am very wealthy person who needs to transfer monies out of US before Biden taxes it all away. Plz send me $100 so I can transfer to your account in foreign country.'' <-- like that, right?
[01:31:09] <chromas> lel
[01:31:22] <chromas> do it
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[01:37:36] <RichTuna> Hello. I am a very wealthy person in the US. I need to transfer my great wealth to a foreign country before it gets all taxed away. I would be willing to pay $100,000 to somebody to hold on to my fortune for me while I set up the account. Please indicate your interest by sending me $500, which I will refund if you successfully return my money to me once I have the account.
[01:38:08] <halibut> Huh. Looks like somebody else had the same idea.
[01:38:40] <halibut> Seems legit. How should I transfer my $500 to you?
[01:39:01] <chromas> something smells fishy but I can't put my finger in it
[01:39:02] <halibut> That's a guaranteed 200x gain. I don't see why anybody wouldn't take it.
[01:41:18] <Runaway1956> https://www.thedrive.com
[01:41:19] <systemd> ^ 03Crazy Video Footage Shows The Exact Moment The Arecibo Radio Telescope Collapsed
[01:41:51] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:41:51] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[01:42:53] <Runaway1956> Arecibo is about as repairable as Windows
[01:42:57] <Runaway1956> it's focked
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[01:46:45] <chromas> yay it's a-workin'
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[01:48:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> was it broke?
[01:49:52] <Runaway1956> I thought sedbot was born broke
[01:50:21] <chromas> thanks to halibut's fishy input, I fixed up the script to use a function call so it's less pasty now
[01:51:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you're the new crutchy and halibut's the new chromas?
[01:52:10] <chromas> only if he writes a newer, even shittier bot :D
[01:55:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a pretty tall order
[01:57:03] <halibut> Uh-oh. I think somebody is on to our secret identity. Next thing you know, they'll realize that ``halibut'' is just a simple substitution of ``chromas'' (echo chromas | perl -pe tr/achmors/uhabilt/)
[01:57:28] <chromas> it's a tall order butt I beliebe in him
[01:57:38] <chromas> (or her; I'm not that big of a racist)
[01:58:05] <AzumaHazuki> him/her is not a race issue
[01:58:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - When Up Means Down: Why Do So Many Video Game Players Invert their Controls? - https://sylnt.us - don't-push-your-luck-or-pull-my-leg
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[01:59:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure it is. sex is a race, whoever finishes first wins.
[01:59:21] <AzumaHazuki> uh...
[01:59:31] <AzumaHazuki> wow. das ist nacht einmal falsch
[01:59:49] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[02:00:08] <AzumaHazuki> i mean, okay, whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your lack of staying power i guess?
[02:00:25] <chromas> in this thread, humor is dead
[02:00:31] <Runaway1956> hey, zumi, I installed c0lo in your box - it was hard work, so I'm taking a nap now
[02:00:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm doing fine, i just like talking outlandish shit
[02:00:51] <AzumaHazuki> you never say anything else, yeah. i've known this for years
[02:01:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo's a guy, no? her box is discriminatory.
[02:01:09] <Runaway1956> who would bother with inlandish shit?
[02:01:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno, folks who hate jellyfish a lot?
[02:01:37] <AzumaHazuki> bweh, showertime. this nightshift thing is hard to adjust to
[02:01:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> or maybe saw jaws at a formative age?
[02:01:53] * Runaway1956 heads off to bed
[02:02:01] <chromas> get in while the water's still cold for maximum freshness
[02:02:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> stop teasing me with visions of soapy naked lesbians rubbing on themselves
[02:02:38] * TheMightyBuzzard hangs head in dismay
[02:03:18] <chromas> didn't we already have boxing day?
[02:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats me, what day's today?
[02:03:44] <halibut> Not this year.
[02:03:55] <chromas> I dunno but we probably have to wait another year to rub boxes
[02:08:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i feel kind of let down. nobody's gotten butthurt over my #BLMAGA sig.
[02:09:21] <halibut> I don't think the people you want to infuriate would be like to get too mad at something that is reasonably interpreted as ``Black Lives Make America Great Again'', but I am probably wrong.
[02:10:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it probably just confused both sides. weren't sure if they should be mad or not.
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[02:20:56] <AzumaHazuki> much better
[02:22:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, hey, that's what i can do for a half hour until bedtime. have a half finished book what needs reading.
[02:24:33] <AzumaHazuki> super-long hair is a pain in the neck on this job >< i basically have it braided tight all the time and running down the back between my scrubs and IV coat
[02:26:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i had that problem right up until i enlisted. gotta say, being able to wear very low maintenance hairstyles is one serious perk of being a guy
[02:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't even own a comb nowadays. as soon as i start looking like i might need one i break out the clippers.
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[02:31:58] <tedious> Gentoo is even worse tonight. :(
[02:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> howzat?
[02:32:55] <tedious> ABout 4000 lines of dependency hell thanks to python.
[02:33:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun
[02:33:14] <lld> death of python2?
[02:33:31] <tedious> And python 3.6 I think.
[02:33:31] <lld> good thing I cleaned that up some months ago :)
[02:33:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you can have multiple python versions going at the same time in gentoo
[02:33:40] <lld> yeah 3.6 died
[02:33:52] <lld> TheMightyBuzzard: they're dropping 3.6 support
[02:33:53] <tedious> TheMightyBuzzard: Yes and it sends you to hell if you do.
[02:33:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> does not
[02:34:13] <tedious> I'm looking at the gates of hell right now.
[02:34:29] <lld> I'm on 3.7/3.8 already
[02:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> we have three on our gentoo servers and i have six installed on this box
[02:34:53] <tedious> My system is a complee mess because I allowed it to write some python_target flags when I was installing things.
[02:35:17] <lld> I always explicitly modify make.conf myself
[02:35:28] <lld> tedious: just kill your package.use
[02:35:39] <lld> start fresh, inspect emerge output
[02:35:40] <tedious> I did and it made things worse.
[02:36:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i try n keep things in package.use/reasonwhy
[02:36:07] <lld> yep
[02:36:17] <lld> package.use/python36
[02:36:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i'm damned sure gonna forget
[02:36:32] <tedious> I have one for each package and there are comments in there from emerge.
[02:36:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[02:36:54] <lld> thats a lot
[02:37:27] <tedious> So I know which packages are normal and which are causing the problems.
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[02:37:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't do the whole letting emerge add portage config lines thing. i do it myself or it can fuck off.
[02:37:51] <lld> pretty much
[02:38:08] <tedious> I let it write the file then I chop out the unique parts and put them in a new file with the right filename.
[02:38:39] <tedious> I think that should be well organized but there may be an even better way.
[02:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'kinda overkill by my way of thinking. it's your portage config though so whatever blows your skirt up.
[02:39:22] <tedious> Well if a package is that big a problem I should be able to get rid of it and remove that file too.
[02:39:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> my better way is like if i'm wanting to install steam, i put in /etc/portage/package.use/steam
[02:39:46] <tedious> But this time it's so bad I can't fix it.
[02:39:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> and any steam-related changes go in there, so i know WHY i made those changes
[02:40:03] <tedious> Right that's basically what I'm doing.
[02:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh you can fix it. it may take you a lot of head desking but you can fix it.
[02:41:50] <lld> slow and steady
[02:41:58] <lld> one emerge entry at a time
[02:42:03] <tedious> !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled
[02:42:03] <tedious> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
[02:42:21] <tedious> Followed by something like 120 lines of conflicts.
[02:42:26] <lld> time to whack it by hand
[02:42:41] <tedious> Do what?
[02:42:46] <lld> pick one
[02:42:51] <lld> manually
[02:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[02:43:10] <lld> and then recompile affected dependencies
[02:43:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> chip away at it one conflict at a time. it'll work long before you get 120 conflicts fixed most likely.
[02:44:24] <tedious> I tried that last night and I went from 10 or so conflicts to this mess.
[02:44:38] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[02:44:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that happens sometimes
[02:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's always --unmerge though
[02:46:06] <lld> emerge -Ov1 <atom>
[02:46:12] <lld> just ram it through
[02:46:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[02:46:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> better not to do that but if ya gotta ya gotta
[02:46:44] <tedious> Sorry for being dumb but I don't know what you guys mean.
[02:46:56] <tedious> Ram?
[02:46:59] <lld> its normally how I pick the conflicting versions
[02:47:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> --unmerge is how you tell a package that you can't remove because half the shit on the system depends on it to gtfo anyway and then build from the ebuild you previously had downloaded.
[02:47:54] <lld> ram it through == force it through
[02:48:12] <tedious> Oh.
[02:48:32] <lld> you better be specific about the atom though
[02:48:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> these are break your shit badly flags. don't use unless you really know what you're doing.
[02:48:49] <lld> like net-libs/foo:0/23
[02:49:55] * TheMightyBuzzard just finished updating his media server
[02:49:56] <lld> equery m <atom> for clues on what available
[02:50:09] <tedious> So for dev-libs/libxml2-2.9.10-r3 which supports 3.6 and 3.7 and dev-libs/libxml2-2.9.10-r4 which only supports 3.8 I would just unmerge it and then re-emerge it?
[02:50:10] <lld> take note of the slots
[02:50:25] <tedious> Slots?
[02:50:44] <tedious> Jeeze I thought I was starting to understand gentoo. :(
[02:50:53] <lld> are you using 3.8?
[02:50:55] <tedious> I have no idea what any of this even means.
[02:51:04] <tedious> I don't know.
[02:51:21] <tedious> I mean I have it installed but I don't think I told anything to use it.
[02:51:22] <lld> ok, first of all, are you still on 3.6
[02:51:56] <lld> a slot is where multiple versions can fulfill that requirement
[02:52:11] <tedious> I have 3.6-3.9 installed and 2.7 still too.
[02:52:25] <lld> eg gcc-7.4.1, gcc-7.4.2 will fulfill the 7.4 slot
[02:52:31] <tedious> And 3.7 is my top priority so far.
[02:52:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, that's not gonna work.
[02:52:44] <lld> ok, are you moving from 3.6 to 3.7?
[02:52:50] <lld> what are you moving from and to?
[02:52:59] <tedious> I think that's what emerge is trying to force me to do yeah.
[02:53:09] <tedious> I'm not moving anything.
[02:53:18] <tedious> I was caught completely by surprise.
[02:53:30] <lld> if you are moving from 3.6 to 3.7, leave 3.6 in the python targets variable
[02:53:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't forget eselect python
[02:53:40] <lld> put both 3.6 and 3.7
[02:53:49] <lld> once you emerged everything, then remove 3.6
[02:54:02] <lld> this will remove all 3.6 use flags
[02:54:19] <lld> and then you can do emerge -C /usr/lib/python3.6 to kill everything
[02:55:18] <tedious> But right now nothing has any python_targets in package.use and it's still refusing to do anything.
[02:55:31] <lld> put it in your make.conf global
[02:55:32] <tedious> I moved all those files to a different directory.
[02:56:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> put em back. you don't have to change python_targets unless you remove a python version. gentoo can have as many versions of python installed as you like without issue.
[02:56:41] <tedious> I don't have equery installed.
[02:56:46] <tedious> Is that a problem?
[02:56:51] <lld> TheMightyBuzzard: well, if you want to move, you need to have both first
[02:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[02:56:58] <lld> then you can remove the ones you don't want
[02:57:11] <lld> tedious: you can always install it?
[02:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just never uninstall the old versions. no reason to.
[02:57:47] <lld> I only remove them because of space constraints
[02:57:52] <lld> stupid SSD
[02:58:08] <lld> compilation happens on an external USB HDD :)
[02:58:20] <lld> hopefully the USB cable doesn't get flaky
[02:58:52] <tedious> lld: Is that fquery?
[02:59:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't even bother switching python_targets until something bitches. if something really needs a specific version it can specify that in the ebuild as a default that you'd have to -python_targets away
[03:00:27] <tedious> I never put any python_targets in package.us files unless I had no choice.
[03:00:46] <tedious> Honestly I barely even know what python_targets does.
[03:01:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> tells the package to build with support for that version of python
[03:01:03] <lld> python targets tell gentoo to install python versions of that package
[03:01:18] <tedious> Ok that's what I thought.
[03:01:22] <lld> so 36, 37 in it means install the same package once for each vesion
[03:01:32] <tedious> So like I said I never added any of that unless emerge made me.
[03:01:34] <lld> equery is part of gentoolkit
[03:01:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can have as many python_targets arguments as you want for a given package.
[03:01:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> or at least as many as it supports
[03:02:28] <tedious> I can't install gentoolkit either. :(
[03:02:56] <tedious> Did I screw this system for good?
[03:04:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you can install it
[03:04:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> how do you NOT have it installed though?
[03:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have python 3.6 installed right now, yeah?
[03:05:18] <tedious> It needs to install 4 upgrades and rebuild 15 packages to install gentoolkit.
[03:05:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> do it then
[03:05:36] <tedious> Yeah I have 2.7 and 3.6-3.9.
[03:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not something you want to try getting by without
[03:05:42] <tedious> I can't.
[03:05:47] <tedious> That's what I'm saying.
[03:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> why
[03:05:58] <tedious> It barfs on dependency hell blockage.
[03:06:30] <tedious> 12 things blocking each other.
[03:06:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, set the use line for gentoolkit to exclude all python_targets except for python3_9
[03:07:05] <tedious> I don't understand how this is even possible when I never told emerge to do anything.
[03:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> explicitly exclude them not just leave them out
[03:07:11] <tedious> Always the other way around.
[03:07:32] <tedious> Ok let me see if I can do that.
[03:07:38] <lld> I am now purging py37
[03:07:55] <lld> might as well stay ahead of the curve
[03:08:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> means -python_targets_python3_6 -python_targets_python3_7 -python_targets_python3_8 python_targets_python3_9
[03:08:51] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[03:08:53] <systemd> Submitting "Google fires prominent AI ethicist Timnit Gebru"...
[03:09:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Google Fires Prominent AI Ethicist Timnit Gebru" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:09:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's only built for python3_7 but you don't have that installed so shurg
[03:10:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ #smoke break
[03:10:17] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 797
[03:10:35] <tedious> It's asking me to add 3.9 flags to 17 packages.
[03:12:08] <tedious> Nope doesn't work.
[03:13:54] <tedious> I know I'm not the expert here but I thought the right way to do this is to avoid adding extra python_target flags to anything so you don't cause conflicts.
[03:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> did you CHANGE python_targets or ADD python_targets?
[03:14:28] <tedious> I created the gentoolkit file in package.use like you suggested.
[03:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> you won't cause conflicts. you can have multiple python_targets for a package without it being an issue.
[03:14:50] <tedious> Then emerge told me it wanted to create entries for those 17 packages and give them each a 3_9 flag.
[03:15:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> did you?
[03:15:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> and did you change the flag or add a new one?
[03:15:58] <tedious> I just took the file it wrote in package.use and moved it to a real filename.
[03:16:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> you let emerge do the writing?
[03:16:37] <tedious> So it's just a bunch of atoms with python_target_python3_9 flags
[03:16:45] <tedious> Yes.
[03:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mkay, what't it bitch about after that then?
[03:17:07] <tedious> It didn't change any of my existing files really so I just let it do its thing.
[03:17:22] <lld> 3.9 is probably too new unless you have ~arch universally turned on
[03:17:22] <tedious> After that I get 15 conflicts like this.
[03:17:27] <tedious> (dev-python/chardet-3.0.4-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="-test" PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_8 (-pypy3) -python3_6 -python3_7 -python3_9" pulled in by
[03:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> lld, nah, i checked, gentoolkit can do 3_9
[03:17:41] <tedious> So doesn't that mean it can't build under 3.9?
[03:18:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, but it means i need to know what it was pulled in by
[03:18:23] <lld> ah right
[03:18:30] <tedious> Ok I need to pastebin that.
[03:18:33] <lld> gentoo devs would have to make sure all the deps also do 3.9
[03:18:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, just the package name would do
[03:19:00] <tedious> BTW I tried it with 3.8 and got the same mess.
[03:19:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't have 3_8 installed
[03:19:14] <tedious> Which package name?
[03:19:19] <tedious> I don't?
[03:19:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> (-pypy3) -python3_6 -python3_7 -python3_9" pulled in by THIS ONE
[03:19:36] <tedious> Python 3.8.6 (default, Nov 17 2020, 01:14:54)
[03:19:36] <tedious> [GCC 9.2.0] on linux
[03:19:36] <tedious> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
[03:19:36] <tedious> >>>
[03:19:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> said you didn't
[03:20:02] <tedious> I don't think I did but maybe I typoed?
[03:20:12] <lld> what is your eselect python3 list show anyway?
[03:20:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, switch what i just said to 3_8 then
[03:20:21] <lld> eselect python
[03:20:22] <tedious> 3.6-3.9
[03:20:39] <tedious> TheMightyBuzzard: I already tried and got basically the same mess.
[03:20:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not a mess, that's useful information
[03:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i really, really need a cigarette
[03:21:40] <tedious> Oh sorry I thought you were back already.
[03:22:02] <lld> tedious: which is default?
[03:22:03] <tedious> Ok I'll clean up and try again with 3.8 and pastebin the results.
[03:22:05] <lld> 3.8?
[03:22:42] <tedious> Right now I'm 3.7 -> 3.6 -> 3.9 -> 3.8 -> 2.7
[03:23:00] <tedious> 3.7 and 3.6 are above the fallbacks.
[03:23:32] <tedious> I should change that to 3.8 -> 3.7 -> 3.9 and get rid of 2.7 and 3.6 right?
[03:24:07] <lld> select one, put PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_6 python3_7 python3_8 python3_9" into make.conf
[03:24:11] <lld> rebuild everything
[03:24:15] <lld> then start pruning
[03:25:30] <tedious> Ok I trust you but.....
[03:25:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, won't hurt to have extra targets unless you're really short of space
[03:25:41] <tedious> Isn't that going to break lots of stuff?
[03:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[03:25:53] <lld> it just builds everything
[03:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> more targets = more versions of a library
[03:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> non-conflicting versions
[03:27:27] <tedious> Ok now it wants to build 3 updates and rebuild 15 but it's not complaining about conflicts.
[03:27:34] <tedious> Crossing my fingers. :)
[03:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays
[03:27:56] <chromas> if I install gentoo and tell it to not use gtk, will it automatically port gimp and pidgin over to qt?
[03:28:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, no, to wine
[03:28:28] <chromas> probably slightly less offensive than gtk
[03:28:33] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[03:29:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> the non-bullshit answer is packages that REQUIRE gtk will not have -gtk as an option
[03:29:18] <tedious> So after this installs gentoolkit can I just emerge @world and fix everything that way?
[03:29:30] <chromas> We need a new toolkit
[03:29:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> emerge -auDU --with-bdeps=y @world
[03:30:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no sense rebuilding stuff you don't need to
[03:30:13] <tedious> Right ok.
[03:30:40] <tedious> So what do I have to do to take those out of make.conf and get rid of the old versions of python?
[03:30:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't. there's no reason to unless you're short on space.
[03:31:43] <lld> if you want to? sure
[03:31:45] <tedious> I thought the packages that have -python_targets_python3.6 would block if I tried to build them with that flag enabled.
[03:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and having every package work on the same version of python is not something gentoo even attempts to guarantee. which is why it lets you have multiple versions of python installed.
[03:32:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no. that just means they don't build for 3.6 by default
[03:32:16] <lld> remove all the -python_targets* from your package.use
[03:32:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[03:32:33] <lld> just build everythign enabled for now, since your system is a mess
[03:32:45] <lld> put it back into a consistent state
[03:32:55] <lld> then maybe think about prunning if you want to recover the space
[03:32:57] <tedious> I'm so confused now.
[03:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. you can try slimming it down once stuff is working good
[03:33:31] <lld> tedious: PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_6 python3_7 python3_8 python3_9" goes into make.conf
[03:33:41] <lld> package.use overrides make.conf entries
[03:33:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> -python_targets_python3.6 on a package means nothing except "i don't need you to build the python3.6 version of this package"
[03:33:54] <lld> so remove all those -python_targets_* from package.use
[03:34:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ^^ what he said
[03:34:26] <tedious> lld: That's what I have right now and gentoolkit is almost finished installing.
[03:34:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[03:34:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> eix is our friend too
[03:35:14] <tedious> Total: 66 packages (22 upgrades, 44 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 16,785 KiB
[03:35:21] <tedious> That's @world.
[03:35:26] <lld> yes do that
[03:35:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[03:35:50] <lld> its not as that time when libstdc++ broke C++11 ABI
[03:36:05] <lld> good luck finding out which package needs recompiling
[03:36:14] <lld> C++ is terrible for ABI
[03:36:14] <Bender> karma - c: 71
[03:36:30] <lld> huh ok
[03:37:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> lld, that actually wasn't difficult, i just don't remember how you fixed it offhand.
[03:38:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> aside from a bunch of packages having to be rebuilt i mean. don't remember the command line.
[03:38:18] <tedious> So I'm seeing a bunch of stuff like python3.9 but in red not green or yellow.
[03:38:34] <tedious> But not -python3_9
[03:38:43] <tedious> Other versions too.
[03:39:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're not getting errors, it's not a worry.
[03:39:02] <tedious> Does that mean emege is just skipping some of those libs on its own?
[03:39:14] <tedious> Right I just wanted to understand what's going on.
[03:39:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno. would need to see.
[03:40:51] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[03:40:52] <systemd> Submitting "Divers discover Nazi WW2 enigma machine in Baltic Sea"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[03:41:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, like right now my system is borking on --depclean cause it thinks i have a broken dependency chain. solved with a quick reinstall emerge -a1 app-text/poppler app-text/texlive-core
[03:41:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Divers Discover Nazi WW2 Enigma Machine in Baltic Sea" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:42:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> dependency chain wasn't broken but a oneshot reinstall convinces the system it's not again and all is well.
[03:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should prolly update the SN gentoo servers this weekend. it's going to take all day cause i put it off too long.
[03:44:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, it's going to take all day to update lithium. it's a binhost for the rest though, so those will only take a few minutes.
[03:48:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> tedious, a quick revdep-rebuild after all of this wouldn't be a bad idea either
[03:53:40] <tedious> Hmm ok.
[03:55:23] <lld> TheMightyBuzzard: recompile the world :)
[03:55:29] <tedious> So as soon as this is done I'll do revdep-rebuild then --depclean then I can unmerge 2.7 and 3.6?
[03:55:36] <lld> just make sure you use the newer gcc
[03:55:59] <tedious> I'm on 9.2 and I have 9.3 installed.
[03:56:05] <tedious> Is that ok?
[03:56:20] <lld> just use 9.3 and be done with it
[03:56:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> tedious, don't unmerge them unless you have a good reason to. all it gains you is space.
[03:56:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and some things still require 2.7
[03:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you may hafta reinstall it a month from now
[03:57:02] <tedious> Ok but I should wait until everything is built and I do revdep-rebuild before switching compilers right?
[03:57:09] <lld> yes
[03:57:12] <tedious> TheMightyBuzzard: Oh ok.
[03:57:14] <lld> do it one at a time
[03:57:22] <lld> not wait
[03:57:33] <lld> switch compilers then devdep
[03:57:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> switching minor versions doesn't matter as a general rule
[03:57:44] <tedious> Oh.
[03:57:49] <lld> doing it before switching would just recompile against the current version
[03:57:52] <lld> what TMB said
[03:58:04] <lld> gcc9.2->9.3 doesn't matter
[03:58:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> major versions lately either. damned well used to though.
[03:58:18] <lld> gcc changed their version schemes
[03:58:20] <tedious> So if 9.3 is the normal current version is 10.x the bleeding edge?
[03:58:28] <lld> yes
[03:58:41] <lld> 10.x changed -fcommon as default
[03:58:51] <lld> so it is expected to break a whole lot of older packages
[03:58:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well 11.x if you want the shit still in development
[03:59:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah? neat
[03:59:19] <lld> older *nix package would just have a "int var;" in the header
[03:59:25] <lld> and expect the linker to merge them
[03:59:32] <lld> into the common section
[03:59:44] <lld> with -fcommon, it will explode
[03:59:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'prolly why it's still requiring the ~amd64 keyword
[04:00:01] <lld> "AAAAAAAAAA! multiple definitions!"
[04:00:57] <tedious> lld: Wait so when 10 becomes the current version everything's going to break like this again?
[04:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[04:01:20] <lld> no, ABI should be fine with 10
[04:01:29] <lld> it only breaks during compile time
[04:01:44] <lld> that is if you tried to recompile old/ancient apps
[04:01:46] <tedious> Ok but that means upgrading will break.
[04:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> 10 will not become the current version in gentoo until all official packages can be built with it
[04:01:48] <lld> its not hard to fix
[04:01:56] <lld> no
[04:01:57] <tedious> Oh ok.
[04:02:02] <lld> upgrading will not break
[04:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> overlays are another story
[04:02:09] <halibut> From the gcc-9.3 man page: This is the behavior specifed by -fcommon, and is the default for GCC on most targets.
[04:02:14] <tedious> So I can just ignore 10 until everyone else is using it.
[04:02:19] <halibut> Perhaps -fcommon is alread the default?
[04:02:28] <lld> oh -fno-common is default
[04:02:33] <lld> not sure which is which
[04:02:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ignore it until you have a reason to not.
[04:02:54] <lld> but you'd see a whole bunch of "ERROR MULTIPLE DEFINITIONS" during the link phase
[04:03:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> like every now and then you'll have to switch profiles and that'll require a new gcc version. until then there's no overwhelming reason to switch at all.
[04:03:54] <lld> unless you are on a super bleeding edge hardware that gcc10 just added support for :)
[04:04:05] <lld> though I doubt gentoo would be ported that quickly
[04:04:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. it's come a long way from the days of yore when each new gcc or libc release broke all of the things
[04:05:01] <lld> libc5 :)
[04:06:04] <lld> that was back when Linux uses a.out
[04:06:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://gentoo.org
[04:06:56] <systemd> ^ 03Gentoo Linux
[04:07:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i remember using a.out
[04:07:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i remember installing slackware from floppy sets
[04:07:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SOHO Turns 25 - https://sylnt.us - I-woke-up-in-a-Soho-doorway
[04:07:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> tedious, put that link i just dropped in whatever you use for an rss reader
[04:08:08] <lld> eselect news read :)
[04:08:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we're coming up on sylnt.us/gnu soon. see if ya can find us something appropriate?
[04:08:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> lld, that takes typing. i'm an american so my middle finger isn't even remotely tired out by a little mouse wheeling
[04:08:56] <Bytram> I gnu you'd ask for that :D got any suggestions?
[04:09:24] <lld> I haven't figured out how to grab all the news items and archive them on my system
[04:09:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> not at the moment but i'll look in the morning.
[04:09:53] <lld> my "what if the internet disappeared" mentality is still strong in the days of cloud web2.0
[04:10:02] <lld> archive everything
[04:10:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn right
[04:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> specially because that shit has happened many times so far. service shuts down and poof goes all the money you spent.
[04:11:22] <halibut> Gentoo news items are in ${PORTDIR}/metadata/news/.
[04:11:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty. i'm still gonna read em in a browser though.
[04:12:01] <lld> halibut: oh nice
[04:12:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> <--- lazy
[04:12:20] <halibut> Three files in /var/lib/gentoo/news/ determine which ones appear and which ones do not when you run eselect news list.
[04:12:31] <lld> cloudflare goes down for 5 minutes
[04:12:38] <lld> internet panics
[04:12:41] <halibut> They are just text lists of the news item names.
[04:12:56] <lld> halibut: I'm not so concerned which I have read
[04:13:01] <lld> so long as they are archived
[04:13:32] <lld> I'm not letting the present change the past :)
[04:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, it's now an hour and change past my bedtime. ima go sleep.
[04:21:48] <tedious> Thank you so much TheMightyBuzzard.
[04:22:02] <tedious> And you too lld.
[04:22:29] <tedious> emerge @world finished and revdep-rebuild said no errors.
[04:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, there's RMS getting no-platformed for a talk to a CS class at university of waterloo. don't see any good sources though, mostly just reddit.
[04:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> really am done now. no more distractions.
[04:25:03] <Bytram> thanks fo rlooking
[04:30:35] <chromas> how about a microsoft story?
[04:31:23] <Bytram> do they have a major update to lnux on windows coming out?
[04:33:10] <chromas> don't see anything about it
[04:33:17] <chromas> https://betanews.com
[04:33:18] <systemd> ^ 03Developers manage to run Windows 10 and Linux on M1 Macs
[04:33:36] <chromas> doesn't seem gnu-y enough though
[04:33:44] <chromas> or gnus-worthy
[04:34:04] <chromas> the real problem with gnu is the g isn't psilent
[04:34:12] <chromas> which ruins all the puns
[04:38:04] <Bytram> WooHoo! Variety magazine named Amy Allen a "Hitmaker of 2020" https://variety.com
[04:38:05] <systemd> ^ 03Making the Cut: Variety's 2020 Hitmakers and Hitbreakers Revealed
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[05:29:27] <tedious> lld: You're not going to believe this.
[05:30:01] <tedious> I had a file called , in my package.use directory that was full of emerge's recommended python_targets.
[05:30:28] <tedious> It was from one of my attempts while we were trying things.
[05:31:02] <c0lo_> (lld doesn't believe this)
[05:39:16] <Bytram> ~help
[05:39:26] <Bytram> =tell
[05:39:30] <Bytram> #tell
[05:39:30] <MrPlow> #tell <nick> <message>
[05:40:55] <Bytram> #tell mrpg Saw your msg; working on an alternative idea; I still need to get my e-mail working
[05:40:55] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
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[06:41:34] <lld> tedious: time to kill it
[07:57:03] <chromas> This new pc isn't fast enough
[08:02:47] <pinchy> download more ram
[08:25:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Justice Department Accuses Facebook of Discriminating Against U.S. Workers - https://sylnt.us
[08:36:54] <chromas> sounds like xenophobia but ok
[08:49:49] <FatPhil> Yay! BattleBots S05E01 Return.of.the.Bots
[08:50:33] <FatPhil> It's robot fighting time
[09:32:26] <chromas> http://www.ustream.tv
[09:32:27] <systemd> ^ 03ISS HD Earth Viewing Experiment
[09:32:38] <chromas> Need some iss battle bots
[09:43:30] <FatPhil> My money's on Kesslerbot
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[10:37:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What Makes the World's Biggest Surfable Waves? - https://sylnt.us - surf's-up-dude!
[11:38:19] <c0lo> https://apnews.com
[11:38:20] <systemd> ^ 03States plan for vaccines as daily US virus deaths top 3,100
[11:43:35] <c0lo> Exploding shit https://apnews.com
[11:43:36] <systemd> ^ 03Police: 4 die after explosion at UK wastewater plant
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[11:58:50] <c0lo> https://www.forbes.com
[11:58:51] <systemd> ^ 03A Spectacularly Rare ‘Christmas Star’ Is Coming In December As Two Worlds Align After Sunset
[12:04:22] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[12:04:24] <systemd> Submitting "Chinese Robotaxi Firm AutoX Starts Operation In Shenzen With No Human Driver"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.forbes.com )
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[17:05:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Does Tor Provide More Benefit or Harm? New Paper Says It Depends - https://sylnt.us - invalid-assumptions
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[18:39:19] <c0lo> =submit https://nypost.com
[18:39:21] <systemd> Submitting "Dead man banned from his own funeral after arriving on chair"...
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[19:07:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese Robotaxi Firm AutoX Starts Operation in Shenzen with No Human Driver - https://sylnt.us - Johnny-Cab
[19:20:52] <FatPhil> great movie, one of my favourites
[19:21:43] <FatPhil> but it's not a "turn your brain off" movie, as there's lots of deep stuff
[20:55:20] <Runaway1956> someone - probably themightybuzzard - should look at this - https://soylentnews.org
[20:55:21] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Does Tor Provide More Benefit or Harm? New Paper Says It Depends ( https://soylentnews.org )
[20:55:49] <Runaway1956> There appears to be no quick and easy access to SN through TOR .onion address
[20:56:06] <Runaway1956> we probably ought to have an easy link on our front page?
[20:56:23] <Runaway1956> http://7rmath4ro2of2a42.onion
[20:56:23] <systemd> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[21:12:54] <c0lo> Dec 3, on average, one American dies of covid every 30 seconds.
[21:16:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Same Vision for All Primates: Revealed by World's Smallest Primate - https://sylnt.us - monkey-see-like-me
[21:18:04] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[21:18:06] <systemd> Submitting "Hundreds of Google workers condemn firing of AI scientist Timnit Gebru"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
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[21:33:51] <c0lo> After 35 days without community transmission, this is how Melbourne CBD looks like https://content.api.news
[21:34:19] <c0lo> From https://www.heraldsun.com.au
[21:34:23] <systemd> ^ 03Victoria’s mask rules to change ( https://www.heraldsun.com.au )
[21:53:27] <FatPhil> "an internal group for women and allies" - hmmm, what's the word that's going through my head right now.
[22:04:19] <chromas> Many, many possibilities
[22:19:27] <Bytram> Runaway1956: FYI: (1) Tor for SoylentNews was set up in the very early days -- by NComander, IIRC (2) AFAIK nobody on staff is set up to use Tor (3) IOW we would need somebody to step up and volunteer to test it. (4) I am not against the idea, but there is more to it than meets the eye.
[22:21:28] <Bytram> c0lo: I'm curious. Did you honestly think that story of a man on a chair being denied access to his funeral is something you would expect to see on SoylentNews?
[22:26:44] <Bytram> Personally, I do not see it. What I *do* see is more work for us to do to give it a fair shot (like we try to do with all story submissions). What I might find not interesting, may be of interest to someone else. So, we try to give every submitted story the benefit of the doubt... Give each story at least a day or two for all editors to have a look at it. Also, if an editor is not interested, we flag that by adding a comment to that
[22:26:45] <Bytram> story like "Not interested.--Bytram"
[22:29:55] <Bytram> with the influx of bot stories (which we are grateful for!) We have found we need to change how we process stories.
[22:31:51] <Bytram> We want each Editor to get a fair chance at pushing out a story if they might be interested, so the story needs to be available long enough for all editors to see and express an interest if they have one, and then -- if after sufficient time -- no interest has been expressed, then manually remove the story from the submissions queue.
[22:33:49] <Bytram> Like I said, we're trying to work out a balance and we are trying some new things to give every editor a fair shot at a story and to give every story submission a fair chance at being selected.
[22:35:57] <Bytram> There's no way for that to have been known at the time that story was subbed, but please be aware in the future that a whimsical submission does have an impact on the editorial staff and uses up time that would be better otherwise spent trying to push out stories, or even to read the site, itself.
[22:36:52] <Bytram> I'd appreciate it the community would considering this in the future...
[22:38:45] <Bytram> That is a rough draft of a story to the community that has been swirling in my mind for a while. It is under discussion atm and I have hopes of writing something up before too long.
[22:39:46] <Bytram> So, not singling anyone out; just putting the information out there, such as it is, atm.
[22:43:34] <Bytram> tl;dr: no hard feelings intended; just please be aware in the future, k?
[22:48:45] <FatPhil> Bytram++
[22:48:45] <Bender> karma - bytram: 144
[22:48:49] <FatPhil> Bytram++
[22:48:49] <Bender> karma - bytram: 145
[22:49:40] <Bytram> That's better -- things looked kinda... gross, for a while there!
[22:49:43] <Bytram> :D
[22:49:53] <Bytram> but seriously, I appreciate that
[22:50:14] <Bytram> and... I also appreciate a nap which I am needing atm.
[22:50:18] <FatPhil> parochialism is very tedious for the 95% of the world that isn't the 5% that you're in. In particular when it's parochial within that 5%
[22:50:34] <FatPhil> "you" being him, obvs :D
[22:50:37] <Bytram> trying to push out one more story
[22:51:28] <Bytram> sorry, too tired to follow that. Parochial? TLI5
[22:55:06] <c0lo> Bytram, does it happen often? Aren't we close to weekend? Or would you prefer stories about the excesses of Covid and Trump?
[22:55:29] <Bytram> 1) yes
[22:55:38] <Bytram> 2) false dichotomoy
[22:55:53] <Bytram> there are still other choices that are neither of those
[22:56:00] * c0lo 1) never heard of
[22:56:47] <Bytram> please bear in mind that atm I am very tired and trying really hard to push out one more story before I crawl into bed.
[22:56:59] * c0lo 2) easier to pick that way
[22:57:24] * c0lo after a sleeples night hunting a bug, me too
[22:57:41] <Bytram> my choise of words and tolerance for things I'd ordinarily ovrlook are seriously strained.
[22:57:50] <Bytram> thanks for letting me know!
[22:57:58] * c0lo says do what you like with it
[22:58:34] * c0lo doesn't know why bytram sounds annoyed
[22:58:51] <Bytram> I just explained that.
[22:59:00] <Bytram> please bear in mind that atm I am very tired and trying really hard to push out one more story before I crawl into bed.
[22:59:11] <Bytram> my choise of words and tolerance for things I'd ordinarily ovrlook are seriously strained.
[22:59:30] * c0lo understands bytram is tired, still doesn't see why he's annoyed
[23:00:15] * c0lo already said do what you want with it, he asks no justification
[23:00:33] <Bytram> I do not have the energy and patience to explain things like I normally endeavor to do. Any perceived anger or annoyance is simply a symptom of my exhaustion
[23:00:50] * c0lo gets it finally
[23:00:56] <Bytram> :D
[23:01:08] * c0lo wishes bytram a good rest
[23:01:33] <Bytram> And, since that story IS in the subs queue, it deserves the same consideration we would give to any other submission.
[23:01:52] <Bytram> Unless you are asking me to remove the sub? that I can do unilaterally
[23:02:26] <Bytram> appreciated -- and the very same wishes for a good sleep to you, too!
[23:03:04] <Bytram> atm I am trying to chop down a 1,100 word story to something we can use here.
[23:03:04] * c0lo never heard about people being left out of their own funeral, found it unusual. That's why he submitted it. If bytram says it's a mundane...
[23:03:14] * c0lo ... apologizes
[23:04:16] <Bytram> not just that. What I recall seeing submitted was only a paragraph or two. not muc e could do woth it anyway.
[23:04:54] <Bytram> accepted. and appreciated. and we're good. no worries.
[23:06:42] <Bytram> Ahhh, a storm is coming, barometer is dropping relatively quickly revealing old aches and breaks and pains. that splains a few things, too.
[23:07:36] <Bytram> in 48 hours we're due for a couple inches of rain and a few inches of snow (first of the season), too.
[23:08:02] <Runaway1956> Thank you Bytram - I knew we could access SN via TOR, but that's all I knew
[23:08:44] <Bytram> in *theory* we can. I know I am not set up for it. Ditto for TMB
[23:09:42] <Bytram> hth, and thanks for mentioning it. From what I glanced at, it does not *appear* to be that challenging, so might even get done.
[23:10:08] <Bytram> Runaway1956: Even better, please submit a bug report on it so it does not fall through the cracks
[23:10:31] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://arstechnica.com from the RISC-V-business dept.
[23:10:33] <systemd> Submitting "New RISC-V CPU claims recordbreaking performance per watt"...
[23:10:45] * Runaway1956 decides that maybe he needs to learn how to submit a bug report
[23:10:49] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I think we already ran that
[23:10:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New RISC-V CPU Claims Recordbreaking Performance Per Watt" (24 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:11:02] <AzumaHazuki> oh no kidding? i'll go look
[23:11:16] <Runaway1956> ran something similar, maybe not same source
[23:11:24] <Bytram> yep
[23:11:34] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[23:11:37] <systemd> ^ 03RISC-V hits 5 Ghz at 1 Watt - SoylentNews
[23:11:55] <chromas> Still, good sub
[23:11:57] <chromas> AzumaHazuki++
[23:11:57] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 47
[23:12:15] * Runaway1956 does look at subs queue from time to time, but still get an occasional dupe or near dupe
[23:12:25] <Bytram> there is a link on the main page for "Bug List", but I do not see one to submit a bug (though I expect you can do it from around there somewhere_
[23:12:52] <Bytram> appreciate the looking ahead of time; evvery bit helps.
[23:12:59] <Runaway1956> and I thought the story about the funeral was kinda cool, if not nerdish, LOL
[23:13:17] <AzumaHazuki> i wanna see what risc-v evolves into. if it becomes "the new ARM" for example
[23:13:29] * Runaway1956 needs coffee
[23:13:47] <AzumaHazuki> also, know what's lots of fun? finding out you've been trained wrong and by about 7 more people than you should have been! what a clusterfuck
[23:14:07] <Bytram> and I am willing to abitd by other editor's viewpoints, so I do not make unilateral decisions unless absolutely necessary
[23:14:30] <Bytram> =g SNAFU
[23:14:31] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - SNAFU - Wikipedia
[23:14:34] <AzumaHazuki> i do best when i ignore what my instincts tell me my trainers are doing wrong and just focus on maintaining a sterile field. what a shitshow
[23:15:01] <Bytram> stick true to the basics
[23:15:31] <AzumaHazuki> last night/this morning has probably given my arteries a fuzzy coating watching my trainer constantly shadow critical surfaces from the sterile airflow while preparing things
[23:15:32] <Bytram> one last try at that story
[23:15:37] <Bytram> afk for a bit
[23:15:42] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[23:15:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5407
[23:18:50] <Bytram> nope. not gonna happen. I'm tapped out.
[23:19:38] * Bytram shambles over to his bed to get some shuteye
[23:20:08] <Runaway1956> I'm thinking that I've had an account on Github sometime or another - can't remember credentials if I did
[23:21:05] <Runaway1956> <AzumaHazuki> also, know what's lots of fun? finding out you've been trained wrong and by about 7 more people than you should have been! what a clusterfuck
[23:21:23] <Runaway1956> In my experience, almost NO ONE wants to believe that you were ever taught wrong
[23:21:34] <Runaway1956> instead, they assume you're the dumbass who failed to learn
[23:21:52] <AzumaHazuki> yyyyeah. thankfully my most recent trainer is competent and has been raising hell on my behalf
[23:22:16] <Runaway1956> that's good . . .
[23:22:17] <AzumaHazuki> she swears like 3 sailors and has excellent technique. and she can't believe some of the stuff i was told to do
[23:22:42] <Runaway1956> You know what's even worse?
[23:22:56] <Runaway1956> When there is a manual to go by, and the manual is wrong
[23:23:05] <AzumaHazuki> the scarier part of this is it means people have potentially been operating in borderline-unsafe or outright unsafe ways for years.
[23:23:14] <chromas> that's because the manual writer was taught wrong by his trainers
[23:23:25] <AzumaHazuki> yyyyyeah. this is a clusterfuck
[23:23:35] <Runaway1956> That - or times have changed since the manual was written
[23:23:55] <Runaway1956> whichever happened, not everyone can be on the same page because the pages are different
[23:23:57] <requerdanos> The work of Joseph Lister, for example
[23:23:59] <AzumaHazuki> i'm normally all for just training myself and be damned to the lot of them, but this is something i absolutely cannot get wrong. breaking sterility can give people blood poisoning
[23:24:26] <AzumaHazuki> this crap's making me as neurotic as a shaven chihuahua
[23:24:30] <Runaway1956> freebies! Free blood poisoning, no extra charge!
[23:25:04] <Runaway1956> I'm almost curious enough to ask - what were you taught wrong in this instance?
[23:25:10] <requerdanos> nosocomial bonuses available?
[23:25:34] <Runaway1956> you have to be here for 12 more years before you get a bonus
[23:25:53] <requerdanos> not this kind heh
[23:26:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux Foundation Does Not Eat its Own Dogfood - https://sylnt.us - Year-of-Linux-on-the-desktop
[23:26:24] <chromas> lick the needle before insertion
[23:26:29] <Bytram> Runaway1956: she i rightly concerned. A "simple" staph infection came close to killing me 3 years ago. Intravenous antibiotics saved me.
[23:26:30] <AzumaHazuki> apparently freaking everything. including being asked "why do you hold it like X, I do Y and always have done" (proceeds to hold fingers between the syringe hub and the airflow)
[23:26:50] <AzumaHazuki> cue me sitting there screaming internally and going "do i tell her?"
[23:27:06] <chromas> yes. yes you do tell her
[23:27:28] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. and it just got me a dirty look and an accusation of having an attitude 9_9
[23:27:39] <AzumaHazuki> christ. peoples' lives are on the line here.
[23:27:41] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: looks like this was a "good thing", in disgise. Best be found out now, rather than later.
[23:27:45] <Runaway1956> I guess that went over my head - syringe hub I understand, airflow?
[23:27:54] <Bytram> laters
[23:28:00] <Runaway1956> 'night Bytram
[23:28:22] <AzumaHazuki> we work in what's called a laminar flow hood, a machine that passes a steady stream of HEPA-filtered air straight at the worker from back to front
[23:28:34] <Runaway1956> ahhhhhhh
[23:29:02] <AzumaHazuki> keeping "critical sites" in the flow - syringe hubs, the inner plunger once pulled out, any bare needles, the tops of open vials - is of the utmost importancce
[23:29:37] <Runaway1956> I get the idea now - probably not really well, but the general idea
[23:29:51] <AzumaHazuki> so a good CSP worker develops some bizarre contortion-looking grips and obsessive habits about what to do in what order to keep things in the flow
[23:30:43] <AzumaHazuki> a lot of this can only be learned by doing. you need to learn what it feels like to hold things properly, how much force it takes to go into a vial, how much resistance you'll get when drawing out of a base fluid bag etc
[23:35:28] <Runaway1956> Well then - if I'm registered on github, I don't even know which email to use to get a new password
[23:42:46] <pinchy> Runaway1956@gmail.com
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[23:52:36] <Runaway1956> nuffin works pinchy
[23:58:06] <Runaway1956> Oh, hey, maybe it was some form of recaptcha failing to load -
[23:58:19] <chromas> "No such email"
[23:58:37] <chromas> [create new account]
[23:58:37] <chromas> "account already exists with that email"
[23:59:21] <Runaway1956> well I got that 5 different times with 5 different emails - when in fact, the page wasn't being submitted because of recaptcha variant
[23:59:37] <Runaway1956> I am now signed in, lol
[23:59:53] <chromas> Click the llama that faces the right way