#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-11

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[00:47:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla: “Full Self-Driving Beta” Isn't Designed for Full Self-Driving - https://sylnt.us - It's-just-a-beta
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[01:43:44] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.insider.com from the straight-from-the-horse's-mouth dept
[01:43:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Accused Oath Keeper Charged in Capitol Riot Said He'd Kill Politicians" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:44:12] <AzumaHazuki> but it totally wasn't a coup attempt. and even if it was it's fine because it didn't succeed. and even if it had, it would be fine because the right people won. :V
[01:51:59] <chromas> Mostly peaceful tho
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[02:00:17] <AzumaHazuki> You know I can kind of see where the dr. seuss angst is coming from... https://pbs.twimg.com
[02:01:50] <chromas> Not very nice to turtles
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[03:11:53] <Runaway1956> Took a virtual tour of the Florida Keys - and good lord, that's some ugly real estate
[03:12:28] <Runaway1956> Boca Chica, for instance - the airport takes up more than 1/3 of the available space, the school takes up most of the rest
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[03:13:05] <Runaway1956> I don't think you could pay me enough to live on those little rock islands
[03:17:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China and Russia Agree to Build an "International Lunar Science Station" - https://sylnt.us - spreading-humanity's-wings
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[03:27:39] <Bytram> #weather boca chica, FL
[03:27:41] <MrPlow> West Caribbean, Port St. Lucie, FL, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 75/66F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 11%, Wind ~10mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 76/66F, Humidity: 79%, Precip: 12%, Wind ~15mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 77/64F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~13mph.
[03:27:59] <Bytram> #weather boca chica, tx
[03:28:01] <MrPlow> 4911 Boca Chica, Henderson County, TX 75148, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 78/65F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 14%, Wind ~16mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 80/65F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 19%, Wind ~16mph. Fri: "Overcast throughout the day." 79/62F, Humidity: 84%, Precip: 32%, Wind ~13mph.
[03:30:12] <Bytram> #weather chicago
[03:30:13] <MrPlow> Congress Plaza Hotel, 500-510 South Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60604, USA - Today: "Windy overnight." 63/46F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 28%, Wind ~16mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 51/34F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 50%, Wind ~12mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 45/31F, Humidity: 73%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~7mph.
[03:30:45] <Bytram> #weather venice, CA
[03:30:46] <MrPlow> 1712 Abbot Kinney Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90291, USA - Today: "Rain until afternoon, starting again overnight." 57/49F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 94%, Wind ~5mph. Thu: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 56/46F, Humidity: 75%, Precip: 62%, Wind ~5mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 59/48F, Humidity: 73%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~6mph.
[03:31:07] <Runaway1956> #weather Earth
[03:31:08] <MrPlow> North Amherst St, Earth, TX 79301, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 76/37F, Humidity: 29%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~16mph. Thu: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 76/56F, Humidity: 19%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~10mph. Fri: "Overcast throughout the day." 75/55F, Humidity: 54%, Precip: 23%, Wind ~12mph.
[03:31:30] <Bytram> #weather new delhi
[03:31:55] <Runaway1956> #weather Old Delhi
[03:32:06] <Bytram> #weather new delhi, india
[03:32:51] <Runaway1956> #weather Used Delhi ????
[03:33:19] <Runaway1956> Apparently, the Delhitians haven't paid their weather tax.
[03:38:49] <Runaway1956> #weather Delhi, India
[03:39:28] <Runaway1956> #weather New Delhi, Delhi
[03:39:40] * Runaway1956 is puzzled
[03:40:10] <Bytram> #sammich
[03:40:18] <Runaway1956> #weather Lahore
[03:40:28] <Bytram> #fitectl status
[03:40:33] <Runaway1956> #weather Lahore, India
[03:40:37] <Bytram> #submit
[03:41:01] * Bytram thinks the bot done died
[03:41:28] <Bytram> #raw restart
[03:41:37] <Bytram> #raw #restart
[03:41:54] <Bytram> #raw fuckoff
[03:42:06] <Bytram> #raw pissoff
[03:43:08] <Bytram> #submit https://www.cnn.com
[03:47:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: MrPlow seems to have gone sleeping. Q: If I just .KICKed him, would he automatically respawn?
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[03:56:53] <Bytram> Imagine if we had a "botmon" (bot monitor) which could, accept a restart command. If would know on what server, user, dir, and command would alt, and then restart, the named bot.
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[03:58:07] <Bytram> na na na na na na na na botmon!
[03:58:38] <Bytram> na na na na na na na na batman!
[03:58:49] <Bytram> #yt na na na na na na na na batman!
[03:59:00] <Bytram> =yt na na na na na na na na batman!
[03:59:01] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na... BATMAN! (42; 4,534,570 views; 👍28,347 👎1,057)
[04:01:51] <Runaway1956> Have the interstices been calibrated recently?
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[04:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, no. you have to kill the process on bery
[04:24:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> sudo killall -9 rustbot
[04:24:25] <Runaway1956> So much violence
[04:24:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'll restart itself
[04:25:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not doin it though. ima be asleep in under 2m.
[04:33:54] <Runaway1956> TheMightyBuzzard
[04:33:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: got it
[04:34:13] * Runaway1956 was checking to see if he's asleep yet
[04:38:13] <Bytram> note to self: martyb@fluorine:/srv/soylentnews.org/apache/logs$
[04:39:48] <chromas> yeah, a kick wouldn't do it because it would still be connected to the server
[04:40:57] <Bytram> but if it had a heartbeat look checking what channels it was connected to, it could detect that and autorestart (maybe?)
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[04:41:15] <chromas> sounds like extra work
[04:41:40] <chromas> also the reason it's not responding is the same reason the heartbeat code probably wouldn't work :D
[04:41:42] <chromas> now ya dunnit
[04:42:01] <Bytram> well, the killall worked... let's see if the autorestart works, too
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[04:42:23] <Bytram> #fitectl status
[04:42:23] <MrPlow> #fite Bytram level: 12141, hp: 12151, weapon: 'pointy===============spear', armor: '|||'
[04:42:46] <Bytram> @weather new delhi, india
[04:42:51] <chromas> #plowctl status
[04:42:51] <Bytram> #weather new delhi, india
[04:43:06] <Bytram> #fitectl status
[04:43:18] <chromas> censored!
[04:43:27] <Bytram> =blame
[04:43:27] * systemd points at Bytram
[04:43:34] <chromas> MrPlow says you're in the wrong caste to get the weather
[04:44:07] * Bytram found a reproducible method to mess up MrPlow
[04:44:30] <chromas> now throw a debugger on it and single-step through the lockup :)
[04:45:12] <Bytram> 15659 bob 39 19 974m 194m 28m S 99.7 5.0 1:49.68 rustbot
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[04:45:54] <Bytram> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
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[04:46:14] <chromas> see if you had systemd you could specify a watchdog value that restarts MrPlow when he doesn't ping it
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[04:46:27] <chromas> probably daemontools or whatever would do it too, but it's not hip and trenty
[04:48:09] <Bytram> #weather trent
[04:48:14] <MrPlow> Giardino largo Pigarelli, V Carlo Antonio Pilati, 38122 Trento TN, Italy - Today: "Overcast throughout the day." 50/39F, Humidity: 66%, Precip: 7%, Wind ~2mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 54/38F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 51%, Wind ~2mph. Sat: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 53/37F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 19%, Wind ~2mph.
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[05:46:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - T-Mobile Will Sell Your Web Usage Data to Advertisers Unless You Opt Out - https://sylnt.us
[05:47:15] <chromas> Thanks, encryption. Thencryption
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[08:15:32] <FatPhil> How on earth can an IRC bot consume 974m of address space??!?!
[08:16:10] <FatPhil> #weather
[08:16:11] <MrPlow> Raekoja plats 9, Tallinn, Estonia - Today: "Foggy overnight." 33/27F, Humidity: 88%, Precip: 24%, Wind ~15mph. Fri: "Possible light rain starting in the afternoon." 36/34F, Humidity: 96%, Precip: 64%, Wind ~16mph. Sat: "Possible drizzle until evening." 37/32F, Humidity: 98%, Precip: 74%, Wind ~13mph.
[08:16:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Twitter Launches Five-Strike System to Ban Users Who Spread Covid-19 Lies - https://sylnt.us - how-do-you-get-on-base?
[08:16:33] <FatPhil> uh-oh, skating rink...
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[10:57:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Using Nmap Results to Help Harden Linux Systems - https://sylnt.us
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[11:20:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, pretty easily when it's apparently in an endless loop
[11:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, it's running a debug build at the moment
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[11:28:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> but the 974m was virtual. resident was the 194m.
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[12:27:31] <c0lo> =submit https://www.kiro7.com
[12:27:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Marijuana Sales Reach Record High During COVID-19 Crisis" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:40:54] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nytimes.com
[12:40:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Mexico Set to Legalize Marijuana, Becoming World’s Largest Market" (36p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:49:24] <c0lo> Some stories on how the Bernies took over the Nevada's Dems https://theintercept.com
[12:49:25] <systemd> ^ 03Deconstructed: Nevada Progressives Vs. the Old Guard
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[12:59:49] <c0lo> =submit https://netherlandsnewslive.com
[12:59:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Inventor of Cassette Tape Lou Ottens Passed Away" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:01:28] <c0lo> https://www.cnet.com
[13:01:29] <systemd> ^ 03Apple said to deny Parler app back into App Store
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[13:25:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Invention That Made Mass Vaccinations Possible - https://sylnt.us - this-might-sting-a-bit
[13:28:58] <Runaway1956> https://bbcbreakingnews.com
[13:29:00] <systemd> ^ 03A report reveals the university degree that gets graduates a salary lower than McDonald's workers - My Blog
[13:31:47] <FatPhil> idiotic comparison
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[13:35:00] <Runaway1956> What is idiotic about it, Phil?
[13:35:07] <FatPhil> apples and oranges
[13:35:23] <Runaway1956> You would expect a college grad to make more money than a Mickey D manager
[13:35:44] <FatPhil> I wouldn't.
[13:35:51] <Runaway1956> Why not?
[13:36:17] <Runaway1956> Mickey D has no qualifications - academic or otherwise
[13:36:30] <FatPhil> No way would I pay someone who's barely responsible enough to pull up his own pants more than someone who's responsible to look after a crew of 30 people.
[13:36:51] * Runaway1956 rolls eyes
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[13:37:38] <Runaway1956> So, a pharmacist is barely responsible enough to dress himself - or herself
[13:38:42] <Runaway1956> You might inform Hazuki of your opinion
[13:40:32] <FatPhil> That's not what I said, and you're too stupid to realise that.
[13:41:07] <Runaway1956> +FatPhil> No way would I pay someone who's barely responsible enough to pull up his own pants more than someone who's responsible to look after a crew of 30 people.
[13:41:10] <FatPhil> Almost every line you've said has had either a logical fallacy of a falsity in it.
[13:41:17] <FatPhil> s/of/or/
[13:41:18] <SedBot> <FatPhil> Almost every line you've said has had either a logical fallacy or a falsity in it.
[13:42:01] <Runaway1956> You've pretty clearly stated that a college educated pharmacist is less responsible than some clown running a McDonald's
[13:42:17] <FatPhil> No I haven't. Learn to read.
[13:42:28] <Runaway1956> +FatPhil> No way would I pay someone who's barely responsible enough to pull up his own pants more than someone who's responsible to look after a crew of 30 people.
[13:42:53] <FatPhil> Yes, fucknuts, that was a response to something that you said.
[13:43:26] <Runaway1956> Why you being so hateful today? You're not always like this - or are you?
[13:43:38] <FatPhil> you can't magically just interpose another statement before my response and claim i was responding to that instead
[13:44:12] <FatPhil> If you at dumb, I'll call you on it.
[13:44:16] <FatPhil> You are acting dumb.
[13:44:39] <Runaway1956> I did no such thing - you seem to be clearly stating that a Mickey D manager has more value than a college educated pharmacist
[13:45:01] <Runaway1956> All a Mickey D manager ever has to do is schedule workers, and order food
[13:45:08] <Runaway1956> He does nothing complicated
[13:45:55] <Runaway1956> The franchise owner doesn't even have to be really smart, certainly not a mere manager
[13:46:42] <FatPhil> there's payroll and HR tasks too, plus interfacing with regional superiors. They're a bit of an all-rounder.
[13:47:24] <FatPhil> Which is why you can't just walk straight into the job with the salary stated in the article with no qualications and no experience.
[13:47:37] <FatPhil> which is why I said it was not comparing like with like.
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[13:48:58] <Runaway1956> THAT depends on who you know, and who you blow. There is a Mickey D near here which proves that young idiots can not only be a manager, but actually own the franchise
[13:49:48] <FatPhil> I expect bell curves with wide tails
[13:50:27] <Runaway1956> And the whole point of the article is, people graduating in other fields can expect to make more money than pharmacists
[13:50:58] <Runaway1956> Even underwater basket weavers graduating from liberal arts colleges, I suppose
[13:51:05] <FatPhil> that indeed is a weird datapoint.
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[13:51:34] <Runaway1956> Admit it - you just wanted to argue and abuse me today, lol
[13:53:08] <FatPhil> that's some of that
[13:54:08] <FatPhil> but you really gotta stop posting links from anti-vax loonie-tunes RWNJ websites, and then there will be less of it.
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[13:54:42] <Runaway1956> Got it. You prefer silly shit from LWNJ sites.
[13:55:07] <Runaway1956> Will a couple "equity" articles make you feel better?
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[13:55:46] <FatPhil> I don't know any LWNJ sites. The only LWNJ stories I see are ones that are rightly posted to #shitlords for taking the piss out of.
[13:56:33] <Runaway1956> You realize that CNN is a LWNJ site?
[13:57:41] <FatPhil> How are you measuring its "LW"-ness? Seems pretty corporatist to me.
[13:58:20] <Runaway1956> LWNJ as in "American Left" - not to be confused with "European Left"
[13:59:10] <Runaway1956> Every news source in America that has given a free pass to rioters in Portland and Seattle for more than a year, but jump on the "insurrection" bandwagon now
[13:59:48] <FatPhil> believe me, there was disbelief at that here too. and yes, CNN was definitely part of that, I concur.
[14:00:12] <FatPhil> But that's more anti-Trumpublican than anything else.
[14:00:27] <Runaway1956> That is American-left
[14:00:52] <Runaway1956> That is what we live with in America - most of the media would rather wreck the nation, than build it up
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[14:01:22] <FatPhil> I'll let you use "LWNJ" for AOC, for reference.
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[14:02:42] <Runaway1956> Actually, I think AOC is just crazy, and largely uneducated
[14:02:59] <FatPhil> with three scoops of professional bullshitter
[14:03:05] <Runaway1956> I remember the headline of her ooohing and aaahing over "food comes from dirt"
[14:03:27] <Runaway1956> of course, a lot of city people are just as bad
[14:03:38] <FatPhil> is that better than the chemically more accurate "food comes from air"?
[14:04:38] <Runaway1956> No, the real problem was that a thirty-something woman didn't know where food comes from, but she thinks herself qualified to push a "green new deal"
[14:06:49] <FatPhil> It's been too long since I looked into that, I do remember I saw some immediate problems with it, even if the direction they were aiming in looked about right.
[14:07:03] * c0lo chuckles at Runaway pretense that there are politician actualy qualified for the laws they are pushing
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[14:07:58] <Runaway1956> c0lo makes a valid point - few politicians are qualified to work at McDonald's let alone lead a country
[14:08:32] <Runaway1956> unfortunately, many put their ignorance on public display, then expect that we respect them
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[14:10:22] <FatPhil> One thing you can be sure of is that none of the "economists" who advise the governement and the Fed have *ever* founded and run an actual business. and usually their book smarts are between useless and dangerous.
[14:10:32] <c0lo> btw, I stumbled upon an old vid (2019) that's absolutely shitlordy - 7 mins to complete ownership. Gonna post it shorly in the appropriate channel.
[14:13:35] <FatPhil> What did the GND say about nuclear? IIRC it was anti-nuclear, wasn't it?
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[14:15:02] <FatPhil> I think that was my beef. For me, that's a sine qua non. Nuclear is the (couple of generations-ish) future of "green" energy.
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[14:15:58] <Runaway1956> Being anti-nuclear seems stupid to me - but then, we have some examples of stupidity on the side of nuclear power
[14:16:05] * c0lo wonders wtf has the ground voltage to say about nuclear and why a voltage will be anti?
[14:16:11] <Runaway1956> Fukishima ranking high among the stupids
[14:16:41] <boru> With nuclear and renewables combined, you'll still need natural gas until an equivalent "fast switch" power source comes along.
[14:16:43] <Runaway1956> Did I even spell that right?
[14:17:05] <Runaway1956> Natgas is alright, by most accounts
[14:17:16] <c0lo> What wrong with batterries, FatPhil?
[14:17:27] <Runaway1956> I subbed an article (I think) about a relatively new coal plant being converted to natgas
[14:17:44] <boru> It takes too long to turn a nuclear power source on or off, renewables have highly variable output in most locations, whereas natural gas power stations can be turned on and off relatively quickly as demands require it.
[14:18:01] <AzumaHazuki> batteries!
[14:18:07] <AzumaHazuki> biiiiiiig fuckin' sodium batteries
[14:18:08] <boru> Getting rid of coal would be great, though.
[14:18:49] <c0lo> No need of big batteries. Distributed batteries will work as well.
[14:18:56] <boru> And yeah, I wish someone would come up with far more efficient turbines and batteries.
[14:19:02] <boru> That's the biggest source of loss.
[14:19:07] <c0lo> Like in distributed in every home.
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[14:19:44] <FatPhil> turbines are very efficient, there isn't much more that can be eked out of them.
[14:19:53] <boru> Or some sort of super supercap which could withstand a lightning strike.
[14:19:56] <c0lo> Make from every home owner a provider of energy buffering services.
[14:20:01] <boru> Yes, but that efficiency is awful.
[14:20:03] <boru> Same with solar panels.
[14:20:12] <boru> We've gotten them as good as they can be, but it's still crap.
[14:20:49] <c0lo> Nirvana fallacy, boru? Fascinated by it lately?
[14:21:02] <boru> I'm not familiar with what you're talking about.
[14:21:17] <c0lo> =w nirvana fallacy
[14:21:18] <systemd> The nirvana fallacy is the informal fallacy of comparing actual things with unrealistic, idealized alternatives. It can also refer to the tendency to - https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:21:19] <FatPhil> research lab PVs are still only ~30% efficient, with promises of more - so there's plenty of improvement there
[14:21:52] <boru> I'd hardly call that nirvana fallacy, but okay.
[14:22:08] <boru> I _wish_ we could come up with something better.
[14:22:36] <boru> Those research lab PV cells are difficult to manufacture at scale, though.
[14:22:44] <c0lo> Given that the roof space not occupied by the PV produces nothing, 22% efficiency is infinitelly more than that.
[14:24:08] <FatPhil> unless the costs are too high, and alas they are uncomfortably high.
[14:24:09] <boru> Personally, I think that for large scale power systems, hydroelectric power is an excellent renewable where physical geographic features allow it.
[14:24:15] <c0lo> You won't feed an entire economy with the energy from the rooftop solars, but enough households can get self-ufficient with a battery buffer
[14:24:26] <FatPhil> hydroelectricity gets Norway's vote.
[14:24:32] <boru> Ireland, also.
[14:24:48] <boru> Denmark gets a huge amount of electricity from wind and tidal power.
[14:25:15] <boru> I think they're planning on building another Turlough Hill in Ireland. That is a very cool piece of engineering.
[14:25:16] <Runaway1956> Solar panels are nowhere near as efficient as they can be - and researchers are proving that
[14:25:18] <c0lo> Coober Pedy would like a dam too.
[14:25:42] <boru> PV cells also have that annoying breakdown and reduction of ~2% when they are exposed to sunlight, as well.
[14:26:16] <boru> I read a cool paper about these PV cells which had a circuit layout like a leaf to improve efficiency. Very cool, but very impractical for large scale manufacture.
[14:26:30] <FatPhil> I think that was posted to SN
[14:26:40] <boru> I wouldn't be surprised.
[14:27:42] <boru> Anyway, back to debugging annoying DMA problems.
[14:27:44] * boru absconds.
[14:30:02] <c0lo> Runaway1956, this for you https://dailycaller.com
[14:30:04] <systemd> ^ 03‘Written In Hell By The Devil Himself’: Sen. Mike Lee Says HR1 Bill Will Allow Democrats To ‘Remain In Power For Decades’
[14:30:30] <FatPhil> Is that the anti-gerrymandering bill?
[14:30:38] <FatPhil> needs 60% - never gonna pass.
[14:30:47] <c0lo> Among others, yes
[14:32:01] <FatPhil> Naively, yes, it will give dems a seemingly unsurmountable lead, assuming all things remain equal. So his worries are kinda true.
[14:32:47] * Runaway1956 should probabaly read HR1 to see how good/bad it is
[14:33:02] <Runaway1956> but gerrymandering has always pissed me off, no matter which party was doing it
[14:33:08] <c0lo> 60% of the senate or 60% of the votes? Like, I think one could arrange for a number of senators to not be there when the vote happens :grin:
[14:33:30] <AzumaHazuki> Sen. Mike Lee has revealed the GOP's weakness: they can't win in a fair election. it's not a surprise they've been pushing tons of voter suppression bills
[14:33:38] <FatPhil> However, society is a dynamical system that responds to pressures, and will react to counter the changes in pressures within. 50/50-ish will restore itself soon enough.
[14:33:42] <AzumaHazuki> i hope Biden shoves them all up McConnel's ass. Until he explodes.
[14:33:59] <inz> Why are the laws always bunldled up in these huge bills, wouldn't it be simpler to vote for each issue separately
[14:34:12] <FatPhil> gotta hide the pork
[14:34:14] <AzumaHazuki> inz: yes, but if they did that, we the people might actually have some say
[14:34:14] <Runaway1956> Biden has to stay awake long enough to shove anything anywhere
[14:35:22] <c0lo> Oh, I have this hunch that Biden can shove up their ass even when he sleeps.
[14:35:27] <FatPhil> c0lo: 60% senare, AIU
[14:35:30] <FatPhil> I
[14:35:39] <inz> Az, yeah, that sounds something like shouldn't be done, given that Trump was voted to power
[14:35:46] <FatPhil> fuck, I'll just start again. 60% senate, AIUI.
[14:36:10] <c0lo> I mean, look, Trump took it prety deep last time he undrestimated Biden.
[14:36:21] <c0lo> (or Biden's team)
[14:36:43] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, yes, which is why i keep warning people celebrating that the fascists are going to run someone competent again and that 2022 is the end if things aren't massively changed internally
[14:36:46] <Runaway1956> You mean the Dem political machine - biden's team didn't do it on their own
[14:37:06] <FatPhil> I think he underestimated himself. His potency. Like a strong fertiliser.
[14:37:20] <Runaway1956> The "Vast Left Wing Conspiracy" with a nod to Hillary Clinton
[14:37:28] <inz> Maybe you should just take the power away from the single point of failure, like civilized countries
[14:37:30] <AzumaHazuki> not for nothing, "before the 2022 midterms" is my "get the fuck out and go to Canuckistan" deadline
[14:37:34] <c0lo> No chance Trump gonna let them do something outside what he says, AzumaHazuki.
[14:37:55] <c0lo> And Trump didn't show too much competency.
[14:38:04] <c0lo> Just opportunism.
[14:38:20] <AzumaHazuki> i just have to hope he clings like sticky, smelly orange napalm and burns the GOP from the inside out then
[14:38:36] <Runaway1956> we're all agreed that Trump is an idiot - his Twitter account proves that if nothing else
[14:38:38] <AzumaHazuki> it would be fitting, hilarious, and poetic
[14:38:50] <c0lo> GOP asked for it and Trump will oblige.
[14:39:07] <Runaway1956> A lot of Trump's tweets were on the order of Bush's gaffe about a crusade
[14:39:15] <c0lo> Burned they'll be, the GOP
[14:39:18] <FatPhil> woh - a somewhat hillary-will-win level prognosis here: https://www.govtrack.us
[14:39:22] <systemd> ^ 03H.R. 1: For the People Act of 2021
[14:39:56] <AzumaHazuki> i've lost all faith in the process and people. all i want is for them to hold it together long enough for me to get the fuck out
[14:40:04] <AzumaHazuki> if they do better than that, wonderful, but i'm done
[14:40:47] <c0lo> Oh, wow. 87% to pass? That's like a stuff of wet dreams
[14:41:26] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his chin
[14:41:29] <FatPhil> I think they mean a probability of 87%
[14:41:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> which proposed voter suppression ideas we talking here?
[14:42:12] <FatPhil> However, that insight comes from https://www.skoposlabs.com - which sound like self-fart-sniffing west-coast bros.
[14:42:14] <systemd> ^ 03Skopos Labs
[14:42:19] <c0lo> Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. 87% chances to pass the senate hurdle.
[14:42:42] <AzumaHazuki> there's way too many of them to give just one or two examples. google it, carrion-breath. and keep in mind this is on top of all the gerrymandering and the shit that was pulled with the postal service
[14:42:47] <AzumaHazuki> the GOP can't win in a fair fight
[14:43:02] <AzumaHazuki> hell, they even lost an unfair one
[14:43:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't have to be exact, a one line summary will do
[14:43:20] <FatPhil> Can I bet against skopos? I literally would be willing to risk 1000$ at 7:1 odds
[14:43:40] <AzumaHazuki> google or ddg or what have you will give you much more than a one-line summary. do your own goddamn research
[14:43:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, so nothing you can defend then
[14:44:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff. i'll go do something productive then.
[14:44:10] <AzumaHazuki> okay,you don't HAVE to do the research, you can also shut up
[14:44:24] <c0lo> TMB, bout this one https://www.govtrack.us
[14:44:25] <systemd> ^ 03H.R. 1: For the People Act of 2021
[14:44:40] <AzumaHazuki> in fact, why don't I just dump your stupid carrion-molesting ass in the ignore file with runaway?
[14:45:09] <AzumaHazuki> there :)
[14:45:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, bit verbose
[14:46:00] <c0lo> No moar gerimandin, postal is always allowed, registration of voters is ... idk, wonderful? Then no moar signature checks
[14:46:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> it makes me laugh when she doesn't even pretend to be able to support her claims
[14:46:32] <AzumaHazuki> if they'd just make election day a national holiday that would solve a lot
[14:46:46] <c0lo> Stuff like that, to make voting a lot easier
[14:46:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, that's not voter suppression by the reps. that's easing the effort necessary for voter fraud for the dems.
[14:46:56] <AzumaHazuki> Senator Lee showed his hand way too hard there and gave the game away
[14:48:18] * c0lo for TMB convenience, Zumi's talking about this https://dailycaller.com
[14:48:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept the gerrymandering bit. and there's no real solution to that.
[14:48:59] <AzumaHazuki> anyone with half a brain already knows the GOP can't win a fair fight of course
[14:49:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, wasn't asking about HR1, i was asking about what she thought the reps were legislating to suppress votes
[14:49:49] * c0lo wtf is wrong with usian, always putting the things as a fight?
[14:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> hr1 is just clown shoes
[14:50:06] <AzumaHazuki> some provisions of this bill bother me. i don't like the lack of ID verification. but other than that? we've needed this for ages
[14:50:25] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[14:50:25] <systemd> ^ 03Man with no arms splitting wood chops better than you
[14:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> making voting easier isn't inherently bad. making it easier and completely insecure is.
[14:51:39] * Runaway1956 laughs at 'Zumi putting people on ignore - it only makes her look childish, if not retarded
[14:52:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, so, redundant then to anyone who's ever listened to her ever?
[14:52:14] <c0lo> Runaway, I doubt it https://www.youtube.com
[14:52:15] <systemd> ^ 03Extreme Fastest Automatic Firewood Processing Machine, Amazing Modern Wood Splitting Machine
[14:53:18] <Runaway1956> You don't get a lot of exercise from a wood splitting machine
[14:53:27] <Runaway1956> an axe gets your cardio going
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[14:54:47] <c0lo> Cardio is for whimps anyway. A trong man is happy to die quick.
[14:55:04] <c0lo> s/trong/strong/
[14:55:04] <SedBot> <c0lo> Cardio is for whimps anyway. A strong man is happy to die quick.
[14:56:01] <Ingar> cycling with 6 Bft headwind
[14:56:08] <Ingar> it was quite fun on the road this morning
[14:56:47] <Ingar> fortunately I'll have wind in the back on the way home
[14:57:10] <Runaway1956> The wind is supposed to shift before you go home though
[14:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
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[15:00:33] <Ingar> tu quoque, buzzardi mi
[15:05:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> dudane lactae desiderius
[15:06:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me, as not us
[15:14:20] <c0lo> cu, getta got some sleep
[15:15:27] <Runaway1956> sleep is highly over rated
[15:15:35] <Runaway1956> you can sleep when you get old
[15:16:05] <AzumaHazuki> ah, my poor lappy...still doing emerge -e world from 12 hours ago
[15:16:31] <AzumaHazuki> 325 packages to go. one of them is firefox though @_@ glad i keep gcc on the stable branch so this happens rarely
[15:16:36] <Runaway1956> Sixth accuser comes out on Cuomo
[15:18:34] <Runaway1956> =submit https://asia.nikkei.com
[15:18:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Nikkei Asia" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, because being a douche sexually is way more important than killing thousands of old people and covering it up
[15:19:09] <Runaway1956> My feelings exactly TMB
[15:19:41] <Runaway1956> As for the women - that whole "Me Too" and "Gotta Trust the Women" thing grates on me
[15:20:03] <Runaway1956> Find enough women who don't like you, for whatever reason, and they can have you crucified
[15:21:08] <Runaway1956> Cambodia records it's FIRST COVID death - 16 months into the pandemic
[15:22:19] <Runaway1956> https://www.foxnews.com
[15:22:20] <systemd> ^ 03California proposes curriculum with chanting name of Aztec god who accepts human sacrifice
[15:24:30] <AzumaHazuki> as opposed to the name of an ancient Semitic God who accepts human sacrifice, cf. Jephthah's daughter? :)
[15:25:09] * Runaway1956 notes the antiSemitism remark
[15:26:04] * Runaway1956 wonders what happened to the separation of church and state
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[15:30:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> religions other than Christianity/Judaism aren't parental to the woke, so they must be the bees knees
[15:30:50] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki: drop gentoo, stop wasting CPU cycles on system build :p
[15:31:02] <AzumaHazuki> never. gentoo was my first linux and nothing else feels right
[15:31:18] <Ingar> my first linux was slackware, havent used it in decades
[15:31:25] <Runaway1956> Gentoo gives it's users a sense of superiority - great for the insecure
[15:31:29] <AzumaHazuki> Artix and Void get very close, but this level of control and familiarity just feels like home
[15:31:43] <Ingar> Runaway1956: arch on teh other hadn, jsut is superior
[15:31:48] <Ingar> *the other hand
[15:32:03] <AzumaHazuki> s/arch/artix/
[15:32:16] <AzumaHazuki> no systemd on my compies :< ever.
[15:32:26] <Ingar> I actually test gentoo when I got tired of running LFS
[15:32:42] <Ingar> it lasted a full hour before it killed my system
[15:32:51] <Ingar> installed arch, never looked back :p
[15:33:03] <Ingar> I'll never forgive gentoo for destroying my $HOME
[15:33:12] <AzumaHazuki> what went wrong? gentoo has always been good to me, all the way back to 2004
[15:33:20] <AzumaHazuki> it was difficult to learn but it's part of me now
[15:33:34] <Ingar> I mounted my existing home in gentoo
[15:33:49] <Ingar> it had some script assuming it could just delete stuff in $HOME
[15:34:07] <Ingar> oh, that wasn't a symlink
[15:34:10] <boru> Pft, linux. Real Hackers™ use BSD.
[15:34:28] <Ingar> boru: OpenBSD you mean
[15:34:42] <boru> Any BSD is better than linux.
[15:34:47] <Ingar> FreeBSD is for hippies
[15:34:50] <boru> Or should I say Lennux.
[15:34:58] <Ingar> no, I'm european
[15:35:03] <Ingar> I can pronounce vowels the proper way
[15:35:13] <boru> Whoosh.
[15:35:36] <boru> But I guess that makes me a hippy. I've used FreeBSD for decades, now.
[15:36:09] <Ingar> I did use FreeBSD
[15:36:22] <Ingar> these days, I'd rather use my machines than tinker with OS'es
[15:36:32] <boru> Code isn't as nice as OpenBSD or NetBSD, but it's been a solid daily workhorse that's stayed out of my way through most of that time.
[15:36:41] <boru> Right.
[15:37:32] <boru> I'm the same. I have a fully working and usable FreeBSD desktop in about 10m on a new machine.
[15:37:33] <Ingar> I could just as well have used Ubuntu, but I'm allergic to debian and derivatives
[15:39:19] <boru> These days, I only use ports for stuff not available as a package, though, and I don't bother building my own kernel/world but rather pull binary updates from -RELEASE.
[15:39:45] <boru> Not that it's difficult, it's just a chore.
[15:40:10] <boru> Pull my dotfiles from a git repo, and that's it. All done.
[15:40:21] <AzumaHazuki> i'd just end up compiling everything anyway, so may as well stay on gentoo
[15:40:41] <Runaway1956> https://gizmodo.com
[15:40:41] <systemd> ^ 03I Love This Over-Engineered Door Handle That Wipes Itself Down With Disinfectant After Every Use
[15:40:46] <boru> Well, gentoos about as close a linux comes to BSD wrt ports, so yeah, makes sense, I guess.
[15:40:58] <boru> Nothing to preclude that experience on BSD, either, mind you.
[15:42:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm just not a bsd fan. i've used it from bsdi on up through free/open/netbsd. i just ain't a fan of having to write my own drivers if i want a piece of not especially popular but off the shelf hardware to work.
[15:43:22] <boru> I haven't had that happen to me in almost two decades, but I've also had the same experience on linux at times.
[15:43:41] <boru> e.g. when some vendor would release driver for 2.4 kernels, or not support linux at all.
[15:44:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, still happens on linux but it's generally solved within a year.
[15:44:31] <boru> Some test equipment, and astronomical equipment as well.
[15:44:43] <boru> More hands on deck for linux, I guess.
[15:44:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:44:51] <boru> Plus contributions from vendors as well.
[15:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> bingo
[15:45:08] <boru> i.e. all of the binary blogs packaged with the kernel now.
[15:45:24] <boru> Some of that has crept into FreeBSD as well.
[15:45:37] <boru> For high end NICs and stuff like that.
[15:45:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> those don't bother me overly much. i'd prefer life without them but my rectum does not need chapstick to tolerate them.
[15:46:04] <boru> Heh, you have a way with words at times, old friend.
[15:46:15] * TheMightyBuzzard tips hat
[15:46:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of the best parts of the south, along with the lack of freezing your balls off: the colloquialisms
[15:49:03] <boru> Aye, I used to work with a big fella from Texas who is quite a character. Still go for a beer with him now and again and exchange sayings.
[15:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> for them what say a mountain lion can't be a house cat: https://www.facebook.com
[15:52:06] <systemd> ^ 03I_am_puma on Facebook Watch
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[15:54:05] <Runaway1956> https://www.nytimes.com
[15:54:06] <systemd> ^ 03JPG File Sells for $69 Million, as ‘NFT Mania’ Gathers Pace
[15:54:15] <Runaway1956> need moar stupid shits
[15:56:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 1.6-GW Coal Plant May Get New Life as Green Hydrogen Hub - https://sylnt.us
[15:57:39] <FatPhil> rare tulips for sale...
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[15:58:25] <AzumaHazuki> humans never learn
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[16:00:19] <FatPhil> "... gives buyers proof of authenticity and ownership ..." - no it bleedin' doesn't.
[16:02:47] <AzumaHazuki> people are fucking stupid though so...*shrug
[16:03:39] <FatPhil> someone ought to create 256 NFTs, each for a digital resource precisely one byte long, each one different.
[16:04:11] <FatPhil> Then someone stupid and rich like Musk could buy them and claim "I own all the bytes!"
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[16:08:46] <progo> my friend thinks there's something to this NFT thing as a means for a pundit or entertainer to make money aside from donations
[16:08:52] <progo> I don't think so
[16:09:04] <progo> I'll bet even Musky will have forgotten NFTs by June
[16:09:15] <FatPhil> it's a thing from which a person can get money, that bit is true
[16:09:37] <progo> a lot of people are assuming the sole purpose of NFT is money laundering
[16:09:38] <FatPhil> it's the other end of the exchange that is the unicorn-fart
[16:10:43] <FatPhil> why not sell an actual piece of "art" instead?
[16:10:58] <progo> boring?
[16:11:10] <FatPhil> was shit in a can boring?
[16:11:26] <FatPhil> cambell's soup?
[16:11:44] <progo> I know an animator who does "$100 drawings". give her a prompt, exactly 2 words, and $100. she'll draw it in the digital domain, post on social media, and mail a print or something
[16:11:47] <FatPhil> a rectangle of one colour on a background of another colour?
[16:11:48] <progo> no crypto
[16:17:20] <progo> I'm erasing a hard drive in a laptop before sending back to HP because Windows Update broke the sound driver…
[16:17:37] <progo> I forgot to set the damned thing not to sleep. I went to sleep while it was erasing. so did the laptop
[16:18:31] <progo> never buying Windows again if I can avoid it. from a good vendor the extra cost of no mega scale for Linux products is still worth it for what you get
[16:18:54] <boru> The technology to detect when a computer is actually idle so power saving can be made is decades away at least. Give microsoft a break.
[16:19:14] <progo> (erasing the HDD -- only the empty space after deleting profiles; Windows is on a separate SSD in same system)
[16:19:30] <progo> boru++
[16:19:30] <Bender> karma - boru: 45
[16:19:54] <boru> It's safe to say that microsoft probably already have a copy of that data, so erasing it is pointless.
[16:20:22] <Runaway1956> Hunter Biden wishes he had taken your advice before sending his laptop for service progo
[16:20:24] <progo> 4+ hours with support agents screwing around with Logmein: they cannot give me a sound driver that works. firmware diagnostic tool doesn't run inside windows: speakers work fine
[16:20:54] <progo> Runaway1956: I can't imagine sending a laptop away without erasing personal data first. it's just … I mean, I don't operate any other way
[16:20:58] <progo> I don't even have anything to hide
[16:21:01] <progo> AFAIK
[16:21:34] <Runaway1956> You have done or said something racissssss that can be used against you
[16:21:45] <Runaway1956> if not, you've got something sexissss
[16:22:14] <boru> IMHO, it's less about having something to hide than the principle of not having your right to privacy respected.
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[16:23:56] <progo> and it's about controlling the unknowns
[16:24:24] <progo> I don't know if the repair guy is going to read through everything he finds. if I erase it, all I CARE about is whether he fixes the computer
[16:24:35] <Runaway1956> progo++
[16:24:35] <Bender> karma - progo: 1
[16:27:45] <progo> really pisses me off that this laptop model ships with a choice of Windows Home or go fuck yourself
[16:27:54] <progo> Microsoft wants over $100 I think to upgrade the Windows license
[16:28:03] <progo> and Home does not come with disk encryption
[16:28:09] <progo> all other consumer OSes do have it
[16:29:19] <progo> eventually this summer I'll try installing Windows Enterprise without a license on a separate boot device, check the sound and video drivers and all that crap, and if it works, replace Windows on the main boot device
[16:29:35] <Runaway1956> https://phys.org
[16:29:36] <systemd> ^ 03New species of firefly discovered in Singapore
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[18:01:42] <Runaway1956> progo - Windows 10 Home has no group policy editor either - which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to limit the telemetry
[18:02:18] <Runaway1956> Pirate a Pro version, and you can control you Windows better
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[18:02:28] <Runaway1956> OMG, did I say "pirate"??
[18:02:34] <progo> it HAS gpedit.msc. I swear that form set had "disable unannounced windows update" but it's gone now
[18:03:13] <Runaway1956> Odd, I've read stuff that said otherwise - wonder why?
[18:03:13] <progo> I consider myself entitled to any version of windows I want, considering the number of license stickers I didn't want but paid for, and the fact that Home is the only consumer OS with no encryption
[18:03:26] <Runaway1956> LOL, agree with that
[18:03:31] <progo> that market segmentation on encryption is inexcusable
[18:03:52] * Runaway1956 wonders if it can be installed or enabled with some cheat
[18:04:45] <progo> regarding my earlier conversation about controlling unknowns: I don't like carrying storage devices and computers outside home with no full device encryption
[18:05:01] <progo> I feel much better not worrying about what might have been recorded on it, if I lose it
[18:05:48] <progo> I always meant to solve this on the HP laptop in question (with Windows Home), but I've only had it a couple of months, and the broken audio driver is a more critical issue. I need to start with a baseline of they delivered a computer that bloody WORKS, to me
[18:19:01] <chromas> You don't need to pirate windows; you can download the iso off the ms web site
[18:20:17] <chromas> you can run it unactivated forever or get yourself a hwid activator from your favorite google result. The activation registers with MS, so you can reinstall windows all you want and it automatically re-activates once you connect to the internets
[18:26:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Verkada Surveillance Cameras at Tesla, Hundreds More Businesses Breached - https://sylnt.us
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[18:30:28] <Runaway1956> this may be of interest progo
[18:30:35] <Runaway1956> https://www.experts-exchange.com
[18:30:36] <systemd> ^ 03How to use Bitlocker on Windows 10 Home
[18:30:45] <progo> ooh, good old expert sex change
[18:31:03] <progo> I didn't know there was any useful information there
[18:31:24] <Runaway1956> I didn't say useful, I said of interest
[18:31:45] <chromas> For awhile they'd use third-party javascript or something to cockblock you from seeing the answers, so umatrix or whatever would let you get 'em
[18:31:59] <progo> I'm in a class meeting now. (since 3.5 hours ago; psst! don't tell anyone I'm in IRC too.) I'll read this doc later. if it helps, thanks Runaway1956
[18:32:23] <Runaway1956> kk - good luck
[18:32:27] <chromas> video conference?
[18:32:46] <progo> chromas: just run a "readable view" script and/or don't execute js on Expert Sex Change. I remember the hiding thing and they don't seem to do it now
[18:32:55] * chromas notices Runaway1956's about one k short of a hat trick
[18:33:00] <progo> video, audio, screen sharing. mostly one-way lecturing
[18:33:24] <progo> students are responding to questions via voice but interrupting via text mostly
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[18:33:47] <chromas> Seems like they used to SEO their way to the top results on google. then it was some shithole called forumsee.
[18:33:48] <chromas> seo--
[18:33:48] <Bender> karma - seo: -2
[18:37:25] <progo> chromas: Experts Exchange was 105% of the reason Stack Overflow / Stack Exchange was created
[18:37:49] <progo> Spolsky and what's-his-name saw a problem and said "this needs to be solved and the bad site needs to be DESTROYED in the market"
[18:38:56] <chromas> but did he point expert-sexchange.com to it?
[18:39:06] <progo> lol
[18:39:09] <progo> someone else probably did
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[18:39:25] <progo> the original domain name for Expert Sex Change was actually expertsexchange.com, so lots of people read it like I did
[18:40:10] <chromas> aw it's parked now
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[18:41:28] * chromas creates a competitor called stack underflow
[18:42:27] <progo> someone should create a tech knowledge site in the form of a fully programmable TTY MUD with no privilege restrictions for non-admins
[18:42:29] <progo> :^)
[18:42:52] <progo> new game: "capture the answer from the opposing team"
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[18:47:29] <FatPhil> oh noes - their opsec told them to encrypt it
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[18:58:23] * Runaway1956 gets all teary eyed over this story with a happy ending
[18:58:27] <Runaway1956> https://www.wect.com
[18:58:28] <systemd> ^ 03“I shot him twice.” 911 calls reveal frantic moments after man allegedly pushes his way inside off-duty deputy’s home
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[20:57:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Science Fair Teen Found Way to Remove Microplastics from Water - https://sylnt.us
[20:58:12] <Bytram> kyonko: You've been JOINing and QUITting for hours
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[20:58:43] <kyonko> yeah Bytram, thats what rural internet looks like
[20:59:04] <Bytram> Ugh.
[20:59:10] <kyonko> it begins once my data plan runs out, looks like they drop the quality of service
[20:59:12] <Bytram> what IRC client you using?
[20:59:13] <chromas> so kyonko^ is rural but kyonko is urban?
[20:59:38] <kyonko> iirc its ipv6 routing
[21:00:05] <Bytram> maybe you can change a setting so it takes longer for the IRC client to think you've quit?
[21:00:05] <kyonko> but both end up in the gutter with quality of service and routing
[21:00:21] <kyonko> oh yeah I looked into it
[21:00:35] <kyonko> the irc protocol sends a ping every 5 minutes (301 seconds)
[21:00:50] <kyonko> you need to tweak the server for slow rural connections or dial ups
[21:01:41] <chromas> Not getting timeouts but connection resets
[21:01:48] * chromas blames Microsoft
[21:01:55] <Microsoft> You rang?
[21:01:55] <kyonko> yeah probably the routers, but "they will never tell"
[21:02:07] <kyonko> I used to be on dial up untill 2008
[21:02:38] <Bytram> fwiw, the very first modem I bought was 300 baud. In junior high school, we had dial-up access w/ a rotary-dialed phone and acoustic-coupled 110 baud modem.
[21:02:38] <kyonko> I never do hit dial up speeds on modern slow internet tho
[21:03:08] <kyonko> wow baud, how long did it take for text to fill the screen?
[21:03:40] <chromas> He didn't have a screen. He had to wait for the TTY to print
[21:03:49] <kyonko> lol a tty
[21:03:53] <Bytram> Screen? Yellow-roll-of-paper Teletype with paper-tape off-line storage.
[21:04:11] <kyonko> yuck what was that an imsai or mits altair?
[21:04:18] <Bytram> IIRC model 37
[21:04:30] <Bytram> =w teletye
[21:04:31] <systemd> [0 results]
[21:04:37] <Bytram> =w teletype
[21:04:37] <systemd> A teleprinter (teletypewriter, teletype or TTY) is an electromechanical device that can be used to send and receive typed messages through various communications - https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:05:02] <kyonko> the internet is good enough here for e-mail and irc, with tweaks at the server end
[21:05:32] <kyonko> I've been using discord app to chat with a rando like its e-mail over a period of days
[21:05:45] <Bytram> Found it! https://upload.wikimedia.org
[21:06:18] <kyonko> I had to "try out" discord to see if it didn't have any privacy leak shenanigans, like phone numbers and e-mail address
[21:06:31] <Bytram> 'cept on the right-hand-side were cups into which the phone handset would get cradled
[21:06:41] <chromas> the cupholders
[21:06:46] <kyonko> I read that discord bans tutanota and protonmail from signing up accounts and they get quick hit with the 2FA hammer
[21:07:04] <kyonko> so far I only have 1 discord account to my 2FA mobile number
[21:07:38] <kyonko> discord is like irc but without the join/quit spam
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[21:07:59] <kyonko> that guy is on ipv4, i am on ipv6, same isp
[21:08:07] <kyonko> same router infact down here
[21:08:33] <chromas> Maybe they limit ipv4 connection time since we're always just about to run out of ipv4 addies any moment now
[21:08:55] <kyonko> yeah, I mean ipv4 is a joke, since you can nest an ipv4 NAT infinately deep
[21:09:14] <kyonko> and then you can use somethin like logmeinhamachi vpn for raw internet routing
[21:09:50] <kyonko> traceroute won't tell you the truth, like fuck, now I got to get into the DOS to find the true CHS geom
[21:11:19] <chromas> there is no chs geometry
[21:11:41] <chromas> no spinning rust either
[21:11:45] <chromas> it's all dead, like segments
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[21:14:25] <chromas> and your connection
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[21:16:17] <chromas> so your ipv6 is also time-limited I guess
[21:17:09] <kyonko> no, its always on, always up, but slow the routers drop it
[21:17:27] <kyonko> its irony, but I always have a good path to infowars
[21:17:43] <chromas> they don't want you holding connections open for very long
[21:17:49] <chromas> could be buttpirating movies or something
[21:18:03] <kyonko> you know, but what about the netflix ddos hipocracy?
[21:18:22] <chromas> who's ddosing netflix?
[21:18:38] <kyonko> netflix is a ddos
[21:19:08] <chromas> nonsense, poopypants! people want netflix traffic and pay for it
[21:19:18] <kyonko> I'm recently getting into SSL/TLS with self signed certificates, you think "they" don't get redflagged
[21:19:45] <chromas> they shouldn't, but that's Big Cert™ at work
[21:19:58] <kyonko> Big Cert isn't new
[21:20:18] <chromas> but their lobbying to get self-signed certs stigmatized is someone newish, kinda
[21:20:20] <kyonko> look at how mozilla depecrated ftp and composer when they made HTTP duplex
[21:20:32] <Bytram> =g certs breath mints
[21:20:33] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Certs - Wikipedia
[21:20:50] <kyonko> I'll never forget how kermit seemed like black magic in 1999
[21:20:50] <chromas> and rss
[21:20:56] <Bytram> (For when you gotta keep it fresh)
[21:21:06] <chromas> wasn't kermit a little ancient by 1999?
[21:21:13] <kyonko> no
[21:21:18] <kyonko> I had a shell on an at&t 3b2
[21:21:24] <kyonko> and an .htdocs
[21:21:52] <chromas> 1981. that's millenia in puter years
[21:21:54] <kyonko> the only bad things about those computers is that they suck power
[21:22:42] <kyonko> I got a bunch of power sucker vintage computers that should be outlawed
[21:23:27] <kyonko> you have to calibrate, balance the vintage of computing for the era related peripherals
[21:23:36] <kyonko> scanners, audio-video
[21:23:54] <kyonko> I almost had a stroke from the epiphany
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[21:35:22] <FatPhil> I think i last used kermit in ~1990. Had an RM380Z that had a printer, and I wanted to print stuff out from my Spectrum and Atari ST, so just transfered the text over to the RM and printed it from there.
[21:36:49] <FatPhil> printer was a real centronics with a full bidirectional parallel interface.
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[21:38:27] <FatPhil> even had a paper tape reader on it, but I had no idea how to interface with it.
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[21:50:57] <kyonko> how do you even keep paper tapes safe?
[21:52:07] <Bytram> roll it up and secure it with a rubber band / elastic.
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[21:53:49] <kyonko> wouldn't a tough polymer be better
[21:53:57] <kyonko> but.... then again, it could be magnetic
[21:54:07] <kyonko> or hybrid
[21:56:21] <kyonko> i have to come to terms that chromebooks are the future, and honestly, are more open than apple ever will be going forward
[21:57:56] <Bytram> IIRC, the paper tape was coated. Has a slightly waxy surface to it.
[21:58:08] <FatPhil> yup, was plasticised IIRC
[21:58:31] <FatPhil> or perhaps a fabric like currency
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[22:03:31] <Bytram> On second thought, kinda like (cheap) magazine stock?
[22:08:55] <kyonko> Bytram, whatever that is
[22:09:04] <kyonko> physical spam grade
[22:09:17] <Bytram> now I remember...
[22:09:22] <Bytram> =w coated paper
[22:09:23] <systemd> Coated paper (also known as enamel paper, gloss paper, and slick paper) is paper that has been coated by a mixture of materials or a polymer to impart - https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:09:39] <kyonko> I wonder how much uptime I can get on this linux distro
[22:09:56] <kyonko> I managed collapsing "gslapt" with OOM
[22:10:05] <Bytram> think of a newspaper, then a hardcover book, and then a glossy magazine
[22:10:20] <kyonko> yeah I know Bytram , really chemically intensive
[22:10:36] <kyonko> they say japan controls that specific market
[22:10:41] <Bytram> in that case. nbm
[22:10:51] <Bytram> and, with that, I need some sleep.
[22:10:53] <Bytram> laters
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[22:41:43] <kyonko> this is why discord
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[22:46:51] <chromas> mattermost is more betterer
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[23:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kickban kyonko^ come back when you're not on bad dial-up
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[23:20:03] * Runaway1956 collects a bushel of bad dial-up to throw in burn barrel
[23:20:29] <Runaway1956> Yay - I got USB3 working in my virtual machines!
[23:20:51] <Runaway1956> Have to install a very specific version of VBox extensions
[23:21:05] <Runaway1956> the version downloaded by default doesn't work
[23:21:13] <Runaway1956> *sigh*
[23:23:32] <chromas> Mine won't let me pass real devices in :(
[23:26:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Biden Signs $1.9 Trillion Stimulus Bill, Making $1,400 Checks and Child Tax Credit Official - https://sylnt.us - a-billion-here-a-billion-there-pretty-soon-you're-talking-about-real-money
[23:27:58] <kyonko> TheMightyBuzzard, its not dial up, its a bit faster
[23:28:15] <kyonko> but not fast enough it seems for routers
[23:29:11] <kyonko> dial up is capped at 5.5Kbps at v.92
[23:29:43] <kyonko> they stopped routing packets that slow in 2005
[23:32:51] <kyonko> I know because I used v.92 untill 2008
[23:33:24] <kyonko> now they just upped it to something higher
[23:36:07] <kyonko> ISDN wasn't that faster than dial up
[23:36:35] <kyonko> 64 kbps, bonded modems to 128kbps
[23:36:44] <kyonko> literally hi def audio bitrates
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[23:40:07] <chromas> How's Wayland?
[23:54:22] <Runaway1956> I missed your comment chromas take a look here
[23:54:27] <Runaway1956> https://www.techrepublic.com
[23:54:28] <systemd> ^ 03How to enable USB in VirtualBox
[23:54:54] <Runaway1956> download the file for All supported platforms.
[23:55:25] <Runaway1956> don't download the Windows or the Linux or Mac versions, get the all supported
[23:58:23] <kyonko> BIOS
[23:58:29] <kyonko> or is it the T2 in macs?
[23:58:35] <kyonko> funny that name
[23:59:01] <kyonko> don't you think its kinda funny IBM PC BIOS can read USB devices?
[23:59:22] <Runaway1956> Snot funny
[23:59:32] <kyonko> Whats hidden in there?
[23:59:44] <kyonko> remember when a computer game took over the whole system?
[23:59:50] <Runaway1956> Left nuts and right nuts
[23:59:59] <kyonko> 640k ought to be enough for anybody