#soylent | Logs for 2021-07-21
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[00:09:49] <AzumaHazuki> raxas is correct that the current model is wrong
[00:10:09] <AzumaHazuki> but, very few people will admit this, and no one in power will change it as they benefit from its brokenness
[00:15:16] <Runaway1956> LOLOL!!! I got to use a spam mod in 'zumi's spam mod journal!!
[00:26:41] <Bytram> "Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken
[00:31:19] <AzumaHazuki> sometimes there are neat, plausible, and correct explanations. too many people use that as a thought-terminating cliche
[00:34:00] <Bytram> this was talking about *solutions*, not *explanations*.
[00:36:40] <Bytram> rather than criticize, (anybody can do *that*) offer a *workable* solution. Do keep in mind: "It is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer." --Benjamin Franklin
[00:37:13] <Bytram> IOW, no false positives.
[00:37:54] <Bytram> I'm knackered and gonna try to get to bed at a reasonable hour for once.
[00:38:06] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!
[00:42:40] <AzumaHazuki> oh, goodie, the Peoples' Republic of Texassistan has a lambda-variant case now
[00:47:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Tests Hypersonic Tsirkon Missile, Leaving NATO Concerned about Potential Escalation - https://sylnt.us
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[01:27:40] <RunawayXXXX> Incorrect spam mod in aisle four! Clean up requested!
[01:30:50] <AzumaHazuki> lol, you saw it too? :D
[01:30:57] <AzumaHazuki> sooooo much assmad
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[01:35:18] <Runaway1956> RunawayXXXX got the spam mod he deserved, or aristarchus, or AC, or whatever nick you're using at the moment
[01:36:17] <Runaway1956> The channel moderators seem to tolerate you using a nick in here which is a direct rip on my own registered nick - that's rather odd
[01:38:39] <RunawayXXXX> Runaway1956, who are you, and why have you ripped off my nick?
[01:39:33] <Runaway1956> requerdanos - can you do something about this buttwipe?
[01:40:34] <Runaway1956> And, PLEASE don't take away the spam mod he so richly deserves
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[01:44:13] <RunawayXXXX> "His own iniquities entrap the wicked man, And he is caught in the cords of his sin." Proverbs 5:22
[01:45:06] <AzumaHazuki> oooh, look, i have a fanboy
[01:45:15] <AzuFloozie> If a name isn't registered, I can use it any way I like - just like I'm using RunawayXXXX
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[01:46:53] <requernancyboy> someone tell runaway1956 to stop whining - I can use any nick I like
[01:47:02] <RunawayXXXX> If all that is taken care of, could we discuss something significant, like flooding in China?
[01:47:06] <RunawayXXXX> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[01:47:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Deadly Flooding Hits Central China, Affecting Tens of Millions" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:48:07] <RunawayXXXX> Video of subway riders belly-button deep in water, on a moving train.
[01:52:13] <RunawayXXXX> "He will die because there is no discipline, and be lost because of his great stupidity." Proverbs 5:23
[01:57:17] <Runaway1956> I want an explanation for this people: https://soylentnews.org
[01:57:18] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Spam-mod the racist trolls - We have official permission! ( https://soylentnews.org )
[01:57:49] <Runaway1956> And, I want an explanation why RunawayXXXX is permitted to parade around on IRC using that nick
[02:04:23] <RunawayXXXX> And, I want an explanation how Runaway1959 can run away with this nick on IRC!
[02:06:55] <RunawayXXXX> "Twelve people have been killed in the provincial capital, Zhengzhou, where more than 20cm (7.8in) of rain fell in one hour on Tuesday." Worse than Germany?
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[02:32:45] <RunawayXXXX> /quit
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[02:39:40] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.statesmanjournal.com
[02:39:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Survey Reveals Scale of Oregonian Support for White Nationalist Ideals" (42p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:42:43] <DeucalionXXXX> =submit http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com
[02:42:45] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Vanguard News Network &Raquo; Blog Archive &Raquo; Why Multiculturalism is Doomed but Nationalism Wi" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:45:46] <DeucalionXXXX> =submit https://news.yahoo.com
[02:45:58] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Jeff Bezos Thanked Amazon Workers for Paying for His Space Flight. for Some, the Feeling Isn't Mutua" (46p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:48:18] <DeucalionXXXX> =submit https://vdare.com
[02:48:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Michelle Malkin: Return of the Fleebagger Democrats" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:49:32] <DeucalionXXXX> =submit https://vdare.com
[02:49:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ethnicity Looks Something Like Kinship" (3p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:54:24] <DeucalionXXXX> =submit https://www.iglta.org
[02:54:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "032021 Global Gay Pride Calendar" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:57:10] <DeucalionXXXX> =submit https://medium.com
[02:57:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ten Black Philosophers That Should be Taught in Schools" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:58:13] <DeucalionXXXX> Deucalion doesn't mind me using his name, why should that cretin Runsaway?
[02:58:28] <requerdanos> .kick DeucalionXXXX Indeed.
[02:58:28] -!- DeucalionXXXX was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(requerdanos) Indeed.]
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[03:00:37] <requerdanosXXXX> I'm offended, I tell you!
[03:00:37] <AzumaHazuki> what the sense-make?
[03:01:16] -!- requerdanosXXXX was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(requerdanos) No reason given]
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[03:02:06] <chromasXXXX> What gives?
[03:02:27] -!- mode/#soylent [+b *!*@77.247.jiv.hgp] by Aphrodite
[03:02:30] * AzumaHazuki dives under table with Hatsumi plush to wait this one out...
[03:02:40] -!- chromasXXXX was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(requerdanos) No reason given]
[03:03:55] <Runaway1956> Huh - isn't that interesting . . . .
[03:04:14] <requerdanos> apologies for the late notice
[03:04:29] <requerdanos> I was asleep for most of it
[03:04:29] <Runaway1956> Well, better late than never - thank you!
[03:04:56] <AzumaHazuki> what the actual hell is going on?
[03:05:46] <Runaway1956> If it isn't aristarchus sock puppets, I'll kiss your ass on Times Square Azumi Zuki
[03:06:13] <Runaway1956> Not the black and white donkey, the speckled one
[03:13:38] <requerdanos> It wonders me why so many work so hard to troll such a small audience
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[03:16:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Astronauts on International Space Station are Growing Chile Peppers in a First for NASA - https://sylnt.us - A-hua!
[03:16:46] <Runaway1956> Oh, I missed that one - I think he just wants to prove he has a bigger dick than anyone else on #soylent
[03:17:27] <Runaway1956> He knows I can't kick or ban him, guess he thinks no one else can either
[03:19:20] <requerdanos> It's the story submissions under other people's names that bug me the most.
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[05:13:43] <c0lo> =submit https://www.npr.org
[05:13:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03U.S. Life Expectancy Fell by 1.5 Years in 2020, the Biggest Drop Since WW II" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[05:23:17] <Sulla> c0lo: seen any good resources on programming your own keyboard?
[05:55:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Twitch Streamers Rake in Millions with a Shady Crypto Gambling Boom - https://sylnt.us
[05:56:49] <c0lo> sulla, I haven't ever looked. For curiosity, what made you think I'd know?
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[06:12:56] <Sulla> In the past you have pointed out interesting articles when i was discussing keyboards with others
[06:39:31] <chromas> Welcome back Sulla
[06:40:02] <chromas> I cheated and used QMK. Works on my 3d-printed numberpad
[06:42:39] <chromas> (assuming you're the real Sulla and not ari still being a dickwagon)
[06:46:22] <chromas> Once I came across a random forum post mentioning a create script, it was easy enough to make a new layout and make it do whatever I wanted
[06:46:53] <Sulla> I'm real enough
[06:47:17] <Sulla> right now using some "keyboard-layout-editor.com"
[06:47:30] <Sulla> WHile I continue to wait on Hemo to get his cnc running decided to start a new project
[06:48:00] <Sulla> Going to custom build a F122 so i can gear it toward increasing my productivity at work
[06:48:20] <Sulla> adding two columns of 5 keys on the left and shifting some things around
[06:49:04] <Sulla> New columns for num lock, page up, backspace, page down, copy, paste, backtab, forward tab, enter
[06:49:19] <Sulla> on the numpad replace the numlock with escape, - with =, split the plus into - and +
[06:49:25] <Sulla> and of course 0 to 0 and 00
[06:50:38] <chromas> If you get an Arduino (or Chinesium ripoff) get one with the extra pins. The ones that come in multi-packs for $20 only have about 18 or so pins, so that's only 81 keys
[06:50:52] <chromas> though you could use two together like it's a split keyboard I guess
[06:51:25] <Sulla> https://ibb.co
[06:51:27] <systemd> ^ 03Capture
[06:51:47] <chromas> That's a lot of enter
[06:52:26] <Sulla> Yeah, but would be a huge time saver
[06:52:33] <chromas> btw it turns out F13—F24 are used as launch and other speshul keys that some keyboards have. Also I think Favorites and stuff.
[06:52:52] <Sulla> Yeah, fo rnow just placeholders
[06:53:00] <Sulla> but figure i'll throw in some general shortcuts
[06:53:14] <Sulla> eg ctrl-shift-j is useful in peoplesoft when doing security access
[06:54:07] <chromas> They do random things, like F15 seems to scroll down in Firefox
[06:54:13] <Sulla> intersting
[06:54:14] <chromas> or at least it did, now those keys aren't doing anything
[06:54:26] <Sulla> i just ordered a unicomp battleship so i'll play with them once i get it
[06:54:53] <chromas> ah, the wire broke off that row. fpos
[06:54:57] <Sulla> i think all those keys are reprogrammable, so might not even need to mess with making one from scratch
[06:55:01] <Sulla> lame
[06:55:21] <chromas> I sorta screwed up and now I can't get the pcb to fit into its hole so it's just dangling
[06:55:32] <Sulla> lame
[06:56:07] <Sulla> roommate has like 10 model Ms in various states of repair
[06:56:11] <Sulla> been doing tons of cleaning
[06:57:00] <chromas> I wonder how hard it would be to home-make some buckling spring switches
[06:57:10] <chromas> have you seen the 3d-printed switches with tiny magnets?
[06:57:17] <Sulla> yeah those are sweet
[06:57:36] <Sulla> I'm hard pressed between whether i like buckling springs or kalih box jade/navy more
[06:58:10] <chromas> I got box royal and haiko royal which are almost the same has box (they're modifed ones I guess) but are on clearance sale
[06:58:26] <Sulla> oh nice
[06:58:30] <chromas> Haven't tried any others but I likes 'em
[06:58:30] <Sulla> i have some box royals too
[06:58:35] <Sulla> if i recall they are supposed to be like quiet navy
[06:58:52] <chromas> yeah
[06:58:55] <chromas> still pretty noisy
[06:59:09] <chromas> so I assume navy are even more louderer
[06:59:27] <Sulla> yeah
[06:59:48] <Sulla> just grabbed royal/navy/jade. royal is the middle tactility between the two
[07:00:03] <chromas> actually most of the noise is the impact of pressing down transmitting through the plastic shell into the desk
[07:00:07] <Sulla> nice thing about the box ones is the click bar sounds deeper than standard cherry
[07:00:25] <Sulla> what keyboard did you put them into?
[07:01:26] <chromas> First I made a numberpad, now I'm making a dactyl-style that I'm drawing in Blender, plus I have extra key caps so I'm making a plain TKL-type to put them on
[07:01:40] <Sulla> Nice
[07:01:43] <chromas> all 3d printed case-ages (but store-bought kecaps)
[07:02:08] <Sulla> I think if I make the battleship I'll use royals to keep the cowoerks from stabbing me
[07:02:23] <Sulla> any issues with the royals crackign keycaps?
[07:03:16] <chromas> no. I sorta got the idea that might've been why the haiko royals were on sale but no problems with them either. they're like half off on novelkeys
[07:03:29] <Sulla> oh damn
[07:05:16] <Sulla> 110 speed navy for 33 bucks
[07:05:50] <chromas> not the most beautiful https://zeroindex.org
[07:05:59] * chromas needs moar lights
[07:06:52] <Sulla> i like the concave caps tho
[07:07:02] <chromas> oh I saw some speed variant of I think Gaterons or something. A whole entire mm less travel
[07:07:33] <chromas> yeah they feel great
[07:07:55] <Sulla> im sad the low profile ones are in that other format
[07:07:59] * chromas sits here, rubbing the keys like a dork
[07:08:28] <Sulla> i pretty much always have a switch im playing with as i work
[07:10:50] <chromas> my printer's too small so I have to split the keyboard bits into pieces digitally and glue them together
[07:11:11] <Sulla> still better than nothin though
[07:11:30] <Sulla> lol ive been waiting on months for hemo to get that cnc working again
[07:11:42] <Sulla> Can probably get the roommate to buy our own before he can get his fixed
[07:11:54] <Sulla> If i make my own keyboard I'm going to print a case out of walnut
[07:12:29] <chromas> that'd be pretty rad
[07:13:07] <Sulla> Ive had a two metre hunk of the stuff for years now waiitng for me to get around to turn it into a rifle stock
[07:13:23] <Sulla> but could just steal it for keyboard
[07:13:24] <chromas> I saw somebody's got plans for a "mostly-printed" cnc machine on the internet, so you print a bunch of pieces and stick in some motors and stuff
[07:13:41] <chromas> Make it a rifle stock keyboard
[07:14:07] <Sulla> levels of complexity keep growing
[07:16:43] <Sulla> well its past midnight so i'm gonna go sleep. good chat, cya
[07:16:57] <chromas> g'night
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[07:31:29] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[07:31:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The MAGA-targeted “Freedom Phone” Has a Breathtaking Amount of Red Flags" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:35:28] <chromas> from the rent-free dept.
[07:38:04] <c0lo> chromas, just in case you'd be tempted to buy one, it's a phone review like any others.
[07:42:05] <chromas> oh we don't do reviews though
[07:43:14] <chromas> and of course I wasn't going to buy one. I'm still on the Facebook phone
[07:44:42] <c0lo> Why dinnt you say so early? Spend some hours to search that one for you?
[07:45:38] <c0lo> Does the Facebook phone run D apps?
[07:46:27] <chromas> no; ZuckOS
[07:47:25] <chromas> It automatically collects statistics to use for federal elections, but only for Dem candidates
[07:50:10] <c0lo> When's Zuck's flight into space scheduled?
[07:50:27] <c0lo> (I'd better ask bytram)
[07:51:13] <chromas> Gotta wait for the right Zuccerton Window
[07:54:28] <chromas> Turns out not goatse-ing the keyholes makes the keycaps get stuck
[07:59:48] <c0lo> =submit a-collection-of-Bezos-mockery-for-chromas-to-delete https://www.mediaite.com
[07:59:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Jeff Bezos Ridiculed for 'Tone-Deaf' Victory Lap After Flight" (40p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:01:39] <chromas> I wonder if any of the newsblogs generating those stories will have unexpected outages on their Amazon serverless cloudscales
[08:02:20] <Runaway1956> If the world weren't so politically correct, we could just say that Bezos is a frickin' retard
[08:03:20] <chromas> Probably not too many well-adjusted, normal people end up being rich though
[08:03:25] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.mediaite.com
[08:03:27] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Kate Bedingfield Praises Trump for Telling Fans to Get Vaccinated" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:03:38] <chromas> ah, fighting tard with tard
[08:07:34] <c0lo> =submit change-the-tone-Runaway1956 https://www.theatlantic.com
[08:07:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Suddenly, Conservatives Care About Vaccines" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:27:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Tool Tells You if NSO’s Pegasus Spyware Targeted your Phone - https://sylnt.us
[08:35:54] <c0lo> =submit https://theintercept.com
[08:35:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03U.S. Military Bought Cameras in Violation of America’s Own China Sanctions" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:59:28] <FatPhil> https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk
[09:59:29] <systemd> ^ 03Cop called officers for help after being pursued by drone but it was Jupiter
[10:26:58] <c0lo> Any arrest made? I mean, look, I imagine it was quite a persistant stalking episode.
[10:54:11] <raxas> https://blumenauer.house.gov
[10:54:13] <systemd> ^ 03Blumenauer Announces New SPACE Tax Proposal
[10:55:49] <c0lo> =submit https://www.scmp.com
[10:55:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Death Toll Rises to 18 in Massive Central China Floods, 200,000 Displaced" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:57:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Seeks to Speed Rooftop Solar Growth with Instant Permits - https://sylnt.us
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[12:08:36] <raxas> =submit https://securityaffairs.co
[12:08:41] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03LPE Flaw in Linux Kernel Allows Attackers to Get Root Privileges on Most Distros" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:13:57] <raxas> https://www.lemonde.fr
[12:13:58] <systemd> ^ 03« Projet Pegasus » : un téléphone portable d’Emmanuel Macron dans le viseur du Maroc
[12:32:41] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[12:32:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Emmanuel Macron Identified in Leaked Pegasus Project Data" (42p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[13:36:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Event Horizon Telescope Captures ‘Beautiful’ Images of Second Black Hole's Jet - https://sylnt.us - Centarus-A
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[14:50:53] <Bytram> requerdanos: there was an earlier (months ago) and Deucalion had a discussion Runaway1956 and (am only repeating what I was told -- did not participate) that henceforth (IIRC) participants on IRC in nick impersonation would, ummm, get .kicked or something like that.
[15:04:40] <FatPhil> that was the general vibe from that discussion
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[15:22:00] <requerdanos> I recall reading that conversation, enough of it that I didn't think nick impersonation was okay.
[15:23:53] <requerdanos> when kick proved ineffective, I applied a ban; the offender changed hostmasks earning another ban; end of story there.
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[15:32:36] <FatPhil> and rightly so
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[15:56:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Life Expectancy Fell by 1.5 Years in 2020, the Biggest Drop Since WW II - https://sylnt.us
[16:06:58] <chromas> how does the change compare to the rest of the world though?
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[16:12:41] <chromas> 74% of the decrease attributed to covid. I'd think that would be counterbalanced by the yuge decrease in car accidents and flu deaths because those all count as covid deaths now
[16:12:54] <chromas> oops I mean everyone is all sitting at home, flattening the curve for two weeks
[16:13:02] <Bytram_phone> =cite doi:10.1126/science.abl5226
[16:13:03] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[16:13:18] <chromas> =cite 10.1126/science.abl5226
[16:13:19] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[16:13:29] <Bytram_phone> lol
[16:13:30] <chromas> they really need to fix their site
[16:16:23] <Bytram_phone> =cite https://www.sciencemag.org
[16:16:24] <systemd> <p><b>Journal Reference</b>:<br/><b>Event Horizon Telescope captures ‘beautiful’ images of second black hole’s jet</b>, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/event-horizon-telescope-captures-beautiful-images-second-black-hole-s-jet">https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/event-horizon-telescope-captures-beautiful-images-second-black-hole-s-jet</a>)</p>
[16:18:10] <Bytram_phone> nope. worth a try!
[16:19:12] <AzumaHazuki> you lost the ENTIRE DoI? You're KILLIN' me, Smalls!
[16:24:02] <FatPhil> Maybe HTML is the problem
[16:24:15] <FatPhil> If we just went back to gopher, things might be better
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[16:32:05] <chromas> is gopher comparable to html? seems like a problem if the transfer protocol and file format are combined
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[17:09:10] <raxas> gopher shall be be used to transfer pages written in tex. render them on client
[17:12:41] <raxas> or troff
[17:14:37] <raxas> =submit https://www.rt.com
[17:14:41] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Russia Launches ‘Nauka’ Multifunctional Scientific Lab Module to International Space Station Fro" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:17:20] <FatPhil> chromas: kinda comparible, but you can only have one markup per line
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[17:46:27] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[17:46:30] <systemd> ^ 03ESP32 and 8 OLEDs arranged in a circle - circular scrolling
[17:51:10] <AzumaHazuki> we got a pantry cabinet finally :) lots of space to put all the spices and potatoes and dry beans and rice etc
[17:56:59] <raxas> I envy to people living in primeval forests, they got food living everywhere around
[17:58:24] <t3> make sure to use containers with good lids for your bulk grains, to isolate any pantry moths that come in
[18:17:24] <raxas> storing rice in vacuum bags completely eliminates those tiny mothmen for me
[18:23:48] <AzumaHazuki> they don't seem to like my spices i noticed
[18:24:10] <AzumaHazuki> there were some in the last place i rented and they all idi na khuy'd after i went to the local Indian place and loaded up on fresh whole spices
[18:26:43] <AzumaHazuki> ...huh, touchpad's acting up. weird...brb
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[18:30:53] <FatPhil> Critters getting into the foodstuffs has only rarely been the problem. We once bought a 20kg bag of uzbek rice from the local ethnic food store, and when we opened it the flying things came out.
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[18:39:01] <FatPhil> one dollar per byte
[19:02:21] <requerdanos> why steal it instead of just copy it? was it on usb drives or something?
[19:09:28] <raxas> my guess: a pile of powerpoints
[19:23:25] <requerdanos> perfectly possible.
[19:31:45] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[19:31:48] <systemd> ^ 03How many robots does it take to run a grocery store?
[19:32:07] <raxas> 5g ftw
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[21:26:36] <raxas> not-a-fun fact: czech olympic team in tokyo has 4 covid-infected people already. 3 of them were vaccinated twice (pfizer). unvaccinated person is a doctor. all names publicized. both mainstream and alternative carry the story
[21:27:21] <FatPhil> https://xkcd.com
[21:27:22] <systemd> ^ 03No, The Other One
[21:30:01] <chromas> Dayton, WA must me too small to make the map
[21:30:19] <Eratosthenes> Spam mod alert! https://soylentnews.org
[21:30:21] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Spam-mod the racist trolls - We have official permission! ( https://soylentnews.org )
[21:31:13] <chromas> [aristarchus fondles his groin]
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[21:42:29] <Eratosthenes> Why is aristarchus fondling chromas?
[21:44:04] <Eratosthenes> =submit https://www.space.com
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[22:01:40] <chromas> oh dangit https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[22:14:00] <FatPhil> I don't agree with the current loosening of the spam definition for moderation, and that example is definitely inappropriate, IMHO.
[22:30:16] <raxas> there is no consensus about nearly anything in this community, why would anyone expect there may be a consensus about spam...
[22:30:47] <requerdanos> perhaps that's because there's a body of written guidelines that talk around what a good spam mod is.
[22:31:58] <requerdanos> however one interprets it, I don't think "Jerk vs. Jerk" as in this instance counts as spam
[22:35:57] <raxas> such approach assumes people will guide themselves by guidelines, yet the actual interpretation of guidelines is on responsibility of the people. that means, some fluctuations may and will happen
[22:36:23] <raxas> so it is better to focus on trends rather than on individual cases
[22:43:33] <chromas> The trend is a certain subset of users are constantly shitting on each other and then complaining about it
[22:45:29] <FatPhil> if anything it's better for there to be many people with slightly varying opinions making the decisions. A monoculture would spiral off up its own arse.
[22:46:30] <FatPhil> requerdanos: do you have the admin powers necessary to punish the wrongmodder? I'm pretty sure I don't.
[22:46:57] <chromas> if you did then you'd see the appropriate buttons on the comment
[22:48:07] <FatPhil> this was part of the reason why I didn't like the weakening of the definition - it just encourages anyone to mod spam anything that vaguely offends them.
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