#soylent | Logs for 2021-09-16
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[00:03:06] <Runaway1956> vaya con dios
[00:03:38] <Bytram> littoff
[00:11:41] <Runaway1956> What are they going to do for three days, Bytram?
[00:12:25] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[00:12:27] <systemd> ^ 03Inspirati④n - Expected to Launch Today - SoylentNews
[00:13:30] <Runaway1956> stage 1 good landing
[00:38:56] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[00:39:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Influenza Cases Hit an All-time Low in Australia in 2021" (211p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:39:40] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[00:39:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Black Summer Bushfires Triggered Southern Ocean Algal Blooms Bigger Than Australia - ABC News" (114p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:45:02] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[00:45:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Four in 10 Young People Fear Having Children Due to Climate Crisis" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:45:23] <c0lo> How many old people fear having children?
[00:46:36] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nationalobserver.com
[00:46:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Vermont Sues Oil Companies for Allegedly Falsifying Climate Info" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[01:47:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple and John Deere Shareholder Resolutions Demand They Explain Their Bad Repair Policies - https://sylnt.us
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[04:15:57] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cnbc.com
[04:16:01] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Chinese Tech, EV Stocks Fall on Regulatory Fears; Property Developer Soho China Drops 35% on Failed " (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:16:31] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cnbc.com
[04:16:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03China Has 'Too Many' Electric Vehicle Companies, Minister Says" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:26:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Remote Work Study: Average Length of Workweek Has Increased 10% During Pandemic - https://sylnt.us - working-slower-or-working-longer
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[06:35:07] <TheMightyChickadee> The Internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it.
[06:35:29] <TheMightyChickadee> Unless they do not update their Certs.
[06:37:12] <boru> Good paraphrasing of John Gilmore, but www != 'Net.
[06:37:54] <boru> The 'Net is designed to be decentralised. The client-server model is ultimately broken.
[06:38:02] <boru> But also, so is the notion of CAs.
[06:38:41] <TheMightyChickadee> Agreed.
[06:39:22] <TheMightyChickadee> Can we have a phone number, or a utility bill, before we let you access our website?
[06:39:43] <boru> Don't get me started on that nonsense...
[06:40:52] <boru> "Please view these ads, because people were never able to host websites without them before. Also, please train google's autonomous driving AI before you can do anything since you're accessing our server from a suspicious IP range."
[06:41:39] <TheMightyChickadee> How else will we know you are a real person, well, other than captchas. For example, I am an accused sockpuppet, wrongly accused, and now I only exist in the quasi-world of IRC!
[06:43:31] <boru> I don't keep up with the SN drama. It's not my thing. I barely have time to participate in discussion there, these days.
[06:44:36] <TheMightyChickadee> Appreciated your offer to assist, earlier today.
[06:45:02] <boru> In some respects, I feel that discussion can be better with all identities removed; ideas matter, rather than people's preconceived notions of individuals.
[06:45:29] <boru> Assist with what?
[06:45:33] <boru> I'm not long out of bed.
[06:45:44] <TheMightyChickadee> Cert renewal
[06:45:51] <boru> Online discussion, that is.
[06:46:21] <boru> Ah, that. I was more of a backseat driver there. I'm mostly ignorant of how the servers are set up at SN.
[06:46:40] <TheMightyChickadee> As are we all, it seems!
[06:47:26] <boru> I posit it's usually a problem of doing something so infrequently, that one is out of practice. Well oiled doors, and all that.
[06:48:22] <TheMightyChickadee> Has happened once or twice before, but at long intervals. The suggestions on automation might be useful.
[06:48:31] <boru> So having the cert expire every few months is probably a good way to remedy that.
[06:48:53] <TheMightyChickadee> Ha! One would think!
[06:49:46] <boru> Well, yes and no. It's more simple here that at least SN isn't managing a CA. You can just generate a CSR and give it to letsencrypt. I don't like their model, but at least it has democratised TLS for the www.
[06:50:30] <boru> If you're managing CRLs and signing certs, there's a bit more involvement.
[06:51:09] <boru> But I've almost entirely automated that process myself, so it _is_ doable.
[06:51:19] <TheMightyChickadee> What is wrong with the EFF model, for a site like SN?
[06:52:13] <boru> 1) I don't trust letsencrypt and 2) I think the CA model is utterly broken. IMHO, trust cannot be managed securely like that.
[06:52:53] <chromas> Put...put it on the blockchain
[06:54:02] <TheMightyChickadee> That is why I asked for your cell phone #, with GPS enabled, but why would you not trust letsencrypt, when their entire purpose is to prove the CA model is broken?
[06:55:14] <boru> Because of the corporations involved, and by extension, the government of the USA.
[06:55:31] <boru> These entities are morally bankrupt, and untrustworthy.
[06:55:59] <TheMightyChickadee> EFF? Bunch of old libertarian leaning hippies, if I recall correctly.
[06:56:13] <boru> They aren't the sole founders, however.
[06:56:30] <TheMightyChickadee> Oh, Linux Foundation type stuff?
[06:56:32] <boru> Nor the only sponsors.
[06:56:59] <boru> Several more than that; the big web companies, Cisco, Mozilla etc.
[06:57:47] <boru> The EFF I have considerable respect for, but getting in bed with that lot... I'd have expected more.
[07:15:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Create Matter From Pure Light, Proving the Breit-Wheeler Effect - https://sylnt.us - star-trek-replicators
[07:18:08] <TheMightyChickadee> Ah, a new front page posting I can actually view! Hoorah!
[07:19:55] <boru> Great news. Now if only they can progress it far enough for high fidelity nutrient replication...
[07:20:06] <TheMightyChickadee> But since FatPhil and janrinok have denied my personhood, how could I possibly actually enjoy them? Do you want my phone #?
[07:20:47] <TheMightyChickadee> Hi-fi Nutrient replication, like Soylent Green? Oh, dear.
[07:21:22] <boru> I was hoping for Bratwürst and coffee, but hunger is the best sauce, I suppose.
[07:23:57] <boru> I just noticed the new poll.
[07:24:25] <boru> Did that arise from yesterday's discussion?
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[07:54:22] <TheMightyChickadee> New poll? The old one has been up for ages!
[07:55:25] <TheMightyChickadee> Nope, same old one. Admins are trying to tell us something.
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[08:15:15] <boru> I haven't been to the site for while.
[08:44:14] <TheMightyChickadee> It's OK, I have been permanently banned. I am not even here, right now! Interesting states of affairs on SoylentNews!
[08:53:13] <FatPhil> So, how long are you going to sit on your newly registered sock-puppet accounts before you make them active?
[08:54:25] <FatPhil> Just wondering - are you also behind the robotic creation of hundreds of accounts, thinking that that might be the best way to hide the creation of a couple that you might actually want to use?
[09:04:34] <TheMightyChickadee> Again, oh Phil of Phat, you are letting your imaginatin run away with you. I do not even exist any more, so obviously I cannot creat new accounts.
[09:05:04] <TheMightyChickadee> And the last thing SN wants is more accounts, since they might be leftists, or sock-puppets.
[09:09:02] <TheMightyChickadee> What is that command for latest username?
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[09:46:57] <TheMightyChickadee> Vax debate is now in Nikki Minaj's court.
[09:48:33] <TheMightyChickadee> And, robotic creation? Runaway1956 talked about having a script for 1024 new accounts. Would look there first, if he gets his Opterons up and running.
[09:56:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - LG's Outrageous Direct-view LED TV Tops Out at 335 Inches, $1.7 Million - https://sylnt.us - I'll-take-two!
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[10:03:24] <chromas> Can we get some regular LED displays?
[10:04:08] <chromas> Maybe using normal LEDsisntead of organic all-natural free-range ones that get 1940s-style burn-in
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[12:36:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two New Microcontroller Boards Released with Built In Displays - https://sylnt.us
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[12:43:33] <t3> the C/F thread has sparked a question in my mind: how much does the accustomed 0 point affect perception of danger?
[12:44:58] <t3> several C users seem to think that 0C is a "danger point", while I am quite certain I couldn't get frostbite if I tried at that temperature, but 0F will keep me indoors
[12:49:03] <janrinok> t3 - I'm not quite sure why people are so frightened of 0C - perhaps they are southerners who think that anything below 20C is cold. Having lived in Russia for 3 years -20C is not uncommon and people go about their lives much as they usually do. You just dress for the weather.
[12:56:48] <t3> so a north/south divide more than F/C, makes sense
[13:24:45] <c0lo> -20C - just don't lick the door knobs and you'll be fine.
[13:27:27] <inz> -40 is the standard temperature
[13:31:05] <janrinok> inz, that's a bit cold for ice cream, but if you say it is standard that's good enough for me
[13:35:15] <inz> Ot
[13:35:17] <inz> Oops
[13:35:36] <inz> It's the same friggin cold on both scales
[13:38:43] <c0lo> =submit https://www.capetownetc.com
[13:38:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'Cabbage Bandit' Faces Jail Time for Planting Crops in His Front Yard" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:40:30] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[13:40:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03‘Dramatically More Powerful’: World’s First Battery-electric Freight Train Unveiled" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:51:31] <boru> Pft, the lack of scientific rigor in your silly temperature scales. Real Men™ use Rankin.
[13:52:33] <boru> Rankine, even.
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[15:26:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Influenza Cases Hit an All-Time Low in Australia in 2021 - https://sylnt.us - wear-a-mask
[15:37:00] <janrinok> FatPhil_, You having connection problems?
[15:41:00] <FatPhil_> yeah, ISP went futz at about 2-ish, and kinda started coming back a while back, but things are still very broken
[15:41:54] <janrinok> I was going to say if you need a new username, Ari's got quite a few spare ones.....
[15:42:39] <janrinok> Perhaps your ISP spilled some vodka in the server...
[15:43:10] <janrinok> ... which is serious of course - have you seen the price of good vodka
[15:44:04] <boru> Indeed. If you're going to do that, use scotch or some other similar toilet cleaning liquid.
[15:44:28] <janrinok> lol
[16:02:34] * FatPhil_ grrrrs
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[16:14:08] <FatPhil> I wish ISPs wouldn't needlessly move DHCP addresses around on disconnects.
[16:15:00] <FatPhil> well, it gives them the opportunity to charge you $$$ for a static one, of course.
[16:15:07] <FatPhil> Remind me - are ISPs cunts?
[16:17:57] <boru> Yeah, bar one I've been with.
[16:18:13] <boru> Would DDNS be helpful?
[16:23:55] <FatPhil> it's not too tricky to change the DNS settings for my domains, but I can't script it, so it's just a drag
[16:24:17] <boru> Ah, I see what you're saying.
[16:25:09] <boru> You could always make them onion services and let the DHT do the rest.
[16:59:33] <Ingar> FatPhil: calling ISPs cunts is far too nice
[17:29:30] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. that implies a certain depth, warmth, strength, life, and charm that no corporation could ever have
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[17:34:28] <Ingar> :)
[17:35:02] <janrinok> :)
[17:37:59] <boru> Whilst I was living in the UK, I was with Zen Internet for a while. Probably the best ISP I've ever had a contract with.
[17:38:45] <boru> They were all for delivering the bandwidth and latency you paid for at any time of the day, and had no policies with regards to what sort of traffic you sent over their copper.
[17:38:55] <boru> Bittorrent and all.
[17:39:15] <boru> They stated that explicitly on their website, and delivered on it. No traffic shaping, no monitoring.
[17:39:43] <Ingar> my ISP seems to fsck with torrent during the day
[17:39:48] <boru> Sadly, every other ISP I've been with, with perhaps the exception of the one I'm with now, have been the paragon of corporations.
[17:39:49] <Ingar> after midnight, it runs smooth
[17:40:16] <Ingar> need to do kitchen magic though, laters
[18:07:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Dramatically More Powerful": World’s First Battery-electric Freight Train Unveiled - https://sylnt.us - woo-ooooo!
[18:09:27] <t3> =submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[18:09:48] <t3> ack, out an extra character in there
[18:09:57] <t3> =submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[18:09:59] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08After Two Recalls, GM Finally Just Tells Bolt EV Owners: "Don't Park Your Car Within 50 Feet of Anot" (28p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[20:07:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Dramatically More Powerful": World’s First Battery-Electric Freight Train Unveiled - https://sylnt.us - woo-ooooo!
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[20:56:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Astronomers Solve 900-Year-Old Cosmic Mystery Surrounding Chinese Supernova of 1181AD - https://sylnt.us
[21:29:17] <FatPhil> RIP Clive Sinclair
[21:29:48] <FatPhil> My first computer was a ZX81, which I upgraded to a ZX Spectrum.
[21:30:07] <chromas> Any relation to Big Clive Dotcom?
[21:34:59] <FatPhil> I only know Kim Dotcom
[21:58:22] <chromas> and his more philanthropic brother, Kim Dotorg?
[23:47:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Has 'Too Many' Electric Vehicle Companies, Minister Says - https://sylnt.us