#soylent | Logs for 2021-12-10
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[00:06:32] <Runaway1956> Yeah, well, Bob Frost did some good writing, but I don't have to take his advice, LOL!
[00:09:48] <Bytram> Maybe you have him confused with little Bobby Tables? ;)
[00:51:02] <Runaway1956> "Blue helmet mini Aussie" she sez
[00:52:33] <Runaway1956> It looks somewhat like an Australian sheep dog, but it will fit into her purse
[00:52:59] <Runaway1956> I don't understand where the "blue helmet" comes from
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[00:54:00] <Bytram> Runaway1956: Looks like you were the one who mentioned it?
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[00:54:56] <Runaway1956> No, my wife mentioned it first
[00:55:57] <Runaway1956> Silly little thing has been shot up with needles, had his testicles removed, and is wearing one of those cone shields to prevent him licking his wound.
[00:56:12] * Bytram adjusts his hearing aid, only to realize he does not have one
[00:56:18] <Runaway1956> LOL
[00:56:52] <Runaway1956> He's certainly not big enough to wear that label she attached to him.
[00:57:34] <Runaway1956> And, his name is Murphy, like the girl in the interstellar movie
[00:59:36] <Runaway1956> OK, blue merle mini aussie would make more sense - I get pics of dogs that look like him
[01:00:09] * Runaway1956 hids his boots and slippers
[01:01:33] <Runaway1956> s/hids/hides/
[01:01:34] <SedBot> <Runaway1956> hides his boots and slippers
[01:06:00] <Bytram> =yt https://youtube.com
[01:06:01] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Billy Preston - Will It Go Round in Circles (04:30; 2,678,987 views; 👍21,490 👎627)
[01:15:28] * Runaway1956 notes that Dear Wife has carefully made no mention of the price of her new baby
[01:15:34] <Bytram> =yt yXQViqx6GMY
[01:15:34] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (Official Video) (03:55; 710,309,646 views; 👍3,587,773 👎157,017)
[01:27:55] <Runaway1956> new take on my favoritest Christmas carol
[01:27:59] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[01:28:01] <systemd> ^ 03Little Drummer Boy (African Tribal Version) - Alex Boye' ft. Genesis Choir
[01:37:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Space Sleeping Bag to Solve Astronauts' Squashed Eyeball Disorder - https://sylnt.us - that-sucks!
[02:09:10] <Bytram> Runaway1956++ ty
[02:09:10] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 41
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[02:46:24] <SoyCow1522> Wutup **********
[02:46:40] <SoyCow1522> Man, the *********** are still *************!
[02:47:27] <SoyCow1522> Not to mean any of you, i'm talking about the ************ in real-life, so you don't need to shift uncomfortably
[02:47:35] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[02:47:37] <systemd> ^ 03MARINE! The Arrival Salute!
[02:47:50] <Runaway1956> respects, soycow1522
[02:48:31] <Runaway1956> Or, if you prefer, https://www.youtube.com
[02:48:33] <systemd> ^ 03MARINE! The Arrival Salute!
[02:48:51] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[02:48:53] <systemd> ^ 03Richard Peoples Burial at Sea May 3, 2019
[02:49:13] <SoyCow1522> Oh, that's just mean. Good thing we have a bunch of new ************ to fight bullshit wars.
[02:50:37] <Runaway1956> The thing is, a lot of brown people, black people, and even Jews have lain under that flag.
[02:50:53] <Runaway1956> Can't tell the difference between any of them.
[02:50:58] <SoyCow1522> I mean, that's really all the Marines are nowadays, there ain't many ********** in their ranks. That's why local Marines are always getting busted at the border for *************
[02:51:36] <SoyCow1522> Half of Camp Pendleton is probably owned by the narcos.
[02:51:37] <Runaway1956> Whatever . . . watch the vidya, and count how many white, black, brown, or other if you like.
[02:51:59] <SoyCow1522> I'm a patriot but your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me.
[02:52:21] <SoyCow1522> I'm not exactly living in some Napa valley gated community. I grew up in poverty eating the government cheese.
[02:52:32] <Runaway1956> Ain't nothing Jedi about it.
[02:52:37] <SoyCow1522> I've seen the unfortunate truth. And it ain't politically correct.
[02:53:52] <Runaway1956> That second vidya? I've performed the service 3 times.
[02:54:23] <Runaway1956> Of course, it doesn't look exactly the same on a destroyer . . .
[02:54:34] <Bytram> Runaway1956++ thank you for your service
[02:54:34] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 42
[02:54:48] <Runaway1956> Thank you Bytram
[02:54:57] <SoyCow1522> \My boss in the Air Force also did honor guard, because he sucked at his day-job. I mean, honor guard has to be done, but let's not sugar-coat the circumstances.
[02:55:26] <Runaway1956> That only demonstrates that you don't understand
[02:56:17] <SoyCow1522> Besides, today's military is a lot different that what you and I went through.
[02:56:50] <SoyCow1522> Fifth-columnist """flag officers"""" are weakening it.
[02:56:58] <Runaway1956> Of course. And the Navy I served in was vastly different from the Navy that Sir Lord Nelson served. But, it's all the same . . .
[02:57:30] <Bytram> SoyCow1522: AFAIK, they *still* bleed the same
[02:57:44] <Runaway1956> It's all red inside.
[02:58:24] <SoyCow1522> Yes, it is red inside now that we have a fifth-column of *******-******* flag officers in all branches...but especially the Air Force.
[02:58:34] <SoyCow1522> commie-red, in case you didn't get it.
[02:58:49] <Bytram> Well, actually, it's red only when the blood comes in contact with air
[02:59:10] <Runaway1956> Explain how today's commie-red leadership is any different from various other crisis in leadership throughout history
[02:59:34] <Runaway1956> remember, officers don't run the Navy
[02:59:36] <SoyCow1522> Runaway, the women have dicks now.
[02:59:49] <Runaway1956> it's the chiefs, senior chiefs, and master chiefs who run it.
[02:59:56] <Bytram> (it's the hemoglobin that makes the blood red)
[03:00:04] <SoyCow1522> Officers don't run the Navy? Then who crashed the ships? You can't blame that on your quartermasters.
[03:00:44] <Runaway1956> Yes, you're damned right I blame it on everyone on the bridge, from the OOD right down to MoW - E1 up through O5
[03:01:09] <Runaway1956> when there is a failure, it's a crew's failure
[03:02:26] <SoyCow1522> I can only imagine how those scenarios played out. "Lieutenant, recommend course correction" "Shut up, we correct course when I say so. Now I'm gonna get dicked by Tyrone in the fan room for a few hours, not a peep out of you"
[03:03:15] <SoyCow1522> Then the ****** ****** OOD disappears for 4 hours after she finds Tyrone with some ***** Ensign
[03:03:39] <Bytram> SoyCow1522: Watch it.
[03:04:02] <Runaway1956> Were you ever part of a team, a crew?
[03:04:16] <SoyCow1522> Well, I guess getting kicked is preferable to serving on the bridge of the U.S.S. John McCain
[03:05:18] <SoyCow1522> Yes, I was on teams and crews. A handful of genuinely good people and a majority of ignorant, career-climbing backstabbers
[03:05:42] <SoyCow1522> In civilian life, the worst backstabbers were ex-surface navy and sub crews.
[03:06:07] <Runaway1956> If you say so - though I figure you're exaggerating
[03:06:34] <SoyCow1522> Can't blame them for taking their military lessons into the civilian world. Can blame them for being too stupid to realize that others already have them figured out.
[03:06:57] <SoyCow1522> Submariners are the worst. "Oh yeah, we're like a family"
[03:07:07] <Runaway1956> The thing is - you don't have them figured out.
[03:07:19] <SoyCow1522> Get a few E-6's jockeying for Chief and watch the backstabbing commence
[03:07:38] <SoyCow1522> "confidential tips" about showing up to work hung over here and there
[03:07:47] <Bytram> SoyCow1522: Which were you? "genuinely good people" or "ignorant, career-climbing backstabber" ?
[03:08:02] <SoyCow1522> Maybe showing master chief a pic of your "mate" kissing a Thai stripper
[03:08:03] <Runaway1956> Been there, done that, seen it up close - and you're full of something when you claim that civilians aren't just as bad
[03:09:29] <SoyCow1522> Civilians are just as bad, and that's because a lot of them are ex-military
[03:09:42] * Runaway1956 yawns
[03:09:42] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Runaway1956's gaping mouth
[03:09:50] <SoyCow1522> Military are insidious because they have some basic understanding of politics.
[03:10:01] <SoyCow1522> Civilians are just generally dipshits.
[03:10:41] <SoyCow1522> And the Marines, I hate to say, are generally much worse off because they're all ***********
[03:10:46] <Runaway1956> How do you explain high school kids doing as bad or worse in competition for a position on chearleading squad, or band, or football team
[03:11:15] <Runaway1956> Not many veterans among the high school population, is there?
[03:11:20] <SoyCow1522> Nobody competes for cheer or band, those will take all they can get, even the fat ones.
[03:11:49] <Runaway1956> News sources on a dozen scandals in the past decade say different
[03:12:24] <SoyCow1522> Football differs but you still need your scrubs just in case, or for practice scrimmage
[03:12:53] <Runaway1956> But, you didn't answer my earlier question:
[03:12:59] <Runaway1956> Have you ever been part of a team?
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[03:14:16] <Runaway1956> Probably couldn't stomach being close to, or even touching someone who doesn't look like you?
[03:14:42] <Runaway1956> Afraid, even?
[03:14:42] <SoyCow1522> I told you I was on teams and crews.
[03:15:06] <Runaway1956> Oh, I didn't notice that you responded, maybe I talk too much.
[03:15:15] <Runaway1956> And, maybe you talk too much . . .
[03:15:50] <SoyCow1522> Well, in spite of that, life is good.
[03:16:25] <SoyCow1522> I do know how to duck at precisely the moment before the bullet flies above my head.
[03:16:37] <SoyCow1522> Even if talking to an AI,
[03:17:08] <SoyCow1522> I enjoy taking a dump.
[03:17:09] <Runaway1956> Imagine that - maybe you can become a drill sergeant and teach new recruits when it's time to duck
[03:18:00] <SoyCow1522> If I ever join a military again, it will be to save America from the fifth-column of *********, ********-********, and *********
[03:18:49] <Bytram> You don't say! (literally!)
[03:18:50] <SoyCow1522> Thankfully, things aren't that bad. But I do feel sorry for other countries. They're living my personal version of hell
[03:19:06] <Runaway1956> You still don't really have it figured out - it isn't *******, it's progressives, marxists, and assorted other arsewipes with political agendas
[03:19:20] <SoyCow1522> We're gonna have to agree to disagree.
[03:20:02] <Runaway1956> I'll agree that you're wrong in looking for a scapegoat based on race
[03:20:28] <SoyCow1522> Human history is thousands of years old. Allegiances that span millennia aren't easily ignored for a hundred years or so of world changes.
[03:21:01] <Runaway1956> Tell that to a Roman legionnaire
[03:21:10] <Runaway1956> or a French Legionnaire
[03:21:43] <SoyCow1522> The French foreign legion? Our Marine Corps is pretty much the same thing now.
[03:22:02] * Runaway1956 yawns again
[03:22:17] <SoyCow1522> They speak a different language, pose in front of a different flag,
[03:22:38] <SoyCow1522> Join at temporary inconvenience to enrich themselves in the long-run
[03:23:01] <Runaway1956> LOL, now that's funny
[03:23:21] <SoyCow1522> It reminds me of when my ********* landlord gives his ********** some work
[03:23:22] <Runaway1956> Jarheads get the lowest pay and the least benefits of all the services
[03:23:38] <Runaway1956> and they get the least training that has value in the civilian world
[03:23:42] <SoyCow1522> he underpays them, maybe even exploits them, but they bow to him and thank him for the "opportunity"
[03:24:25] <SoyCow1522> Inside, they hold no respect for the fucker. They wanna get paid.
[03:26:08] <Runaway1956> You realize there are more important things in life.
[03:26:24] <Runaway1956> At the moment, I'm pondering whether to make a fresh pot of coffee
[03:26:47] <Runaway1956> The really important stuff, you know?
[03:26:52] <SoyCow1522> I'm going to ponder taking a dump. All this talk about ************* is making my asshole want to excrete waste.
[03:26:56] <Runaway1956> I'm afraid if I go into the kitchen that mini-dog might attack me
[03:26:59] <SoyCow1522> Yep, good night!
[03:31:47] <SoyCow1522> Oh wait, one last rumination:
[03:32:26] <Bytram> Mooooo!
[03:32:27] <SoyCow1522> What led to the demise of America's military? Well, it wasn't ****** or *******, it was putting women in charge of more and more decision-making
[03:32:50] <SoyCow1522> Once that happened, the floodgates were opened to our military becoming the shitshow it is now.
[03:33:14] <Runaway1956> Wrong again - women can be more conservative than you or me
[03:33:41] <Runaway1956> women didn't destroy anything in the military, political cunts did that
[03:34:03] <Runaway1956> Israel's military didn't fall to pieces because of women
[03:34:28] <SoyCow1522> Now our military is subject to every passing fad, whether it makes sense or not, because nore decisions are made from peer pressure than logic or reason or even just shilling for the military industrial complex.
[03:35:14] <SoyCow1522> Runaway, Israel gets to play by rules their golem don't. Whether it's defending their borders, harboring criminals, election interference, or global crackdowns on dissidents.
[03:35:28] * Runaway1956 yawns
[03:35:28] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Runaway1956's gaping mouth
[03:35:33] <SoyCow1522> I'm not angry at Israel for doing those things, I'm angry at them for denying those self-preservation methods to others.
[03:35:57] <Runaway1956> There's no denial, no justification necessary -
[03:36:13] <Runaway1956> all those who "blame" Israel are just whiny hipocrites
[03:36:58] <Runaway1956> Who whined when every nation within a thousand miles of Israel sent troops to wipe them off the face of the earth?
[03:37:21] <Runaway1956> Not even Israel whined then - they just got busy in their target rich environment
[03:37:59] <SoyCow1522> Groan, I see that the salivations for Iran war have begun again.
[03:38:52] <SoyCow1522> Well, I'm not gonna argue. In fact, I'd be a lot less *******-********* if it were socially acceptable for other nations to defend their borders.
[03:39:27] <Runaway1956> Social acceptance is a failure. One does not seek acceptance.
[03:39:54] <SoyCow1522> Anyway, I shall leave. And you do not demoralize me, for there is much to be happy about.
[03:40:20] * SoyCow1522 farts
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[03:40:44] <Runaway1956> How could one demoralize a person with no morals?
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[03:40:55] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[03:40:58] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Saudi Authorities Disqualify More Than 40 Contestants From a Camel Beauty Pageant for Using Botox - " (56p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:40:58] <Runaway1956> hey c0lo
[03:41:15] <c0lo> Hey, how's going?
[03:41:23] <Runaway1956> Were any of those camels related to you?
[03:41:53] <Runaway1956> You know, I kinda miss you around here.
[03:42:37] <c0lo> Glad to see your asholeness didn't subside with the age, even if the quality of it seems to have dropped :grin:
[03:42:45] <Runaway1956> lol
[03:43:30] <c0lo> Well, I might be tempted to come back sometime in an obscure future, but that future is not today.
[03:43:40] <c0lo> All the best, guys.
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[03:43:44] <Runaway1956> later
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[04:17:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japanese Billionaire Arrives at Space Station for 12-Day Tourist Trip - https://sylnt.us - making-spacefright-safe-for-non-astronauts
[04:53:31] <Bytram> This song has been around for *40* years?!
[04:53:36] <Bytram> =yt https://youtube.com
[04:53:38] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Waitresses Christmas Wrapping FULL VERSION + Lyrics (05:23; 4,162,361 views; 👍21,009 👎1,114)
[04:54:16] <Bytram> =g Waitresses Christmas Wrapping
[04:54:16] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - The Waitresses - Christmas Wrapping (Music Video) - YouTube
[04:54:33] <Bytram> =w Waitresses Christmas Wrapping
[04:54:34] <systemd> "Christmas Wrapping" is a Christmas song by the American new wave band the Waitresses. It was first released on the 1981 compilation album A Christmas - https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:06:14] <Bytram> "On December 9, 1996, Donahue, who had been a heavy smoker most of her adult life, died of lung cancer in New York at the age of 40."
[07:07:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Italian Regulator Fines Amazon $1.28 Billion for Abusing its Market Dominance - https://sylnt.us
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[08:09:34] <SoyCow4485> Ah-niggahzkegumearHHHARRRRRRRFH
[08:09:39] <SoyCow4485> HHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH
[08:10:02] <SoyCow4485> I SHIT MYSELF!
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[08:10:10] <SoyCow4485> AHHHHHAHHHHHH!
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[09:41:14] <Runaway1956> Pfizer announces that booster shot improves protection from Omicron by 25%, Pfizer stocks up
[09:41:27] <Runaway1956> The pandemic is working just as designed
[09:47:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Super Trees" May Help Save Houston … and Beyond - https://sylnt.us - helped-beyond-"be-leaf"
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[11:38:27] <Ingar> pfizer employees knew back in january their 2021 bonus would be nice and fat
[12:36:27] <chromas> January of 2019 at least
[12:36:32] <chromas> from the stonks dept.
[12:41:35] <Ingar> in jan 2019 they only knew about their 2019 bonus
[12:46:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Marvel And DC Legend George Perez Says He Has Less Than A Year To Live - https://sylnt.us
[13:06:47] <chromas> Nah, it's the Covid Cinematic Universe
[13:10:10] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[13:10:12] <systemd> ^ 03The American Gin
[13:20:36] <chromas> Are gin makers known as gingers?
[13:57:23] <FatPhil> are gun makers called gungers?
[13:57:51] <FatPhil> =submit https://greenwald.substack.com
[13:57:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Julian Assange Loses Appeal: British High Court Accepts U.S. Request to Extradite Him for Trial" (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:58:03] <Bytram> chromas: Is that why Mary Ann was so bubbly on Gilligan's Island?
[13:58:26] <FatPhil> That Ginnigal's Island
[14:21:10] <janrinok> FatPhil, thanks - Assange is now the next story out
[14:22:34] <Bytram> FatPhil++ lol!
[14:22:34] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 161
[14:36:22] * FatPhil plays his dill piccolo, it's a small wind instrument that leaves you with a sour note
[14:38:27] <janrinok> lol
[14:40:27] <Bytram> FatPhil: :groan:
[14:41:08] <Bytram> Remember: once a pickle, never again a cucumber!
[14:42:36] <Bytram> janrinok++ congrats on publishing your 5,700th story! ( https://soylentnews.org )
[14:42:36] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 85
[14:42:37] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: Authors
[14:44:03] * janrinok remembers 'retiring' at 5000! Looks like I'm still here...
[14:44:56] * Bytram looks around but assumes he was just seeing things
[14:45:05] <Bytram> ;)
[14:51:46] <FatPhil> ghost of c0lo was floating around earlier
[14:53:47] <janrinok> by name or just because you could tell?
[14:55:05] <FatPhil> submitted an abc.com.au story - gotta be the old sheepshagger
[14:55:39] * FatPhil waves at c0lo reading the web logs
[14:56:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Julian Assange Loses Appeal: British High Court Accepts U.S. Request to Extradite Him for Trial - https://sylnt.us - its-not-over-till-the-fat-lady-sings
[15:36:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Marvel and DC Legend George Pérez Says He Has Less Than a Year to Live - https://sylnt.us
[15:42:19] <chromas> https://thenextweb.com
[15:42:20] <systemd> ^ 03Android users can’t dial 911 because of… Microsoft Teams?
[15:51:56] <FatPhil> if a solution is to uninstall and reinstall MS Teams, then a simpler solution is to uninstall MS Teams, no?
[15:53:32] <boru> I don't know why it caught on. It's the most universally shit solution for working remotely.
[15:54:48] <chromas> That's Microsoft's specialty
[15:54:57] <boru> True, indeed.
[16:04:18] <FatPhil> The crazy thing is that I was working on such solutions in 1994. We've made zero progress in decades.
[16:05:01] <chromas> Nuh uh. We've got dog filters now
[16:05:18] <chromas> "Oh yeah? I was working on dog filters in 1992!"
[16:21:07] <FatPhil> there wasn't enough DSP grunt for dog filters in 1992
[16:21:39] <FatPhil> actually, there probably was
[16:21:40] <boru> You had to physically attach dog parts to yourself.
[16:22:11] <FatPhil> we were detecting biscuits on conveyer belts in factories in 1992, so why not faces?
[16:23:01] <FatPhil> and that was just a simple C50 DSP, the C80 we had in 1994 had 5 DSP cores on it.
[16:23:39] <FatPhil> For some strange reason, dog filters weren't considered the solution to a real world problem back then.
[16:24:27] <FatPhil> Thank goodness times have changed, and we've now managed to create a problem such that dog filters are the solution.
[16:25:12] <boru> What's the least awful free image hosting website these days? I'd like to get some UI feedback.
[16:25:27] <FatPhil> your own webserver
[16:25:45] <boru> Least awful third party.
[16:28:49] <FatPhil> there ought to be a simple SSH-able script that would accept an scp, pop the upload into a web area, and then disconnect telling you what the new image's URL is.
[16:32:20] <chromas> You haven't made it already?
[16:32:26] <FatPhil> is it possible to configure a sshd server to handle a scp and do some post-processing? otherwise it would need to be a pipe over raw ssh. I've done pipes over raw ssh in the other direction, not in the upload direction?
[16:33:00] <chromas> I've copied hdds using pipes and ssh before
[16:33:12] <chromas> Don't remember which way tho
[16:33:52] <chromas> also dangit I missed a good !grab
[16:38:09] <FatPhil> something like this is often needed: ssh oldacct@site.in.uk youtube-dl -o - vidblockedhere > vidreceivedfromuk.mp4
[16:38:44] <FatPhil> I guess I need the < equivalent. but what should the far end script do...
[16:38:53] <FatPhil> Arse, I'm being summoned...
[16:39:47] <chromas> far end probably needs a > in quotes maybe
[16:40:14] <chromas> gotta hide it from the local shellamajigger
[16:47:43] <FatPhil> which script - the downloader or the uploader?
[16:48:12] <FatPhil> downloader splorts bytes to stdout, ssh is the conduit that's all
[16:48:33] <chromas> the remote side
[16:49:09] <FatPhil> for what scenario - uploading, or downloading?
[16:49:28] <FatPhil> -o - does "output to stdolut"
[16:49:31] <chromas> uploading. the one I thought you were asking about
[16:52:46] <chromas> can you do ssh user@blerg "cat - >remotefile" < localfile
[16:52:46] <chromas> or something?
[17:01:43] <FatPhil> no way I'm letting shell redirects!
[17:03:06] <chromas> oh it's not just for yourself?
[17:03:28] <chromas> create a socket-activated systemd service
[17:04:06] <FatPhil> I envision ``ssh boru@asdf.gh accept < myscreenshot.png''
[17:04:44] <FatPhil> such that boru can only run /usr/local/bin/accept
[17:05:35] <FatPhil> and the script accepts it, checks it, moves it, and then just responds with the url for it and hangs up
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[17:08:00] <FatPhil> I'll happily buy another raspi just to run this service, as I would use it myself. presently I just scp to fatphil.org/tmp/
[17:11:43] <FatPhil> but of course, I don't mind giving myself a shell account on that machine
[17:13:47] <chromas> what's wrong with a cgi script? :D
[17:13:53] <chromas> then you just use curl
[17:14:52] <chromas> make it a phpoo script that shells out to python to do the actual work
[17:17:55] <FatPhil> that doesn't have enough XML
[17:18:07] <chromas> good pointe. gotta work in some java too, somehow
[17:22:09] <FatPhil> I would joke "does that still exist?!?!" but alas I realised why the app I ran took 300s to fail to start up the other day... I saw "java" in the process list
[17:23:27] <FatPhil> very enterprise - it's a trading interface for my bank account. however, use of it costs extra, and incurs additional fees. Aaaand, it basically doesn't work, so it was the quickest uninstall evar.
[17:23:44] <chromas> oh yeah, use xml to encode the data in the pipes between scripty languages
[17:24:55] <chromas> maybe you can make a shell script to hit the same apis so getting charged extra is less painful
[17:27:54] <FatPhil> it was tempting to sniff the packets, but only one time in 10 did it reach the "I'll show the proce of something" stage, and I'm not even sure it was showing the right price.
[17:28:24] <chromas> still probably easier than looking at the java source
[17:29:34] <FatPhil> I've had the account 2 weeks, and I've already sent 3 "you web trading interface is utter bollocks" mails to the support emailOA
[17:31:45] <FatPhil> I know they're gonna say "upgrade to the trader java app", but haven't worked out what my response will be.
[17:32:01] <FatPhil> apart from the obvious "GFY"
[17:34:16] <FatPhil> We do have the moral upper hand presently, as g/f & I both opened accounts simultaniously specifically, we told them this at the time, for trading. She, as yanky scum, had to fill in extra forms, pour le taxe. However, after she transfered moolah in, we found out she was blocked from doing any trading, as she's yanky scum.
[17:35:19] <FatPhil> so she closed her account with a "thanks for completely wasting my time" and got her money returned *plus banking fees*, because they done fucked up.
[17:35:42] <FatPhil> keep them twitchy. keep'em scared.
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[19:25:18] <Bytram> FatPhil: I suspect having a way to upload files willy-nilly might just be open to abuse.
[19:27:25] <FatPhil> hence authentication
[19:29:42] <Bytram> Heck, I'd love to have a way to upload/download files on SN for discussion purposes (read: debugging an issue) would be immensely useful... but how to keep it easy-to-use without it ALSO being easy-to-ABUSE, that's something I've not been able to sort out. :(
[19:31:45] <Bytram> also, would be good to make it hard to supersede normal posting.
[19:37:24] <Bytram> Worked on a project (slow dialup access) where I created a file om a server. Called co-worker on another line. Discussed a situation. Edited a file with emacs and saved changes. Then told co-worker to reload the file so they could see my proposed changes. They updated the file with THEIR changes, hit save, and told me to reload to see them. Worked great! Slow, yes, but it worked!
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[22:00:18] <FatPhil> emacs should have locked the file against multiple editing.
[22:01:27] <FatPhil> what's better is to use screen or tmux, and actually share a session.
[22:01:57] <FatPhil> I think screen allows a snoop-only mode, so only one can be doing inputs.
[22:06:18] <halibut> FatPhil: (Maybe Bytram): sshd has a ForceCommand option, but you can also do what you want to do with ssh key commands.
[22:06:50] <halibut> You can write a script on the remote server that reads stdin and does whatever you want. Then, you create a special ssh key (I think there is a trick for doing this with ssh certificates, too, where you can specify the command).
[22:07:07] <halibut> On the remote host, in authorized_keys, you store the public key along with a command="script".
[22:07:20] <halibut> Then, whenever you log in with that key, it automatically runs that script.
[22:07:41] <halibut> cat MY_UPLOAD_DATA | ssh -i my_special_script_key username@host
[22:08:01] <halibut> It will automatically run the specified script/program on the remote end and process MY_UPLOAD_DATA.
[22:11:22] <halibut> I think with certificates, you can issue a certificate that specifies the time it is valid, who is allowed to use it, and exactly what command will be run when it is used for logging in. You can also revoke certificates ... I think. I have not used certificates with ssh. I have heard about it, and it sounds fun, but I have not used it.
[22:12:43] <Bytram> FatPhil: It was LONG ago. (I did say dialup access!) Correction: I was on an 80286 and using Epsion (an Emacs *clone*) running on MS/DOS 3.1. Dunno for sure what system they were on; could have been a PR1ME system.
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[22:31:44] <FatPhil> shoulda used a network-oriented operating system rather than a toy.
[22:36:19] <Bytram> halibut: For extra fun... I neglected to mention we also have Kerberos (sp?) running here. Somebody else set up access for me. Long LONG ago. That and set up my access perms on the site. If it seems like I an hand-waving about this -- I am!
[22:41:51] <halibut> I have used kerberos (client setup only). It is cool, but sshd is easier to set up (especially since you typically want it anyways for other reasons).
[22:42:53] <halibut> I think, to use Kerberos for the purposes described above, you would need a special server to perform the task, and have it use Kerberos authentication. That would be significantly more difficult than just reusing sshd and setting up a script or simple program to do the task.
[22:43:07] <halibut> Still, another option.
[22:43:21] <Bytram> Like I said, it was all set up *for* me. I can barely even *spell* Kerberos!
[22:43:38] * Bytram misses NCommander
[22:44:50] <Bytram> Unrelated, but is there a linux command like "top" that displays/monitors I/O?
[22:45:34] <progo> who's up for swimming in the lower hudson valley tomorrow?
[22:45:37] <halibut> Fortunately, you only need to spell it to ``talk'' about it. The actual utilities are easier (kinit, kdestroy, klist). Trying to describe ticket-granting-tickets (TGTs) and whatever the tickets they actually grant (I forget the acronym) and things like that gets confusing.
[22:45:44] <progo> 37° now, up to 60°F tomorrow
[22:45:55] * progo is going hiking probably
[22:45:58] <halibut> I do not have it installed, but there is an iotop program.
[22:46:12] <halibut> I believe, as the name implies, it is very much like top.
[22:46:26] <progo> https://www.tecmint.com
[22:46:27] <systemd> ^ 03Iotop - Monitor Linux Disk I/O Activity and Usage Per-Process Basis
[22:46:42] <halibut> It has been mentioned here before (a long while ago), and I think I took a look at it at the time, but did not bother installing it on my main computers.
[22:48:18] <Bytram> The air may be "warm" but I suspect the Hudson River might not be so hot (pun intended).
[22:49:00] <progo> nah, up in the mountains
[22:49:08] <progo> and yeah the water will be chilly :^)
[22:50:19] <Bytram> In the mountains... Adirondacks?
[22:50:44] <progo> no, Rockland County just a bit northwest of NYC. Harriman State Park
[22:50:52] <progo> commuter train goes there
[22:50:55] <progo> I haven't got a car
[22:52:39] * Bytram is somewhat familiar with the area around Pougheepsie (sp?) and Kingston.
[22:58:10] * Bytram plays with iotop
[22:59:28] <halibut> Don't type too much -- you'll mess with the signal.
[22:59:42] <halibut> ... or, see if you can type so much you can see the signal on iotop.
[23:03:10] <progo> lemme find some heisenberg compensators
[23:04:07] <Bytram> I started a "grep -IRi <text>" command on my SSD (1 TB) quite a quite ago. It output a few lines... then nada. Trying to see what (if anything) is going
[23:05:40] <Bytram> low CPU load according to Ubuntu Mate's system monitor.
[23:06:46] <Bytram> biggest load, right now, is from running "iotop"!
[23:07:38] <progo> last night I blew up a lightning talk because I forgot to unmount my company laptop from my front-end desktop via smb, put the laptop to sleep, and then dolphin and everything Qt that wanted to stat my dolphin bookmarks kept hanging for 30 seconds at a time
[23:07:50] <progo> oh well, lesson learned
[23:09:12] <Bytram> =w flipper TV
[23:09:13] <systemd> Flipper is an American television program broadcast on NBC from September 19, 1964, until April 15, 1967. Flipper, a bottlenose dolphin, is the pet of - https://en.wikipedia.org(1964_TV_series)
[23:10:13] <progo> I guess clown world really started decades ago, didn't it?
[23:10:56] <Bytram> I gave up. ^C to the grep. Saw no change in the (negligible) system CPU load
[23:21:51] <FatPhil> the grep should have been i/o bound. if not, get faster CPUs!
[23:25:43] <Bytram> understood (in a previous life I tested optimizations to IBM's VM operating system!)
[23:26:40] <Bytram> was certain I had a D/L of a dile, but cannot seem to find it. :(
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[23:37:45] <FatPhil> when I was a prime number nerd I had 2 sayings that are pertinent: "if reading a list of small primes from a file is slower than generating them with a sieve, then your filesystem, or serialisation, isn't fast enough" and "if reading a list of small primes from a file is faster than just generating them with a sieve, then your sieve isn't fast enough".
[23:46:09] <Bytram> lol