#soylent | Logs for 2022-02-27
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[00:04:03] <FatPhil> I hope it would be intercepted and redirected to the international red cross.
[00:31:42] <FatPhil> anyway, euros invented the waltz, end of.
[00:32:07] <FatPhil> heck, we invented the tango too, don't believe that south american propaganda!
[00:56:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mopping Can Create Air Pollution That Rivals City Streets - https://sylnt.us - I'm-so-glad-we-had-this-time-together
[03:15:07] <Runaway1956> lol @ fakenews Euro pride
[03:17:32] <Runaway1956> fwupdmgr update FatPhil
[03:21:16] <Runaway1956> QOTD: If you are going to walk on thin ice, you may as well dance.
[03:39:21] <tedious> That sounds like it would make it worse. :)
[03:40:00] <Runaway1956> Oh, I dunno - if you're going to go through the ice, you should have fun until you do, right?
[03:40:35] <halibut> If you want to have fun, you should skate, not dance.
[03:41:00] <Runaway1956> Sounds like a title for a movie - Dances with Skates
[03:41:34] <halibut> To be pedantic, nobody is specifying what is under the thin ice. Ice skating rinks have thin ice. Below that is a giant turtle. That turtle is on the back of another turtle ... turtles, all the way down.
[03:41:58] <Runaway1956> halibut++
[03:41:58] <Bender> karma - halibut: 21
[03:42:28] <halibut> Horror movie title: Thin Ice: Dancing with Skates
[03:44:17] <halibut> Sequel to a bad romantic comedy: Dancer with Skates 2: Thin Ice
[03:44:52] <tedious> halibut-- bad joke
[03:44:52] <Bender> karma - halibut: 20
[03:44:57] <tedious> :)
[03:46:50] <halibut> It happens.
[03:52:32] <Runaway1956> Fox news headline: Intelligence reports say there will be 'Russian strikes on Kyiv tonight'
[03:52:51] <Runaway1956> The least intelligent person I know could have figured that out
[03:53:53] <Runaway1956> Maybe I should correct that to, 'the least intelligent person I know who reads above a third grade level could have figured that out'
[03:59:34] <Runaway1956> we need to outlaw wine bottles!
[03:59:39] <Runaway1956> https://www.smh.com.au
[03:59:40] <systemd> ^ 03Untangling the story of Singapore’s ‘litter’ killing and the Australian IT worker who did it
[04:11:41] <tedious> Runaway1956: You'd expect that but there doesn
[04:11:55] <tedious> Runaway1956: You'd expect that but there doesn't seem to be anything major happening.
[04:12:19] <tedious> https://www.youtube.com
[04:12:22] <systemd> ^ 03LIVE: View of Kyiv as Russia launches major Ukraine invasion
[04:12:42] <tedious> Doesn't look like anything's happening.
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[04:16:20] <SoyCow0238> Hello, fellow Jews. So are we pushing the vaccines, or not?
[04:16:51] <SoyCow0238> I need the good word, so I know what to tell the Goyim tomorrow.
[04:17:45] <SoyCow0238> Jew-hive, please respond. My Goyim need answers!
[04:18:41] <Runaway1956> oh, hai EF
[04:18:43] <SoyCow0238> Jew-hive, you feds are late with my informant payments.
[04:18:54] <SoyCow0238> Where's my wire-transfer?
[04:19:07] <Runaway1956> no new material?
[04:19:36] <SoyCow0238> I overheard a few Goyim questioning the holocaust. Their names, but first the 20K you owe me.
[04:20:16] <SoyCow0238> One of them is a big name, too. He manages a McDonalds in a White area
[04:21:14] <SoyCow0238> Ah, now I know why the wire transfers aren't coming. The war in Ukraine.
[04:21:38] <SoyCow0238> Guess that's the problem with laundering American tax dollars back into the country.
[04:22:30] <SoyCow0238> I shall report back in a few days. But those Jew-bucks are mine.
[04:23:47] * SoyCow0238 's nose extends, hands rubbing
[04:23:59] <SoyCow0238> Till we met again, fellow International Jews!
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[04:29:50] <halibut> Poor Zardax, not getting the credit where it's due ... https://www.smbc-comics.com
[04:29:51] <systemd> ^ 03Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Zardax
[05:00:50] <Runaway1956> Clicked a link offering several live cameras in Ukraine - found an oddity right away
[05:01:08] <Runaway1956> Some parts of Ukraine are in daylight, other parts are night time
[05:01:25] <Runaway1956> I wasn't aware that Ukraine spanned so many time zones . . .
[05:05:56] <halibut> It's because the Earth is flat.
[05:06:06] <halibut> Like certain types of fish.
[05:07:18] <halibut> According to certain flat Earth models, the sun is a spotlight that moves in a circle over the flat Earth.
[05:07:40] <halibut> When you are in the circle of illumination from the spotlight, it is day. Otherwise, it is night.
[05:07:51] <halibut> However, you should still be able to see the spotlight in the sky, even at night.
[05:07:57] <halibut> Therefore, it can look like day, even when it is night.
[05:48:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Telemedicine Leaves Behind Non-English Speakers, Study Shows - https://sylnt.us
[07:45:26] <Runaway1956> ITV interviewing people in Dnipro - the first suggestion that food supplies are running out - that puts the lie to claims that Ukraine has the upper hand
[08:04:47] <Runaway1956> Russian columns moving through Kharkiv - no indication how much of the city they control
[08:05:19] <Runaway1956> Major fuel depot south of Kiev burning
[08:42:06] <chromas> the RT link from earlier loads fine for me in-browser
[08:42:18] <chromas> teste https://www.rt.com
[08:42:18] <systemd> ^ 03DDOS-GUARD
[08:42:30] <chromas> Might just be racis' against bots
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[11:27:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FreeDOS 1.3 released - https://sylnt.us - for-those-seeking-something-different
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[12:33:34] <sqrlgrrl> rt.com links? trying to give people viruses, ivan?
[13:52:33] <Runaway1956> Zelensky agrees to meet Russians at Belarussian border
[13:52:56] <Runaway1956> that from WION youtube stream
[13:59:26] <FatPhil> https://www.smbc-comics.com
[13:59:27] <systemd> ^ 03Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Wolf
[14:02:59] <Runaway1956> Oh shit - Putin puts "nuclear deterrence" forces on alert
[14:11:48] <janrinok> Yep - just came to say the same thing
[14:12:04] <janrinok> they are on 'special alert'
[14:12:30] <Runaway1956> Tsinkanskaya making herself a targt in Belarus
[14:12:55] <Runaway1956> (spellling)
[14:14:00] <Runaway1956> Judo federation suspends Putin
[14:15:19] <Runaway1956> Jen Psaki is going to save us all - she announces travel restrictions on Putin and his aids
[14:22:55] <Bytram> janrinok: Let's hope that the 'special alert' is just 'saber rattling'
[14:23:28] <Runaway1956> mmmmmmm
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[14:30:53] <Runaway1956> Belarus discussing scrapping neutral status, to allow Russia to station nukes on their territory
[14:32:23] <Runaway1956> that from DW news livesream
[14:34:02] <Bytram> Runaway1956: link please? (I can read (some) German)
[14:34:16] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[14:34:17] <systemd> ^ 03Russia invades Ukraine LIVE | DW News livestream | Headline news from around the world
[14:34:35] <Runaway1956> Scholz is speeching
[14:36:52] <Runaway1956> A bit of levity - there's a guy in the audience, looks like he didn't have a mask, so he pulled his red sweater up over his nose
[14:41:36] <Runaway1956> Scholz wants to spend 2% of GDP on defense - it's time that all of Europe does the same, and stop relying on US
[14:44:17] <Runaway1956> Just realized, several men in the audience are wearing the BoJo hair style
[14:47:19] <Runaway1956> Oh wait - one of those BoJo hair styles is a female with white hair!
[14:50:34] <Bytram> gtg
[14:50:54] <Bytram> laters...
[14:51:15] <Bytram> stay safe everybody!
[15:02:59] <Runaway1956> Rachel Madcow has discovered Chernobyl . . . I switched channels pretty quickly
[15:18:25] <FatPhil> sorry, discussions of Madcow belong on #shitchat
[15:19:39] <FatPhil> Nice to see you propagate the "US spends too much on NATO" line that Putin was feeding Trump, and that Trump and his useful idiots lapped up.
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[15:33:27] <Runaway1956> France 24 shows a pic of a smoking tank, calls it "crippled tank"
[15:33:44] <Runaway1956> I guess they don't understand that when a tank smokes, it's history
[15:36:07] <Runaway1956> FatPhil - it's possible that the US doesn't spend too much on European defense, but Europe definitely spends too little
[15:39:29] <Runaway1956> BBC fails - they say Russian tanks entered Kiev this morning, but they show video I watched early yesterday
[15:40:15] <Runaway1956> Oooops - sorry BBC, I'm watching an old news cast
[16:07:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Linux Backdoor Went (Almost) Undetected for 10 Years - https://sylnt.us
[17:19:19] <janrinok> <janrinok> LIVE from EU. Complete ban on all Russian controlled media from anywhere in the EU. Sanctions also being introduced against Belorus. Complete ban on air movements or overflights by any aircraft owned by, controlled by, or operated by any Russian entity, including oligarchs and private individuals.
[17:19:20] <janrinok> <janrinok> The EU has agreed for the first time to provide arms to a non-EU country
[17:19:20] <janrinok> <janrinok> This last point will allow individual nations to provide weapons to Ukraine but to claim some costs back from the EU. It will be entirely voluntary.
[17:20:08] <janrinok> RT and Sputnik were named as specific media providers - they will lose their broadcast licences throughout the EU. However, they both widely us Youtube which is outside of EU control.
[17:21:54] <FatPhil> In the US they are registered as "Foreign Agents".
[17:24:20] <FatPhil> I occasionally watch RT news clips, they cover things other media don't. I prefer their analysis of US and UK politics to anything from the UK or US.
[17:25:01] <FatPhil> And because they do ordinary news pretty well, it's so damned obvious when they're just pushing propaganda, it sticks out a mile.
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[17:38:07] <Runaway1956> Ditto what Fatphil says - though I look at Sputnik less than I look at RT
[18:16:11] <Runaway1956> Short bit of video on Al Jazeera has me curious - some kind of gun emplacement on a hill side, firing at armor below it
[18:16:46] <Runaway1956> Definitely not a "machine gun", it sounds like "chunk chunk chunk chunk" similar to a mortar
[18:17:29] <Runaway1956> About one round per second, not really rapid fire
[18:19:07] <Runaway1956> Of course, it gives away it's position immediately, it blows grey smoke like a well tuned diesel
[18:19:37] <janrinok> 78mm arty?
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[18:19:54] <Runaway1956> At a guess - it's probably about half that size
[18:20:12] <Runaway1956> hard to judge, can't say how far away the camera is from the emplacement
[19:07:05] <sqrlgrrl> anyone who thinks they're too smart to be fooled by rt's pay ops is dunning-krueger themselves.
[19:07:16] <sqrlgrrl> psy ops
[19:09:37] <sqrlgrrl> you're stupid if you read rt. doubly stupid if you share rt links. rt is putin's personal psy ops.
[19:22:47] <chromas> that's just what our own propagandists want us to believe
[19:29:16] <sqrlgrrl> i never said anything about 'our own propagandists'. i'm simply saying that consuming rt is fucking retarded.
[19:29:58] <sqrlgrrl> inexcusably stupid for anyone that thinks they're intelligent. honest to god, reading and linking rt. ffs.
[19:37:25] <Runaway1956> Well, thanks for calling us retarded, squirely girley -
[19:37:41] <Runaway1956> Bytram would prefer that you kept things civil though
[19:41:36] <sqrlgrrl> you're welcome. someone has to let remind the men when they're being morons.
[19:42:08] <Runaway1956> But men are just mysogenists when they remind women of the same thing, right?
[19:43:09] <sqrlgrrl> i didn't say that. nice try.
[19:43:54] <Runaway1956> Lots of people do say that though
[19:56:13] <tedious> sqrlgrrl: I was offline for a few weeks with an irc configuration problem that I couldn't be bothered to figure out so I may have missed when you first arrived.
[19:56:33] <tedious> If so and it was recently then welcome to soylent news.
[19:57:12] <tedious> That being said I think you should know that fatphil is one of our resident geniuses so calling him retarded really just makes you look foolish.
[19:57:45] <tedious> Or perhaps makes you look disingenuous.
[19:59:17] <tedious> Not only is he intelligent enough to separate out the propaganda from the good reporting he actually lives estonia which as I'm sure you know is smack on the edge of the region in question.
[20:01:38] <Runaway1956> Some people may not realize that SN is an international community
[20:01:59] <Runaway1956> We even allow the French in here!
[20:03:24] <tedious> Isn't that because they surrendered immediately? :)
[20:03:38] <Runaway1956> lol
[20:03:51] <tedious> Here's some possible good news as far as de-escalation goes. https://nationalpost.com
[20:03:52] <systemd> ^ 03Turkey to implement international pact on access to shipping straits due to Ukraine war
[20:05:00] <tedious> And this might help with getting the word out from less propaganda-y sources. https://www.cnn.com
[20:05:02] <systemd> ^ 03SpaceX Starlink satellite internet service activated in Ukraine, says Elon Musk
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[20:06:48] <tedious> Although I have no idea how many people actually have starlink dishes and I'm guessing it's not very many.
[20:07:14] <tedious> SoyGuest30497: What does changing host mean?
[20:07:34] <tedious> Is that an irc client feature I've never heard of?
[20:08:32] <SoyGuest30497> You can change the vhost. In this case, the server was lying about my password being wrong, so I had to change it.
[20:08:57] <SoyGuest30497> so when I authenticate with the server, then I get the vhost assigned to the account
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[20:10:00] <tedious> Oh!
[20:10:31] <tedious> I don't know anything about irc vhosts so I guess I was almost right. :)
[20:11:37] <Cascade> By default, it shows a slightly mangled version of your reverse dns, so you can change it by setting the ptr record of your ip. Otherwise, you can message HostServ to set something if you want
[20:12:26] <tedious> Thanks I'll give it a try!
[20:12:49] <tedious> Meanwhile what happened to refugees are welcome here? https://www.mirror.co.uk
[20:12:50] <systemd> ^ 03Minister says fleeing Ukrainians can apply for visa to pick fruit and veg in UK
[20:13:09] <Cascade> Not the right kind of refugees.
[20:13:15] <tedious> I've noticed that it's mostly crickets when people in europe are talking about all the refugees fleeing ukraine.
[20:13:19] <Cascade> =yt fugees ready or not
[20:13:20] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Fugees - Ready or Not (Official Video) (04:38; 187,974,324 views; 👍1,098,171 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
[20:13:55] <Runaway1956> The English are racisssss
[20:14:47] <tedious> Does anybody know what percentage of ukrainians are fluent in english?
[20:15:13] <Runaway1956> Not really, but it seems all the Ukies interviewed by the media are pretty fluent
[20:15:47] <tedious> I would think they should have a much easier time in western countries than non-english speaking refugees from radically different countries.
[20:17:20] <Runaway1956> If you go back and look at how Poles and other Slavs are welcomed in the UK, it's not terribly impressive
[20:18:16] <Runaway1956> Maybe they aren't entirely dumped on, but it seems that darker colored folk from around the world are more welcome than Slavs
[20:18:37] <Runaway1956> that's just my two cents
[20:19:01] <tedious> Does that have something to do with addidas track suits?
[20:19:08] <tedious> That's about all I know.
[20:19:44] <tedious> Can anyone confirm this? https://www.usnews.com
[20:19:45] <systemd> ^ 03Ukrainian Official Says Missiles Launched From Belarus to Ukraine
[20:19:50] <Cascade> Get outta here with your Adidas! This is Reebok country!
[20:20:32] <Runaway1956> I've not yet confirmed that anything has crossed Belarus border into Ukraine.
[20:20:44] <Runaway1956> I'm not sure of anything, I just haven't confirmed it
[20:21:31] * Runaway1956 needs to think about cooking something for dinner
[20:22:15] <Cascade> https://www.wsj.com
[20:22:16] <systemd> ^ 03U.S. Says Russia Is Firing More Indiscriminate Missiles in Ukraine
[20:22:30] <Cascade> Doesn't mention Belarus though.
[20:22:39] <tedious> That sounds like bunk to me.
[20:23:34] <tedious> Mainly because I don't see russian military officers wasting missiles while there are still things they want to blow up.
[20:24:04] <Cascade> https://www.msn.com
[20:24:06] <systemd> ^ 03Ukraine crisis: Iskander missiles launched from Belarus to Ukraine - gov't adviser
[20:24:10] <tedious> I haven't talked to many russians but I can't think of anyone who was indiscriminate.
[20:25:33] <Cascade> Indiscriminate just means they're not checking IDs first.
[20:25:35] <tedious> Ok that sounds like an escalation. :(
[20:26:10] <Runaway1956> "an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister said."
[20:26:28] <Cascade> Not sure if Jerusalem Post is fake news. All the other sites I see mentioning Belarus are ones nobody's ever heard of like GMA and Unilad.
[20:26:44] <Runaway1956> That report seems odd, because Belarus extended guarantees that no attacks would be launched from Belarus during talks
[20:27:22] <Cascade> You just fire only when taking a breath. See? It wasn't during talks ;)\
[20:27:34] <Runaway1956> lol
[20:27:50] <Runaway1956> that snot really funny, but lol anyway
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[20:28:43] <tedious> Yeah I just found this. https://www.nbcnews.com
[20:28:44] <systemd> ^ 03Ukrainian president agrees to talks as Putin puts his nuclear forces on alert
[20:33:27] <tedious> In that article zalensky claims russians are targeting kindergartens which I would bet my savings is complete bunk.
[20:34:36] <tedious> If that's the case you would see dozens of videos on all mainstream media stations calling for world war against the evil russian madmen.
[20:34:55] <tedious> Footage of dead kids and the whole horror show.
[20:36:01] <Cascade> So now that we're at war with Russa. Are we buttbuddies with China again?
[20:36:28] <Cascade> Oh shit I'm sorry! We were always at war with Russia. And we were always buttbuddies with the China.
[20:36:36] * Cascade prepares for 101
[20:39:52] <Bytram> "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
[20:40:53] <tedious> Cascade: I just found this and it looks like we are in fact going to be sending americans to fight in ukraine.
[20:40:57] <tedious> https://www.militarytimes.com
[20:40:58] <systemd> ^ 03Want to go fight for Ukraine? Here’s what to do.
[20:41:34] <tedious> Isn't it extremely illegal for a us soldier to go fight for another country while wearing their uniform?
[20:42:06] <tedious> The biden regime should be arresting every american who tries.
[20:42:28] <tedious> This is the worst kind of escalation I can think of besides actual nuclear bombing.
[20:57:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Webb Telescope Reaches Major Milestone: All its Light is in One Place - https://sylnt.us
[21:33:43] <Runaway1956> Tedious - it would be illegal for a US soldier/sailor/airman to enlist in the service of another country IF HE WORE IDENTIFYING MARKS ON HIS UNIFORM
[21:34:05] <Runaway1956> Strip off markings, and you're good to go
[21:34:34] <tedious> Well that article said it would be good for american servicemen to be seen in uniform fighting for ukraine.
[21:34:46] <tedious> And that seems like a horrible idea to me.
[21:35:12] <Runaway1956> Your uniform will be identifiable as "American" but without insignia, that is meaningless
[21:35:16] <tedious> Might as well just skip right to the part where we nuke the entire planet and let the cockroaches have their turn.
[21:36:28] <Runaway1956> You realize that most militaries have non-citizens, don't you?
[21:36:50] <Runaway1956> Probably the US more than anyone
[21:37:34] <tedious> Yes but as of today the usa doesn't have american flag carrying military fighting russians in ukraine.
[21:37:56] <tedious> Besides the ones who are working for the cia and other naughty groups.
[21:38:04] <Runaway1956> Well, I did say that they have to strip idenftying insignia
[21:38:13] <tedious> So this is still a regional war and doesn't officially involve nato.
[21:38:58] <tedious> This call to get americans to fly over there and start fighting seems to me like a way to turn this into a world war without putin's cooperation.
[21:40:51] <tedious> I'm classifying most news items I see into escalation and de-escalation and I'm not feeling too hopeful to be honest.
[21:41:24] <tedious> Things like this aren't helping. https://www.wired.com
[21:41:25] <systemd> ^ 03Ukraine’s Volunteer ‘IT Army’ Is Hacking in Uncharted Territory
[21:41:57] <Runaway1956> RT propaganda says Ukraine army retreating from the east, scorching the earth behind them
[21:42:17] <Runaway1956> could be true, but I'm not buying it just 'cause RT says it
[21:51:37] <Runaway1956> Oh, I just realized something!
[21:51:42] <Bytram> Runaway1956: I kind of suggested this earlier... pls do NOT just paraphrase something you read -- include the source -- that way we can come to our OWN conclusions
[21:52:16] <Runaway1956> live stream is what I'm watching https://www.youtube.com
[21:52:18] <systemd> ^ 03Putin announces 'special operation' in Donbass
[21:52:34] <Bytram> TY!
[21:53:07] <Runaway1956> with the EU shutting down media they don't like, SN may be shut down
[21:54:23] <chromas> We're not in the EU though
[21:54:29] <chromas> We SNexited
[21:54:32] <Runaway1956> Some of our members are
[21:54:56] <chromas> Maybe they'll be great firewalled
[21:55:01] <Runaway1956> We'll hit the Great Firewall of Europe and bounce off
[21:55:11] <chromas> Anyway, we're not real media. We just retweet.
[21:55:42] <Runaway1956> But, RT says Ukraine is retweeting from Donbass . . .
[21:56:09] <tedious> Not sure if this is going to be reachable but it's another escalation. https://www.rt.com
[21:56:11] <systemd> ^ 03DDOS-GUARD
[21:56:22] <chromas> works4me
[21:56:34] <tedious> But not your bot. :)
[21:57:38] <chromas> yes. interesting. a plain curl gets the page just fine
[21:58:01] <chromas> maybe if I destroy the cookie jar
[22:00:34] <Runaway1956> Are they going to train pilots overnight?
[22:01:07] <chromas> test https://www.rt.com
[22:01:07] <Runaway1956> Maybe EU pilots resign their commissions and re-enlist in Ukraine AF
[22:01:07] <systemd> ^ 03DDOS-GUARD
[22:01:11] <chromas> fart
[22:04:39] <Runaway1956> Like all the rest, RT has begun repeating itself, I need to find something new
[22:13:01] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[22:13:02] <systemd> ^ 03LIVE – War in Ukraine: Follow the latest on FRANCE 24
[22:13:20] <Runaway1956> A momentary shot of graffiti showed that the crips have a presence in Kiev
[22:13:52] <Bytram> #weather ukraine
[22:13:53] <MrPlow> Набутівська сільська громада, Cherkasy Raion, Ukraine - Today: "Foggy overnight." 41/30F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~12mph. Tue: "Foggy in the morning." 39/32F, Humidity: 81%, Precip: 36%, Wind ~11mph. Wed: "Light rain throughout the day." 39/33F, Humidity: 89%, Precip: 95%, Wind ~9mph.
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[22:18:41] <tedious> Runaway1956: Is that youtube actually live?
[22:19:16] <tedious> Youtube needs to embed a time code in their live videos so you can see how far behind the clock they are.
[22:19:25] <Runaway1956> It claims to be live tedious, but it is basically ongoing reiteration of stuff collected at various times
[22:19:54] <Runaway1956> It's "live" as in, the anchors are live I think
[22:20:13] <Runaway1956> the term has little if any meaning beyond that
[22:20:33] <tedious> Oh ok so it's just a tv show on youtube.
[22:20:51] <Runaway1956> I think that's a fair description
[22:23:18] <tedious> After all the lying on tv for the past several years I think I'd rather watch a teenager with a webcam who doesn't know very much but at least tells the truth about what he sees out his window.
[22:30:41] <Bytram> tedious: I concur with your assessment
[22:31:43] <Bytram> about "live" broadcasts, that it
[22:34:25] <Runaway1956> https://www.sott.net
[22:34:26] <systemd> ^ 03Military training for young children at Ukraine's "Neo-Nazi Summer Camp". Recruitment of Ukraine's "Child Soldiers" financed by US "Nonlethal" Military Aid? -- Sott.net
[22:35:31] <ar> Runaway1956: having fun gulping up russian propaganda machine's garbage?
[22:36:14] <Runaway1956> Oh, well, if you have a rebuttal for anything in particular, I will probably look at it
[22:36:57] <ar> the article as a whole
[22:37:03] <ar> it's just garbage
[22:37:22] <Runaway1956> You didn't even read it, seeing as you responded within seconds
[22:37:54] <Runaway1956> Apparently, you were triggered by the title
[22:45:04] <tedious> I am getting very suspicious of any article that mentions the word nazi because this whole mess seems to be each side calling the other side nazis and using that to justify escalating the situation.
[22:46:40] <Runaway1956> The thing about the Azov battalion, tedious, is that they were very openly neo-Nazi
[22:46:46] <Runaway1956> I mean, very openly
[22:47:07] <Runaway1956> they celebrated their members who were decorated by the Nazis during WW2
[22:47:11] <Bytram> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com
[22:47:12] <systemd> ^ 03You searched for https://www.sott.net - Media Bias/Fact Check
[22:47:31] <Bytram> "Last updated on January 29th, 2021 at 08:08 pm CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence…."
[22:48:29] <chromas> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com
[22:48:30] <systemd> ^ 03You searched for https://mediabiasfactcheck.com - Media Bias/Fact Check
[22:49:10] <tedious> Bytram: One propaganda site calls another propaganda site a propaganda site?
[22:49:22] <Runaway1956> That is how it works, yes
[22:49:43] <tedious> Runaway1956: I'm not denying that ukraine has a lot of history from ww2.
[22:50:24] <Runaway1956> Greater Ukraine is not so bad - the poison is concentrated into some select organizations
[22:50:31] <tedious> But right now the word nazi has lost almost all meaning because it has become just the most blatant way of calling your enemy an evil maniac no matter who they are or what they do.
[22:51:51] <chromas> http://i0.kym-cdn.com
[22:51:53] <tedious> Anti-war activists who had the misfortune of voting for trump because they didn't want hillary to have another 4 years of we-came-we-saw-he-died are called nazis now.
[22:52:30] <tedious> So I'm giving anyone screaming nazi 2 out of 3 strikes right off the bat.
[22:58:33] <chromas> https://knowyourmeme.com
[22:58:33] <systemd> ^ 032021-2022 Russia-Ukraine Conflict
[22:58:39] <FatPhil> RT did the Nazi thing very early, that was one of the warning signs that nothing rational woudl come from it for a while
[22:59:15] <Bytram> tedious: Runaway1956: With one unstated factor in that assessment: I've been consulting them for a few years and, personally, generally concur with their assessments. Not always, mind you, (that would be kinda scary!) but for the vast majority of the time, yes.
[23:00:03] <Bytram> phone call
[23:00:05] <chromas> So their bias is also your bias
[23:00:14] <tedious> Bytram: Concurring with their assessments doesn't mean they're correct though. :)
[23:00:33] <tedious> chromas said it faster and more concisely. :)
[23:04:17] <Bytram> and, if you've been following SoylentNews for a while, then you have probably formed your own thoughts about how I look at things, and can use that to assist in your assessment of them =)
[23:05:04] <Bytram> It's all relative!
[23:10:45] <Runaway1956> NUH-UH! Not my relatives!
[23:15:04] <tedious> Can the bot read wsj articles?
[23:15:08] <tedious> https://www.wsj.com
[23:15:09] <systemd> ^ 03Opinion | Putin Loses Germany
[23:15:23] <tedious> More than the 2 paragraphs it gives me.
[23:15:49] <Runaway1956> WSJ infuriates me - their reporting isn't even that great
[23:17:56] <Runaway1956> The article says nothing more than I've already watched on various news streams on Youtube today
[23:19:06] <Bytram> =g owner WSJ
[23:19:07] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - The Wall Street Journal - Wikipedia
[23:21:41] <Bytram> BEGIN
[23:21:42] <Bytram> The Wall Street JournalTrust Your Decisions
[23:21:42] <Bytram> WSJ Logo.svg
[23:21:42] <Bytram> Type Daily newspaper
[23:21:42] <Bytram> Format Broadsheet
[23:21:42] <Bytram> Owner(s) News Corp (via Dow Jones & Company)
[23:21:44] <Bytram> Founder(s)
[23:21:46] <Bytram> Charles Dow
[23:21:48] <Bytram> Edward Jones
[23:21:50] <Bytram> Charles Bergstresser
[23:21:52] <Bytram> Publisher Almar Latour
[23:21:54] <Bytram> Editor-in-chief Matt Murray
[23:21:56] <Bytram> Managing editor Karen Miller Pensiero
[23:21:58] <Bytram> Opinion editor Paul A. Gigot
[23:22:00] <Bytram> Founded July 8, 1889; 132 years ago
[23:22:02] <Bytram> Language English
[23:22:06] <Bytram> Headquarters 1211 Avenue of the Americas, New York City, U.S.
[23:22:08] <Bytram> Country United States of America
[23:22:10] <Bytram> Circulation 2,834,000 daily
[23:22:12] <Bytram> 1,005,000 print
[23:22:14] <Bytram> 1,829,000 digital-only[1] (as of August 2019)
[23:22:16] <Bytram> ISSN 0099-9660
[23:22:18] <Bytram> OCLC number 781541372
[23:22:20] <Bytram> Website wsj.com
[23:22:22] <Bytram> Media of the United States of America
[23:22:24] <Bytram> The Wall Street Journal, also known as The Journal or WSJ, is an American business-focused, English-language international daily newspaper based in New York City, with international editions also available in Chinese and Japanese.[2] The Journal, along with its Asian editions, is published six days a week by Dow Jones & Company, a division of News Corp. The newspaper is published in the broadsheet format and online. The Journal has been
[23:22:29] <Bytram> printed continuously since its inception on July 8, 1889, by Charles Dow, Edward Jones, and Charles Bergstresser.[3]
[23:22:32] <Bytram> The Wall Street Journal is one of the largest newspapers in the United States by circulation, with a circulation of about 2.834 million copies (including nearly 1,829,000 digital sales) as of August 2019,[1] compared with USA Today's 1.7 million. The Journal publishes the luxury news and lifestyle magazine WSJ, which was originally launched as a quarterly but expanded to 12 issues in 2014. An online version was launched in 1996, which has
[23:22:39] <Bytram> been accessible only to subscribers since it began.[4]
[23:22:41] <Bytram> It is regarded as a newspaper of record, particularly in terms of business and financial news.[5][6][7] The newspaper has won 37 Pulitzer Prizes (as of 2019).[8][9] The editorial pages of The Journal are typically American conservative in their position.[10][11][12] The Journal's editorial board has promoted views that are at odds with the scientific consensus on climate change, acid rain, and ozone depletion, as well as on the health
[23:22:46] <Bytram> dangers of passive smoking, pesticides, and asbestos.[13]
[23:22:48] <Bytram> END
[23:22:50] <Bytram> hardly unbiased
[23:22:53] <Runaway1956> Isn't News Corp Rupert Murdoch?
[23:23:09] <Bytram> BINGO!
[23:24:01] <chromas> oh yeah, wsj was the one who wrote articles calling pewdiepie a nazi. serious business
[23:24:31] <Runaway1956> I never thought pewdiepie was a nazi, I just thought he was a dick
[23:24:39] <chromas> and also not the sort of thing you'd expect out of a news corp outlet
[23:25:20] <Runaway1956> Has anyone made fresh coffee?
[23:25:27] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[23:25:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5604
[23:26:19] <Bytram> "Some of the Journal's former reporters claim that the paper has adopted a more conservative tone since Rupert Murdoch's purchase.[79]
[23:26:19] <Bytram> "
[23:28:13] <chromas> "some...claim" {{Weazel}}
[23:29:04] <tedious> One reporter who was fired for incompetence complained on twitter? :)
[23:30:56] <tedious> I'd like to read this article just to find out who the oligarchs are. https://www.wsj.com
[23:30:58] <systemd> ^ 03Opinion | The Oligarchs Start to Squeal
[23:31:07] <Bytram> "In October 2021, the editorial board let former President Donald Trump publish a letter in the editorial pages of the paper. The news sources described the contents of the letter as false and debunked claims about the 2020 presidential election. In response to criticism of the Journal's decision to publish the letter, the editorial board said the criticism was "cancel-culture pressure."[92] "
[23:32:05] <tedious> Have any of you gotten that paywall busting site to work?
[23:32:23] <tedious> I think it was called 12footladder or something like that.
[23:32:40] <tedious> I wonder how much a subscription actually costs.
[23:33:32] <Bytram> so, my point stands that the WSJ is hardly a paragon of truth and open-mindedness
[23:35:07] <tedious> Bytram: Which newspapers are?
[23:35:09] <Runaway1956> tedious, I can't read the full article, but the audio is playing
[23:35:46] <Runaway1956> navalny has named 35 - but the names aren't listed
[23:35:52] <Runaway1956> solaviv?
[23:36:12] <Runaway1956> Not very informative, really
[23:38:36] <Bytram> tedious: I use NoScript and uBlockOrigin -- only a select few sites have full access -- all other are blocked. I have no trouble getting to the site
[23:39:21] <Bytram> =g noscript
[23:39:22] <systemd> https://noscript.net - NoScript - JavaScript/Java/Flash blocker for a safer Firefox ...
[23:39:39] <Bytram> =g ublock0
[23:39:39] <systemd> https://github.com - uBlock/README.md at master · gorhill/uBlock · GitHub
[23:39:54] <Bytram> hmmm
[23:40:05] <FatPhil> umatrix is best
[23:42:33] <tedious> Bytram: No trouble getting to the wsj site or can you actually read the whole article without subscribing?
[23:42:51] <Runaway1956> The Fat One only says that to be argumentative - no one really thinks umatrix is best
[23:43:28] <Bytram> "See complete release notes for 1.41.8." (uBblock Origin)
[23:45:03] <Bytram> Dunno --rarely if ever go there (WSJ) now
[23:46:37] <Bytram> tedious: what link you have trouble with? I understand they are paywalled, now.
[23:46:39] <chromas> I thought you replaced noscript with µMatrix like everyone else
[23:47:00] <Bytram> why not both?
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[23:47:10] <Bytram> why not use both?
[23:47:28] <Bytram> biab
[23:51:18] <FatPhil> I've tried all 3 now, I have each of them in different browsers currently, but the only one I'm adding to new installs is uM
[23:51:37] <chromas> Good point. I also wear a hat on my hat.
[23:51:51] <FatPhil> I've had what seems like decades on noScript, I'm not an easy convert
[23:52:16] <chromas> Didn't it get retarded during the webextensions conversion?
[23:52:55] <FatPhil> I don't know if my browsers are modern enough to be past that hump
[23:54:55] <chromas> ubo has almost the features of umatrix now; if you go into expert mode, you can get a matrix, but it's not quite as fancy
[23:55:09] <Bytram> I've also used NoScript for years and years
[23:55:41] <FatPhil> Ah, OK, I'll try that out on the next install
[23:56:04] <FatPhil> some time in 2028, after the big glowy war
[23:56:27] <chromas> if I IRC correctly, he's not working on umatrix anymore because all his energons are going into making ubo great again
[23:57:00] <chromas> https://i.imgur.com
[23:57:05] <Bytram> he? who?
[23:57:09] <chromas> here's a screeny of the ubo matrix for comparison
[23:57:18] <chromas> the ubo/umatrix dev
[23:58:41] <FatPhil> that's not a matrix, that's a list
[23:59:07] <FatPhil> I like matrix, it lets me do cookies too.
[23:59:16] <Bytram> FatPhil++
[23:59:16] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 169
[23:59:27] <FatPhil> cookies were the reason I stopped updating firefox
[23:59:44] <FatPhil> and later, the reason I stopped updating palemoon after I ditched firefox.