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[06:59:33] <AzumaHazuki> sooo, um...did i read it right that aristarchus and akai/kurenai.tsubasa are the same person? what the hell
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[07:05:13] <ouranousarchus> And, shocker! Aristarchus and Azuma Hazukt are the same person! If I were you, I would abide by what you know to be true, and suspect everything else to be lies and propaganda.
[07:09:51] <AzumaHazuki> Okay what the actual fuck
[07:09:56] <AzumaHazuki> this is getting creepy
[07:12:40] <ouranousarchus> PM me, if you want actual data.
[07:12:56] <AzumaHazuki> about...?
[07:17:05] <janrinok> The same person? Controlled from the same account.
[07:17:25] <AzumaHazuki> how is that even possible? did he register them with the same email or something? LOL1
[07:17:45] <janrinok> He has made several errors
[07:18:52] <janrinok> he has other accounts but while they are doing nothing they are harmless.
[07:22:22] <ouranousarchus> With this is the madness of King Janrinock made manifest. The "errors" are his delusion. underneath this all there is one White Whale, an aristarchus, if you will. But none of it is true.
[07:25:01] <ouranousarchus> Much more likely that the D***N**** and APK are sockpuppets of Runaway, and that janrinok is protecting him.
[07:25:30] <janrinok> and you can substantiate that claim with what evidence?
[07:26:58] <ouranousarchus> Much like when the demented son of royalty starts rapingand killing prostitutes, and the Queen's government starts covering it up. Oh, wait, not so ancient, just Prince Andrew!
[07:27:40] <janrinok> who was killed?
[07:28:29] <janrinok> In fact, no matter what you may speculate with that terrible event, you have no evidence whatsoever.
[07:29:06] <ouranousarchus> 50 million American Progressives. Future tense.
[07:30:05] <ouranousarchus> Are you saying that Azuma Hazuki and aristarchus are the same person?
[07:30:30] <janrinok> You said demented son of royalty starts raping and killing prostitutes. Now you are saying it hasn't happened. And are you suggesting the Runaway is in someway connected with royalty. What on earth is going on in your head?
[07:30:50] <janrinok> I have not said that. You have said that.
[07:32:40] <ouranousarchus> And you have said that aristarchus and kurenai.tsubasa and aristarchus are the same? What the blooming fuck, janrinok? You sound as stupid a Runaway.
[07:33:29] <AzumaHazuki> this is dumb
[07:33:51] <janrinok> Azuma, would you care to share why you think this is dumb?
[07:34:24] <ouranousarchus> Runaway is dumb, and janrinok is rapidly moving down to his level.
[07:34:53] <janrinok> so you have said many times
[07:35:14] <AzumaHazuki> i mean whatever gambit is being pulled here
[07:35:17] <AzumaHazuki> this is pigeon chess
[07:35:25] <AzumaHazuki> i have no idea what in the sam hill anyone's motives are
[07:35:45] <ouranousarchus> Maybe Azuma Hazuki knows she does not sockpuppet, much like aristarchus knows when he is falsely accused? Could be.
[07:36:11] <janrinok> Nobody has said any such thing about Azuma Hazuki.
[07:36:16] <ouranousarchus> As I said PM me, if you want the data.
[07:36:30] <janrinok> was that to me?
[07:37:29] <ouranousarchus> You allegedly have the data, right, janrinok? Why would you ask for it, unless you knew that what you have is fake?
[07:38:14] <janrinok> Oh, I thought that you were going to 'clear your name'
[07:39:27] <ouranousarchus> MY name? I am a temporary nick, on an IRC channel. What is to clear? You, on the the other hand, have much to own up to.
[07:40:15] <janrinok> ah, so no change, just more muddying of the water. As usual.
[07:44:48] <ouranousarchus> Perhaps you misunderstand the nature of debate on the internet. We have lots of idiots quite sure that their racist, misogynist, and egoistic libertarian positions are absolutely correct. Then we tear them apart, with facts and reason, which unfortunately they interpret as muddying, because they are not intelligent enough to follow the logic. Just look to khallow for an example. So this is your fault. janrinok, You invited them, you encouraged
[07:50:08] <janrinok> We, you keep saying We?
[07:51:59] <janrinok> I didn't set the policy for this site - it was set in 2014. The policy MIGHT change for the first time in 2022. So I hardly feel guilty for what has happened. Saddened, disappointed yes, but not guilty.
[07:53:34] <ouranousarchus> You have taken the public lead for the admin. I think this largely has been a mistake. And, Ahab.
[07:53:48] <AzumaHazuki> meh, like i've been saying for years, allowing pure AC posting is begging for abuse
[07:53:52] <AzumaHazuki> remember the GIFT
[07:54:37] <janrinok> You deny doxxing - yet we have seen the evidence for ourselves. That does not suggest to me that you are entirely honest in your claims. We have seen over 30 sock puppet attempts over the last few months. That doesn't strike me as somebody who has the sites interests at heart.
[07:55:42] <ouranousarchus> I might not have a problem with censoring pure AC posting, if it did not allow the admins to silence anyone by banning their account. I am not sure who I am talking about here.
[07:55:42] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, you have indeed. But there was no way anyone could change that until the views of a lot of people changed too. I do not start battles I cannot win.
[07:57:43] <ouranousarchus> But, you only caught 30 of aristarchus' sockpuppet accounts? Out of, what, Runaway's claimed 1024, of which aristarchus must be near par.
[07:57:50] <janrinok> Both within the staff and on the site as a whole - people can now clearly see what has happened to the community as a result of genuine AC posting. If there is a change, AC posting will still be possible.
[07:58:43] <janrinok> If you believe that Runaway had 1024 sock puppets that I regret that I called you stupid, you are still trying to attain that level. You have been played sir!
[07:59:24] <AzumaHazuki> there will be no change. the internet, like anything else, has been ruined by a combination of the profit motive and people in general being utter shit
[08:00:59] <janrinok> There are 1000s of fake accounts. While they do nothing they are harmless. There is no point in chasing them. With your sock puppets we have done several things. We have let some of them run UNTIL you revert to type and start harassing certain members. You do not argue against what they say. You, and those you claim are with you, also attack the person. That is ad hominem. It doesn't matter that you think it is justified.
[08:01:12] <janrinok> That is driving people away.
[08:02:37] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, the world is not perfect. It wasn't perfect when we started but we didn't the problem that we have today. After divisive politics, people locked down during a pandemic, and other factor it has spiralled out of control. We are hoping to address some portion of that.
[08:04:09] <AzumaHazuki> this change has to be permanent. the world is an ugly place, it got a lot uglier in the last few years, and the worst is yet to come
[08:04:15] <AzumaHazuki> most people, most of the time, are trash
[08:04:58] <janrinok> I cannot argue with that - but if we don't do something then there will be NO site. And a few people have said that would welcome that.
[08:08:02] <ouranousarchus> Ad hominems are not a fallacy when the veracity and good faith of the person are relevant. Your recent rebuttal of Runaway made that perfectly clear. And yet, when someone else does the same, it is wrong?
[08:08:27] <janrinok> YES THEY ARE - attack the argument, not the person.
[08:08:56] <AzumaHazuki> this should have happened years ago is what i mean. face it, people suck. any open-access resource is going to get shit all over
[08:09:55] <janrinok> ouranousarchus, you are intelligent, you have a sense of humour, and last year when my wife died you gave what I accepted to sincere condolences. Not under this name of course, but nonetheless....
[08:09:59] <ouranousarchus> I am quite sure that no one's sockpupputs have "controlled" the discussion on SN, and no mod-bombing has had any such effect as well. Butt-hurt conservatives, like hemo, may think so, but that is only because they are snowflakes.
[08:10:43] <janrinok> But if you cannot win an argument (perhaps because the person has his fingers in his ears saying "nah nah nah") then you resort to personal attacks.
[08:11:00] <janrinok> You used to be above that. YOU have changed.
[08:11:10] <ouranousarchus> If that was me, those were heartfelt condolences. I just can't understand how you be such a stick in the mud on basic SoylentNews things.
[08:12:03] <ouranousarchus> I disagree with Hazuki.
[08:12:09] <janrinok> Because I am one of those doing the work - if you wanted to change that you could have joined the staff in 2014, or on many occasions since.
[08:13:00] <ouranousarchus> Aristarchus had no chance of joining staff after he was blackballed by TMB. Let's be realistic.
[08:13:40] <ouranousarchus> Seems Runaway does, from a recent post! Ha!
[08:13:46] <janrinok> So is it too late for you to change how you behave - if it is, you will stay PNG.
[08:14:37] <janrinok> We have given you numerous opportunities. You could have just slipped into one of you existing accounts and few would even be aware of what you had done.
[08:15:25] <janrinok> That is not your aim. You have become personally vindictive and determined to destroy the site. We are hardly going to welcome you with open arms. Stop being a DICK.
[08:16:57] <janrinok> I hold no animosity towards you - you are just an account when you are a member. Or an AC when you don't. But if you want to attack the site then don't be surprised when people try to defend it.
[08:17:00] <ouranousarchus> Nope, just want SN to adhere to the values of BuckFeta. I will stop annoying you when you do that.
[08:18:00] <janrinok> We are adhering to those values. AC posting will remain whatever happens. But you have to change. We are working on it - I see no evidence that you are.
[08:18:51] <janrinok> Rule 1 - don't piss off the admins. Rule 2 - Follow rule 1!
[08:20:20] <ouranousarchus> Unless the admins have gone to the Dark Side? You have failed, janrinok, and with the ban on AC posting, are about to fail further. Reconsider.
[08:21:48] <janrinok> It has NOT been decided - I haven't even analysed the comments yet, or even counted them! But the spamming and trolling increased again yesterday so I remove ALL AC access from the site, except for journals. If that is what you want then you have made your choice.
[08:22:33] <janrinok> I am not going to waste my weekend chasing every comment - I have a life even if others don't have one.
[08:23:08] <ouranousarchus> Two spam posts from apk is not significant. As nostyle said, you are overreacting.
[08:23:19] <AzumaHazuki> ari, give it up. pure AC posting is ripe for abuse
[08:24:08] <ouranousarchus> But so is the 'Zumi account, with all thie things she says that makes incels cry>
[08:24:09] <janrinok> Who was counting them ari? Why? We can now stop them or safely delete them.
[08:24:58] <janrinok> we have never banned you for anything you have said. But here you are suggesting that AzumaHazuki or Runaway should be treated differently.
[08:24:58] <ouranousarchus> Noticed the deletions. Another first for SN, other than the "accident"/
[08:26:44] <janrinok> I have already explained to staff how that might have happened. A button intended to set a moderation also has the side effect of triggering a deletion if other conditions are present. It sucks. It was never tested properly. It is a failure of design and UI.
[08:27:37] <janrinok> There is no confirmation that a deletion is actually wanted, the button still says moderate. There is now way to reverse the action.
[08:27:43] <janrinok> *no way
[08:29:23] <janrinok> However, only 2 people had that ability at the time of the accident. So it was either a genuine accident or intentional - but there is no way of knowing.
[08:30:52] <janrinok> As the action resulted in a system crash shortly afterwards I believe it was a genuine accident that corrupted the db. But that is simply my belief on what is the most likely chain of events.
[08:31:01] <ouranousarchus> Much like the accidental mod-banning of aristarchus, and the totally unintentional one of c0lo now? Hanlon's Razor gets dull, after a while.
[08:33:17] <janrinok> Both FatPhil and I have spent quite a bit of time trying to resolve c0lo's problem. I last used Perl over 20 years ago and then only on one job. Trying to get to grips with Rehash is not easy when there are some many other competing tasks to be done.
[08:35:13] <ouranousarchus> i am sure you have. Nothing to do with the fact that his politics happen to align with aristarchus? As Sulla would say, Caesar's wife must be above suspicion.
[08:35:32] <janrinok> But there is no way that c0lo's problem should be the highest priority - if there is no site it is irrelevant. I wish I could solve it but I don't know when or even if that is possible.
[08:36:43] <janrinok> I give give a toss about people's politics. They seem to matter to you, I do not care until somebody says something really silly in a journal.
[08:37:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New York City is Drowning in Packages - https://sylnt.us - drowning-in-a-sea-of-ecommerce
[08:37:44] <janrinok> Your comments - with the exception of the obvious doxxing material - are still there for anybody to look at. They can still read and comment on what you have said.
[08:38:50] <janrinok> I have to go because there ARE other tasks that I have to do on the site. Have a good day.
[08:40:05] <ouranousarchus> Welcome to the era of information warfare. IC3, or 4. Perception management is a major military objective these days, and it occurs here as much as anywhere. This is why I have suggested your problem is not "not caring" but that exaclty that lends credence and norimilization to extremist positions.
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[08:41:16] <ouranousarchus> You were recently accused of supporting white supremacism. I know that is not true, but the accusation can be true in spite of that, if you do not see the dogwhistles and memes that they use today.
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[09:24:25] <ouranousarchus> Stay PNG? A graphic file format? Oh, the pain, the Huge Manatee! To have to remain such, and never know the bliss of TIFF, or even GIF, let alone FITS!
[09:26:11] <ouranousarchus> G'day, all!
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[10:55:50] <janrinok> PNG - persona non grata. But you knew that.....
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[13:27:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EA pulls a “reverse Ubisoft,” makes some old BioWare DLC free - https://sylnt.us - keeping-it-classy
[15:02:25] <drussell> I really don't understand why you waste your time even attempting to continue to converse with Ari...
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[16:47:38] <janrinok> because he often makes mistakes and compromises things that he shouldn't. :)
[16:48:33] <janrinok> Another one today so it was time well spent.
[17:19:05] <drussell> LOL, I suppose that makes sense... :-)
[17:19:24] <drussell> Thanks again for all your hard work, by the way...
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[17:59:32] <janrinok> hi AzumaHazuki
[17:59:39] <AzumaHazuki> hello
[17:59:51] <janrinok> are you working again today?
[18:00:04] <AzumaHazuki> am off today for once. i'm going to do something positive for my health: drop down to part-time for a while and do a bunch of interviews for better jobs
[18:00:56] <janrinok> well, good luck with the interviews!
[18:18:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Even DOOM Can Now Run DOOM! - https://sylnt.us - it's-DOOM-all-the-way-down
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[22:47:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Former Bosses of Fukushima Operator Ordered to Pay $97 Billion Damages - https://sylnt.us
[23:05:21] <requerdanos> I guess people in general haven't heard of "TEPCO" except as the fukushima daiichi operators
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